These guys are of the opinion that there were no rules in the 70s. What Davidson did on that play was called spearing and it would earn you a 15 yarder every time. Yeah the Raiders were pretty ruthless back in the day (Look up George Atkinson and Jack Tatum who were assassins, quite literally), but there were rules.
Whenever he says that i always feel like he should say “neither did i till 10 mins ago” so its not trying to falsely pass it off like he just has these obscure rules and their origin floating around his head in everyday convos
U ever hear about the Lyle alzado rule ,he started the entire helmet rule. There's a ken stabler rule. It seems like all the modern rules are in place bczz of sum thing that raiders did
@@johnburns9634 Lyle alzado in a fit of rage tore the helmet off of a new York jet& struck him with it& started the whole helmet as a weapon rule& ken stabler in the holy roller game against the chargers with no time on the clock fumbled on purpose& the raiders kicked & batted the ball down the field & Dave Casper fell on it in the end zone for a touch down, raiders win.thre a rule against that now
@@kevinmitchell4018 @@kevinmitchell4018 Wait? Lyle Alzado? Raging? That's not the Lyle Alzado I'M familiar with! The above was typed in sarcastic font.
back when my father played they didn't even have footballs, they had to use jagged rocks and instead of pads and a helmet they just threw on an extra shirt. worked just as good.
When I played football in the late 00s, we had a kid lead with his head all the damn time. Eventually, he got a game-winning sack...and literally broke his neck. Dude lived through the experience and got to walk again (like three years after the fact), but no way he doesn't have life-long complications from that.
The biggest takeaway from this video for me is that offsetting penalties is super clumsy. It should only happen for certain penalties that actually impact the integrity of the play, like there’s defensive pass interference while an OL is holding. Sure. But re-doing a play because some dudes got into a fight AFTER the play? Cmon man. That part of the rules needs to be more nuanced. I saw this happen twice in the last week of NFL games, where an offense has to replay a down where they made a great play because of penalties that little to do with the actual play. There should be the option to offset the penalties after the play is taken into account, not render the entire play void.
Rich Affinito Only 1 penalty can be accepted against a team on a given play, so even if there are 10 penalties, 9 of them are irrelevant no matter what. Why should it be different with offsetting penalties? If both teams committed penalties, no matter how many, the play shouldn't count anyway. So just scrap it and start over. Isn't that fair?
@Rich Affinito while i agree somewhat that is an invalid argument, if you steal and murder, in this case you only get jail time for one of those ao that changes it
Rich Affinito Comparing a penalty in football to murder? Just wow. The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Surprised I have to even say that.
Or he could stop being a stubborn ass and adjust to the rule for now. I notice Von Miller and Kalil Mack seem to be doing fine and not getting called for it. Seems they bother to put the effort in to change their game slightly so they don't hurt their team.
Clay Matthews, who just so happens to be the teammate of the QB who whined just enough about getting injured to force the NFL to create this dumb penalty. Oh, the karma-infused irony.
@@kyletucker1798 dawg, Matthews job is to get to the QB, and out of all the downs that he might play in a game he might get in arms reach a handful of times. When he gets that close each time do you really think contorting his body so he doesn't get penalized is going through his mind? Especially since there haven't been clear guidelines after the rule change
I'm tired of people complaining about this. It's a rule right now, get the hell over it and learn to work around it. "But it's impossible!" Really? Because you know who HASN'T gotten called for it? Von Miller, Kalil Mack. Anyone on the New England Patriots. In other words the people who give enough of a @#
So a guy did omg into a quarterback’s back lead to the most BS flag in the history of football. For example Mathews getting called for landing on the quarterback with most of his body weight when if you would look at it without there positions you would see a normal tackle but this rule now wants player to tackle quarter backs by talking them by the waist or legs which if the player goes for the leg it can lead to more injuries than a normal tackle.
2:35 I grew up in the 1970s and one time I got a book from Scholastic Book Services called (basically) "How to Play football." It was filled with stuff that's quite illegal nowadays including chop blocking, tackling at the knees, and yes lowering your head and ramming with the top of your helmet.
Anybody else notice, at 2:44, #30 on the Chiefs (the third man in) punches Ben Davidson in the crotch, and then follows it up with multiple cleat-kicks?
I watched this game as an 11 year old kid. It was one of the most exciting games I ever watched. George Blanda tied that game with a 48 yard field goal!!
A year or two after this new rule was in, I watched the Cowboys' Harvey Martin absolutely cheap-shot a quarterback well after the play. The QB had to leave the game. On the next play, the other team ran a simple handoff, and EVERYONE just went after Martin - going for his head, diving at his knees, etc. Even the sub QB went in head-first trying to hit him. Poor Harvey never had a chance. The referees stayed completely out of the way until the pile cleared. Martin had to leave the game, and that was the last you saw of him that day.
First day of football Myles Garett’s coach : Don’t use your helmet as a weapon. Myles Garett: Cool I need to grab someone else’s helmet to use as a weapon. 😈
Am I missing something? He said the play was allowed, but after he dives into the QB, the ref was pulling for his flag to throw. The biggest problem was the offsetting fouls causing to replay the down. The penalties happened AFTER the play and should be assessed as such (as they are today.)
Nicholas Kent that’s literally what the rule was made because of. After this hit, the NFL changed their rule book so the penalties would be assessed after, giving the Chiefs the win (had the game been played with the new rule set)
@@NimdaChayse After that hit...and 6 more years of hits like that from many players. But yeah, Nicolas Kent is correct. That play was not allowed even before the rule was created. The ref immediately pulled his flag when the grounded hit was made, so that hit wasn't allowed even before that specific rule was made.
Yeah, the new rule that the video talks about would have no effect here. Davidson was already flagged, then KC were flagged for retaliating like idiots. The important rule change is that penalties after the play is dead (like KC players retaliating) do not result in a replay of down, so KC would get their first down. THAT is the rule change I want to hear about, because the Raiders took advantage of a bad rule loophole: If a play doesn't go your way, pick a fight immediately and maybe offsetting penalties will cause a do-over. Get on that Weird Rules!
Chiefs vs Raiders I'm fairly certain the game ended in a 17-17 tie. George Blanda who I believe was around 72YO at the time kicked about a 50 yard FG on the final play to tie it up. As payback, and I believe it was the next year Buck Buchanan picked up Blanda(who also played QB) and attempted to plant his head two feet into the turf there at old Municipal Stadium. Yea, the Chiefs and Raiders of the 60's and early 70's was a bit more than your typical rivalry. November of 1972, the Chiefs had just moved into a then brand new Arrowhead Stadium. It's Raiders week. Oakland RB Marv Hubbard is giving an interview and what he says is it should be a kick ass game. Well, of course that quote isn't quite what made it to the Chiefs locker room. What the Chiefs got was Hubbard saying the Raiders were coming to KC to kick some ass. The fire marshall, must have turned his head(bribe), because the Chiefs just kept selling tickets. Some buddies and I went hours early to get standing room tickets, and by the end of the 1st qtr, standing room all the way around the stadium was over 20 deep. The Chiefs hit Marv Hubbard wherever he went, and they hit him as hard as was humanly possible. The Chiefs won(27-14), Hubbard did survive, but only because the Raiders took him out of the game, and when they did there were 80,000+ chanting "we want Hubbard", There isn't much tape from the Roman Coliseum, but if there were.....Of the thousands of sporting events I've been to, that is still the most memorable game.
One little thing you forgot to mention. Back then you were not officially down until the other team touched you. The whistle was not blown until you were "Down by Contact". The concept of stopping a play because of something like "forward progress" , or "in the grasp" is still rather new. That Raiders Chiefs rivalry was one of the nastiest ever. Up until the Raiders moved to LA the entire Chiefs team would wear their helmets for the entire game, even the guys who were never going to play. The Raiders fans were very fond of throwing AA and AAA batteries from the stands. One time in Oakland in the late 60's the The Chiefs scored to go a head right before half time and it angered the Raiders fans. When KC came out of the locker room to start the second half all the benches and tables on their side of the field had been broken into tiny pieces by fans who went back to their seats to enjoy the second half when they were done with their redecorating.
Wait wouldn't both penalties have been dead ball fouls? Meaning that the fouls offset after the first down. Why did that result in 3rd down being replayed?
First thing I learned in football was to use my helmet as a weapon. Back in the day it was called "spearing" and it was illegal...ish. Illegal being defined by 'Did the ref throw the flag?'
They told us “For the love of god, whatever you do, never use your head as a weapon. You will break your neck and be paralyzed for life or die.” Different times :)
I only heard about Roughing the Passer via this video pretty much (I don't follow sports really, love this channel) and I thought it was "rough in the pasture" before someone corrected me...
Raiders again and I see you have Lester Hayes changing the stick um rule. Told you ,John Maddens raiders were the dirtiest teams and inspited a lot of rule changes.. You failed to mention the raiders and chiefs had a gigantic rivalry in the 70's. Some of those games were epic, and incredibly brutal.
Karen you know your football. That rivalry during the 60's was by far the bloodiest. The fights those two teams had were always bench clearing brawls. You could also count on a few fans getting involved with whoever the visiting team was. Definitely a thing of beauty. A.F.L. during the 1960's was a free for all. Nothing more beautiful than when these teams walked off the field at the end of the game with blood running down their faces and a few teeth missing.
I used to live in Pleasanton. John Maddens used to watch our foirball team & his daughter was at Foothill High School. I delivered Raiders & Niners newspapers. Ben Davis arms were huger than my leg. He was seriously huge. Its a violent sport. Rules are needed.
The Colts and Patriots game yesterday was the worst call I have ever seen. If you don't know what I'm talking about, a D-Lineman stuck his hand up as Brady was throwing and did not hit him, tapping on his helmet not with force btw and he got called for roughing the passer. They seriously need to change the penalty or they might as well play flag football for the QB.
This game was nationally televised back in 1970, and I remember seeing this at the ripe old age of 12. I also watched the Heidi game at 10 years old. I also saw the Ice Bowl game in 1967 at 9 years old. Saw the first Monday Night football game in 1971 at 13. My earliest recollection of the NFL is watching Y.A. Title QB the Giants around 63 or 64?
While the hit was wrong, if you rewatch that play, the defender was dragging Gronk's Jersey the entire play, and in clear view of the refs, yet no flag was ever thrown for it. While I dont agree with what gronk did, I do understand why he would be angry.
Are you trying to justify someone doing intentional physical harm to another human, because he didn't get a call in a meaningless game, and at the end of the day just a GAME. That's like trying to justify someone who beats someone else up for pissing them off. It just not right, there shouldn't be any justification for physical harm, because you can't control your emotions. Even in more physical sports, do you think it would be OK if Pacquiao had put a cheep shot on Mayweather when he was leaving the ring just because he was mad. People gotta stop justifying cheep shots before someone ends a career.
He's not justifying it at all. Laying out a possible cause is not the same as justification. One of the jobs of a ref in any sport (well, maybe not so much hockey) is to notice that a situation is heating up between players and prevent it from blowing up. I think it's totally fair to point out that both things happened. What's the point of a rule if you don't even bother understanding what might break it?
The nuttier rule was that, if a defender gave up a big play, he could get a do-over by starting a fight as long as by his actions he could entice at least one member of the opposing team to push him back.
The intimidation factor played alot in football back then the threat of a qb getting slammed after he threw the ball would make him release the ball early
That legit just sounds like assault. Intentionally causing harm with no tangible game-related benefit to a complete non-threat. Like, I understand why it wouldn’t be charged or anything, but that dude straight assaulted the quarterback. I’d absolutely have thrown hands if I were on the offense team.
a great impression of old school football, and baseball for that matter, is the caricature portrayal in a looney tunes cartoon. at first you see it and laugh bc it’s a cartoon, but then you stop and realize they’re *_really_* like that.
@@samanthanickson6478 This is me learning about Ten Cent Beer Night for the first time and thinking it sounded like a Simpsons script but nope, all real.
@@omahabigbill2789 If I were a highly skilled athlete playing a game with clearly defined rules and the opposing team assaulted a teammate I would indeed throw hands, yes. Also rich that you assume I’ve never played football or gotten into a fight.
The real reason the league waited six years to put in the Ben Davidson rule - they wanted to make sure most of the 1970 Raiders had retired before getting them mad. =D
The NFL needs to start being honest with its players and prospects, and just tell them, no it's not safe. It is a very violent sport, and just because you're wearing a helmet and padding doesn't mean you run the risk of serious injury by playing this sport. The NFL spends all this time, energy, and money into trying to make the game "safe," and now the sport is in serious trouble, as schools all over the country are shutting down their football programs because parents don't want their 17-year-olds getting brain damage. I think the governing body of gridiron football needs to tell the players that the game is *not* safe, and personal safety is the players' responsibility. This would mean players would take more care in their hits and tackles, and the rule book wouldn't have to keep adding more and more new no-nos. In both codes of rugby football, the players wear NO padding, and nobody in the governing body of that sport is telling anybody that the sport is safe. Head injuries are NOWHERE NEAR as rampant as they are in American football. Certain kinds of tackles are illegal, but the players take their own safety into their own hands, and they don't take any undue risks with their bodies. The NFL needs to stop treating its players like children.
If you don't want to get hit in the head with a hammer then don't play football. Bashing skulls is tradition. Taking hammers out of the game would be a disgrace, and would make my life on the couch significantly less enjoyable. In theory.
Ironically enough, the NFL is "softer" in part of their idols from the 60's , 70's, 80's, and 90's barraged the NFL with lawsuits of negligence about failing to inform players of the ailments of football. 😭😭😭
Ben Davidson WAS a big boy, even by modern standards. He was a 280 pound DE, which was absurd for the era. He was also in Conan the Barbarian and he made Arnold look tiny.
i honestly think the roughing the passer rule is good, just the way its interpreted is absolutely awful. It's designed to protect quarterbacks, which is a good thing, but it is called way too much.
Lmao this is nothing. They’ve had to change the rules like 4 times since the 70s because they were too good at something. Like the blindside block or Mel Blount mugging WRs.
Jeterfan906 well the blindside block is more about players safety. I don’t know about you but I’d take comfort in knowing that my entire back is going to get blown out while I’m not even paying attention
Jeterfan906 good? Yes being a cheap shot artist takes so much skill. Holding onto a receiver so he doesn’t even have a chance to catch the ball is so difficult. If that’s being too good then I’m just as “talented”
Yes the Raiders were so innovative back in the 60's and 70's real men who played real football. By the way if CTE kills football players why do we still allow boxing as a sport?
this is what sells on youtube. the fact you dont like it because you find it fake is irrelevant because its not your ad revenue they need. its all of theirs
When he went down and was touched the play was over. The penalties should not make them play third down again. Should have been enforced after the first down was counted.
Nice replay of the KC huddle. Exactly how they lined up. The more modern version is the Brett Favre mugging in N.O. QB ratings have taken off since 2013.
I've never seen 2 more 80's looking people, like the black guy looks like he took part in the LA riots and the white guy looks like he was on the jury for those cops
Basketball and hockey weird rules: rule patches to stop people from playing the rules and not the game in hilarious and fun ways. American football weird rules: Okay, we know our sport is stupid and violent, but just don't make it *that* obvious.
My friend in high school had 2 vertebrae broken in his lower back because someone did this exact thing to him IN A PRACTICE SCRIMMAGE. He was a promising backup quarterback at our large HS then quit forever after that injury. I honestly can't believe people would do something that cruel and stupid but I watched it happen first hand.
What is so hard about understanding why they changed the rule? The qbs are the money makers. If they get hurt because a 250 lb player lands on top on them when they are defenseless how is that cool? Now, its hard, but youre getting paid millions of dollars to adjust. Same people saying this rule is stupid, are the same people not buying tickets to the games to watch SUPERSTAR QB play. So spare me. Nobody wants to see backup qbs play. Its bad for the sport, and bad for tv. And i feel bad for the fans who spend their hard earned money.
Anthony Welmaker Wow. What a terrible view of football. No one wants to watch the backup QB play? Why not? Everyone loves the rags to riches backup QB savrs the day storyline. You probably like watching offenses put up 50 points a game. I played defense so I like watching a defense shut a team out. That's an awsome game to me. If QB's don't want to play a violent game then they can play baseball. Don't ask grown men to be nice to each other though...
@@korylooper3170 nobody wants to see backup qbs play. Youre on your on. I much rather see Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers rather than a Kizer and whoever. So idk what youre talking about. And if that were that case, the rule would not have been changed and the ratings for packer game would not have been down last year. Try again
I wonder when the NFL will adopt a rule that forbids rapists and domestic abusers to continue playing in the league. Maybe after Ben Rothlesburger leaves.
I know a guy who played in the NFL & was on a champion team in the CFL who refused to let his son play organized football. He will even cuss at friends who let their kids play. He doesn't want people who he loves to get as battered as him, & he has a long rant about concussions.
I became a fan of NFL football early in the 1960s. I wonder if these two guys have watched many of those old games. The game has changed a lot, with today's game featuring vastly more involvement (interference) by refs and far more injuries. Football has always been violent, but now players are faster, bigger, stronger and much more fit. That sounds like a good thing, but then you have more injuries, some of which have long term affects.
Great video- but the game ended in a 17-17 tie when George Blanda hit a 52 yard field goal with seconds remaining…over Morris Stroud who was positioned under the goalpost.
And in 2019, it still wasn't enforced when Clowney speared Carson Wentz in the head while the latter was already falling down on the ground, knocking him out of the game.
One of my biggest pet peeves with contact sports is when a guy lays a huge hit on a guy who isn't looking or is in a vulnerable position and then gets up celebrating like they're some kind of badass... like, congrats, you're acting like a tough guy after doing something objectively cowardly...
The Lyle Alzado rule: "A player will not rip off another player's helmet and use it as a weapon."
Not kidding.
It really exists.
Lyle Alzado was a psychopath.
What about their own.
I got to do some research sounds like an interesting backstory for that rule
Lyle was a madman
@@bjtgaming He pulled a dude's helmet off and swung it at him
“Are you familiar with the Ben Davidson rule?”
“Yes!”
*video ends
These guys are of the opinion that there were no rules in the 70s. What Davidson did on that play was called spearing and it would earn you a 15 yarder every time.
Yeah the Raiders were pretty ruthless back in the day (Look up George Atkinson and Jack Tatum who were assassins, quite literally), but there were rules.
They should do an April Fool's video next year like that
im from KC and saw the swine ben do his magic and rob us of the game
Otis taylor should be in the HOF for no other reason that going after the psycho ben
Whenever he says that i always feel like he should say “neither did i till 10 mins ago” so its not trying to falsely pass it off like he just has these obscure rules and their origin floating around his head in everyday convos
NFL: "This is so obvious it shouldn't have to be written down."
Raiders: "It's free real estate."
NFL: "Not again."
Just win baby
@@TheDreadedRaider Well, the Quarterback must not just go down. He must go down hard.
“Not use your helmet as a weapon”
Steelers vs. Browns fight has entered the chat
U ever hear about the Lyle alzado rule ,he started the entire helmet rule. There's a ken stabler rule. It seems like all the modern rules are in place bczz of sum thing that raiders did
@@kevinmitchell4018
Raiders references? I'm not familiar with those:
Oakland Raiders references?
ruclips.net/video/Y3ThYhbQPhM/видео.html
Ah. He didn’t use his own helmet though. 🤔
@@johnburns9634 Lyle alzado in a fit of rage tore the helmet off of a new York jet& struck him with it& started the whole helmet as a weapon rule& ken stabler in the holy roller game against the chargers with no time on the clock fumbled on purpose& the raiders kicked & batted the ball down the field & Dave Casper fell on it in the end zone for a touch down, raiders win.thre a rule against that now
@@kevinmitchell4018
@@kevinmitchell4018 Wait?
Lyle Alzado? Raging?
That's not the Lyle Alzado I'M familiar with!
The above was typed in sarcastic font.
These 2 guys look like they’re doing an HD interview in 1985.
Very underated comment
All that's missing is the Superbowl shuffle.
Jon needs uglier glasses
Felt like 1991 to me.
Watch in 240p for best results
not only was there snow, but they had to practice in 110 degree heat as well!
I would believe you if your name was Jon Bois.
They also had to travel to each city by foot or if they were lucky, by horse and buggy.
Wow! It was snowing in 110 degree heat? They had some hellacious weather back then! LOL!
back when my father played they didn't even have footballs, they had to use jagged rocks and instead of pads and a helmet they just threw on an extra shirt. worked just as good.
110 lol im in middle school we practicenint that too
2:50 84 on the Raiders is thinking "you know what? That was a cheap hit. I'm not getting involved"
Tbh
Good on him
Crazy but when I was playing football in the 70"'s in school we were taught to put our helmet on the numbers. Later in life I had C4, 5, and 6 fused.
Lmao "lead with your head and neck" 😂
@@CodeineAbdulJabbar it’s hilarious that people legit thought that was a good idea
Played pop warner in the late 90's. We were taught NOT to do that
When I played football in the late 00s, we had a kid lead with his head all the damn time. Eventually, he got a game-winning sack...and literally broke his neck. Dude lived through the experience and got to walk again (like three years after the fact), but no way he doesn't have life-long complications from that.
High school coaches, especially old stupid ones, took decades to update how they teach.
The biggest takeaway from this video for me is that offsetting penalties is super clumsy. It should only happen for certain penalties that actually impact the integrity of the play, like there’s defensive pass interference while an OL is holding. Sure.
But re-doing a play because some dudes got into a fight AFTER the play? Cmon man.
That part of the rules needs to be more nuanced. I saw this happen twice in the last week of NFL games, where an offense has to replay a down where they made a great play because of penalties that little to do with the actual play.
There should be the option to offset the penalties after the play is taken into account, not render the entire play void.
Rich Affinito Only 1 penalty can be accepted against a team on a given play, so even if there are 10 penalties, 9 of them are irrelevant no matter what. Why should it be different with offsetting penalties? If both teams committed penalties, no matter how many, the play shouldn't count anyway. So just scrap it and start over. Isn't that fair?
Unlimited Power p
They did. Now if offsetting penalties happen after the play the play counts but the penalties don't
@Rich Affinito while i agree somewhat that is an invalid argument, if you steal and murder, in this case you only get jail time for one of those ao that changes it
Rich Affinito Comparing a penalty in football to murder? Just wow. The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Surprised I have to even say that.
*pokes QB*
1,000 yard penalty on Clay Mathew's
Luke Wenberg automatic win to the other team
@@JIGOKUKIRA Automatic Superbowl ring to the other team
Or he could stop being a stubborn ass and adjust to the rule for now. I notice Von Miller and Kalil Mack seem to be doing fine and not getting called for it. Seems they bother to put the effort in to change their game slightly so they don't hurt their team.
Clay Matthews, who just so happens to be the teammate of the QB who whined just enough about getting injured to force the NFL to create this dumb penalty.
Oh, the karma-infused irony.
@@kyletucker1798 dawg, Matthews job is to get to the QB, and out of all the downs that he might play in a game he might get in arms reach a handful of times. When he gets that close each time do you really think contorting his body so he doesn't get penalized is going through his mind? Especially since there haven't been clear guidelines after the rule change
"This new roughing the passer rule in the NFL-"
"-is awful."
Understatement of the year right there folks.
it’s stupid how the new rule affects the game
I'm tired of people complaining about this. It's a rule right now, get the hell over it and learn to work around it.
"But it's impossible!"
Really? Because you know who HASN'T gotten called for it? Von Miller, Kalil Mack. Anyone on the New England Patriots. In other words the people who give enough of a @#
@@kyletucker1798 you're a new school nerd,this ain't football kid
So a guy did omg into a quarterback’s back lead to the most BS flag in the history of football. For example Mathews getting called for landing on the quarterback with most of his body weight when if you would look at it without there positions you would see a normal tackle but this rule now wants player to tackle quarter backs by talking them by the waist or legs which if the player goes for the leg it can lead to more injuries than a normal tackle.
Im glad that i am an fan of fotball(soccer), There the rule is: You can only tackle the ball, not the player
2:35 I grew up in the 1970s and one time I got a book from Scholastic Book Services called (basically) "How to Play football." It was filled with stuff that's quite illegal nowadays including chop blocking, tackling at the knees, and yes lowering your head and ramming with the top of your helmet.
(Almost) Everything (fun) my HS coaches taught me to do... is now illegal.
Anybody else notice, at 2:44, #30 on the Chiefs (the third man in) punches Ben Davidson in the crotch, and then follows it up with multiple cleat-kicks?
MrNicholas7 not just that but also throws a uppercut to other raider
After that hit, dude deserved his teeth kicked in
Good.
Gloster Richardson is his name...
Johnny Caged his ass. Bicycle kicks from hell
I watched this game as an 11 year old kid. It was one of the most exciting games I ever watched. George Blanda tied that game with a 48 yard field goal!!
The Raiders did not win the game. George Blanda hit a last minute field goal to tie the game at 17. There was no regular season overtime then.
Still though ONLY this type of bs can happen to the chiefs i swear
Light Yagami anything bad that has happened to a team worse has happened to Detroit and Buffalo
That's Right!!!!
Noah Llorens not buffalo, but Detroit maybe.
Also the QB was their kicker George Blanda
A year or two after this new rule was in, I watched the Cowboys' Harvey Martin absolutely cheap-shot a quarterback well after the play. The QB had to leave the game. On the next play, the other team ran a simple handoff, and EVERYONE just went after Martin - going for his head, diving at his knees, etc. Even the sub QB went in head-first trying to hit him. Poor Harvey never had a chance. The referees stayed completely out of the way until the pile cleared. Martin had to leave the game, and that was the last you saw of him that day.
First day of football
Myles Garett’s coach : Don’t use your helmet as a weapon.
Myles Garett: Cool I need to grab someone else’s helmet to use as a weapon. 😈
Modern problems require modern solutions
Am I missing something? He said the play was allowed, but after he dives into the QB, the ref was pulling for his flag to throw. The biggest problem was the offsetting fouls causing to replay the down. The penalties happened AFTER the play and should be assessed as such (as they are today.)
Nicholas Kent that’s literally what the rule was made because of. After this hit, the NFL changed their rule book so the penalties would be assessed after, giving the Chiefs the win (had the game been played with the new rule set)
@@NimdaChayse After that hit...and 6 more years of hits like that from many players. But yeah, Nicolas Kent is correct. That play was not allowed even before the rule was created. The ref immediately pulled his flag when the grounded hit was made, so that hit wasn't allowed even before that specific rule was made.
Yeah, the new rule that the video talks about would have no effect here. Davidson was already flagged, then KC were flagged for retaliating like idiots. The important rule change is that penalties after the play is dead (like KC players retaliating) do not result in a replay of down, so KC would get their first down. THAT is the rule change I want to hear about, because the Raiders took advantage of a bad rule loophole: If a play doesn't go your way, pick a fight immediately and maybe offsetting penalties will cause a do-over. Get on that Weird Rules!
Chiefs vs Raiders
I'm fairly certain the game ended in a 17-17 tie.
George Blanda who I believe was around 72YO at the time kicked about a 50 yard FG on the final
play to tie it up.
As payback, and I believe it was the next year Buck Buchanan picked up Blanda(who also played QB) and attempted
to plant his head two feet into the turf there at old Municipal Stadium.
Yea, the Chiefs and Raiders of the 60's and early 70's was a bit more than your typical rivalry.
November of 1972, the Chiefs had just moved into a then brand new Arrowhead Stadium. It's Raiders week. Oakland
RB Marv Hubbard is giving an interview and what he says is it should be a kick ass game. Well, of course that quote isn't quite
what made it to the Chiefs locker room. What the Chiefs got was Hubbard saying the Raiders were coming to KC to kick some ass.
The fire marshall, must have turned his head(bribe), because the Chiefs just kept selling tickets. Some buddies and I went hours early to get standing room tickets, and by the end of the 1st qtr, standing room all the way around the stadium was over 20 deep. The Chiefs hit Marv Hubbard wherever he went, and they hit him as hard as was humanly possible. The Chiefs won(27-14), Hubbard did survive, but only because the Raiders took him out of the game, and when they did there were 80,000+ chanting "we want Hubbard", There isn't much tape from the Roman Coliseum, but if there were.....Of the thousands of sporting events I've been to, that is still the most memorable game.
Dan Paul Thank you for this tale. I wish we could see football a little more like this nowadays.
Thats crazy
But yeah screw the raiders
George Blanda was the Joe Louis of pro football. Always lied about his age, the man was 68 years old as a rookie. Played until he was 172!
@@davidvarnes7708 no he didn't!!!
@@robertsettle2590 r/whoooosh
One little thing you forgot to mention. Back then you were not officially down until the other team touched you. The whistle was not blown until you were "Down by Contact". The concept of stopping a play because of something like "forward progress" , or "in the grasp" is still rather new.
That Raiders Chiefs rivalry was one of the nastiest ever. Up until the Raiders moved to LA the entire Chiefs team would wear their helmets for the entire game, even the guys who were never going to play. The Raiders fans were very fond of throwing AA and AAA batteries from the stands. One time in Oakland in the late 60's the The Chiefs scored to go a head right before half time and it angered the Raiders fans. When KC came out of the locker room to start the second half all the benches and tables on their side of the field had been broken into tiny pieces by fans who went back to their seats to enjoy the second half when they were done with their redecorating.
49er fans are battery chuckers too!
3:17 - The Raiders didn't "eventually win" the game. They kicked a game-tying FG and the game ended in a tie.
Lets not make it sound like these guys didnt do their homework. This video speaks to that by all by it's self.
@@FlyRiverFly I sense a hint of sarcasm in your reply, so I'm going to leave it alone because I don't think it says what it actually says 😂
But the tie kept the Chiefs out of the playoffs by 1 game.
Wait wouldn't both penalties have been dead ball fouls? Meaning that the fouls offset after the first down. Why did that result in 3rd down being replayed?
I like how Ryan looks like he can both bench 285 and eat 35 hotdogs in 10 minutes
First thing I learned in football was to use my helmet as a weapon. Back in the day it was called "spearing" and it was illegal...ish. Illegal being defined by 'Did the ref throw the flag?'
They told us “For the love of god, whatever you do, never use your head as a weapon. You will break your neck and be paralyzed for life or die.” Different times :)
except that, when I was growing up in the 70's, we were taught to lead with our helmet and to use our helmet as a weapon
They were tryna kill yall
@@CodeineAbdulJabbar Lol. Yep!!! They still are!!!! They will NEVER get me tho
I only heard about Roughing the Passer via this video pretty much (I don't follow sports really, love this channel) and I thought it was "rough in the pasture" before someone corrected me...
That’s a different penalty when you kick up too much dirt out of the field.
Of course this rule has been rendered obsolete on artificial turf
Raiders again and I see you have Lester Hayes changing the stick um rule. Told you ,John Maddens raiders were the dirtiest teams and inspited a lot of rule changes.. You failed to mention the raiders and chiefs had a gigantic rivalry in the 70's. Some of those games were epic, and incredibly brutal.
Karen you know your football. That rivalry during the 60's was by far the bloodiest. The fights those two teams had were always bench clearing brawls. You could also count on a few fans getting involved with whoever the visiting team was. Definitely a thing of beauty. A.F.L. during the 1960's was a free for all. Nothing more beautiful than when these teams walked off the field at the end of the game with blood running down their faces and a few teeth missing.
I used to live in Pleasanton. John Maddens used to watch our foirball team & his daughter was at Foothill High School. I delivered Raiders & Niners newspapers. Ben Davis arms were huger than my leg. He was seriously huge. Its a violent sport. Rules are needed.
The Colts and Patriots game yesterday was the worst call I have ever seen. If you don't know what I'm talking about, a D-Lineman stuck his hand up as Brady was throwing and did not hit him, tapping on his helmet not with force btw and he got called for roughing the passer. They seriously need to change the penalty or they might as well play flag football for the QB.
You can't challenge penalties.
This game was nationally televised back in 1970, and I remember seeing this at the ripe old age of 12.
I also watched the Heidi game at 10 years old.
I also saw the Ice Bowl game in 1967 at 9 years old.
Saw the first Monday Night football game in 1971 at 13.
My earliest recollection of the NFL is watching Y.A. Title QB the Giants around 63 or 64?
When you saw this hit did it shock you so much you fell off your dinosaur?
@@dspsblyuth Someday people will be saying the same about you, that is if you live that long.
@@Orange-Jumpsuit-Time don’t have a sense of humor old man?
I thought it was Bradshaw landing on his head. Nevermind Tom Brady's season ending injury
This channel and its content are vastly underrated. Much Bless guys and gals.
Is this the same rule that gronk broke last year when he dove on to White on the bills after he got a pick?
trumpetperson11 defenseless players are to be touched down, not elbow dropped into oblivion by steroidal giants. Yep that rule.
Whyflyy305 steroidal? Gronk is skinny for a TE TB12 method is rotting him away
While the hit was wrong, if you rewatch that play, the defender was dragging Gronk's Jersey the entire play, and in clear view of the refs, yet no flag was ever thrown for it. While I dont agree with what gronk did, I do understand why he would be angry.
Are you trying to justify someone doing intentional physical harm to another human, because he didn't get a call in a meaningless game, and at the end of the day just a GAME. That's like trying to justify someone who beats someone else up for pissing them off. It just not right, there shouldn't be any justification for physical harm, because you can't control your emotions. Even in more physical sports, do you think it would be OK if Pacquiao had put a cheep shot on Mayweather when he was leaving the ring just because he was mad. People gotta stop justifying cheep shots before someone ends a career.
He's not justifying it at all. Laying out a possible cause is not the same as justification. One of the jobs of a ref in any sport (well, maybe not so much hockey) is to notice that a situation is heating up between players and prevent it from blowing up. I think it's totally fair to point out that both things happened. What's the point of a rule if you don't even bother understanding what might break it?
The nuttier rule was that, if a defender gave up a big play, he could get a do-over by starting a fight as long as by his actions he could entice at least one member of the opposing team to push him back.
2:42, the first thing you learn in football is not to use a helmet as a weapon.
Miles Garrett: Hold my cleats.
"Holy Toledo! It's a free for all!" - Venerable "Voice of the Raiders" Bill King describing the fight that occurred after Davidson's late hit.
How can we bring this man back from the dead
The NFL made me start watching baseball again.
5:27 Khalid turned into a philosopher for a bit there
Poopy
Gronk late hit on Tre’Davious White
100%
It was basically attempted murder. It was disgusting.
I thought gronk was a purely Australian prison word! Where are you guys from?
someone else gronk is short for gronkowski. he was a tight end for the new england patriots
“Gronk! This isn’t WWE dude! We’re in the middle of a game!”
The intimidation factor played alot in football back then the threat of a qb getting slammed after he threw the ball would make him release the ball early
2 and we want The Bois God
I would lay down my life for him.
Hell yeah, excellent set.
That's crazy they had to replay 3rd down when the play was already over and the penalties happened after the play was dead.
I appreciate that uphill in snow joke. My grandpa in a nutshell.
That legit just sounds like assault.
Intentionally causing harm with no tangible game-related benefit to a complete non-threat.
Like, I understand why it wouldn’t be charged or anything, but that dude straight assaulted the quarterback.
I’d absolutely have thrown hands if I were on the offense team.
a great impression of old school football, and baseball for that matter, is the caricature portrayal in a looney tunes cartoon. at first you see it and laugh bc it’s a cartoon, but then you stop and realize they’re *_really_* like that.
@@samanthanickson6478 This is me learning about Ten Cent Beer Night for the first time and thinking it sounded like a Simpsons script but nope, all real.
@@omahabigbill2789
If I were a highly skilled athlete playing a game with clearly defined rules and the opposing team assaulted a teammate I would indeed throw hands, yes.
Also rich that you assume I’ve never played football or gotten into a fight.
@@Jessie_Helms 👍
The real reason the league waited six years to put in the Ben Davidson rule - they wanted to make sure most of the 1970 Raiders had retired before getting them mad. =D
(Insert angry old person complaining about nfl being soft)
The NFL needs to start being honest with its players and prospects, and just tell them, no it's not safe. It is a very violent sport, and just because you're wearing a helmet and padding doesn't mean you run the risk of serious injury by playing this sport. The NFL spends all this time, energy, and money into trying to make the game "safe," and now the sport is in serious trouble, as schools all over the country are shutting down their football programs because parents don't want their 17-year-olds getting brain damage. I think the governing body of gridiron football needs to tell the players that the game is *not* safe, and personal safety is the players' responsibility. This would mean players would take more care in their hits and tackles, and the rule book wouldn't have to keep adding more and more new no-nos. In both codes of rugby football, the players wear NO padding, and nobody in the governing body of that sport is telling anybody that the sport is safe. Head injuries are NOWHERE NEAR as rampant as they are in American football. Certain kinds of tackles are illegal, but the players take their own safety into their own hands, and they don't take any undue risks with their bodies. The NFL needs to stop treating its players like children.
Ruben T well...it’s also protecting the product (players) to keep them on the field (playing) for the entertainment value and the revenue.
If you don't want to get hit in the head with a hammer then don't play football. Bashing skulls is tradition. Taking hammers out of the game would be a disgrace, and would make my life on the couch significantly less enjoyable. In theory.
Ironically enough, the NFL is "softer" in part of their idols from the 60's , 70's, 80's, and 90's barraged the NFL with lawsuits of negligence about failing to inform players of the ailments of football. 😭😭😭
Nfl IS soft and I'm 26
Go back to playing Fornite or whatever you do
You know who really won, Not Las Vegas.
WE LIKE SPORTS AND WE DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS
Kofie Why? I know
FROM SHOOTING HOOPS TO THE SUPER BOWL
Football football
@@calebbruck1586 tennis
Just two guys having a good time
We’re just not gonna talk about how deep that got at the end with imperfections
FYI
Chiefs Raiders were one of the more vicious rivalries ever. They were nasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4:52 That's Tomcist, good video :)
Great content. Format is like pulling teeth. Typical SB Nation, just tell the damn story
The HIT ...@ 1:20 in - ruling that began ROUGHING THE Qb!
TODAY ...Lenny THE COOL Dawson has DIED
“Do not use *YOUR* helmet as a weapon”
Miles garret:🧐
And this is just ONE of the many reasons why Oakland Raiders are the WORST! (Looking forward to their return to Oakland in 10 years)
these two look like their from the 80s-90s. Yet the video says 2018.
MyFatezero problem?
He said the Raiders tied the game after the Ben Davidson hit and eventually won the game. Wrong. The game ended in a 17-17 tie.
These guys have killer chemistry, they need their own series
After the hit, Otis Taylor came in to take Davidson out. How Taylor isn't in the HoF is well beyond me.
Is Jon ok?
When i got a glimpse of the 2020 Pro Bowl with the two hand touch rules, i knew stopping watching Pro ball in the early 90's was ahead of it's time!
Was that an Eighth Grade reference at the end, Ryan?
Ben Davidson WAS a big boy, even by modern standards. He was a 280 pound DE, which was absurd for the era. He was also in Conan the Barbarian and he made Arnold look tiny.
Just bring on Jon Bois.
Just Jon Bois.
Just Jon Bois.
*JUST JON BOIS*
He's all we want.
Who is that sorry I don’t know
Tf is that?
Who knows who cares
Nah you guys need to search him up he's literally the most entertaining sports related RUclipsr
i honestly think the roughing the passer rule is good, just the way its interpreted is absolutely awful. It's designed to protect quarterbacks, which is a good thing, but it is called way too much.
Where’s our boy Bois?
He's busy spending 3 months on the math necessary for his next video.
6 years later and the rule is still stupid
Lmao this is nothing. They’ve had to change the rules like 4 times since the 70s because they were too good at something. Like the blindside block or Mel Blount mugging WRs.
Jeterfan906 well the blindside block is more about players safety. I don’t know about you but I’d take comfort in knowing that my entire back is going to get blown out while I’m not even paying attention
Jeterfan906 good? Yes being a cheap shot artist takes so much skill. Holding onto a receiver so he doesn’t even have a chance to catch the ball is so difficult. If that’s being too good then I’m just as “talented”
Mel Blount the GOAT.
Thomas Hoffman the receiver is focused on a route. It is not talent to be able to interfere moron.
Yes the Raiders were so innovative back in the 60's and 70's real men who played real football. By the way if CTE kills football players why do we still allow boxing as a sport?
Boxing should be banned. If your confused look at video footage of Jerry Quarry or Muhammed Ali.
These guys are terrible, the depth of content is what makes this series entertaining, not the morning show fake personalities.
this is what sells on youtube. the fact you dont like it because you find it fake is irrelevant because its not your ad revenue they need. its all of theirs
Andrew Ryan sadly true, quality is a bonus in sports media now it seems
Stupidity uber alles...
They aren’t even being over the top. *smiles* OMG THEY ARE BEING SO FAKE IS THIS BUZZFEED
You are an embarrassment to the human race Andrew Hayes
I met Ben in San Diego back in 2003
I was wearing a Tooz jersey
I got a nod, a handshake, and a Ben and Tooz story
When he went down and was touched the play was over. The penalties should not make them play third down again. Should have been enforced after the first down was counted.
classic Raiders. As soon as he said Raiders vs. Chiefs, I knew...
Nice replay of the KC huddle. Exactly how they lined up. The more modern version is the Brett Favre mugging in N.O. QB ratings have taken off since 2013.
I've never seen 2 more 80's looking people, like the black guy looks like he took part in the LA riots and the white guy looks like he was on the jury for those cops
“Do not use your helmet as a weapon”
Myles Garrett: “Cool so I can use someone else’s helmet as a weapon”
Why is sbnation a bunch of hipsters
Basketball and hockey weird rules: rule patches to stop people from playing the rules and not the game in hilarious and fun ways.
American football weird rules: Okay, we know our sport is stupid and violent, but just don't make it *that* obvious.
*Insert Jon Bois comment here
I remember watching that game, if I'm not mistaken, both benches cleared and it took a long time to restart the game.
We should start a strike and stop watching videos until Jon Bois returns
Or just enjoy the quality content you're getting
Dan Evertt he got suspended for roughing the passer
My friend in high school had 2 vertebrae broken in his lower back because someone did this exact thing to him IN A PRACTICE SCRIMMAGE. He was a promising backup quarterback at our large HS then quit forever after that injury. I honestly can't believe people would do something that cruel and stupid but I watched it happen first hand.
Define "promising backup quarterback"
What is so hard about understanding why they changed the rule? The qbs are the money makers. If they get hurt because a 250 lb player lands on top on them when they are defenseless how is that cool? Now, its hard, but youre getting paid millions of dollars to adjust. Same people saying this rule is stupid, are the same people not buying tickets to the games to watch SUPERSTAR QB play. So spare me. Nobody wants to see backup qbs play. Its bad for the sport, and bad for tv. And i feel bad for the fans who spend their hard earned money.
Anthony Welmaker no. Just no. The rule is bad. And terrible.
That rule makes form tackles illegal lol
Backup QBs can win superbowls.
Anthony Welmaker Wow. What a terrible view of football. No one wants to watch the backup QB play? Why not? Everyone loves the rags to riches backup QB savrs the day storyline. You probably like watching offenses put up 50 points a game. I played defense so I like watching a defense shut a team out. That's an awsome game to me. If QB's don't want to play a violent game then they can play baseball. Don't ask grown men to be nice to each other though...
@@korylooper3170 nobody wants to see backup qbs play. Youre on your on. I much rather see Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers rather than a Kizer and whoever. So idk what youre talking about. And if that were that case, the rule would not have been changed and the ratings for packer game would not have been down last year. Try again
I thought Gerald worked for Vice but now he works for SB Nation? Nice!
Hipsters on sports...
shitty let's player on sports...
You must be new here.
"Ooooh, ooooh....hipsters"
I wonder when the NFL will adopt a rule that forbids rapists and domestic abusers to continue playing in the league. Maybe after Ben Rothlesburger leaves.
Who’s this new guy he sucks bring us Jon
Jacob Rojo You must be new here
I know a guy who played in the NFL & was on a champion team in the CFL who refused to let his son play organized football. He will even cuss at friends who let their kids play. He doesn't want people who he loves to get as battered as him, & he has a long rant about concussions.
So many of the weird rules in the NFL come from the 70s raiders. They were just crazy.
I became a fan of NFL football early in the 1960s. I wonder if these two guys have watched many of those old games. The game has changed a lot, with today's game featuring vastly more involvement (interference) by refs and far more injuries. Football has always been violent, but now players are faster, bigger, stronger and much more fit. That sounds like a good thing, but then you have more injuries, some of which have long term affects.
"love of the game, baby" gets me every time
Great video- but the game ended in a 17-17 tie when George Blanda hit a 52 yard field goal with seconds remaining…over Morris Stroud who was positioned under the goalpost.
Oh my god they're both so clever and funny i loved this
The NFL is super safe and boring af now.
And in 2019, it still wasn't enforced when Clowney speared Carson Wentz in the head while the latter was already falling down on the ground, knocking him out of the game.
Really loved the "gucci!" at the end there
You play to win the game, you play to win the game, n if killing the Quarterback by sack is it, you play to win the game dough
A sensible person
One of my biggest pet peeves with contact sports is when a guy lays a huge hit on a guy who isn't looking or is in a vulnerable position and then gets up celebrating like they're some kind of badass... like, congrats, you're acting like a tough guy after doing something objectively cowardly...
That looks like the old Oakland Raiders defensive lineman, Ben Davidson. Wow, that's going back a half century, or a bit more!!