Why Do So Many 737 MAXs Fly in Canada?
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- Опубликовано: 5 мар 2022
- As of early March 2022, there are 5 - soon to be 6 - airlines that fly the Boeing 737 MAX in Canada.
In a world where the market for commercial airliners is increasingly leaning towards Airbus, why does Boeing seem to have such a foothold here in Canada, at least in the single aisle segment?
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SOURCES:
[1] 737 MAX fuel efficiency: www.boeing.com/commercial/737...
[2] Lynx Air - up to 46 737 MAXs: www.flylynx.com/en/latestnews
[3] Indigo Partners: www.newswire.ca/news-releases...
www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pr...
www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pr...
[4] A320neo sold out until 2025: www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/bu...
[5] Opportunities for start-up airlines: www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...
[6] Flair Airlines 737 MAX: media.flyflair.com/flair-airl...
media.flyflair.com/flair-airl...
[7] WestJet 737 MAX Order: toronto.citynews.ca/2013/08/2...
[8] Sunwing 737 MAX: skiesmag.com/news/sunwing-wel...
[9] Swoop 737 MAX Order: www.flyswoop.com/news/swoop-a...
[10] Air Canada 737 MAX Order: aircanada.mediaroom.com/index...
leehamnews.com/2013/12/11/ass...
ipolitics.ca/2013/12/11/boein...
[11] Air Canada “poised” to order neos: www.flightglobal.com/air-cana...
[12] Air Canada A321neos, finally? www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...
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With regards to AC, there's also the time when they inherited a small fleet of 737s after their takeover of Canadian Airlines. They only flew them for a few years before retiring the mainly older 737 frames from the overall fleet.
Thanks for giving me a small bit of the airline’s history
It’s hilarious how many people I’ve heard passionately say they’ll never fly on a Max. When I reply good luck flying in Canada without going on a 737, they are shocked to learn that the infamous Max is a 737. A lot of the time they’ve recently flown on one and didn’t even realize it. 🙄
Yep
I prefer a Max now - the serious bugs have been found and fixed, and they've all been gone over with a fine toothed comb. Ongoing inspections are also likely more frequent and more thorough than other types to avoid liability.
People have really short memories too. Save them $5 on a ticket and most will forget all about it.
Flew on the max before the cashes and wasn't that impressed buy it. It was quiter but thats about it. I hate the new seats that they have and are being put in the NGs.
On the other hand the C series or A220 is in a class by itself. It's my new favorite narrow bodied aircraft.
Question is what are these airlines going t9 do when the B737 is discontinued and Boeing finally make a new aircraft. Boeing cannot use the same cockpit as so much if it is from the 1960s.
They will have to retrain every pilot they have at the Boeing only airlines. Where as the Airbus cockpit is much more upgrade friendly. The only cockpit they have that is not compatible is the A220 which was designed by Bombardier.
At some point these Boeing only companies are going to gave to bite the bullet.
As far as not finding it eay to avoid the Max I've had no problems. 14 round trips between Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto and Montreal and not a Max amoung them. If I had to fly a Boeing I would just pick an NG flight. All my 14 round trips have been on A220s, A32Xs and 2 Q400s
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Well Said!
The 737Max is still an old design with a fresh coat of paint!
Hey Alex Thanks for the info big supporter of you
Very nicely done transition at 6:09!
Great video!!
I have this question for quite a while. I couldn't find the answer on the internet until now. Thanks Alex!
I was wondering this exact question about an hour before I saw this video. Thankyou.
Dropping a comment for the algorithm. Great videos as always!
You should do a video on AC's E175/E190 order; originally intended for their DC-9 replacement competing against the Boeing 717, only to be sold back to Boeing for the 737 MAX order a decade later.
Great video.
Personally I think I'd want to have a somewhat diverse fleet, especially lately with it being so easy to have a huge number of planes grounded for some reason. Obviously the cost savings of having all the same thing are nice but it's sort of the 'all your eggs in one basket' sort of thing
It's a mixed tradeoff. A diverse fleet also means a diverse crew is needed as pilots and flight crew are trained on specific aircraft. Having too diverse a fleet can have the opposite effect in that case (ex: a bunch of your employees call in sick with omicron, you don't have enough employees trained in that aircraft to pickup service). So it's a delicate balance of having enough aircraft to service different needs/routes while also not having too many that maintenance and staffing becomes an issue.
A diverse fleet is financial suicide for smaller airlines.
I am terrified of flying and also I found out I was going on a Max on my trip to Hawaii in December. I freaked out but with meditation, pills and such, I ended up being excited about flying on that plane. It was a great great experience what a nice plane, powerful and quiet, so nice!
Ah - you had a 'good trip'! 😀
Well....that changed quick
Another great video Alex! Keep it up!
Thanks, Alex. So among all these Canadian B737 operators, we need to go through your "flight reviews" again for comfy seats on the cheap lol
Comfy seats on the cheap is a bit of an oxymoron these days.
@@gmitchellfamily yep
Hope to fly on one of these soon.
With the constant, intense oversight and scrutiny on these airframes, they are some of the safest in the sky.
Of course the integrity of the Max airframe was never in doubt. The problems had to do with avionics and training. But you're right... The scrutiny on those issues has been intense and even intentionally punitive.
@@d.jensen5153 what about the pitch-up issue due to the heavy engines? It still remains unsolved and will remain the same, cz it's a design fault
@@balanibakits6488 The pitch-up issue wasn't caused by the heavy engines or their forward placement. It was caused by a bad sensor sending bad data to a flight controller that was designed to mimic the older 737. This disastrous loop has been changed in several ways. The 737 MAX airframe, with engines attached, is an inherently stable platform.
@@d.jensen5153 Tell that to the whistleblowers. Oh wait they're gone now.
To me it seems like ACs B737M8 wont be in the fleet for more than 15 years. I could very much see them pull back into an airbus only narrow body fleet once the max's are a little older.
With Canada lifting the travel restrictions come April 1, this should stimulate a tremendous amount of demand. I'm curious if AC will use the same strategy they did with Airbus and consider reinstating the 10 MAX orders they cancelled in Nov 2020. Not only can they access these gets sooner than any Airbus model but some deliveries in 2023 will help bridge the gap in between the A220 orders which are set to pause in that year.
April the 1st All Fools Day.
Look at the curb weight of a Bobby 200 and you will start to see why they stuck around. Smaller Boeings also take smaller and more frequent grabs at cargo and passengers, who don't want to sit around in motels and those oh-so-comfortable airport seats.
The only other reason might be regional airports without airbridges, as the 737 and not-yet-built A220-500 both have deployable stairs, while the A320 requires an airbridge.
No airliner "requires" an airbridge.
The 737 can be optioned with deployable stairs
The Airbus actually offers airstair option for ACJ320 family and for sure it should be able to be adapted into the commercial passenger version.
EDIT: Actually the former BA's A320-100 used to have airstair, installed from the factory.
The next story should be about the 737-200. Only age is causing attrition of that model in Canada, but Nolinor Aviation, which also operates 65-year old Convairs, recently upgraded their nine 737-200s with glass cockpits (they also fly one -300, three -400s, and a single -800-all owned, none younger than 20 years old with an average 737 age of 38 years). They also have one of the last 737-200 flight simulators in the world.
No other aircraft can replace the 737-200. They are perfect for Canada's very unique aviation needs. This has been covered in his previous videos.
Everyone is saying that the MCAS is now updated and issues are resolved. But what about the pitch-up issue due to the heavy engines? It still remains unsolved and will remain the same, cz it's a design fault
I wouldn't be surprised if a Max was seen as a way to save on maintenance as well. A company that service AC or Westjet 737 fleet saying to Sunwing or Flare, "Hey, we will service your planes at the same cost as AC and Westjet, but you have to buy 737s to get this deal."
They obviously got some sweet deals after max grounding, Interesting to see what happens long term. Wonder what A220 sales are like in CANADA?
Why does Swoop’s aircraft say #FlyFlair? LOL
The MAX is a very good plane. A pilot friend of mine said every pilot in Canada that was trained on the MAX knew of the software bug and it was a simple flight procedure to disengage the over correction of the planes nose. Pilots in some other countries were unfortunately not trained properly with often 0 simulator time and experience.
Is WestJet getting MAX 7s and 10s?
Not 10s, but yes for 7s
Great video, Alex. However, your prosody reminds me of that of Jim Carrey.
I've never flown on a Max before, but I'm considering booking a flight from Halifax to Toronto with Flair, so that would be my first max flight.
I wonder if Westjet would ever consider the A220-100 for Encore. Not sure which is more fuel efficient, the Q400 or the A220.
Westjet is a pure boeing turbofan fleet.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography That can always change. Since Boeing doesn't offer anything in the size class of a A220.
@@Demosthenas Westjet doesn't seem to care much for Canadian Made jets. They like Anti-Canadian Boeing. Glad to see AC bring the 220 fleet to 60
Thumbs up for proper plural use in the title of the video. This is rare to see on RUclips these days haha.
Why am I scared of flying theses, they shouldn't even be allowed to fly, but growing pressure due to the fact many companies had them ordered and in their fleet probably helped them getting certified while they shouldn't even be in the air. How many crash, and how many death will it takes before someone decides the passengers deserve a safer plane to travel.
What about Air Yukon.
Personally, I don't mind flying 737MAX. Have done it multiple times already. It's smooth, quiet, its fuel efficient, and good for business. Also, have to admit Boeing learned their lesson from those two tragic MAX incidents and has turned things around in the right direction. Since getting out of worldwide grounding, MAX has been doing fantastic.
Apparently not since two whistleblowers got "erased" in the last two months.
Air canada just order like 26 321neo xlr's? I think they kinda mix their fleet up
We have another 737MAX order in the US from an airline called Alegent Air which is has a big reliance on A320 aircraft.
It was shocking because they were rumored to order an A320neo or an A220
Both Neos and A220 had a long waiting list while MAX due to the accident have a few laying around ready to be delivered. They couldn't wait for the neos so decided to go with the MAX. There are a few videos about it on YT.
Can anyone tell me why Boeing would want to buy those e 190 jets?
Bombardier makes a small amount of planes
I'm taking flight lessons out of a regional airport in Ontario. We share the tarmac with Flair and WestJet. Nearly every last plane that I've seen there has been a 737 Max, with the very occasional 737-800 making an appearance. Flair's 800's have a black nose cap, so they are super easy to spot compared to the Max. One of their Maxes once was holding short behind my wee Cessna 152 once. It was a sight to be sure haha. I have actually seen a 737-200 there as well. Not a single Airbus though.
Sounds like YKF to me
Come to YYZ and you will see many airbus planes AC/TS A330, A321, AC 220/A320/319
Pretty impressive that the -200 and -MAX can be seen operating back to back.
I wonder if Boeing just has a stronger parts, sales, service and distribution network here in Canada then Airbus?
size as in number of seats airbus 220 is smaller and thus inapropriate for 180 passengers
old days have on westjet plane 737 800 not have tv for covid 19
Personally very sad that Air Canada decided to go with the 737. The A320 fleet was always to their advantage, being a much more comfortable plane from a passenger's perspective. I flew on one of their new 737 Max 8s a few weeks ago, and they have really clamped down on leg room and comfort unless you pay extra for their "preferred" seats.
personally I loathe flying on AC's A320s, always have, including their A321s. Sure they have the older engines, but those things are always packed up the ass. There's always a delay because of the lack of overhead bin space, something the 737 MAX and all the wide body aircraft don't really suffer from. I'll take a 330 or any of the AC Boeing aircraft any day over the 320s, especially since the 320s are thrown on some really long flights (YYZ-YVR, just give me a 787 or 777 and I'll be happy)
I’m sure glad they picked the max, much more comfortable than the a320 family
The difference in comfort is based strictly on airline choice. The difference in width is negligible over a full cabin.
I remember reading at some point that Boeing was planning to purchase some Embraers secondhand and offered AC a trade deal for the 737 MAX. I read somewhere recently that AC is likely to go back to Airbus for their next order.
I heard AC is not pleased with the 737-M8, not surpised to see they massively beefed up the A220 bringing the fleet to 60 and never extended options with Boeing for the max 8
It would've been nice to see Lynx fly the A220 but since the wait time is quite substantial better the Max than the E-2's, especially with the E-2's shorter range. Maybe airlines are getting a better deal on the 737 Max's because of Boeings woes ? Now with higher oil barrel prices happening, getting the best lean machine seems the best choice to favor.
Very goof thinking Mr Scott maybeCanadian
Between flying on the 320 and the max, I'll always take the max these days. The sky interior is just so much more pleasant, and there's more overhead bin space, which significantly reduces the delays at airports in my experience. I hate the risk of gate checking my backpack or suitcase these days because all my camera gear is in there. I've never noticed any differences in seat size between the two either. If there is a difference it's negligible.
If you've taken a plane with AirSpace interior, then you would disagree. Airbus has done an amazing job.
@@_w_w_ Both manufacturers make wonderful aircraft.
@@athleticguy15 I don't know what you base your comment on. In the context of this video about narrowbodies, A320 is wider and taller than B737, so there is no way for B737 to be more comfortable than A320 if all variables are kept the same. And the commenter made a silly statement and suggest Sky Interior makes the MAX better. It's silly because Sky Interior is NOT new and was installed on the previous gen. If the interior architecture is used by assess a plane as "good" or "bad", then one should look at the superior design of AirSpace. It beats Sky Interior in every metric that matters.
@@_w_w_ Both airlines make wonderful aircraft. And the Allegiant A320 only has 18" of legroom, so the way an airplane is configured is up to the airline, not the manufacturer. I am a regular sized guy, not real tall, not too heavy, and I fit in almost any plane quite nicely. Because you disagree with another's opinion, you call that opinion silly. Sky Interior is very nice, as is the A320 interior, don't know why you have to label one good and one bad, both are more than adequate. I could care less what type of plane I am on, just that the flight crew and cabin crew do a good job.
@@athleticguy15 Stupid comment. A320 family is wider than B737, so the seats are wider. This is not a thing the airline can configure.
PRICE 2022
Where I live, if there's a north-to-south contrail in the sky you can be fairly certain it's a WestJet 737 transporting Canadians from cold places to warm places. :)
Been on them since sunwing got their first one. Very quiet interior. Enjoy them
My fingers are crossed for an A321 NEO order at AC. While I enjoyed my MAX flights over my 737NG flights, the seats are always just a touch too narrow for me and I have to break my neck to see out the low windows. A320s are just so much more comfortable (unless you're on a budget airline like Allegiant who's seats don't make use of the cabin width limits). In most cases I'll take an A320 over a 737.
Same argument for me. I couldn't have said it better
It's just a shame the A320 family has noticeably smaller cabin windows compared to the 737. It's the one single thing missing.
@Alex Praglowski Aviation After what Boeing did to Bombardier, which forced the company to sell part of its stake of the A220 to Airbus, support for Boeing may be temporary. The Canadian Government already disqualified them from supplying Fighter Jets to Canada. Canadians have long memories.
The problem is Boeing's whole attitude to safety and quality since the merger with MacDonnell-Douglas.
Nice quiet jet, dont mind flying in one at all
I would add, that competition is a excellent way of keeping prices down and new innovations up in the airlines best interests. And as the world has and is now still experiencing the ill affects of monopolistic tendencies, this is a better system.
With this Canadian obsession with the 737max, I’m cheering for AC to buy the A321neo/XLR soon. Always preferred their wider seats and cabin over the 737
Not sure how I'll feel about the XLR puddle jumping to say Portugal vs a 330
@@briankenney1433 My thoughts exactly. Jumping across the pond in a narrow body vs a wide is meh. Bumpier, slower and more confined. I'd def book with an airline offering wide body vs narrow across le pond.
@@briankenney1433 How would it be any different from a MAX puddle jumping between Canada and Europe, or a 757 going across the Atlantic? Remember that 707s and DC-8s did trans-atlantic flights whilst they were "mere" narrowbodies. The comfort of a plane has nothing to do with the number of aisles on board; it's all about how the airline arranges the cabin. My flights on a 757 and A320 were much more comfy than on a 767, and I wouldn't be too keen to fly on a 9-abreast 787 or 10-abreast 777.
I think Airbus is the best 😇👌🌹
The max is getting really hard to avoid these days in Canada...
They are save plane not counting those 2 crashes who where destine for crash with poorly trained pilots. If they waited airbus would be longer wait of deliveries.
As a frequent flyer I'm not particularly interested in the make of the aircraft so long as it's safe. My concern is in the quality of customer service for the atrocious cost of flying these days. Air Canada's customer service level is terrible and their loss of baggage legendary. AC is also notorious for bumping people off of their planes with nary a concern for the stranded passenger. While WestJet is certainly no cheaper than AC its customer service is exemplary in comparison. I prefer to pay more knowing I won't get bumped and won't have to deal with a government employee mentality.
Actually as you said currently it is Boeing's advantage because it can deliver aircraft quickly in a short period of time. There is another very important point you did not mention: because Boeing has a lot of whitetail aircraft, Boeing will be sold at a low price. And as you can see by allegiant airline purchase, Boeing 737Max discounted prices are to some extent almost the same as 320ceo prices. But it is undeniable that the 321neo its capacity and range is indeed Boeing does not have a product can compete.
Boeing has long ago sold all of its whitetail aircraft, and you have absolutely NO idea what price Boeing is selling its planes for. If you want to be an Airbus fan boy, at least get your facts straight.
@@athleticguy15The fact is A321NEO has just overtaken A320NEO as the best selling variants, while majority of MAXes are MAX8. I just can't imagine MAX8 can be in average more expensive than A321NEO, let alone LR and XLRs.
Also A321NEO outsold MAX9/10 by a few times. It reflects the fact that A321NEO is more attractive in the eyes of airline executives, despite its ridiculously long queue. Boeing simply can't charge as much without further hurting their backlog.
There's no equivlant of A321LR/XLR from Boeing, and Airbus enjoys a monopoly.
@@steinwaldmadchen Once again, you have absolutely no idea what Boeing or any other companies sell their aircraft for. By the way, I love flying on all types of aircraft.
@@athleticguy15 lol
Airlines and manufacturers absolutely have no obligation to disclose to fanboys. But many airlines as public listed companies, have to disclose any capital spending as part of investor relations. By aggregation it's not impossible to get a brief idea. In Allegiant's case, they have to justify why they moved away from a single fleet to shareholders, though the market seemed unconvinced.
Both Boeing and Airbus are also public companies, and have to disclose their financial statements. And it's not hard to see Airbus overall in a stronger position. If deliveries of Boeing recovered but not their revenue, you really have to wonder what's gone wrong there, or Airbus would definitely be questioned by their stakeholders if investments on A321XLR or A350ULR don't earn them extra bucks.
And I carefully say "average". It's simply impossible to know every deal even for insiders in Airbus or Boeing. But the pattern can be seen, at least for some people that are working in the aviation industry.
Nothing wrong with the max i flew from detroit to mexico city with aeromexico when new just the landing was to stepped came down too fast compared with the 319 from toronto to mexico city with aircanada but now aircanada replaced the airbus to the 737 max in that route
tl;dr a few new airlines are expanding in canada, and there just happened to be a fire sale on excess inventory 737MAXes for some reason...
I haven’t flown on the Max yet but have always preferred the A320 over the 737. Much more comfortable and more leg room!
How much legroom depends on the airlines, not the aircraft.
@@yosi.hendarsjah No matter how much you repeat this, people still don't get it.
@@athleticguy15 seat pitch is to the airline - seat width is to the aircraft. Good - A320 family, 767, A330. Bad - CRJ, 737, 787 and "new" 777. I find the shoulder width far more important to my feeling of space than pitch and choose my flight by airline and aircraft. The longer the flight the more important this is.
@@jonathanchester5916 I'm a regular sized guy, not overweight, so I fit pretty well in any plane, I've never had any problems in any plane, I realize larger people have more of a problem.
@@jonathanchester5916 Not really. A320 cabin is wider than 737's. However, an A320 operator may install the same seat as the one in 737s. The seat width is the same but the aisle is wider.
USA backyard...
Air Canada doesn’t worry about operating a mixed fleet because they don’t need to worry about making money…they can always just get another bail out. That way the CEO can give themselves a bigger bonus for “saving” the airline. 😕👎
It's very simple. The MAXes are cheaper to buy, lower fuel burn per seat mile and cheaper to maintain than the NEOs. If you don't need range beyond 3300~3500 nm, the MAX is the better aircraft. Obviously, if you are looking for transatlantic range to replace the 757 or you are routinely flying out to about 4000nm (eg. London -- Mumbai) the NEO will be your choice.
*Boeing rushes 737 Max development, with design flaws directly leading to two fatal crashes, colludes with the FAA to cover up those defects, has their planes grounded for almost two years when the scandal finally breaks.*
Gee, I wonder why some customers didn't take delivery of their 737 Max, and why they're so cheap and available now.
Ah, thought your species would be extinct by now, airbus animales!
Pls get your A350 fixed and expel the MD11 from the sky before ever making such a comment again. I don’t think fat lettering makes an argument more valuable buddy :3
Airlines may love them, customers do not, they are a terrible and unsafe aircraft, I flew to Mexico in winter 2024 and was scared to death, we were suppose to fly on the A220
The economy seating on the MAX 8 is so bad.... Im 6'1 with pretty long legs and my 3 hour flight to Vegas was brutal.
Happy to see Air Canada picking up more Boeing airframes. Having worked on many 737's for A/C I think this was a good move.
Couldn't Disagree more! Do you work for Boeing? Do you care about the passengers they killed?
@@robinholmes785 no I don't work for Boeing, just on many of their products.
Proper flight training would have prevented both incidents.
@@azmike1956 Yeah a flight training that Boeing themselves said was not required. They did it because they wanted to launch the max aircraft without pilot training and certification. Its seems you don't have much knowledge on the Max crisis. I would advise you to watch some documentaries on it.
@@azmike1956 No! Not lying to the FAA, there customers, and properly informing the pilots on the new systems, would have saved all those lives! I cant imagine what it must have been like for those pilots!
@@azmike1956 There was FAR MORE to it than simple "flight training" which Boeing didn't offer btw.
Air Canada likes their shitty A321-200 too much 😢😢😢
There is also a political question. For canadians it’s better to order planes to the grand brother manufacturer that to Airbus.. It’s not a surprise that the only Québec’s airline has a full Airbus fleet too.
You know that Air Canada is headquartered in Montreal right? :)
@@jonathanchester5916 i konw, but AC stays a pretty "anglo" company. Just need to see the CEO...
The fact that the HQ is in Montreal doesn't change something fort the company on that subject.
Quebec isn't as closely related to France as you'd think. The similarities end at the language, and even then that's different.
@@9999AWC i wonder how can you say that wihtout knowing how close i think they are 😊
Of curse that Quebec has a particular cooperation (economical, and cultural) with France, it's more than a language in common. That said, i am not saying that every political descion in QC is make in favour of France... but it's completely false to say that similarities end at the language. (i suppose that cooperation is a part of what you call similarities). We saw this economical cooperation in the trasport industries (Bombardier and Altstom, Bombardier and Airbus for exemple).
yes have covid 19 is true
I still refuse to fly the MAX if at all possible. Fuck that shit.
American politics plays a big role
Most of these comments fake.
I am very afraid to fly on these Maxs
By the same token millions of passengers are not afraid to fly the max.
Don't be. They're extremely safe. Chances are you will probably fly on one without knowing it.
I wish AC would buy some new A320's
If the max got grounded again, Yes it could happen, we are going to be so screwed!
it doesn't need grounding again.
No, it's not going to happen.
@@athleticguy15 Sounding just like Boeing after the first crash!
And I am not saying it will happen, just the folly of putting all your eggs in one basket.
@@robinholmes785 There are plenty of Airbus only airlines, several in the US, but you don't seem to be criticizing their lack of a diverse fleet,
@@athleticguy15 Large numbers of 737Max's entering the relatively small Canadian market = huge impact! Also, I think we have good reason to distrust Boeing.
I’ll definitely fly the Max over an Airbus any day of the week.
Because Boeing had to sell
em cheap and everybody knew the “I’ll never fly on a max” crowd would fade into the din.
It's because we are America's/boeings lapdog...not to mention Boeing had massive fire sales of whitetail and heavily discounted Max's due to the mcas disaster
Canada is Ametican economic state. Canada is a developing country and dependent on America
boeing sold them cheap to make back the disgraceful antics. makes perfect business sense on canadian airlines
@Chris Maybe the Canadian government should sue Boeing for Dumping below cost 737Max aircraft!
that would be an irony! Maybe a 200% ??
You have absolutely no idea the price at which Boeing sold these planes, and by the way, Airbus gives discounts also.
@@athleticguy15 True that Boeing is secretive about the discount they are giving, but as a publicly listed company and it is clear that Boeing is bleeding money! Yes, I am guessing but you don't have to look deep to see a pattern! I am suggesting that it should be looked into. We Know Boeing is prepared to Brake Rules!!
@@robinholmes785 Once again, you have absolutely no idea what Boeing or Airbus, for that matter, charges for their aircraft.
They are shit planes for economy seats. Far too tight and no cushion and seat stops short of supporting your legs. Crap food. Made me only ache seriously in several places. Not worth flying long distance it’s a killer
Cause they are cheap.....
This narrator is extremely annoying to listen to.
Thanks for watching!
A disaster waiting to happen...