Great work with this video. I am in the US Army, specifically the Infantry, and a lot of my work comes down to deprogramming these negative mindsets. It's crazy what this manosphere culture does to what people think makes sense. So many people are hard coded in thinking this negative, anger filled way that it kills positive growth. I'll definitely be sharing your video, I know some that would have a chance to grow seeing this.
Hearing this means a lot to me. The redpill mindset is just so toxic, and if you think the video can help reach some of the people you know, that's incredible.
Hey Chris! I call you Chris because I'm also called Chris. Man, I have to tell you, I was so close to finally going full bai lan, I mean I had almost reached it, I almost finished Resignation. And then Natalie came along and then Hidetaka and hbomb and Elvanse and Jesus and bread and futa and shaun and Todd Howard who just works and Claude and everybody and they fooled me into realizing the value of being alive and I lost all my progress and then...you come along too! With your stupid awesome channel. Your vids, man, they're really something else! And then you give me hope of all things. What am I supposed to do with hope? I don't know how to operate this shit! What am I supposed to do now? Declare you my personal hero? Try to become a ytber? Dream of becoming maybe a tenth as good as you one day? Ok, you know what? Screw it! I'm going to become a ytber now and it's your fault!
A great continuation to this video would be Foreign man in a foreign land's video "patriarchy pick me scam" which talks in depth about how patriarchy hurts everyone even men. Also FDs video on his 2nd channel called "just say you hate black men" uploaded 26-2-23 (yesterday as of the time this comment was written)
I saw this come up on Reddit, watched the whole thing and thought it was great (had never considered this perspective before and it makes total sense), and assumed that you've been a long-time creator on RUclips because of your editing and confidence in presenting to camera. I'm amazed this is just your first video! Subscribed and I look forward to any videos you make in the future :)
I don't like "cut every sentence" video format but this is pretty damn good. Yeah I always thought these people hate men for existing as a complex beings.
Awesome video, and im glad you self censored enough so that this could be screened for boys in schools - a huge group that the manosphere has been twisting for at least two years now.
Liked this video and what you had to say. I think this view is key in helping men shed this shit and realise that these other men don't care about them Patriarchy means 'rule of the FATHERS', not men in general. Only a few select men reap the benefits while the rest of us are stuck on the bottom with little chance of moving up (and why would you want to move up when it involves stepping on others?) 12:53 Man I FELT this. I feel this way so much. I often feel like I can't be another person or can't be myself and it does make me think 'well what's the point, why bother at all?' in that blackpill way (I was blackpilled for a while). I've tried the growth stuff and am still trying and it was great for me but I think I focused on the idea that it would make me more attractive and was disappointed when it didn't I know what you say about having intimacy not defining your self-worth but... damn it just sucks when no one's ever been attracted to you. I feel stuck, but that's probably too much baggage sorry Also that clip of Andrew Tate saying he hates seeing a happy child playing outside LMAO. this man is a parody. Bro a whole GTA character lmao
dude thanks so much for the comment and the love! with regards to attraction: I don't know about your situation, but I think it's easy to equate a lack of success in dating to "no one has ever been attracted to me." you never know who has their eye on you, or what signals you've missed!
To me a lot of this feels like a misdirection of genuine problems. The suffering of these men is real, it's just not caused by females but by late stage capitalism. The lack of masculinity has a lot to do with the addictive effects of a lot of social media and the complacent lifestyle that is being sold to us. Regular hard physical excersize is very important for woman and especially for men and many men don't get their minimal as well as a healthy and varied diet which a lot of men aren't getting either.
Hey dude, Thanks for making this kind of video, I think it is so important, I am a Social worker, and I am seeing a much larger impact on young men and it is so damaging. I am your traditionally "Macho" man, tall, broad, contact sports, the works. Honestly, I cry all the time at emotional things, sad film, defo crying, someone winning a gold medal at the olympics and they hug their family, cry. Anything with palpable emotion just sets me off. I could not even begin to imagine shutting this side of me off. Anyway, not sure the point of this comment, but yeah. Visibility is good.
this was really interesting. I like the term "fragile masculinity". These people are deeply troubled, what worries me is that these guys actually have an audience that thinks they are talking "facts", while all they burst out is their own frustration.
I know this is a really old video of yours, but just found your channel! Thank you so much for making this, I’ve seen so many people in my life fall down into this mentality. I really just want them to see their own self worth and humanity. They are more than what others tell them to be. They are a 3 dimensional person, not just a mixture of biology essentialism and traditional gender roles.
Thank you for sharing this! It was so refreshing listening to you. I think you figured it all out and I like the way you’re thinking. So impressive! Keep it up 🎉☺️
This is one of the best put downs of the manosphere I've seen in a long time. Thanks for making this and for fighting the good fight (fighting with love, of course)
For years feminists have been trying to explain how much this harms men. Overstructured gender roles are detrimental to all of us. Men are being told they have to act in such a specific narrow way, it is an impossible standard and an unhealthy onr
I haven't see feminists doing that personally. Most feminists focus on women and problems that harm women, they don't really care about men (which is fine, they can do what they wanna do). I'm not sure why people frame feminists as being a collectivist group that all thinks and acts the same, or why they try to shoehorn men into the movement when it's FEMinism But I do agree with you. Luckily I think a lot of men are waking up and realising it's a raw deal. Unfortunately I also think many men are insecure in the changing landscape and latch onto the regressive rock that is the manosphere because it gives them some stability even if it also slowly crushes them
But also anti-feminism isn't really helping anyone. Many of these, both feminist and manoist don't really do much if anything to actually better the lives of men and woman. It isn't really about rather or not they "hate men", that's kind of irrelevant. What matters is what they do to help improve the lives of men. Like for example many men work in dangerous jobs so the manosphere should try to help them form labour unions and demand better protection for them. Many men feel very socially isolated and vulnerable so the manosphere should try to provide companionship for them, help them make friends.
No they have not. Feminism is literally built upon the premise that men are oppressors, either by nature or nurture, depends on your point of view, and women are their victims. The logical conclusion of this is that feminists do not think misandry is real, which if you've ever talked to any of them you will agree it's an extremely common position. A feminist genuinely being concerned about something harming men is akin to a socialist genuinely being concerned about something harming billionaires.
@@ER-ml8eb I disagree with that assessment. Woman and men can be and often are victimized together. They also can and have worked together for their socialist goals. Feminism is inherently left winged and they have allied with other left-wing organizations. A big part of why they never really allied with labor unions is more so because those unions feared the competition in the job market and the disruptions to their lives. The problem though is that "feminist" is an extremely broad term. Often it's more a negative term meaning one defined more by what it's not. Sometimes anyone who doesn't look down on woman is called a feminist. Most people who self-identify as feminists though hold very socialist views in general. They view it not because of men but as an inherent part of the corrupt capitalist system under which we live.
apparently the audio of one of the clips I pulled for the video got pulled? make sure to turn subtitles on! or don't. which would save you from having to hear Andrew Tate speak.
This was a great analysis video. I appreciate you analyzing the contradictions in the Mano sphere, they’re so harmful to young men. Thank you for posting ❤️
Great first video; hadn't ever explicitly considered this angle of toxic masculinity, and this video really argued the point quite well. Am definitely looking forwards to whatever else you plan on making!
But also what has the manosphere actually done to improve the lives of men? Have they helped disenfranchised men find jobs and housing? Have they helped young lost millenials find a direction? Have they helped underpaid workers doing dangerous work unionize and demand better protection and pay? Have they maybe helped addicts cope with their redraw symptoms? Have they provided support to a lone father who has to take care of multiple kids? Maybe assist the many men being abused by GIG economy find some support or find a way to give them comparable protections of regular workers? I have seen a lot of shouting, blame throwing, toxic attitudes and clickbait titles but very little genuine effort or even concern for the suffering of men.
This is so eye opening for me. For the last 2 years of my life, ever since I first clicked on a Hamza video, I've been sent down the rabbithole of these masculine gurus. It pissed me of to unbelievable degrees, because, I've been a 4channer when I was younger, and these videos are nothing more than early /pol/ grifts. It's something like If you just got of rehab and someone offers you a line. You know you shouldn't but there's something making you do it. I thought if I resent my masculinity, I'd be shielded from radicalization, which is true I didn't become a 4channer again, but it was hindering my progress. It made me resent normal human activities like the gym. And worst of all, I still felt like a shit about myself, and sometimes have thoughts of self deletion or wishing I was trans. This video explained me the reason, and that is that by my resistance to it, I actually was tricked into what they really want to achieve: For us to feel like shit, and thinking they are the answer. They are the disease and the cure.
I'm really glad you're in a better place! there is nothing wrong with being a guy, and loud and proud of it. but we're allowed to define what that looks like, you know? the biggest grift these guys ever pulled is convincing others that they , themselves, aren't the truly weak ones
Somehow found you from a channel recommendation from another channel i found through a recommendation from another guy. Good ass video, hope to se more like this from other creators
Really insightful video. I think there is a lot more to this topic than just the internet sigma males projecting. Hmm... perhaps there are deep societal issues perpetuated by basically everyone who doesn’t realize they are being played... Nah that would be crazy, people are smarter than that. Jokes aside, great video! Looking forward to more content from you.
I think this is interesting. There's discourse among trans people whether a word like Transmisandry can even exist if men aren't structurally oppressed. But I think the issue of what to even call the problems trans guys have with masculinities is the last of our concerns. Yes, the hatred of men differs from the hatred of women. But when I finally started loving men and being a man I learned just how hurt, uncertain, and lonely so many of us are. Even our relationships to each other as men are not often allowed the space to experience the fullest of humanity with another person.
very nice video, you probably should start a tiktok and make a niche on combating the manosphere, the manosphere content is rampant on tiktok for months now and too many young boys are gettting influence by it, seeing some of the tiktok comments by young boys are worrisome for the future tbh, but yeah should probably start a tiktok and make your content reach more people(especially young boys) , its worth considering
I disagree as just fighting it goes nowhere as that will just make them dig their heels in even more. Instead you should try to disprove them through deeds that actually help men. You should also point to actual positive examples of masculinity and I think we can look towards the world wars. Nobody could ever dispute that the soldiers starving, freezing, getting shot at and falling over from exhaustion were unmanly. However many, many, many of them were socialist or even communist. This was because they were "real men". Men that won't let some overpaid CEO abuse them, men that will stand up for themselves to demand a decent life for themselves and their family, men that felt comfortable opening up to others about their experiences, men who proved themselves through deeds to others or a greater cause. Many also don't like to hear it but there was a backlash against the socialism of men and how they weren't "real men" anymore, especially in Germany by the Nazi's. They wanted to restore the idea of strong masculine men against the lesser beta men and especially the omega men which were the jews.
I LOVE this, thank you! I particularly like your explanation of how men get led to the black pill, and would love to contrast it with Jordan Peterson’s words on the subject.
I'm really glad to make one of the first comments on your first video. I really wished you would have acknowledged the fact that yes, sometimes we do just want to have sex with hot bodies. Sometimes women want that too. just hot sex, not much emotion. it's not an inherently horrible thing
thanks so much for bringing that up! I was trying to get that across, but I can definitely see how I maybe didn't make that clear. you're 100% right, there's nothing wrong with anyone wanting sex just for the spice of it! all genders want that, by and large. hopefully my ultimate point came across: having sex with a hot body can't come at the expense of that body's humanity-- or our own.
Found this through the menslib subreddit; seconding everyone else that this is an amazing first video! Really good points, and I love the flower setup in the background as well.
Toxic masculinity 100% = misandry. Hopefully you do a better job explaining that than me bc whenever I drop that take people get mad because misandry isn't real. Kinda misses the point of what a lot of toxic masculinity is :/
A lot of people I am acquainted with have this misguided perspective. And it’s frustrating to me to see them have this self-limiting perspective but cling onto it because it’s the only thing they have to have self-worth. Excellent video
2 things: 1) This video is amazing. I love that you focused on how toxic the manosphere is for men. As you have stated here, there are plenty of videos describing how horrible toxic masculinity is for women, but the fact that toxic masculinity is also horrible for men is not brought up that often. I think type of aspect needs to be brought to the conversation more. Please keep doing this and more videos, society as a whole needs it. 2) I am a freak and proud of it! Left hand all the way. How else am I supposed to use a mouse?
Definitely here for this. Love to see folks looking to build up and figure out a better path. We need to forge a path for our own mental health, because right now the bars of the gilded cage of manhood are gilded in lead and it's fucking killing us.
Found this on Reddit, glad I did. As a trans woman I can't speak to this much, but in my guy pretending days I almost got sucked into the Manosphere until Gamergate.
It's so easy to get sucked in!! I almost went there myself at the rise of the whole pickup artist thing, but realized it was causing me (and others) harm.
@@chriswavest’s almost impossible not to get sucked in, especially if you’re very inexperienced with dating like me. I have gone down that rabbit-hole since I was in high school in 2019 because I was very isolated and felt very lonely and left out during that time and so I just felt like I had to stop being such a “nice guy” Watching this video honestly helped, shit felt like a therapy session for me.
@evanmaldonado9799 this was me way back in high school. there's this message that it's unattractive for men to be "too nice," but it gets complicated because a lot of times being insecure is framed as "nice" and there are also Nice Guys who think that being nice entitles them to feminine attention.
@@chriswaves Yeah, sounds like you had a similar high school experience , I was also surrounding myself around this group of guys who I had nothing really in common with because I thought they were cool and that they were my friends just because they would call me bro and stuff like that but I started noticing that they were kinda rude to me at times and never really made any plans to hang out with me and I started thinking that maybe if I were more “alpha” that they would like me because they liked to act like they were “hard” and not “gay” We are basically taught that being kind to women = Simping. I’m kind to everyone though. Being “Nice” and expecting sex from it is ridiculous tbh.
This is such a great video! Saw it on r/menslib and immediately put it on my watch later. This was really insightful and made me go “ohhhh” like 10 times. Love to hear more of your opinions lmao
For me the real issue isn't just their own contradictions but what they do or rather what they don't do. How much effort have they actually put into helping the condition of men? Like providing food to the poor? Helping unions? Assisting single fathers? I feel calling people out on their hypocrisy is rather pointless as they are not going to change their mind. I think asking for their actual contributions could actually do at least something. I think we should try to promote the idea that social credit comes from deeds and not from words, kind of like how a "real man" would do it. In the middle ages they also had an ideal of a "real man" but it meant a responsible and selfless man. One who is in control of his body and dedicated himself to a larger cause. The most obvious symbol of this was of course the knight, the protector of the innocent and the one who will die in glory for his lord or his cause. Dying on the battlefield with a smile on his face knowing he lived a productive and good life of service and selflessness. I think we need to promote that kind of masculinity. That being a real man comes from being selfless, to work hard for the sake of another, to not be afraid to make a sacrifice, to not be afraid to lose your job to go on strike, to not be afraid to ask your wife for her opinion and to not be afraid to face ridicule to stand up for what's right. To me that is positive masculinity. To fight hard for the sake of another, believe in yourself for the sake of others and to if needed throw yourself in danger to save another.
Wow, I thought I was watching a video by a 500k or 1M sub channel for the first few minutes, the production quality on this video is that good. I've been drawn into some of Sneako's content in the past few weeks during Destiny's arc with him, but I try my best to remember that it's just entertainment and that the red pill ideology is to be avoided, as it is a really good way to stay miserable from what I've seen.
Textbook Gaslighting: the Video. The Manosphere is NOT Misandrist. Women Are. There is nothing Misandrist about the Manosphere. And nothing "Hateful" about MGTOW either. Its about Having self-Respect as a Man.
You have a grand total of 4 clips in this video which you refer to. That doesn't seem very representative of what seems to be a wide online community, or even of the men in them. Ironically you are the one reducing these men to cartoons. I'm not deep into this crap but randomly scrolling on reels/youtube shorts I've come across clips of "manosphere" personalities talking about male friendship, the value of love and marriage, generosity, being happy with simplicity. I don't know, many of them might be total assholes anyway, but I don't get the impression you've painted a full picture here. Can you really boil down an entire loose community of millions to simplistic shit like "THE ONLY THING THEY TELL YOU IS TO BE A VICIOUS ANIMAL" ? Seems a bit reductive.
One thing I also question about this is the attitude towards socialism as many like to say it is the cause of men's weakness. Yet the heights of socialism was actually the world wars and many, many of the men were socialist. You can't say that the men getting shot at on the beaches or drowning in the mud or starving in the trenches were not "real men". They were real men and as real men they felt they should stand up for their rights and not let themselves be treated like dirt by some overpaid CEO in a factory. As real men they felt confident enough to open up to others and put their differences aside for the greater good.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you, especially with your thoughts on narrowing your mind down to become more "alpha". Manosphere/red-pill does not boil down to alpha-hood, because that is a very surface level assumption, it is about assisting men in controlling their emotions, killing unwanted ego, and improving their level of discipline so that they can become a better version of themselves. In my humble opinion, how you came to this conclusion about the manosphere is because you have not been in any combat sport, or any sports that have a strong emphasis on individual performace than teamwork for an extensive amount of time (2 years minimum). If you find it hard to learn from "tough-love", or consume almost exclusively tik-tok videos of Andrew Tate and FnF, then you will very likely come to the wrong conclusion or assumption about the manosphere/red-pill.
I actually think that strong emphasis on individuality is a real problem. Men should not be told to go about life alone, they should seek out friends and people like them for help, support and guidance. I do have a real problem though which is that the manosphere is all talk. They haven't really done much of anything to actually help improve the lives of men. I actually do participate in a combat sport but I mostly find it part of the scam that is most of self help. Humans can't help themselves, never could and never will. Humans are helped through other people and pushing men into even further individualism is very bad. I do also believe very strongly in tough love and that getting rid of spankings was a mistake. A lot of the issues men suffer from are due to late stage capitalism so that means instead of focusing on the individual we should focus on the collective. Tough love actually applies far more to the collective, best example of which is the military where individualism is almost completely eliminated as the mission matters, not the individual.
"Toughening up" is not what we need more of these days, it's compassion and higher thinking. We are in a level of exploitation that was eliminated in the 1930's but now companies have found many loopholes to impliment it again and consumerism has subsumed nearly all manner of purpose. I think instead of just shutting ourselves down to fit in the system maybe we should question the system. It has been done before and it can be done again. Many people say the soldiers of WW1 and WW2 were tough men and they certainly were. Yet if they felt they were being exploited they would go on strike so why shouldn't that be considered a part of being tough men. In WW1 the soldiers of the French army even went on strike at one point, they called it a mutiny but it really was just a strike to demand better conditions and better rations. Today we like to accuse those striking for better pay and conditions of being lazy and spoiled but you can't say the soldiers suffering, dying and being miserable in the trenches were spoiled or lazy. They however were men and as men they were not afraid to stand up for their rights.
You're not wrong in your assessment but the truth isn't really that much better. The manosphere is just a thinly veiled generic self-help. The whole idea you can improve your life by becoming something different rather than banding together to try to create a better life for all.
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Great work with this video. I am in the US Army, specifically the Infantry, and a lot of my work comes down to deprogramming these negative mindsets. It's crazy what this manosphere culture does to what people think makes sense. So many people are hard coded in thinking this negative, anger filled way that it kills positive growth. I'll definitely be sharing your video, I know some that would have a chance to grow seeing this.
Hearing this means a lot to me. The redpill mindset is just so toxic, and if you think the video can help reach some of the people you know, that's incredible.
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"That's an emotional reaction"
"No that's a fact reaction" lmao
finding that moment made watching all that freshnfit content worth it
Hey Chris! I call you Chris because I'm also called Chris. Man, I have to tell you, I was so close to finally going full bai lan, I mean I had almost reached it, I almost finished Resignation. And then Natalie came along and then Hidetaka and hbomb and Elvanse and Jesus and bread and futa and shaun and Todd Howard who just works and Claude and everybody and they fooled me into realizing the value of being alive and I lost all my progress and then...you come along too! With your stupid awesome channel. Your vids, man, they're really something else! And then you give me hope of all things. What am I supposed to do with hope? I don't know how to operate this shit! What am I supposed to do now? Declare you my personal hero? Try to become a ytber? Dream of becoming maybe a tenth as good as you one day? Ok, you know what? Screw it! I'm going to become a ytber now and it's your fault!
A great continuation to this video would be Foreign man in a foreign land's video "patriarchy pick me scam" which talks in depth about how patriarchy hurts everyone even men.
Also FDs video on his 2nd channel called "just say you hate black men" uploaded 26-2-23 (yesterday as of the time this comment was written)
This is your first video ever??? What the fuck?! This is such a great video! I loved it so much. Keep making more!!!
Thank you so much!! 1 down 999,999 to go.
@@chriswaves What Demon did you make that deal to get that level of output?
The most patriarchal men are misandrist, psychological patriarchy!
I saw this come up on Reddit, watched the whole thing and thought it was great (had never considered this perspective before and it makes total sense), and assumed that you've been a long-time creator on RUclips because of your editing and confidence in presenting to camera. I'm amazed this is just your first video! Subscribed and I look forward to any videos you make in the future :)
r/Menslib brought you here? cuz it did for me.
@@kklloopp90 Samesies
@@kklloopp90 yep, same here
@@kklloopp90 same.
Yeah same.
I don't like "cut every sentence" video format but this is pretty damn good.
Yeah I always thought these people hate men for existing as a complex beings.
Agreed. There were so many cuts I started to feel like I was watching Cocomelon or something. Good content, but that style...ugh.
Awesome video, and im glad you self censored enough so that this could be screened for boys in schools - a huge group that the manosphere has been twisting for at least two years now.
The algorithm just introduced me to you today. Looking forward to more.
This is absolutely a necessary discussion. I'm very happy you're engaging in this subject! Subbed :3
Yay, thank you!
Great video, and thanks for providing closed captions as well 👍
Thanks for watching! I plan to always make sure you'll get those CCs
Liked this video and what you had to say. I think this view is key in helping men shed this shit and realise that these other men don't care about them
Patriarchy means 'rule of the FATHERS', not men in general. Only a few select men reap the benefits while the rest of us are stuck on the bottom with little chance of moving up (and why would you want to move up when it involves stepping on others?)
12:53 Man I FELT this. I feel this way so much. I often feel like I can't be another person or can't be myself and it does make me think 'well what's the point, why bother at all?' in that blackpill way (I was blackpilled for a while).
I've tried the growth stuff and am still trying and it was great for me but I think I focused on the idea that it would make me more attractive and was disappointed when it didn't
I know what you say about having intimacy not defining your self-worth but... damn it just sucks when no one's ever been attracted to you. I feel stuck, but that's probably too much baggage sorry
Also that clip of Andrew Tate saying he hates seeing a happy child playing outside LMAO. this man is a parody. Bro a whole GTA character lmao
dude thanks so much for the comment and the love!
with regards to attraction: I don't know about your situation, but I think it's easy to equate a lack of success in dating to "no one has ever been attracted to me." you never know who has their eye on you, or what signals you've missed!
To me a lot of this feels like a misdirection of genuine problems. The suffering of these men is real, it's just not caused by females but by late stage capitalism. The lack of masculinity has a lot to do with the addictive effects of a lot of social media and the complacent lifestyle that is being sold to us.
Regular hard physical excersize is very important for woman and especially for men and many men don't get their minimal as well as a healthy and varied diet which a lot of men aren't getting either.
This video is like ambrosia for my soul.
Hey dude,
Thanks for making this kind of video, I think it is so important, I am a Social worker, and I am seeing a much larger impact on young men and it is so damaging.
I am your traditionally "Macho" man, tall, broad, contact sports, the works. Honestly, I cry all the time at emotional things, sad film, defo crying, someone winning a gold medal at the olympics and they hug their family, cry. Anything with palpable emotion just sets me off. I could not even begin to imagine shutting this side of me off.
Anyway, not sure the point of this comment, but yeah. Visibility is good.
Great take! This channel is going places, I can feel it.
I'm gonna come back to this channel in a year and it'll have 100k subs. Subscribed.
Dude, make more content. You put in words exactly what I was thinking. As a woman talking to the pilled men it's always so exhausting.
this was really interesting. I like the term "fragile masculinity". These people are deeply troubled, what worries me is that these guys actually have an audience that thinks they are talking "facts", while all they burst out is their own frustration.
I know this is a really old video of yours, but just found your channel! Thank you so much for making this, I’ve seen so many people in my life fall down into this mentality.
I really just want them to see their own self worth and humanity. They are more than what others tell them to be. They are a 3 dimensional person, not just a mixture of biology essentialism and traditional gender roles.
10:14 this is very true and I find it really ironic. The guys making a whole fucking cult around getting laid accuse people of simping.
Thank you for sharing this! It was so refreshing listening to you.
I think you figured it all out and I like the way you’re thinking. So impressive!
Keep it up 🎉☺️
actually an amazing take, how do you only have 26 subs? ya done well son
thank you!! I hope to one day have dozens more
This is one of the best put downs of the manosphere I've seen in a long time. Thanks for making this and for fighting the good fight (fighting with love, of course)
For years feminists have been trying to explain how much this harms men. Overstructured gender roles are detrimental to all of us. Men are being told they have to act in such a specific narrow way, it is an impossible standard and an unhealthy onr
I haven't see feminists doing that personally. Most feminists focus on women and problems that harm women, they don't really care about men (which is fine, they can do what they wanna do). I'm not sure why people frame feminists as being a collectivist group that all thinks and acts the same, or why they try to shoehorn men into the movement when it's FEMinism
But I do agree with you. Luckily I think a lot of men are waking up and realising it's a raw deal. Unfortunately I also think many men are insecure in the changing landscape and latch onto the regressive rock that is the manosphere because it gives them some stability even if it also slowly crushes them
I’m a little embarrassed that it took a man to tell me this in order for it to register. But then again it is kinda our job to advocate for ourselves.
But also anti-feminism isn't really helping anyone. Many of these, both feminist and manoist don't really do much if anything to actually better the lives of men and woman. It isn't really about rather or not they "hate men", that's kind of irrelevant.
What matters is what they do to help improve the lives of men. Like for example many men work in dangerous jobs so the manosphere should try to help them form labour unions and demand better protection for them. Many men feel very socially isolated and vulnerable so the manosphere should try to provide companionship for them, help them make friends.
No they have not. Feminism is literally built upon the premise that men are oppressors, either by nature or nurture, depends on your point of view, and women are their victims. The logical conclusion of this is that feminists do not think misandry is real, which if you've ever talked to any of them you will agree it's an extremely common position. A feminist genuinely being concerned about something harming men is akin to a socialist genuinely being concerned about something harming billionaires.
@@ER-ml8eb I disagree with that assessment. Woman and men can be and often are victimized together. They also can and have worked together for their socialist goals.
Feminism is inherently left winged and they have allied with other left-wing organizations. A big part of why they never really allied with labor unions is more so because those unions feared the competition in the job market and the disruptions to their lives.
The problem though is that "feminist" is an extremely broad term. Often it's more a negative term meaning one defined more by what it's not. Sometimes anyone who doesn't look down on woman is called a feminist.
Most people who self-identify as feminists though hold very socialist views in general. They view it not because of men but as an inherent part of the corrupt capitalist system under which we live.
Damn, this is your first video? Great work! You just gained a new subscriber!
Much appreciated! Glad to have ya
apparently the audio of one of the clips I pulled for the video got pulled? make sure to turn subtitles on! or don't. which would save you from having to hear Andrew Tate speak.
This was a great analysis video. I appreciate you analyzing the contradictions in the Mano sphere, they’re so harmful to young men. Thank you for posting ❤️
Thanks so much for watching! I really appreciate it!
Great first video; hadn't ever explicitly considered this angle of toxic masculinity, and this video really argued the point quite well. Am definitely looking forwards to whatever else you plan on making!
Thanks so much! I think sexism winds up cutting both ways, and I never see it talked about enough
@@chriswaves I see it as cyclical. Misogyny and misandry and very linked and perpetuate each other in an insidious way
But also what has the manosphere actually done to improve the lives of men?
Have they helped disenfranchised men find jobs and housing? Have they helped young lost millenials find a direction? Have they helped underpaid workers doing dangerous work unionize and demand better protection and pay? Have they maybe helped addicts cope with their redraw symptoms? Have they provided support to a lone father who has to take care of multiple kids? Maybe assist the many men being abused by GIG economy find some support or find a way to give them comparable protections of regular workers?
I have seen a lot of shouting, blame throwing, toxic attitudes and clickbait titles but very little genuine effort or even concern for the suffering of men.
Yes. More of this.
On the way for sure!
Good video dude, and I love your cute background too!
Great video, looking forward to seeing more from you!
This is so eye opening for me. For the last 2 years of my life, ever since I first clicked on a Hamza video, I've been sent down the rabbithole of these masculine gurus.
It pissed me of to unbelievable degrees, because, I've been a 4channer when I was younger, and these videos are nothing more than early /pol/ grifts. It's something like If you just got of rehab and someone offers you a line. You know you shouldn't but there's something making you do it.
I thought if I resent my masculinity, I'd be shielded from radicalization, which is true I didn't become a 4channer again, but it was hindering my progress. It made me resent normal human activities like the gym. And worst of all, I still felt like a shit about myself, and sometimes have thoughts of self deletion or wishing I was trans.
This video explained me the reason, and that is that by my resistance to it, I actually was tricked into what they really want to achieve:
For us to feel like shit, and thinking they are the answer. They are the disease and the cure.
I'm really glad you're in a better place! there is nothing wrong with being a guy, and loud and proud of it. but we're allowed to define what that looks like, you know? the biggest grift these guys ever pulled is convincing others that they , themselves, aren't the truly weak ones
Somehow found you from a channel recommendation from another channel i found through a recommendation from another guy. Good ass video, hope to se more like this from other creators
Really insightful video. I think there is a lot more to this topic than just the internet sigma males projecting. Hmm... perhaps there are deep societal issues perpetuated by basically everyone who doesn’t realize they are being played... Nah that would be crazy, people are smarter than that.
Jokes aside, great video! Looking forward to more content from you.
I'm a simple guy. I see someone deconstructing idiotic opinions and I press the like button
I think this is interesting. There's discourse among trans people whether a word like Transmisandry can even exist if men aren't structurally oppressed. But I think the issue of what to even call the problems trans guys have with masculinities is the last of our concerns. Yes, the hatred of men differs from the hatred of women. But when I finally started loving men and being a man I learned just how hurt, uncertain, and lonely so many of us are. Even our relationships to each other as men are not often allowed the space to experience the fullest of humanity with another person.
My internet is being weird… I want subscribe… downloading to make sure my subscription sticks
I loved this video so much!!
very nice video, you probably should start a tiktok and make a niche on combating the manosphere, the manosphere content is rampant on tiktok for months now and too many young boys are gettting influence by it, seeing some of the tiktok comments by young boys are worrisome for the future tbh, but yeah should probably start a tiktok and make your content reach more people(especially young boys) , its worth considering
I've been thinking about a TikTok!
@@chriswaves yess please do!
I disagree as just fighting it goes nowhere as that will just make them dig their heels in even more.
Instead you should try to disprove them through deeds that actually help men.
You should also point to actual positive examples of masculinity and I think we can look towards the world wars. Nobody could ever dispute that the soldiers starving, freezing, getting shot at and falling over from exhaustion were unmanly. However many, many, many of them were socialist or even communist. This was because they were "real men". Men that won't let some overpaid CEO abuse them, men that will stand up for themselves to demand a decent life for themselves and their family, men that felt comfortable opening up to others about their experiences, men who proved themselves through deeds to others or a greater cause.
Many also don't like to hear it but there was a backlash against the socialism of men and how they weren't "real men" anymore, especially in Germany by the Nazi's. They wanted to restore the idea of strong masculine men against the lesser beta men and especially the omega men which were the jews.
That was a great video!
So glad someone's talking about the inherent misandry of the patriarchy.
Nice to meet you Chris! Subscribed :D
Misandry and femmephobia are compatible.
Awesome video man! You have yourself a new loyal sub :)
Welcome aboard!
@@chriswaves oh thanks bro :)
I LOVE this, thank you! I particularly like your explanation of how men get led to the black pill, and would love to contrast it with Jordan Peterson’s words on the subject.
i like how your brain works dude
thanks, back at you! love your channel
I'm really glad to make one of the first comments on your first video.
I really wished you would have acknowledged the fact that yes, sometimes we do just want to have sex with hot bodies. Sometimes women want that too. just hot sex, not much emotion. it's not an inherently horrible thing
thanks so much for bringing that up! I was trying to get that across, but I can definitely see how I maybe didn't make that clear. you're 100% right, there's nothing wrong with anyone wanting sex just for the spice of it! all genders want that, by and large. hopefully my ultimate point came across: having sex with a hot body can't come at the expense of that body's humanity-- or our own.
Found this through the menslib subreddit; seconding everyone else that this is an amazing first video! Really good points, and I love the flower setup in the background as well.
Glad you enjoyed it!
this is something i dont see often talked about, im glad someone finally said it !!!
This is honestly the first time I’ve ever really seen this talked about, It’s something I noticed a lot within the manosphere.
Toxic masculinity 100% = misandry. Hopefully you do a better job explaining that than me bc whenever I drop that take people get mad because misandry isn't real. Kinda misses the point of what a lot of toxic masculinity is :/
Only someone who believes men are NOT people could believe misandry doesn't exist.
Since you asked, I came here from Reddit. You made a great point
Great video!
Bro went from 0 subs to almost 200 subs from just 1 video.
Liked and Subbed
dude I am floored
A lot of people I am acquainted with have this misguided perspective. And it’s frustrating to me to see them have this self-limiting perspective but cling onto it because it’s the only thing they have to have self-worth. Excellent video
I loved every word. You speak the truth and more men need to see this. Great work on your first video!
2 things:
1) This video is amazing. I love that you focused on how toxic the manosphere is for men. As you have stated here, there are plenty of videos describing how horrible toxic masculinity is for women, but the fact that toxic masculinity is also horrible for men is not brought up that often. I think type of aspect needs to be brought to the conversation more. Please keep doing this and more videos, society as a whole needs it.
2) I am a freak and proud of it! Left hand all the way. How else am I supposed to use a mouse?
This is such a great first video! Toxic masculinity hurts men the most, alongside everyone around them.
Definitely here for this. Love to see folks looking to build up and figure out a better path. We need to forge a path for our own mental health, because right now the bars of the gilded cage of manhood are gilded in lead and it's fucking killing us.
Found this on Reddit, glad I did. As a trans woman I can't speak to this much, but in my guy pretending days I almost got sucked into the Manosphere until Gamergate.
It's so easy to get sucked in!! I almost went there myself at the rise of the whole pickup artist thing, but realized it was causing me (and others) harm.
@@chriswavest’s almost impossible not to get sucked in, especially if you’re very inexperienced with dating like me. I have gone down that rabbit-hole since I was in high school in 2019 because I was very isolated and felt very lonely and left out during that time and so I just felt like I had to stop being such a “nice guy” Watching this video honestly helped, shit felt like a therapy session for me.
@evanmaldonado9799 this was me way back in high school. there's this message that it's unattractive for men to be "too nice," but it gets complicated because a lot of times being insecure is framed as "nice" and there are also Nice Guys who think that being nice entitles them to feminine attention.
@@chriswaves Yeah, sounds like you had a similar high school experience , I was also surrounding myself around this group of guys who I had nothing really in common with because I thought they were cool and that they were my friends just because they would call me bro and stuff like that but I started noticing that they were kinda rude to me at times and never really made any plans to hang out with me and I started thinking that maybe if I were more “alpha” that they would like me because they liked to act like they were “hard” and not “gay” We are basically taught that being kind to women = Simping. I’m kind to everyone though. Being “Nice” and expecting sex from it is ridiculous tbh.
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This is such a great video! Saw it on r/menslib and immediately put it on my watch later. This was really insightful and made me go “ohhhh” like 10 times. Love to hear more of your opinions lmao
For me the real issue isn't just their own contradictions but what they do or rather what they don't do. How much effort have they actually put into helping the condition of men? Like providing food to the poor? Helping unions? Assisting single fathers?
I feel calling people out on their hypocrisy is rather pointless as they are not going to change their mind. I think asking for their actual contributions could actually do at least something. I think we should try to promote the idea that social credit comes from deeds and not from words, kind of like how a "real man" would do it. In the middle ages they also had an ideal of a "real man" but it meant a responsible and selfless man. One who is in control of his body and dedicated himself to a larger cause. The most obvious symbol of this was of course the knight, the protector of the innocent and the one who will die in glory for his lord or his cause. Dying on the battlefield with a smile on his face knowing he lived a productive and good life of service and selflessness.
I think we need to promote that kind of masculinity. That being a real man comes from being selfless, to work hard for the sake of another, to not be afraid to make a sacrifice, to not be afraid to lose your job to go on strike, to not be afraid to ask your wife for her opinion and to not be afraid to face ridicule to stand up for what's right.
To me that is positive masculinity. To fight hard for the sake of another, believe in yourself for the sake of others and to if needed throw yourself in danger to save another.
Amen, I 100% agree with you, very well said.
They took away the audio from the clip
Wow, I thought I was watching a video by a 500k or 1M sub channel for the first few minutes, the production quality on this video is that good. I've been drawn into some of Sneako's content in the past few weeks during Destiny's arc with him, but I try my best to remember that it's just entertainment and that the red pill ideology is to be avoided, as it is a really good way to stay miserable from what I've seen.
8:23 don't shame me for being a leftist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Textbook Gaslighting: the Video. The Manosphere is NOT Misandrist. Women Are. There is nothing Misandrist about the Manosphere. And nothing "Hateful" about MGTOW either. Its about Having self-Respect as a Man.
You have a grand total of 4 clips in this video which you refer to. That doesn't seem very representative of what seems to be a wide online community, or even of the men in them. Ironically you are the one reducing these men to cartoons. I'm not deep into this crap but randomly scrolling on reels/youtube shorts I've come across clips of "manosphere" personalities talking about male friendship, the value of love and marriage, generosity, being happy with simplicity. I don't know, many of them might be total assholes anyway, but I don't get the impression you've painted a full picture here. Can you really boil down an entire loose community of millions to simplistic shit like "THE ONLY THING THEY TELL YOU IS TO BE A VICIOUS ANIMAL" ? Seems a bit reductive.
Yes, manosphere is misandrist, but let's not even for a second pretend feminism is not, ok?
Red herring much?
@@matthewgiroux9590 dont even know what you mean.
One thing I also question about this is the attitude towards socialism as many like to say it is the cause of men's weakness. Yet the heights of socialism was actually the world wars and many, many of the men were socialist. You can't say that the men getting shot at on the beaches or drowning in the mud or starving in the trenches were not "real men".
They were real men and as real men they felt they should stand up for their rights and not let themselves be treated like dirt by some overpaid CEO in a factory. As real men they felt confident enough to open up to others and put their differences aside for the greater good.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you, especially with your thoughts on narrowing your mind down to become more "alpha". Manosphere/red-pill does not boil down to alpha-hood, because that is a very surface level assumption, it is about assisting men in controlling their emotions, killing unwanted ego, and improving their level of discipline so that they can become a better version of themselves.
In my humble opinion, how you came to this conclusion about the manosphere is because you have not been in any combat sport, or any sports that have a strong emphasis on individual performace than teamwork for an extensive amount of time (2 years minimum).
If you find it hard to learn from "tough-love", or consume almost exclusively tik-tok videos of Andrew Tate and FnF, then you will very likely come to the wrong conclusion or assumption about the manosphere/red-pill.
I actually think that strong emphasis on individuality is a real problem. Men should not be told to go about life alone, they should seek out friends and people like them for help, support and guidance.
I do have a real problem though which is that the manosphere is all talk. They haven't really done much of anything to actually help improve the lives of men.
I actually do participate in a combat sport but I mostly find it part of the scam that is most of self help. Humans can't help themselves, never could and never will. Humans are helped through other people and pushing men into even further individualism is very bad. I do also believe very strongly in tough love and that getting rid of spankings was a mistake.
A lot of the issues men suffer from are due to late stage capitalism so that means instead of focusing on the individual we should focus on the collective. Tough love actually applies far more to the collective, best example of which is the military where individualism is almost completely eliminated as the mission matters, not the individual.
"Toughening up" is not what we need more of these days, it's compassion and higher thinking. We are in a level of exploitation that was eliminated in the 1930's but now companies have found many loopholes to impliment it again and consumerism has subsumed nearly all manner of purpose.
I think instead of just shutting ourselves down to fit in the system maybe we should question the system. It has been done before and it can be done again. Many people say the soldiers of WW1 and WW2 were tough men and they certainly were. Yet if they felt they were being exploited they would go on strike so why shouldn't that be considered a part of being tough men. In WW1 the soldiers of the French army even went on strike at one point, they called it a mutiny but it really was just a strike to demand better conditions and better rations.
Today we like to accuse those striking for better pay and conditions of being lazy and spoiled but you can't say the soldiers suffering, dying and being miserable in the trenches were spoiled or lazy. They however were men and as men they were not afraid to stand up for their rights.
You're not wrong in your assessment but the truth isn't really that much better. The manosphere is just a thinly veiled generic self-help. The whole idea you can improve your life by becoming something different rather than banding together to try to create a better life for all.
I found this via r/incelexit, so hopefully it has helped some of the men there break out of their thought processes