Hey, bros! Just a comment on the beherit/behelit matter: Beherit is the Syriac word Satan. ベヘリット (beheritto) is the original name in Japanese, wherein the letters "R" and "L" are interchangeable. All the best and happy new year!!!
So I just wanted to add something here. I'm like 99% sure you can't just hand someone your behelit and then poof its theirs. Pretty sure every single one is destined for a single person. And no matter where you leave it, where you lost it, or who you give it too. When its time, the behelit will be there for them to use at their lowest point of despair.
Right. It's not that the previous owners of the behelits transferred it to Griffith, the count, etc. They were already destined to get the behelits, and the ones they got it from were just carriers.
I always thought that Guts could defy fate because he was born from a dead mother. He shouldn’t have been born but was, so he can go against fate because was born outside it.
Guts was suppose to die at that moment . The causality never took account of Guts being born. He was suppose to be death but didn't. Lets see,that guts never born . The band of the hawk would've been massacred completely at the eclipse including casca. Since, Guts was born against the causality. He never goes along with the fate or destiny written for him
@@haydenrhead7692 This isnt entirely true tho, he just wouldnt have used it at THAT moment, without guts the band of the hawk likely wouldve been slaughtered at doldrey, or even earlier by Zodd, what im trying to say is its likely griffiths dream would have been crushed sooner or later without guts
Interesting theory and I could imagine Griffith actually thinking he could play the world like a chess set, Godhand included. But, the beauty will lie in how Guts would react to whatever Griffith throws his way. Guts has always been Griffith's uncontrollable chess piece. Even if Griffith does everything mentioned, Guts will probably find a way to defy him, still. Man vs god. fish vs river.
Well said. but wouldn’t you say that in a way griffith can predict guts and even skull knight. Not sure what chapter but when Guts went on his own in the battle field and after apologized to griffith but even he said he predicted he would have done something like that. With skull knight when he used the sword of actuation on griffith. but he was waiting on skull knight to arrive. just playing devil advocate.
If Guts activates it. It will be used as a portal to the God Hand. Guts is the exact opposite of Griffith, he would never sacrifice anyone. Guts becoming an apostle is out of the question.
@Reign the difference between them is guts didn't give up struggling that's why his beherit hasn't activated yet. It only activates when you give up and let yourself be consumed by evil to help your self.
Guts will never use the behelit, he hates behelits, apostles, god hand, griffith more than anything. No way he would ever use that power and beg the god hand for strenght to become like those monsters. Unless he uses the behelit in some way to power up the dragonslayer like skull knight.
The idea is that he could summon the hand of god without accepting the sacrifice. The two planes of existence would still merge and that would give him the opportunity to fight them
I agree with the opinion of Tranquil. I believe Griffith will push guts over the edge (much like he did during the Eclipse). If Griffith can push Guts to that state once again, Guts will activate the behelit just to get at Griffith.
yeah, i agree a lot. just adding on, the behelit also ruins the berserker armor for me imo. guts wont have a use for the berserker armor if he becomes an apostle. but i do ask, guts is branded. will he even be able to become an apostle when hes branded?
The bas ending would be guts accepting the deal, turning into the astral manifestation of the Beast of Darkness, and the good ending would be him using it to then break the course of Causality, refusing the deal and killing the God Hand
We want it to be perseverance in the defiance of fate, but the manga over and over again proves history repeats itself, even for a character like Guts he’s made similar mistakes that have happened unto him (ex. SA) and he’s painfully human. We can only hope for the best.
@@thequestbro it really depends, bc that’s if you actively refuse the deal. If Guys were to accept the deal, but prevent the sacrifice from occurring, he’d have a direct path to the God Hand immediately
Griffith's Crimson Behelit wasn't transferred to him, it was always going to end up with him, the old woman that gave it to him was just fated to be there to hand it over. And the stone itself doesn't have much power, it is just a key that grants the fated wielded an audience with the Godhand. Unlike the mark of sacrifice, behelits do not attract dark energy or apostles. Which is why so many of them are just casually hanging around until that fated moment is meant to occur. What's interesting is that sometimes, especially for important events, there seems to be a special moment (usually recognized in hindsight) where the acquisition is meant to happen, and other times it is just random. For example the Egg of the Perfect World received his behelit just when he was about to be crushed by the weight of the decaying bodies being thrown on him. It just showed up there. Griffith's crimson behelit got a special moment where it was given to him, but when it it was time to be activated at the eclipse it just showed up out of nowhere. So you could say it violates causality in some ways, but then it *is* causality in a larger sense. They are kind of like the ultimate grandfather paradox, in that the universe (or Idea of Evil) just sets it up in a way where it gets people and things to be where they need to be, to ensure the fated path of events happens. Sometimes it pretty logic ways, but then in other it just creates shortcuts. I think that is why the apostles after their ascension pretty much get to do whatever they want, and the Godhand don't really bother them, because when the times comes they will do what needs to done regardless of their desire to do it. Like chess pieces on a board.
Always thought the fortune tellers that gave away the behelit were familiars to the Godhand and they gave the behelit out to whoever was worthy of becoming demonic
@@Vile69666 I don’t think that’s the case. For the story to work, much like the Count, it genuinely needed to be Griffith’s choice. The Godhand can influence events, like making sure things are in the right place, but they don’t take such a direct role. I think when we saw the old woman during the eclipse it was just Ubik showing him the memory.
@@ezeqeel8352 Yeah. there's nothing random about it. It all seems to happen at the most traumatic moment in a person's life. The Godhand visited Griffith while he was imprisoned and told him that their formal meeting would happen soon. The crimson behelit is a bit weird in that it must coincide with an eclipse, which are cosmological events that happen independently of what takes places on the Earth itself. So it's difficult to say it was "waiting", the eclipse had to happen when it did, and Griffith had to be in a state to make that choice. Did casualty structure events in such a way to him in the state where he would. I dunno. Suppose the original Band of the Hawk did not rescue him before the eclipse, would he still have sacrificed them, if he wasn't given that huge emotional jolt? I dunno. I think it was important to the story to show in the story of the Count that beyond creating that moment, the meeting of the Godhand, it does seem to be a rare moment of true free will for the holder, as the count chose not to sacrifice his daughter, and as a result was dragged into the abyss.
Beherit is the actual Japanese translation of the word. Behelit was the localized version, because in Japan the Ls and Rs are essentially one in the same
Guts and Casca exist outside of Causality. Kind of the point why their sacrificial brands are constantly dragging in enemies to kill them, each moment of their existence goes against causality.
They aren't outside causality skull knight describes them as between worlds capable of much like a fish swimming upstream they can leap from the waters of causality briefly but are ultimately still subject to it they just are a bit more free then others they are capable of making minor change but not truly alter fate
I think Guts will be the first example of a Behelit activating and being rejected . Plus it could happen sooner than we think, Guts right now is pretty low and may be overwhelmed with fear when he lost casca again.
@@nickytheanimal2413the reason the count was sent to the abyss after rejecting the sacrifice was because he was going to die and when apostles die they all get dragged down like how we see with wylad in the golden age arc
It’s interesting that Griffith was saved from an arrow using a behelit (object) and everyone saw it, while Guts was saved from an arrow by chitch (life), however no one saw it.
With the dragon slayer as a part of him like the lance dude from the band of the hawk/demon version or the dude with a bow and arrow that is oboisvly connwcted tk him in some way
I always thought, if Guts were to use the behelit that, he’d fuse with his armour and look really similar to the godhand in appearance, If Griffith is God Then Guts will be the Devil Of the Apostle world.
The only person who knows what is happening currently is Skull Knight, nobody else...should look at him more as the main protagonist in the next few arcs, I personally hope the story is not dragged too long maybe for another year or 2 max...and also dont rush it such that guts becomes saitama or goku overnight
The problem with your theory is in the manga I've only ever seen that the behelit's end up where they're destined to be, at the exact moment they're needed. But the Slug count does offer the more feasible idea that any betchy can be used by anyone, and it's dark magic inevitably leads the bearer down a dark road by influencing them and others close by. I like this idea that "causality" isn't Fate, it merely masquerades as inevitable, and anyone who refused to sacrifice simply ended up dead or irrelevant/insane so to all outside observer's it seems that they must not have been destined to use it it's like saying everything dies, you can't disprove it because you would have to die in order to refute it if you came back to life well then you're not dead yet.
I like this a lot. Sounds right in line considering Berserk's themes. It reminds me of the Dark Souls theory that the game's antagonist has manipulated history by spreading a fake legend that convinces humans to sacrifice themselves.
I wonder if the Behelit actually belongs to the Dragonslayer? In japanese culture swords have souls and seeing as Gutz is the only one who wielded the Dragonslayer, the fear of losing Gutz could activate the Behelit.
Maybe it's just me, but it always felt to me like Guts didnt give much thought to the behelit, or that he may be used through causality as a vehicle for it. I thought Guts thought that it was the Counts behelit and since he's dead, the behelit is now an impotent relic.
I always thought of the behelits being very similar to skull knight. Not really pursuing anything or headed in a certain direction, but just getting strung along by time and fate for eternity. I never thought skull knight was traveling with a goal in mind, just that he wants to kill void whenever he seems them, or not searching for people to save, he just wants to save people when he runs into them
Since guts is already branded he can activate the behelit and sacrifice dragon slayer, he could get the God hand to powers up dragon slayer because of all the apostles he killed, basically gives him the ability to cut through space and causality, therefore he can kill the God hand members
I mean, Schierke does talk about how she sees Guts and the Dragonslayers memories of their battles together when astral projecting, so it's clearly indicated that the Dragonslayer is more than an inanimate object and has become semi-alive apart from existing in both material and astral plane. But I'm also curious if at least some essence of Griffith is within the sword now, most probably left there with some intention of a future plan from him.
That's not how the sacrifice ceremony works dude. The God Hand need to agree to the terms of the thing being sacrificed, or nothing happens. If Guts was said: "let sacrifice my sword so I can kill you", they'd just say "lol no."
This was really interesting. A lot to think about. I feel Guts is more likely to be consumed by the armor than use the Behelit but it would be cool to see if he's tempted to use it.
@@munken7673 I don't think that's mutually exclusive, lets not forget there WAS a branded apostle before... the Egg Apostle from Convictions exists, so maybe it is possible.
I'm on the same side, great food for thought from this video but I'm waiting to see Guts get consumed by the armor and then Shrieke will need to use the Forbidden Flora Style: Revival No Jutsu
Here my theory: If we look back at the egg of the perfect world it sacrificed the world ( no really ig) but a sacrifice mark was shown on the ground. What I'm thinking is if guts ever uses it his gonna sacrifice his blade, his blade murdered countless apostles maybe it developed some consciousness or somethin idk I'm outs.
I love though how guts is rage snaps him out of every other emotion at certain points which is also why I believe it makes his berserker armor even more powerful than he probably should be..
I think its not entirely impossible that Guts might sacrifice Griffith, nothing has said the god hand cant be sacrificed but what is said is that you have to sacrifice someone you have strong emotional connection with. Guts may not love Griffith but he definitely has an emotional connection to him. This might be the only way Guts can kill Griffith but have moon boy live as they are two separate souls in the same body.
@@SalmonForYourLuckI can see that being an actual choice and the only person he would actually sacrifice because if it wasn't Griffith/ Femto Guts wouldn't sacrifice innocents or his friends
I always imagined that Void sits back and watches Griffith pulling strings, then looks down at his own hands and Void has Griffith dancing by the strings attached to Voids hand
what? whos to say that the giving over of a behelit isnt part of causality itself? I do not believe that it would 'transfer owner ship'. like it says quite literally in the manga, is the person who is holding onto it the intended user, or are they just holding onto it unless it slips from their possession and finds its way to the person who it is meant for
I wonder what Guts apostle form would be, obviously it’s going to be a hell hound/Wolf like abomination- but, would he be like Zod? Or some abstract grotesque like apostle, similar to The Count?
Literally the only RUclipsr I’ve ever heard bring up the behelit. It felt like everyone else doing commentary on berserk forgot about that key piece guts still Carries.
You're probably thinking about 1987 anime and Griffith's vision during eclipse, that's where old woman is shown to be godhand in disguise, i don't remember if it also happened in manga tho
By the way... What happens with a Behelit after the eclipse? Is it "consumed" by it or what happens? Because if it is consumed, then it means that all the Behelits the Skullknight swallowed didnt fullfill their destiny as they became part of his sword... I am really curious what this Skullknight Behelit interaction is all about.
I really do believe this Behelit might get activated by Guts, with how low he is getting in 370. I don't think he will use it in any of near future chapters, but I think it will play a role of some kind in the future considering Guts still has it among his other items.
Guts’s behelit is the key for him to turn the table. Guts being sacrificed already, branded, and surviving puts him in a different league as any other of the apostles when using it. I believe that he will be affected différently also thanks to the berserker armor, and his position will be linked to causality, as like skull knight, he’s shown that he is the antithesis of the god hand, and like SK will be able to harness it’s power to different end.
I don't think Griffith wants to torture Casca, at least directly, as that would be too simple. I'm certain he plans to weaponize her multifaceted feelings towards himself -- devotional, romantic, parental (as disgusting as it is), forcing her to face an impossible choice between the two. By doing so, Griffith wants to make it seem like he's literally everything to her, while Guts doesn't matter and never mattered in the first place. Which is has a full potential to destroy Guts emotionally.
Recent chapter shows that casca just doesn't want to be with Griffith at all. She cries because she was taken from Guts and friends by force. That with the trauma of eclipse just crushed her ideal vision of griffith
@@dumbfoundedkiryu9468 That is true. However, it also looks like she still has a lot of conflicting feelings towards Griffith, at least unconsciously, as shown in the "Arrival" and "Immutable" chapters. She still loves her son, the Moonlight Boy, and senses his presence in Griffith. She seems confused and disoriented, which is a common responce to abuse, especially if perpetrated by a loved one. But I'm glad she is finally processing those feelings and fighting back, it means she's recovering. Still, knowing that Griffith is a master manipulator, I'm sure he'll find a way to twist it in the most heartbreaking way possible, to target Guts specifically. He has always perceived Casca as a mere pawn in his games. We'll see though.
@@vlst8715 I just hope she doesnt get fridged again. There was no good reason to make her so lacking in agency compared to Guts and Griffith to begin with, if they screw her over again after all these years? Urgh...
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 yep, my exact thoughts right there. Being the strong female warrior who has to deal with her own set of struggles is the entire point of her character. I personally see Casca going through the individuation process and becoming completely independent in the next chapters. I think that was the Idea, at least I can see the plot moving in that direction. A moment (ok, a couple of arcs) of weakness would make a stark contrast between the two states and really drive the point home.
talking about gut's place being a hellfire scape made me imagine them doing a recreation of the campfire of dreams scene, with guts on top of a hill with the behelit, and then the campfires starting lighting up under him one by one until it becomes a forest fire that surrounds everything but his hill that reminds on the dark
This is my theory. Griffith wants gutts and casca and is building a kingdom for them all. If gutts used one it would be at the center of Griffiths kingdom-destroying everything Griffith has worked and sacrificed for. A kind of ultimate revenge story with the elements of the themes Nietzsche’s Philosophy of time being a flat circle coming together. A creation of another Skull Knight and Void.
@@jojijojo3566 All signs point to Griffiths new kingdom (where he has gathered all the remaining humans) is just another set up for an eclipse. Griffith will sacrifice them all i believe.
@@jojijojo3566 not quite… Remember when did Griffith’s crimson activate? Was it the first thing that triggers it that makes it so or is it the desire at the end? “I wish for a kingdom” the gunshot. “I wish for Guts” the billet exiting the barrel. Which is when the wish is granted/fired?
I really do hope we get to see what happens with that behelit, whether guts is truly the one its destined for or if he's going to find out the one who is along the way.
Dunno if it can be activated again. And not sure if it really still belongs to someone. The behelit is from some guy who died already. Only maybe if behelits switch owners after the last owner dies.
It can surely be activated again that’s for sure we’ve seen it with the count who activated it twice and I believe behelits are things that goes around and not something that is used by one person otherwise we should have seen at least one behelit change drastically in appearance or even be destroyed when use but that did not happen,they just stay around until someone else picks it up like guts did whith the count. Yet I do agree that it is very unlikely that it belongs to guts, he is already a sacrifice himself destiny does not apply to him and that’s how they work, it might be for someone very close to him tho,like serpico maybe who could very well find himself in a deep emotional state if anything happens to his half sister.
I found mine at the lowest point in a drought-stricken riverbed in the Kern River of all places! We brought our friend, and he auspiciously suggested we stick our hands down in the riverbed, under large boulders, to see if we can find treasures. I was astounded when I found a small egg shaped stone with bizarre faces on it. I immediately went to my wife and said these words, "I found it. The egg of the conqueror." She just casually replied, "Oh good!" hahaha.
From what I've heard, one interpretation is that the Berserker Armor is Guts' "equivalent" to the Behelit - a counterpart - offering great power at a cost, but the cost is to HIMSELF instead of others
REALLY like the part of Grifith wanting to tale over the God Hand which we know is possible since the god hand facing Skullhead back in time was completemy different (except vois who was already there)
Wow it definitely never occurred to me that Griffith might be planning to overthrow the Godhand and even the idea of evil itself, but it really does make a lot of sense. We’ve never seen him bond with them in any sort of way, meaning they aren’t his “friends” nor do they fit his definition of a friend; an equal. And I really don’t think Griffith is at all satisfied with Falconia and being the messiah king of the humans. That was the dream but G is all ambition and there’s just no way he can be content and live stagnant, and besides, he’s clearly planning something, whatever it is, he’s certainly been making some of the grandest causality plays imaginable for any human or Apostle. His machinations seem to be the biggest single influence on the
The idea about Griffiths intentions makes sense, even Guts said, now that Griffith has achieved his dream, he will pursue even bigger goals, as he can not stop
this is actually pretty cute but depressing when i imagine it. guts, the strongest in the group sacrifices himself just so the others can overpower griffith. even though this is probably not the case i think its a really odd and unique way of countering griffith
Sooo, were at chapter 371, Guts is in actual despair, he is going over memories of his sword after it failed him, something you could call an essential part of him his whole life (conceptually, because I know Dragonslayer was made well into his adulthood). A vortex has appeared right by the ship pulling it down just before cutting to Griffith. There's a panel of Guts sinking naked into an abyss, very similar to a certain panel of Griffith during the Eclipse... Although now he knows he has no chance of defeating the godhand. I'm sure there will be intense temptation to sacrifice this dependence on the sword/his strength somehow. Guts cares about his friends, but there's a sense of distance and they're not a chore part of his identity, so I don't think they would even be eligible sacrifices. I think Guts will be severely tempted to make a sacrifice of some sort to become strong enough to defeat the Godhand and rescue Casca. Do I think he'll do it? Not at all. But it will be a huge turning point in the story.
This is really insightful theory, in light of the new chapter 378, with the presence of Slan invading the Kushan empire. This might be to get guts at his lowest. To turn him to the darkness. Guts has to remember the the fight he had with Griffith on the hill of swords His clarity of mind. Facing Griffith with no hate or anger. Hate and anger are the weapons Guts uses to defend the people he loves. But it devours his soul aswell. The key is love. Love has the power to combat fate (the God hand), as we see with the count, who ended up sacrificing himself for the sake of his daughter How will Guts employ love? Well he has been given a chance to love his greatest enemy, Because now his child and his enemy are one person This realisation will transform Guts outlook on his reality. Learning to love and save the moonlight boy will be how he triumphs over Griffith.
I wonder, can guts sacrifice himself?. More specified a part of him that's important since he is already a sacrifice from a different summon of the God hand. It could be interesting to see him sacreficing himself to get a power up. That Will give a reason why skull knight: Save guts after geting the mark of sacrifice Didnt kill the count. So guts could inherit the beherit (like in Harry Potter. If You kill the owner or disarm him, the Magic wand it's now yours) (My English is not good sorry)
That's what Gaiseric did, it divided him in two entities and his soul was saved into the armour, while his physical form was possessed by his evil side , separated from him. It's Zodd.
If I recall correctly, Guts can't be used as a sacrifice anymore, since he is already branded for another sacrifice. Also, the Godhand will only accept sacrifice of something one holds dearly. Looking at Guts, I don't think he cares for his own well being at this point. He only has two things in mind Casca's wellbeing, and making Griffith pay. In that order.
@@reign1594 true, and maybe that is because he knows he is the only one who can ensure Casca's safety, so by extension he has to live and continue to fight in order for him to continue to protect her. She is also branded afterall. I think that would be the case that if Casca were to die, I'm willing to bet Guts would just become an empty shell of a man seeking vengeance, much like the SkullKnight. Also, I went back and read the last chapter of the black swordsman arc just to make sure. The Godhand mentions that apart from not being a worthy sacrifice, Guts is already marked, and can't be sacrificed by the count.
What if the Behelit can summon the Elemental Kings instead of the God Hand? Like he chooses self sacrifice over sacrificing others and it ends up in an entirely different ritual.
@@Ekdrink We don't know how they were made, what they can do, or what its purpose is. Behelits are a complete wild card. What we do know about them is that they come from the deepest part of the astral realm, they were around long before the God Hand, and that they can be used to summon and sacrifice. That's it.
@@Ekdrink Even in the lost chapter, the one where Griffith meets the Idea of Evil, the Behelits go unexplained. The God Hand only uses the Behelits as their tools. In fact, upon re-reading it, I've discovered that Sacrifice might not be part of what a Behelit original purpose is for. Void is the one who initiates the sacrificial procedures. I think it may be a spell the original God Hand Members made and passed down through the times.
@@aaronstrerk5521 well isn’t that kinda obvious? We’ve been told behelits just open a path into the astral realm allowing the godhand to be seen/summoned by flora in pretty sure and been shown that void uses the invocation of doom for the sacrifice.
I think something similar should happen, in the last chapter, Guts, despaired so much that his only power, his sword, could not somehow harm Griffith, that he sank into himself on the ship, that a whirlpool began under their ship
the last part about the location of using the behelit of count being in a staircase maze and griffith with bunch of faces on the ground, thats something ive never noticed.
Haunting imagery. Griffith is standing on the pained nameless faces of nobodies that he has built his entire ambition on. He owes THEM everything in a way. I wonder what the significance of Skullknight and Voids Eclipse was all about. Tons of tentacles and black hairy looking apostles (?)
In my dumbed down head cannon fantasy, if Guts ever uses the behelit, his sacrifice would be the beast of darkness, aka his true inner self. Yes the most care he shows is for casca but it’s his true inner self that he clings to. His entire life he’s clung to the sword fueled by that darkness inside of him, which has kept him alive, it is the one thing be ultimately relies upon. If upon activation he could not chose Casca as a sacrifice even if he wanted to, one since she’s already marked, and also the casca he is in love with is long gone, even after the fantasia arc. The only thing Guts has to sacrifice is what truly has been his reason to live, and that’s the dark fighting spirit within him. And who knows, if that’s how it is then maybe a “happy” ending is plausible, Guts relinquishing his beast and a chance to live in peace, maybe even with casca eventually. But this is berserk, Guts and happy endings don’t seem to go together.
3:17 Wow, good job! I never put 2 and 2 together that *THAT* fortune teller is the one who gifted Griffith the Crimson Behelit. I wonder if Puck saw it when he was traveling with that troupe?
Slan is called by skull knight "princess of the uterine sea". I think someone has to birth behelits into existence and the fact that skull knight can prime them could only mean the godhand can use them too as they will.
15:30 sorry but on this one- I think it was confirmed that place was the realm of one of the godhand members. It could relate to the user's mental state, but as was as we know- the realm is one relating to an already existing dimension.
I just thought of something... What if, and bear with me... What if he is forced to use it against Griffith, by using it to sacrifice his son since they exist in the same vessel?
@@The-Black-Death simple guts will sacrifice his human body or the dragonslayer. Guts extremely love casca and casca love his son. If guts sacrifice his son. Casca will hate gut forever.
@@AbdulKarim-ks2uf You're not making any sense here... What if she was already dead or Guts is literally forced to as his last option? You seem to forget that the child has been protecting them all this time, and that's the main reason why Griffith can't kill Casca or Guts, since the soul and body he fused with would never allow it. How Behelits work is that you sacrifice somebody you love or loved for the sake of power, and you need to also feel hatred for this person as well, which is why Guts couldn't be sacrificed by the Count since he didn't even know Guts. It is also highly likely that the Godhand won't stand Griffith to some point and would be more than happy to betray him if they saw him as unfit to be among them, especially now with him being fused and hampered by the Child.
YOU FOOLS!!! Guts will never use the Behelit, he would only activate it and then deny sacrificing whoever it is he should or would supposed to. Throughout the story Guts and Griffith have always been opposites of each other, Griffith being a false idol and Guts being an Ubermensch. Their is no way in hell that Guts wouldn't activate the Behelit because it would be a perfect time/opportunity to contrast him to Griffith.
My not so good theory: I believe there is a high possibility Guts uses his behelit to fight Griffith and possibly the God hand. 1st Reasoning: Guts is in a point of utter defeat. Was humiliated by Griffith's beyond strength/capability. What guts witnessed on elfhelm after casca got her conscious back. The joy and happiness guts saw from a distance of casca enjoying her life with guts' gang. He would use the behelit to sacrifice what he holds most dear.. his dragon slayer sword... so casca would be able to live a life of enjoyment. Sacrifice Reasoning: A bit far fetched of guts using his behelit and sacrificing his sword but is it not a possibility? The time he wasnt by his sword during his stay at Godo's cave when he came back for casca... after not sleeping for days if not weeks but yet still was unable to sleep without his sword by his side. Continuing 1st Reasoning: Casca is unable to live a life with guts without the "PTSD". Guts knows this. I believe he's going to turn himself what he hates most so he could potentially kill the person he hates most. Making it the ultimate sacrifice...if that makes sense :/ Please reply if you have any questions with my not so good theory. Its a lot more clear in my head than what I'm typing down :/
I don't think people can use inanimate objects for a sacrifice remember the egg didn't have a person so he had to use himself.I believe the sacrifice has to be a person so that it would carry some emotional weight and remove the persons humanity.
@@AbdulKarim-ks2uf I'm not so sure about that. It's not impossible that another dragonslayer could be built.And we have never seen sacrifices been anything other than humans.I just can't imagine the sword being branded and devoured by apostles lol.
It was such a great topic of debate back in the day ~ circa 2008... And still is. The amount of MAL forums I started is actually horrifying lol... We came to the three main questios. 1- can a sacrifice make a sacrifice? 2- can you sacrifice an already chosen sacrifice? 3- the owner is definitely either one of guts' gang... Or the new band of the hawk, Rickert's... Omg Muira sensei is such mastermind... Giving such a huge power up and a key element... early on... Just wow.
I think the implication is that the Behlits always end up in the hands they were supposed to. The count didn't accept the offer because Guts was fated to take it. Whether that's because it's going to tansfer him to someone else or because he's going to use it, we don't know yet. Though it's most likely that he will use it and be confronted with the choice of submitting to causality and accepting the beast of darkness, or choose to swim up stream.
i love the theory that in order to kill griffith, guts needs to get rid of his own monsterosity in him including the berzerker armor. after all, it was stated that to kill a monster you need to become one, but to kill a god, you need to be a man.
When I think about it, the Guts+ Behelith is accurate representation of trauma... When you see the person or similar people, or even similar behaviour "your behelith will almost form face"to basically showcase, how much you are damaged, by the trauma... And let me tell you... I don't know with one is worst, being betrayed by spose or betrayed by community or both... But this much is pretty it , this is the feeling... Just something small and if it is not healed or it is relatively new, it can sent you to despair... Cool one... I didn't realise it before... Really nice 🙂.
Usually, it’s used to sacrifice other humans. Guts sacrificing his human self, the rest of his body and memories, that’s something else. We know that he can harm griffith since he can now cut griffith’s hair with the dragon slayer… soo yeah it’s peculiar
@@lonewanderer1328 I wouldn’t like that at all guts becoming a demon or whatever would ruin him for me it’s one of his most crucial parts of his character
@@Mr.Faust3 there are a few options to using it while staying human. First is just using it and not accepting the deal. If he sacrifices himself it could be that it would supersede Griffiths brand of sacrifice its unclear if he'd turn into an apostle. If he sacraficed the beast of darkness/ his personal vengence/ dream would he become a hawk of light. Theres a theory that the dragonslayer might be able to intrigrate it perhaps
@@S_GaisericThe premise of the topic is related to guts finding a way to kill Griffith, the theme of a human against powerful forces was nullified when the god hand first appeared . The plot has moved beyond human capabilities. Gods, Armour made by dwarves, skull knight, trolls, elemental gods . You're silly if you believe Guts won't get an upgrade as an outcome of magic which by the way he already has . If guts is a fish his foes are sharks and giant squids.
@@theoriginalrudeboy2916 “F you. I’m human. the real deal, right down to the f*n’ marrow of my bones. Don’t lump me together with you monsters.” this was in the Guts vs Ganishka , not so far in the past , This is one of the reasons I beleive Guts will never become an apostle . About killing Griffith he already gave up on that and retired to Elfhelm , and kinda made peace with it , now that Casca is taken away from him , and he is in the pit of despair , no one can really predict the outcome of Guts , will he give in again to his shadow and become rage , will he become a passive nihilist or will he find a new meaning and rise in a new unexpected way , we will see , but Guts alone won't be able to kill any god , Sk has been forever and he couldn't do shit to void . The god hand were born from the collective conscience , and to kill them means to change the very thing that created them , much like Nietzche's famous quote 'God is dead we killed him"
@@S_Gaiseric "Griffith : if bazuzu's axe wasn't cracked you would've lost your head : Guts - probably" in essence this indicates his conviction to do anything, face the odds 100 to 1… whatever it takes .Even if they unite their forces i don't see how they will confront the HAND, unless of course we're up for some lazy writing . Him becoming an Apostle out of desperation doesn't seem far fetched to his character and to the whole story at large . That being said, i too don't wish the plot to take the easy route by allowing him to become a monster but as Dracula said " sometimes the world no longer needs a hero sometimes what it needs is a monster " Or perhaps As jordan Peterson puts it " Be a monster an absolute monster and then learn how to contol it "
@@takerukurosawa2337 because as stated multiple times a behelit travels by causality. Think of it like this, the person who held on to Griffiths crimson behelit before him was carrying it for him & Vice versa. I don’t think Guts will use it, but that doesn’t mean anyone else in the group won’t.
@@christianyanto818 Spoiler Alert 🚨 * In the latest chapters it proved Guts will need a major power boost somehow to even touch Griffith. After all this time, the DragonSlayer can only whisk away a single strand of hair. I hope somehow the Berserker armor will be under his full control, but that’s only physical damage.
@@Soul_Removal ya ik about that but guts is an exception maybe he can activate even if the behelit is not his, bc guts was fated to be dead when he was born but he defied the fate and lived on, well we don't know yet let's just wait for future chapters
Hey, bros! Just a comment on the beherit/behelit matter:
Beherit is the Syriac word Satan.
ベヘリット (beheritto) is the original name in Japanese, wherein the letters "R" and "L" are interchangeable.
All the best and happy new year!!!
Well that’s dark
Just saw the your comment! Thanks for explaining. Great video 👍
Thanks for the explanation this was a great video but seeing as everyone uses the other name can you please say behelit
Sounds spanish behelitto.
Behelit. Bae- Lit. Just say Behelit.
So I just wanted to add something here. I'm like 99% sure you can't just hand someone your behelit and then poof its theirs. Pretty sure every single one is destined for a single person. And no matter where you leave it, where you lost it, or who you give it too. When its time, the behelit will be there for them to use at their lowest point of despair.
Right. It's not that the previous owners of the behelits transferred it to Griffith, the count, etc. They were already destined to get the behelits, and the ones they got it from were just carriers.
Yes
Guts looks in despair as casca flies away lmao
Not trying to be a duck but you practically regurgitated what we are told specifically got not qualms fully agree
And this is exactly why it is a prize artifact amongst lucrative antique salesman
Guts doesn’t fear death. He fears that he might not kill Griffith BEFORE he dies.
That's actually pretty sad when you think about it. All his new friends and relationships mean nothing then.
Guts just too angry to die
I mean you could also say he afraid he’d leave Casca again. Very well is both probably since he’s always riding that line
I wonder if he'd sacrifice Casca for a chance at Griffith..
@@curtisnewsom4564 hell no lol
I always thought that Guts could defy fate because he was born from a dead mother. He shouldn’t have been born but was, so he can go against fate because was born outside it.
Such an interesting take
Really good point ngl
Guts was suppose to die at that moment . The causality never took account of Guts being born. He was suppose to be death but didn't. Lets see,that guts never born . The band of the hawk would've been massacred completely at the eclipse including casca. Since, Guts was born against the causality. He never goes along with the fate or destiny written for him
@@mukundan1607without Guts Griffith wouldn’t have been in a situation where he needed to use the Behelit tho
@@haydenrhead7692 This isnt entirely true tho, he just wouldnt have used it at THAT moment, without guts the band of the hawk likely wouldve been slaughtered at doldrey, or even earlier by Zodd, what im trying to say is its likely griffiths dream would have been crushed sooner or later without guts
Interesting theory and I could imagine Griffith actually thinking he could play the world like a chess set, Godhand included. But, the beauty will lie in how Guts would react to whatever Griffith throws his way. Guts has always been Griffith's uncontrollable chess piece. Even if Griffith does everything mentioned, Guts will probably find a way to defy him, still. Man vs god. fish vs river.
well said🤝
Great comment.
A fish can destroy a eco system and destroy the river that way.
Very solid comment 💯
Well said. but wouldn’t you say that in a way griffith can predict guts and even skull knight. Not sure what chapter but when Guts went on his own in the battle field and after apologized to griffith but even he said he predicted he would have done something like that. With skull knight when he used the sword of actuation on griffith. but he was waiting on skull knight to arrive. just playing devil advocate.
If Guts activates it. It will be used as a portal to the God Hand. Guts is the exact opposite of Griffith, he would never sacrifice anyone. Guts becoming an apostle is out of the question.
He'd sacrifice himself ngl but who knows who it's ment for
@Reign the difference between them is guts didn't give up struggling that's why his beherit hasn't activated yet. It only activates when you give up and let yourself be consumed by evil to help your self.
@Reign wait when did he torture a father, and he used children as bait during lost children arc right?
@@jerichopagtama6771 we like the idea that Guts cannot be broke, but is this true?
@@jaydenjoseph6648 the tortured father he talks is the Slug count.
If the behelit is actually guts this means we haven't yet seen him at his lowest point which is scary to think about xd
Oh boy this aged well
@@semi5141 still even that he is on his lowest point the behereet didint got activated meaning that the current state of guts not even his lowest💀
this aged too well.
This is still aging.
@@Black_Mehhe need blood on it to activate
Guts will never use the behelit, he hates behelits, apostles, god hand, griffith more than anything. No way he would ever use that power and beg the god hand for strenght to become like those monsters.
Unless he uses the behelit in some way to power up the dragonslayer like skull knight.
I could totally see Gut's thirst for revenge against Griffith driving him to use the behelit. I would love to see a twist like that
Godhand slayer 🤟🏻
The idea is that he could summon the hand of god without accepting the sacrifice. The two planes of existence would still merge and that would give him the opportunity to fight them
I agree with the opinion of Tranquil. I believe Griffith will push guts over the edge (much like he did during the Eclipse). If Griffith can push Guts to that state once again, Guts will activate the behelit just to get at Griffith.
yeah, i agree a lot.
just adding on, the behelit also ruins the berserker armor for me imo. guts wont have a use for the berserker armor if he becomes an apostle.
but i do ask, guts is branded. will he even be able to become an apostle when hes branded?
If Guts uses the Behelit I think it would undermine the entire theme of the story. Which is perseverence in defiance of Fate.
The bas ending would be guts accepting the deal, turning into the astral manifestation of the Beast of Darkness, and the good ending would be him using it to then break the course of Causality, refusing the deal and killing the God Hand
@@adamgauthier6907 My man if you turn down the deal you get dragged into the abyss anyway.
We want it to be perseverance in the defiance of fate, but the manga over and over again proves history repeats itself, even for a character like Guts he’s made similar mistakes that have happened unto him (ex. SA) and he’s painfully human.
We can only hope for the best.
we know that miura planned a happy ending for guts guys, chill aint nothing bad happening soon or later
@@thequestbro it really depends, bc that’s if you actively refuse the deal. If Guys were to accept the deal, but prevent the sacrifice from occurring, he’d have a direct path to the God Hand immediately
Griffith's Crimson Behelit wasn't transferred to him, it was always going to end up with him, the old woman that gave it to him was just fated to be there to hand it over. And the stone itself doesn't have much power, it is just a key that grants the fated wielded an audience with the Godhand. Unlike the mark of sacrifice, behelits do not attract dark energy or apostles. Which is why so many of them are just casually hanging around until that fated moment is meant to occur. What's interesting is that sometimes, especially for important events, there seems to be a special moment (usually recognized in hindsight) where the acquisition is meant to happen, and other times it is just random.
For example the Egg of the Perfect World received his behelit just when he was about to be crushed by the weight of the decaying bodies being thrown on him. It just showed up there. Griffith's crimson behelit got a special moment where it was given to him, but when it it was time to be activated at the eclipse it just showed up out of nowhere. So you could say it violates causality in some ways, but then it *is* causality in a larger sense. They are kind of like the ultimate grandfather paradox, in that the universe (or Idea of Evil) just sets it up in a way where it gets people and things to be where they need to be, to ensure the fated path of events happens. Sometimes it pretty logic ways, but then in other it just creates shortcuts.
I think that is why the apostles after their ascension pretty much get to do whatever they want, and the Godhand don't really bother them, because when the times comes they will do what needs to done regardless of their desire to do it. Like chess pieces on a board.
Always thought the fortune tellers that gave away the behelit were familiars to the Godhand and they gave the behelit out to whoever was worthy of becoming demonic
The old lady was Conrad and ubik in disguise they handed it to him personally so they already new he was gonna join them 🤟
@@Vile69666 I don’t think that’s the case. For the story to work, much like the Count, it genuinely needed to be Griffith’s choice. The Godhand can influence events, like making sure things are in the right place, but they don’t take such a direct role. I think when we saw the old woman during the eclipse it was just Ubik showing him the memory.
It's not random, it waits until the very last moment that's also the most intense point of desperation etc. Right?
@@ezeqeel8352 Yeah. there's nothing random about it. It all seems to happen at the most traumatic moment in a person's life.
The Godhand visited Griffith while he was imprisoned and told him that their formal meeting would happen soon. The crimson behelit is a bit weird in that it must coincide with an eclipse, which are cosmological events that happen independently of what takes places on the Earth itself. So it's difficult to say it was "waiting", the eclipse had to happen when it did, and Griffith had to be in a state to make that choice. Did casualty structure events in such a way to him in the state where he would. I dunno. Suppose the original Band of the Hawk did not rescue him before the eclipse, would he still have sacrificed them, if he wasn't given that huge emotional jolt? I dunno.
I think it was important to the story to show in the story of the Count that beyond creating that moment, the meeting of the Godhand, it does seem to be a rare moment of true free will for the holder, as the count chose not to sacrifice his daughter, and as a result was dragged into the abyss.
If guts activated it he will probably merge with his armour, incredibly op and incredibly unstable.
Truly berserk
Take a shot every time he says "Behereet"
Beherit is the actual Japanese translation of the word. Behelit was the localized version, because in Japan the Ls and Rs are essentially one in the same
Goddamn it's annoying lol
@@nicklemay8056 well Behelit sounds a lot better to me.
@@martinditz6448 yeah I think behelit sounds a bit better
seeing the word spelled without an R and him saying it with one bothered me so much
Guts and Casca exist outside of Causality. Kind of the point why their sacrificial brands are constantly dragging in enemies to kill them, each moment of their existence goes against causality.
They aren't outside causality skull knight describes them as between worlds capable of much like a fish swimming upstream they can leap from the waters of causality briefly but are ultimately still subject to it they just are a bit more free then others they are capable of making minor change but not truly alter fate
I think Guts will be the first example of a Behelit activating and being rejected . Plus it could happen sooner than we think, Guts right now is pretty low and may be overwhelmed with fear when he lost casca again.
The count activated his Behelit and refused to sacrifice his daughter so it wouldn’t be the first time.
@@olivershawen3503 oh shit yeah , rookie error by me
Its implied not using it just gets you sent to the abyss
@@nickytheanimal2413the reason the count was sent to the abyss after rejecting the sacrifice was because he was going to die and when apostles die they all get dragged down like how we see with wylad in the golden age arc
It’s interesting that Griffith was saved from an arrow using a behelit (object) and everyone saw it, while Guts was saved from an arrow by chitch (life), however no one saw it.
no not rly
What chitch?
@@RafaelMarques01 the flower spirit i dont remember the chpter
@@Ghos7king Chapter 329 "The Spring Blossoms of another Day (2)" Edit: Chitch is introduced in 329 and the bolt (not arrow) scene is in 330.
Yeah i remember it now...
I highly doubt he was afraid of death I think he was afraid of not being able to get his revenge/save Griffith and protect Casca anymore.
I think that if guts were to use the behelit, his apostle form would be his beast of darkness
With the dragon slayer as a part of him like the lance dude from the band of the hawk/demon version or the dude with a bow and arrow that is oboisvly connwcted tk him in some way
Imagine Guts as a freaking apostle… He would kill Zodd with one arm
@@Crusher888 Lol it wouldnt even be a fight
@Happy Kev yeeees
I always thought, if Guts were to use the behelit that, he’d fuse with his armour and look really similar to the godhand in appearance,
If Griffith is God
Then Guts will be the Devil
Of the Apostle world.
The only person who knows what is happening currently is Skull Knight, nobody else...should look at him more as the main protagonist in the next few arcs, I personally hope the story is not dragged too long maybe for another year or 2 max...and also dont rush it such that guts becomes saitama or goku overnight
Yeah my only beef is that the apostle generals for the Band have to get killed at something and I hope it isn't all at once or rushed
I don’t two years Think that is enough time for one chapter a month to finish the story
Are you on crack? 1-2 years is too short to wrap up berserk. I give it 5 yrs minimum
Its gonna at least take 200 chapters to finish the story so it will take around 15 years to finish
@@farazfaaliyan1763 kind sad some this story has outlived some people.
The problem with your theory is in the manga I've only ever seen that the behelit's end up where they're destined to be, at the exact moment they're needed. But the Slug count does offer the more feasible idea that any betchy can be used by anyone, and it's dark magic inevitably leads the bearer down a dark road by influencing them and others close by. I like this idea that "causality" isn't Fate, it merely masquerades as inevitable, and anyone who refused to sacrifice simply ended up dead or irrelevant/insane so to all outside observer's it seems that they must not have been destined to use it it's like saying everything dies, you can't disprove it because you would have to die in order to refute it if you came back to life well then you're not dead yet.
I like this a lot. Sounds right in line considering Berserk's themes.
It reminds me of the Dark Souls theory that the game's antagonist has manipulated history by spreading a fake legend that convinces humans to sacrifice themselves.
betchy
Wyald for certain believed he would be able to use Griffiths beherit to summon the Godhand when he was mortally wounded.
Yeah the behelit belongs to one owner and can change hands but will always end up with its rightful owner.
@@jamesleon4883here’s the problem when guts was facing slan of the god hand his behlit started to take shape
Also it likes cheese
Everyone: oh its Guts', oh its Casca's
Me an intellectual:
The behelit is meant for Puck 🗿
It’s disguised as a joke but I think it’s the truth
Exactly
I wonder if the Behelit actually belongs to the Dragonslayer? In japanese culture swords have souls and seeing as Gutz is the only one who wielded the Dragonslayer, the fear of losing Gutz could activate the Behelit.
makes some sense but who would the dragon slayer presumably sacrifice?
It's not just swords, EVERYTHING is believed to have its own soul in Shintoism. Even the smallest pebbles still have souls.
That's a really interesting perspective.
this would be cool, and unexpected as i dont think most would even think about this
wtf this would be sooooo good
Maybe it's just me, but it always felt to me like Guts didnt give much thought to the behelit, or that he may be used through causality as a vehicle for it. I thought Guts thought that it was the Counts behelit and since he's dead, the behelit is now an impotent relic.
Also, Guts as a sacrifice, can act outside of causality so I don't think he is destined to activate it
I think the only reason guts would use the behelit is to summon the godhand to him. To fight griffith 😂
@@Magmarr434 big moves 😂
@@Magmarr434 exactly that would be the reason and then he would slaughter them all in berserker mode
He wanted it to summon the god hand to kill them when the time was right.
I always thought of the behelits being very similar to skull knight. Not really pursuing anything or headed in a certain direction, but just getting strung along by time and fate for eternity. I never thought skull knight was traveling with a goal in mind, just that he wants to kill void whenever he seems them, or not searching for people to save, he just wants to save people when he runs into them
Since guts is already branded he can activate the behelit and sacrifice dragon slayer, he could get the God hand to powers up dragon slayer because of all the apostles he killed, basically gives him the ability to cut through space and causality, therefore he can kill the God hand members
You onto something
I mean, Schierke does talk about how she sees Guts and the Dragonslayers memories of their battles together when astral projecting, so it's clearly indicated that the Dragonslayer is more than an inanimate object and has become semi-alive apart from existing in both material and astral plane. But I'm also curious if at least some essence of Griffith is within the sword now, most probably left there with some intention of a future plan from him.
That's not how the sacrifice ceremony works dude. The God Hand need to agree to the terms of the thing being sacrificed, or nothing happens. If Guts was said: "let sacrifice my sword so I can kill you", they'd just say "lol no."
@@thechairman1306okay then the black swordsman party and skull knight will have to kill them they will need more buffs.
@@thechairman1306 or he says lets sacrifice my sword so you can prove yall arent pussies i dont think the god hand dont want their pride wounded 🤣
I support this take. Only that he'd find a way to summon them with it, and why each person's experience looks the way it does.
I loved that ending. With the theory about how the landscape changes depending what they are thinking. That was crazy. Great job dude
This was really interesting. A lot to think about. I feel Guts is more likely to be consumed by the armor than use the Behelit but it would be cool to see if he's tempted to use it.
Don’t Think he Can use it since he is branded
@@munken7673 Yeah I feel so too. That behelit Guts has is such a big mystery.
@@munken7673 I don't think that's mutually exclusive, lets not forget there WAS a branded apostle before... the Egg Apostle from Convictions exists, so maybe it is possible.
@@lordkilljoy9652 i don’t remember him being branded
I'm on the same side, great food for thought from this video but I'm waiting to see Guts get consumed by the armor and then Shrieke will need to use the Forbidden Flora Style: Revival No Jutsu
Here my theory: If we look back at the egg of the perfect world it sacrificed the world ( no really ig) but a sacrifice mark was shown on the ground. What I'm thinking is if guts ever uses it his gonna sacrifice his blade, his blade murdered countless apostles maybe it developed some consciousness or somethin idk I'm outs.
He did sacrifice the world… for himself. He was in isolation
your onto something
Guts better have one he'll of a devil fruit
He could sacrifice the Moonlight Boy......
wait, when using behelits you can also sacrifice items? i never knew this
I prefer the Behelit pronunciation. Also Skull Knight’s Behelit sword is red, not blue.
Can we finally see it activate ? What will Guts do?
He is gonna go berserk!
He'll never sacrifice casca bro
He will use it only to get closer to the mf godhamd
Hope he outright rejects it
@@K.A.R.I.M-c5j lets see
I love though how guts is rage snaps him out of every other emotion at certain points which is also why I believe it makes his berserker armor even more powerful than he probably should be..
I think its not entirely impossible that Guts might sacrifice Griffith, nothing has said the god hand cant be sacrificed but what is said is that you have to sacrifice someone you have strong emotional connection with. Guts may not love Griffith but he definitely has an emotional connection to him. This might be the only way Guts can kill Griffith but have moon boy live as they are two separate souls in the same body.
Wow i never thought about that
@@SalmonForYourLuckI can see that being an actual choice and the only person he would actually sacrifice because if it wasn't Griffith/ Femto Guts wouldn't sacrifice innocents or his friends
I'm surprised that Void and the Godhand don't seem to be wise to Griffith's machinations.
they probably are tbh idk abt the others but definitely void
Void most likely been caught he might be using him or just don’t care bc he already has all the power he can want
I always imagined that Void sits back and watches Griffith pulling strings, then looks down at his own hands and Void has Griffith dancing by the strings attached to Voids hand
Which sets up the path for them to grant Guts the power and position to kill Griffith.
All former godhand members died and void survived, I think void is still bigger then femto and femto is bigger then the other members
Hearing “beherret” is like nails on a chalkboard lmao.
First time I've ever heard anyone ever say anything other than "Bay-let".
@@ZephyrSean RIGHT!!!
Underrated comment, had to use cntrl + f to find this. There is no "r"
@@Kapkap117 dude is straight up saying Beh-let in Engrish. I would be kinda offended if I was Japanese 🤣🤣🤣😚
what? whos to say that the giving over of a behelit isnt part of causality itself? I do not believe that it would 'transfer owner ship'. like it says quite literally in the manga, is the person who is holding onto it the intended user, or are they just holding onto it unless it slips from their possession and finds its way to the person who it is meant for
I wonder what Guts apostle form would be, obviously it’s going to be a hell hound/Wolf like abomination- but, would he be like Zod? Or some abstract grotesque like apostle, similar to The Count?
I’d presume it’d literally just be The Beast of Darkness, like the one we see when it tortures guts with thoughts of killing casca.
Beast of darkness
I think he would look similar to how he looks with Berserk armor, just bigger, and more animal like. Can't imagine it precisely :D
Probably use some type of shadowy powers too. I actually want to see it.
Maliketh from elden ring
Literally the only RUclipsr I’ve ever heard bring up the behelit. It felt like everyone else doing commentary on berserk forgot about that key piece guts still Carries.
i dont belive a exchange manipulates the ownership of a behelit. i think the trade is a causality created by the behelit to find his owner.
I always wondered, was the old fortune teller actually Ubik? Or was that just him messing with the memory
Messing with the memory. The god hand couldn't take physical forms back then before the astral merge.
The OP suggests that the fortune teller that Puck was with in Volume 12, was the one who gave Griffith the Crimson Behelit. Eerie! 💀
You're probably thinking about 1987 anime and Griffith's vision during eclipse, that's where old woman is shown to be godhand in disguise, i don't remember if it also happened in manga tho
@@trill_nathan well normally they can’t, but in some places such as the cave they may be able to.
The dungeon does seem like such a place
@@kto6918 it did happen in the manga too
By the way... What happens with a Behelit after the eclipse? Is it "consumed" by it or what happens? Because if it is consumed, then it means that all the Behelits the Skullknight swallowed didnt fullfill their destiny as they became part of his sword... I am really curious what this Skullknight Behelit interaction is all about.
Maybe their destiny was to become the sword of actuation, which was needed to create falconia/fantasia
This just made Griffith a way more interesting villain than he already is...
I really do believe this Behelit might get activated by Guts, with how low he is getting in 370. I don't think he will use it in any of near future chapters, but I think it will play a role of some kind in the future considering Guts still has it among his other items.
Guts’s behelit is the key for him to turn the table. Guts being sacrificed already, branded, and surviving puts him in a different league as any other of the apostles when using it. I believe that he will be affected différently also thanks to the berserker armor, and his position will be linked to causality, as like skull knight, he’s shown that he is the antithesis of the god hand, and like SK will be able to harness it’s power to different end.
I don't think Griffith wants to torture Casca, at least directly, as that would be too simple. I'm certain he plans to weaponize her multifaceted feelings towards himself -- devotional, romantic, parental (as disgusting as it is), forcing her to face an impossible choice between the two. By doing so, Griffith wants to make it seem like he's literally everything to her, while Guts doesn't matter and never mattered in the first place. Which is has a full potential to destroy Guts emotionally.
Recent chapter shows that casca just doesn't want to be with Griffith at all. She cries because she was taken from Guts and friends by force. That with the trauma of eclipse just crushed her ideal vision of griffith
@@dumbfoundedkiryu9468 That is true. However, it also looks like she still has a lot of conflicting feelings towards Griffith, at least unconsciously, as shown in the "Arrival" and "Immutable" chapters. She still loves her son, the Moonlight Boy, and senses his presence in Griffith. She seems confused and disoriented, which is a common responce to abuse, especially if perpetrated by a loved one. But I'm glad she is finally processing those feelings and fighting back, it means she's recovering.
Still, knowing that Griffith is a master manipulator, I'm sure he'll find a way to twist it in the most heartbreaking way possible, to target Guts specifically. He has always perceived Casca as a mere pawn in his games. We'll see though.
@@vlst8715
I just hope she doesnt get fridged again. There was no good reason to make her so lacking in agency compared to Guts and Griffith to begin with, if they screw her over again after all these years? Urgh...
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 yep, my exact thoughts right there. Being the strong female warrior who has to deal with her own set of struggles is the entire point of her character.
I personally see Casca going through the individuation process and becoming completely independent in the next chapters. I think that was the Idea, at least I can see the plot moving in that direction. A moment (ok, a couple of arcs) of weakness would make a stark contrast between the two states and really drive the point home.
@@vlst8715
Honestly, it may still be too little too late, but I think I can accept it as closure if she gets to do something after all this time.
talking about gut's place being a hellfire scape made me imagine them doing a recreation of the campfire of dreams scene, with guts on top of a hill with the behelit, and then the campfires starting lighting up under him one by one until it becomes a forest fire that surrounds everything but his hill that reminds on the dark
0:34 this is cancer and you know it
I know, like bro just get to the vid😭
Saying “beherret” feels like saying noodles as nooders
Or Imagine, that Griffith wants Guts on his side again. He gives guts the opportunity to be his even. So he can call him a friend again.
This is my theory. Griffith wants gutts and casca and is building a kingdom for them all. If gutts used one it would be at the center of Griffiths kingdom-destroying everything Griffith has worked and sacrificed for. A kind of ultimate revenge story with the elements of the themes Nietzsche’s Philosophy of time being a flat circle coming together. A creation of another Skull Knight and Void.
@@jojijojo3566 All signs point to Griffiths new kingdom (where he has gathered all the remaining humans) is just another set up for an eclipse. Griffith will sacrifice them all i believe.
@@kuyt3400 yeah that’s what I’m saying
@@jojijojo3566 not quite…
Remember when did Griffith’s crimson activate?
Was it the first thing that triggers it that makes it so or is it the desire at the end?
“I wish for a kingdom” the gunshot.
“I wish for Guts” the billet exiting the barrel.
Which is when the wish is granted/fired?
@@silent_stalker3687 I didn’t ask.
I really do hope we get to see what happens with that behelit, whether guts is truly the one its destined for or if he's going to find out the one who is along the way.
Dunno if it can be activated again. And not sure if it really still belongs to someone. The behelit is from some guy who died already. Only maybe if behelits switch owners after the last owner dies.
It can surely be activated again that’s for sure we’ve seen it with the count who activated it twice and I believe behelits are things that goes around and not something that is used by one person otherwise we should have seen at least one behelit change drastically in appearance or even be destroyed when use but that did not happen,they just stay around until someone else picks it up like guts did whith the count. Yet I do agree that it is very unlikely that it belongs to guts, he is already a sacrifice himself destiny does not apply to him and that’s how they work,
it might be for someone very close to him tho,like serpico maybe who could very well find himself in a deep emotional state if anything happens to his half sister.
bro really sound like "🤓🤓"
Actually! ☝️🤓
hating ahh boy😂😂
I found mine at the lowest point in a drought-stricken riverbed in the Kern River of all places! We brought our friend, and he auspiciously suggested we stick our hands down in the riverbed, under large boulders, to see if we can find treasures. I was astounded when I found a small egg shaped stone with bizarre faces on it. I immediately went to my wife and said these words, "I found it. The egg of the conqueror." She just casually replied, "Oh good!" hahaha.
You don't have to be at deaths door, you just have to reach a moment of despair unlike any other.
I hope Kouji Mori knows the mind of Kentaro Miura very well. It’s amazing that we will get an end to the story.
I honestly feel like this is super spot on. Holy crap! It all lines up! Very nice work!
From what I've heard, one interpretation is that the Berserker Armor is Guts' "equivalent" to the Behelit - a counterpart - offering great power at a cost, but the cost is to HIMSELF instead of others
REALLY like the part of Grifith wanting to tale over the God Hand which we know is possible since the god hand facing Skullhead back in time was completemy different (except vois who was already there)
He'll activate it and sacrifice Casca for the final showdown 😈 I hope I'm not right
Bro… did you miss the last 20+ years of storytelling & character development? 0% chance Guts would ever sacrifice anyone but himself.
Like I previously iterated, I hope I'm not right ✌️
@@bearadactyl9998 yeah i hope you’re righ- uh I mean wrong 👿
Casca is already marked so is guts only sacrifice guts can do is his party
Wow it definitely never occurred to me that Griffith might be planning to overthrow the Godhand and even the idea of evil itself, but it really does make a lot of sense. We’ve never seen him bond with them in any sort of way, meaning they aren’t his “friends” nor do they fit his definition of a friend; an equal. And I really don’t think Griffith is at all satisfied with Falconia and being the messiah king of the humans. That was the dream but G is all ambition and there’s just no way he can be content and live stagnant, and besides, he’s clearly planning something, whatever it is, he’s certainly been making some of the grandest causality plays imaginable for any human or Apostle. His machinations seem to be the biggest single influence on the
for the record the cannon pronunciation seems to be "Bay-Lit" the Beherit thing is because japanese doesnt use L sounds.
becchi
Look man as long as he isn't saying Shrike or Quillfoth, I'm OK lol
The idea about Griffiths intentions makes sense, even Guts said, now that Griffith has achieved his dream, he will pursue even bigger goals, as he can not stop
I feel like guts unlike others won’t sacrifice his family and comrades but himself to save them giving him greater power then Griffith ever has.
this is actually pretty cute but depressing when i imagine it.
guts, the strongest in the group sacrifices himself just so the others can overpower griffith. even though this is probably not the case i think its a really odd and unique way of countering griffith
He already branded
Sooo, were at chapter 371, Guts is in actual despair, he is going over memories of his sword after it failed him, something you could call an essential part of him his whole life (conceptually, because I know Dragonslayer was made well into his adulthood). A vortex has appeared right by the ship pulling it down just before cutting to Griffith. There's a panel of Guts sinking naked into an abyss, very similar to a certain panel of Griffith during the Eclipse...
Although now he knows he has no chance of defeating the godhand. I'm sure there will be intense temptation to sacrifice this dependence on the sword/his strength somehow. Guts cares about his friends, but there's a sense of distance and they're not a chore part of his identity, so I don't think they would even be eligible sacrifices.
I think Guts will be severely tempted to make a sacrifice of some sort to become strong enough to defeat the Godhand and rescue Casca. Do I think he'll do it? Not at all. But it will be a huge turning point in the story.
This is really insightful theory, in light of the new chapter 378,
with the presence of Slan invading the Kushan empire.
This might be to get guts at his lowest.
To turn him to the darkness.
Guts has to remember the the fight he had with Griffith on the hill of swords
His clarity of mind. Facing Griffith with no hate or anger.
Hate and anger are the weapons Guts uses to defend the people he loves.
But it devours his soul aswell.
The key is love. Love has the power to combat fate (the God hand), as we see with the count,
who ended up sacrificing himself for the sake of his daughter
How will Guts employ love?
Well he has been given a chance to love his greatest enemy,
Because now his child and his enemy are one person
This realisation will transform Guts outlook on his reality.
Learning to love and save the moonlight boy will be how he triumphs over Griffith.
I wonder, can guts sacrifice himself?. More specified a part of him that's important
since he is already a sacrifice from a different summon of the God hand. It could be interesting to see him sacreficing himself to get a power up.
That Will give a reason why skull knight:
Save guts after geting the mark of sacrifice
Didnt kill the count. So guts could inherit the beherit (like in Harry Potter. If You kill the owner or disarm him, the Magic wand it's now yours)
(My English is not good sorry)
I really love this theory, plus what you said is actually legit
That's what Gaiseric did, it divided him in two entities and his soul was saved into the armour, while his physical form was possessed by his evil side , separated from him. It's Zodd.
If I recall correctly, Guts can't be used as a sacrifice anymore, since he is already branded for another sacrifice. Also, the Godhand will only accept sacrifice of something one holds dearly. Looking at Guts, I don't think he cares for his own well being at this point. He only has two things in mind Casca's wellbeing, and making Griffith pay. In that order.
@@figmenter but he fights for his own life and potential happiness, he cares about his life even if he doesn't acknowledge it
@@reign1594 true, and maybe that is because he knows he is the only one who can ensure Casca's safety, so by extension he has to live and continue to fight in order for him to continue to protect her. She is also branded afterall.
I think that would be the case that if Casca were to die, I'm willing to bet Guts would just become an empty shell of a man seeking vengeance, much like the SkullKnight.
Also, I went back and read the last chapter of the black swordsman arc just to make sure. The Godhand mentions that apart from not being a worthy sacrifice, Guts is already marked, and can't be sacrificed by the count.
What if the Behelit can summon the Elemental Kings instead of the God Hand? Like he chooses self sacrifice over sacrificing others and it ends up in an entirely different ritual.
Just not how they work lol
@@Ekdrink We don't know how they were made, what they can do, or what its purpose is. Behelits are a complete wild card. What we do know about them is that they come from the deepest part of the astral realm, they were around long before the God Hand, and that they can be used to summon and sacrifice. That's it.
@@aaronstrerk5521 in the lost chapter 83 I’m 99% they were the tears of a godhand
@@Ekdrink Even in the lost chapter, the one where Griffith meets the Idea of Evil, the Behelits go unexplained. The God Hand only uses the Behelits as their tools. In fact, upon re-reading it, I've discovered that Sacrifice might not be part of what a Behelit original purpose is for. Void is the one who initiates the sacrificial procedures. I think it may be a spell the original God Hand Members made and passed down through the times.
@@aaronstrerk5521 well isn’t that kinda obvious? We’ve been told behelits just open a path into the astral realm allowing the godhand to be seen/summoned by flora in pretty sure and been shown that void uses the invocation of doom for the sacrifice.
I think something similar should happen, in the last chapter, Guts, despaired so much that his only power, his sword, could not somehow harm Griffith, that he sank into himself on the ship, that a whirlpool began under their ship
the last part about the location of using the behelit of count being in a staircase maze and griffith with bunch of faces on the ground, thats something ive never noticed.
Haunting imagery. Griffith is standing on the pained nameless faces of nobodies that he has built his entire ambition on. He owes THEM everything in a way. I wonder what the significance of Skullknight and Voids Eclipse was all about. Tons of tentacles and black hairy looking apostles (?)
In my dumbed down head cannon fantasy, if Guts ever uses the behelit, his sacrifice would be the beast of darkness, aka his true inner self. Yes the most care he shows is for casca but it’s his true inner self that he clings to. His entire life he’s clung to the sword fueled by that darkness inside of him, which has kept him alive, it is the one thing be ultimately relies upon. If upon activation he could not chose Casca as a sacrifice even if he wanted to, one since she’s already marked, and also the casca he is in love with is long gone, even after the fantasia arc. The only thing Guts has to sacrifice is what truly has been his reason to live, and that’s the dark fighting spirit within him. And who knows, if that’s how it is then maybe a “happy” ending is plausible, Guts relinquishing his beast and a chance to live in peace, maybe even with casca eventually. But this is berserk, Guts and happy endings don’t seem to go together.
3:17 Wow, good job! I never put 2 and 2 together that *THAT* fortune teller is the one who gifted Griffith the Crimson Behelit. I wonder if Puck saw it when he was traveling with that troupe?
This was a great watch and I was super invested but lord have mercy if you didn’t absolutely *murder* the word behelit lol
Slan is called by skull knight "princess of the uterine sea".
I think someone has to birth behelits into existence and the fact that skull knight can prime them could only mean the godhand can use them too as they will.
To activate a Behelit you have to sacrifice what you care about the most. For Guts, that's Cazca.
If Cazca dies,it would revenge.
No , that wasnt . his dragonslayer was the most cared thing for him
15:30 sorry but on this one- I think it was confirmed that place was the realm of one of the godhand members. It could relate to the user's mental state, but as was as we know- the realm is one relating to an already existing dimension.
I just thought of something... What if, and bear with me... What if he is forced to use it against Griffith, by using it to sacrifice his son since they exist in the same vessel?
Gut's will not do such a thing.
@@adiabdul2502 How do you know and how else could it come into action then?
@@The-Black-Death simple guts will sacrifice his human body or the dragonslayer. Guts extremely love casca and casca love his son. If guts sacrifice his son. Casca will hate gut forever.
@@AbdulKarim-ks2uf You're not making any sense here... What if she was already dead or Guts is literally forced to as his last option? You seem to forget that the child has been protecting them all this time, and that's the main reason why Griffith can't kill Casca or Guts, since the soul and body he fused with would never allow it.
How Behelits work is that you sacrifice somebody you love or loved for the sake of power, and you need to also feel hatred for this person as well, which is why Guts couldn't be sacrificed by the Count since he didn't even know Guts. It is also highly likely that the Godhand won't stand Griffith to some point and would be more than happy to betray him if they saw him as unfit to be among them, especially now with him being fused and hampered by the Child.
i hear your spitting saliva through my headphone
YOU FOOLS!!! Guts will never use the Behelit, he would only activate it and then deny sacrificing whoever it is he should or would supposed to.
Throughout the story Guts and Griffith have always been opposites of each other, Griffith being a false idol and Guts being an Ubermensch. Their is no way in hell that Guts wouldn't activate the Behelit because it would be a perfect time/opportunity to contrast him to Griffith.
I feel like it doesn't matter who "owns" it, it will end up in the hands of who is meant to use it at the appointed time.
My not so good theory: I believe there is a high possibility Guts uses his behelit to fight Griffith and possibly the God hand.
1st Reasoning: Guts is in a point of utter defeat. Was humiliated by Griffith's beyond strength/capability. What guts witnessed on elfhelm after casca got her conscious back. The joy and happiness guts saw from a distance of casca enjoying her life with guts' gang. He would use the behelit to sacrifice what he holds most dear.. his dragon slayer sword... so casca would be able to live a life of enjoyment.
Sacrifice Reasoning: A bit far fetched of guts using his behelit and sacrificing his sword but is it not a possibility? The time he wasnt by his sword during his stay at Godo's cave when he came back for casca... after not sleeping for days if not weeks but yet still was unable to sleep without his sword by his side.
Continuing 1st Reasoning: Casca is unable to live a life with guts without the "PTSD". Guts knows this. I believe he's going to turn himself what he hates most so he could potentially kill the person he hates most. Making it the ultimate sacrifice...if that makes sense :/
Please reply if you have any questions with my not so good theory. Its a lot more clear in my head than what I'm typing down :/
I don't think people can use inanimate objects for a sacrifice remember the egg didn't have a person so he had to use himself.I believe the sacrifice has to be a person so that it would carry some emotional weight and remove the persons humanity.
@@chadcockbuster2702 Good point. But the egg had nothing and was nothing but himself to sacrifice. I still believe Guts’ will offer up his sword.
@@chadcockbuster2702 dragonslayer itself is a astra entity itself. But more likely kento miura did say guts become the thing he hate most.
@@AbdulKarim-ks2uf I'm not so sure about that. It's not impossible that another dragonslayer could be built.And we have never seen sacrifices been anything other than humans.I just can't imagine the sword being branded and devoured by apostles lol.
@@chadcockbuster2702 we will found it on chapter 369. Will even guts become a god hand or not.
It was such a great topic of debate back in the day ~ circa 2008... And still is. The amount of MAL forums I started is actually horrifying lol... We came to the three main questios.
1- can a sacrifice make a sacrifice?
2- can you sacrifice an already chosen sacrifice?
3- the owner is definitely either one of guts' gang... Or the new band of the hawk, Rickert's...
Omg Muira sensei is such mastermind...
Giving such a huge power up and a key element... early on... Just wow.
Isn't it pronounced BE HELL IT
“BaHERit” is crazy
guts is going kiss griffith
They gonna 69
Come out the closet bro
Um excuse you, Becchi is PUCK’s behelit! His favorite food is cheese!
I think the implication is that the Behlits always end up in the hands they were supposed to.
The count didn't accept the offer because Guts was fated to take it. Whether that's because it's going to tansfer him to someone else or because he's going to use it, we don't know yet. Though it's most likely that he will use it and be confronted with the choice of submitting to causality and accepting the beast of darkness, or choose to swim up stream.
Nah remember the Thread of date was severed with the Count.
It was meant for him but he couldn’t do it.
But guts has the symbol of sacrifice, that means he can’t use the beheilt?
i love the theory that in order to kill griffith, guts needs to get rid of his own monsterosity in him including the berzerker armor. after all, it was stated that to kill a monster you need to become one, but to kill a god, you need to be a man.
Plot twist Guts uses it to sacrifice Griffith.
Why do you keep calling it a beherit
Because he’s restarted
When I think about it, the Guts+ Behelith is accurate representation of trauma... When you see the person or similar people, or even similar behaviour "your behelith will almost form face"to basically showcase, how much you are damaged, by the trauma... And let me tell you... I don't know with one is worst, being betrayed by spose or betrayed by community or both... But this much is pretty it , this is the feeling... Just something small and if it is not healed or it is relatively new, it can sent you to despair... Cool one... I didn't realise it before... Really nice 🙂.
Guts would never use it if he did it’d be completely out of character and would ruin him both literally and character wise
Usually, it’s used to sacrifice other humans. Guts sacrificing his human self, the rest of his body and memories, that’s something else. We know that he can harm griffith since he can now cut griffith’s hair with the dragon slayer… soo yeah it’s peculiar
@@lonewanderer1328 I wouldn’t like that at all guts becoming a demon or whatever would ruin him for me it’s one of his most crucial parts of his character
@@Mr.Faust3 there are a few options to using it while staying human. First is just using it and not accepting the deal. If he sacrifices himself it could be that it would supersede Griffiths brand of sacrifice its unclear if he'd turn into an apostle.
If he sacraficed the beast of darkness/ his personal vengence/ dream would he become a hawk of light.
Theres a theory that the dragonslayer might be able to intrigrate it perhaps
It’s crazy that we’ve pretty much already seen guts apostle form
the whole point of Guts is to be human , using it will break the theme of the story
man managed to cut a single strand of hair with that big ass sword . He need to apostle up
@@theoriginalrudeboy2916 this is not Naruto , it goes much deeper than power scaling , Guts may just be a fish in a river
@@S_GaisericThe premise of the topic is related to guts finding a way to kill Griffith, the theme of a human against powerful forces was nullified when the god hand first appeared . The plot has moved beyond human capabilities. Gods, Armour made by dwarves, skull knight, trolls, elemental gods . You're silly if you believe Guts won't get an upgrade as an outcome of magic which by the way he already has . If guts is a fish his foes are sharks and giant squids.
@@theoriginalrudeboy2916 “F you. I’m human. the real deal, right down to the f*n’ marrow of my bones. Don’t lump me together with you monsters.” this was in the Guts vs Ganishka , not so far in the past , This is one of the reasons I beleive Guts will never become an apostle . About killing Griffith he already gave up on that and retired to Elfhelm , and kinda made peace with it , now that Casca is taken away from him , and he is in the pit of despair , no one can really predict the outcome of Guts , will he give in again to his shadow and become rage , will he become a passive nihilist or will he find a new meaning and rise in a new unexpected way , we will see , but Guts alone won't be able to kill any god , Sk has been forever and he couldn't do shit to void . The god hand were born from the collective conscience , and to kill them means to change the very thing that created them , much like Nietzche's famous quote 'God is dead we killed him"
@@S_Gaiseric "Griffith : if bazuzu's axe wasn't cracked you would've lost your head : Guts - probably" in essence this indicates his conviction to do anything, face the odds 100 to 1… whatever it takes .Even if they unite their forces i don't see how they will confront the HAND, unless of course we're up for some lazy writing . Him becoming an Apostle out of desperation doesn't seem far fetched to his character and to the whole story at large . That being said, i too don't wish the plot to take the easy route by allowing him to become a monster but as Dracula said " sometimes the world no longer needs a hero sometimes what it needs is a monster " Or perhaps As jordan Peterson puts it " Be a monster an absolute monster and then learn how to contol it "
You did it a-fucking-gain bro great breakdown on the deeper meanings behind everything as always.
It’d be crazy if guts used it and sacrificed Griffith
as crazy as this be, griffith is the god hand. dont think thatd be possible BUT i do imagine a story where the roles are swapped here.
The devil doesn't get to decide where he is defeated.
Why is he calling it a beheRit?
I feel like clawing your eyes out for the way you say Behelit
It’s really simple, as he hates demons he will literally never use it. Case closed. 👍🏽
Then why he's keeping it with him
U think he can fight griffith without such power?
@@takerukurosawa2337 because as stated multiple times a behelit travels by causality. Think of it like this, the person who held on to Griffiths crimson behelit before him was carrying it for him & Vice versa. I don’t think Guts will use it, but that doesn’t mean anyone else in the group won’t.
@@christianyanto818 Spoiler Alert 🚨 * In the latest chapters it proved Guts will need a major power boost somehow to even touch Griffith. After all this time, the DragonSlayer can only whisk away a single strand of hair. I hope somehow the Berserker armor will be under his full control, but that’s only physical damage.
@@Soul_Removal ya ik about that but guts is an exception maybe he can activate even if the behelit is not his, bc guts was fated to be dead when he was born but he defied the fate and lived on, well we don't know yet let's just wait for future chapters
literally could not finish this video because this dude goes BEHERIT