DOWNLOAD WAR AND ORDER HERE: bit.ly/3hUq91H Also PS I thought it was funny that I slipped on artifact vs accessory at the start of the video man I play so many games lol BUT War and Order IS fun! Also worth mentioning that theoretically your accessory choices could change depending on which secondary commander you choose.
Also my farm has been in 2 soc kvk's now and 3rd coming against you. I have 223k coins, was thinking that I buy a city skin for that. Or then I start buying discounted mats and heads every kvk since I have couple legendary that farm would benefit. Chandra Gupta and William is open there, Chandra is 5111. And I have 40 sculps saved. Also got Scipi P open last wheel too so I'll max him in both main and farm first. Alt.hough I am now almost 60m power so I need better garrison, have Zeno, yss, and Theo open. USS is 3111. I think I need to work him even before Scipio P because otherwise unmade Charles with Imhotep won't scare ppl rallying my city. If I had YSS primary since I have over 4,5m troops plus 600k siege. So yss gives best stats when having almost equal amount of 3 troop types. And then put Charles or some expertised epic on wall it would keep city much more safe. Also you do realize that you were suggesting ring horn to almost every march. I'm a low spender and just about to have ring, web, dagger and horn. So how many low spenders you think has 3 or 4x ring horns? Maybe you should make list where player has 1 of each legendary accessories and all epic accessories. So 2 kinds of march speed, flag and pendant for inf, also that counterattack pendant and silent trial. And as legendaries horn ring web dagger. Not leg pendant or that book for more troops and no kvk weapons or those that need special coins since those need kvk win. We won 1 kvk after you left k75 but I couldn't get those coins because I wasn't able to get 30m kills that time.
You should not use horn on any commander with support tree, due to the rage generation is too fast. I think skill cycle is 6, but 2 (skill activating turns) out of 6 support tree would give you 200+ rage which left 4 turns for horn to become effective. And 4 turns you need to activate horn for 2 times, chance is low.
I bet everyone would like to see this idea updated in a video as soon as we get the True and Combo damage types into the game. Also since we have Smite and ranged. I know it's a lot of work. We appreciate you. I am many seasons into SoC and am honestly considering finally crafting a Pendant (have 3 rings already), specifically for a march/few rotating pairs that constantly rips skill dmg. But this item (and Twilight skin) with all the new dmg types makes me wonder if we might see other types of dmg buffs in items and skins, too,
A lot won't change, but I mean accessories for those types of commanders. Obviously Greatest Glory seems like it pairs with Smite, but has anyone tested to compare it to Ring/horn. Also with LC you don't necessarily need to have her. A lot of interesting mechanics to really fine tune specific commanders.
Karuak's War Drums does show in battle log, they just hide it really well. I have one and i don't love it. Right now i still like a trajan and horns more.
One thing to point out. Karauk Drums buffs >stack< with the rage buffs from other drums and the cooldown is on each drum. Very underestimated. Also it does show in the battle log.
I am so glad I bought the Horn hahaha I just bought it like 2 days ago, really thought I was going to regret it when I saw you uploaded this video but Horn is good for my guan 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks man lol
Its pretty min said on this Video and horn is for sure not as op as it seems after watching. I dont say its bad but rage in this game is just SO MUTCH complicated and there are so many other factors that can afect your rage... but ring is the best theres no doubt 😅😆
2 remarks:1) i play on 2 accounts and got 9 silent trials in the field, i can guarantee you : BOY it does stack VERY WELL😍 2) RING: 10% chance to give +50% all damage every 5 seconds for 2 seconds... so in average 2 seconds every 15 seconds. 50% ×2/15= 6.66% all damage in average. In other words rings gives in average +6.66% normal damage, counter-damage and skill damage at the same time! (Tell me if i did smth wrong) how is the eternal night's 5% skill damage or greatest glory's 5% normal and counter-damage viable? I never understood 😅😅 been wondering that seens over a year
Chis, we need an updated order of crafting vid due to the release of awakening system. Does it make sense to go for a crit/refine first or do you awaken and upgrade first? Got a lot more complicated to know which is best.
Amazing video. I have been looking so much around for a video like this and I would really like to thank you for this video. Would like to highlight that Ring cannot be obtained in KVK3 and below but Dagger can be used based on the 3 month old update. I am referencing your recommendation for Edward here.
Bro, you mentioned dagger is the 1st item to make but all the recommendations you made are mainly ring and horn. Any commander where dagger is good apart from the leadership commander? Thanks
wow what a great timing, Yesterday I was just watching your last accessory video from last year and thinking "it would be nice if Chisgule had a new one"! thanks chis
Still haven't been able to make horn. Have dagger, web, ring, delanes and silent trial. In open field I use dagger ring in guan, Alex has inf march speed pendant and web, Saladin or XY usually get the call of loyal and I epic accessory, then 1 other cav march same. But in canyon I need to use aethel,Alex so inf pendant goes to guan ring too. Saladin Nevsky get dagger web, XY mehmed get epic accessories. And 1 archer, get call of the loyal., that way I get best power points and best outcome in canyon also.
Quick question: and if wondered this for a bit of time and would love ur opion on it For pakal do you think delane amulet + vengance could work better if swarmed like in front of balls. Horn is Nice but sometimes i like to run in the front of a ball with pakal Harald Just bcz i take better trades then my allys who maybe dont use pakal Harald. And with Horn not sure how great it is when ur swarmed
I've made two Horns, one Dagger, and one Ring so far. Do you recommend just cranking out three more Horns? Seems to be a must for just about every march!
Can I still use Imhotep in my fourth march in Kvk Season 2? And if yes, should I pair him with a Level 60 Herrmann or a Level 60 5512 Caesar? I’ve been wondering how to use my Caesar in a non infantry march, since I want to use my Alex and Martel with Björn and Sun Tzu. Is Caesar 5512 with Minamoto 5411 possible? Otherwise I’d have to either use an epic commander, CC or El Cid.
Chısgule why would you recomend horn for scipio man? He already easily reaches 220 rage cup dur to his support tree so horn got nothing to give him right?
can someone explains to me how does the effect of "reduce target health by 5% for 3 seconds" mean? to my understanding if the target has 100 health you would reduce its health by 5 just for 3 seconds and they get it back?
Horn for support is kinda useless because of the talent tree. You will over rage with horn if it procs after a skill. Also, Wick has a chart that stated that only benefit for zeno with horn is an increased 2% skill cycle.
@@Tom_TTT Idk about that. Getting the first skill cycle is very valuable. Plus rage diminishes over time. So spreading rage gain throughout the fight is very beneficial, support tree or not. Guan/scipio getting to the silence and health debuff as quickly as possible is crucial. I would do dagger on a march that isnt targeted as much (attila/pakal) so you have the debuff for a longer duration in a fight.
how can i get in contact with you? ihave recieved constant abuse from a player daily and all ive got from lillith is a day mute for the player i have screen shots daily, and messages after their mute was done
Actually Chis should I try in field on my guan Leo pair the ring and epic pendant that gives -5% counter attack stats? It would make my guan little bit tangier or just use dagger, or web? Since I need lot's of mats before I can make horn for guan
Ok, so 9 out of 10 commanders have Ring + Horn as the best option, but your advice on the first to craft legendary accessories is Dagger and Webb? As a follow up; could you advice on combinations within a murder ball? If you bring 3x inf, 1x arch and 1x cav march; would I be best of with 5 rings and 5 horns or slip in a dagger and a webb and a war drums?
I was going to ask the same thing. If dagger and Webb are required for each murderball. What marches to put dagger and Webb on if ring/horn is best for most marches.
Hey Chisgule! You finally maxed out Cyrus The Great! 🙂 i wish i could have Cyrus The Great and max him out. It is less thing i can do to honor my king in next world :)
So based off what chisgule said, is it correct that my talented concealed dagger isn’t that good as it will never stack as most people aren’t running around with one?
Thanks for the helpful video! What’s your take on why 60GT has such a strong preference for the war drums over the horn? Is there a tipping point at which multiple war drums in your 5/6/7 march set is just better?
Drums generate 20% less rage, but there is some magic voodoo that makes it catch up quite a bit. Ultimately, drums are relatively competitive for less materials.
I personally think drum is better. If you look at the first skill cycle which is around 10 turns, horn gives you 30%*10*50=150 rage. Drum gives you the exactly same amount of rage: 10%*10*50*3=150. Even if you consider the cool down problem, I would say the advantage of drum is that it is easier to proc. You get it from holy knight event. But horn is difficult to proc since you get only one in each KVK. Someone may argue that horn gives rage to the specific troop, but drum doesn't. This is true. So my suggestion will be give Guan a horn, so that you silent your enermy first. A horn and a drum on Trajan, since it provides rage earlier. Put another drum on any other marches, since the priority of their skills are less high.
Talented dagger does not knock off untalented tho. I have 2 daggers. One talented and one not. Whichever procs/activates first will apply and both daggers will add stacks until it wears off
@@RightyRespawn no its not haha i tested this myself. If untalented stacks the talented just add 5% stacks not 6.5%. Nor does it remove the 5% stack that started
So if untalented dagger stacks first your talented dagger is just as good as an untalented dagger. And if talented starts the stack your untalented dagger add stacks to your talented dagger
Love your vids Chisgule. I am always sad when I miss a stream. My kingdom is just entering kvk 3 and can you ask Corto if he remembers wishing 2531 a good kvk!
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DOWNLOAD WAR AND ORDER HERE: bit.ly/3hUq91H Also PS I thought it was funny that I slipped on artifact vs accessory at the start of the video man I play so many games lol BUT War and Order IS fun! Also worth mentioning that theoretically your accessory choices could change depending on which secondary commander you choose.
Also my farm has been in 2 soc kvk's now and 3rd coming against you. I have 223k coins, was thinking that I buy a city skin for that. Or then I start buying discounted mats and heads every kvk since I have couple legendary that farm would benefit. Chandra Gupta and William is open there, Chandra is 5111. And I have 40 sculps saved. Also got Scipi P open last wheel too so I'll max him in both main and farm first. Alt.hough I am now almost 60m power so I need better garrison, have Zeno, yss, and Theo open. USS is 3111. I think I need to work him even before Scipio P because otherwise unmade Charles with Imhotep won't scare ppl rallying my city. If I had YSS primary since I have over 4,5m troops plus 600k siege. So yss gives best stats when having almost equal amount of 3 troop types. And then put Charles or some expertised epic on wall it would keep city much more safe.
Also you do realize that you were suggesting ring horn to almost every march. I'm a low spender and just about to have ring, web, dagger and horn. So how many low spenders you think has 3 or 4x ring horns? Maybe you should make list where player has 1 of each legendary accessories and all epic accessories. So 2 kinds of march speed, flag and pendant for inf, also that counterattack pendant and silent trial. And as legendaries horn ring web dagger. Not leg pendant or that book for more troops and no kvk weapons or those that need special coins since those need kvk win. We won 1 kvk after you left k75 but I couldn't get those coins because I wasn't able to get 30m kills that time.
Which is first horn or ring for scipi primary Alex secondary
Can you cover this with all of the new commanders that have come out since this video was made? Rally & garrison too?
Great video!! So much for having a dagger and Web in each murderball. The video should have been called the Ring and horn video.
Lol
You should not use horn on any commander with support tree, due to the rage generation is too fast. I think skill cycle is 6, but 2 (skill activating turns) out of 6 support tree would give you 200+ rage which left 4 turns for horn to become effective. And 4 turns you need to activate horn for 2 times, chance is low.
I bet everyone would like to see this idea updated in a video as soon as we get the True and Combo damage types into the game. Also since we have Smite and ranged. I know it's a lot of work. We appreciate you.
I am many seasons into SoC and am honestly considering finally crafting a Pendant (have 3 rings already), specifically for a march/few rotating pairs that constantly rips skill dmg. But this item (and Twilight skin) with all the new dmg types makes me wonder if we might see other types of dmg buffs in items and skins, too,
A lot won't change, but I mean accessories for those types of commanders. Obviously Greatest Glory seems like it pairs with Smite, but has anyone tested to compare it to Ring/horn. Also with LC you don't necessarily need to have her. A lot of interesting mechanics to really fine tune specific commanders.
Karuak's War Drums does show in battle log, they just hide it really well. I have one and i don't love it. Right now i still like a trajan and horns more.
Where? I can’t find it in my log
One thing to point out. Karauk Drums buffs >stack< with the rage buffs from other drums and the cooldown is on each drum. Very underestimated.
Also it does show in the battle log.
so basically ring horn., ring horn, ring horn, ring horn.
Yup😂😂😂
Yup
Ended being a 30min+ video 😅 love it btw
Are you from kd 2814?
@@Noahac2 no, chis kd
😀
So I guess, Ring and Horn is the way.... thanks for the video!!
I am so glad I bought the Horn hahaha I just bought it like 2 days ago, really thought I was going to regret it when I saw you uploaded this video but Horn is good for my guan 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks man lol
Its pretty min said on this Video and horn is for sure not as op as it seems after watching. I dont say its bad but rage in this game is just SO MUTCH complicated and there are so many other factors that can afect your rage... but ring is the best theres no doubt 😅😆
@@hurenfeind i am going to buy that next kvk lol 😂 thanks
I have made (Book of Vengeance, Horn of fury) both with Iconic. I use book of *Vengeance* to punish *Swarmers* .
2 remarks:1) i play on 2 accounts and got 9 silent trials in the field, i can guarantee you : BOY it does stack VERY WELL😍
2) RING: 10% chance to give +50% all damage every 5 seconds for 2 seconds... so in average 2 seconds every 15 seconds. 50% ×2/15= 6.66% all damage in average.
In other words rings gives in average +6.66% normal damage, counter-damage and skill damage at the same time! (Tell me if i did smth wrong) how is the eternal night's 5% skill damage or greatest glory's 5% normal and counter-damage viable? I never understood 😅😅 been wondering that seens over a year
Great points. I guess greatest glory and eternal night are more consistent but otherwise inferior.
Ring is not available in kvk 2/3 compared to eternal night and greatest glory, this explains why these equipments are less good
Chis, we need an updated order of crafting vid due to the release of awakening system. Does it make sense to go for a crit/refine first or do you awaken and upgrade first? Got a lot more complicated to know which is best.
Crit before awaken. The awakenings take way too many resources. Critting will be easier and better.
"go quickly to prevent this from becoming a 30 minute video.." Proceeds to make a 32 minute video. XD Love your videos bro, been watching for years
thank you thank you thank you !!! , I was waiting for this specific guide for ever !!!!! :*
Any downside in a 5 march where I could be using 5 sets of Ring & Horn?
Amazing video.
I have been looking so much around for a video like this and I would really like to thank you for this video.
Would like to highlight that Ring cannot be obtained in KVK3 and below but Dagger can be used based on the 3 month old update. I am referencing your recommendation for Edward here.
Thanks very much have been waiting so long for an accessory guide, not as well geared as you but i have found coin on trajan makes a big difference
Why the Accessoires havent change at all🤣🤣
i used wind scars on scipi/alex. i was running away from a nevsky and he could not catch me. it was just crazy
What accesories do use on them?
I just got a crit horn today, im so happy!
Bro, you mentioned dagger is the 1st item to make but all the recommendations you made are mainly ring and horn. Any commander where dagger is good apart from the leadership commander? Thanks
"No takedas primary in the open field, you weirdo" 😂😂😂😂 took me out
Finally the video ive been waiting for!! Thanks chisgule.
wow what a great timing, Yesterday I was just watching your last accessory video from last year and thinking "it would be nice if Chisgule had a new one"! thanks chis
Cheesegule: let’s try not to make this a 30+min video
Video: hold my beer
Still haven't been able to make horn. Have dagger, web, ring, delanes and silent trial. In open field I use dagger ring in guan, Alex has inf march speed pendant and web, Saladin or XY usually get the call of loyal and I epic accessory, then 1 other cav march same. But in canyon I need to use aethel,Alex so inf pendant goes to guan ring too. Saladin Nevsky get dagger web, XY mehmed get epic accessories. And 1 archer, get call of the loyal., that way I get best power points and best outcome in canyon also.
just curious for your main, do you ever plan to dismantle the Pendant for mats (to replace with another Horn or Ring)?
Normal attack is applied only to troops you are actively attacking!
What about Scip with a dagger? Is theoretical almost 50% health reduction worth it?
could have drinking game where you have to drink every time you say "Ring and Horn" xD love it, thanks for making these vids =D
that was easy : ring+horn x5 you should be good to go whatever the marche you are using =)
Quick question: and if wondered this for a bit of time and would love ur opion on it
For pakal do you think delane amulet + vengance could work better if swarmed like in front of balls.
Horn is Nice but sometimes i like to run in the front of a ball with pakal Harald Just bcz i take better trades then my allys who maybe dont use pakal Harald.
And with Horn not sure how great it is when ur swarmed
I've made two Horns, one Dagger, and one Ring so far. Do you recommend just cranking out three more Horns? Seems to be a must for just about every march!
Ring is better than horn tbh, atleast on high damage commander
Every march needs a ring. After that 3 wardrums is better than 5 horns. And frees up 2 slots for dagger and Seth's.
@@StefanMedici could you further elaborate?
Can I still use Imhotep in my fourth march in Kvk Season 2? And if yes, should I pair him with a Level 60 Herrmann or a Level 60 5512 Caesar? I’ve been wondering how to use my Caesar in a non infantry march, since I want to use my Alex and Martel with Björn and Sun Tzu. Is Caesar 5512 with Minamoto 5411 possible? Otherwise I’d have to either use an epic commander, CC or El Cid.
Chısgule why would you recomend horn for scipio man? He already easily reaches 220 rage cup dur to his support tree so horn got nothing to give him right?
Hi @Chisguel for El Chid accesoris what Your reccomendation? 🙏
Loving the vids Chisgule. Keep up the good work!
Should i get vengeance book if i want to be infa garrison or ring and horn?
can someone explains to me how does the effect of "reduce target health by 5% for 3 seconds" mean? to my understanding if the target has 100 health you would reduce its health by 5 just for 3 seconds and they get it back?
I now got a specialized coin on my guan because it's the best for him but now I am confused what to do with that and If it even was a waste
I mean if you have it use it. Inf specialized coin is really good in canyon.
"I'll go quickly to avoid a 30+ minute video"
👀 *gazes at video length*
Horn for support is kinda useless because of the talent tree. You will over rage with horn if it procs after a skill. Also, Wick has a chart that stated that only benefit for zeno with horn is an increased 2% skill cycle.
So Ring and dagger for Scipio prime?
Over rage is bullshit…but horn won’t help you reduce average skill cycle on support tree,that’s why you don’t need it there
@@Tom_TTT Idk about that. Getting the first skill cycle is very valuable. Plus rage diminishes over time. So spreading rage gain throughout the fight is very beneficial, support tree or not.
Guan/scipio getting to the silence and health debuff as quickly as possible is crucial. I would do dagger on a march that isnt targeted as much (attila/pakal) so you have the debuff for a longer duration in a fight.
how can i get in contact with you? ihave recieved constant abuse from a player daily and all ive got from lillith is a day mute for the player i have screen shots daily, and messages after their mute was done
Why not health reduction over your def reduction with web?
Actually Chis should I try in field on my guan Leo pair the ring and epic pendant that gives -5% counter attack stats? It would make my guan little bit tangier or just use dagger, or web? Since I need lot's of mats before I can make horn for guan
Is Atilla/Nevsky worth putting on field?
Should I invest on 4 horns or 4 war drums instead?
Ok, so 9 out of 10 commanders have Ring + Horn as the best option, but your advice on the first to craft legendary accessories is Dagger and Webb?
As a follow up; could you advice on combinations within a murder ball? If you bring 3x inf, 1x arch and 1x cav march; would I be best of with 5 rings and 5 horns or slip in a dagger and a webb and a war drums?
I was going to ask the same thing. If dagger and Webb are required for each murderball. What marches to put dagger and Webb on if ring/horn is best for most marches.
IMO dagger is a most, web is a skip
so basically ring + horn on everything., except where you have mora web and dagger
If I use t4 with guan would ring and horn still be the best accessories?
Hey Chisgule! You finally maxed out Cyrus The Great! 🙂 i wish i could have Cyrus The Great and max him out. It is less thing i can do to honor my king in next world :)
I've got Alex and a dagger. Do I get ring or horn first? 😂
does gear of 2nd commander add in stats too or only the gear of main commander?
Does it stack? The health debuff from dagger for example
So based off what chisgule said, is it correct that my talented concealed dagger isn’t that good as it will never stack as most people aren’t running around with one?
It is good. I’d rather have a talented dagger than not especially with the iconic system. But talenting a dagger is not a priority.
@@Chisgule Cheers for the reply. I got lucky and crit when I crafted it. It’s my pride and joy so glad to know it’s still better than untalented!
I tried pendant of eternal night on guan and it just didn’t work! Very weak! It works perfectly on archers and not bad on cav
Is dagger good for a guan/scipio march in field?
Love this video bro!!
I don’t think silent trial triggers on every turn 100% does it? It reads “can trigger”
Go fight a bard and read the battle report.
I use chandra/william in the OF, and boy he's good
Omg you actually made the video 🥹
Good job on avoiding it being 30+ minute video 😂😂
Does it matter how to set them
Ring horn or horn ring?
no
Thanks for the helpful video! What’s your take on why 60GT has such a strong preference for the war drums over the horn? Is there a tipping point at which multiple war drums in your 5/6/7 march set is just better?
Drums generate 20% less rage, but there is some magic voodoo that makes it catch up quite a bit.
Ultimately, drums are relatively competitive for less materials.
I personally think drum is better. If you look at the first skill cycle which is around 10 turns, horn gives you 30%*10*50=150 rage. Drum gives you the exactly same amount of rage: 10%*10*50*3=150. Even if you consider the cool down problem, I would say the advantage of drum is that it is easier to proc. You get it from holy knight event. But horn is difficult to proc since you get only one in each KVK. Someone may argue that horn gives rage to the specific troop, but drum doesn't. This is true. So my suggestion will be give Guan a horn, so that you silent your enermy first. A horn and a drum on Trajan, since it provides rage earlier. Put another drum on any other marches, since the priority of their skills are less high.
Lilith says in the past Gratest Glory only aply to normal atack not counteratack
When infantry gets their march speed increase now your bottleneck will comes from the archers
Ring of doom on everything besides Trajan 😂
CC primary is great for farm killing
Feels like this should have been 3 separate video's, one for each troop type in order to not plow through them and not be a 30+ min video.
4 video. Always forget leadership.
Summary: ring/horn
All I know says that Guan yu/Scipio P. needs Dagger as the first legendary
why
Talented dagger does not knock off untalented tho. I have 2 daggers. One talented and one not. Whichever procs/activates first will apply and both daggers will add stacks until it wears off
This is wrong
@@RightyRespawn no its not haha i tested this myself. If untalented stacks the talented just add 5% stacks not 6.5%. Nor does it remove the 5% stack that started
So if untalented dagger stacks first your talented dagger is just as good as an untalented dagger. And if talented starts the stack your untalented dagger add stacks to your talented dagger
Pendant is not that bad.. it is 5% skill dmg just like Twilight Falls but without the negative stats so yeah I use it either with Guan or with Nevsky
Compare to ring of doom, which is a total dps boost of over 6%. Pendant is really bad
I bet chiz wrote amazing essays in school
"to try and avoid this being a 30+ min video"
I mean I tried. Haha
i crafted Pendant to make it iconic, in that case it is a better value for me than Epic accessory.
100%
Love your vids Chisgule. I am always sad when I miss a stream. My kingdom is just entering kvk 3 and can you ask Corto if he remembers wishing 2531 a good kvk!
Tldw: Ring + Horn
Thanks
The title should be Ring and Horn
How many times did he say ring horn
Era of conquest, new Best realy
Xy ring horn ? 🤦🏻♂️ I had ring but went with dagger for him after some recommendations 🤷🏼♂️
Ring/Horn is the way, I‘d rather put the dagger on a march with less dps
@@gummibear2793 🤦🏻to bad i picked dagger already, owel next kvk ill guess🤣🤷🏻
When will you do a call of dragons Stream
I like the 5.0 B gold 😅
So ring and horn is the OP combo for cavs? 😂
I prefer dagger and ring for my attila
you said Ring / Horn 90% of the time :D
Could have shortened this video to....All marches but garrison are ring, horn...
So ring 💍 and horn for everything lol
I use scipio dagger horn
Long story short just do ring and horn
So pretty much Ring horn😆
Yes
So ring horn. Ok got it 😂
لماذا لا يوجد ترجمه 🥺
Basically Ring and Horn 😂
chiss is playing to much call of dragons saying accessories
is artifacts :D
it still became a thirty plus minutes lol
haha ended up a 30 plus minute video also
Everything is Ring and Horn😴