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The attack tree is very good for duels because of effortless talent, specially when you cover its lack of rage generation with a horn of fury and a commander that can double proc horn and rage talents.
Attack tree was always good for rallys and duels. We just didnt have a commander like liu who benefits these crazy much from it. Open field i still think sargon will do better unless they swarming you
Note that a lot of Liu Che testing all relies in his expertise. That is what makes him great with Sargon. If you are saving heads and just planning to 5511 him first until more Smite commanders are released, still put him behind Scipio or Martel. Skippy because you are doing double AOE and Martell if you already have guan + skippy and just want a tankier secondary march. Martel doesn't boost skill damage but all his passive stats do help . Plus Martell is "free".
Sooooo what's with Alex? Is it good or not! We get it that LC with Sargon is busted but what about other infa coms? I wanted a video with explanations and i m looking forward to it. Thnx again for awesome content!
Thank you, it's so related to me because I just have scipio expert in my first SOC HA and ready to expert Liu Che Scipi expert - Liu che expert is badass combo with really fast rage + horn of fury
Hi Chisgule, would you prefer an expertised Liu Che with a 5550 Sargon, or an expertised Scipio Prime with a 55x5 Liu Che or a 5551 scipio with an expertised Liu Che? Im judging between the latter two because i see scipio’s expertise need a silence effect to work which scipio and LC combo lacks, and the skill damage boost does not work with Liu Che.
Can anyone explain to me please? If Liu che isn't expertised, there won't be any additional "RED DAMAGES" added to Sargon's skill damages? Or how does it work ??
Okay now, if we use Liu primary and sargon secondary could you tell us if we should switch to arch formation and which stats to go after on the armaments please?
Why didn’t you test feral nature all the way? I feel like that’s the best part of the skill tree and that way you can generate rage much faster. Plus LC is doing extra normal attacks just don’t see why you wouldn’t test that
@@zkx2417 no, wedge would be better. The main damage dealer in sargon liu che is sargon with skill damage. The whole point of this combo is making sargon active skill better
I'm using Martel-liu, debuff of commanders like alex & scipio will apply to three targets and half of Sargon skills doesn't work with liu but Martel buff will apply for all the targes and you get all the benefits of liu aoe, Martel is also a good place to put a high dps commander and protect it
Id like to see testing with ring of doom and if Louie procs it more often and/or if it changes results. Willing to bet that it does. Additionally, would like to see how Armaments can sway the battle. Overall still going to invest, as Mr. Louie looks super good. 👌 Thanks for the vid!
Does Liu Che get extra benefits from equipment since it is just raw stats? Also... can you plz run the sames test with Scipio Liu Che....I dont have any heads for Sargon
Skipi liuche much better bro.. dont worry its the best infa pair in kvk lol... no one do duel in kvk and take sargon for that.. Just run scipio primary and liuche as secondary.. you gonna get so much better result than those running with liuche sargon/ liuche alex
Thanks for the tests, but... - You say that not everyone has Sargon and that is true. So why not test with Scipio? - You say it is normal that Nevsky/Huo win because they are both single damage, but infantry is supposed to counter cavalry and cavalry has higher move speed. Also, why not test with Nevsky/Joan who does AoE ?
How about Liu Che/alex ? 😂, you might say alex is outdated and he is even with relic however they have pretty good synergy. Someone test Liu Che alex vs Sargon Liu and manage to score a win by a small margin twice.
in kvk im not gonna use liu/alex or it just gonna be hospital filler because no one duel 1v1 in murderball but i will use this combo in ark due to march speed..
@@ridewithlegend Alex has massive debuff and as i know he is not dueler commander! And if he do great in duels with Liu so they are great pair specially in murder ball! If you say hospital filler think about your guan which is garbage in def🤣
guan is garbage if 2nd commander is not tanky like leo or scipio but still people using more because of his high damage and silence thats why @@mohammadsn8677
I believe chisgule tested it once against boudicca zhuge and it performed horribly so he didn't bother with it anymore. However, that was probably an outlier. All the other tests that I saw alex liu che was an insane march
He's a wheel commander, You can confirm this by clicking on the + sign on the skills page and will show you the source of where you can get his sculptures and it will display wheel of fortune
Hey chisgule if you have time I commented in your live stream when you tested Liu Che primary. I put the minutes marked in the comment I did, you can see by yourself, I think the player with Liu Che had wrong talent tree.hope you see this comment this time, and go check the live stream comment 😅. Thanks have a nice day
Me too. I haven’t seen anyone tested it but im curious how well the 40% normal attack damage from Pyrrhus boost smite and their total 40% skill damage reduction
I saw test results from Liu/Alex that were better than those from Liu/Sargon, My Sargon is currently 5/5/5/0, what makes more sense now, Doing Liu/Alex or Liu/Sargon?
Using Sargon and Liu is wrong to start with. Scipio and Liu is always the best, not really much a point to keep testing and testing tbh Is the same as when Sargon released everyone knows Scipio and Sargon is strongest but no one uses this
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Will probably use him as primary but that is simply out of a desire to cast the march speed debuff as quickly and as frequently as possible
He is secondary of my Scipio 😊
Probably secondary for scipio or sargon
Primary but with Pyrrhus
Just to let you know he’s far stronger with Alex overall.
Thanks!
Ty for the super thanks!
Ty for posting this vid! I was debating which of my coms should be primary then I realized I don't know a talent tree for Liu Che lol. Keep it up!
The attack tree is very good for duels because of effortless talent, specially when you cover its lack of rage generation with a horn of fury and a commander that can double proc horn and rage talents.
True and in murderballs it's hard to stay engaged with 1 target for atleast 10 seconds when you're constantly switching targets and rage loading
@@jamielane8696I believe it still works with rage loading, as long as you don't leave combat (i.e. get the mail with a report)
Attack tree was always good for rallys and duels. We just didnt have a commander like liu who benefits these crazy much from it. Open field i still think sargon will do better unless they swarming you
Note that a lot of Liu Che testing all relies in his expertise. That is what makes him great with Sargon.
If you are saving heads and just planning to 5511 him first until more Smite commanders are released, still put him behind Scipio or Martel.
Skippy because you are doing double AOE and Martell if you already have guan + skippy and just want a tankier secondary march.
Martel doesn't boost skill damage but all his passive stats do help . Plus Martell is "free".
Sooooo what's with Alex? Is it good or not! We get it that LC with Sargon is busted but what about other infa coms? I wanted a video with explanations and i m looking forward to it. Thnx again for awesome content!
Really think Gorgo in open field will be pretty usable at 5511. Cant wait to see the testing when it comes out
Thank you, it's so related to me because I just have scipio expert in my first SOC HA and ready to expert Liu Che
Scipi expert - Liu che expert is badass combo with really fast rage + horn of fury
Hi Chisgule, would you prefer an expertised Liu Che with a 5550 Sargon, or an expertised Scipio Prime with a 55x5 Liu Che or a 5551 scipio with an expertised Liu Che?
Im judging between the latter two because i see scipio’s expertise need a silence effect to work which scipio and LC combo lacks, and the skill damage boost does not work with Liu Che.
What’s you new open field lineup? We need an updated video on the best 7 open field matches.
Can we have some testing on phyrrus aswell? We skipped that last test😮
Can anyone explain to me please?
If Liu che isn't expertised, there won't be any additional "RED DAMAGES" added to Sargon's skill damages? Or how does it work ??
That’s correct, Liu che must be expertised for this
imo for like anyone who rocks multiple marches does liu works well openfield, providing the necessary buffs/debuffs rather than focusing on duels.
Okay now, if we use Liu primary and sargon secondary could you tell us if we should switch to arch formation and which stats to go after on the armaments please?
Health - Defense - Attack. Normal attack inscriptions
@@JamalWinslow If we continue with sargon primary should we also go for arch formation?
@@sojiroseta8393yes.. arch formation can be use to them
What is the future for Infantry rally and Greece civ? Just wait 1 year? I do not see any viable rally pair for inf right now… Pakal has done his job…
I though you were also talking about Liu che primary or secondary paired with scipio 😢
Me too! 😕
Me three!
Use LC as primary especially not enough gh for sargon up from 5550
Why didn’t you test feral nature all the way? I feel like that’s the best part of the skill tree and that way you can generate rage much faster. Plus LC is doing extra normal attacks just don’t see why you wouldn’t test that
rage cap probably
Tariq / Liu Che doing good in open field. Liu che expertise help defense tree with rage. Hit like a truck.
Thanks for the video! Really informative. Now the next question is, wedge or arch formation for liu primary?
Arch deff
@@zkx2417 no, wedge would be better. The main damage dealer in sargon liu che is sargon with skill damage. The whole point of this combo is making sargon active skill better
@@felipemurta9160 yea your right!!
@@felipemurta9160 But sargon deals normal damage, so wedge does not work on him right?
totally wrong, go for arch don't listen to these guys lol@@felipemurta9160
I always good trade with battlefield scipio primary and secondary Liu Che
What about pairing? Liu with Scipio good or with Alex ??
Hi ! Bro pls suggest 2 of the 3 best accessories to be used for liu che from ring , horn and dagger .. thnx
I'm using Martel-liu, debuff of commanders like alex & scipio will apply to three targets and half of Sargon skills doesn't work with liu but Martel buff will apply for all the targes and you get all the benefits of liu aoe, Martel is also a good place to put a high dps commander and protect it
You're using this in SoC? how often would you get targeted with martel as primary. I wanna run martel-liu too but i figured LC should be primary
@@jamielane8696 I'm using Martel as primary
I'm running with three inf march, Martel will get good report even if he targeted
@@jamielane8696 Martel & liu have good harmony, counter attack will boost by liu and reduce skill damage taken+extra defense make Martel really tanky
@@jamielane8696 it's not a top tier march as current meta but works good
What talent tree are you using on Martel ?
Did anyone try pirus+che
If I have a maxed Alex going into kvk3 and enough gold heads to max a kvk3 commander who should I get?
Id like to see testing with ring of doom and if Louie procs it more often and/or if it changes results. Willing to bet that it does. Additionally, would like to see how Armaments can sway the battle.
Overall still going to invest, as Mr. Louie looks super good. 👌
Thanks for the vid!
What about pair him with phyrus?
Does Liu Che get extra benefits from equipment since it is just raw stats? Also... can you plz run the sames test with Scipio Liu Che....I dont have any heads for Sargon
Hello everyone, i have expertised Alex, Harald, Guan and Scipio. What investment would you recommend?
I have Scipio, Sargon, Alex Guan, Tariq, Liu
I would like to do three steps, what would you do and in what order?
Guan Alex . Scipio tariq . Sargon liu
Please can you do best infantry pair for f2p
I feel like Guan/Sargon & Scipi/Liu is a better combo for a murder ball! can anyone relate?
I'm wondering about Scipio + Luiche combo as I don't have Sargon
Yeah same. I am currently using Skippy with Alex as my 1 inf march and I would like to know who to work on to pair with Skippy to replace Alex
where is the scipio-liu che test ,,,, i don`t have sargon....😒
use 5511 or 5551 ?
Bro alex or scipio primary for the arms training ?
Scipio
Alex primary
To cast shield faster so you take no damage from arm training barbs at start of the turn
I have guan/scipi and pakaal/harald, shall I get liu che?
Depends on the rest of your ball but yes I think Liu Che will be very good
thanks for replying chis@@Chisgule
So in the end better scipio/liu che or opposite?
Better liu che sargon
@@oravla8470 but I don’t have Sargon lol I only have skippy
Skipi liuche much better bro.. dont worry its the best infa pair in kvk lol... no one do duel in kvk and take sargon for that..
Just run scipio primary and liuche as secondary.. you gonna get so much better result than those running with liuche sargon/ liuche alex
Hey Chisgule bro…Hope you be fine as your family…about equipment should i craft the pieces of the set that gives normal attack???
Wait to craft until new equipment system is in game
@@Chisgule thanks a lot bro…keep the way…💯💥👏🏻👌🏼🙏🏼💪🏽
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Thanks for the tests, but...
- You say that not everyone has Sargon and that is true. So why not test with Scipio?
- You say it is normal that Nevsky/Huo win because they are both single damage, but infantry is supposed to counter cavalry and cavalry has higher move speed. Also, why not test with Nevsky/Joan who does AoE ?
How about Liu Che/alex ? 😂, you might say alex is outdated and he is even with relic however they have pretty good synergy. Someone test Liu Che alex vs Sargon Liu and manage to score a win by a small margin twice.
in kvk im not gonna use liu/alex or it just gonna be hospital filler because no one duel 1v1 in murderball but i will use this combo in ark due to march speed..
@@ridewithlegend Alex has massive debuff and as i know he is not dueler commander! And if he do great in duels with Liu so they are great pair specially in murder ball! If you say hospital filler think about your guan which is garbage in def🤣
fleisch actually tested liu/alex and its actually legit strong
guan is garbage if 2nd commander is not tanky like leo or scipio but still people using more because of his high damage and silence thats why @@mohammadsn8677
I believe chisgule tested it once against boudicca zhuge and it performed horribly so he didn't bother with it anymore. However, that was probably an outlier. All the other tests that I saw alex liu che was an insane march
Do we know when Gorgo will be available? is it worth dropping 700 gold heads on Liu Che if my next kvk won't be until December?
unless you need a inf to pair with someone I'd wait for new acher, though he might come only after your fighting starts
Gorgo most likely drops next mge cycle
Still want see sinergy with gorgo
Is LIU CHE coming to wheel or what? I don't think there will be another new infantry except for the MGE that is going to be released?
He's a wheel commander, You can confirm this by clicking on the + sign on the skills page and will show you the source of where you can get his sculptures and it will display wheel of fortune
Yeah he is going on the wheel and Gorgo is MGE
Biggest advantage of using Liu Che/Sargon is than you can leave Sargon at 555x
I am telling you, they will introduce a Smite tree soon ✌️
Here 😀
Is Liu Che viable at 5511 on a SOC KvK?
Probably, but expertise is a must over time
Hey chisgule if you have time I commented in your live stream when you tested Liu Che primary. I put the minutes marked in the comment I did, you can see by yourself, I think the player with Liu Che had wrong talent tree.hope you see this comment this time, and go check the live stream comment 😅. Thanks have a nice day
Until I see Liu Che tested with Pyrrhus and Gorgo, I'm not buying into Sargon being the "best" pair
Me too. I haven’t seen anyone tested it but im curious how well the 40% normal attack damage from Pyrrhus boost smite and their total 40% skill damage reduction
why Pyrrhus
@@Coregame3 40% normal damage boosts smite damage. Together they also have 40% skill damage reduction flat
I saw test results from Liu/Alex that were better than those from Liu/Sargon, My Sargon is currently 5/5/5/0, what makes more sense now, Doing Liu/Alex or Liu/Sargon?
I used maxed Skippy and Liu
Same
idk, thats why you post this comment to help people making decision at least for me 😅 yeahhh im gonna using liu as primary, fix!
Liu che must max?
What is going on governors!!!
Inf defeating archers and Cavalry defeating inf tf is this
Bros thumbnail really said 😐
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Hi I am first
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FIRST?
Using Sargon and Liu is wrong to start with. Scipio and Liu is always the best, not really much a point to keep testing and testing tbh
Is the same as when Sargon released everyone knows Scipio and Sargon is strongest but no one uses this
i watched it live if i remember correctly LC is not expertised on this test
Thanks!
Does Sargon work at 5550 with LC expertise?