but if someone doesn't make a story the way we want, we can then take that idea and use it in our own works. so it's not all a lose. we just need to get to work making these new stories the way we want (new IP and no copyrights obviously)
If I recall correctly, the original draft of Prometheus drew a lot from Raëlism. The idea was that Jesus was one of the Engineers, and we strung him up. THAT is why the Engineers were on their way to wipe us all out. But, somewhere along the line they decided to drop the Jesus angle - but kept in the rest. So we never learn, in the final product, why the Engineers were coming to destroy us. BUT, since they didn't explain it in the movie, my theory is that the Engineer was NOT coming to destroy us with the black goo - but to douse us with it and instigate our "next stage of evolution." Probably into something horrible akin to the Xenomorph itself.... :(
@@kheph777 I believe that it is in fact canon inside the Engineer’s mythos in the Prometheus universe that Jesus was an Engineer in the story and that the ship was headed to punish humanity for its treatment of him but Ridley Scott decided it was a bit much for the movie but not for the literature/comics.
mediocre horror movie that is good for scaring 9 years old kids outside of that is half baked cookie, is what happens when you try to please critics and fail
Well if you look closely The Engineers encountered on LV 223 are twice the Size of Humans. The Space Jockey on LV 426 is 3 times the Size of Humans and it's not wearing a Helmet That is it's actual Skull with an attached Tube to the Skull. The Space Jockey seems to be permanently Attached into the Control Seat . The Juggernaut appears to be Organic in some Nature of Sorts the Engineers Ship appears to mimic and Copy but in more Technological way . Not organically . The LV 426 Juggernaut has no Cryo sleep chambers and is much larger than the ships on LV 223 . Just Sayin
I have the actual first draft… it was never called ALIEN ENGINEERS And Vickers doesn’t say “Increasingly minuscule.” David’s final line is different as well. But otherwise, this lines up pretty closely.
I am personally beginning to despair over the choices being made in the Alien movies, whether it be by the studios (executives/suits?) or the director, Ridley Scott. John Spaihts has consistently put forward ideas that have been ignored and, instead, Damon Lindelof - who I view as a hack- has been given free reign. As a long-time fan I am tired of hearing about what the movie I just watched could have been as opposed to the one I actually got. Prior to the release of Prometheus, Ridley Scott said himself that he thought the Xenomorph had had its day and that he was more interested in the background (Space Jockey etc). I agree. I'm far more interested in the origins and space politics than watching another human be impregnated/exploding from within/eaten etc. But he fucked it up by making the Jockey a man in a suit (literally!). It sounds to me like Spaihts had a much better idea. TBH my expectations for the next movie and the TV series are not high. I want to be proved wrong. Thank you for the video, interesting viewing as ever 👍👍👍
@@exiaR2x78 I'll admit to only seeing a few episodes of Lost. I may have been wrong but I saw it as a never-ending saga that could be drawn out forever with no satisfactory conclusion.
@@CMDR_Verm Count yourself very lucky haha 6 years I wasted on that show. 5 years of which Lindelof promised the how story had been planned out and all the mysteries (which was the big thing of the series) would be resolved. Come the last season he changed his tune that they never intended to resolve some of the mysteries (some of which had been built up since S1). Someone did an 8 hour or so review of lost with receipts from interviews ect show just how full of shit Lindelof was. I cant recommend lost to anyone in good faith but if your curious id recommend that guys review haha
@@exiaR2x78 The only reason I would ever go near Lost is to watch Mira Furlan who I fell in love with through watching Babylon 5. Now she has left us too.
Prometheus well ahead of its time. People these days have not enough of an attention span for a movie like this. And that includes so called AlienS fans. A lot of the fan base these days see AlienS as the first Alien Film and expect all the alien films to follow that Spoon fed plot and Action film trope. That is NOT what ALIEN is. Or Prometheus. Thinking men's movies.
Ridley Scott maybe a brilliant filmmaker. But, he goes off in these weird directions with his movies. In Alien, whenever we see Ash exercising, Ridley theorized that he needed to exercise his joints because, as an android, they would freeze up if not used often. Also, I've found Blade Runner difficult to understand overall. Then again, it's based on Philip Dick's book and I found him to be "way out there" in regards to his writing.
Good yes ! These films were so lazy and actually such rehashed garbage that were so poorly thought out and frankly boring . I think the finally saw the money in franchise and thought they could get billions. Such a sad waste of great potential
Yep, Spaihts should've had a bigger role in these movies. We still could've had the neomorph and the protomorph (I thought they were both great) included in the two concepts Spaihts had developed and the story still would have been amazing. The Ultramorph would have been epic...even more than Cameron's queen.
Unless this had the Space Jockeys as the Engineer races creators, I ain't interested. Two races, one big and obviously the creator, the other the children who ended up rebelling and poorly copying their parent race's tech.
remember when ridley scott was saying it was never supposed to be an alien movie, it was about androids and the studios got involved and made him add aliens in? man what a liar.
No I don't. That was the fans moaning about Prometheus actually. All the same dickheads who deeply inhaled Blomkamp's silent fart in the room. As something else slightly unrelated, Raised by Wolves turned out to be more free with what it could do. I don't think the Blomkamp Aliens 2.0 fans wanted a complete, big budget, Giger like nightmare about emergent cosmic monsters on elsewhere planets and creation myths (which do exist you know and always will, science regardless) that we may be related to said monsters deep down the line. They just wanted some big guns really. Shame. Love the first three Alien films, think Scott was trying to pull it back, although 'Fans' say "No". Maybe he was compromised by shallow expectations really, I still like them. Still want the third with David and his 'colonists'. I think Dr. Phibes with his own planet of evil.
The entire plot was in the original script for Prometheus. It was altered in order to have the story drag on for a couple more movies (ka-ching). This watered down storyline has no interest whatsoever.
This sounds much better than what we got in Prometheus, but to be fair so does my 5 year old daughter playing make-believe with barbies and my little ponies. That's how terrible Prometheus was. Prometheus was the The Last Jedi of Aliens: a franchise killer.
I am sorry but for me the worst part of prometheus is taking creationism as something feasible or even rational. Not only is stupid, I guess is totally cultural (EEUU culture) and as european It totally alienated me. Films, specially blockbuster pretending ones shall at least attemp to be universal. And I am not even going to mention scientific accuracy on a science ficction franchise
.....what does being european has anything to do with the high reaching sci fi franchise that talks about impossible creatures like xenos and giant humanoids. Your rant has no actual context to argue other than a clear disagreement of humans created by aliens notion. Thats why its fiction unless you got a more convulated ideas to throw up.
Freaking out about creationism in sci-fi is silly because those kinds of elements have been around in sci-fi stories for a long time. Plus, the Alien series very clearly isn’t based on hard science (just look at the expanded universe with all the crazy stuff there). That being said it completely messes up the lore. The Space Jockey was very clearly a biomechanoid that was possible grown into or out of the chair in a cybernetic bioship, and NOT pale humans with ridiculously overly designed technology. It reduces the Xenomorphs from this horrible highly adaptable monstrous organism that’s truly ancient to being the science experiment of some robot. Plus, it makes humans the center of the universe and ruins the themes of an uncaring nihilistic universe where we’re just shrimp in an ocean of terrors. Another thing is Ridly Scott is getting old, and his brother tradgicly committed suicide. Of course he’s going to try to explore elements like this because his end is near. But, in the process he’s ruining an amazing series (this is all coming from someone who recently lost his faith and became agnostic so I can empathize in a way).
The Engineers tie-in with Annunaki & Biblical lore is probably one of my favorite cinema mythos ever and I wish Ridley Scott had pursued it more.
I’ve been saying this myself the moment they did that I lost it and I’ve been deep in the lore ever since!
but if someone doesn't make a story the way we want, we can then take that idea and use it in our own works. so it's not all a lose.
we just need to get to work making these new stories the way we want (new IP and no copyrights obviously)
It's what we all want. A sci fi rendering of christ/ early god perception
Cause it makes more sense lol
If I recall correctly, the original draft of Prometheus drew a lot from Raëlism. The idea was that Jesus was one of the Engineers, and we strung him up. THAT is why the Engineers were on their way to wipe us all out.
But, somewhere along the line they decided to drop the Jesus angle - but kept in the rest. So we never learn, in the final product, why the Engineers were coming to destroy us.
BUT, since they didn't explain it in the movie, my theory is that the Engineer was NOT coming to destroy us with the black goo - but to douse us with it and instigate our "next stage of evolution." Probably into something horrible akin to the Xenomorph itself.... :(
@@kheph777 I believe that it is in fact canon inside the Engineer’s mythos in the Prometheus universe that Jesus was an Engineer in the story and that the ship was headed to punish humanity for its treatment of him but Ridley Scott decided it was a bit much for the movie but not for the literature/comics.
Prometheus had so much potential....
all the extra stuff seems to be more interesting then stuff they chose to include in the film
Awesome. I was looking for something to watch for a bit to unwind. And then this popped up. Perfect timing.
I'm super pissed that "raised by wolves" was cancelled.
It wasn't canceled
@@Spectrefox1313 huh???? where did you hear that???
Dang, massive stuff to take in.
good god. i love the alien engineers script and this sounds so much better than covenant. wtf even was that movie???
mediocre horror movie that is good for scaring 9 years old kids outside of that is half baked cookie, is what happens when you try to please critics and fail
I’ve been dying for this content thank you!!!! #ANUNAKI
This sounds way better than the movies we got.
Good Video!!!
This is a great script, I wonder if Fox had a lot to do with the changes in the script as Scott and Fincher have commented on this before in the past
i really hope we get full circle back to the Space Jockey as he is known as its such a mystery???
They'd probably ruin that too.
Well if you look closely The Engineers encountered on LV 223 are twice the Size of Humans. The Space Jockey on LV 426 is 3 times the Size of Humans and it's not wearing a Helmet That is it's actual Skull with an attached Tube to the Skull. The Space Jockey seems to be permanently Attached into the Control Seat . The Juggernaut appears to be Organic in some Nature of Sorts the Engineers Ship appears to mimic and Copy but in more Technological way . Not organically . The LV 426 Juggernaut has no Cryo sleep chambers and is much larger than the ships on LV 223 . Just Sayin
Yeah, one of many reasons I hate Prometheus. Beautiful, but stupid.
far better then what we got
Merci.
I'm with the sequel we got. We spent time with those characters and watched them develop in Prometheus with no pay off
I have the actual first draft… it was never called ALIEN ENGINEERS And Vickers doesn’t say “Increasingly minuscule.” David’s final line is different as well. But otherwise, this lines up pretty closely.
Can you share it?
I like this idea but surprise me for the movies
I am personally beginning to despair over the choices being made in the Alien movies, whether it be by the studios (executives/suits?) or the director, Ridley Scott. John Spaihts has consistently put forward ideas that have been ignored and, instead, Damon Lindelof - who I view as a hack- has been given free reign. As a long-time fan I am tired of hearing about what the movie I just watched could have been as opposed to the one I actually got. Prior to the release of Prometheus, Ridley Scott said himself that he thought the Xenomorph had had its day and that he was more interested in the background (Space Jockey etc). I agree. I'm far more interested in the origins and space politics than watching another human be impregnated/exploding from within/eaten etc. But he fucked it up by making the Jockey a man in a suit (literally!). It sounds to me like Spaihts had a much better idea. TBH my expectations for the next movie and the TV series are not high. I want to be proved wrong. Thank you for the video, interesting viewing as ever 👍👍👍
Were you also burned by lost? I have zero faith in Lindelof since that series.
@@exiaR2x78 I'll admit to only seeing a few episodes of Lost. I may have been wrong but I saw it as a never-ending saga that could be drawn out forever with no satisfactory conclusion.
@@CMDR_Verm Count yourself very lucky haha 6 years I wasted on that show. 5 years of which Lindelof promised the how story had been planned out and all the mysteries (which was the big thing of the series) would be resolved. Come the last season he changed his tune that they never intended to resolve some of the mysteries (some of which had been built up since S1).
Someone did an 8 hour or so review of lost with receipts from interviews ect show just how full of shit Lindelof was. I cant recommend lost to anyone in good faith but if your curious id recommend that guys review haha
@@exiaR2x78 The only reason I would ever go near Lost is to watch Mira Furlan who I fell in love with through watching Babylon 5. Now she has left us too.
Prometheus well ahead of its time. People these days have not enough of an attention span for a movie like this. And that includes so called AlienS fans. A lot of the fan base these days see AlienS as the first Alien Film and expect all the alien films to follow that Spoon fed plot and Action film trope. That is NOT what ALIEN is. Or Prometheus. Thinking men's movies.
wow
Ridley Scott maybe a brilliant filmmaker. But, he goes off in these weird directions with his movies. In Alien, whenever we see Ash exercising, Ridley theorized that he needed to exercise his joints because, as an android, they would freeze up if not used often. Also, I've found Blade Runner difficult to understand overall. Then again, it's based on Philip Dick's book and I found him to be "way out there" in regards to his writing.
I’m ready. Make the movie.
I would have definitely preferred the original script over what we got which was Prometheus. 😒
although I still love what they did with it. I kinda agree, but producers usually have good reasons for rewrite and shuffleing
@@DebuggedRobot : I mean, Prometheus wasn't TERRIBLE but the original script sounds so much better.
Good yes ! These films were so lazy and actually such rehashed garbage that were so poorly thought out and frankly boring . I think the finally saw the money in franchise and thought they could get billions. Such a sad waste of great potential
@@LD-qj2te : 💯% agree. 👍🏾
Killing Shaw off-screen was a mistake imho...one of many made by the prequels
Yep, Spaihts should've had a bigger role in these movies. We still could've had the neomorph and the protomorph (I thought they were both great) included in the two concepts Spaihts had developed and the story still would have been amazing. The Ultramorph would have been epic...even more than Cameron's queen.
They stayed too loose, because they didn't seem to know where they were going with the story, and it showed.
Unless this had the Space Jockeys as the Engineer races creators, I ain't interested. Two races, one big and obviously the creator, the other the children who ended up rebelling and poorly copying their parent race's tech.
Won a sub from me.
This is the storyline they should have stayed with, it makes more sense.
remember when ridley scott was saying it was never supposed to be an alien movie, it was about androids and the studios got involved and made him add aliens in?
man what a liar.
No I don't. That was the fans moaning about Prometheus actually. All the same dickheads who deeply inhaled Blomkamp's silent fart in the room.
As something else slightly unrelated, Raised by Wolves turned out to be more free with what it could do. I don't think the Blomkamp Aliens 2.0 fans wanted a complete, big budget, Giger like nightmare about emergent cosmic monsters on elsewhere planets and creation myths (which do exist you know and always will, science regardless) that we may be related to said monsters deep down the line. They just wanted some big guns really.
Shame.
Love the first three Alien films, think Scott was trying to pull it back, although 'Fans' say "No".
Maybe he was compromised by shallow expectations really, I still like them. Still want the third with David and his 'colonists'. I think Dr. Phibes with his own planet of evil.
good and bad angels comes across as so tacky.
The entire plot was in the original script for Prometheus. It was altered in order to have the story drag on for a couple more movies (ka-ching). This watered down storyline has no interest whatsoever.
This sounds much better than what we got in Prometheus, but to be fair so does my 5 year old daughter playing make-believe with barbies and my little ponies. That's how terrible Prometheus was. Prometheus was the The Last Jedi of Aliens: a franchise killer.
Absolutely true.:)
These scripts sound terrible. I think Disney/Fox are forgetting what made the original stories memorable. 😒
The script was garbage , glad they hid it
just an advise all you guys that who christians ridley scott is an atheist
Sadly we got Alien Covenant. Promethus I loved, Covenant was total garbage.
My comment? .. hack writers did this.. complete garbage.
I am sorry but for me the worst part of prometheus is taking creationism as something feasible or even rational. Not only is stupid, I guess is totally cultural (EEUU culture) and as european It totally alienated me. Films, specially blockbuster pretending ones shall at least attemp to be universal. And I am not even going to mention scientific accuracy on a science ficction franchise
.....what does being european has anything to do with the high reaching sci fi franchise that talks about impossible creatures like xenos and giant humanoids. Your rant has no actual context to argue other than a clear disagreement of humans created by aliens notion. Thats why its fiction unless you got a more convulated ideas to throw up.
Freaking out about creationism in sci-fi is silly because those kinds of elements have been around in sci-fi stories for a long time. Plus, the Alien series very clearly isn’t based on hard science (just look at the expanded universe with all the crazy stuff there). That being said it completely messes up the lore. The Space Jockey was very clearly a biomechanoid that was possible grown into or out of the chair in a cybernetic bioship, and NOT pale humans with ridiculously overly designed technology. It reduces the Xenomorphs from this horrible highly adaptable monstrous organism that’s truly ancient to being the science experiment of some robot. Plus, it makes humans the center of the universe and ruins the themes of an uncaring nihilistic universe where we’re just shrimp in an ocean of terrors.
Another thing is Ridly Scott is getting old, and his brother tradgicly committed suicide. Of course he’s going to try to explore elements like this because his end is near. But, in the process he’s ruining an amazing series (this is all coming from someone who recently lost his faith and became agnostic so I can empathize in a way).
hope they make another movie , i mean the ridley need to make the third prequal 🥲