One of the best (or the best) looking ship in War Thunder right now. With a little bit of love from the devs Dunkerque could actually be pretty competitive 👌 EDIT: Admiral_Bofors made an amazing report considering the AP shell community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/zunkeeXHtKTf I hope we'll get a positive change out of it Her sister ship Strasbourg with an extra 60mm on the belt, and an extra 30mm on the turret face would be even better. What should I play next?
If I may, when you fired the torpedoes I feel like doing dolphin 🐬 noises would have been perfect. Not trying to back seat edit, just fell it would have been too funny.
Calculation doesn't matter when shell is unorthodox. Even in the discussion it was clear consensus that shell can be easily classified as SAP or AP. It was meant to be universal shell so it falls between both shell classes. Yes Gaijin AP cap numbers were wrong, but changing them to 8-9.5% doesn't matter because it is still lower then normal AP cap weight. Player calculations also are not 1st hand source, so unless somebody can dig up source from French museum that states that these were AP then most likely they will stay as SAP.
No no. Gaijin loves the french as evidenced by how easy their nation is to play. What Gaijin DOESN'T like is being told they are wrong or something is broken OR LISTENING TO GOOD COMMUNITY IDEAS.
@@brentonherbert7775 France is easy to play ? bruh it's far from easy. Germany, USSR, USA and Sweden are easy. France is easier than Italy but it's far from easy.
@@first_arcadian Well duh if you only play nations that are borderline cheating no wonder you struggle with a nation that takes a crumb of skill to unlock its busted AF potential. France is just Britain with more armour and twice the fire rate.
Gaijin thinking. Those two words never matched. They also think that APHE round noses will magically stay intact under any condition after going through armor and destroy a tanks engine in the back after the shell fuzes reliable 100% of the time. They also think that APHE shells can just ignore the laws of physics.
@@DOLLARplays Yes. The two German sketch you showed is where they got their cap estimation from, if you see one has the BC on (what they thought was the ap cap) and the other doesn't. Both document also has the shell weight listed on the bottom right corner so you can subtract the weight of both shell and get the cap weight. When Bofors asked them where they got their estimations from, the mod showed the German sketches.
This must've taken some time to add in post but i love that rambling in the beginning. I wouldnt advocate it for every video, but maybe for vehicles that have similar issues that impact its gameplay in a negative way.
We are now waiting for HMS Nelson, but Gaijin being Gaijin we will probably get HMS Captain that sinks when you turn too hard, at BR 6.3, take it or leave it.
As a French myself, and having served in the French Navy for more than 15 years, I have some friends in the History service. Some of them might know the exact values of the shells of the Dunkerque. But nvm, Gayjin doesn't give a flying F about real values, when it comes to French stuff...
They were designed to fight against Deutschland class not Scharnhorst class. Also at the range that we fight in WT it doesn't even matter. When Yamato is added everyone is going to penetrate its main belt because we don't fight at ranges where these ships would normally fight.
Well it depends at what range. At 15km Dunkerque can bounce 280mm from Graf Spee without angling. That what Dunkerque was built for to fight. Scharnhorst 280mm is more powerful, I guess thats why they up-armoured Dunkerque sister ship Strasbourg
@@DOLLARplays I think you meant to write up armored and not unarmored. Actually it wasn't really counter to new Scharnhorst class that was build at same time, but more that shipyard "Ateliers et Chantiers de la Loire" was able to save some weight at certain points compare to her sistership and ship being build lot later meant that they learned stuff from her. In the end she did become heavier and slower, but not that much. In full load she was only 600t heavier then her sister. Up armoring was meant to help when facing new Italian Littorio-class ships, but I doubt that 60mm armor increase would have helped a lot against 380mm guns. These ships were fast battleships and not Battlecruisers like many like to think. They were meant to fight in line of battle with future Richelieu class against Italian fleet.
The bulkhead in the middle of the turret is in the game however as per the game mechanic the whole turret becomes inoperable when it gets hit. ie. The turret cannot rotate. So you are stuck with 2 functioning guns on a turret that you cannot rotate.
Knowing how Gayjin riggs their shitty scam of a game, you can be sure the whole thing gets destroyed just by you sneezing in front on your screen on a windy day...
I feel the problem right now with naval is that the parts you can damage are waaaay too big, shell rooms should have like 6 localized compartments with hp pools, he damages area etc
Shells were tested and found to be very difficult to detonate from external damage. This was known to I believe every major navy, and factored into design decisions. During the Iowa reactivation the Navy tested chain shell detonation and found it wasn’t possible to create the catastrophic ones found in game. Never more than a handful would detonate at once. Generally on ships where they are below the magazine it is to provide additional protection against sea mines. When they are above it is to allow vulnerable magazines to be deeper in the ship. I forget the exact reason for their placement in the barbette on American ships, but it may have been related to shell handling and reload procedures as the US on large ships tended towards using relatively more manpower than machine power compared to other navies. In any event it wasn’t an issue, if I recall correctly 14” shells from Arizona were recovered intact from spaces that had been above the detonated magazine.
WT naval fuse delay is an overlooked but very important value. For example, Soviet B-13's SAP is quite effective against small targets but not so much against bigger ones, even if the penetration should be more than enough. The reason may be because its super short delay (0.01s, ).
Naval fuzes are very cool because they are on a timer not hard coded like ground forces where shells will always detonate at a set distance, or how SD fuzes on aircraft will detonate at a set range instead of a timer. This means that the fuze delay distance is variable and changes depending on the shells velocity.
Sadly with Bravy, they’ll look at the players that still can’t hit even with mouse guided missiles and say that everything is fine, or that it even needs a buff
ill be real with you man, the missile is incredibly obnoxious to use/aim even against the intended target of air sometimes; but it really doesnt provide a lot for attacking other ships cuz of the proxy fuse, the one killing dollar in this vid is a fluke rather than normal performance since the missile managed to explode over the turrets and splash down on the ammo below them
The worst thing is because of dunkerque shell are SAP according to gaijin, they want to reclassified 305/340 from french top tier to SAP from AP So reduce their pénétration and nerf the whole top tier
Never existed? sure, they never finished it, but Armor values are known so there's only one scenario, and the guns for both Kronstadt and Izmail were built, Kronstadt got other turrets because the russians didn't manage to built triple turrets for the gun, but the gun itself existed and penetration Valued were known, the 305mm gun that was planned for Project 69 could pen 350mm at 15km and 30degree angle. Izmail guns could pen around 320mm at 15km and 30 degree angle. So i wouldn't say they did go best scenario.
@@sturmovik_80 Kronshtadt dont even should have that fanfic 305mm guns. The Sovieta bought from germany 6 38cm guns, the same guns as bismarck, on the same C/34 twim turrets, to equip Kronshtadt. I don't know why it's not in the game even knowing that cause of that soviet dificulty to build an decent turret for his 305mm guns they bought german turrets
@@sturmovik_80 but the problem is that. Planned. There are a lot of people that mention that they weren't abble to create that triple mount, also as I said, the soviets did bought 3 of the 38cm guns on twin mounts, same turrets as Bismarck class. If completed, it's more probably that Kronshtadt wouls have these 380mm guns not the 305mm guns
Dollar is infact correct. The French Quad turrets had a thick septum right in the middle of the turret, this kept atleast 2 guns in battle should ammo cook off in the turret.
everytime I see this beauty I just wanna call it dun-ker-kwe. either way, this ship is the entire reason I started grinding french naval tree when it came out. hope they make the guns a bit less... shite, for lack of a better term. Lovely video as always dollar!
I really love this ship. Reminds me of a ship the MC of a Sci-fi would use to out gun pray, but out run any danger. While having great range and maneuverability. And with the scout plane. You could really pull off some tactical shenanigans.
If it was a Russian vehicle they would have taken best case scenario without any hesitation, but if it's French, British, or Italian it must be worse. It's one of the things that really puts me off Warthunder.
@@o-hogameplay185 The lancia, really? you mean the truck with wooden armour and an appalling reload which noone uses... I've been playing a British 7.7 line up for the last month and it's been nothing but hell, the APDS can't penetrate anything and does no post pen damage. Sometimes the round does nothing, since they have introduced the hit replays ive got a conqueror with it's 120mm APDS hitting the front of a marder III H from 3.0 and doing nothing, that right nothing, no deflection no shell shatter and no ghost shell, it hits and just does no damage... The only magic is the Russian ballistic caps that make their rounds perform right angle turns when they hit the armour, i mean that's the only way they would penetrate some of the angles they do. The APDS or fake APFSDS as you say is so broken and unreliable that most of the time it just doesn't work. Take shell shatter for example, ok the shell has shattered but what happened to the pieces??? They are still moving forward at 1400m/s they don't just disappear or magically deflect, check out one of the many simulation channels on RUclips and you will see i'm right. The rounds often break a part and the pieces still push through the armour, the round doesn't just disappear.
@@commanderdon4300 omg the amount of skill issue on your end is immeasurable. "The lancia, really? you mean the truck with wooden armour and an appalling reload which noone uses..." does not matter if nobody uses it "I've been playing a British 7.7 line up for the last month and it's been nothing but hell, the APDS can't penetrate anything and does no post pen damage. Sometimes the round does nothing, since they have introduced the hit replays ive got a conqueror with it's 120mm APDS hitting the front of a marder III H from 3.0 and doing nothing, that right nothing, no deflection no shell shatter and no ghost shell, it hits and just does no damage..." because all those (17pdr, 83mm, 120mm on the Conq) are gen 1 APDS that are made from T. carbide. it does little damage, has horrible angle pen, xshatters a lot. when you get the Vickers Mk1 and Cent Mk 10, then you will get the actually good ones since they use gen 2 APDS, which is extremely good "The only magic is the Russian ballistic caps that make their rounds perform right angle turns when they hit the armour, i mean that's the only way they would penetrate some of the angles they do." those are flat nose shells and thus they have increased effect against angled armor. also please show me one of those "right angle turns" "Take shell shatter for example, ok the shell has shattered but what happened to the pieces??? They are still moving forward at 1400m/s they don't just disappear or magically deflect, check out one of the many simulation channels on RUclips and you will see i'm right. The rounds often break a part and the pieces still push through the armour, the round doesn't just disappear." i know all of these. they are not modelled. if the shell shatters it disappears. *same happens with soviet APDS* so just because you have skill issue it does not mean bias.
When you think you're going to be DCed from a game, if you Alt-F4 fast enough and start the game back up it'll ask if you want to be put back in the same match, and if you haven't died yet you'll stay in your current vehicle.
akshually, those quad gun turrets are more like 2x2 gun turrets welded together with, I believe, a very thick wall between both pair of guns, so what they should also model somehow is a possibility of losing only one side of the turret but not the other one, when they take side shots for exemple.
Hey bro you are one of my favorites RUclipsrs of all time and I truly love your videos and you have inspired me to do my own and I have a few questions like what should I do as a beginner and how to do well in battles or like how should I start my videos that’s all anyway keep up the good work bro I support you 😎
18:44 with Noworossijsk in heavy seas in RB you can get the timer to leave the ship too when you turn hard and are parallel to the waves. btw. the guns kinda remind me of Pariszah Kommuna, it's shells are weak for 7.0 too, but Dunkerque at least get's some speed.
As much as I love the Dunkerque, this video demonstrates perfectly why I don't like naval. In tank and air rb, when you face a superior opponent, you can still take a different approach or run away to get to a better position or fight a better opponent. But in naval you're at the mercy of gaijin balancing to where you are going to have the worst 5 minutes of your life slowly cruising while being destroyed by a superior foe you can't even penetrate. All the hope you have is that they become bored and switch targets.
Lol love the fact that you got destroyed the second time by 15cm APHE that at 10km has 147mm of pen vs 225mm of external armour. Sure he could have hit the lowest part where it can pen but the shells looked very close
Which I could see the boat of my childhood in warthunder French tech tree, named Duguay-Trouin(1923-57) he got shot down in Dunkerque by the Germans my grand father had to hide from SS under the port
Lol the hamster wheel server guy makes a reappearance! Not on fire this time, but still having trouble. It's nice to see that you're a true enthusiast of the history and accuracy of this game. It's a shame gaijin isn't as dedicated as you. Isn't the Kronstadt a paper ship? Yet it's shells are terrific, which are paper too if I'm remembering correctly, yet they won't fix inaccuracies with real ships with real stats. Great video, as always 👍
I had hope for Dunkerke... but not gonna bother grinding for this result especially not with the actual system and wrongly nerfed performances... I still have hope for the future of France finally getting what they've been waiting for. (Probably in 5 years idk...)
Last time I tried the Bravy its miniscule pen meant anything above tinfoil was enough to stop it from penetrating your magazine. Then again, that was BEFORE that weird HE buff so maybe it's busted now?
Right right thats why half the comments are disagreeing with you and the other half are agreeing with you and not a single one of you has linked a source to the obvious out your ass bs.
@@brentonherbert7775 Dunkerque was laid down in 1932 to counter the Deutschland class which started construction in 1929. Notably many classes of treaty ship would be designed with the Deutschland class in mind, it was effectively the very sort of ship the naval treaties of the interwar most wanted to prevent and very much helped motivate the development of the fast battleship rather than slower heavier gunned designs. The Scharnhorst class was then laid down as a counter to the Dunkerque class in 1935 after the Anglo-German Naval Agreement.
Idk maybe more people should play it and fix it or maybe people should altogether abondont gajin and wot games to play seapower, coldwaters, gunnerheat, pc, dcs, war in the sea, and ultimate admiral dreadnoughts . By the way most people don’t play at naval because of sea power, war on the sea, and coldwaters etc. try a sim if it’s tank, plane, ship, or troop combat you’ll have more fun than grinding and most of the time it’s a one time purchase for access to the whole game with no grinding. Also dcs is just like war thunder in the way that you pay 100 dollars for a new plane so not very good but good experience when you put in the effort.
15:10 On most destroyers if you turn toward the missile then your bow will protect your magazine and it won't one-shot you. Sometimes it doesn't even do any damage. Also I'm wondering if it could be better to also face the enemy full on (with no angle at all) in the Dunkerque. It might actually be harder for them, at least at long distance, to specifically hit the turrets, and if they hit them it won't be an underwater hit so maybe you are less likely to drown.
14:03 tbh I’m honestly surprised you survived as long as you did against a Scharnhorst. If that was me in my U.S. battleships I wouldn’t have lasted 10 seconds
Some dude is gonna be like, "My gramps was one of the top ballistic engineers when they built the Dunkerque, here's some photos of all his old blueprints for the cannons and shell compartments as well as the exact shell calculations for armor penetration," and just casually drop some never before seen documents from 1932
15:39 That's not the fault of missiles being in naval. Its because of top-tier naval having lots of interwar and WW2 ships playing against modern ones.
Also I’m glad you feel the same about the point and click adventure ships in Naval. Gaijin keeps adding them and they aren’t fun to fight. They also make it so aircraft cant be used as a counter to battleships anymore. So players who dont have battleships are just food for the people who do. Its not like aircraft were easy to play in naval anyways. At least aircraft cost SP as well. The SAM carriers cost nothing
@@DOLLARplays They don't work, and thats just on the funtionality side. they are busted. Even the USS Detroit cant survive them, and Detroit is notorious for being difficult to ammo rack. Even from a balance perspective ships like Roanoke have the best AAA coverage in the game. You can knock space cadets from orbit with it. Every ship in naval basically already has multiple SPAAs bolted to them. SAMs at 4.0 is just broken. Its ironic how planes were the best counter for battleships cause thats how it worked IRL. Now the only direct counter is another battleship. Unless you get a lucky plunge shot in a destroyer or cruiser you are gonna spend the entire match getting ammo racked by Battleships. Again, at least planes cost SP. SAM Carriers cost only SL. Now all a battleship player needs to do is spawn in a SAM carrier after a plane kills them, clear the skies and spawn in another battleship. Before they actually had to spawn in a figher. Not anymore, Heaven forbid Battleship players have to do anything else than mindlessly click on things. Sorry about the rant. I just think that SAM carriers are what ruined naval because its why all the Aircraft players left and now teams are mostly bots.
Dropped my first nuke like last week, i must say the st a1 is really good, saved the replay and waa waa wee waa, had 12 kills, 1 cap and no deaths, thats what it must feel like when you get those enemies that dont see you even though your right there games.
When playing all forward turreted battleships like the french ones. You always wanna keep the bow towards the enemy. Especially DQ. DQ has paper for side armor. Its like a reverse Hood.
inb4 War Thunder Forum leaks top secret blueprint for 355mm AP shells of a french WW2 battle ship to prove developers wrong and it still won't get fixed
That was finally fixed 2 months ago. Better off locking the missile if you've got radar & or with the use of a flak wall against it. Of course this'll only work for late WWII & post war ships, not vessels like the Mogador class.
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One of the best (or the best) looking ship in War Thunder right now.
With a little bit of love from the devs Dunkerque could actually be pretty competitive 👌
EDIT: Admiral_Bofors made an amazing report considering the AP shell community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/zunkeeXHtKTf
I hope we'll get a positive change out of it
Her sister ship Strasbourg with an extra 60mm on the belt, and an extra 30mm on the turret face would be even better.
What should I play next?
German ground top-tier o7
Would love to see you play Scharhorst and decimate the EC matches (totally not a OP ship)
Dollar is #1, best RUclipsr ever😁
If I may, when you fired the torpedoes I feel like doing dolphin 🐬 noises would have been perfect. Not trying to back seat edit, just fell it would have been too funny.
You should play the ho-I with high explosive it’s slept on af the only things you can’t kill are Stuart’s above the m2 and Swedish casemates
Gaijin be like: "wow, those are some nice calculations you got there, unfortunately we don't like the french sooooo.... *ignored*"
The great snail leaves it's own trail
Calculation doesn't matter when shell is unorthodox. Even in the discussion it was clear consensus that shell can be easily classified as SAP or AP. It was meant to be universal shell so it falls between both shell classes. Yes Gaijin AP cap numbers were wrong, but changing them to 8-9.5% doesn't matter because it is still lower then normal AP cap weight.
Player calculations also are not 1st hand source, so unless somebody can dig up source from French museum that states that these were AP then most likely they will stay as SAP.
No no.
Gaijin loves the french as evidenced by how easy their nation is to play.
What Gaijin DOESN'T like is being told they are wrong or something is broken OR LISTENING TO GOOD COMMUNITY IDEAS.
@@brentonherbert7775 France is easy to play ? bruh it's far from easy. Germany, USSR, USA and Sweden are easy. France is easier than Italy but it's far from easy.
@@first_arcadian Well duh if you only play nations that are borderline cheating no wonder you struggle with a nation that takes a crumb of skill to unlock its busted AF potential.
France is just Britain with more armour and twice the fire rate.
You forgot to mention Gaijins approximation of 3-4% came from the shell's Ballistic cap which they thought was the AP cap☠
Gaijin thinking. Those two words never matched.
They also think that APHE round noses will magically stay intact under any condition after going through armor and destroy a tanks engine in the back after the shell fuzes reliable 100% of the time. They also think that APHE shells can just ignore the laws of physics.
Did they really thought "the wind shield" is the AP cap?
@@DOLLARplays Yes. The two German sketch you showed is where they got their cap estimation from, if you see one has the BC on (what they thought was the ap cap) and the other doesn't. Both document also has the shell weight listed on the bottom right corner so you can subtract the weight of both shell and get the cap weight. When Bofors asked them where they got their estimations from, the mod showed the German sketches.
@@Kuschel_Kthey also think APHE explodes like a granade.🤣🤦♂️
That would hqve been changed, but it was a vo5e and some people were against it.@@michaeld.uchiha9084
This must've taken some time to add in post but i love that rambling in the beginning. I wouldnt advocate it for every video, but maybe for vehicles that have similar issues that impact its gameplay in a negative way.
So basically for anything French in this rigged game...
@@fridaycaliforniaa236Except French 7.7 GRB holy that lineup is rape toward the enemy
My man said "skip to *time* to skip his 'rambling."
Man thats what i watch your vids for.
One of my all time favorite war thunder content creators 😊
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We are now waiting for HMS Nelson, but Gaijin being Gaijin we will probably get HMS Captain that sinks when you turn too hard, at BR 6.3, take it or leave it.
The fuck? , where's the revenge class or queen Elizabeth class gajin..
@@memsysr If leaks are true we are getting R class in the next update _in the soviet tree_
I wouldn't surprised. Britain haven't got 7.0 tt ship since Hood addition years ago...
Would we like to consider the hms Rodney (aka the Nelson Class battleship
I wish they would add Subs, like the mobile version of Warthunder like NGL the submarines would add so much variety to navel. @@DOLLARplays
As a French myself, and having served in the French Navy for more than 15 years, I have some friends in the History service. Some of them might know the exact values of the shells of the Dunkerque. But nvm, Gayjin doesn't give a flying F about real values, when it comes to French stuff...
Say it together: secret documents
@@JohnDoe-vm5rbTbh since it's for an almost 90 years old ship, I don't think these documents would be secret or classified anymore
@@emnergy4271 Thank you captain obvious.
pour l'amour de ta patrie, nom de dieu ! FAIT LE BORDEL !! (ah et merci pour ton service ö7)
You must continue the rich WT Forum tradition of leaking military documents.
Nothing better than a dollar plays video before going to sleep.
Frr
I just wake up lol
Nothing better than a dollar plays video after I wake up I have exam but ok
@Theo_El_Gato un autre qui aime le grand kiwito!!
@Mirage11Edits oui le grand mètre de tous
funny considering the Dunkerque was designed specifically to deal with the German 280mm armed ships....
They were designed to fight against Deutschland class not Scharnhorst class. Also at the range that we fight in WT it doesn't even matter. When Yamato is added everyone is going to penetrate its main belt because we don't fight at ranges where these ships would normally fight.
@@Sarfanger It will be a nice ship, basically like what is the F-117 right now in air battles
Well it depends at what range. At 15km Dunkerque can bounce 280mm from Graf Spee without angling. That what Dunkerque was built for to fight. Scharnhorst 280mm is more powerful, I guess thats why they up-armoured Dunkerque sister ship Strasbourg
@@DOLLARplays I think you meant to write up armored and not unarmored. Actually it wasn't really counter to new Scharnhorst class that was build at same time, but more that shipyard "Ateliers et Chantiers de la Loire" was able to save some weight at certain points compare to her sistership and ship being build lot later meant that they learned stuff from her. In the end she did become heavier and slower, but not that much. In full load she was only 600t heavier then her sister.
Up armoring was meant to help when facing new Italian Littorio-class ships, but I doubt that 60mm armor increase would have helped a lot against 380mm guns. These ships were fast battleships and not Battlecruisers like many like to think. They were meant to fight in line of battle with future Richelieu class against Italian fleet.
@Sarfanger you're right. I fixed it.
Oh I didn't know. And yeah Strasbourg definitely wasn't the counter to Littorio class, Richelieu was.
If I remember correctly, the quad turrets were compartmentalized so that all 4 guns would not be knocked out in the event of a hit to them.
The bulkhead in the middle of the turret is in the game however as per the game mechanic the whole turret becomes inoperable when it gets hit.
ie. The turret cannot rotate. So you are stuck with 2 functioning guns on a turret that you cannot rotate.
Knowing how Gayjin riggs their shitty scam of a game, you can be sure the whole thing gets destroyed just by you sneezing in front on your screen on a windy day...
@@fridaycaliforniaa236 yeah you're just extremely salty
The fabled D point finally appears... now we can finally Attack the D Point!
Affirmative!
I aggre!
I feel the problem right now with naval is that the parts you can damage are waaaay too big, shell rooms should have like 6 localized compartments with hp pools, he damages area etc
That would help for sure. According I wonder if they try to model them to realistic size
Shells were tested and found to be very difficult to detonate from external damage. This was known to I believe every major navy, and factored into design decisions. During the Iowa reactivation the Navy tested chain shell detonation and found it wasn’t possible to create the catastrophic ones found in game. Never more than a handful would detonate at once. Generally on ships where they are below the magazine it is to provide additional protection against sea mines. When they are above it is to allow vulnerable magazines to be deeper in the ship. I forget the exact reason for their placement in the barbette on American ships, but it may have been related to shell handling and reload procedures as the US on large ships tended towards using relatively more manpower than machine power compared to other navies. In any event it wasn’t an issue, if I recall correctly 14” shells from Arizona were recovered intact from spaces that had been above the detonated magazine.
“Go to 3:29 to skip my yammering” No… I don’t think I will keep talking gentleman
It's naval, the yammering is more interesting than the gameplay 😅
WT naval fuse delay is an overlooked but very important value.
For example, Soviet B-13's SAP is quite effective against small targets but not so much against bigger ones, even if the penetration should be more than enough. The reason may be because its super short delay (0.01s, ).
Naval fuzes are very cool because they are on a timer not hard coded like ground forces where shells will always detonate at a set distance, or how SD fuzes on aircraft will detonate at a set range instead of a timer.
This means that the fuze delay distance is variable and changes depending on the shells velocity.
Affirmative!
Who else didn't skip the rambling?
Me
Me! ❤
It's crazy🤯🤯🤯
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why would we.. we here for the naval. this is part of the naval. also listening to dollar longer is always nice
The French ship being the worst of all in terms of pen and ammo racks ? Oh, what a surprise, coming from Gayjin...
Sadly with Bravy, they’ll look at the players that still can’t hit even with mouse guided missiles and say that everything is fine, or that it even needs a buff
Im with dollar, those have no place in naval. I got 5 minutes into naval ec Saturday and quit because there were 2 or 3 on the other team.
ill be real with you man, the missile is incredibly obnoxious to use/aim even against the intended target of air sometimes; but it really doesnt provide a lot for attacking other ships cuz of the proxy fuse, the one killing dollar in this vid is a fluke rather than normal performance since the missile managed to explode over the turrets and splash down on the ammo below them
The worst thing is because of dunkerque shell are SAP according to gaijin, they want to reclassified 305/340 from french top tier to SAP from AP
So reduce their pénétration and nerf the whole top tier
Gaijin goes worse scenario for French battleship,
But they go best scenario for a Russian battleship that never existed? Makes sense
Pretty much
Never existed? sure, they never finished it, but Armor values are known so there's only one scenario, and the guns for both Kronstadt and Izmail were built, Kronstadt got other turrets because the russians didn't manage to built triple turrets for the gun, but the gun itself existed and penetration Valued were known, the 305mm gun that was planned for Project 69 could pen 350mm at 15km and 30degree angle. Izmail guns could pen around 320mm at 15km and 30 degree angle. So i wouldn't say they did go best scenario.
@@sturmovik_80 Kronshtadt dont even should have that fanfic 305mm guns. The Sovieta bought from germany 6 38cm guns, the same guns as bismarck, on the same C/34 twim turrets, to equip Kronshtadt. I don't know why it's not in the game even knowing that cause of that soviet dificulty to build an decent turret for his 305mm guns they bought german turrets
@@moonlightsparkle2690 because intially the 305mm guns were planned?
Also i'm pretty sure we will see Project 69I in the game next year.
@@sturmovik_80 but the problem is that. Planned. There are a lot of people that mention that they weren't abble to create that triple mount, also as I said, the soviets did bought 3 of the 38cm guns on twin mounts, same turrets as Bismarck class. If completed, it's more probably that Kronshtadt wouls have these 380mm guns not the 305mm guns
I'll never skip your rambling, it's by far the most important part
6:02 ATTACK THE D POINT!(pls act at this comment like in a WT match chat)
DEFEND THE D POINT!
@@Orion_179 AFFIRMATIVE
Bro found the D Point
Negative!
Defend the D point!
DEFEND THE DDDDDDDDDDDDDD POINT
0:55 I didn't listen to that sentence above, but I don't regret it at all. Your explanations were very enjoyable and informative
3:17 L'urssaf est partout
PARTOUT 😱
Vraiment partout elle voit tous
Tu est un baguette?
Elle est partout, dans tous les recoins prête à te tomber dessus quand tu t'y attends pas
Faites gaffe mes amis
5:58 I thought it was just a myth, but instead it was hiding all along, +1 naval player who’s with me?!! We shall attack and capture it
Gotta love the occasional extra sound effects you put, oddly entertaining!
Dollar is infact correct. The French Quad turrets had a thick septum right in the middle of the turret, this kept atleast 2 guns in battle should ammo cook off in the turret.
18:12 The Kongo class is notorious for doing that too. One unrepairable breach in the machinery room you're done for.
Now we have to wait for The bigger Sister Richelieu hehe
Hopefully in a year 🤞
I loved The sopranos edits you added it cracked me up🤣 I need to rewatch it! Like always thank you for the amazing videos!
I'm currently rewatching sopranos. My third time
Love your stuff my guy. Have been watching for a long time and you give us several good laughs every time. Take care and keep being you brother!
I appreciate that
“Go to 3:29 to skip my rambling”
Sir…
The rambling is why I’m here.
And that ramble was S tier.
i love how a battleship is faster than the maus
Almost 3 times faster, and probably like 200 times heavier 😂
everytime I see this beauty I just wanna call it dun-ker-kwe. either way, this ship is the entire reason I started grinding french naval tree when it came out. hope they make the guns a bit less... shite, for lack of a better term. Lovely video as always dollar!
Oh boy here we go DUNKERQUE!
I really love this ship. Reminds me of a ship the MC of a Sci-fi would use to out gun pray, but out run any danger. While having great range and maneuverability. And with the scout plane. You could really pull off some tactical shenanigans.
0:46 "Skip to 3:29" Me: I dont think I will😏
If it was a Russian vehicle they would have taken best case scenario without any hesitation, but if it's French, British, or Italian it must be worse.
It's one of the things that really puts me off Warthunder.
yeah let's just ignore that the brits have a fully fake APFSDS, and italians have a magic HESH shell for the Lancia
@@o-hogameplay185 The lancia, really? you mean the truck with wooden armour and an appalling reload which noone uses...
I've been playing a British 7.7 line up for the last month and it's been nothing but hell, the APDS can't penetrate anything and does no post pen damage. Sometimes the round does nothing, since they have introduced the hit replays ive got a conqueror with it's 120mm APDS hitting the front of a marder III H from 3.0 and doing nothing, that right nothing, no deflection no shell shatter and no ghost shell, it hits and just does no damage...
The only magic is the Russian ballistic caps that make their rounds perform right angle turns when they hit the armour, i mean that's the only way they would penetrate some of the angles they do.
The APDS or fake APFSDS as you say is so broken and unreliable that most of the time it just doesn't work.
Take shell shatter for example, ok the shell has shattered but what happened to the pieces???
They are still moving forward at 1400m/s they don't just disappear or magically deflect, check out one of the many simulation channels on RUclips and you will see i'm right. The rounds often break a part and the pieces still push through the armour, the round doesn't just disappear.
@@commanderdon4300 omg the amount of skill issue on your end is immeasurable.
"The lancia, really? you mean the truck with wooden armour and an appalling reload which noone uses..."
does not matter if nobody uses it
"I've been playing a British 7.7 line up for the last month and it's been nothing but hell, the APDS can't penetrate anything and does no post pen damage. Sometimes the round does nothing, since they have introduced the hit replays ive got a conqueror with it's 120mm APDS hitting the front of a marder III H from 3.0 and doing nothing, that right nothing, no deflection no shell shatter and no ghost shell, it hits and just does no damage..."
because all those (17pdr, 83mm, 120mm on the Conq) are gen 1 APDS that are made from T. carbide. it does little damage, has horrible angle pen, xshatters a lot.
when you get the Vickers Mk1 and Cent Mk 10, then you will get the actually good ones since they use gen 2 APDS, which is extremely good
"The only magic is the Russian ballistic caps that make their rounds perform right angle turns when they hit the armour, i mean that's the only way they would penetrate some of the angles they do."
those are flat nose shells and thus they have increased effect against angled armor.
also please show me one of those "right angle turns"
"Take shell shatter for example, ok the shell has shattered but what happened to the pieces???
They are still moving forward at 1400m/s they don't just disappear or magically deflect, check out one of the many simulation channels on RUclips and you will see i'm right. The rounds often break a part and the pieces still push through the armour, the round doesn't just disappear."
i know all of these. they are not modelled. if the shell shatters it disappears.
*same happens with soviet APDS*
so just because you have skill issue it does not mean bias.
When you think you're going to be DCed from a game, if you Alt-F4 fast enough and start the game back up it'll ask if you want to be put back in the same match, and if you haven't died yet you'll stay in your current vehicle.
The moment they add USS North Carolina. I’m in. We already got Raleigh. Now I need NC BB-55.
Well looks like we're getting Colorado class ship next update. North Carolina will be the next step.
History lessons and rambles with DOLLAR. I could listen to more of those. Good stuff DOLLAR.
The only thing the snail take from me is time
I swear I went to watch RUclips one last time before going to sleep (03:22 in the night/ Brazil) and I came across this video; I love you, dollar.
akshually, those quad gun turrets are more like 2x2 gun turrets welded together with, I believe, a very thick wall between both pair of guns, so what they should also model somehow is a possibility of losing only one side of the turret but not the other one, when they take side shots for exemple.
Hey bro you are one of my favorites RUclipsrs of all time and I truly love your videos and you have inspired me to do my own and I have a few questions like what should I do as a beginner and how to do well in battles or like how should I start my videos that’s all anyway keep up the good work bro I support you 😎
At least we can all agree that Gaijiin putting zero thought into anything is core to Warthunder.
Fully agree
God dollar you got me good with the D point jokes, what throwback to the good ol days 😜
18:44 with Noworossijsk in heavy seas in RB you can get the timer to leave the ship too when you turn hard and are parallel to the waves.
btw. the guns kinda remind me of Pariszah Kommuna, it's shells are weak for 7.0 too, but Dunkerque at least get's some speed.
As much as I love the Dunkerque, this video demonstrates perfectly why I don't like naval. In tank and air rb, when you face a superior opponent, you can still take a different approach or run away to get to a better position or fight a better opponent. But in naval you're at the mercy of gaijin balancing to where you are going to have the worst 5 minutes of your life slowly cruising while being destroyed by a superior foe you can't even penetrate. All the hope you have is that they become bored and switch targets.
That's true. This is why good balancing is important in naval
Lol love the fact that you got destroyed the second time by 15cm APHE that at 10km has 147mm of pen vs 225mm of external armour. Sure he could have hit the lowest part where it can pen but the shells looked very close
Which I could see the boat of my childhood in warthunder French tech tree, named Duguay-Trouin(1923-57) he got shot down in Dunkerque by the Germans my grand father had to hide from SS under the port
I listened to all your yapping because i like how you explain to me more about War Thunder and from WW2 Era
Lol the hamster wheel server guy makes a reappearance! Not on fire this time, but still having trouble. It's nice to see that you're a true enthusiast of the history and accuracy of this game. It's a shame gaijin isn't as dedicated as you. Isn't the Kronstadt a paper ship? Yet it's shells are terrific, which are paper too if I'm remembering correctly, yet they won't fix inaccuracies with real ships with real stats. Great video, as always 👍
The action of naval battles is so intense, one can use it for a lullaby
Stop
Cool learning segment in the start ty dollar
I had hope for Dunkerke... but not gonna bother grinding for this result especially not with the actual system and wrongly nerfed performances...
I still have hope for the future of France finally getting what they've been waiting for.
(Probably in 5 years idk...)
Last time I tried the Bravy its miniscule pen meant anything above tinfoil was enough to stop it from penetrating your magazine. Then again, that was BEFORE that weird HE buff so maybe it's busted now?
14:30 Kinda makes sense since Scharnhorst was specifically designed to counter the Dunkerque class.
Right right thats why half the comments are disagreeing with you and the other half are agreeing with you and not a single one of you has linked a source to the obvious out your ass bs.
@@brentonherbert7775 Dunkerque was laid down in 1932 to counter the Deutschland class which started construction in 1929. Notably many classes of treaty ship would be designed with the Deutschland class in mind, it was effectively the very sort of ship the naval treaties of the interwar most wanted to prevent and very much helped motivate the development of the fast battleship rather than slower heavier gunned designs. The Scharnhorst class was then laid down as a counter to the Dunkerque class in 1935 after the Anglo-German Naval Agreement.
I’ll never skip your rambling Dollar. It’s my favorite part.
bro made 5 naval warthunder players happy
Idk maybe more people should play it and fix it or maybe people should altogether abondont gajin and wot games to play seapower, coldwaters, gunnerheat, pc, dcs, war in the sea, and ultimate admiral dreadnoughts . By the way most people don’t play at naval because of sea power, war on the sea, and coldwaters etc. try a sim if it’s tank, plane, ship, or troop combat you’ll have more fun than grinding and most of the time it’s a one time purchase for access to the whole game with no grinding. Also dcs is just like war thunder in the way that you pay 100 dollars for a new plane so not very good but good experience when you put in the effort.
Love the video and overa naval stuff your the only naval RUclipsr I watch 👍
15:10 On most destroyers if you turn toward the missile then your bow will protect your magazine and it won't one-shot you. Sometimes it doesn't even do any damage.
Also I'm wondering if it could be better to also face the enemy full on (with no angle at all) in the Dunkerque. It might actually be harder for them, at least at long distance, to specifically hit the turrets, and if they hit them it won't be an underwater hit so maybe you are less likely to drown.
15:47 Hey dollar do you know the Tornado IDS 😏
Been waiting for some Dollar ship action 🙏
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14:03 tbh I’m honestly surprised you survived as long as you did against a Scharnhorst. If that was me in my U.S. battleships I wouldn’t have lasted 10 seconds
I dont unsderstand a shit about naval but somehow i like to see dollar playing
Some dude is gonna be like, "My gramps was one of the top ballistic engineers when they built the Dunkerque, here's some photos of all his old blueprints for the cannons and shell compartments as well as the exact shell calculations for armor penetration," and just casually drop some never before seen documents from 1932
15:39 That's not the fault of missiles being in naval. Its because of top-tier naval having lots of interwar and WW2 ships playing against modern ones.
It’s BEAUTIFUL! My favorite ship classes, Dunkerque and Richelieu, unique and beautiful.
Always happy to listen to Dollar's rambling 👍
Also I’m glad you feel the same about the point and click adventure ships in Naval. Gaijin keeps adding them and they aren’t fun to fight. They also make it so aircraft cant be used as a counter to battleships anymore. So players who dont have battleships are just food for the people who do. Its not like aircraft were easy to play in naval anyways. At least aircraft cost SP as well. The SAM carriers cost nothing
I can't see how they can make them work
@@DOLLARplays They don't work, and thats just on the funtionality side. they are busted. Even the USS Detroit cant survive them, and Detroit is notorious for being difficult to ammo rack.
Even from a balance perspective ships like Roanoke have the best AAA coverage in the game. You can knock space cadets from orbit with it. Every ship in naval basically already has multiple SPAAs bolted to them. SAMs at 4.0 is just broken.
Its ironic how planes were the best counter for battleships cause thats how it worked IRL. Now the only direct counter is another battleship. Unless you get a lucky plunge shot in a destroyer or cruiser you are gonna spend the entire match getting ammo racked by Battleships.
Again, at least planes cost SP. SAM Carriers cost only SL. Now all a battleship player needs to do is spawn in a SAM carrier after a plane kills them, clear the skies and spawn in another battleship. Before they actually had to spawn in a figher. Not anymore, Heaven forbid Battleship players have to do anything else than mindlessly click on things.
Sorry about the rant. I just think that SAM carriers are what ruined naval because its why all the Aircraft players left and now teams are mostly bots.
13:00 peak gameplay😂 I love your Videos
That's why i don't like naval 😂
your editing is top tier love your vids
Now imagine how well he'd play the Dunkerque if he was using both hands
Eweryone gets happy.
Reality in game:It suck!
Ship leans slightly.
French dudes: Abandon Ship!!! 😂😂😂
ATTACK THE D POINT 🗣️
That’s crazy that an anti air missile penned a warship, nutty even, bad code even….
A dollar video right before work, Monday morning? That's a blessing!
The missles on Bravy are technically dual purpose. Sam with the USS Douglas and its Missiles😊
Love the vids dollar:)
13:08 peak naval gameplay 😂
Dropped my first nuke like last week, i must say the st a1 is really good, saved the replay and waa waa wee waa, had 12 kills, 1 cap and no deaths, thats what it must feel like when you get those enemies that dont see you even though your right there games.
Yup. Some games just goes like this. Great job💪🏻
When playing all forward turreted battleships like the french ones. You always wanna keep the bow towards the enemy. Especially DQ. DQ has paper for side armor. Its like a reverse Hood.
For that to work you need great frontal armor Dunkerque don't have
Damn, Jay Gilstrap is on War Thunder too?
Literally cannot escape that man.
Thanks Dollar! Was waiting for it
i never skip ur rambling, i love it
It's the 03:20 of the morning in my country... but i never lost a new vid, love you betty ❤
my dude best part of the video is your rambling and music
and pls play stalker 2 you will like it ....Greetings from Serbia
inb4 War Thunder Forum leaks top secret blueprint for 355mm AP shells of a french WW2 battle ship to prove developers wrong and it still won't get fixed
6 min to kill a ship, they wonder why no 1 plays naval
You can also kill a ship in 1 second.
Dollar, this intro showes your clean joy from adding this ship and I thank you for making my day better with first 16s of this video 😊😊😊
I'm very happy to finally see Dunkerque in War Thunder 🤗
why would I skip your rambling? that's most entertaining and enjoyable my friend. a very good foreplay for the main video if you like ;)
Gaijin and admitting they're wrong, that's not gonna happen.
Just use your countermeasures against the missile. I mean torpedoes by the way. The proxy activates on torpedoes.
That was finally fixed 2 months ago.
Better off locking the missile if you've got radar & or with the use of a flak wall against it.
Of course this'll only work for late WWII & post war ships, not vessels like the Mogador class.
15:10 that didn't looked like moused guided, as the turns were to sharp so it was very likely keyboard guided xD
13:07 most engaging blue water naval engagement on warthunder 🗿🗿🗿
But at least it can't be compared to world of warships!! That's the really really really important bit for Gaijin.
It is a joyous day, he has found the illusive D point
so much waiting for Dunkerque, now another 2-3 years for Richelieu or Jean Bart
So that's the illusive D point, all the way in Naval mode.