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- Bill talks about his time in the Army.
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Bill: serious talk
People in the background: wE dIDdLe DidDlE diDdlE ALl tHe dAy
I was waiting for him to stand up and tell at them to shut up xD
Poor Bill. He was just a bit dumb but in the end wasn't a bad guy. But the loyalty for Dutch was to big for staying with Arthur and John. Same as Javier.
@pnpat the 1st Javier is more than a G
At the showdown in the end he was so undecisive who to stand with too. Would've liked having him join the good half of the camp, he was useful in combat.
Of course that was hopeless, knowing the first game. :(
And gay
ever play red dead 1 where bill shoots john and nearly kills him
what does loyalty mean?
4:50 Bill ironically praising Dutch compared to some power-hungry corrupt officers in the army while Dutch is on that very path.
Good stuff. He was so close to reaching self-awareness.
And then the first game
Actually the way Bill describes his captain...and the way he words his sentences and the fact he was discharge for both deviency and attempted murder, I have to question...was bill raped by his captain? I mean it almost sounds like he is both scared and disgusted talking about him
like arthur says in beaver hollow, bill just doesnt want to see the truth
Bill needs a hug.
Yes, embrace me, brother.
@@billwilliamson338 is it true that you are in fact gay?
@@BigVince80bce yes he's actually gay
@@BigVince80bce no no it was a woman I was robbed by a woman
You mean Marion
1:27 The way Mr Pearson looked at Bill when he said the sheep / people speech made me burst out laughing. Like "Wtf are you saying Bill?"
Bill's Actor Steve J Palmer Is a really chill and nice guy, I spoke to him once and he was such a happy man
bills story about men leaving the army and getting back in hits close to home to this day.
still an accurate statement to this day
Yeah, well, obviously, this story was written nowadays. This isn't a documentary.
@@CaptainBohnenbrot hahaha my thoughts too reading those comments
@@CaptainBohnenbrot aye, but it speaks true for the past 3 centuries.
sounds like people leaving jail
I like the work they put in for bill's writing. He's definitely more complex than in rdr 1.
All of them are. RDR 1's characters are pretty one-dimensional, specially compared to how they're depicted in RDR 2.
"You always were blah blah blah, John!" -RDR1 Bill
I found it funny when Tilly went through his stuff and discovered that Bill/Marion was kicked out Of the army. Loved it when he plays a drunk. Nice drunk playing Bill.
I’m crying over Pearson’s facial expressions as Bill stammers away.
Bill got some cool stories
Hell yeah i do
@@billwilliamson338 is Rick Grimes a sheep too?
@@Thomas_Angelo your missus is
@@billwilliamson338 nah man. Sarah is great. She ain't a sheep.
2:31
Arthur: "Hey Bill, you ever been in the swamps in Lemoyne during the night?" 🙃
My take based on Bill's stories: Bill's homosexual. It's why he's especially embarrassed by his first name, Marion. He probably spent his life trying to appear ultra-masculine. That led him to joining the army. The PTSD from combat alone was one thing, but he'd also had a secret romantic relationship with his captain. However, the captain decided to break it off, to which Bill responded by trying to kill the captain in a fit of rage. The captain, because of his rank, was able to avoid any consequences while Bill was publicly outed and dishonorably discharged.
Upon leaving the army, both his PTSD and reputation made a legit way of life impossible. He couldn't hold a job, so took to being a common thief. That's how he met Dutch, a perfect storm. He was a father figure, secure in his masculinity. Dutch, seeing the opportunity to have military experience in his gang, quickly offered Bill the opportunity to join. But what Dutch assumes is loyalty is both Bill's willingness to be near him and that it's his only option as he can't rejoin the army.
Pretty much bills origin story right there good job
What in the fairytale sht is this
Damn. That's just sad. If only someone accepted Bill for who he was. Might’ve had a better life and avoided the mess he ended up getting himself into.
Abigail was really suprised to hear Bill has gone mad and so ruthless in RDR1, I understood why she thought that way when I played RDR 2. Actually I felt a little bit pity for him
I've always felt bad for bill hes always bullied by everyone
*camp fire exists*
Bill: wHeN i wAs iN tHe aRmY
He's actully a really complex and intresting charachter.
4:10 i think bill might have been sleeping with men or is a homosexual, a lot of people have come up with this theory based on how he was discharged from the army but i think this line right here confirms it for me, the way he quickly affirms that it was a woman that robbed had him , it appears that he was robbed by a man that he was sleeping with.
he made the gesture of "autistic" As in he got robbed by someone with autism or down syndrome
🅵🅰🅶🅶🅾🆃
It’s ironic that Micah talks about espionage. He’s not been turned yet but might be considering it
I believe that he’s actually the rat from the begining. And he was the one who alerted the pinkertons in the blackwater heist. This guy is one of the most important character of the whole RDR franchise , he is the reason of the gang downfall.
@@Kira-ik8ld There’s no evidence of that. Milton literally says that Micah started ratting after Guarma. The gang was getting really sloppy and Dutch made horrible decisions and really thought that people were stupid enough to not catch on to them. Take the whole grays vs braithewaites plot line and you’ll see that they didn’t even need a rat they were doomed from the start
Despite the argument the other two comments are going in to. No, he was sucking up to an army man he knows is loyal to Dutch but very stupid and able to be tricked, and already beginning to use his gullibility off the get he slyly accuses Arthur of moving suspicious and trying to ruin an operation and get intel the same way he is and later accuses Arthur of using an army word that would cause Bill to after the ass kissing make him understand and believe Micah, even if he doesn’t know it’s a direct statement he’s not gonna doubt if Micah is lying in that moment just due to the way he phrases it secretly so direct, make Bill think he’s putting something together in his own mind when he starts suspecting Arthur and believes Dutch whenever Dutch gets manipulated. Because he is the sheep, I don’t feel like a better man than him but I can see the difference no doubt. An army soldier that “re-enlisted” with Dutch’s gang, to be a soldier in something even if it loses its morals, just like people going into the real army today, just being loyal to something, it is sadly “sheepish” but it’s closer to institutionalization.
@@josephstalin2606 Micah was considering turning Dutch into the law. Proof of this was when you visit Micah for the stagecoach robbery after Strawberry. Around his camp you can see a leftover wanted sign of Dutch. This enforces his character as seeing the world as black and white; Living or dying. He was in it for the gang with the sole hope of surviving. I thought you were paying attention.
@@cheefqueef6494 Did I say he wasn’t? You just need to read my comment again. Milton literally says in game that Micah didn’t start ratting until after Guarma. I never said he didn’t consider betraying them prior to that. In fact, the whole reason Micah waited so long to actually turn in Dutch was because he still wanted the Blackwater money and only Dutch knew where it was. Either way, whatever fuck ups the gang faced prior to Guarma were mostly Dutch, Arthur, or Hoseas fault. The only thing Micah caused was the Blackwater ferry job and he didn’t do that with the intention of betraying the gang because their bounties weren’t even high before the Blackwater ferry job, he just did it because he knew there would be a lot of money and didn’t consider the risks. I was paying attention to the game the only one that sounds confused here is you
Bill is what you call 'Street smart'.
Bill has PTSD
Yeah, I feel really bad for him. His PTSD makes him so afraid of everyone else who is in a position of power, he was willing to follow Dutch into the fire. In the first game, you can see Bill became a corrupt leader, just like he had always feared. It's awful and sad.
@@thaliabalia9871 I don't he killed us natives
@@daffodil815 who told natives to start a war
@@TypicalIndian1981 natives always defended themselves, fighting against colonisation is self degence
Yeah maybe or maybe he just is alive omg is alive damn.
The floor is reenlistment.
I'm playing for my second time some years later and I've come to really like Bill more as a character. He seems a bit abrassive but still very friendly and reliable, people underestimate him a lot.
0:33 R.I.P Abigail
LMAO
2:53
-horse noise
-fright
Bill: a horse
Bill is my favorite character all the time
.....red dead 1
@@goldenwind7138 his still a good character
@@draco9513 yeah
@@goldenwind7138 In RDR1, Bill Williamson was portrayed as a bloodthirsty psychopath with nothing in the way of redeeming qualities. He was completely one-dimensional, the rare villain who I derived genuine satisfaction from killing for just how much of a bastard he was.
RDR2 humanized him. You get to learn about his past, what he was like during his time in the gang, and why he turned out the way he did later on in the first game. Bill had been described by John as a "proud fool", and this game demonstrates that his reputation was not unwarranted, but it also shows that Bill had some altruistic qualities once upon a time. A good man? Hardly, but certainly not the monster we saw in the first game either.
When you think about it, Bill is actually one of the most tragic characters in the RDR story-and that's saying a lot. He'd been through hell up until he found Dutch, and once the gang splintered, his entire world crumbled and he eventually lost his mind. By the time he's shot dead at the end of the Nuevo Paraiso arc in RDR1, he's become little more than a rabid dog. You're practically doing him a favor by putting a bullet in his head.
So Bill in the prairie was like being in Tall Trees where the skinners would find u if u had a fire up, but the wolfs would eat u if the fire was out...
Many of the skinners themselves are native Americans I think it was intended that they would be exclusively native
@@vestty5802 well maybe
can you put the fire out and sleep?
@@samusaran13372 nope
That last Dutch speech really resonated with me
In what way? What Dutch says is true, but coming from him it's a lie. We know later on that he uses the Indian tribes to his advantage, so did he believe what he was saying or was he just projecting?
@@Vanilla_Bushwhacking
it's a mix of both, fellow thompson.
dutch has two sides to him, the one that is genuinely stand up and stands by his morals and values, protects those he loves etc.
then there's the side that ultimately wins where his only concern is fighting "change" and anyone caught up in that fight are acceptable losses to him.
i guess you can say, there was a time when dutch really believed in what he was saying here, among other things he says in the game, it's just that with time his conviction to those beliefs fade and a mask of it is left in order to serve his purposes (by the time of RD redemption 1).
@@Vanilla_Bushwhacking Saying that Dutch used the Wapiti to his advantage is a misinterpretation of the events of Chapter 6.
Without further context it seems that way but keep in mind that Leviticus Cornwall and Fort Wallace both conspired together to try to starve out/displace the Wapiti by stealing their horses (which they needed for hunting) and by withholding medicine from sick women, men, and children.
There’s also an encounter with Charles in Chapter 4 where he tells Arthur he’s leaving camp to help rescue Wapiti youth from reform schools. They were already being provoked into fighting long before Dutch got himself involved. Peytah even says himself that nobody made them do anything.
*_WHEN I WAS IN THE ARMY_*
NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAY WILLIAMSON
@@plumbago1476 bro?
I laughed my ass off when bill got scared by the horse
PTSD
@@branjer1304 oh ok
Bill stories are more interesting than dutchs plans
I can hear the cogs turning inside Pearson's head.
Ok Bill is now my favorite character behind Arthur
6:46
Arthur does his best Engineer 'Nope'.
Sorry, I had to toss that in there.
Dude, the lighting at 7:52 makes John’s eyes look weird 😂
He is a snake thats why his theme is American venom
in the scene where micah and bill talked bill seemed so proud of being in the cavalry i liked that
Bill and Javier weren’t bad for siding with Dutch. They just felt safer when things went to shit. They got caught in a dilemma.
1:25 *drops mic
Bill is my favourite character.
Bill always kind of struck me as a big kid
everyone : having a normal conversation
Arthur : 👁👃👁
Dutch goes full PC mode here
Marion Williamson
Aka Bill/William Williamson
Woody: BILL LOOK AN INJUN!
Bill: WHERE!?!
*People having a conversation*
Arthur- 👁👃👁
1:31 I can hear Dutch and molly dancing getting romantic in the background
Say what you want about Bill...
But his laugh is hilarious 🤣
Ironic that bill talks about how people are sheep.
Arthur got eyes on Micah
Sure?
Dudee bill is my fav not just cus of rdr2 but even 1, he was a unique villain, he was fearless and was feared but showed clear signs of goofiness and insecurity, and with john calling him dumb and stupid and treating him like a joke in the 1st game just made me more intrigued about his character amd then in rdr2 it saddens me to see what drove him to the path, he had a good heart but was just blindly loyal and u cant blame him, dutch and the gang were his everything, I've seen mostly other characters had some glimpses of life outside the gang too, whereas bill had nothing and still he was neglected, he was even smart enough to rob a bank, feared no one but dutch, cared about jack and all the others u never saw him do anything against human morals like micah and dutch did they had this creepy and fake aura around them, whereas bill was always a real one who had seen some really bad stuff in life(his ptsd) showing he was a badass outlaw it wasnt his fault how he turned out to be, almost everyone is to blame for what he became and that included arthur and john as well who mostly taunted him
He was just loyal to a fault and Rd2 only prepped him for Rd1 to where he was tired of being taken as a joke and looked at as a dummy plus his sexuality being put into question did him no favors either. Listening to some of those war stories Bill was only built for war and nothing else. Which is why after the fallout of the gang he started his own.
his giggles are so cute ahaha
I love how confident he gets when asked about his military service.
They really could have done so much more with his character
That first motion Bill does to sit down where he nearly nails Pearson in the face is just way too funny to me.
Dear #PointZero This is SUPER important to me and I am frustrated by it :(((
I have looked everywhere and found nothing. If you know, what triggers camp random conversations and encounters between two members? The very first time I played the story right on release (PC) we used to be able to comment on the encounter between two (or more) members right away but now I cannot say anything (what am I missing?) Also when observing a conversation between two members you can take a side but I don't know how that exactly works, is it locking on the member I want to take a side or the other way around? Last but not least, how to prevent multiple events from happening at the same time in the camp? Like you are talking to Hosea then you hear Grimshaw fighting with someone somewhere and by the time you get to that event, it is over. How to handle or prevent this? The very first playthrough was so immersive and amazing but 3 playthroughs afterward are never the same (Maybe rockstar changed some stuff) but please please as a Christmas gift help me understand the mechanic behind the camp conversations and events and how to get them to trigger as well what I mentioned above. I will love you for eternity.
You are awesome! 💖☃️🎄🎄🎄☃️💖
I have had the same problem. First playthrough you can respond, now it just doesn't work.
@@commandermike2886 Any idea why? For me, what I mentioned above totally killed the story mode! Camp life is the core of the game and before the release, I watched the playthrough twice (PS4 on YT) and then I played myself and it felt more lively and interactive, as if what you do and how you react matters. Now you feel like an observer who can only watch (sometimes while watching one of 3 other triggers at the same time and enrages you) I still sometimes can respond but no idea how that happens or why it does not happen. (one clear example: When Pearson yells at the whole camp that we are going to starve you get to say, "Are we really that low?" now... nothing. Someone help me, please!!
@@Neo101ai Yeah sadly I have no idea why that happens, but it's definitely a problem.
Try a fresh install. My dialogue options for all NPCs were bugged to shit by the time I reached 86% completion, I had to reinstall after backing up my saves in order to fix it.
Bill just needed a good friend
Maybe Bill's parents or grandparents were Polish or Czech. Would explain the name "Marion", could be coming from the "Marian", which with a slavic dialect sounds more masculine
0:26 So if RDR shares the same universe as the GTA series,there are San Fierro and San Francisco at the same time?
4:27 "And then I met Dutch. [...] I've seen what Uncle Sam can do up close. NOTHING will make you believe in a man like Dutch more than seeing what power can...what power can do to a captain in the US Army."
Bill has got better social skills than I do xD
Bill and uncle tell the best funniest stories at campfire
THIS TINY BIT OF DIALOGUE FEELS LIKE TARANTINO MOVIE,
Pearson for a Second was like: what this fool talking
Don't you never leave love aside, Arthur... *İts all we got*
You are the one who leave love dutch...
It's sad to see Bill praising Dutch but in the next clip Dutch straight up trash talks him
Bill was doing just fine with first campfire talk until he brought up that "if you can a tell the difference between a sheep and a man, then you're a better man than me" bit. 😂
Pearson was like.. "whut??"
Could Bill be an ancestor of Trevor Phillips? They remind me of each other.
Not Bill but Micha probably
@@evolyn403 That’s a good point. In fact you can have Trevor looking like Micah with a facial hair option on GTA.
I've honestly thought the same thing about Bill and Trevor
@@littlej493 No I thought about it. Trevor seems more like Micah. Trevor just isn’t a rat and Micah is a bit like Trevor without the crank.
Bill is so zesty
Bill u can't be cool n fool at the same time
Marion
6:47 engineer gaming
I guess bro
6:47 NOPE
Similar I am, but when I got out I tried lsd
Are we going to ignore the fact Pearson scratched his leg over his boot?
I work smart
Them injins
0:28
Am I missing something here? Why did he say that to John?
Bc Abigail was a working girl
@@shaiajwndbd2119 abigail was a whore? Oh wow. I didn't know that. I just started playing so I didn't know much about this game
Not only that, though.
In RDR 1, John says that his mother was a prostitute who died during childbirth, so Bill could be referring to that as well.
But, yeah, Abigail was a prostitute who slept with pretty much everyone in the gang. She fell in love with John, had Jack and stopped all that business.
@@b.u.l.1734 geez are all women prostitutes in R* games? They didnt have to do them dirty like that.. Men aren't all that great either.
@Jupe I guess I never thought about the rich women. But then again its the 1800. Not surprised the women were treated that way. or maybe stuff like this happens all the time in America. So I'm really not surprised.
I never saw this one.
I don't get the robbing part, what? is he saying that it's less embarrasing to be robbed by a woman than a Black person? is that it???
He's gay. So he probably was robbed by a man and tried to disguise it as if it was a woman that robbed him. My 2 cents on it.
@@SuperRuiPacheco that's how it sounded to me as well, someone he had relations with. And then he realized that he shouldn't have left the gender up for interpretation
Robbed by a man he slept with.
Bill’s page on the RDR wiki says that “he was robbed by a “woman” (implied to be a cross-dresser).”
What I don't understand is the gesture he makes while saying it. What tf does it mean?
Sorry, loved the vid but too much micah
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bill = joe ?