5 Stupid Things Karate Teaches You
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2023
- Karate teaches you many good things (depending on the instructor). But it can also teach you some very foolish things. Today I list out 5 to make sure to aren't utilizing these striking errors.
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And remember...I do recognize there are many styles of karate. Not all of them teach the things l mentioned today.
But hopefully this episodes clarifies some questions you may have had about executing techniques that will ACTUALLY work.
Pulling the hand back to the hip on punching is the one that I think makes the least sense.
Even if you really think that pulling the hand back is super important for generating power... just pull it back to your ear.
Thank you for commenting on the style differences. I found that most of what you showed we do not do in our style, in particular the edge side kick or the front/round kick with thumbs up. We practice neither.
We do practice back fist as aiming to the face (nose) and hitting from after a block (from a "flexing" position), thus coming downwards. From the position you showed the back fist, we would probably do a hammer fist rather.
Regarding the so called "double" techniques, indeed some kata show them in tandem, but the applications can be block+counter, as in hammer fist (as a block or a strike) with or without grab, + front kick or block + punch, usually to practice doing it altogether as one movement instead of block, then counter.
Great video as usual :)
@@Harry-mf6rq Pulling the hand to hip has nothing to do with power generation, this is a huge misconception. It's part of what karate calls, husband and wife hands, meotode. If the hand goes to the hip it means that there is something in it, generally an opponents limb. If there is nothing in it then you're absolutely right it should protect the head. Think of it as clearing a lane for a punch while off-balancing the opponent. 👍
@@theshotohouse530 Agree. Think of a hockey fight, one hand holding the opponent, the other feeding them punches. The thing that traditional karate is guilty of is over exaggerating things such as hikite and not explaining the use.
I'd say the only kickboxing style where kicking with your toes makes the most sense is Savate. Since they fight with shoes that have reinforced toes.
Wdym, Cobra Kai lied to me???
No, Cobra Kai teaches you the 5 most important things in combat:
1. Strike first
2. Strike hard
3. No mercy
4. Sweep the leg
5. Cobra Kai never dies
It's a stupid TV show
@@7771Javawow really?🙀 Thanks for telling us Sherlock
Cobra Kai shouldn’t have happened ngl
Cobra Kai is BS
Coming from a Goju ryu background and focusing on Muay Thai and BJJ. I'm honestly starting to believe that stuff like haito uchi and morote zuki are more grappling techniques when clinching than they are striking, because they seriously make no sense as strikes, lol.
Awesome video as always, Gabriel! Your videos have been awesome guides for me to improve too!
There is plenty grappling in goju ryu, so in my opinion, it is very obvious that this is the case - few is teaching it - a shame.
@@jabrolsentrue. Same thing happens with Taichi.
Which makes sense. Both Taichi and Gojo Ryu have a lot of Crane Kung Fu techniques, and Crane Kung Fu was mainly a grappling style.
Another big part of Karate (and Kung Fu) is that most of it's "unarmed moves" are actually weapon moves, that's why you need Kobudo to understand Karate
Ooh another fellow Goju Ryu karateka! It’s true that a lot of traditional Okinawa styles applied grappling due to Okinawa wrestling, the kicks in Okinawa are heel focused, and the kata double hits at the same time can actually be broken into two separate strikes (the Okinawans of my association have stated it) because applications don’t have to STRICTLY follow katas
Dude, yes. I remember training with a Goju Ryu black belt back in February and I told him exactly that. He's a much more experienced fighter than I am, but still, be was impressed and took it seriously. He even told me that now this movement makes sense to him.
So many people have said this but it always gets ignored, many of those weird movements are grappling & Ramsey Dewey is the only person i have seen pressure test these moves.
I would have to say for flicking backfists, just modifying them into hammerfists makes them much more dangerous because it engages the triceps much more, even if it's off the parry and you're following the motion to make them flow together. Much more structurally sound position and has been used for centuries with weapons in hand
Yeah, spinning hammer fists are so much more dangerous. And they don't hurt the hands as much if you're bare knuckle!
Flicking back fists are effective, if you're not wearing gloves, hence 空手
It makes me wonder why we dont see them in martial arts. Imagine if you could follow up a left hook with a left hammerfist that clears the guard with the right hook right behind it.
@@damanOts Just not taught due to obscurity. Same thing happened with calf kicks until recently, oblique kicks, etc.
@@KingoftheJianglexactly, in the street with no gloves a back fist would work since u can pop them in the nose and eyes causing their eye sight to be damaged
Thank you so much for talking about this, Gabriel. You're such an invaluable resource for people trying to get into the sport of martial arts. I respect traditional karate for its workout value and beauty, but not all of it should ever go unquestioned. It's so nice to hear your explanations for the things that don't have much real-life applications.
To the full who knows nothing everything looks stupid. Sure quantum physics look stupid to me. But that's because I know nothing about quantum physics. Or, as they say, "you can't find the right answer if you are asking the WORONG QUESTION", which is often the case with Gabriel.
Sure, even most TEACHERS don't know why some things are taught the way they are. Generally speaking, when you are trying a kick alone, on the air, in traditional martial arts, the purpose IS to make as difficult as possible, to be a challenge. as the channel of Sensei Seth here in RUclips showed in many instances in his "tryouts' of martial arts, specially, on that case, WUSHU. It's an EXERCISE, it's a DRILL, to develop some attributes, like flexibility, joint mobility and balance.
So, that's one thing about sided bladed side kicks. Another is that MANY high level fighters DID kick like that, including in UFC, debunking Gabriel's argument. It's pretty much the debate over thumbs up or thumbs down on the hook. As Bruce Lee stated, "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.” What looks stacked blocks for a limited mind is just a CONTINUOUS in a spectrum. Like when Gabriel criticized the reverse or inverse kick as "useless" (LMAO!). Samart Payakaroon, a LENGENDARY Muay Thai fighter, was able to box circles around his opponents, much like Muhamad Ali, but instead of his jab he would use his TEEP. How to use a front, straight kick at odd angles? Being able to kick at ANY angle, being FREE with the movements of your legs. So, like Samart, EVEN IF you won't use the EXTREME version of an inverse kick you SHOULD LEARN the inverse kick, because it will make even your teep more flexible and versatile. Same for the side kick here. Being able to do BOTH, to do ALL, will give you more freedom. Muhamad ali never threw a proper HAMMER fist. But HE SURE USED that mechanics of it, in a more subtle way, in his jabs. And NOBODY on his sane mind would say Ali wasn't effective. You are just seeing the EXTREMES, used to TEACH YOU, and not everything IN BETWEEN, that training the extremes would show you (if you are smart and arepaying attention).
Same for the ridge hand. A ridge hand TO THE NECK is hurtful. Anyone who was on the receiving part of it knows it. Believe me. Pretty hard with gloves. But naked hands on the neck, even more ON THE THROAT? Again Gabriel committing the error of ruling out things he demonstrates knowing NOTHING about. Zero. Criticizing a technique specific to hit one target is like criticizing a shovel hook for a liver shot. where would you get that specific angle? Nowhere else.
Agiai, the back fist. Muhamad Ali would use the mechanics of back fist OVER AND OVER again! who is the greatest? Gabriel or Ali? and, once more, back fists were use effectively by high level fighters. And it' s the same for the inverse kicks. It's an ANGLE that it's teaching you. An ANGLE not available to you if you don't know. You can hit the the OPOSITE side as a hook would with the SAME hand. It gives you OPTIONS, it EXPANDS your game. Other advantage of the back fist is that is the most defensive punch ever. You you clear BOTH lanes of our opponent art once. Even if you don't land, it's harder to get counter attacked and you are making the opponent busy and blockin his traffic lanes while you gain an angle.
Again, the SAME ANGLE and the SAME MECHANICS of the back fist are used in LONG GUARD, either the Muay Thai long guard 9Much like Saenchaii would use it) and even more in BoxIng. You'll use it to POST all the time in hand fighting in boxing. Using the back fist you might as well PUNCH out of it too. In close clinch combat, like when we talk about "El Mano di Piedra" that angle and mechanic are also utilized to a great extent. Same for the "bridge', also often criticized in wing Chu. the EXACT SAME TEHCNIQUE (even the Bon Sai, mind you!) is used for hand fight and posting in long guard in boxing. See GERGE FOREMAN long guard tactics, for instance. Foreman would use this mechanic over and over again. But of course GEROGE FOREMAN didn't know what works. Such a hubris! Again, what makes no sense is what HE is saying.
When he says about the back fist springing forward 'not working". Oh yeah! That's why ALI, freaking MUHAMAD ALI, was the greatest champion of the world doing EXACTLY that?
Again, he obsessing, like a child, over minor difference sand not being able to see the connection, when he talks about the back fist and the hammer fist. It all depends where your hands are at the moment, your STANCE and even with you are using your SHOULDER or HIPS to propel the attack. ONCE AGAIN, talking about what he knows NOTHING about.
The toes. He is approaching it only under the perspective of a RING fight. In real life most of the time most people use SHOES. That why SAVATE is specialized in it because you use SHOES. And everyone should try at least a bit of Savate to explore the ENORMOUS possibilities of using SHOES give you. Same for the inverse kick and back first. In a ring you have just ONE opponent that comes right in front of you. On the streets you may be attacked at multiple angles by multiple opponents. And if you don't know those techniques ALL you can do is to readjust. While with that you can still attack them with those options. Even the side kick. Imagine you are in a classic Muay Thai stance and someone comes at YOUR SIDE to attack you while you are dealing with other opponent in front of you. All you can do is to cover and to readjust. Or you simply could SIDE CKCK him or BACK FIST him or readjust WHILE you throw a reverse kick at him. He is SO used to fight just one opponent right in front of him that he can do NOTHING about someone coming to his sides. And even in a ring that is useful, with opponents that are good at cutting angles and think you are totally defenseless in terms of attack with him out of your center line &think about Canizales or willie Pep), and may become reckless and open themselves. They may eat a back fist, an inverse kick or a side kick. again EVEN IN MUAY THAI those techniques exist. In traditional Muay Boran.
I'll just stop here because I don't have the whole day to debunk ALL of the outrageous and arrogant improprieties he is saying.
These is an arrogant generation of fighters. even mike Tyson would watch hours and hours of the same footages of fights from the 1940's under D'Amato. Those kids think they are the TOP, that they replaced the old. When they are a FAR CRY from the greatest of the past in fact.
Listen to the GREATEST (and watch them) not someone who THINKS he is the greatest.
@@JohnnyLynnLee I was going to say "too long, didn't read" but I did end up reading this and you make some great points. I do think that Gabriel saying that these are "stupid teachings" is definitely an overstatement, and that there are always practical applications of any type of strike and/or it's variations. But I also think there is some value in his words for NEW martial artists, or fighters/hobbyists who will likely never reach great heights, which is his primary audience on RUclips. There are techniques that require real experience or understanding to succesfully utilize and for the large majority of martial artists they likely aren't feasible, or at least not compared to simpler or more replicatable techniques. It's just like is often said about making music, there are "rules" for music, but a skilled musician can break those rules because they understand their own intentions, and they have the knowledge to move outside the guidelines.
But also, I disagree with some things like the ridge hand. I believe that the knuckles will ALWAYS hurt more than the blade of the hand, sure a ridge hand WILL still hurt but the sharpness of the knuckle is just plain superior, also considering the risk of having your fingers extended in a strike. Though your points regarding the back fast and side kicks I definitely agree with.
@@jaron5958 Even if he is talking to "noobs", because he is a professional and people look up at him, he should humble down a bit. Why the greatest were the greatest., Because they WERE NOT Gabriel. Simple. When the footwork wizard Ali fought the genius of long guard and guard manipulation George foreman he didn't go out saying "long guard is useless it doesn't work." HE NEW, by first hand the problems it posed to him. When fast fist and long range Sugar Ray Leonard fought Roberto Durán ("e Mano di Piedra") and even got a 'no más' in one fight he didn't go out saying the close clinch style of Durán was useless. He SAW, he FELT it was dangerous. Sam for the marching forward, low-line head movement and cross guar of Smoking Joe Frazier against Ali style. They understand that each great fighter has their OWN game and can be the greatest with their game. And that can go terribly badly. And it did historically. The peek-a-boo style of D'Amato was MOCKED as "useless". that until he produced the fighters he did, the last of them being Iron Mike Tyson. NOBODY looked able to overcome the peek-a-boo over the 90's. When Tyson himself disregarded his own game (not moving his head like D'Amato taught) and the opponent, the multiangle (including back-fist-like) jabs of Lenox stopped Tyson on it's tracks. The geatEST always know he has much to learn from the greATER fighters of all time. Samart is ten times better than Gabriel, and DID USE the mechanics of the inverse kick to a grat effect. To Gabriel say It is, verbatum' a "stupid" kick.
@@jaron5958thanks for pointing out that the whole bible the other user wrote was worth reading. I ended up reading it too but without your first sentence I would've probably thought he was just a looney spurring nonsense.
@@okarowarrior Yeah, JohnnyLynnLee started off like a loon with his first sentence, but he went on to make some valid points. Like Jaron, though, I think Lee was overly harsh in his judgement of Gabriel.
IIRC, when Sensei Seth was doing some of his videos testing the force of various strikes with the Power Kube, he tested out the ridgehand, and found that the power was actually considerably greater than his hook. I've actually seen a number of knockouts from ridgehands on video, and I think they were more common in kickboxing back in the 70s, when a lot of the competitors were coming in from karate backgrounds.
yeah, but you can hurt your hand much more easily. why not just use a fist, which is safer?
@@dandiaz19934 You can do a ridgehand with a closed fist. It's still a ridgehand if you're striking with the ridge rather than the front of the knuckles.
I'm not convinced that a closed fist is actually safer when you're not using gloves. Ridgehands are actually common across martial arts from a wide range of origins, while hooks to the head don't seem to feature in many martial arts which aren't rooted in the use of gloves for competition. Some hand strikes which are common in boxing are actually really dangerous to the user when the gloves come off. Ridgehands aren't risk-free, but they're not unusually risky; you can land with the upper forearm and still do a lot of damage, with less risk of injuring yourself.
@@dandiaz19934 The problem is modern karateka don't condition themselves enough to makes these traditional techniques effective. Also ridge hand isn't limited to headshots.
Like a fist, it's just a drill-bit.
Pretty sure Wonderboy did a video a few months back on the ridgehand, and showed some guys getting knockouts with it in karate combat. Iirc, most of them did it with closed fists though.
@@maxhensley1685of hand safety Is a concern also hitting with the forearm Is and option, It would be a Ridge arm (?) I guess but still fare from ineffective
I've used backfists in fights many times.
Like a lot of techniques, it's more about how you use it that matters.
First off, a backfist with any glove or pads is kinda worthless. I never used them in kickboxing or mma fights. But coming off of parrying a punch, shove or grab it's an excellent, quick strike that can break the nose, strike the throat (though a knife hand is better there), or cause cuts and bruising to the eye socket, all of which sets up a counter reverse straight or overhand punch well.
I guess my point is there are instances where it offers a faster, stronger alternative to a jab while also coming from a different angle.
True that
💯 Gabriel is only looking from a perspective of a Mr Rigid Kickboxer. And from his own weight. As a light heavyweight, the backfist and ridge have worked nicely for me, and especially getting in to street fights, I favoured the backfist over a jab.
Like anything you have to be taught to use it properly and in conjunction with other techniques
I find that back fists / flicker jabs are decent enough as a quick counter when parrying an opponents jab with your front hand as it can often sneak down the exposed centerline better than a follow up cross would.
They don't tend do much damage on their own but it can obscure an opponents vision for follow up punches or, if repeated, frustrate them enough to change their approach.
I 100% Agree on every single point of this video, Karate has it's pros and cons, and I think there are lots of techniques from Karate, which can be utilized in Kickboxing, Boxing, MMA, and etc.Thank you so much for this amazing video!
To the full who knows nothing everything looks stupid. Sure quantum physics look stupid to me. But that's because I know nothing about quantum physics. Or, as they say, "you can't find the right answer if you are asking the WORONG QUESTION", which is often the case with Gabriel.
Sure, even most TEACHERS don't know why some things are taught the way they are. Generally speaking, when you are trying a kick alone, on the air, in traditional martial arts, the purpose IS to make as difficult as possible, to be a challenge. as the channel of Sensei Seth here in RUclips showed in many instances in his "tryouts' of martial arts, specially, on that case, WUSHU. It's an EXERCISE, it's a DRILL, to develop some attributes, like flexibility, joint mobility and balance.
So, that's one thing about sided bladed side kicks. Another is that MANY high level fighters DID kick like that, including in UFC, debunking Gabriel's argument. It's pretty much the debate over thumbs up or thumbs down on the hook. As Bruce Lee stated, "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.” What looks stacked blocks for a limited mind is just a CONTINUOUS in a spectrum. Like when Gabriel criticized the reverse or inverse kick as "useless" (LMAO!). Samart Payakaroon, a LENGENDARY Muay Thai fighter, was able to box circles around his opponents, much like Muhamad Ali, but instead of his jab he would use his TEEP. How to use a front, straight kick at odd angles? Being able to kick at ANY angle, being FREE with the movements of your legs. So, like Samart, EVEN IF you won't use the EXTREME version of an inverse kick you SHOULD LEARN the inverse kick, because it will make even your teep more flexible and versatile. Same for the side kick here. Being able to do BOTH, to do ALL, will give you more freedom. Muhamad ali never threw a proper HAMMER fist. But HE SURE USED that mechanics of it, in a more subtle way, in his jabs. And NOBODY on his sane mind would say Ali wasn't effective. You are just seeing the EXTREMES, used to TEACH YOU, and not everything IN BETWEEN, that training the extremes would show you (if you are smart and arepaying attention).
Same for the ridge hand. A ridge hand TO THE NECK is hurtful. Anyone who was on the receiving part of it knows it. Believe me. Pretty hard with gloves. But naked hands on the neck, even more ON THE THROAT? Again Gabriel committing the error of ruling out things he demonstrates knowing NOTHING about. Zero. Criticizing a technique specific to hit one target is like criticizing a shovel hook for a liver shot. where would you get that specific angle? Nowhere else.
Agiai, the back fist. Muhamad Ali would use the mechanics of back fist OVER AND OVER again! who is the greatest? Gabriel or Ali? and, once more, back fists were use effectively by high level fighters. And it' s the same for the inverse kicks. It's an ANGLE that it's teaching you. An ANGLE not available to you if you don't know. You can hit the the OPOSITE side as a hook would with the SAME hand. It gives you OPTIONS, it EXPANDS your game. Other advantage of the back fist is that is the most defensive punch ever. You you clear BOTH lanes of our opponent art once. Even if you don't land, it's harder to get counter attacked and you are making the opponent busy and blockin his traffic lanes while you gain an angle.
Again, the SAME ANGLE and the SAME MECHANICS of the back fist are used in LONG GUARD, either the Muay Thai long guard 9Much like Saenchaii would use it) and even more in BoxIng. You'll use it to POST all the time in hand fighting in boxing. Using the back fist you might as well PUNCH out of it too. In close clinch combat, like when we talk about "El Mano di Piedra" that angle and mechanic are also utilized to a great extent. Same for the "bridge', also often criticized in wing Chu. the EXACT SAME TEHCNIQUE (even the Bon Sai, mind you!) is used for hand fight and posting in long guard in boxing. See GERGE FOREMAN long guard tactics, for instance. Foreman would use this mechanic over and over again. But of course GEROGE FOREMAN didn't know what works. Such a hubris! Again, what makes no sense is what HE is saying.
When he says about the back fist springing forward 'not working". Oh yeah! That's why ALI, freaking MUHAMAD ALI, was the greatest champion of the world doing EXACTLY that?
Again, he obsessing, like a child, over minor difference sand not being able to see the connection, when he talks about the back fist and the hammer fist. It all depends where your hands are at the moment, your STANCE and even with you are using your SHOULDER or HIPS to propel the attack. ONCE AGAIN, talking about what he knows NOTHING about.
The toes. He is approaching it only under the perspective of a RING fight. In real life most of the time most people use SHOES. That why SAVATE is specialized in it because you use SHOES. And everyone should try at least a bit of Savate to explore the ENORMOUS possibilities of using SHOES give you. Same for the inverse kick and back first. In a ring you have just ONE opponent that comes right in front of you. On the streets you may be attacked at multiple angles by multiple opponents. And if you don't know those techniques ALL you can do is to readjust. While with that you can still attack them with those options. Even the side kick. Imagine you are in a classic Muay Thai stance and someone comes at YOUR SIDE to attack you while you are dealing with other opponent in front of you. All you can do is to cover and to readjust. Or you simply could SIDE CKCK him or BACK FIST him or readjust WHILE you throw a reverse kick at him. He is SO used to fight just one opponent right in front of him that he can do NOTHING about someone coming to his sides. And even in a ring that is useful, with opponents that are good at cutting angles and think you are totally defenseless in terms of attack with him out of your center line &think about Canizales or willie Pep), and may become reckless and open themselves. They may eat a back fist, an inverse kick or a side kick. again EVEN IN MUAY THAI those techniques exist. In traditional Muay Boran.
I'll just stop here because I don't have the whole day to debunk ALL of the outrageous and arrogant improprieties he is saying.
These is an arrogant generation of fighters. even mike Tyson would watch hours and hours of the same footages of fights from the 1940's under D'Amato. Those kids think they are the TOP, that they replaced the old. When they are a FAR CRY from the greatetst of the past in fact.
Chris Weidman used a backfist to stun anderson silva and begin the finshing sequence of their fight. Bill Superfoot Wallace showed how effective both sidestances, kicks, and backfist worked. I think a lot of martial arts "working" or not really depends on context. People are pretty fragile it doesn't take a lot to hurt someone and most people are neither trained or conditioned for unarmed combat.
Trevor peek actually got a knockdown with essentially a standing hammerfist
Trevor Peek v Erick Gonzalez for anyone curious
You were a karateka? Lol, I thought you were a pure kick boxer.
Because you don't know much.
5:00 a double jab is a great alternative to the backfist! Especially when it's connected to the kinetic chain from heels to fingertips.
7:34 throwing two techniques at once also gives up the rear guard
Ramsey Dewey actually had a pretty good explanation for the double punch, being a setup for a high kick
Ramsey dewey does some mental gymnastics sometimes, take it with a grain of salt
@@umbrellastation25 Ramsey os what Gabrile WILL NEVER be.
@@JohnnyLynnLee which is...?
@@umbrellastation25 To the full who knows nothing everything looks stupid. Sure quantum physics look stupid to me. But that's because I know nothing about quantum physics. Or, as they say, "you can't find the right answer if you are asking the WORONG QUESTION", which is often the case with Gabriel.
Sure, even most TEACHERS don't know why some things are taught the way they are. Generally speaking, when you are trying a kick alone, on the air, in traditional martial arts, the purpose IS to make as difficult as possible, to be a challenge. as the channel of Sensei Seth here in RUclips showed in many instances in his "tryouts' of martial arts, specially, on that case, WUSHU. It's an EXERCISE, it's a DRILL, to develop some attributes, like flexibility, joint mobility and balance.
So, that's one thing about sided bladed side kicks. Another is that MANY high level fighters DID kick like that, including in UFC, debunking Gabriel's argument. It's pretty much the debate over thumbs up or thumbs down on the hook. As Bruce Lee stated, "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.” What looks stacked blocks for a limited mind is just a CONTINUOUS in a spectrum. Like when Gabriel criticized the reverse or inverse kick as "useless" (LMAO!). Samart Payakaroon, a LENGENDARY Muay Thai fighter, was able to box circles around his opponents, much like Muhamad Ali, but instead of his jab he would use his TEEP. How to use a front, straight kick at odd angles? Being able to kick at ANY angle, being FREE with the movements of your legs. So, like Samart, EVEN IF you won't use the EXTREME version of an inverse kick you SHOULD LEARN the inverse kick, because it will make even your teep more flexible and versatile. Same for the side kick here. Being able to do BOTH, to do ALL, will give you more freedom. Muhamad ali never threw a proper HAMMER fist. But HE SURE USED that mechanics of it, in a more subtle way, in his jabs. And NOBODY on his sane mind would say Ali wasn't effective. You are just seeing the EXTREMES, used to TEACH YOU, and not everything IN BETWEEN, that training the extremes would show you (if you are smart and arepaying attention).
Same for the ridge hand. A ridge hand TO THE NECK is hurtful. Anyone who was on the receiving part of it knows it. Believe me. Pretty hard with gloves. But naked hands on the neck, even more ON THE THROAT? Again Gabriel committing the error of ruling out things he demonstrates knowing NOTHING about. Zero. Criticizing a technique specific to hit one target is like criticizing a shovel hook for a liver shot. where would you get that specific angle? Nowhere else.
Agiai, the back fist. Muhamad Ali would use the mechanics of back fist OVER AND OVER again! who is the greatest? Gabriel or Ali? and, once more, back fists were use effectively by high level fighters. And it' s the same for the inverse kicks. It's an ANGLE that it's teaching you. An ANGLE not available to you if you don't know. You can hit the the OPOSITE side as a hook would with the SAME hand. It gives you OPTIONS, it EXPANDS your game. Other advantage of the back fist is that is the most defensive punch ever. You you clear BOTH lanes of our opponent art once. Even if you don't land, it's harder to get counter attacked and you are making the opponent busy and blockin his traffic lanes while you gain an angle.
Again, the SAME ANGLE and the SAME MECHANICS of the back fist are used in LONG GUARD, either the Muay Thai long guard 9Much like Saenchaii would use it) and even more in BoxIng. You'll use it to POST all the time in hand fighting in boxing. Using the back fist you might as well PUNCH out of it too. In close clinch combat, like when we talk about "El Mano di Piedra" that angle and mechanic are also utilized to a great extent. Same for the "bridge', also often criticized in wing Chu. the EXACT SAME TEHCNIQUE (even the Bon Sai, mind you!) is used for hand fight and posting in long guard in boxing. See GERGE FOREMAN long guard tactics, for instance. Foreman would use this mechanic over and over again. But of course GEROGE FOREMAN didn't know what works. Such a hubris! Again, what makes no sense is what HE is saying.
When he says about the back fist springing forward 'not working". Oh yeah! That's why ALI, freaking MUHAMAD ALI, was the greatest champion of the world doing EXACTLY that?
Again, he obsessing, like a child, over minor difference sand not being able to see the connection, when he talks about the back fist and the hammer fist. It all depends where your hands are at the moment, your STANCE and even with you are using your SHOULDER or HIPS to propel the attack. ONCE AGAIN, talking about what he knows NOTHING about.
The toes. He is approaching it only under the perspective of a RING fight. In real life most of the time most people use SHOES. That why SAVATE is specialized in it because you use SHOES. And everyone should try at least a bit of Savate to explore the ENORMOUS possibilities of using SHOES give you. Same for the inverse kick and back first. In a ring you have just ONE opponent that comes right in front of you. On the streets you may be attacked at multiple angles by multiple opponents. And if you don't know those techniques ALL you can do is to readjust. While with that you can still attack them with those options. Even the side kick. Imagine you are in a classic Muay Thai stance and someone comes at YOUR SIDE to attack you while you are dealing with other opponent in front of you. All you can do is to cover and to readjust. Or you simply could SIDE CKCK him or BACK FIST him or readjust WHILE you throw a reverse kick at him. He is SO used to fight just one opponent right in front of him that he can do NOTHING about someone coming to his sides. And even in a ring that is useful, with opponents that are good at cutting angles and think you are totally defenseless in terms of attack with him out of your center line &think about Canizales or willie Pep), and may become reckless and open themselves. They may eat a back fist, an inverse kick or a side kick. again EVEN IN MUAY THAI those techniques exist. In traditional Muay Boran.
I'll just stop here because I don't have the whole day to debunk ALL of the outrageous and arrogant improprieties he is saying.
These is an arrogant generation of fighters. even mike Tyson would watch hours and hours of the same footages of fights from the 1940's under D'Amato. Those kids think they are the TOP, that they replaced the old. When they are a FAR CRY from the greatetst of the past in fact.
@@umbrellastation25 Meaning he is someone who really STUDIES fight. different from Gabriel. Who is someone who as taught something. Take it blindly, trained it hard, of course, got good and disregarded keep learning because, you know, "I already won the glory so Screw id MUHAMED ALI used the mechanics of the back fist in his JABS to circle around his opponents! Who is MUHAMED ALI near me?"
"And so what GEROGE FOREMAN would use the technique of crossing both lanes of the opponent in his fist fight much like a back fist would do? I have the DUTCH GUARD!"
Great video! I just found your channel and I am very intrigued by your viewpoints.
Looking forward to seeing more!
Great explanation Gabriel, you are always keeping it real and relevant
great video. As a base karate is always going to be so good, It just raises so much your body awareness, strength and habilities.
For me lead hand backfist is actualy quiet effective as a setup its fast and blocks vision of the opponent. I agree that it doesn't have much power but its a cool distraction.
I agree with everything you just said, expect for the quickbackfist. 1- A backfist is actually slightly quicker than a jab, due to natural position of an inclined arm (you do see it coming more though) 2- Backfist are not used in combat sport because they have high impact and very low penetration force. Any attack with even the smallest gloves need penetration power because gloves mostly reduce impact damage. So backfist are weak with gloves on (spinning backfist have both impact and penetration, so they work.) 3- A backfist force certain defences that are slghtly different than the jab and is likely to lead to positions from which trapping and clinching become an great option.
We love you bro, please keep enlightening us pupils with your wealth of knowledge 🙏🏿 Blessings to Shri Varga
Ridge hand is to get into the side of the neck. It also requires hand conditioning. It's nothing like a hook at all. An alternative is to use your forearm which requires less conditioning
As far as the bladed side kick. I was taught by a Shorin-Ryu black belt who explained that all of Karate's kicks come from Savate. The reason Savateur's used to throw with the blade of the foot is because Savate means "old-shoe" in French. They used to sew sharpened pennies into old shoes and that's how/why the bladed side kick was invented and utilized.
That is true because old school Okinawan Karate used low front kicks
8th degree black belt in Shorinr-ryu here. Original karate has limited kicks. Front kick mostly and most kicks below the belt. The only kick added from Savate was the round kick. We do not use the edge of the foot to side kick. That is a Japanese and Korean karate thing.
@@Tenkidokanvery true
I checked my notes. It was the hook kick that came from Savate not the round kick.
I have recently started Muay Thai after 10 years in Shotokan karate. It's been really challenging moving to a completely different way of striking and wearing big-arse gloves. My favourite karate strike is the ridge-hand, it's probably the one thing I could throw with proper relaxation and just flow with the momentum of the movement. Recently it clicked that I could use the body movement I use for the ridge-hand to work on my flow with throwing a hook punch. I throw a ridge-hand on the bag and then try and use that movement in the execution of a hook punch.
Your video was so affirming that I am on the right track!
Great video. Thank you.
The one defense of the backfist that's worth mentioning is throwing them as a flick jab (I believe you've even mentioned that in a previous video). It's not damaging, but it is a distraction/temporary cover that can either check their movement for a beat, or help you set up follow-up shots.
As for other useless techniques, reverse crescent kicks are absolutely worthless without a spin, and if you are thinking about throwing a spinning reverse crescent, you'd be so much better off just turning it into a spin hook kick.
About the last thing you said (spinning hook kicks being better), i disagree. It totally depends on the range, there are ranges where you're better off throwing a spinning crescent kick. Now then, you usually can also punch or grapple at that range so....
I also disagree on the whole "Crescent kicks are bad" thing. They have always worked for me and my students
To the full who knows nothing everything looks stupid. Sure quantum physics look stupid to me. But that's because I know nothing about quantum physics. Or, as they say, "you can't find the right answer if you are asking the WORONG QUESTION", which is often the case with Gabriel.
Sure, even most TEACHERS don't know why some things are taught the way they are. Generally speaking, when you are trying a kick alone, on the air, in traditional martial arts, the purpose IS to make as difficult as possible, to be a challenge. as the channel of Sensei Seth here in RUclips showed in many instances in his "tryouts' of martial arts, specially, on that case, WUSHU. It's an EXERCISE, it's a DRILL, to develop some attributes, like flexibility, joint mobility and balance.
So, that's one thing about sided bladed side kicks. Another is that MANY high level fighters DID kick like that, including in UFC, debunking Gabriel's argument. It's pretty much the debate over thumbs up or thumbs down on the hook. As Bruce Lee stated, "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.” What looks stacked blocks for a limited mind is just a CONTINUOUS in a spectrum. Like when Gabriel criticized the reverse or inverse kick as "useless" (LMAO!). Samart Payakaroon, a LENGENDARY Muay Thai fighter, was able to box circles around his opponents, much like Muhamad Ali, but instead of his jab he would use his TEEP. How to use a front, straight kick at odd angles? Being able to kick at ANY angle, being FREE with the movements of your legs. So, like Samart, EVEN IF you won't use the EXTREME version of an inverse kick you SHOULD LEARN the inverse kick, because it will make even your teep more flexible and versatile. Same for the side kick here. Being able to do BOTH, to do ALL, will give you more freedom. Muhamad ali never threw a proper HAMMER fist. But HE SURE USED that mechanics of it, in a more subtle way, in his jabs. And NOBODY on his sane mind would say Ali wasn't effective. You are just seeing the EXTREMES, used to TEACH YOU, and not everything IN BETWEEN, that training the extremes would show you (if you are smart and arepaying attention).
Same for the ridge hand. A ridge hand TO THE NECK is hurtful. Anyone who was on the receiving part of it knows it. Believe me. Pretty hard with gloves. But naked hands on the neck, even more ON THE THROAT? Again Gabriel committing the error of ruling out things he demonstrates knowing NOTHING about. Zero. Criticizing a technique specific to hit one target is like criticizing a shovel hook for a liver shot. where would you get that specific angle? Nowhere else.
Agiai, the back fist. Muhamad Ali would use the mechanics of back fist OVER AND OVER again! who is the greatest? Gabriel or Ali? and, once more, back fists were use effectively by high level fighters. And it' s the same for the inverse kicks. It's an ANGLE that it's teaching you. An ANGLE not available to you if you don't know. You can hit the the OPOSITE side as a hook would with the SAME hand. It gives you OPTIONS, it EXPANDS your game. Other advantage of the back fist is that is the most defensive punch ever. You you clear BOTH lanes of our opponent art once. Even if you don't land, it's harder to get counter attacked and you are making the opponent busy and blockin his traffic lanes while you gain an angle.
Again, the SAME ANGLE and the SAME MECHANICS of the back fist are used in LONG GUARD, either the Muay Thai long guard 9Much like Saenchaii would use it) and even more in BoxIng. You'll use it to POST all the time in hand fighting in boxing. Using the back fist you might as well PUNCH out of it too. In close clinch combat, like when we talk about "El Mano di Piedra" that angle and mechanic are also utilized to a great extent. Same for the "bridge', also often criticized in wing Chu. the EXACT SAME TEHCNIQUE (even the Bon Sai, mind you!) is used for hand fight and posting in long guard in boxing. See GERGE FOREMAN long guard tactics, for instance. Foreman would use this mechanic over and over again. But of course GEROGE FOREMAN didn't know what works. Such a hubris! Again, what makes no sense is what HE is saying.
When he says about the back fist springing forward 'not working". Oh yeah! That's why ALI, freaking MUHAMAD ALI, was the greatest champion of the world doing EXACTLY that?
Again, he obsessing, like a child, over minor difference sand not being able to see the connection, when he talks about the back fist and the hammer fist. It all depends where your hands are at the moment, your STANCE and even with you are using your SHOULDER or HIPS to propel the attack. ONCE AGAIN, talking about what he knows NOTHING about.
The toes. He is approaching it only under the perspective of a RING fight. In real life most of the time most people use SHOES. That why SAVATE is specialized in it because you use SHOES. And everyone should try at least a bit of Savate to explore the ENORMOUS possibilities of using SHOES give you. Same for the inverse kick and back first. In a ring you have just ONE opponent that comes right in front of you. On the streets you may be attacked at multiple angles by multiple opponents. And if you don't know those techniques ALL you can do is to readjust. While with that you can still attack them with those options. Even the side kick. Imagine you are in a classic Muay Thai stance and someone comes at YOUR SIDE to attack you while you are dealing with other opponent in front of you. All you can do is to cover and to readjust. Or you simply could SIDE CKCK him or BACK FIST him or readjust WHILE you throw a reverse kick at him. He is SO used to fight just one opponent right in front of him that he can do NOTHING about someone coming to his sides. And even in a ring that is useful, with opponents that are good at cutting angles and think you are totally defenseless in terms of attack with him out of your center line &think about Canizales or willie Pep), and may become reckless and open themselves. They may eat a back fist, an inverse kick or a side kick. again EVEN IN MUAY THAI those techniques exist. In traditional Muay Boran.
I'll just stop here because I don't have the whole day to debunk ALL of the outrageous and arrogant improprieties he is saying.
These is an arrogant generation of fighters. even mike Tyson would watch hours and hours of the same footages of fights from the 1940's under D'Amato. Those kids think they are the TOP, that they replaced the old. When they are a FAR CRY from the greatest of the past in fact.
A few more: chambering punches from your hips, leaving your arm out after you punch, walking forward and punching, and the infamous cat stance.
On the two-arms one: it’s telling that that is something that you learn in katas bit _never_ in sparring
Supreme advice, Gabriel!
Thank you coach.
I am 100% going to try the two hooks at once thing next sparring session, that looks hilarious.
I’m glad u made this video finally!!!
Hey Gabriel, it’s very interesting to hear your opinion of the Mikazuki Geri. This technique is more commonly used in fight promotions in Japan with more karate based fighters. I think traditional karate dojos do train the flexibility and strength of their toes to reduce the chance of this happening. There’s a kyokushin karate RUclipsr sensei that is able to bend his toes all the way back almost touching the back of the foot!
Can you give the name of the channel?
@@dogukankuru1969 Sure. The name of the channel is 極真空手世界王者 纐纈のRUclips道場. Here's the video, at 6:10 he showed importance of the toe flexibility. ruclips.net/video/Tu0UnCIzJnw/видео.html
For two handed attacks in katas, there are two things which one should consider:
1. There are some symmetrical motions that should not be understood of as the technique using both sides simultaneously in a fight, rather, that sequence should be broken down and examined one side at a time. Then you will be able to see the efficacy of doing the same motion if you do it with one hand or the other hand in proper context. So a double block in kata may not be meant to be used in real life as double block...since human opponents do not attack in such a manner, but rather the double block movement can be broken down each hand and analyzed and then you will understand that section of the form when applied in combat situations...it's always a single hand doing the same motion as the double hand section in the kata. Then you get the light bulb going off and you begin to rethink your understanding of kata in not so much literally as before, but a deeper level of reflection will reveal the purpose of all motions in the katas which are really highly stylized to help with exaggerated motions of the body so that you train far beyond normal body motion in kata with the result being that it will be easier for you to execute those motions in real life as real life does not require such exaggerated ranges of motion as conditioned by katas.
2. There are situations where you DO use the apparently illogical simultaneous kata motions. And these situations depend on the specific context and moment of combat. Some motions are impossible when you are separated from your opponent, and the same motions previous may be the only option you have IF you are in a clinch or whatever appropriate situation. So some motions do not work and do not make sense at all IF you only look at a single range or context, but that same motion would be the most appropriate option in a different context.
@@Paul-nj5xh I have used the double mountain punch successfully with a hip whip against a side bear hug. First sink to create a small pocket, very small. Then whip the hip into the opponent's lower ab/groin and he jerks away from the strike. Then drive both fists into opponent, lower fist into the goin and top fist to his head/chin... he was perplexed by this completely as it was so unexpected and unnatural looking.
As for the Back Hand strike, it's not a finisher move or meant to be the "most powerful". It's used as a quick in and out strike, that distracts the opponent.
"The brain goes where the pain goes"
Then, you're free to strike your actual desired target with more power.
I've used backhands very successfully during sparing and they work as intended. As a "what the f*** did you just do to me" move that leaves my opponent confused and open for a stronger follow up.
1) Kicking with the edge of the foot makes much more sense when you wear shoes, then the difference in surface area is far greater. For ring sparring the heel sidekick is probably better.
2)Ridge hand and knife hand to me are supplementaries for engaging a grapple. Basically this is for starting a grapple with a boo-boo.
3)Personnaly I always do a backfist as a more "straight" punch, if that makes sense. And hammerfists are more circular. To me, the backfist is more of a shocking/flicking punch (like a jab from the philly shell) and hammerfists are for power and to be done with follow-through.
4)Toe kicks are good only if you specialise. But if you DO specialise, your kicks when in shoes become devastating. I have a pretty decent toe frontkick, but I NEVER strike more than like 30% power.
5)Twin punches... I've tried to find a meaning for years. I think this is a form of simultanous block with one hand and attack with another. A technique when countering a shitty punch at THE BEGINNING of the fight, but never in a middle. An opening move, if you will. But this explanation is a bit... iffy.
I find double punches to work well as a Surprise strike when i Spar in muay thay. If you set up a body/shovel hook and the opponent respects that you can then enter with yama tsuki (the One Gabriel shows) with the intent of landing the overhand. It works for me but isn't by all means my go to technique, also if the opponent reads into It he can punish you with a knee to the face so that's also to be considered.
Just like slipping, Who would ever slip a punch in muay thay when the knee Is such a threat? Then you do and fuck em up. Once. Do It again and you're cosplaying a cookie stamp XD
The problem with side kick with the edge of the foot is not the surface area, having smaller contact point is the advantage. It’s about angling your foot which risks eg ankle sprain, etc. It’s just too much risk given the slight benefit, so it’s stupid.
Round kicks with your toes pulled!? That’s what they taught me in Tae Kwon Do but an absolute no no in my karate classes.
It was my karate sensei that had me unlearn that
The double punches is hilarious to throw in light fun sparring 😅
But punch and kick at the same time?! I have to make fun with that next time 🤣
Yes, totally! Not just these specific things but the overall concept of stepping back from what you've been taught to be critical of it when necessary. What works in a perfect world in the realm of theoretical karate doesn't always work in practicality.
There is a big difference between (self defense) techniques in Kata that we're improperly taught and actual fighting. I enjoy watching Iain Abernethy break down Kata and I think that a lot of these techniques would make much more sense in that context. Then again, I don't fight for a living. :D. Thank you!
Exactly, kata are for self-defense, not for consensual fighting (though a lot of bunkai can work there, too). And Iain is great at explaining that (as well as a few others, like Patrick McCarthy, Paul Enfield, or Masaji Taira-sensei).
In the UFC Kevin Holland got a good backfist knockdown without spinning.
“I’m a karate practitioner but right now I’m really more into kick boxing”
You know where kick boxing comes from, right?
lol
so why is a backhander banned from boxing
LOL those simultaneous strikes reminds me of a og boxer Agustus something? Threw double hooks or double crosses etc. in the ring. Such a awesome troll to watch.
Has some very good arguments. I highly agree with striking with the edge vs the heel on a sidekick.
Shotokan ; I remember learning 2 sidekicks; the most common one is with the heel. The other one is more of an upward sliding motion, a bit like a mae geri, and with the side of the foot. But we never used it in sparring. Also, the ridge hand was taught more as a straight motion, targeting the side of the throat.
Pretty sure the second one - yoko geri keage- was originally a front kick just done to the side. I think it was probably changed for aesthetic purposes. I think as it is, side snap kick is pretty useless.
The thing that Karate does the best is to inspire kids in a safe & encouraging environment so they grow to love martial arts & move on to other disciplines.
As a long time Karate practitioner I discovered what techniques I considered to work by hitting the heavy bag. I agree with your points in this video. Karate is a great martial art that has always been evolving.
i have heard that modern karate kicking techniques comes from savate (which is practiced with shoes), so maybe, the toes kicks are just a variation of the "piqué" (sting) kicks, except here it's more dangerous for the user and less effective.
Love the video. Food for thought! Great respect for you, Gabriel. I think the spinning hammerfist is the traditional technique. You learn it in Heian Sandan. I think the spinning backfist is just a safer point tournament alternative. Respect, oss!
Not trying to be contrarian, but do you suppose some of these moves may be more applicable outside of the ring in a self defense situation? I'm no expert, but for example the toe jab kick would be a lot safer if you had boots on etc.
Nice and clear :)
Thank you so much for sharing ☯️🌈☯️
With the "double punch", you're stripping their guard with the lead, clearing a path for your straight or overhand.
The main one imo: The guard. The long guard of karate is fine, the other ones though... Terrible.
Snapping kicks is dumb as well.
An excellent informative video
Glad you think so!
I feel like Jesse Enkamp had a great point when he didn’t Muaythai for a week and said some of the stuff they learned in their first day, doesn’t get taught in karate until the six month mark or later.
Yeah, I agree with that,the learning process is very slow
not a martial artist but i think the back fists are more like a faint to distract the opponent
Fortunately I was always taught to use the heel or sole of my foot for a side kick; I can’t imagine breaking that small edge of my foot.
Can you do a video about Kyokushin Karate? Like what you think about it and share some tips or some strategies that you might come up for it.
one great karate technique i've stolen to use in boxing is the blitz, never trained in karate but do love using that and the karate style reverse punch
Lol same. Growing up with Karate, then transitioned over to kickboxing, the one defining trait my gym buddies say about my style is I love to blitz for offense. Honed from my time being one of the shortest guys in the dojo, blitzing is all you can do to land a clean body shot against the taller homies. Even in kickboxing classes & sparring sessions I'm still the shorter guy and still utilize the blitz, now with added low kicks.
Great video, I was never taught most of the things on this list but I've argued with people aplenty about the issues with some of them, like the side kick stuff. I disagree with the backfist thing though, i think there is a use if you use a sideways stance, you can use a backfist after parrying a jab with your lead hand when your opposite leg to theirs is forward. It combos well into a sidekick to the liver if your left leg is forwards also. Also for self-defense some of the two arm pushes or grabs can be good (I know this isn't a two arm punch), pushing at the hip and shoulder can really send someone back if theyre not using a good fight stance - avoiding street engagements.
Lmao I use that double hook in my VR boxing game, because it's so far from the real deal. It rewards you sitting still, with your hands blocking your field of vision, and punishes anyone bobbing and weaving, using impeccable form.
I broke my wrist while throwing a ridge hand in sparring. My hand got caught in my partner’s gi as he was moving. That was over 30 years ago and I still have problems with my wrist. Never had any injuries throwing punches. Throw punches instead.
Finally. Varga karate content.
I'll do the double "punch" a lot...
It's called TeGuruma and is a throw 😉
Great video as usual. If I may touch upon a point, some techniques such as the hammer fist may not be allowed in the sports organizations you are affiliated with. For instance, in sports that refer to the regulation of boxing for punches, such techniques will not be permitted. In Kick Boxing organizations and rulesets like WAKO that allow backfist strikes, permission for strikes like the hammer fist may vary from time to time. Therefore, it would be advisable to review the rules of the organization you are participating in to avoid penalties when using these techniques in competitions
7:47 Reminds me of that Buakaw push kick technique from your other recent video.
I've come to the same conclusion for all the techniques you mentioned except the backfist. It's like using groin strikes, no it's not a fight ender but it can be used to distract and cause openings for other techniques that are capable of ending a fight.
I'd apply a similar theory to the ridge hand that you did with the back fist. Close your fist.
In karate sparring my sparring teacher talks about what to use and what not to use in sparring
As a kyokushin fighter I’m intrigued, as I’m learning kickboxing and mma at the moment (after watching I’m glad I never learned any of those foolish things)
The double hand Matrix-punch does have one very practical application, which is looking cool and stunting on your opponent.
Cant wait for the inevitable Karate Nerd video response. Feel like he would have alot to add to this
For the two fists punches at the same time, in fact one of the fist strike can be a blocking of an attack from the opponent while the other is attacking.
The purpose of the sword foot when performing a side kick is to ensure you hit with the correct part of the heel, it tightens the foot. The heel edge is much harder than the flat. Bare foot you do more damage. It's the difference between dropping someone or
just pushing them back.
Yeah the double punches really do remind me of judo grips rather than strikes.
Igor De Castañeda has two ridge hand knockouts
Myzra-Bek Tebuev the new Karate Combat Bantamweight Champion has a ridge hand KO
Also it seems like Sasha Palatnikov often mixes lead ridge hands into his Boxing combinations.
Major difference between the classic ridge hand and the Karate Combat Ridge Hand is this they don’t open the hand that much if at all I imagine because of the gloves and the rear ridge hand they often land with the upper forearm in addition to the hand. Which is more similar to the way Bas Rutten teaches it.
So it’s kind of like the side kick it’s not that the technique is bad but fighters are figuring out arguably better ways to throw it. Which trickles down to the dojo level I know Sensei’s that teach to use the heal when throwing a side kick.
Agreed 💯
I also began with karate but did the same as you... 👊💪👍
I've seen people get knocked out in the ufc by a backfist. But it's right after the punch of the same hand into a backfist
Some styles of karate don't allow hand strikes to the head, and so students develop a bad habit of not keeping their hands up to protect their heads.
Can you do a video on most useful technics in karate?
Would love to hear you breakdown kyokushin for selfdefense / kickboxing
Most of what people think is "traditional technique" is actually the sport version application taught to the Japanese by the Okinawans. Most that people think as a strike are actually locks and throws. Some strikes are meant not to knock out but set up a lock or throw.
Also there are supplemental training needed (hojo undo). The toe kick for example needs strengthening training.
I think Kicking with the edge of you food make sense when you wearing shoes. Karate got its kicks from Savate and savate uses shoes as gear.
Love for you and Jesse Enkamp to do a video!
I wouldn't use what they do or don't throw in the UFC necessarily as a metric for ALL the legitimate techniques out there. A lot of UFC fighters just use kickboxing or wrestling/BJJ. That doesn''t mean that's all anyone can do. I use backfists in sparring all the time and love the technique.
I agree. many stuff is untested
Regarding foot shape in a side kick.
I've found that by doing the foot sword (edge of foot shape) it actually makes me turn my butt a little more towards the target.
When breaking boards with a front side kick you really can tell the difference with showing a bit more butt.
So as an agnostic martial arts amateur, I think the reason for the foot shape may not really be to strike with the edge but to engage more butt muscle and still strike with the heal to get more power for very little extra effort.
Regarding the ridge hand. Use a hook agreed. Unless your hand is on the inside of there arm during grappling. as @practicalkatabunkai Iain points out, there is ahead on the end of that arm. The head is connected to the body by the neck. IF in a grapple your arm can follow the arm to the neck sticking that ridge hand into somebodies throat is valid. Obviously not sportsmanlike though.
The backfist should be thrown by rotating the hips in the opposite direction to that of a hook. ITF TKD stances would be thrown from and L-stance into a walking stance to get the hip movement in the opposite direction. If you don't change your stance it's just like a jab with relatively little power. If your really change the stance it is a big power shot. Indeed you can turn it into a hammer fist it really doesn't matter. Similar to an elbow with a greater range...
I would argue the back fist is more of a stunning/distraction maneuver to be followed up with something. But absolutely no one should be expecting a knock out or even a take down with it.
So I have a concept called the 20 strikes. It's not that these 20 techniques are the only strikes that work, but that these strikes are the most efficient way to throw those angles, with those limbs. Yes a palm heel strike can knock someone out, but a cross does a better job and the situation where a palm makes more sense is VERY specific. Two on this list are sort of tied with another technique but it's so close, it really doesn't matter.
For the record.
1. Jab
2. Cross
3-4. Hooks
5-6. Uppercut
7. Back fist (shown as a flicker jab.)
8. Spinning back fist (or hammerfist. Honestly it doesn't matter)
9. Right overhead
10. Lead elbow.
11. Overhead rear elbow
12. Front knee
13. Front leg round knee (Muay thai style)
14. Teep kick (rear leg front kick. You can push with it if you need)
15. Front leg side side kick
16. Switch kick
17. Roundhouse kick
18. Spinning side kick (or back kick. It really doesn't matter)
19. Wheel kick
20. Headbutt
I've noticed that the majority of people who practice old school kung fu don't put what they've got to the test while learning it. Their teachers encourage them to imagine an opponent, but never insist on there actually being one. I've spent a few months here and there in different gyms, and I gave up on all of them, because if something didn't work for me, I was SOL. No adjustments or one on one time. Honestly, I judge martial arts by the ease of which the techniques can be abused by a big, strong bully. The martial art that generates the largest amount of power abusing idiots is usually the most effective, all round.
I train kung fu. I've also trained judo and MT. It varies a lot by school, but many kung fu schools are getting a lot better about actually sparring and testing on resisting opponents. I credit MMA and the popularity of sparring in general for this change. I first trained this style 20 years ago, and we'd never spar. Very heavy on locks and traps, but we'd just go through the motions of "you punch here, then I grab there", with most of the time spent practicing forms.
Now, going to the same school lineage, there's entire classes that are nothing but sparring. Big improvement; I wouldn't go there if there wasn't sparring.
The challenge with kung fu, or at least the style I practice (northern eagle claw), is that it is a huge amount of material to learn. It has the same aspects of modern boxing, plus back fists and hammer fists. It has eye and throat gouges. It's a standing grappling system with 100 locks/throws, many of which are also found in Judo, BJJ and wrestling. It incorporates grabbing, tripping, punching and kicking. There are dozens of empty hand and partner forms. It includes 2 dozen weapon forms. It's enough you can study for a lifetime, but it STILL doesn't even include ground fighting like BJJ or wrestling. I know it's way more complicated than it needs to be, but part of the reason I study it is that it's a cool tradition and the forms help with flexibility and are a great workout.
@@DBSpeakers well said. I do use a few techniques here and there which I got from kung fu of various forms, before scientific testing became more mainstream. Wing Chun arm trapping can definitely work sometimes, but you gotta have comparable strength to your opponent, in my experience. And I do use mantis grabs and their weird super low leg kicks from time to time. And I noticed that for me, my bagua training translated more to grappling than striking and dodging, too. My time with TKD really only gave me a handful of good kicks, which half of them turned out not so great after all. The whole leaning back for defense is a straight up death sentence with the wrong opponent. Boxing and wrestling are pretty simple and useful, for obvious reasons. But I'm seeing a need for some Muay Thai and some Systema techniques in our fighting culture here, for sure. Muay Thai for those kicks and the clinch. Systema for focus and defense. That's my take, at the moment. We'll see what I learn or unlearn next lol
To the full who knows nothing everything looks stupid. Sure quantum physics look stupid to me. But that's because I know nothing about quantum physics. Or, as they say, "you can't find the right answer if you are asking the WORONG QUESTION", which is often the case with Gabriel.
Sure, even most TEACHERS don't know why some things are taught the way they are. Generally speaking, when you are trying a kick alone, on the air, in traditional martial arts, the purpose IS to make as difficult as possible, to be a challenge. as the channel of Sensei Seth here in RUclips showed in many instances in his "tryouts' of martial arts, specially, on that case, WUSHU. It's an EXERCISE, it's a DRILL, to develop some attributes, like flexibility, joint mobility and balance.
So, that's one thing about sided bladed side kicks. Another is that MANY high level fighters DID kick like that, including in UFC, debunking Gabriel's argument. It's pretty much the debate over thumbs up or thumbs down on the hook. As Bruce Lee stated, "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.” What looks stacked blocks for a limited mind is just a CONTINUOUS in a spectrum. Like when Gabriel criticized the reverse or inverse kick as "useless" (LMAO!). Samart Payakaroon, a LENGENDARY Muay Thai fighter, was able to box circles around his opponents, much like Muhamad Ali, but instead of his jab he would use his TEEP. How to use a front, straight kick at odd angles? Being able to kick at ANY angle, being FREE with the movements of your legs. So, like Samart, EVEN IF you won't use the EXTREME version of an inverse kick you SHOULD LEARN the inverse kick, because it will make even your teep more flexible and versatile. Same for the side kick here. Being able to do BOTH, to do ALL, will give you more freedom. Muhamad ali never threw a proper HAMMER fist. But HE SURE USED that mechanics of it, in a more subtle way, in his jabs. And NOBODY on his sane mind would say Ali wasn't effective. You are just seeing the EXTREMES, used to TEACH YOU, and not everything IN BETWEEN, that training the extremes would show you (if you are smart and arepaying attention).
Same for the ridge hand. A ridge hand TO THE NECK is hurtful. Anyone who was on the receiving part of it knows it. Believe me. Pretty hard with gloves. But naked hands on the neck, even more ON THE THROAT? Again Gabriel committing the error of ruling out things he demonstrates knowing NOTHING about. Zero. Criticizing a technique specific to hit one target is like criticizing a shovel hook for a liver shot. where would you get that specific angle? Nowhere else.
Agiai, the back fist. Muhamad Ali would use the mechanics of back fist OVER AND OVER again! who is the greatest? Gabriel or Ali? and, once more, back fists were use effectively by high level fighters. And it' s the same for the inverse kicks. It's an ANGLE that it's teaching you. An ANGLE not available to you if you don't know. You can hit the the OPOSITE side as a hook would with the SAME hand. It gives you OPTIONS, it EXPANDS your game. Other advantage of the back fist is that is the most defensive punch ever. You you clear BOTH lanes of our opponent art once. Even if you don't land, it's harder to get counter attacked and you are making the opponent busy and blockin his traffic lanes while you gain an angle.
Again, the SAME ANGLE and the SAME MECHANICS of the back fist are used in LONG GUARD, either the Muay Thai long guard 9Much like Saenchaii would use it) and even more in BoxIng. You'll use it to POST all the time in hand fighting in boxing. Using the back fist you might as well PUNCH out of it too. In close clinch combat, like when we talk about "El Mano di Piedra" that angle and mechanic are also utilized to a great extent. Same for the "bridge', also often criticized in wing Chu. the EXACT SAME TEHCNIQUE (even the Bon Sai, mind you!) is used for hand fight and posting in long guard in boxing. See GERGE FOREMAN long guard tactics, for instance. Foreman would use this mechanic over and over again. But of course GEROGE FOREMAN didn't know what works. Such a hubris! Again, what makes no sense is what HE is saying.
When he says about the back fist springing forward 'not working". Oh yeah! That's why ALI, freaking MUHAMAD ALI, was the greatest champion of the world doing EXACTLY that?
Again, he obsessing, like a child, over minor difference sand not being able to see the connection, when he talks about the back fist and the hammer fist. It all depends where your hands are at the moment, your STANCE and even with you are using your SHOULDER or HIPS to propel the attack. ONCE AGAIN, talking about what he knows NOTHING about.
The toes. He is approaching it only under the perspective of a RING fight. In real life most of the time most people use SHOES. That why SAVATE is specialized in it because you use SHOES. And everyone should try at least a bit of Savate to explore the ENORMOUS possibilities of using SHOES give you. Same for the inverse kick and back first. In a ring you have just ONE opponent that comes right in front of you. On the streets you may be attacked at multiple angles by multiple opponents. And if you don't know those techniques ALL you can do is to readjust. While with that you can still attack them with those options. Even the side kick. Imagine you are in a classic Muay Thai stance and someone comes at YOUR SIDE to attack you while you are dealing with other opponent in front of you. All you can do is to cover and to readjust. Or you simply could SIDE CKCK him or BACK FIST him or readjust WHILE you throw a reverse kick at him. He is SO used to fight just one opponent right in front of him that he can do NOTHING about someone coming to his sides. And even in a ring that is useful, with opponents that are good at cutting angles and think you are totally defenseless in terms of attack with him out of your center line &think about Canizales or willie Pep), and may become reckless and open themselves. They may eat a back fist, an inverse kick or a side kick. again EVEN IN MUAY THAI those techniques exist. In traditional Muay Boran.
I'll just stop here because I don't have the whole day to debunk ALL of the outrageous and arrogant improprieties he is saying.
These is an arrogant generation of fighters. even mike Tyson would watch hours and hours of the same footages of fights from the 1940's under D'Amato. Those kids think they are the TOP, that they replaced the old. When they are a FAR CRY from the greatest of the past in fact.
On the heavy bag, I have used a ridge hand technique, motion wise, but I hit with the palm of my hand and it can generate some nasty power. It is devastating of someone gets hit with that right under the ear close to the occiput.
That would be an slap then right? I think that is better than a ridge hand
I agree with the "pulled forward toe" style roundhouse kick being stupid, and the ridgehand being an inferior strike.
The roundhouse is always best used with toes back and striking with the top of the foot / lower shin. I feel like the toes pulled forward method would be used when going up and over the guard, and coming down into the chest or face. Similar to an Axe Kick.
Ridgehand seems to be more of a niche strike that is easily made obsolete with the Hook or Hammerfist, as you mentioned, assuming the strike was intentional.
Ridge-hands suck. I remember back in the day they were a big favorite of point fighters, but the first time I tried one during a full contact sparring session, I ended up hyper-extending my own elbow when my opponent blocked it.
Yo I'm a Kyokushin green to brown belt (didn't do the test and all the shenanigans) and now I train kickboxing. The difference is huge and I feel like a much more dangerous fighter now.
I have the chance to train with Kru Alin in house of champions next week! I would love to hear anything about your experience working with him
The backfist wasn't meant to be a knockout punch like a hook.
It's more of a blinding fast punch. You use it to strike the eyes with your middle knuckle. Every technique has a purpose.
The only guy in mma to use a modified version of the ridge hand, chuck Liddell
Oh man, I remembered trying to kick with the edge of my foot, thinking “No way in hell I’m gonna pull this off in real combat”.
The 'backfist' is actually a thing in boxing as a jab. I believe even Muhammad Ali used it. It helps to blind the opponent from one side and hiding the right hand, and in a close stance fight it attacks the eye on the lead side as opposed to one on the rear side. I originally saw the snap variation of the crescent kick with the toes pulled back way back during the Dream days, done by Katsunori Kikuno a Kyokushin practitioner. I have recently started experimenting with it in Muay Thai sparring with success. Granted I am extremely careful with it. I believe that most cases of the double strikes are simply wrong interpretations of what the movements in those kata were originally created for.
I think Kata may have little to do with competition
on point! :)
@@adamgrimsley6455 Kata in its true form is meant for combat like shadow boxing.
No, Ali would throw a flick jab. He rarely threw it as backfist, certainly never in the same method taught in kata.
Muhamad Ali used it ALL the time to circle his opponents but Gabrirl "Hubris" Vargas thinks he is better than the king.
How about the iconic “Blade hand” technique where a guy just slice through layers of bricks? I mean why wouldn’t anyone use that on somebody’s skull and get a free win?
There are applications for the backfist but not really as a standalone maybe. For instance, if someone has a long guard, I will sometimes slap it away from the inside and then throw a backfist at their now unguarded face. Is it going to knock them out? Probably not. But it sucks and it takes their attention away so I can throw a follow up strike.
The ridge hand is good for aiming at the throat and groin,and throw it tight now a swing