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MOM isn't a sam rami film at all If you ask anybody to watch it, nobody will ever be able to tell you it's a rami movie And I question you guys saying love and thunder made money? Cost way more money to produce than Ragnarak and made 100 million less than ragnarak ? Explain your math ?
Hey Kris, at 14:15 you mentioned never liking Thor comics..broo. You’re missing out on some of the most epic stories. Do yourself a favour and go read the GOD OF THUNDER SERIES. Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic’s work trumps anything that has come out of the MCU lately. Also read the Gorr Godbutcher saga because what Taika did with Love and Thunder is just criminal.
Raimi is a genus. I didn’t love MoM when I first saw it. But every time I’ve seen it since I’ve loved it a lil more. I think that movie is a grower! Also the script wasn’t his fault. He came in to a story he had no control over. At least now he can Shepard them to be something substantial and uniquely him like his Spidey flix!
I agree with Mike’s points about Michael Waldron. The amount of times he said he wanted to do something in MOM because no one had done it yet during the “Assemble making of Dr. Strange 2” special was concerning.
A Gareth Edwards Thor movie sounds fantastic to me. And Speaking of ambiguity and time travel: Imagine if Dark's creators hadn't bothered to show what was actually behind everything happening, and said it was ultimately up to viewers to speculate. Imagine the outcry of rage?
I think Filoni is covering because Lucasfilm is scared to take a hard stance on anything right now. Basically I think he’s lying either because he’s worried about blowback or because there are future story elements that require a certain level of ambiguity around Ahsoka’s journey in episode 5. But the final scene of the series lets us know that Ahsoka’s journey in episode 5 was real, it was not a dream. Based on everything we’ve seen through Filoni’s storytelling, Ahsoka makes her way into the World Between Worlds and there she meets with her former master, a redeemed Anakin Skywalker. And he does that because Ahsoka is at a critical juncture and as seen in the OT, when Luke is having these critical moments, Obi-Wan shows up to provide some guidance to help Luke get over that obstacle. Now Anakin being Anakin, he’s not just going to appear, he’s going to yank Ahsoka into a place where he can interact with her in a more visceral way. Cause it’s Anakin and he’s anything but traditional.
It's all subjective. For me it worked on every level. It's everything I want it out of a Sam Raimi Doctor strange movie. But I am a massive Raimi fan. And as far as him and doing superhero movies in my opinion he still has one of the best ones out there in Spider-Man 2.
@@mykidbanana1417 I loved the few horror elements but the overall movie was a mess. It's too bad because WandaVision was so good (except for the majority of the last episode). I wanted to love this movie but it has too many issues to be considered great. Good but flawed.
On this we’ll have to disagree. They should’ve brought Scott Derrickson back for the sequel. Sorry folks, but Wanda’s descent into murderous madness made absolutely no sense. It was an impossible sell after seeing Wandavision. DSMOM was the first indication that phase 4 was in serious trouble. Phase 5 only confirmed it.
@@mnoir7257 Same here, I really wanted to enjoy MOM. I thought Dr Strange was one of the most original MCU “origin” films, which actually stoked my interest in the Infinity Saga. I’m also a huge fan of Sam Raimi, due primarily to Army of Darkness being a genuine masterpiece without equal. That said, Raimi frequently gets “stuck” on certain tangents? The quality of Raimi will often vasillate between stellar and meh. Raimi has directed phenomenal films like his Evil Dead series, but has also directed some questionable films, like Darkman or Oz? Consider just his Spider Man films? SM and SM 2 were excellent, then came SM 3, and everyone just kind of shrugged and wondered WTF happened? (Raimi had to rewrite his script to cram Venom into his film, that’s what.) So, Raimi has a flawed history despite creating some truly incredible films. Considering how the MCU functions nowadays, it’s just not a good fit for an independent film maker like Raimi. I’m certain he deferred to Fiege on some of the elements of MOM, and those elements were once again shoe horned into Raimi’s film. I fully anticipate that’s how MCU films will continue to be made for the foreseeable future. Raimi will never create his best work while working for Marvel. The deck will always remain stacked against him.
I do think Aquaman 2 will do well because of the holiday. People are looking for anything to go do with the kids and family and its either that or Wonka.
Raimi is not the director Avengers needs right now to get all the fans back on board, but selfishly, as a Raimi fan, I don't care about that and want him to do it. I miss the camp and earnestness he brings to superhero movies and would love an Avengers film with his style.
I love Filoni but I agree so much with Kristian here. Filoni is definitely losing track that not everyone saw the animated shows, and secondly, all these grand ideas of what it represents don’t mean jack if there isn’t some clarity. It reminds me of when he did the breakdown of dual of the fates and how it represented all these different thematic elements for anakin and the fate of the force. It was very poetic…but exactly none of that was conveyed in the film, so I don’t care. Ideas mean Jack without proper execution.
First it's not official so we are jumping the gun a bit aren't we? Second I personally do not have a problem with rami or his style so if he is tapped to do it I'm okay with it. I liked the 2nd doctor strange movie and everyone seems to forget that it came close to a billion dollars in ticket sales.
I think it’s important to “jump the gun” so that the decision makers see that the fan base, the folks who pay to keep the lights on, aren’t feeling it.
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I couldn’t say no, I’d gladly watch a raimi marvel film a few times, as I have before. It’s an unprecedented thing for Raimi at a important time. I’m on board but in a frightened for the movie sort of way.
I didn’t mind the Raimi vibe to MOM, but the script was definitely an issue. If Raimi purposefully chose to not pay attention to WandaVision, then that’s on him, but it’s just hard to tell how much directors get a say in Marvel projects.
Probably not much, Raimi has no writing credit. This wasn’t like Thor Love And Thunder where we can indeed blame Taika Waititi because he actually (co)wrote it.
@@mabusestestament Yeah, I got the sense it was more Michael Waldron, but who knows. Regardless, I didn't mind the Raimi horror elements, it was how under developed everyone's arc was in the film.
Hey Kristian you may know already or may not . Your audio in podcasts are being duplicated within one show. Like this episode you guys talked about Star Wars topic twice in audio format podcast and I missed the last 10-15 mins of the show because it just ended. So I had to finish it here. Just wanted to let you know.
I'm not what you call a Rami head but I did love Multiverse of Madness and I'm in love with Elizabeth Olsen so I might be a bit biased, but I honestly did love the movie
The choice of Sam Raimi being at the helm for these Avengers movies seems like this whole Multiverse Saga was just to pay tribute and farewell to actors and heroes over the last 20 plus years, who better for that send off than Sam Raimi who introduced the world to two great Spider-man movies and was hand tied on the third. I'm not that big fan of the Doctor Strange 2, it didn't live up to the hype for me, but there were still moments I enjoyed. So we'll see how these Avengers movies come together.
I’ll go on Sam R for Kang Dynasty make Strange, Loki and Thor the leads. Secret Wars there is quite a few different character things I’d like to see explored but I think there is gonna be some true multiverse madness there
Nooooo! RAIMI?! I know Raimi is a legend, and deservedly so. But - How could they let “I didn’t watch WandaVision” direct another Marvel movie?!? I was so annoyed with what they did to Scarlet Witch in MoM - a huge waste of a really cool comic character and a waste of Lizzie Olson’s prior work to build that character in the MCU If this is real, I am very nervous
Raimi is a great director. If he wants to make another Marvel movie, cool. I'd just rather see him make a movie he wants to make rather than being hired for a big project just because they lost their previous director. Ryan Coogler would be my top choice to direct the next two Avengers movies. He has a great track record, and we aren't getting Black Panther 3 anytime soon, so why not? As long as he gets enough creative control over it and it isn't just a work for hire job.
Kristian, I love ya but I think you’re totally wrong about Disney not calling the shots on the studios they own. Remember Brave? Remember Wreck It Ralph? Brave is listed as a Pixar film while Wreck It Ralph is listed as a Disney film. That’s interesting considering Ralph uses a Pixar story formula and Brave uses the quintessential generic Disney formula. So why are they listed backwards like that? Because Disney the studio needed and wanted a win for themselves so they swapped movies with Pixar. It’s speculation but it’s also painfully clear. Aside from that, Disney loves making money on merch. Merch sales are often times much larger than ticket sales. Star Wars fans still collect and buy merch for films they hated. That’s why every single movie under every single studio that Disney owns introduces shiny new characters and costumes in every single release. Iron man wears a different suite in every single movie because that’s a new toy. In fact, every single hero in all mcu films has a new suit in every new film. Groot? Don’t get me started on Groot. There was a whole ass new Groot in every movie even though Groot doesn’t traditionally take forever to grow back like that in the comics. 100% Disney influence. They want new toys and tees and mugs and everything you can think of for every single new movie they drop. You’re nuts if you think Disney is just out here leaving billions of potential dollars to some creative nerds who just want to fulfill their little nerdy childhood dreams and make their little sweaty nerdy passion projects. I can’t believe you actually think this MEGA corporation is leaving it up to the studios. lol (actually lol’ing btw. I know you hate lol’s) So Lucas Film (who knew exactly what sequel movies George Lucas wanted to make) said “F George!” once he signed over his baby?? Cmon dude. Again, all love. But you’re wrong here.
@@TheKristianHarloff If that’s coming from the horse’s mouth, that sounds like a play on semantics. There’s a visible business formula across all properties from the MCU to Star Wars to Pixar that aren’t as clear under other umbrella corporation studios. The formula is so apparent that if somebody from that actual studio says they don’t have any say in creative, it just sounds akin to gaslighting. “No, what you’re seeing isn’t what you’re seeing. You just want to see that so you make it a reality.” But respect to you and your view. I personally don’t believe it for a second but respect. ✊🏿 🙏🏿🖖🏿
I would be very excited to see what Sam Raimi can do with Kang wrecking Avengers teams across the multiverse, definitely loved when Wanda fought the Illuminati. I am admittedly a huge Raimi fan though.
*Doctor* *Doom* I'm not into reading comics. I owned a few back in the early 90s when X-Men was all the rage for Marvel fans but reading comics has never been my thing. So I was playing Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 on my PS Vita slim yesterday trying to beat Galactus at the end and I came to realize Doctor Doom is such a BADASS!!! Then I watched videos and how powerful Doctor Doom is on RUclips. I'm starting to want both Kang and DD for The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Let's not lose either of them. Maybe have Doctor Doom defeat Kang in Avengers 5 before being the big baddie in Avengers 6? MCU needs to get Doctor Doom right if Fantastic Four comes out. Cillian Murphy is a popular choice to portray DD but I'll be happy if it's Andrew Lincoln, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Bill Skargard, or Josh Hartnett. Victor von Doom supposedly stands at 6'2 and then 6'7 when armored similar to Darth Vader (the late David Prowse stood at 6'6). I read MCU Doctor Doom is a descendant of the Conquistadors who tussled with Namor. They're looking at *Javier* *Bardem* for the role. Latvia will be reimagined as a Mediterranean country. I'm actually okay with that if Pedro Pascal is Reed Richards. Latino men are excellent actors. Doctor Doom will be wearing a mask anyway, so it doesn't matter much what he looks like once he starts doing some badass shit. He just needs to be a complicated character with depth. He needs to be intelligent and have swagger like Vader when being a villain. I've seen videos comparing Doctor Doom vs. Kang, and Doom always won out in most categories. Kang simply isn't interesting enough from a narrative perspective. Doom is the more interesting character. Doctor Doom has the potential to be the greatest MCU villain of all-time up there with Loki, Thanos, and Hela. Those three are the only villains I found memorable. Doom needs to be in more than two movies. Then we can shift to Galactus after the heroes deal with Doom.
I tried looking into why Wish cost $200 million which was their most expensive animated movie ever. I couldn't find anything specifically said about why this budget was so much higher, but based on some things I read I have a guess. They started developing the movie in 2018. So they had to have been running full steam ahead in 2020. I have to think that a lot of that was paying for their animators to work remotely over the pandemic. Computers are expensive and the kind of computers you need at home for animators to be able to work remotely would probably be something like $10-20 grand a piece. Then you need connectivity to the office and then on top of that, you have the normal cost to render everything that every animated movie has. So it's a lot. Probably the only voice actor demanding a decent salary was Chris Pine. So I don't think it was talent. I'd be really interested to see if anyone has been able to break the budget down. Maybe something will come out from some financial disclosure they have to do as a publicly traded company.
I liked how Multiverse of Madness used its cameos way better than the Flash did. But regardless I do think it would be best if the same director did both movies.
While I run a corporate IT department, I don't interact much with our marketing and advertising folks BUT the computers and servers we give them to process these 4k images are super expensive
Ngl that's part of the reason why i liked RJ's the last jedi so much. He essentially tore everything down to strip away the expectations. Taika saying he wants to get more of that new hope feel is understandable but sad to hear. Stars wars cant get away from the old guard or else fans boo it.
There is a video making the rounds with Elizabeth Olsen, mentioning how the people that wrote MOM didn't watch WandaVision and that she did the same thing twice in both projects.
I didn't have much of a problem with Dr. Strange 2, so I'm okay with Sam Raimi doing the next two Avengers movies if he gets the job. However, he needs to play ball with what Marvel has planned for the overall story arc and he needs to make sure he and the writers have seen previous movies and shows so there's consistency. But I also share Mike's concerns that Marvel isn't even sure what's gonna become of those movies depending on Jonathan Majors' trial. It might not even be The Kang Dynasty by the time we see them. Gareth Edwards doing Thor 5 sounds pretty cool, though. I'd love to see what he could do with it. As for Nolan's comments about the state of blockbusters, I absolutely agree. We need more variety, which I think we do get for the most part, but the problem is that when something is original, it's often not marketed as well and that's a huge problem in itself. And I think theaters are gonna be very disappointed when Aquaman 2 comes out. The early box office tracking isn't looking too good. However, it won't have any major competition other than Wonka and if the reviews are good, it might stand a chance. This is a wait-and-see type of situation. I hope it does well. I'll definitely be seeing it. I love the first one.
I don’t disagree with your problems with Filoni, but when I’m weighing the pros and cons, I still think this is a good decision overall. I do hope he can better realize that not everyone has seen CW and Rebels and that his live-action work continues to improve. But I love his understanding of Star Wars more than anyone else at Lucasfilm. After the Sequel Trilogy era, I’m glad that there’s someone who respects Lucas at the helm of the creative now.
I'm a huge Raimihead, Spider-Man 2 is still my favorite superhero movie of all time. I thought Multiverse of Madness felt like a rushed out mess. Other than a few scenes it didn't feel like a Raimi movie at all to me. I'm much more worried about the writer of the next 2 Avengers movies though. If the script is good, I trust that Raimi will make it good.
So Kristian to your point about the budgets on movies now a days. I just got back from seeing Godzilla Minus One, and it's the best Godzilla movie in the past decade! I've really enjoyed the Legendary movies but this is by far the best movie that's been made with Godzilla recently. Additionally it looks incredible, and only cost $15M to make! Pretty sure Godzilla vs Kong was like 400M and not that it didn't look pretty...l and this movie only had one monster to animate... but they know how to use their budget wisely!
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While I would like to do so, I think it's hard to judge Raimi's qualifications based on Dr. Strange solely due to the Marvel-mandated reshoots and cut scenes. I would need a director's cut in order for that to happen. Original cut was at 2 hours and 40 minutes, which then became 2 hours and 6 minutes.
Lowering the budget on future MCU releases may backfire: if the audience feels that the movie looks like it has a lower budget they’ll say to themselves “THIS LOOKS LIKE A DISNEY PLUS THING so I’ll wait a few months and watch it at home!”
I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I think Far From Home is the best Spider-Man movie. It felt like I was watching the FOX Spider-Man Cartoon in live action. Just my opinion, I know most do not share my thoughts on this which is ok. Good stuff Mr. Harloff.
I’ve been thinking the duo who directed and wrote the last 2 episodes of Loki should do avengers. They have feature experience - even some with avengers cast - and clearly understand story structure. I think they’d bring a fresh take and make for an enjoyable film
The team behind Loki should handle Kang Dynasty. Kang was done so well there and then got completely shat on in Quantumania. Going back to the end of Season 1 and getting more of He Who Remains was done so well.
Diane dying is like a canon event for Rick, his version of uncle Ben. Also side point maybe simple Rick was so happy because they kidnapped him when Diane was still alive.
I understand Filonis comments, I watched that episode and had never heard of the world between worlds until 3 weeks later, and all I thought watching it was "oh this is cool like a force afterlife type thing its like ghosts of Christmas past" I didn't have to know all this extra stuff to get through that series. Now I'm not saying Filoni is untouchable, i did have issues like i didn't even realize that Ezra was a Jedi til half way through the season but these specific comments I can understand.
Not so hot take (and I’ve been saying this for the past 5-6 years) but now with all the spending, losing money, breaking even, and some of the films/tv shows not being as well received by Disney. I really do believe if Disney sells off ESPN, ABC, FX, Freeform, etc. They’re going to sell and be acquired by Apple. It’ll obviously benefit them financially and as a subsidiary they’ll keep the Disney branding for marketing purposes.
I'm hoping he directs Spider-Man 4. But I'd love to see him direct a trilogy of movies. Based off the Marvel comic Rom Spaceknight from Sept 79-Mov 85.
If I am Sony (and I am after a nice billion dollars), I tap Raimi on the shoulder and ask him if he would be interested in doing a Spider-Man 4 film. I tell him that if the movie does well, we will happily bankroll any kind of lower mid budget movie (20-40 millio range) that he wants to make after (within reason). The leg work has already been done, fans responded incredibly well to Now Way Home and Spider-Man is one of the only superhero characters who always has success at the box office. I also like the idea of keeping Holland's spiderman on ice for a while in order to give him space to do his own thing and make a return more exciting
I disagree Kristian, Coogler and Watts would be terrible picks. Both would make generic movies, and Coogler has ruined legacy characters before so I'd never trust. Jon Watts did NWH, I don't want these films to be a repeat of that movie tonally.
I love the Spider-man movies, and Dr Strange was great too. Just wish the fight with the Illuminati lasted more than 1 minute. I was pretty surprised the movie didnt do that well.
Great point about the China box office. We forget the other phases had China. So, how do we know if the main audience doesn't like Raimi. As well, Guardians made as much as Raimi I believe. Most love Gunn.
@@FintoEs111 I checked, you are correct. Amazing that this was without China. These numbers are what makes Raimi a choice to disney. Money talks. I am not sure if this movie was perceived bad, clearly there was repeat viewership if it made this much money.
@@aprilnewell5434 the funny thing about this movie is that it seems like there was not an “in between” reaction. Some people loved it, some others hated it… Sure, it’s not the ideal scenario for an Avengers movie, but maybe without 33 rewrites during production they can produce something more “universally loved” like Raimi’s Spider-Man movies.
Hey love what u guys do but your a little off about the writer of doctor strange not watching Wanda vision and raimi being brought in late. On the script notes podcast, he talks about the process of that movie. He studied Wanda vision and the rest of the mcu (I wouldn’t blame you for thinking otherwise based on the jump in character for Wanda). the guy made 200 revisions during production. Marvels parliament is to blame for that movie, they were ordering rewrites and taking power away from raimi and waldren
No. NO. I respect that the dude did very much for comic book movies with his Spider-Man movies but damn. I don’t want him near an Avengers movie. Edwards would be perfect. The Creator and Rogue One are proof that he can handle heavy hitting stakes. Raimis style feels like something out of CW.
Also I hope more things like Barbenheimer happen, I'm 23 that was the first time I felt like there was something like that as far as like two movies unofficially but also sort of officially collabing? Like I hope more things like that happen, theater chains need to be in tune with social media and trends like that 100% to help keep the business going.
Jesus Mike, animation is one of the hardest mediums to work with. When making such a comment of, "HOW!? HOW!?" Maybe learn that it's one of the most difficult mediums in the world to make and requires incredible talent.
Mike is right about the animated movie Wish. "How did that cost 200 million?" Here are couple of animated movies that cost less, and looked better than Wish. 1.Trolls Band Together budget $95 million. 2.The Super Mario Bros. Movie $100 million. 3.Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Budget $100-150 million. I disagree with your argument Kristian that animation cost a lot money. It can, but also can cost less as 3 examples i just mentioned above, depends just how wisely are you spending that budget.
@@johansvensson833 Yeah especially for this years blockbusters. 340 million for Fast X. Underperformed at the box office. Even 291 million Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1 underperformed which was shocking for me since last year Top Gun 2 made a billion.
Kristian, ya gotta know that these studios are making huge budget films on purpose for very specific non-creative reasons. I mean at this point, you must know that these are not creative decisions. These are corporate decisions. They don’t want a 50 to 100 million dollar profit on a $125 million dollar film. They want 1 to 2 billion in profit on a film. They want their shareholders to think they’re about to make billions on films any given year. Then what about the tax cuts and all this other jargon we as fans don’t pay attention to? How much are they making on merch? Studios have canceled super popular animated series’ because they weren’t selling enough toys for girls. They could give a shyt about all the insane fan love. I need your glorious brain to look into this very REAL thing and report on it to us from your perspective. Please. Instead of shouting at the screen telling studios to make smaller budget films. THEY AIN’T LISTENING! 🖖🏿🙏🏿❤️✊🏿
Most are making smaller budget films. The MCU has clout and the money to make a 150 mil movie. They've hit soooo much more than they have missed. Does anyone really think their next movie Deadpool is going to do less than 750 mil at the box office alone? I don't. Guardians did really well, so did MOM. Among other marvel movies. They are turning a profit on basically every movie. But outside of the MCU who is cranking out projects that cost north of 100 mil constantly?
I think the Feige knew phase 4 was kind of a bust when they had to shift around release dates knowing damn well Sony wouldn’t shift No Way Home past December. Multiverse of madness was supposed to come out before NWH which makes much more sense. They basically had to rewrite the movie to accommodate for Sony’s movie. So Feige brining in Rami for the new version of MoM felt like him going well the story we wanted to till is out the window, let me at least let Sam come in and do his thing to make this movie at least some what interesting. The main problem with MoM in my opinion is the script which Rami had next to nothing to do with. Rami was heavily involved in the first 2 Spider-Man scripts and look how those movies turned out. There’s no doubt about it, it’s a risk to let Rami do 4 and 5 but Feige knows how important these movies are for his legacy let alone the mcu. I don’t think he’d bring him in if Sam didn’t convey that he’s willing to play ball.
Does lot of it fall on Writers? Seem everyone blaming directors because movies not doing well. If you pass instructions you going do what it says right? Raimi makes great visuals but they need GOOD WRITERS and someone to make sure films stay focus on on MCU connections but not throw in random characters that have nothing to do with the individual film.
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Sam Raimi was chosen to do Spiderman to layer in dark elements to to lead up to Venom. The studio trumped his vision and it didn't happen.
MOM isn't a sam rami film at all
If you ask anybody to watch it, nobody will ever be able to tell you it's a rami movie
And I question you guys saying love and thunder made money?
Cost way more money to produce than Ragnarak and made 100 million less than ragnarak ?
Explain your math ?
Hey Kris, at 14:15 you mentioned never liking Thor comics..broo. You’re missing out on some of the most epic stories. Do yourself a favour and go read the GOD OF THUNDER SERIES. Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic’s work trumps anything that has come out of the MCU lately. Also read the Gorr Godbutcher saga because what Taika did with Love and Thunder is just criminal.
Raimi is a genus. I didn’t love MoM when I first saw it.
But every time I’ve seen it since I’ve loved it a lil more.
I think that movie is a grower!
Also the script wasn’t his fault. He came in to a story he had no control over. At least now he can Shepard them to be something substantial and uniquely him like his Spidey flix!
Its a grower not a shower😂😂
@@edocursedmark2693damn you sir! You beat me to the punch! 😂
@@JustinLatham 😂😂😂😂
Completely agreed! It's a great film I don't understand why people didn't like it.
The best ones are the ones that people initially think is a shower, but then turns out to be a grower afterall 👍
I agree with Mike’s points about Michael Waldron.
The amount of times he said he wanted to do something in MOM because no one had done it yet during the “Assemble making of Dr. Strange 2” special was concerning.
A Gareth Edwards Thor movie sounds fantastic to me. And Speaking of ambiguity and time travel: Imagine if Dark's creators hadn't bothered to show what was actually behind everything happening, and said it was ultimately up to viewers to speculate.
Imagine the outcry of rage?
I think Filoni is covering because Lucasfilm is scared to take a hard stance on anything right now. Basically I think he’s lying either because he’s worried about blowback or because there are future story elements that require a certain level of ambiguity around Ahsoka’s journey in episode 5. But the final scene of the series lets us know that Ahsoka’s journey in episode 5 was real, it was not a dream.
Based on everything we’ve seen through Filoni’s storytelling, Ahsoka makes her way into the World Between Worlds and there she meets with her former master, a redeemed Anakin Skywalker. And he does that because Ahsoka is at a critical juncture and as seen in the OT, when Luke is having these critical moments, Obi-Wan shows up to provide some guidance to help Luke get over that obstacle. Now Anakin being Anakin, he’s not just going to appear, he’s going to yank Ahsoka into a place where he can interact with her in a more visceral way. Cause it’s Anakin and he’s anything but traditional.
Fair enough
Multiverse of madness is one of the few great films that came out of phase 4 marvel. Give me Sam Raimi all day please.
That movie is far from from great. Has some great moments but that movie as a whole is more bad than good.
It's all subjective. For me it worked on every level. It's everything I want it out of a Sam Raimi Doctor strange movie. But I am a massive Raimi fan. And as far as him and doing superhero movies in my opinion he still has one of the best ones out there in Spider-Man 2.
@@mykidbanana1417 I loved the few horror elements but the overall movie was a mess. It's too bad because WandaVision was so good (except for the majority of the last episode). I wanted to love this movie but it has too many issues to be considered great. Good but flawed.
On this we’ll have to disagree. They should’ve brought Scott Derrickson back for the sequel. Sorry folks, but Wanda’s descent into murderous madness made absolutely no sense. It was an impossible sell after seeing Wandavision. DSMOM was the first indication that phase 4 was in serious trouble. Phase 5 only confirmed it.
@@mnoir7257 Same here, I really wanted to enjoy MOM. I thought Dr Strange was one of the most original MCU “origin” films, which actually stoked my interest in the Infinity Saga. I’m also a huge fan of Sam Raimi, due primarily to Army of Darkness being a genuine masterpiece without equal.
That said, Raimi frequently gets “stuck” on certain tangents? The quality of Raimi will often vasillate between stellar and meh. Raimi has directed phenomenal films like his Evil Dead series, but has also directed some questionable films, like Darkman or Oz? Consider just his Spider Man films? SM and SM 2 were excellent, then came SM 3, and everyone just kind of shrugged and wondered WTF happened? (Raimi had to rewrite his script to cram Venom into his film, that’s what.)
So, Raimi has a flawed history despite creating some truly incredible films. Considering how the MCU functions nowadays, it’s just not a good fit for an independent film maker like Raimi. I’m certain he deferred to Fiege on some of the elements of MOM, and those elements were once again shoe horned into Raimi’s film. I fully anticipate that’s how MCU films will continue to be made for the foreseeable future. Raimi will never create his best work while working for Marvel. The deck will always remain stacked against him.
I would be excited if Raimi was announced as the director for the next Avengers movie. He hasn’t done a super hero’s movie that I haven’t liked yet
I do think Aquaman 2 will do well because of the holiday. People are looking for anything to go do with the kids and family and its either that or Wonka.
Raimi is not the director Avengers needs right now to get all the fans back on board, but selfishly, as a Raimi fan, I don't care about that and want him to do it. I miss the camp and earnestness he brings to superhero movies and would love an Avengers film with his style.
True that. He has the potential to make the best avengers film if he's paired with an excellent writer.
I love Filoni but I agree so much with Kristian here. Filoni is definitely losing track that not everyone saw the animated shows, and secondly, all these grand ideas of what it represents don’t mean jack if there isn’t some clarity.
It reminds me of when he did the breakdown of dual of the fates and how it represented all these different thematic elements for anakin and the fate of the force. It was very poetic…but exactly none of that was conveyed in the film, so I don’t care.
Ideas mean Jack without proper execution.
First it's not official so we are jumping the gun a bit aren't we? Second I personally do not have a problem with rami or his style so if he is tapped to do it I'm okay with it. I liked the 2nd doctor strange movie and everyone seems to forget that it came close to a billion dollars in ticket sales.
I think it’s important to “jump the gun” so that the decision makers see that the fan base, the folks who pay to keep the lights on, aren’t feeling it.
They need to bring back the Russo Brothers. They know the material and didn't go wrong with Infinity war and end game.
Yeah for big movies like this, I only trust those two.
No they did 4 movies move on
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107,000 subscribers!! What a an accomplishment. So glad you left Collider!
Your filoni mystery box complaint is totally legit it’s what I disliked the most about Ashoka
Loveeeee spiderman 2. Recently watched raimi trilogy and that fight at the end of spiderman 1 with green goblin is top ten superhero fights for me.
That fight is so underrated
I couldn’t say no, I’d gladly watch a raimi marvel film a few times, as I have before. It’s an unprecedented thing for Raimi at a important time. I’m on board but in a frightened for the movie sort of way.
I didn’t mind the Raimi vibe to MOM, but the script was definitely an issue. If Raimi purposefully chose to not pay attention to WandaVision, then that’s on him, but it’s just hard to tell how much directors get a say in Marvel projects.
Probably not much, Raimi has no writing credit. This wasn’t like Thor Love And Thunder where we can indeed blame Taika Waititi because he actually (co)wrote it.
@@mabusestestament Yeah, I got the sense it was more Michael Waldron, but who knows. Regardless, I didn't mind the Raimi horror elements, it was how under developed everyone's arc was in the film.
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Yeah it was a bit of a mess.
Hey Kristian you may know already or may not . Your audio in podcasts are being duplicated within one show. Like this episode you guys talked about Star Wars topic twice in audio format podcast and I missed the last 10-15 mins of the show because it just ended. So I had to finish it here. Just wanted to let you know.
They gotta bring back The Russos surely. I mean they said how many times they’d love to do Secret Wars - it’s a no brainer !
they get unlimited money from netflix(same as znyder) to do what ever they want i would not leave
I'm not what you call a Rami head but I did love Multiverse of Madness and I'm in love with Elizabeth Olsen so I might be a bit biased, but I honestly did love the movie
The choice of Sam Raimi being at the helm for these Avengers movies seems like this whole Multiverse Saga was just to pay tribute and farewell to actors and heroes over the last 20 plus years, who better for that send off than Sam Raimi who introduced the world to two great Spider-man movies and was hand tied on the third. I'm not that big fan of the Doctor Strange 2, it didn't live up to the hype for me, but there were still moments I enjoyed. So we'll see how these Avengers movies come together.
I’ll go on Sam R for Kang Dynasty make Strange, Loki and Thor the leads. Secret Wars there is quite a few different character things I’d like to see explored but I think there is gonna be some true multiverse madness there
I wish Raimi would make more Darkman movies
Nooooo! RAIMI?!
I know Raimi is a legend, and deservedly so. But - How could they let “I didn’t watch WandaVision” direct another Marvel movie?!? I was so annoyed with what they did to Scarlet Witch in MoM - a huge waste of a really cool comic character and a waste of Lizzie Olson’s prior work to build that character in the MCU
If this is real, I am very nervous
Love you guys....well, Jimmy Chicks not so much, but I disagree with you 100% on Filoni. I have complete trust in him!
Raimi is a great director. If he wants to make another Marvel movie, cool. I'd just rather see him make a movie he wants to make rather than being hired for a big project just because they lost their previous director. Ryan Coogler would be my top choice to direct the next two Avengers movies. He has a great track record, and we aren't getting Black Panther 3 anytime soon, so why not? As long as he gets enough creative control over it and it isn't just a work for hire job.
I’m not a Raimi fan but loved Multiverse of Madness.
Dr Strange 2 did make alot of money though but i do like Watts and No way Home was great
Kristian, I love ya but I think you’re totally wrong about Disney not calling the shots on the studios they own.
Remember Brave? Remember Wreck It Ralph? Brave is listed as a Pixar film while Wreck It Ralph is listed as a Disney film. That’s interesting considering Ralph uses a Pixar story formula and Brave uses the quintessential generic Disney formula. So why are they listed backwards like that? Because Disney the studio needed and wanted a win for themselves so they swapped movies with Pixar. It’s speculation but it’s also painfully clear.
Aside from that, Disney loves making money on merch. Merch sales are often times much larger than ticket sales. Star Wars fans still collect and buy merch for films they hated. That’s why every single movie under every single studio that Disney owns introduces shiny new characters and costumes in every single release. Iron man wears a different suite in every single movie because that’s a new toy. In fact, every single hero in all mcu films has a new suit in every new film. Groot? Don’t get me started on Groot. There was a whole ass new Groot in every movie even though Groot doesn’t traditionally take forever to grow back like that in the comics. 100% Disney influence.
They want new toys and tees and mugs and everything you can think of for every single new movie they drop.
You’re nuts if you think Disney is just out here leaving billions of potential dollars to some creative nerds who just want to fulfill their little nerdy childhood dreams and make their little sweaty nerdy passion projects.
I can’t believe you actually think this MEGA corporation is leaving it up to the studios. lol (actually lol’ing btw. I know you hate lol’s) So Lucas Film (who knew exactly what sequel movies George Lucas wanted to make) said “F George!” once he signed over his baby?? Cmon dude. Again, all love. But you’re wrong here.
I am not, I have talked to people form certain companies "They don't tell us what to do creatively."
@@TheKristianHarloff If that’s coming from the horse’s mouth, that sounds like a play on semantics. There’s a visible business formula across all properties from the MCU to Star Wars to Pixar that aren’t as clear under other umbrella corporation studios. The formula is so apparent that if somebody from that actual studio says they don’t have any say in creative, it just sounds akin to gaslighting. “No, what you’re seeing isn’t what you’re seeing. You just want to see that so you make it a reality.” But respect to you and your view. I personally don’t believe it for a second but respect. ✊🏿 🙏🏿🖖🏿
I would be very excited to see what Sam Raimi can do with Kang wrecking Avengers teams across the multiverse, definitely loved when Wanda fought the Illuminati. I am admittedly a huge Raimi fan though.
What's wrong with Taika taking the money? Good for him for being honest.
*Doctor* *Doom*
I'm not into reading comics. I owned a few back in the early 90s when X-Men was all the rage for Marvel fans but reading comics has never been my thing. So I was playing Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 on my PS Vita slim yesterday trying to beat Galactus at the end and I came to realize Doctor Doom is such a BADASS!!!
Then I watched videos and how powerful Doctor Doom is on RUclips. I'm starting to want both Kang and DD for The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Let's not lose either of them. Maybe have Doctor Doom defeat Kang in Avengers 5 before being the big baddie in Avengers 6? MCU needs to get Doctor Doom right if Fantastic Four comes out.
Cillian Murphy is a popular choice to portray DD but I'll be happy if it's Andrew Lincoln, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Bill Skargard, or Josh Hartnett. Victor von Doom supposedly stands at 6'2 and then 6'7 when armored similar to Darth Vader (the late David Prowse stood at 6'6).
I read MCU Doctor Doom is a descendant of the Conquistadors who tussled with Namor. They're looking at *Javier* *Bardem* for the role. Latvia will be reimagined as a Mediterranean country. I'm actually okay with that if Pedro Pascal is Reed Richards. Latino men are excellent actors.
Doctor Doom will be wearing a mask anyway, so it doesn't matter much what he looks like once he starts doing some badass shit. He just needs to be a complicated character with depth. He needs to be intelligent and have swagger like Vader when being a villain.
I've seen videos comparing Doctor Doom vs. Kang, and Doom always won out in most categories. Kang simply isn't interesting enough from a narrative perspective. Doom is the more interesting character.
Doctor Doom has the potential to be the greatest MCU villain of all-time up there with Loki, Thanos, and Hela. Those three are the only villains I found memorable. Doom needs to be in more than two movies. Then we can shift to Galactus after the heroes deal with Doom.
I tried looking into why Wish cost $200 million which was their most expensive animated movie ever. I couldn't find anything specifically said about why this budget was so much higher, but based on some things I read I have a guess. They started developing the movie in 2018. So they had to have been running full steam ahead in 2020. I have to think that a lot of that was paying for their animators to work remotely over the pandemic. Computers are expensive and the kind of computers you need at home for animators to be able to work remotely would probably be something like $10-20 grand a piece. Then you need connectivity to the office and then on top of that, you have the normal cost to render everything that every animated movie has. So it's a lot. Probably the only voice actor demanding a decent salary was Chris Pine. So I don't think it was talent. I'd be really interested to see if anyone has been able to break the budget down. Maybe something will come out from some financial disclosure they have to do as a publicly traded company.
I liked how Multiverse of Madness used its cameos way better than the Flash did. But regardless I do think it would be best if the same director did both movies.
Spider-Man 2 is one of the greatest Superhero Movies ever made. Raimi can handle it, just needs a good script. More worried about Waldren
Waldron proved his worth with Loki Sn 1 and 2, MoM had SO many rewrites on set, i dont place much of the clunkyness of the movie on him.
I don't do Twitter but sending Get Well vibes your way, Steph!❤
If anyone should direct Kang Dynasty it should be Watts or Shakman. & Jon Favreau should direct Secret Wars..
While I run a corporate IT department, I don't interact much with our marketing and advertising folks BUT the computers and servers we give them to process these 4k images are super expensive
Ngl that's part of the reason why i liked RJ's the last jedi so much. He essentially tore everything down to strip away the expectations. Taika saying he wants to get more of that new hope feel is understandable but sad to hear. Stars wars cant get away from the old guard or else fans boo it.
There is a video making the rounds with Elizabeth Olsen, mentioning how the people that wrote MOM didn't watch WandaVision and that she did the same thing twice in both projects.
I didn't have much of a problem with Dr. Strange 2, so I'm okay with Sam Raimi doing the next two Avengers movies if he gets the job. However, he needs to play ball with what Marvel has planned for the overall story arc and he needs to make sure he and the writers have seen previous movies and shows so there's consistency. But I also share Mike's concerns that Marvel isn't even sure what's gonna become of those movies depending on Jonathan Majors' trial. It might not even be The Kang Dynasty by the time we see them. Gareth Edwards doing Thor 5 sounds pretty cool, though. I'd love to see what he could do with it. As for Nolan's comments about the state of blockbusters, I absolutely agree. We need more variety, which I think we do get for the most part, but the problem is that when something is original, it's often not marketed as well and that's a huge problem in itself. And I think theaters are gonna be very disappointed when Aquaman 2 comes out. The early box office tracking isn't looking too good. However, it won't have any major competition other than Wonka and if the reviews are good, it might stand a chance. This is a wait-and-see type of situation. I hope it does well. I'll definitely be seeing it. I love the first one.
I don’t disagree with your problems with Filoni, but when I’m weighing the pros and cons, I still think this is a good decision overall. I do hope he can better realize that not everyone has seen CW and Rebels and that his live-action work continues to improve. But I love his understanding of Star Wars more than anyone else at Lucasfilm. After the Sequel Trilogy era, I’m glad that there’s someone who respects Lucas at the helm of the creative now.
Yes Sam rami is the right choice !
Great episode!
I'm a huge Raimihead, Spider-Man 2 is still my favorite superhero movie of all time. I thought Multiverse of Madness felt like a rushed out mess. Other than a few scenes it didn't feel like a Raimi movie at all to me. I'm much more worried about the writer of the next 2 Avengers movies though. If the script is good, I trust that Raimi will make it good.
5:40 with Mike
So Kristian to your point about the budgets on movies now a days. I just got back from seeing Godzilla Minus One, and it's the best Godzilla movie in the past decade! I've really enjoyed the Legendary movies but this is by far the best movie that's been made with Godzilla recently. Additionally it looks incredible, and only cost $15M to make! Pretty sure Godzilla vs Kong was like 400M and not that it didn't look pretty...l and this movie only had one monster to animate... but they know how to use their budget wisely!
I love how real Mike keeps shit
I hope one day Kristian can do a big Schmoes Know reunion event/show. Heck id buy a ticket.
Gentlemen, thank you for the content. I really enjoy the real perspective (non scripted if so let’s talk) and would like to ask how your strategic roadmap gets you to 1M subscribers. I enjoy being asked…but how about allowing 10 of us to challenge your plan and winner gets a spot?! Let us make you better. Keep it going and wear better t-shirts, TY
While I would like to do so, I think it's hard to judge Raimi's qualifications based on Dr. Strange solely due to the Marvel-mandated reshoots and cut scenes. I would need a director's cut in order for that to happen.
Original cut was at 2 hours and 40 minutes, which then became 2 hours and 6 minutes.
I’m not a Raimi-head and I loved Multiverse of Madness
Lowering the budget on future MCU releases may backfire: if the audience feels that the movie looks like it has a lower budget they’ll say to themselves “THIS LOOKS LIKE A DISNEY PLUS THING so I’ll wait a few months and watch it at home!”
I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I think Far From Home is the best Spider-Man movie. It felt like I was watching the FOX Spider-Man Cartoon in live action. Just my opinion, I know most do not share my thoughts on this which is ok. Good stuff Mr. Harloff.
I’ve been thinking the duo who directed and wrote the last 2 episodes of Loki should do avengers. They have feature experience - even some with avengers cast - and clearly understand story structure. I think they’d bring a fresh take and make for an enjoyable film
The team behind Loki should handle Kang Dynasty. Kang was done so well there and then got completely shat on in Quantumania.
Going back to the end of Season 1 and getting more of He Who Remains was done so well.
Diane dying is like a canon event for Rick, his version of uncle Ben. Also side point maybe simple Rick was so happy because they kidnapped him when Diane was still alive.
1:16:31 Mike’s not wrong but we never had as much superhero stuff on TV (streaming) at the same time as the movies
So many people on twitter are 🤬🤬🤬 towards Taika. And I’m like “he’s sayin what he says just to piss you people off” 😂.
Excited for the episode today!
I understand Filonis comments, I watched that episode and had never heard of the world between worlds until 3 weeks later, and all I thought watching it was "oh this is cool like a force afterlife type thing its like ghosts of Christmas past" I didn't have to know all this extra stuff to get through that series. Now I'm not saying Filoni is untouchable, i did have issues like i didn't even realize that Ezra was a Jedi til half way through the season but these specific comments I can understand.
The main concern with Filoni is THE HAT. Can he be taken seriously under THE HAT? Idk.
Oh lord please not Raimi!!! I would love to see Watts do them. He did a great job with SpiderHolland
Not so hot take (and I’ve been saying this for the past 5-6 years) but now with all the spending, losing money, breaking even, and some of the films/tv shows not being as well received by Disney. I really do believe if Disney sells off ESPN, ABC, FX, Freeform, etc. They’re going to sell and be acquired by Apple. It’ll obviously benefit them financially and as a subsidiary they’ll keep the Disney branding for marketing purposes.
Zero chance.
Is Apple trying to buy? Also...disneyfying is a thing. What changes with apple at the helm?
@@thetrib1 Nothing concrete been rumored for years I just believe it will eventually happen.
@@mnoir7257 We’ll see.
@@tristanMWC they got the money for it for sure.
1:02:25 How!!!?? 🤣🤣🤣
I'm hoping he directs Spider-Man 4. But I'd love to see him direct a trilogy of movies. Based off the Marvel comic Rom Spaceknight from Sept 79-Mov 85.
PLEASE, let Aquaman 2 be good... 😭
I LOVE the first one so much...
If I am Sony (and I am after a nice billion dollars), I tap Raimi on the shoulder and ask him if he would be interested in doing a Spider-Man 4 film. I tell him that if the movie does well, we will happily bankroll any kind of lower mid budget movie (20-40 millio range) that he wants to make after (within reason). The leg work has already been done, fans responded incredibly well to Now Way Home and Spider-Man is one of the only superhero characters who always has success at the box office. I also like the idea of keeping Holland's spiderman on ice for a while in order to give him space to do his own thing and make a return more exciting
I disagree Kristian, Coogler and Watts would be terrible picks. Both would make generic movies, and Coogler has ruined legacy characters before so I'd never trust. Jon Watts did NWH, I don't want these films to be a repeat of that movie tonally.
Nothing bad about Doctor Strange 2 was a Raimi issue. The visual aspect was phenomenal. The writing was the problem.
I love the Spider-man movies, and Dr Strange was great too. Just wish the fight with the Illuminati lasted more than 1 minute. I was pretty surprised the movie didnt do that well.
The movie made almost 1b without china and after No Way Home it’s the marvel movie with the bigger box office numbers
Great point about the China box office. We forget the other phases had China. So, how do we know if the main audience doesn't like Raimi. As well, Guardians made as much as Raimi I believe. Most love Gunn.
@@aprilnewell5434 strange made 950m and guardians 890 I believe. I think that we can say that the movie did well.
@@FintoEs111 I checked, you are correct. Amazing that this was without China. These numbers are what makes Raimi a choice to disney. Money talks. I am not sure if this movie was perceived bad, clearly there was repeat viewership if it made this much money.
@@aprilnewell5434 the funny thing about this movie is that it seems like there was not an “in between” reaction. Some people loved it, some others hated it… Sure, it’s not the ideal scenario for an Avengers movie, but maybe without 33 rewrites during production they can produce something more “universally loved” like Raimi’s Spider-Man movies.
Harloff Rules (Mikeys the best, DC Movie News baybee)
Mike’s thumbnail face is my reaction to Sam Raimi doing Avengers as well 😂
Rainy should stick with marvel monster stuff. He’d do great doing legion of monsters or something
A Raimi Dr. Doom movie would blow your mind
Probably suit the quirky time travel stuff like Loki and Kang...
Ryan Coogler has earned the shot at the Avengers sequels, if he wants it. The first BP breaks a billion and the second did $900 million.
I would be happy if Sam Raimi directed all movies! Hehe.
Well, and John Carpenter. 🤘
Raimi made a top 5 greatest comic book movie ever made with Spider-Man 2. Raimi has what it takes to do avengers.
Dude I’m so down for Sam lol yesss
Yes. He’s an excellent director and wether you liked the story or not, released the most polished and complete film of the MCU’s Covid era.
Coogler is the MCU director I trust most.
I feel the same way about raimi and doctor strange 😕
Hey love what u guys do but your a little off about the writer of doctor strange not watching Wanda vision and raimi being brought in late. On the script notes podcast, he talks about the process of that movie. He studied Wanda vision and the rest of the mcu (I wouldn’t blame you for thinking otherwise based on the jump in character for Wanda). the guy made 200 revisions during production. Marvels parliament is to blame for that movie, they were ordering rewrites and taking power away from raimi and waldren
If you give Sam Raimi instructions will he follow it? Visually it looks great. Good show
Spider Man 2 is the best spider man movie. The only competition is the Spider Verse movies
No. NO. I respect that the dude did very much for comic book movies with his Spider-Man movies but damn. I don’t want him near an Avengers movie. Edwards would be perfect. The Creator and Rogue One are proof that he can handle heavy hitting stakes. Raimis style feels like something out of CW.
Also I hope more things like Barbenheimer happen, I'm 23 that was the first time I felt like there was something like that as far as like two movies unofficially but also sort of officially collabing? Like I hope more things like that happen, theater chains need to be in tune with social media and trends like that 100% to help keep the business going.
Wait so are we getting Kang Dynasty and a 2 part Secret Wars?
Jesus Mike, animation is one of the hardest mediums to work with. When making such a comment of, "HOW!? HOW!?" Maybe learn that it's one of the most difficult mediums in the world to make and requires incredible talent.
Mike is right about the animated movie Wish. "How did that cost 200 million?" Here are couple of animated movies that cost less, and looked better than Wish. 1.Trolls Band Together budget $95 million. 2.The Super Mario Bros. Movie $100 million. 3.Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Budget $100-150 million. I disagree with your argument Kristian that animation cost a lot money. It can, but also can cost less as 3 examples i just mentioned above, depends just how wisely are you spending that budget.
budgets for movies are insane
@@johansvensson833 Yeah especially for this years blockbusters. 340 million for Fast X. Underperformed at the box office. Even 291 million Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1 underperformed which was shocking for me since last year Top Gun 2 made a billion.
I’m honestly tired of directors say they want to make a film like “Empire”. Stop!
In Sam Raimi I trust!
As an animator, hearing the way mike talked about how much an animated movie should cost made my blood boil.
Seems like Taika’s 15 minutes of fame are up.
What version of the Harry Potter books are they ? Look classy 👌
TDK and TDKR both made 1B. Aquaman made 1.1B - Its the highest grossing DC movie period!
Kristian, ya gotta know that these studios are making huge budget films on purpose for very specific non-creative reasons. I mean at this point, you must know that these are not creative decisions. These are corporate decisions. They don’t want a 50 to 100 million dollar profit on a $125 million dollar film. They want 1 to 2 billion in profit on a film. They want their shareholders to think they’re about to make billions on films any given year. Then what about the tax cuts and all this other jargon we as fans don’t pay attention to? How much are they making on merch? Studios have canceled super popular animated series’ because they weren’t selling enough toys for girls. They could give a shyt about all the insane fan love.
I need your glorious brain to look into this very REAL thing and report on it to us from your perspective. Please. Instead of shouting at the screen telling studios to make smaller budget films. THEY AIN’T LISTENING! 🖖🏿🙏🏿❤️✊🏿
Most are making smaller budget films. The MCU has clout and the money to make a 150 mil movie. They've hit soooo much more than they have missed. Does anyone really think their next movie Deadpool is going to do less than 750 mil at the box office alone? I don't. Guardians did really well, so did MOM. Among other marvel movies. They are turning a profit on basically every movie. But outside of the MCU who is cranking out projects that cost north of 100 mil constantly?
I think the Feige knew phase 4 was kind of a bust when they had to shift around release dates knowing damn well Sony wouldn’t shift No Way Home past December. Multiverse of madness was supposed to come out before NWH which makes much more sense.
They basically had to rewrite the movie to accommodate for Sony’s movie. So Feige brining in Rami for the new version of MoM felt like him going well the story we wanted to till is out the window, let me at least let Sam come in and do his thing to make this movie at least some what interesting. The main problem with MoM in my opinion is the script which Rami had next to nothing to do with. Rami was heavily involved in the first 2 Spider-Man scripts and look how those movies turned out.
There’s no doubt about it, it’s a risk to let Rami do 4 and 5 but Feige knows how important these movies are for his legacy let alone the mcu. I don’t think he’d bring him in if Sam didn’t convey that he’s willing to play ball.
Sam raimi is the perfect choice. We need the Spider-Man action in these movies and that edge he brings
Does lot of it fall on Writers? Seem everyone blaming directors because movies not doing well. If you pass instructions you going do what it says right? Raimi makes great visuals but they need GOOD WRITERS and someone to make sure films stay focus on on MCU connections but not throw in random characters that have nothing to do with the individual film.