You guys will want to talk about the 1998 F1 British Grand Prix. Michael Schumacher was leading the race in the last laps, when he was given a 10-second stop&go penalty for lapping another driver despite yellow flags (or under the safety car, I can't remember), and, at that point of the race, serving his whole penalty would have meant for Schumacher to lose too much time and to end up behind title-contender Mika Hakkinen (his advantage was bigger than just 10 seconds, but you know, in the pit lane you're not allowed to drive faster than a certain speed). But in F1, you have to serve your penalty within three laps from being told to do so, so his team (Ferrari) called him in on the very last lap of the race. Schumacher did enter the pit lane to serve his penalty, but in doing so he crossed the finish line (which extends across the pit lane) before reaching his pit box and won the race without having served his penalty. There were no rules forbidding this smart move (and no time for Schumacher to serve his penalty earlier due to a late communication by the race directors), so McLaren's (Hakkinen's team) appeal ended up being useless. Defintely the story of a weird rule!
Woah....that is amazing. Thank you so much for the write up, gonna dig around a bit more but I think you gave us enough to work with for a future episode. We'll make sure to give you a shout out, or feel free to DM me on twitter (@wbuik) if you want us to credit you another way
This is one of those rules where you can just feel the commissioners pinching the bridge of their noses, sighing, and going "No, god damn it... I can't... you just can't... why does this need... god damn it..."
@@JonatasAdoMso technicaly football is just a version of american football where the players keep fumbling a mid-field kick with their legs until the ball ends up in the goal
They were called "Raider Rules". They include "you can't stand on another person's shoulders during a field goal/punt", "you may not slather your entire body in stickum or any other substance", etc.
@@felixlueggerto I remember seeing that and thinking 'if you're not cheating, you're trying' basically summing up that era of football. Raiders were the bad guys and didnt give a crap.
From ‘The Simpsons’, s3e14, “Lisa the Greek”: Homer: Who do you like in the afternoon games? Lisa: Well, I like the 49ers because they're pure of heart, Seattle because they've got something to prove, and the Raiders because they always cheat. [fade to a few hours later] TV announcer: And on an extremely suspicious play, the Raiders win!
if you guys actually look in the sbnation website, jon bois uploaded a new article on the site, but not a video. it was about the AFC championship game.
From ‘The Simpsons’, s3e14, “Lisa the Greek”: Homer: Who do you like in the afternoon games? Lisa: Well, I like the 49ers because they're pure of heart, Seattle because they've got something to prove, and the Raiders because they always cheat. [fade to a few hours later] TV announcer: And on an extremely suspicious play, the Raiders win!
I once made two players fumble on ONE God blessed play. Third guy came out of nowhere, recovered and still scored. Madden hates me and I hate everything.
Watched this on tv when is was young. Was crazy. One minute you are cursing the Raiders for blowing the game and then it's like WTF just happened, lol.
Hilarious that it just happened again on Thursday Night Football in overtime. Once again between the Raiders and Chargers of all teams. This time the Chargers were the victors.
I think intentional fumbling should be legal. It's not a freebie guaranteed gain without risk. There is enormous risk, especially when defenses become aware of the tactic.
"Intentionally fumbling" the ball to make progress is nothing more than an illegal forward pass with extra steps. The NFL was right to stop that before it got out of hand.
@@chrischris9123 It's not a pass though. When a pass hits the ground, it's incomplete and the play is dead. When a fumble hits the ground, anyone can grab it.
@@heidi7151 That's exactly what I'm saying. Intentionally or unintentionally tossing/throwing/fumbling the ball forward in the hopes it goes to your teammates is an illegal pass. Bouncing it off the ground is the extra step. As soon as it hits the ground, it should be considered an incomplete pass. What you're asking is to get rid of incomplete passes, and replace them with "intentional fumbles." That's kinda ridiculous and destroys strategy at the end of tight games. And not just for teams who are down. If you're ahead by less than a score, you could run the clock down on 4th down with a charade of "intentional fumbles" instead of punting. That sounds like schoolyard shenanigans, not a professional sport.
The Raiders Dolphins and Steelers are the 1970s in NFL football. And well earned. Between 1971 and 1983, one of three (or both) appeared in 11 of 12 AFC Championship games. This was the best period of NFL football including MNF.
For the longest time, I've always wondered if there was actually a rule in place preventing this sort of act from happening. Cheers for clearing that one up for me! Top stuff!
What happened to the Packers in 2014 because of the rule change was rather unfortunate for them. They lost that game, and ended up with the 2 seed that year. If they had somehow come up with a win in the Bills game, they would have been the 1 seed. They ended up losing a road game in OT to the Seahawks, which would have been played in Green Bay instead if they had won the game vs the Bills.
@@brokenwave6125 It looks to me like the RB made it just out of the end zone, so if the rule doesn't exist, the ball would have been spotted on the 1 yard line.
I feel like, if they have exceptions that only enforce the rule on 4th down and after the 2-min warning, then they should have an exception to the exception, that DOESNT enforce the rule if the fumble recovery is in the end zone.... and possibly if it's behind the line of scrimmage
Honestly I think this one is a terrible rule as if you got rid of it that same Holy Roller play would still not be a TD today because it would be called an incomplete pass. It’s so stupid that if a guy fumbles late in a game it essentially ends the play before the ball is even recovered.
THE HOLY ROLLER...is like The Mona Lisa....a true piece of Art. Like no other. I remember when the Raiders wet the field down. Soooo many artistic plays The Raiders coined.
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Who else is here after this rule made the Browns lose to the Jets and maybe cost them the playoffs? Edit: It did not cost the Browns the playoffs, but it did give us more reason to laugh at the Jets since it made it impossible for them to get the #1 pick.
High school football official here. Every week before a game, our crew chief sends out a list of game situations for us to review. We talk about these on our drive to the game we are officiating. Sometimes it is just a worded situation and sometimes there is an accompanying video. We are expected to be able to identify the infraction, know the rule that applies and the enforcement. There is generally a theme that all the situations have in common, such as illegal forward passes or fair catches. Often times, these themes are uncommonly seen game situations that you rarely see, if ever. Before the game, the officials have a pre-game conference to go over potential game situations we are likely to face based on the teams playing that night. We also have a refresher of all major enforcement rules such as all the automatic first down penalties, all the loss of down penalties, etc. We also talk about end of half/end of game situations we are likely to see and what special rules apply. Every timeout, we get together to talk about what we might see next and what things to watch for that would be considered rare or unusual. At Halftime, we talk about what we think we got wrong or missed and what we think we nailed perfectly, despite the coach/players/fans losing their minds. After the game, we have a post-game conference to talk about what the Referee will be submitting on his report to the Commissioner of the League that details everything mentioned above. The next week, we get to see the commissioner's review of our game film and all the times we were out of position or our mechanics were poor. This is at the HIGH SCHOOL level. At every level, the amount of preparation and knowledge intensifies because so does the scrutiny. You better believe that NFL referees are expected to know every sentence in that rule book and when it applies. Keep in mind most NFL officials are already Doctors, Lawyers and big businessmen that already have a tendency to be that detail oriented.
I remember this rule coming into play in Baker‘s First Game with the Browns. I think it was Joel Bitonio picking up a loose ball from behind and running it for a decent amount of yards. I remember Joe Thomas being so proud of him back at the booth, only for the play to then be declared dead at the spot of recovery.
This rule just came into effect in a potential game winning fumble recovery within the last 2 minutes of overtime. Funnily enough, it involved the same two teams - Raiders vs Chargers. The chargers scored a touchdown anyway on the very next play.
I remember this game, watched it as a kid. I was a big Stabler fan at the time, and it was very disappointing because the Chargers were clearly the better team and had kicked the Raiders’ butt that day. I was shocked and so happy when this play happened.
There are 10 second runoff rules also for injuries and when the refs review a play, and for a couple other situations. its the rule that cost the lions the game against the falcons last year because they ran 10 seconds off when there were 7 seconds left in the game. Its happened other times also I just cant remember them off the top of my head
This just happened in the Bucs vs Randy tonight. Hilarious it just shows up now for me. Thanks for explaing why we lost out on like 20 yards and a first down lol
Watching this on 12/17/20, and this JUST HAPPENED in a Raiders/Chargers game. In overtime. With 2 minutes to go. And the referees all assembled as if they knew “know is the time.”
This is the kind of play we'd need Ed Hoculey to explain in the AFC championship. His soothing voice calmly explaining the precedent set out in 1970. Now with the great man retired, what hope have we!!
Can look on the bright side... Any Lions fan worth their salt know so many obscure rules because of all the bullshit this team has went through year in and year out
It came into play in a 2017 Bears Steelers game as well. On the final play of the half the Bears got the ball at the 1 yard line instead of scoring a safety. They kicked a field goal and ended up winning in OT. it was a situation where a player celebrated too early and slowed down and had the ball knocked away.
I actually saw this game (I was 14 years old in 1978), and at the moment the ball left Stabler's hand, I was saying that he "fumbled forward on purpose". Pete Banaszak (pronounced, BAN (which rhymes with "plan")-Ah-Zack, not BAHN-ah-zack), is the true hero on that play (his cheating look least obvious). As a Raiders fan, I knew that my team got away with one that day...and I'm also glad that they added rules to keep it from happening again.
Pretty sure this rule came up this season. TNF Jets at Browns. Mayfield fumbled in the last 2 minutes of the first half. A lineman picked up the ball and ran for around 10 yards but it was called back to the spot of the fumble. I was all “WHAT THE FATCH???”
For the 49ers in 2000 (I think), LG Ray Brown was called for being downfield when a forward pass was thrown. He went to the ref and explained how he blocked his man downfield, and when his man fell down he stood up straight with his arms at his side and didn't move. And the rule allows an OL to be downfield not blocking someone if he doesn't do anything else. It turns out Ray knew the rule but the ref didn't. It was pretty funny seeing the HUGE Ray Brown standing straight upright 11 yards downfield like a fan watching the play go on around him.
I was at this game! There was nearly a riot afterwards! At first the stadium went nearly silent in disbelief. A moment later fans were ripping out the seats.
This reminds me of the rule the NHL came up with when Sean Avery was intentionally trolling the goalie by waving his hands & stick in front of the goalie's face as to distract him so his team can score!! I thought it was genius, but the NHL was not having it & so they came up with the Avery rule saying you couldn't do that anymore!! 🏒🏒
A player who interferes with another player *especially the goalkeeper* while in an offside position in association football is called for offside. So while you can do that to the goalkeeper off corners, you (usually) can't during regulation play. Baseball seems to take distracting the pitcher as a kind of artform, but the pitchers in baseball just don't care anymore.
When he says, "the refs are just hanging on to knowledge, waiting to be like, AH, GOTCHA!!".......I felt that. If you've ever officiated football before, you know the case book is filled with the rare and unique plays that you have to study just for that once in a season play. Because you don't want to be the crew that messed it up and got it wrong. In officiating, you have to be ready for that rare play.
You should make an episode about Martín Palermo, a soccer player. In 1999 he kicked a penalty with both legs - he slipped - and forced a new rule. He also scored a goal hanging from a goalpost, and had the world's farthest headgoal.
You've got to talk about the underarm bowling orchestrated by Australian captain Greg Chappell to his younger brother Trevor, in the final play of a cricket game in 1981 between Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand needed a six to tie the game and so Greg ordered his brother to roll the ball along the ground (at the time, totally legal) to prevent the batter from slugging it over the fence to hit the six needed to tie the game, not even win it. The International Cricket Council swiftly banned anything like that happening again. It caused such an uproar that even the Prime Ministers of both countries made comment on it.
Did this in JV as a lineman, was lead blocking for my QB and he kind of just chucked it forward in the end zone when he got tackled and I dove on it. JV football was so shot and so fun
The hate here is weird. This is a genuinely good series, probably the best one since it spans even more than all the major leagues. Always happy to see a Weird Rules come out. (Best host too).
This is why I love the introduction of VAR (hey, that's how everybody calls it now). Referee is still a human and some players will try to foul anyone in order to win.
@M Detlef Under 1978 rules, it should have been called an illegal forward pass. Releasing the ball on purpose is a PASS not a fumble. And a forward pass that hits the ground uncaught (as the holy roller did) is an incomplete pass. The referee mistook the forward pass for a fumble.
The only reason it became a rule was because it won the game. In 1972 against the Steelers in the playoffs, Stabler appeared to try something just like it but the Steelers recovered the ball. The play bent the living hell out of what is considered a fumble, what is a forward pass, what is possession, and so on. Oakland simply pulled off an unheard of sandlot type of play and made it look like they were just as frazzled as the Chargers were. I honestly believe they practiced this as it happened.
Another example of the NFL backing up an epically SORRY refereeing job by instituting a poorly conceived rule instead of saying, "Yeah, the officials effed up REPEATEDLY on that play." Pathetic.
Exactly. No one believes the referees did not understand what they were seeing. The Raiders were a much more prestigious club, so the league was comfortable with officials that showed favoritism. This was not the first or only example, just the most extreme. If the league feels compelled to protect corrupt officiating, the compromise is to add rules so league officials can pretend they are fixing the problem. Adding rules is easy. Fixing corrupt officials is hard.
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 I remember the very first replay of this that I saw on the day of, and thinking, "You gotta be kidding." I was utterly DUMBFOUNDED that this blatant garbage was allowed to stand. Chargers fans had every right to be outraged.
@@richardadams4928 It was clearly corruption. The falling player that "recovered" the incomplete pass, he grabs the ball with two hands and swings it forward before releasing, where the entire officiating team can get a very good look at exactly what he is doing. If you look at a grainy replay from the endzone it looks obvious enough. But from where multiple officials on the pitch were standing, it would be even clearer.
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 Even though John Madden had some success rehabilitating his image as an announcer, I always remembered crap like this as part and parcel of his coaching legacy as a cheater and a coach for some of the dirtiest teams I ever saw. Pretty low.
I was at bar w/ some younger guys watching that Packers game. I say “yeah that’s the Dave Casper rule”. All the other guys were like “who’s Dave Casper?”
When? The worst team at the current moment is the Cardinals. Browns are known for bad coaching decisions. You get my point by now. There is always some team who is worse than the Raiders
I had a friend, who whenever we played touch football, whenever he got the ball, he’d just run straight into people and right before they were about to touch hi, he’d let go of the ball and roll it in between their legs. We won most of the time.
You guys will want to talk about the 1998 F1 British Grand Prix. Michael Schumacher was leading the race in the last laps, when he was given a 10-second stop&go penalty for lapping another driver despite yellow flags (or under the safety car, I can't remember), and, at that point of the race, serving his whole penalty would have meant for Schumacher to lose too much time and to end up behind title-contender Mika Hakkinen (his advantage was bigger than just 10 seconds, but you know, in the pit lane you're not allowed to drive faster than a certain speed).
But in F1, you have to serve your penalty within three laps from being told to do so, so his team (Ferrari) called him in on the very last lap of the race. Schumacher did enter the pit lane to serve his penalty, but in doing so he crossed the finish line (which extends across the pit lane) before reaching his pit box and won the race without having served his penalty.
There were no rules forbidding this smart move (and no time for Schumacher to serve his penalty earlier due to a late communication by the race directors), so McLaren's (Hakkinen's team) appeal ended up being useless.
Defintely the story of a weird rule!
Woah....that is amazing. Thank you so much for the write up, gonna dig around a bit more but I think you gave us enough to work with for a future episode. We'll make sure to give you a shout out, or feel free to DM me on twitter (@wbuik) if you want us to credit you another way
Lafayet - DTA awesome story. SBnation awesome reply/offer of credit.
Otherwise, I guess 1 million dollars via bank transfer would also be great ahahahahah :P
While at the F1 subject, look for Senna's record of fastest lap while using the box pit lane...
Sweet, looking forward to this episode.
Intentionally fumbling to score? Sounds like my love life.
Ultra Hero damn
I don’t get it
Oof
@@naphtalinosayame9681 think about it.
Makes no sense. This kinda guy says thats what she said the everything bc it kinda works.
This is one of those rules where you can just feel the commissioners pinching the bridge of their noses, sighing, and going "No, god damn it... I can't... you just can't... why does this need... god damn it..."
Makes sense that you can't keep tossing the ball forwarding, and let it be considered a fumble.
@@tylerhorn3712 Otherwise players will just keep it going and now we're playing a different sport altogether.
@@JonatasAdoM It would be much more like rugby, where the game keeps going forever, in either direction.
@@JonatasAdoMso technicaly football is just a version of american football where the players keep fumbling a mid-field kick with their legs until the ball ends up in the goal
They were called "Raider Rules". They include "you can't stand on another person's shoulders during a field goal/punt", "you may not slather your entire body in stickum or any other substance", etc.
don’t let this distract you from the fact that the British blew a 13 colony lead
Now that is funny
@Harry Engel That isn't as funny as the 13 colony lead.
Harry Engel so what was the point of commenting on stuff everyone knows that doesn’t add anything
Long distance relationships rarely work.
Oh Yeah Yeah lol
How many plays from the John Madden Raiders led to rule changes? The dude has become football incarnate. Legend!
That's the Raiders if the 70s in General. Matt Millen said on the America's Game episode about the 1980 Raiders that Cheating is encouraged
Why else would there be a football video game series named after him?
@@felixlueggerto I remember seeing that and thinking 'if you're not cheating, you're trying' basically summing up that era of football. Raiders were the bad guys and didnt give a crap.
Razz415 I thought it was “If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying”
@@felixlueggerto It's not cheating if there isn't a rule against doing it.
I want to live in the universe where the ruling went the other way and 'intentional fumbles' become a part of NFL strategy
From ‘The Simpsons’, s3e14, “Lisa the Greek”:
Homer: Who do you like in the afternoon games?
Lisa: Well, I like the 49ers because they're pure of heart, Seattle because they've got something to prove, and the Raiders because they always cheat.
[fade to a few hours later]
TV announcer: And on an extremely suspicious play, the Raiders win!
Beef History: SB Nation vs Jon Bois
jon can't post a video until he defeats every other member of the sb nation video staff in fencing
SB Nation LMAO
@@SecretBaseSBN Come on Jon! Parry! Remember to Parry!!!!
if you guys actually look in the sbnation website, jon bois uploaded a new article on the site, but not a video. it was about the AFC championship game.
he put out an article about Pat Mahomes recently.
From ‘The Simpsons’, s3e14, “Lisa the Greek”:
Homer: Who do you like in the afternoon games?
Lisa: Well, I like the 49ers because they're pure of heart, Seattle because they've got something to prove, and the Raiders because they always cheat.
[fade to a few hours later]
TV announcer: And on an extremely suspicious play, the Raiders win!
@Dottoman D&D DM?
Who dat
I've fumbled my way to victory several times in madden
Well he was the Raiders' coach, so it makes sense
It's not a glitch... it's a game mechanic ;)
*intentional game design*
I once made two players fumble on ONE God blessed play. Third guy came out of nowhere, recovered and still scored. Madden hates me and I hate everything.
Watched this on tv when is was young. Was crazy. One minute you are cursing the Raiders for blowing the game and then it's like WTF just happened, lol.
I love these 'weird rules' videos. Well, I love the other ones too, but these are hilarious.
Hilarious that it just happened again on Thursday Night Football in overtime. Once again between the Raiders and Chargers of all teams. This time the Chargers were the victors.
I think intentional fumbling should be legal. It's not a freebie guaranteed gain without risk. There is enormous risk, especially when defenses become aware of the tactic.
"Intentionally fumbling" the ball to make progress is nothing more than an illegal forward pass with extra steps. The NFL was right to stop that before it got out of hand.
@@chrischris9123 It's not a pass though. When a pass hits the ground, it's incomplete and the play is dead. When a fumble hits the ground, anyone can grab it.
@@heidi7151 That's exactly what I'm saying. Intentionally or unintentionally tossing/throwing/fumbling the ball forward in the hopes it goes to your teammates is an illegal pass. Bouncing it off the ground is the extra step. As soon as it hits the ground, it should be considered an incomplete pass.
What you're asking is to get rid of incomplete passes, and replace them with "intentional fumbles." That's kinda ridiculous and destroys strategy at the end of tight games.
And not just for teams who are down. If you're ahead by less than a score, you could run the clock down on 4th down with a charade of "intentional fumbles" instead of punting. That sounds like schoolyard shenanigans, not a professional sport.
I’m sort of nitpicking here, but technically a lateral is an intentional fumble
@@mtejada10 You're right.. sort of. But you can't lateral forward, and it's the forward progression that's being debated.
Surprised yall don't have seatgeek ads yet lmao
@Hussar no, no.... They can't be
@Hussar Well... I'm not watching SB Nation anymore
@Husarz Vox is pretty attrocious and liberal.
Husarz lmao ur kidding right.?
Husarz lmao that has to be a joke they're one of the most biased I've seen.
The Raiders Dolphins and Steelers are the 1970s in NFL football. And well earned. Between 1971 and 1983, one of three (or both) appeared in 11 of 12 AFC Championship games. This was the best period of NFL football including MNF.
For the longest time, I've always wondered if there was actually a rule in place preventing this sort of act from happening. Cheers for clearing that one up for me! Top stuff!
What happened to the Packers in 2014 because of the rule change was rather unfortunate for them. They lost that game, and ended up with the 2 seed that year. If they had somehow come up with a win in the Bills game, they would have been the 1 seed. They ended up losing a road game in OT to the Seahawks, which would have been played in Green Bay instead if they had won the game vs the Bills.
They got a safety either way...
@@brokenwave6125 It looks to me like the RB made it just out of the end zone, so if the rule doesn't exist, the ball would have been spotted on the 1 yard line.
That the same game Jordy Nelson dropped what would have been a 95 yard TD?
Couldn't have happened to a nicer qb.
I feel like, if they have exceptions that only enforce the rule on 4th down and after the 2-min warning, then they should have an exception to the exception, that DOESNT enforce the rule if the fumble recovery is in the end zone.... and possibly if it's behind the line of scrimmage
I literally can't stop watching these, they are too fascinating.
This rule was enforced yesterday during the chargers vs raiders Thursday night football game
And now yesterday in browns vs jets
These segments need more video
JE Y yea
It may be a copyright thing
So proud of you guys for finally discovering the secret behind Two Minute Warnings! *salute*
Honestly I think this one is a terrible rule as if you got rid of it that same Holy Roller play would still not be a TD today because it would be called an incomplete pass. It’s so stupid that if a guy fumbles late in a game it essentially ends the play before the ball is even recovered.
My grandma plays dice after mass and says she’s a “holy roller”
THE HOLY ROLLER...is like The Mona Lisa....a true piece of Art. Like no other.
I remember when the Raiders wet the field down. Soooo many artistic plays The Raiders coined.
Jameis Winston better be watching.
Eric G good one dudeeeeeee oh yeah yeah
@@landen2956 L
He's too busy baking up the turnovers at World Famous Jameis' Bakery to watch this
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Ezra Sitt and to provide crab legs to the homeless.
Who else is here after this rule made the Browns lose to the Jets and maybe cost them the playoffs?
Edit: It did not cost the Browns the playoffs, but it did give us more reason to laugh at the Jets since it made it impossible for them to get the #1 pick.
Suggestion for the next weird rules: When a Rams corner wrecks a Saints receiver in an NFC Championship game and it's not pass interference.
or Detriot
High school football official here. Every week before a game, our crew chief sends out a list of game situations for us to review. We talk about these on our drive to the game we are officiating. Sometimes it is just a worded situation and sometimes there is an accompanying video. We are expected to be able to identify the infraction, know the rule that applies and the enforcement. There is generally a theme that all the situations have in common, such as illegal forward passes or fair catches. Often times, these themes are uncommonly seen game situations that you rarely see, if ever.
Before the game, the officials have a pre-game conference to go over potential game situations we are likely to face based on the teams playing that night. We also have a refresher of all major enforcement rules such as all the automatic first down penalties, all the loss of down penalties, etc. We also talk about end of half/end of game situations we are likely to see and what special rules apply.
Every timeout, we get together to talk about what we might see next and what things to watch for that would be considered rare or unusual. At Halftime, we talk about what we think we got wrong or missed and what we think we nailed perfectly, despite the coach/players/fans losing their minds.
After the game, we have a post-game conference to talk about what the Referee will be submitting on his report to the Commissioner of the League that details everything mentioned above. The next week, we get to see the commissioner's review of our game film and all the times we were out of position or our mechanics were poor.
This is at the HIGH SCHOOL level. At every level, the amount of preparation and knowledge intensifies because so does the scrutiny. You better believe that NFL referees are expected to know every sentence in that rule book and when it applies. Keep in mind most NFL officials are already Doctors, Lawyers and big businessmen that already have a tendency to be that detail oriented.
You got to love those "FINE! WE'LL PUT IN THE RULEBOOK!" moments
RIP Ken “The Snake” Stabler
I remember this rule coming into play in Baker‘s First Game with the Browns. I think it was Joel Bitonio picking up a loose ball from behind and running it for a decent amount of yards.
I remember Joe Thomas being so proud of him back at the booth, only for the play to then be declared dead at the spot of recovery.
Was Joe Thomas on the field
@@calebbruck1586 nope, but he was part of the NFL Network Crew
@@calebbruck1586 first offensive lineman in NFL history
This rule just came into effect in a potential game winning fumble recovery within the last 2 minutes of overtime. Funnily enough, it involved the same two teams - Raiders vs Chargers. The chargers scored a touchdown anyway on the very next play.
This rule just came into play with the Browns and the Jets.
That ball didn’t touch the ground so it opened doors to what is a fumble
I remember this game, watched it as a kid. I was a big Stabler fan at the time, and it was very disappointing because the Chargers were clearly the better team and had kicked the Raiders’ butt that day. I was shocked and so happy when this play happened.
I wonder how many rule changes come into effect at the 2 minute warning
A lot....
There are 10 second runoff rules also for injuries and when the refs review a play, and for a couple other situations. its the rule that cost the lions the game against the falcons last year because they ran 10 seconds off when there were 7 seconds left in the game. Its happened other times also I just cant remember them off the top of my head
This just happened in the Bucs vs Randy tonight. Hilarious it just shows up now for me. Thanks for explaing why we lost out on like 20 yards and a first down lol
Watching this on 12/17/20, and this JUST HAPPENED in a Raiders/Chargers game. In overtime. With 2 minutes to go. And the referees all assembled as if they knew “know is the time.”
The worst part of this play was it cost the Chargers a playoff spot. Yet another instance of that team being cursed.
This is the kind of play we'd need Ed Hoculey to explain in the AFC championship. His soothing voice calmly explaining the precedent set out in 1970. Now with the great man retired, what hope have we!!
Wow this happen last night! History repeats its self
This is what being a lions fan is like.
Like blowing out green bay last game of the season and it means nothing. Epitome of being a snoil fan
Can look on the bright side... Any Lions fan worth their salt know so many obscure rules because of all the bullshit this team has went through year in and year out
It came into play in a 2017 Bears Steelers game as well. On the final play of the half the Bears got the ball at the 1 yard line instead of scoring a safety. They kicked a field goal and ended up winning in OT. it was a situation where a player celebrated too early and slowed down and had the ball knocked away.
Has taken place during bengals and steelers game
That's why I came here too
@@faycoffey2949 and me as well lol
These guys are great! Thanks for the sports and laughs. Please keep them coming
Coming back to this because it literally just happened in the chargers raiders game
I actually saw this game (I was 14 years old in 1978), and at the moment the ball left Stabler's hand, I was saying that he "fumbled forward on purpose". Pete Banaszak (pronounced, BAN (which rhymes with "plan")-Ah-Zack, not BAHN-ah-zack), is the true hero on that play (his cheating look least obvious). As a Raiders fan, I knew that my team got away with one that day...and I'm also glad that they added rules to keep it from happening again.
Thank goodness someone told them how to pronounce Banaszak.
funny that about 23 years later, this same team was involved in another "controversial fumble", but that time, Oakland got burned....tuck rule!
Maybe the tuck rule was karma for the holy roller.
Tuck rule when it wasnt a rule. Pathetic.
Another rule is no tackling hard. Lol
Well that explains why the Browns loss to the Jets today. Kareem couldn't recover Baker's "fumble."
Well it was a fumble, but not an intentional one so it is absolutely dumb that this rule still applies
it just happened
This video was the first thing I thought of when it happened!
ALSO a Raiders vs Chargers game
I feel so old! These young guys talk about the 70's like it's the Civil War era.. lol
Related to this topic, another one of my favorite football oddities: the Nebraska University fumble rooskie
Look it up it’s great
Ryan and Will are the perfect duo for this series.
I thought the play itself was funny now the commentary is even better 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
This just happened again today on 12/17/2020 to prevent a touchdown via forward fumbling between the chargers and the raiders! How crazy
Intentionally fumbling... sounds like passing
You guys seem to miss just how brilliant that play was. It was legal and an unbelievable case of making something out of nothing.
Pretty sure this rule came up this season. TNF Jets at Browns. Mayfield fumbled in the last 2 minutes of the first half. A lineman picked up the ball and ran for around 10 yards but it was called back to the spot of the fumble. I was all “WHAT THE FATCH???”
For the 49ers in 2000 (I think), LG Ray Brown was called for being downfield when a forward pass was thrown. He went to the ref and explained how he blocked his man downfield, and when his man fell down he stood up straight with his arms at his side and didn't move. And the rule allows an OL to be downfield not blocking someone if he doesn't do anything else. It turns out Ray knew the rule but the ref didn't. It was pretty funny seeing the HUGE Ray Brown standing straight upright 11 yards downfield like a fan watching the play go on around him.
Man, the 70s just screwed the Browns
The 70s, the 80s, the 90s, 00s, 10s, The 20s aren't looking too bad so far though.
I was at this game! There was nearly a riot afterwards! At first the stadium went nearly silent in disbelief. A moment later fans were ripping out the seats.
This reminds me of the rule the NHL came up with when Sean Avery was intentionally trolling the goalie by waving his hands & stick in front of the goalie's face as to distract him so his team can score!! I thought it was genius, but the NHL was not having it & so they came up with the Avery rule saying you couldn't do that anymore!! 🏒🏒
I think a goalie slashed him too
A player who interferes with another player *especially the goalkeeper* while in an offside position in association football is called for offside. So while you can do that to the goalkeeper off corners, you (usually) can't during regulation play.
Baseball seems to take distracting the pitcher as a kind of artform, but the pitchers in baseball just don't care anymore.
Jake Shattuck ya he got slashed and I’m glad he was
When he says, "the refs are just hanging on to knowledge, waiting to be like, AH, GOTCHA!!".......I felt that. If you've ever officiated football before, you know the case book is filled with the rare and unique plays that you have to study just for that once in a season play. Because you don't want to be the crew that messed it up and got it wrong. In officiating, you have to be ready for that rare play.
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that the refs missed an obvious pi call
And due to that call and a series of unfortunate events my saints aren't going to the Superbowl god damn it Spanos
And cost the saints a ring
Too bad they got the ball in overtime and couldn’t score
@@ohnah6261 The game doesn't go to overtime if the call is made properly.
ericholt56 Is is safe to say New Orleans is cursed at this point?
this man's 80's glasses are killin' me. he could either be 29 or 58.
The Cody Parkey Kick deserves a DEEP rewind.
T-Jay i would prefer to not see anything about that on this channel... or any channel... or hear about it... or acknowledge it happened.
@@pnessi570 Bears fan?
Kendrick Mott bears fan who was at the game...
Facts they need to prove I’m elite
Phil Historia Do you need a hug?
"Maddens on the field, He wants to know if it's real, they say yes, get your big butt out of here!"
EPIC
The call was by Bill King who was the voice of the Raiders and the Oakland A's.
You should make an episode about Martín Palermo, a soccer player. In 1999 he kicked a penalty with both legs - he slipped - and forced a new rule. He also scored a goal hanging from a goalpost, and had the world's farthest headgoal.
I love being a Raiders fan
You've got to talk about the underarm bowling orchestrated by Australian captain Greg Chappell to his younger brother Trevor, in the final play of a cricket game in 1981 between Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand needed a six to tie the game and so Greg ordered his brother to roll the ball along the ground (at the time, totally legal) to prevent the batter from slugging it over the fence to hit the six needed to tie the game, not even win it. The International Cricket Council swiftly banned anything like that happening again. It caused such an uproar that even the Prime Ministers of both countries made comment on it.
RIP to a legend.
This might be the best of this series
Waiting for a team to do this with 2mins and 1 second left in the 4th quarter to win the super bowl
Crazy that this rule came into play today, Dec 17th 2020, with the same teams Raiders vs Chargers
The last two minutes of this video had me dying!
Did this in JV as a lineman, was lead blocking for my QB and he kind of just chucked it forward in the end zone when he got tackled and I dove on it. JV football was so shot and so fun
RIP San Diego Chargers and those sweet yellow pants.
The hate here is weird. This is a genuinely good series, probably the best one since it spans even more than all the major leagues. Always happy to see a Weird Rules come out. (Best host too).
Here after the chargers raiders game in 2020
Everybody on the field knows the rule. The only reason Eddy Lacy picked the ball up is so it wouldn’t be a TD.
of course it had to come up in a Jets x Browns game xD
This is why I love the introduction of VAR (hey, that's how everybody calls it now).
Referee is still a human and some players will try to foul anyone in order to win.
you're stuck in the Charlie Rose room
I like it when Ryan does physical gags.
This happened to the browns this year
Sad, you must be a browns fan
Frank Nitti I’m a Vikings fan, I just remember it for some reason, still I don’t really see what’s sad about that, they have a great future
I love the idea that that's why there's the 2 minute warning is to review all the ways they are not allowed to win
Anyone here after the browns and jets game
You guys should do an episode on the under-arm incident between Australia and New Zealand. The most famous and hilarious weird rule in cricket history
Beef history: Refs vs. Saints
Michael Crook refs vs anybody playing the patriots
Intentional backwards fumble is just a backwards lateral though. It's stupid that they count it down when someone else picks it up after that.
The "Holy Roller" should have been called an incomplete forward pass.
@M Detlef Under 1978 rules, it should have been called an illegal forward pass. Releasing the ball on purpose is a PASS not a fumble. And a forward pass that hits the ground uncaught (as the holy roller did) is an incomplete pass. The referee mistook the forward pass for a fumble.
Not if it was underhand. Raiders motto?
Just win baby. Football sucks today. Its been unwatchable for 25 yrs.
@@toddhursey7418 it doesn't matter how the ball is thrown, just which direction it goes.
The only reason it became a rule was because it won the game. In 1972 against the Steelers in the playoffs, Stabler appeared to try something just like it but the Steelers recovered the ball. The play bent the living hell out of what is considered a fumble, what is a forward pass, what is possession, and so on. Oakland simply pulled off an unheard of sandlot type of play and made it look like they were just as frazzled as the Chargers were. I honestly believe they practiced this as it happened.
This just screwed over the browns
I didn’t know this play existed before now. As a Steeler’s fan, thank you, Raiders, you beautiful bastards.
I ask again, please make a video on the Houston Oilers franchise.
Another example of the NFL backing up an epically SORRY refereeing job by instituting a poorly conceived rule instead of saying, "Yeah, the officials effed up REPEATEDLY on that play." Pathetic.
Exactly. No one believes the referees did not understand what they were seeing. The Raiders were a much more prestigious club, so the league was comfortable with officials that showed favoritism. This was not the first or only example, just the most extreme. If the league feels compelled to protect corrupt officiating, the compromise is to add rules so league officials can pretend they are fixing the problem. Adding rules is easy. Fixing corrupt officials is hard.
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 I remember the very first replay of this that I saw on the day of, and thinking, "You gotta be kidding." I was utterly DUMBFOUNDED that this blatant garbage was allowed to stand. Chargers fans had every right to be outraged.
@@richardadams4928 It was clearly corruption. The falling player that "recovered" the incomplete pass, he grabs the ball with two hands and swings it forward before releasing, where the entire officiating team can get a very good look at exactly what he is doing. If you look at a grainy replay from the endzone it looks obvious enough. But from where multiple officials on the pitch were standing, it would be even clearer.
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 Even though John Madden had some success rehabilitating his image as an announcer, I always remembered crap like this as part and parcel of his coaching legacy as a cheater and a coach for some of the dirtiest teams I ever saw. Pretty low.
2:09 shoutout to Action Park
Traction Park... Gotta love it.
I was at bar w/ some younger guys watching that Packers game. I say “yeah that’s the Dave Casper rule”.
All the other guys were like “who’s Dave Casper?”
Back when the Raiders weren't the premier laughing stock of the league
yeaaah aiiiiiight. i guess that belongs to the cardinals. my raiders are right number 2 though
When? The worst team at the current moment is the Cardinals. Browns are known for bad coaching decisions. You get my point by now. There is always some team who is worse than the Raiders
Tylersaurand back when the Raiders actually played like the Raiders
Jake Shattuck lions are still and will be laughing stock. The browns don’t need a dome to attract a loyal fan base.
@@dl4577 no Giants,Bucs,Dolphins,Steelers,Redskins are worst so no. Not even close
I had a friend, who whenever we played touch football, whenever he got the ball, he’d just run straight into people and right before they were about to touch hi, he’d let go of the ball and roll it in between their legs. We won most of the time.
anyone here after the browns lost to the jets