she looks good, like most mums everywhere, but the prettiest of the mums. We also have to forgive beautiful women for getting old, some men wont do that.
Madonna is like 67 yr old and tons of makeup and loads of plastic surgery. Pam Anderson graced Playboy Mag several times, and Pam is 57 yr old and embraces aging gracefully.
I remember in Truth Or Dare where Madonna used to poke fun of women who surgically augmented their breasts with surgery. She bragged about being 'natural'. Those days are long gone.
I'm not much younger than Madonna and always thought she was going to be one of those kick ass women that aged gracefully because she built power and was secure enough that she didn't need to cave to the pressure to look young in her older years. I never would have thought she was going to be the weak one and Pamela Anderson would be the one to embrace her age and natural look.
I've brought that up several times, and no one seems to remember when Madonna said, in her ridiculously embarrassing baby voice... "we don't like fake body parts". Now she has to be careful when she sits on her fake butt, because she got butt implants, not a fat transfer (because she didn't have any fat to put in her butt), and butt implants can slide around, and move the hips.
I'm 58. I can tell you, as a woman who received lots of attention when I was younger, I honestly don't miss it. The attention I receive now is more genuine, less superficial.
Yes. As a man, old now but not always, I always like to see the woman in the book, not the glossy picture on the cover. I'm not going to lie and say that the cover didn't turn my head, but it's totally fleeting. My late wife grew more beautiful as she aged. But of course I was biased.
It’s struck me how lovely women like Monica Belluci, Emmylou Harris, Jane Seymour, and Michelle Pfeiffer are. Their faces have aged at the same rate all over, they kept their hair long, and seem very classy.
Jennifer Connelly has aged beautifully too. Pfiffer and Anderson have had some work done on their faces but they didn’t OD on fillers. Fillers are the main problem here.
Monica Belluci has aged incredibly well. I saw her in the Beetlejuice reboot recently and then was shocked to discover that she's actually 60 years old! She looks far better than many 40 year old women.
It's called being a 10/10 out of the gate, then taking -extremely- good care of themselves. Diet, exercise, not doing copious amounts of cocaine and alcohol/smoking, not living incredibly stressful lives, not tanning themselves into oblivion. And not being evil. I swear Amber Heard went from a 10 to a 4 in the span of 5 years from coke, booze and pure insane malice.
I'm 42 with 3 teens, 2 of which are now towering over me, and I feel like I'm in the exact place I should be. They keep me young, alive and striving inside - the outside is irrelevant. Reject vanity embrace family 👌🏻
This is all true - I'm a 59 yo woman. I was a very good looking young woman and I absolutely used that to my advantage. Unfortunately I was unable to have children myself, but my husbands grandchildren are like my own as I have been around their entire lives. I did go through a period of time when I realised I wasn't going to get the male attention and I DID for a while, feel invisible. But I was incredibly lucky to grow up with parents that didn't sugar coat stuff like this and I was never under the illusion that youth lasts. I have done nothing - no fillers/botox/surgery and 4 years ago I decided to grow out my hair and stop dyeing it. How liberating! I still wear a bit of makeup like mascara and look after myself - but I am so very grateful to be healthy and alive and happy and I am enjoying being my age - except for that noise I have to make when I get up off the sofa or have to get up off the floor haha.
Thank you for sharing. I'm sad to hear that you didn't have a family of your own. In a few years I'll be 40 and as an average man I might end up the same way, but lonelier.
@arnoldziffel4943 i didnt, nerd. i saw "read more" and commented that no one cares because real men are talking. women should be listening and not yapping histrionically about themselves
As a man in my 50's. I am still attracted to older woman if they show dignity and grace. Often it is not to do with looks when you get older it is to do with character and a certain Je ne sais quoi.
@@patientmental875 thats true. I know one who is struggling a lot at 55. As for me, i still have a high sex drive at 46 but women my age rarely have sex appeal so it feels that part of my life is over because young women are shallow and indoctrinated..
She’s always been intelligent and emotionally mature for her age. She just never had a chance to show herself beyond her looks and her messy relationships. She was definitely a victim of Hollywood typecasting
The idea of men and women having higher status at different stages of their lives is explored interestingly in The Witcher books. In them magic users are able to freeze their aging at any given point. It is something of a rule that Sorceresses will do this mid to late twenties to claim the absolute bombshell look (I think Triss is the only one who is as old as she looks, Yennefer is actually about 100 years old in Witcher 3) whereas Sorcerers will do this late forties to early fifties to claim the dignified elder statesman look.
My teenage daughter has acne but won't wear make-up. I applaud her for that. I told her both me and her nan had acne but look younger in our old age because of it.
As a bloke I started going grey in my late teens and at 40 my hair is now basically white. But as long as I still have a full head of hair, you will not hear me complaning.
I started losing my hair in my late 20's. It never affected my abilities with the opposite sex, I luckily have the face shape and structure to carry it off. I'm now very close to 60, facial hair is white, I have eye lines, but in the Grand scheme of things......I couldn't give a damn.
Acceptance for things you can't control is one of the best lessons I have learned in life. A lot of the negative aspects of aging can be mitigated by taking good care of yourself (sleep, diet, exercise etc)
let´s be honest after 27 it´s really downhill for women. no matter how much you take care opf yourself. you can never compete with a 22 year old. never
Sad to have any poster on the wall at all of a young celebrity ever. Never thought about it because I was a well rounded person. Something creepy about a persons view on sexuality.
“You’re having things taken away from you by nature itself.” Beautifully put. Nature giveth, nature taketh away. Circle of life, etc. And without death, there could be no new life. It’s necessary.
There is an old buddhist poem which loosely translated reads; Yes , I am going bald, But look and see how the beard of my grandson grows Carl is 100% correct in this
I walked passed Pete Burns in soho about a year before he died, I didnt notice him, my other half bought it to my attention, still not sure how I managed it, must have been pissed.
Women's lives were supposed to have trajectory, by the time you lose the general societal interest in your looks, you're supposed to be a mother and possibly grandmother and the importance of your life is cemented in a matriarchal role which is infinitely more fulfulling than being forever 21.
As a man, the loneliness we feel is just our lot in life. To get attention and happiness, it's something we must earn. If we do nothing to earn our happiness, we will not be happy. Do not fear age, do not fear death. Âr-pharazon was tempted to fear death by Sauron and drawn to bring Númenor to invade Valinor, destroying Númenor entirely. King Théoden knew his time was up and prepared to charge to battle on the Pelenor fields, and before he charged with the Rohirrim, he let out the battle cry "Death! Death!! Death!!!" And when he was crushed under his fallen horse in battle, he spoke his final words "Now I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company, I now no longer need feel shame." Be Théoden, don't be Âr-Pharazon
Theoden struggled with feelings of inadequacy for most of his life, believing that he was a disappointment to his ancestors. And yet when the time came and everything was on the line he rose to the occasion to save his people, and was able to meet his death with dignity.
Pam Anderson got hepatitis from a tattoo and was facing early death before she became one of the first successful recipients of a cure for the disease. Surviving something like that probably gave her a more mature appreciation for life and living.
Women are not 'invisible' as they get older. They become, in our minds, grandmothers. Men don't date their grandmother, so why would they date an elderly woman? They're supposed to be cherished and protected as mothers and grandmothers raising children, even when they're not. It's inherent respect. Unconscious respect.
Well it depends on your age. I'm 63 so do not delude myself any woman in her 20s or 30s would consider me as anything more than a bipedal credit card. The problem is, after so many years of Feminist brain washing, even the over-45s are not date-able anymore. As for respect, I'd rather not say what I think about them because the YT AI will surely delete it😖
Aging gracefully is not a mindset found often in our hyper narcissistic culture. Once beautiful women will rather bog themselves, trying to maintain their youthfull appeal, but in the process 99/100 age faster and end up looking like circus freaks.
Meg Ryan is another example of not aging gracefully. She was the Queen of the Rom-Com. She was attractive and funny and the kind of person/character that audiences could identify with or aspire to be. Since then, she has had so many botched plastic surgeries, she does not look like herself anymore. Kenny Rogers is another example of not aging gracefully. While I wouldn't say he was gorgeous, but he had a very recognizable "look" and a voice like butter. At some point, he got too many plastic surgeries, and he no longer looked like himself.
48 years old, soon to be 49, no kids no wife, no real financial success. sliding right down behind you. Don't think I'm getting off this track, except for death. Just trying to foster some wisdom and equanimity in the remaining years of my life.
A couple of things. Being alone and being lonely are not the same. Personally, I enjoy the peace and quiet that comes from not having someone constantly and pointlessly jabbering away or creating drama and problems because they are bored. Look around at older men who are in a couple. It is rare to see one who looks anything better than dejected. Most downright miserable. I feel sorry for them that they have some dried up, empty egg box using them as an emotion tampon to dump all their frustrations on. Also, everybody can think of things that they should or shouldn't have said or done at some point in the past. EVERYBODY. But please remember this. Every experience we have (no matter how small or mundane) changes us to a greater or lesser degree. Even the smallest of these changes add up over time to produce someone who is different to before - whether it be years or days ago. The mistake we often make is to look back at something dumb we did and see us, as we are now, making that mistake rather than a less experienced version derping through life. You are a different person now from the one who screwed up. This, however, does not absolve us of our feelings of guilt or shame, but they are there to help us learn from those mistakes - to try not to repeat them and become better for it.
@@bugletooth My heart gos out to you brother Im 10 years older than you felt like that when I was 40 I decided to take a look at myself what I was doing why am I here in this place? I wrote down a list of all the things I was doing that needed to change and got down to crossing them off the list I did not aspire to being rich just to have something to say Ive achieved something, I stopped drinking every day started exsercising more and went back to college(will be going back to learn how to spell though) Went on a dating site met a lot of different women until I thought this is fun but not going to find the right women here so went to shut that down only to meet my wife on the very last message I looked at who was a Chinese women my age we have 2 great kids now and a reasonably happy life so please dont give up work on yourself the rest will follow Get Jordan peterson on your play list it will help I promise,Best wishs Steve
The conclusion is completely correct. If you do it right as a woman, you don’t become invisible at all. You become a mother, a matron and then a matriarch. Rather than being invisible you are the center of your children’s world and a rock for your husband. As I move into my forties as a married mother of four I am quite happy with the transition- I don’t need or want the attention of random men on the street, I don’t need any validation from the outside world on something as simple as my looks, because I’m happy to have the accomplishments of building my family and the relationship with my husband. I am happy to be a respectable wife and mother. I don’t want to still be treated as a silly young girl or a simple object of attraction for men I don’t even know or care for. Now when I work out and keep up my appearance I do so for the sake of my own health and my marriage. Accept the stages of life you move into, each is wonderful and meaningful. There is so much more to a woman’s life than just looking hot and youthful.
As a 25 year old married woman, my only desire is to be attractive to my husband! So much better than worrying about being attractive to men in general prior to getting married...
Pre-surgeries Pam was so beautiful. I never liked her all plasticed up. Now, I think she looks beautiful again. I'm glad she's going the Helen Mirren route. Poor Madonna. I mostly feel bad for her. Whatever is going on in her head, I doubt it can be that much fun.
I agree with you. She is still model material but for a different demographic and age range. She is not making money being a model for men but can make money by showing other women how to age gracefully.
The reason I’m so keen on getting married and having kids is that I don’t want to have to worry about this when I’m their age. Of course I still want to look good for my husband but I don’t want to have to compete in a dating market for people with baggage. I just want to be playing with my grandkids at their age.
Growing old is never easy, no matter how you try to sugar coat it. In my youth, I couldnt walk down a street without getting cat calls, whistles, smiles and glances from men. I am now 69 years old and I do not really miss all that attention, however, I DO miss my beauty and youth. I also miss the level of energy I had years ago. I am a wife, mother and grandmother and while I love my family and enjoy being a part of their lives, I wish I could regain some of my youth.
One of the most beautiful woman I have ever met was an 84yr old. She was absolute class. Even the lines on her face were perfect. It's not just the visual.Beauty also comes from the the person you are. I still think about her
@@baraka629 no bull man this woman had absolute class she'd been a member of the Raj in India everything about her was just perfect. Her clothes her hair her jewelry. Age doesn't determine beauty look at any classical art work.
I used to have a picture up on the gate. 'Beware of the dogs.' I've a Bully XL, 2 Dobermans and a Canis Panther. People still called. I replaced that last year with a picture of Madonna. Nobody calls at my door anymore.
I am a lady of 63 and was attractive in my younger days... today I just don't care for a man and I am very happy on my own living a very peaceful life.
Precisely the problem. Your peaceful life is the product of mens sacrifice, and when men hear women don't care, why should they continue to pay the price?
There is nothing wrong with trying to retain looks, but they just go too far. The doctors just see £ signs, and having no true friends to tell you to just stop.
Also, it’s worth noting many celebrities opt for the sort of surreal, slightly grotesque vaudeville route i.e. Joan Crawford, Mae West, and then on down to Cher, Dolly Parton, now Madonna. It’s as though they know if they sort of self-immortalise, or mummify their image that’s how they’ll be remembered forever. I think Beyoncé will go that way, Adele also gives me this vibe. You could say they walk around wearing their death masks.
Pamela, age 58 or 59 looks just fine ... no make up and still looks good but Madonna on the other side ...ohhh boy ... Madonna was really attractive woman without having done anything but After all this awful surgery ?! Dont know why woman and Girls think surgery or trillions of make up does them any favor is beyond me !? Nothing more beautiful than a woman smiling at you when she just wakes up without having put on any make up !!!
@janeslater8004 ah okay ... 56 years old, no make up and looks more then just okay and Madonna was not only hot in her youth she was really beautiful when she was gettin a bit older, at her 40's she was gettin rid of her ,, old Image " and was just a good lookin woman ...
I think there is a slight loophole around this for older women. If you dress up respectably and put together, ideally wearing dresses and skirts, people will notice. It may be other women that come up and give you compliments, but I notice men looking too. I think men are afraid that a compliment will be perceived the wrong way in this day and age. But at least in my area, no one dresses up to go out anymore, so it is very noticeable when someone does.
As a guy who at 34 is pretty bald… if you start losing hair, don’t fight it man! There is nothing worse than growing your thinning hair out and combing it over, or even worse trying to color your hair with product to fill it out. I promise it will look better every single time if you just cut it real short or shave it completely. I won’t lie to you though, it is really cold being bald haha
Blame the women for that one, I've shaved my head since I was 13, always prefered it that way, it was women who obsessed over my hair, now at 38, I'm losing it and I don't care, but once again women are the ones who make a big deal out of it, it's weird.
Well, I’ve been married almost 10 years, and started balding like 5 year ago, but my wife says she likes me better bald. Haha. So I’m not super helpful on whether shaving your head gets more female attention
Wouldn't take her more than 5 minutes to do her brows and add a little color to her face. She looks really washed out on camera. I think shes doing this for attention. It's attention from women, but it's still attention.
There's a moment in that interview with current day Pamela where she let out a proper smile, not just the fake "the cameras are watching smile" but one from the heart, and that youthful beauty shone through. She did look quite lovely. I doubt Madonna can manage a true smile with a face like that.
So ladies, the moral is after 50 dont wear a bit of lippy or try to improve your self-confidence because Carl thinks its "sad". This is bonkers on so many levels. Firstly, men do not grow up "lonely" because I know men have some very tightly knit and deep friendship groups, such as football clubs, sports, and other manly pursuits. Mens groups are as strong as female ones. It is also not true that average looking guys are not looked at, because I dated most of them. Young men dont wander around not being looked at, because I was a girl once and I can assure you that all girls DO is look at boys in their school or university. Carl's example are at the extremes, Madonna has exaggerated with the plastic surgery, but I can also assure him that women over 50 dont go moping around moaning about being "invisible", over a certain age most women dont give a toss what people think of them, they are happy in their own skins, confident and are wearing makeup when they feel like it. ffs this kind of analysis is so narrow and limiting.
Agreed so sick of the older woman bashing!! Older women are all unattractive,lonely and washed up, the message he keeps pushing is well you are older now just accept you WILL be ALONE for the rest of your life!!! 🥱🥱🥱
This goes back to that 80’s supermodel who was married to the lead singer of the Cars a couple of years ago. I can’t remember her name now but she was going around the internet having interviews about how men her age walk past her towards younger women. She wanted the sisterhood to tell older men to stop talking to younger ones and focus on women their age. Of course, she benefited from that dynamic at the time when she was younger and married a guy almost two decades her senior.
As an attractive woman whos very close to 40, Im always grateful for compliments I get on my looks, skin & what people think my age actually is. Though I have suffered much in my life I have always tried to react with dignity & grace & stay as positive as possible. I think there is something deep to be said about those who try to lessen the suffering of the world around them... and those who do not. It is no secret that Madonna is a Satanist, her strange clothing, her choices in life, the symbolism she surrounds herself with & most importantly her own explanation of her music and what it means to her; sex, drugs and fallen angels. Im no Christian but I know a poisoned heart when I see one & in my experience every time someone surrounds themselves with "true witchcraft" they eventually become gross, vain & vindictive people. Ageing with grace is a choice, I 100% agree, but allowing evil thoughts into your mind daily will age you rapidly too. My point is while I completely agree with you Sargon, I believe there is a spiritual element outside of genetics & personal choices to life that is so often missed. As they say - "Ugly on the inside, ugly on the outside". Much love friend, Merry Christmas(or Yule), Happy New Year! :)
I also wanted to add on a separate reply that Men gain status as they age and Women gain wisdom as they age. Obviously both are not exclusive to men/women alone so let me give you an example with one word; Matron. If done right, a woman who ages properly with wisdom, dignity & control she will be a force to be reckoned with & one who can guide whole communities for the better. There is a reason why elders of both sexes are sought after for advice & council but I would argue that the power of a Matron is very different than that of a Patron. Ive started to turn my mind to what that looks like for me as I am a little over a year away from 40, being mindful of this fact has made ageing seem so much less scary & so much more important & like a necessary stage of life.
The problem is Madonna isn’t coping with aging at all. That’s why she’s turned herself into an alien. Pamela looks great. Edit: I’m 60 and I wear no makeup unless it’s a special occasion like a wedding. I stopped dyeing my hair in n 2019 because I got tired of hiding them every few weeks. My husband met me as a very natural young woman and apparently I “look the same” as in 1986 😂 I don’t but I love him for it 😊
I don’t know any boy who had Madonna on his bedroom wall 😂 Bikini Pam, at a stretch. We had rock bands posters and horror movie posters. Not girly, goofy pop stars.😅
Very well put Sargon! I really like your pace and clarity when you speak. It's almost that the archetypes are there to guide us through life. What did the progressive movements do? They wanted to make life malleable and ignore the natural way of things. Well, who would have thought that ignoring Nature is going to bite you in the behind?
Funny 'cos I never had any pictures of women on my wall as a teen, I was into my rock and metal and my wall was covered in pictures of long-haired nutters with guitars, lots of macho posing with socks stuffed down the front of their jeans! ha ha!! No denying their very good looking women but I never worshipped good looking women. I did struggle for a while in my late teens, I thought I might be gay as good looking women didn't do anything for me. I was a heavy metal fan and a computer nerd, I just wasn't interested in girls as they'd always laughed at me or ignored me. It was only when a girl finally asked me to go out with her , we did and I fell head-over-heels in love with her, then I knew I wasn't gay. We're still together 35 years later, she was a fairly normal "plain Jane" looking girl but she had this "pinball-on-a-win" smile that would make me just melt. To this day my wife is still beautiful to me, I still love her and still no interest in famous beautiful women. I guess some of we men are just wired differrently.
Some women do age gracefully, Heather Graham and Twiggy are 2 good examples of women who still looked great into their 50s. Gotta be honest, some white foundation, green eye shadow and green lippy and Madonna is the next Joker.
Thanks for all your work this year (and previous) Carl. I’m laid up with a slipped disk so you are keeping me company even on Boxing Day. You are a star ⭐️
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Pamela Anderson looks human and not like a freaking alien
She looks good tbh.
I see her at the store a couple times a month. She looks great for her age.
Hold up after a fast search, according to Sargon thumbnail, the left is Pamela and the right is Madonna
she looks good, like most mums everywhere, but the prettiest of the mums. We also have to forgive beautiful women for getting old, some men wont do that.
@@backintimealwyn5736 That's because those men were spurred by those women when they were young. Turnaround is fairplay.
What's crazy is that Madonna now looks like a bad guy from Dick Tracy.
THATS IT! it had been bugging me for years. Cheers
@oz_jones I watched that movie yesterday for the first time in 30 years and laughed when I realized that lol.
Pillow Face would be the characters name.
She looks like Jigsaw from the Saw franchise.
Oh my goodness...
2020s Madonna looks like 1990s Marilyn Manson.
Manson looked way better
gawd, i cant unsee that.
She looks like the Jigsaw doll without the make-up.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She could be my sugar momma
Mickey Rourke gave Madonna his surgeons number
Underrated comment
Pam has aged into loving her life, Madonna hasn't.
Funny but Pamela adores Madonna... SHE was at the Celebration Tour in Canada in the stage with her during Vogue ... lol 😂😂😂
Excellent notion!
The two of them combined have run through several thousand kilometers of D though.
Madonna is like 67 yr old and tons of makeup and loads of plastic surgery. Pam Anderson graced Playboy Mag several times, and Pam is 57 yr old and embraces aging gracefully.
@@deannasalem145 u forgot her R rated movie pam & Tommy... Hated bye conservatives ... But I guess conservatives hate make up only... Lol... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I remember in Truth Or Dare where Madonna used to poke fun of women who surgically augmented their breasts with surgery. She bragged about being 'natural'. Those days are long gone.
I never thought she was attractive. The young, trashy Madonna was just off putting.
I'm not much younger than Madonna and always thought she was going to be one of those kick ass women that aged gracefully because she built power and was secure enough that she didn't need to cave to the pressure to look young in her older years. I never would have thought she was going to be the weak one and Pamela Anderson would be the one to embrace her age and natural look.
I've brought that up several times, and no one seems to remember when Madonna said, in her ridiculously embarrassing baby voice... "we don't like fake body parts". Now she has to be careful when she sits on her fake butt, because she got butt implants, not a fat transfer (because she didn't have any fat to put in her butt), and butt implants can slide around, and move the hips.
@@mortimerbrewster3671 Agreed. This one has taken a strange turn.
She made fun of anyone who had any plastic surgery. She is a walking irony.
Jigsaw v Pamela Anderson.
I love it!
Jigsaw! That's it! That's exactly what she looks like.... now we just have to maker say "Do you want to play a game?" somehow and it's perfect.
You're thinking of Jigsaw's little tricycle-riding puppet, Billy.
Literally just replied this to someone
Brutal.... 😂
Madonna appearance reflects her personality.
She is a Monster
She’s nuts!
Bloated?
The self portrait of Dorian Gray.
Plastic and fake?
I'm 58. I can tell you, as a woman who received lots of attention when I was younger, I honestly don't miss it. The attention I receive now is more genuine, less superficial.
Subscribed. I am always looking for new foods to try (and it shows, lol).
@@oz_jones thank you 😊
Men age like Brandy or fine wine , Women age like Milk
@@MerlinTheGreat-op3lz Some men do, most men look like shit after 50.
Yes. As a man, old now but not always, I always like to see the woman in the book, not the glossy picture on the cover. I'm not going to lie and say that the cover didn't turn my head, but it's totally fleeting. My late wife grew more beautiful as she aged. But of course I was biased.
Madonna looks frightening.
….and very odd!
She looks like the Billy puppet from Saw
😱 😨 😱
enough to make small children cry
It's very sad she did this herself 😢
Here in the Netherlands. Young women are starting botox and lip fillers at age 18... crazy ish...
Fools and their money are easily departed...
it is making them look like they are in their 40s and 50s. Which they are astonished to hear
It's all over in the US, too. The Kardashians are a plague. They are hideous now and fool young women into thinking they are beautiful.
Our country is going down 😂
They have been using that in the UK for ages….they all look the same. The Kardashians have ruined an entire generation of young women
It’s struck me how lovely women like Monica Belluci, Emmylou Harris, Jane Seymour, and Michelle Pfeiffer are. Their faces have aged at the same rate all over, they kept their hair long, and seem very classy.
Jennifer Connelly has aged beautifully too. Pfiffer and Anderson have had some work done on their faces but they didn’t OD on fillers. Fillers are the main problem here.
Monica Belluci has aged incredibly well. I saw her in the Beetlejuice reboot recently and then was shocked to discover that she's actually 60 years old! She looks far better than many 40 year old women.
I thought Bellucci would get bonus points by being Italian or Southern European.
It's called being a 10/10 out of the gate, then taking -extremely- good care of themselves. Diet, exercise, not doing copious amounts of cocaine and alcohol/smoking, not living incredibly stressful lives, not tanning themselves into oblivion. And not being evil. I swear Amber Heard went from a 10 to a 4 in the span of 5 years from coke, booze and pure insane malice.
Older women are invisible the way some men are all their lives.
Oh no will somebody please think of the poor men? 🎻
@@typegirlcool You sound single af
Not to me.
Older Ladies, Older ladies
Making me shake
Like I've got rabies.
@@typegirlcool🤣
@@typegirlcoolno one is, and no one is asking you to
At 65 I consider invisibility a gift. I am very visible to those I am close to.
My take too. Best of both worlds.
I'm 42 with 3 teens, 2 of which are now towering over me, and I feel like I'm in the exact place I should be. They keep me young, alive and striving inside - the outside is irrelevant. Reject vanity embrace family 👌🏻
Unfortunately young women are told to become girl bosses who compete with men. Its really insidious.
~The Botox really shows which women depend on male attention to survive and cannot let go
This is all true - I'm a 59 yo woman. I was a very good looking young woman and I absolutely used that to my advantage. Unfortunately I was unable to have children myself, but my husbands grandchildren are like my own as I have been around their entire lives. I did go through a period of time when I realised I wasn't going to get the male attention and I DID for a while, feel invisible. But I was incredibly lucky to grow up with parents that didn't sugar coat stuff like this and I was never under the illusion that youth lasts. I have done nothing - no fillers/botox/surgery and 4 years ago I decided to grow out my hair and stop dyeing it. How liberating! I still wear a bit of makeup like mascara and look after myself - but I am so very grateful to be healthy and alive and happy and I am enjoying being my age - except for that noise I have to make when I get up off the sofa or have to get up off the floor haha.
That’s great. Age with grace. Your will never be happy defining yourself by looks, money or status.
no one asked
Thank you for sharing. I'm sad to hear that you didn't have a family of your own. In a few years I'll be 40 and as an average man I might end up the same way, but lonelier.
@@mdigibou4614 So why are you even reading at all?
@arnoldziffel4943 i didnt, nerd. i saw "read more" and commented that no one cares because real men are talking. women should be listening and not yapping histrionically about themselves
The opening sequence of “Bay Watch” used to be one of the highlights of my week. 😆
Jiggle physics before 3d games if I recall correctly.
'The Hoff' never looked better. Until he brought down the Berlin Wall with his leather jacket, cowboy boots, and mullet.
Erika Eleniak. 😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️
@ yeah, baby!
Jiggle physics in the 90s
Madonna looks like Gollum's sister in that photo
Gollum at least is useful for catching fish
I was thinking it but didn't want to say it😂
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 And during the lockdowns Madonna was in her bathroom, singing about fried fish.
Gollum has a sister?
Poor Gollum.
I like Pamela, she has matured beautifully from the inside out.
Madonna on the otherhand is a complete mess 🤮
She always has been a mess. I've always liked Pamela Anderson.
She seemed sweet.
One thing that i don't like about Pamela Anderson is that she is a PETA activist.
@@joaopedrobaggio4475 She seems decent to me especially as she's got older. What does PETA means?
@@Michelle-uh7qi PETA is an animal rights group, that also incites terrorist acts, go to Google and make a research.
@@joaopedrobaggio4475 oh my... is that the WORST she's done? In the current year it's like absolutely nothing at all.
It physically hurts watching Erin Moriarty speed run this
I don't know who that is, but I can imagine exactly what you mean
@@HonestBottom she pays Starlight in The Boys. Absolutely beautiful woman but is hammering the surgery and it’s damaged her looks nowadays big time.
Google Starlight from The Boys or even just Erin Moriarty.
She was a natural beauty and now she looks like a freak. She was like in her late twenties when she did it, too. What the heck?!
Erin is turning into a plastic monster faster than anybody that I saw in my life. Sad.
As a man in my 50's. I am still attracted to older woman if they show dignity and grace. Often it is not to do with looks when you get older it is to do with character and a certain Je ne sais quoi.
Theres a lot of 50 something women that look great just not doing good mentally especially if they have been never married or recently divorced
@@patientmental875 thats true. I know one who is struggling a lot at 55. As for me, i still have a high sex drive at 46 but women my age rarely have sex appeal so it feels that part of my life is over because young women are shallow and indoctrinated..
‘Grace’ - a very attractive feminine quality at any age.
And what makes you think you are attractive to women at 50?
@@barbaraibiel Speaking for myself (mid 50’s), my wealth.
When men age, they look like Sean Connery. When women age, they look like Sean Connery
Lmao.
😂😂😂
That’s 3 letters from me = LOL
All roads lead to Sean Connery
Madonna's face looks both shaken and stirred.
Anderson has developed a level of class. yet another thing I NEVER thought I would say...
Roseanne did too.
Same, we're clearly in a weird time.
She’s always been intelligent and emotionally mature for her age. She just never had a chance to show herself beyond her looks and her messy relationships. She was definitely a victim of Hollywood typecasting
The idea of men and women having higher status at different stages of their lives is explored interestingly in The Witcher books. In them magic users are able to freeze their aging at any given point. It is something of a rule that Sorceresses will do this mid to late twenties to claim the absolute bombshell look (I think Triss is the only one who is as old as she looks, Yennefer is actually about 100 years old in Witcher 3) whereas Sorcerers will do this late forties to early fifties to claim the dignified elder statesman look.
I am a 54 yr old woman, loving how I am aging naturally. Part of nature/life. Don’t fight it, embrace it!
My teenage daughter has acne but won't wear make-up. I applaud her for that. I told her both me and her nan had acne but look younger in our old age because of it.
@@stevestannard6004 Agree. Covering things up only will make the end result worse. I have only worn liner and mascara. Never anything on my skin.
as if you at your age have a choice anything but to accept your decline the last 2 decades
@@spiritofalaskaI invite you all to amuse yourselves by looking at the comments left by this person I tagged
As a bloke I started going grey in my late teens and at 40 my hair is now basically white. But as long as I still have a full head of hair, you will not hear me complaning.
the witcher irl
Fancy some Gwent?
Winds howling
Of course you won't complain, you're not a woman, you're not judged on your looks.
I started losing my hair in my late 20's. It never affected my abilities with the opposite sex, I luckily have the face shape and structure to carry it off. I'm now very close to 60, facial hair is white, I have eye lines, but in the Grand scheme of things......I couldn't give a damn.
Acceptance for things you can't control is one of the best lessons I have learned in life. A lot of the negative aspects of aging can be mitigated by taking good care of yourself (sleep, diet, exercise etc)
let´s be honest after 27 it´s really downhill for women. no matter how much you take care opf yourself. you can never compete with a 22 year old. never
Never had those two on my wall. Jennifer Connelly however...
"YOU have no power over me..." - Me as a teenager lying to Sarah... in my dreams....
@@AndrewFishman Academic Agent did a video about that film. One that's very good.
@@arnawawidagda7860 I will take a look. Thank you.
Sad to have any poster on the wall at all of a young celebrity ever. Never thought about it because I was a well rounded person. Something creepy about a persons view on sexuality.
@@Vile_Entity_3545 "Because I was a narcissist and thought I was superior so never had any fun..." Translated for ya.
“You’re having things taken away from you by nature itself.” Beautifully put. Nature giveth, nature taketh away. Circle of life, etc. And without death, there could be no new life. It’s necessary.
Madonna was average looking at best at her best.
Susanna Hoffs was my pinup girl. No woman is aging better than her.
She's phenomenal. Absolutely prefect.
A man of culture
There is an old buddhist poem which loosely translated reads;
Yes , I am going bald,
But look and see how the beard
of my grandson grows
Carl is 100% correct in this
Madonna looks like Pete Burns 😂
I walked passed Pete Burns in soho about a year before he died, I didnt notice him, my other half bought it to my attention, still not sure how I managed it, must have been pissed.
Or Monty Burns.
Women's lives were supposed to have trajectory, by the time you lose the general societal interest in your looks, you're supposed to be a mother and possibly grandmother and the importance of your life is cemented in a matriarchal role which is infinitely more fulfulling than being forever 21.
Bingo, finally someone who gets to the essence of it
And men are supposed to die in wars.
Yep. The Maiden, the Mother, and then the Matriarch (or Crone, to use the less flattering term)
Is it though?
never considered Madonna as beautiful
Always looked trashy to me
Me either! Not at all.
They used to call Madana Macdonald's because her legs stayed open like golden arches . Over a billion served.
Nah she was back in the early to mid 80s. She was a classic beauty like a movie star from the 50s
@StrayCatInTheStreets You are lie !
I think Pamela Anderson looks lovely for her age. She looks great without or that makeup. Madonna... yikes!
no pamela looks mutated. as most women after they hit the wall
As a man, the loneliness we feel is just our lot in life.
To get attention and happiness, it's something we must earn. If we do nothing to earn our happiness, we will not be happy.
Do not fear age, do not fear death.
Âr-pharazon was tempted to fear death by Sauron and drawn to bring Númenor to invade Valinor, destroying Númenor entirely.
King Théoden knew his time was up and prepared to charge to battle on the Pelenor fields, and before he charged with the Rohirrim, he let out the battle cry "Death! Death!! Death!!!"
And when he was crushed under his fallen horse in battle, he spoke his final words "Now I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company, I now no longer need feel shame."
Be Théoden, don't be Âr-Pharazon
Theoden struggled with feelings of inadequacy for most of his life, believing that he was a disappointment to his ancestors. And yet when the time came and everything was on the line he rose to the occasion to save his people, and was able to meet his death with dignity.
I like that analogy. Theoden was the kind of man that modern society no longer looks up to, and to our own detriment.
Watch the movie *"The Substance";* a fantastic body-horror flick of what will proverbially happen if one refuses to age with grace like Madonna has
Pam Anderson got hepatitis from a tattoo and was facing early death before she became one of the first successful recipients of a cure for the disease. Surviving something like that probably gave her a more mature appreciation for life and living.
Women are not 'invisible' as they get older. They become, in our minds, grandmothers. Men don't date their grandmother, so why would they date an elderly woman? They're supposed to be cherished and protected as mothers and grandmothers raising children, even when they're not. It's inherent respect. Unconscious respect.
Well it depends on your age. I'm 63 so do not delude myself any woman in her 20s or 30s would consider me as anything more than a bipedal credit card. The problem is, after so many years of Feminist brain washing, even the over-45s are not date-able anymore. As for respect, I'd rather not say what I think about them because the YT AI will surely delete it😖
Aging gracefully is not a mindset found often in our hyper narcissistic culture. Once beautiful women will rather bog themselves, trying to maintain their youthfull appeal, but in the process 99/100 age faster and end up looking like circus freaks.
Love that "bog" became a verb.
I agree. This was an interesting video.
That’s the way I’m going to describe gen z women who go for the lip fillers and botox “Bogged” 😁
Rothchilds fear the Bogdanoff
Meg Ryan is another example of not aging gracefully. She was the Queen of the Rom-Com. She was attractive and funny and the kind of person/character that audiences could identify with or aspire to be. Since then, she has had so many botched plastic surgeries, she does not look like herself anymore.
Kenny Rogers is another example of not aging gracefully. While I wouldn't say he was gorgeous, but he had a very recognizable "look" and a voice like butter. At some point, he got too many plastic surgeries, and he no longer looked like himself.
If you want to know the future of the Gen Zed woman, you're looking at it. Sorry ladies, you just aren't the woman your grandma was.
Thank god for that.Unlike our grandmas we are free to live our lives however we want to.
@@typegirlcool Sl uttery wasn't the norm back then, it was shunned and shameful, unlike today when women cannot even recognize what they've become.
@@typegirlcoolfor now, I'm not going to prop up the system that enables you.
An more men are having the same Idea.
And you've wrecked our society. @@typegirlcool
@@typegirlcoolYeah good luck with that lol 😁
As an old man its easy not to be lonely. My massive pile of shame keeps me company.
Oof. I felt that
i got a 3d printer, my pile of shame is now an olympus mons of shame
48 years old, soon to be 49, no kids no wife, no real financial success. sliding right down behind you. Don't think I'm getting off this track, except for death. Just trying to foster some wisdom and equanimity in the remaining years of my life.
A couple of things. Being alone and being lonely are not the same. Personally, I enjoy the peace and quiet that comes from not having someone constantly and pointlessly jabbering away or creating drama and problems because they are bored. Look around at older men who are in a couple. It is rare to see one who looks anything better than dejected. Most downright miserable. I feel sorry for them that they have some dried up, empty egg box using them as an emotion tampon to dump all their frustrations on.
Also, everybody can think of things that they should or shouldn't have said or done at some point in the past. EVERYBODY. But please remember this. Every experience we have (no matter how small or mundane) changes us to a greater or lesser degree. Even the smallest of these changes add up over time to produce someone who is different to before - whether it be years or days ago. The mistake we often make is to look back at something dumb we did and see us, as we are now, making that mistake rather than a less experienced version derping through life. You are a different person now from the one who screwed up. This, however, does not absolve us of our feelings of guilt or shame, but they are there to help us learn from those mistakes - to try not to repeat them and become better for it.
@@bugletooth My heart gos out to you brother Im 10 years older than you felt like that when I was 40 I decided to take a look at myself what I was doing why am I here in this place? I wrote down a list of all the things I was doing that needed to change and got down to crossing them off the list I did not aspire to being rich just to have something to say Ive achieved something, I stopped drinking every day started exsercising more and went back to college(will be going back to learn how to spell though) Went on a dating site met a lot of different women until I thought this is fun but not going to find the right women here so went to shut that down only to meet my wife on the very last message I looked at who was a Chinese women my age we have 2 great kids now and a reasonably happy life so please dont give up work on yourself the rest will follow Get Jordan peterson on your play list it will help I promise,Best wishs Steve
The conclusion is completely correct. If you do it right as a woman, you don’t become invisible at all. You become a mother, a matron and then a matriarch. Rather than being invisible you are the center of your children’s world and a rock for your husband. As I move into my forties as a married mother of four I am quite happy with the transition- I don’t need or want the attention of random men on the street, I don’t need any validation from the outside world on something as simple as my looks, because I’m happy to have the accomplishments of building my family and the relationship with my husband. I am happy to be a respectable wife and mother. I don’t want to still be treated as a silly young girl or a simple object of attraction for men I don’t even know or care for. Now when I work out and keep up my appearance I do so for the sake of my own health and my marriage. Accept the stages of life you move into, each is wonderful and meaningful. There is so much more to a woman’s life than just looking hot and youthful.
Amen
Amen!
So true but remember 40 is still young ! I’m 72
So far. Every woman says the same stuff before they bail.
As a 25 year old married woman, my only desire is to be attractive to my husband! So much better than worrying about being attractive to men in general prior to getting married...
Madonna makes even a rubber faced bloke like Mick Jagger look like Chris Hemsworth 🤦
You look like General Zod right now - when you go bald, you'll look like Lex Luthor. You CANT lose!
Even the way Madonna dresses, it's like she thinks she's back in the 80's.
Pre-surgeries Pam was so beautiful. I never liked her all plasticed up. Now, I think she looks beautiful again. I'm glad she's going the Helen Mirren route.
Poor Madonna. I mostly feel bad for her. Whatever is going on in her head, I doubt it can be that much fun.
Pamela is still beautiful and natural.
I agree with you. She is still model material but for a different demographic and age range. She is not making money being a model for men but can make money by showing other women how to age gracefully.
I don't know if this is a re-upload, but the last time Carl Benjamin analysed Madonna's looks was pretty funny ...One of my favourite moments
People need to realise that everyone gets older you can't be 30 forever
Unless your from a certain clan lol
And it is fine to become older, it's going against nature if you don't accept it, and realise the amount of people who never get to grow old.
As my aching joints and old injuries can attest to.
The reason I’m so keen on getting married and having kids is that I don’t want to have to worry about this when I’m their age. Of course I still want to look good for my husband but I don’t want to have to compete in a dating market for people with baggage. I just want to be playing with my grandkids at their age.
Translation= "get fat".
Madonna looks like Jigsaw now 😆
I knew there was something she reminded me of.
Growing old is never easy, no matter how you try to sugar coat it. In my youth, I couldnt walk down a street without getting cat calls, whistles, smiles and glances from men. I am now 69 years old and I do not really miss all that attention, however, I DO miss my beauty and youth. I also miss the level of energy I had years ago. I am a wife, mother and grandmother and while I love my family and enjoy being a part of their lives, I wish I could regain some of my youth.
One of the most beautiful woman I have ever met was an 84yr old. She was absolute class. Even the lines on her face were perfect. It's not just the visual.Beauty also comes from the the person you are. I still think about her
❤
I call bs on that
@@baraka629 no bull man this woman had absolute class she'd been a member of the Raj in India everything about her was just perfect. Her clothes her hair her jewelry. Age doesn't determine beauty look at any classical art work.
Either directly or indirectly, Hollywood has destroyed so many.
They aren’t victims. Everyone makes choices.
I used to have a picture up on the gate. 'Beware of the dogs.' I've a Bully XL, 2 Dobermans and a Canis Panther. People still called. I replaced that last year with a picture of Madonna. Nobody calls at my door anymore.
why do you own dangerous unstable dogs?
I am a lady of 63 and was attractive in my younger days... today I just don't care for a man and I am very happy on my own living a very peaceful life.
Attractive says who
Men are MGTOW these days anyways
Precisely the problem.
Your peaceful life is the product of mens sacrifice, and when men hear women don't care, why should they continue to pay the price?
Same here! 🙏
@@RichardCheese-o2m Give over. Women aren't falling for that negging BS any more.
Michelle Pffifer aged gracefully too.
She was one of my first “crushes” when I was a very young man. Very attractive women, and she has aged gracefully
you mean ELVIRA?
100%- She is still gorgeous.
But her womb is so polluted!
Cate blanchett as well
Aging gracefully is truly beautiful, very rare these days.
Pamela is still very beutifull she has a grace to her now
'Escape From L.A.' comes to mind, when looking at Madonna.
Exactly pal 👍
There is nothing wrong with trying to retain looks, but they just go too far. The doctors just see £ signs, and having no true friends to tell you to just stop.
Take note: Only Fans girls.
By the time they are old they've made enough to retire.
If they want to be seen, start a family, not a career.
Madonna has 6 children and Pamela has 2
Yes
We can do both
@@typegirlcoolhalfway
@@typegirlcoolKeep telling yourself that, I'm sure no other has ever done so.
The difference is the gratitude for the life God has given them.
Also, it’s worth noting many celebrities opt for the sort of surreal, slightly grotesque vaudeville route i.e. Joan Crawford, Mae West, and then on down to Cher, Dolly Parton, now Madonna. It’s as though they know if they sort of self-immortalise, or mummify their image that’s how they’ll be remembered forever. I think Beyoncé will go that way, Adele also gives me this vibe. You could say they walk around wearing their death masks.
The Wall is undefeated
I dunno man Pamela is looking alright
@@perikleshistory Caroline Flint does it for me. Some men have a queer eye for queer folk. Me? I've got a mucky eye for a mucky gal
@@perikleshistory no thanks. the wall remains defeated.
Oh grow up
@@singlikeyoumeanit3261 coping and seething.
Pamela, age 58 or 59 looks just fine ... no make up and still looks good but Madonna on the other side ...ohhh boy ... Madonna was really attractive woman without having done anything but After all this awful surgery ?! Dont know why woman and Girls think surgery or trillions of make up does them any favor is beyond me !? Nothing more beautiful than a woman smiling at you when she just wakes up without having put on any make up !!!
Pamela is 57. Madonna 66
@janeslater8004 ah okay ... 56 years old, no make up and looks more then just okay and Madonna was not only hot in her youth she was really beautiful when she was gettin a bit older, at her 40's she was gettin rid of her ,, old Image " and was just a good lookin woman ...
Carl's hairline is strong.
I think there is a slight loophole around this for older women. If you dress up respectably and put together, ideally wearing dresses and skirts, people will notice. It may be other women that come up and give you compliments, but I notice men looking too. I think men are afraid that a compliment will be perceived the wrong way in this day and age. But at least in my area, no one dresses up to go out anymore, so it is very noticeable when someone does.
Seems like madonna never learned class, which is timeless.
Absolutely 💯
I often think about heavy metal band members from the 80s..their hair was their identity i bet its not easy to lose that as you get older
It's not.
The 80s metal dudes took damn good care of their hair too. They took more pride in their hair than most women do. No joke lol
I'm pretty sure they are very rich and happy.
As a guy who at 34 is pretty bald… if you start losing hair, don’t fight it man! There is nothing worse than growing your thinning hair out and combing it over, or even worse trying to color your hair with product to fill it out. I promise it will look better every single time if you just cut it real short or shave it completely. I won’t lie to you though, it is really cold being bald haha
Blame the women for that one, I've shaved my head since I was 13, always prefered it that way, it was women who obsessed over my hair, now at 38, I'm losing it and I don't care, but once again women are the ones who make a big deal out of it, it's weird.
The cold makes you harder 🙂
Do you get less attention from women now compared to before?
I agree. My husband does a buzzcut and I love it! It looks really neat and I love rubbing his head and sniffing it!
Well, I’ve been married almost 10 years, and started balding like 5 year ago, but my wife says she likes me better bald. Haha. So I’m not super helpful on whether shaving your head gets more female attention
Pamela Anderson is a good lady
She married and divorced too many times.
Madonna looks like the woman on the poster art for Brazil.
Other than the "eyebrows", Anderson looks fine as a makeup-free older woman.
Wouldn't take her more than 5 minutes to do her brows and add a little color to her face. She looks really washed out on camera. I think shes doing this for attention. It's attention from women, but it's still attention.
There's a moment in that interview with current day Pamela where she let out a proper smile, not just the fake "the cameras are watching smile" but one from the heart, and that youthful beauty shone through. She did look quite lovely.
I doubt Madonna can manage a true smile with a face like that.
So ladies, the moral is after 50 dont wear a bit of lippy or try to improve your self-confidence because Carl thinks its "sad". This is bonkers on so many levels. Firstly, men do not grow up "lonely" because I know men have some very tightly knit and deep friendship groups, such as football clubs, sports, and other manly pursuits. Mens groups are as strong as female ones. It is also not true that average looking guys are not looked at, because I dated most of them. Young men dont wander around not being looked at, because I was a girl once and I can assure you that all girls DO is look at boys in their school or university. Carl's example are at the extremes, Madonna has exaggerated with the plastic surgery, but I can also assure him that women over 50 dont go moping around moaning about being "invisible", over a certain age most women dont give a toss what people think of them, they are happy in their own skins, confident and are wearing makeup when they feel like it. ffs this kind of analysis is so narrow and limiting.
Look at Pamela Anderson. Look at Tommy Lee's current wife. 20 or more years younger than him.
Agreed so sick of the older woman bashing!! Older women are all unattractive,lonely and washed up, the message he keeps pushing is well you are older now just accept you WILL be ALONE for the rest of your life!!! 🥱🥱🥱
You sound like your prozac is wearing thin. Better up the dose.
to quote Bill Burr "what would you rather be - 52 that looks 52 or 52 and look like 28 year old lizard"
I think these surgeons are all corrupt and should be sued for turning Madonna into that
This goes back to that 80’s supermodel who was married to the lead singer of the Cars a couple of years ago. I can’t remember her name now but she was going around the internet having interviews about how men her age walk past her towards younger women. She wanted the sisterhood to tell older men to stop talking to younger ones and focus on women their age. Of course, she benefited from that dynamic at the time when she was younger and married a guy almost two decades her senior.
Paulina Porizkova. I saw one of her old movies last night. She looks terrible now without makeup. Too much sun, I'm guessing.
I’ve always maintained that you can’t gild a deadly nightshade 😁
As an attractive woman whos very close to 40, Im always grateful for compliments I get on my looks, skin & what people think my age actually is. Though I have suffered much in my life I have always tried to react with dignity & grace & stay as positive as possible. I think there is something deep to be said about those who try to lessen the suffering of the world around them... and those who do not. It is no secret that Madonna is a Satanist, her strange clothing, her choices in life, the symbolism she surrounds herself with & most importantly her own explanation of her music and what it means to her; sex, drugs and fallen angels. Im no Christian but I know a poisoned heart when I see one & in my experience every time someone surrounds themselves with "true witchcraft" they eventually become gross, vain & vindictive people. Ageing with grace is a choice, I 100% agree, but allowing evil thoughts into your mind daily will age you rapidly too. My point is while I completely agree with you Sargon, I believe there is a spiritual element outside of genetics & personal choices to life that is so often missed. As they say - "Ugly on the inside, ugly on the outside". Much love friend, Merry Christmas(or Yule), Happy New Year! :)
I also wanted to add on a separate reply that Men gain status as they age and Women gain wisdom as they age. Obviously both are not exclusive to men/women alone so let me give you an example with one word; Matron. If done right, a woman who ages properly with wisdom, dignity & control she will be a force to be reckoned with & one who can guide whole communities for the better. There is a reason why elders of both sexes are sought after for advice & council but I would argue that the power of a Matron is very different than that of a Patron. Ive started to turn my mind to what that looks like for me as I am a little over a year away from 40, being mindful of this fact has made ageing seem so much less scary & so much more important & like a necessary stage of life.
Excellent comments. Thank you.
Madonna still owes me £60.
And me.
Her surgeon has that.
did she cancel a gig or something?
She owes me a scotch egg
The problem is Madonna isn’t coping with aging at all. That’s why she’s turned herself into an alien. Pamela looks great.
Edit: I’m 60 and I wear no makeup unless it’s a special occasion like a wedding. I stopped dyeing my hair in n 2019 because I got tired of hiding them every few weeks. My husband met me as a very natural young woman and apparently I “look the same” as in 1986 😂
I don’t but I love him for it 😊
I don’t know any boy who had Madonna on his bedroom wall 😂
Bikini Pam, at a stretch.
We had rock bands posters and horror movie posters. Not girly, goofy pop stars.😅
You can preserve flowers in the pages of a book, not to defy time but in remembrance of their moment. None escape the end of their season.
Pam still looks a million bucks.
Very well put Sargon!
I really like your pace and clarity when you speak.
It's almost that the archetypes are there to guide us through life.
What did the progressive movements do? They wanted to make life malleable and ignore the natural way of things.
Well, who would have thought that ignoring Nature is going to bite you in the behind?
look at Dame Helen Mirren and Judy Dench. What amazing women who are strong in character first and the looks second.
Helen Mirren is incredible. She understood sexiness was way more faceted than looks.
My mom is only a little older than Madonna. She has 14 grandchildren and 1 great-grandson. She does not feel invisible.
Funny 'cos I never had any pictures of women on my wall as a teen, I was into my rock and metal and my wall was covered in pictures of long-haired nutters with guitars, lots of macho posing with socks stuffed down the front of their jeans! ha ha!!
No denying their very good looking women but I never worshipped good looking women. I did struggle for a while in my late teens, I thought I might be gay as good looking women didn't do anything for me. I was a heavy metal fan and a computer nerd, I just wasn't interested in girls as they'd always laughed at me or ignored me. It was only when a girl finally asked me to go out with her , we did and I fell head-over-heels in love with her, then I knew I wasn't gay. We're still together 35 years later, she was a fairly normal "plain Jane" looking girl but she had this "pinball-on-a-win" smile that would make me just melt. To this day my wife is still beautiful to me, I still love her and still no interest in famous beautiful women. I guess some of we men are just wired differrently.
Not even a small picture of Lita Ford? 🤘
Neither did I, it was all band posters.
Carl, there is a saying, "only young men go bald" if you've hit 35-40 with most of your hair it's very unlikely to loose it, you'll go grey.
They do lose their hair, just more slowly.
Some women do age gracefully, Heather Graham and Twiggy are 2 good examples of women who still looked great into their 50s. Gotta be honest, some white foundation, green eye shadow and green lippy and Madonna is the next Joker.
One of those women still looks human.
Madonna now looks like Tarantino in Dusk till Dawn when he's turned.
Thanks for all your work this year (and previous) Carl. I’m laid up with a slipped disk so you are keeping me company even on Boxing Day. You are a star ⭐️
Pamela looking like my mum - which is kind of wholesome
Pamela is going old gracefully 👍
A graceful mummy.