@@theodoreoriley4584 The court needs to have statements like this explisitly stated for record purposes. It's can look stupid when it's an obvious question, but a jury are only allowed to take evidence/testimony brought before them during the case so if the victim knows who commited the crime they have to explisitly state it infront of the jury so that that fact has been recorded properly in the court transcript. You have to treat every point as if it's vital since you don't know what would destroy your case if you fail to cover it properly in the trial.
He's wonderful. Not innocent just wonderful. He understands most of the time that patients can be irrational simply because they are a hard time. With this one he was likely wrong because of where he stood. But he's right about correctional institutions, they rarely breed anything but ill.
Dr Charles: He's a confused man who needs some help. Ms Goodwin: Yeah, like someone else I know. Dr Charles: What's *_that_* supposed to mean!? *_Damn . . . Burn._*
I honestly think that Reese was right cause the look on kellogs face when dr Charles said that he is legally insane was like so smug and then when Reese said he wasn’t then he got so angry cause he lost to opportunity to be in psychiatric care instead of jail
I am just saying it like this: going to a psychiatric ward as a legally insane person is no less a stripment of liberty, however, it comes with treatment, which a dangerous narcissist like Kellogg needs. Putting him in jail is like putting a rabid, sick dog in a dog pen. Less violent inmates might be put at risk. Even more, in prison Kellogg's chances of rehabilitation and resocialization are slim to none. We need to stop using prisons as punishment, to break the cycle we need to help even those that we deem unworthy of help. There is a reason why the American prisons are so full, they are not meant to reduce crime, they are meant to give us sadistic redemption and that's wrong.
@@dustdigger9001 A guy like Kellogg indeed is unworthy of help. This guy doesn't need a psychiatric ward or prison. He needs a speed way to the chair. Why are we defending someone like Kellogg who can't be helped
@@TheMitchie21 We can't prove that he can't be helped. It would be very difficult to help him and no guarantee of success but there is a chance, however slim of helping him. We learn later that he died in prison anyway so I suppose the point is moot anyhow.
@@michaelfawcett3856 I'm no a registered psychologist or psychiatrist, but I think psychiatric care would have created more harm in the long-run; in the confines of this clip and discounting his later death in prison. Kellogg also behaved like a violent narcissist alongside a "malignant sociopath," viewing individual people as reflections of his self-worth and holding a high opinion of himself over them. He's similar to a episode-antagonist from Criminal Minds "Ashes to Dust" called VIncent Stiles. In the latter show, Stiles was described as a highly intelligent underachiever with severe narcissistic character disorder. He craved admiration but lacked as sense of respect or concern for people, all the way to their own property and safety. Stiles would resent other people's independence, yet at the same time expect them to take care of and value him first and foremost. He would project his own views over everyone and everything, to the point of joining an environmental-activist group believing they were all arsonists and encouraged setting fires; yet Stiles did so to kill people, or as a "family annihilator." Kellogg's portrayal in Chicago Med has a lot of parallels. Psychiastric care would have fed into his attitude or led to him developing stronger entitlement and even more violent tendencies and reactions to anything contradicting his own views. Should somebody grant his sense of being served or giving him attention, he would be amicable and respectful. Yet the slightest contradiction from anyone.....well Dr. Reese's testimony, or Dr. Charles' absence while Robin Charles was undergoing brain surgery, display Kellogg's disposition near-indisputably.
I agree with Dr. Reese. That man showed no guilt at all. If he felt guilty, he wouldn't be smirking, he'd have a touched, grateful smile with tears brimming in his eyes. Anyone can be a narcissist or sociopath, that's not supposed to make them dangerous. Shooting someone for no particular reason is what makes that person dangerous. Most killers are sick in the mind so should they all be forgiven. What about the victims? They need justice
i understand where you are coming from but a phichiatric care facility for criminals is justice, its like jail just more isolated and he isn't a danger to himself or others and hed be locked away for a much longer time period. and true its not supposed to make them dangerous but he is dangerous to everyone around him and he has rage issues and outbursts without thinking, those arent a facade and that's why he needed a psychiatric facility, if it was a facade he wouldn't have lashed out in the middle of court he, would have stayed calm and looked kind of sad so i disagree with reese in her opinion in regards to that. going to an asylum isn't getting off scott free, not in the lest bit? have you ever seen one? it is jail, if not worse, he will likely be there for much longer then his sentace and he wouldn't have does or killed anyone else. and there is a difference between him and other criminals, other criminals can handle the stress of being in jail without making impulsive stupid decisions like he would
An asylum in America is often worse than jail, that is far better justice than prison. The man clearly had some severe mental issues, he needed to be treated properly in a facility meant for people like him.
punishing a sick person who has no agency due to their sickness is not justice. and like the doctor said, he was sending him to an asylum he would probably never leave from, not to a spa. no one is forgiving him. not because of some misplaced altruism like you claim, but because the question of forgiveness isnt applicable to someone who acted without agency. do you forgive the ocean when someone drowns?
@@adamlouis3725 the ocean is not a living thing. A narcissist and sociopath can think and they're aware. They can choose whether to commit violence or not. Schizophrenia is another case
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It’s not unethical to be emotional. It’s ill advised because becoming emotionally involved can cloud your judgement. But caring about people isn’t something to be punished.
Except that he was wrong once again. That wasn't insanity: that was narcissistic rage. Narcissism is a personality disorder, not a mental illness. The guy was not legally insane.
Reese is the one who is in the right. The guy is a threat and truthfully beyond help. He is cunning, manipulative and a clear danger. Therapy and medication are not going to help someone like this. Sad as it is to admit but there are people in society who are fundamentally broken and cannot be repaired
You do realize that the main reason people who were in jail, are released and keep on the crime path is PRECISELY because they don’t receive the proper therapy and medications. This is why people “cannot be repaired” it’s like giving chemotherapy to a gunshot wound patient, not the correct treatment therefore no positive result.
Not therapy but Dr. Charles want to send him to an asylum a place where he can't escape to help him if he go to prison he can gets here like 10 years and not have necessary helps so come back and try to kill somebody else not in an asylum
I don't ship anyone in Chicago med and the only reason why is because Chicago med is a very realistic serious show, I don't usually ship anyone on these types of shows
It's hard when you understand both sides. I agree with Charles, that this man needs PROPER care and he needs to be studied over a long period. Something is wrong and jail is probably never going to fix that. But Reese is also right. Charles is not objective enough, as he knows the paintient and has had enough time to sympathise with him. Not to mention, he probably feels guilty for not being there for his patient when he was needed. So Charles giving him that way out of jail, could also be his guilt. Reese has a good reason to believe that Charles is not being professional- that he even maybe afraid. And she is right. If they (along with MANY other doctors) had diagnosed the man with narcissim? He would have gotten out without so much as a sweat. And probably become even more dangerous to others. So ultimately; this was the right choice. It is terrible and for a person who has swore to help others like Charles- it is a tough pill to swallow.
i somewhat disagree, what i see a lot of people in the comments are missing is that phychiatric care facilities for criminals are like jail, the only difference is that he gets treated by doctors and he cant indanger himself or anyone else around him, pleeing not guilt due to insaity doesn't mean he gets away scott free, he just doesn't get to be a danger to anyone else. and i agree that he is a narcicist and has antisocial personality disorder, but i think doctor Charles meant that he does have those disorders, but at the time he was having a rage episode and wasn't thinking, it wasn't a cold calculated move like dr reese said, he is way way way more impulsive and his anger isn't a facade, he genuinely cant help it otherwise any person putting on a facade wouldn't have acted out that way in court. he is saying at the time of the crime is was not in his right mind
Curious thing though... in real life if a person is considered legally insane and a verdict placed in light of that and thus sent to a mental institution AFTER a violent crime, then if they happened to have good progression, whether genuine or not, so as to not longer be considered in need of a psych ward, they are NOT released into the streets, but rather placed into a common prison to serve the remainder of whatever term they might have. Of course, that is even assuming they get out of the mental institution, since historically and statistically legally insane criminals have had low rates of progress and discharge compared to other patients, even those who may have "worse" conditions. Legal insanity isn't a "get-out-of-jail-free card" in real life, not by a long shot. Makes for good drama to treat it that way though lmao
Narcissism is a personality disorder, not a mental illness. Dr. Charles must also know as a professional psychiatrist that it's extremely resistant to treatment. When therapy is forced on a narcissist, the probability of success is literally zero. Interestingly enough, it is well known in psychiatric literature that health professionals, especially psychiatrists and therapists, are particularly prone and susceptible to manipulation by narcissists. Dr. Charles betrays a certain blindness here in assuming that he alone is immune to it.
At first I thought hmm maybe Reese was wrong here, but then I realized Dr. Charles has failed by letting a few psycho/sociopaths into the system that could con their way out and pose a big threat in the future
I was slightly confused about why the dude was looking all smug when Charles called him insane. It's not like being locked up in a psychiatric ward is any more fun than going to prison and aren't these types of people - narcissists, psychopaths - usually rather annoyed when people call them insane and say they need treatment since they believe themselves to be fine? Honestly, he probably should go to the ward. He won't change in prison
Dr Charles, to Dr Reese: “You know how you can help me? Go back to the hospital. Uhh, get me some sliders. Bring me those sliders. Then watch...watch me _eat_ those sliders... ... _Damn, I love me some sliders_ .”
It's very hard to determine when a patient like this is legally insane or not, if he is conscious and has control over his actions despites his psychological issues. Any Psychiatrist diagnosis is inevitably subjective. In a tricky subject as a human mind, maybe Dr Charles and Reesee are being professional and gave an impartial, fair diagnosis, despite their issues with the accused (Daniel's trauma, guilt and ego, Reesee's anger). Their opposite opinions can be because they're over and undervaluing different aspects of the subject's case. They're both valid. Reesee has as much right as Daniel to gave her opinion in the trial, so Dr. Charles shouldn't get mad about this. He does because, according to him, the patient is actually too insane and won't get the treatment he needs in jail, and he cares about his patient (something it happens to the doctors of this series constantly) but I think his indignation was a sign he was too emotionally involved with the case to be impartial.
As much as I love Dr. Charles, ones mental illness should not be the reason for another's demise. Meaning, Insanity may be an illness, but you can't use it in favour of yourself to avoid jail time. That's not justice.
Justice comes in many forms for different people. Being sent to an insane asylum isn't an easy way out like many people think. For people that are insane going to jail solves nothing, literally nothing. The fact that Dr. Charles saw that this person was insane and required help means that he saw hope for a better future for his patient. As for Dr.Reese she let her own emotional feelings cloud her judgement. She couldn't look past her emotion to see that this man needed help. The fact that he cried out for help in his own twisted way completely escaped her. The character of Jack Kellog also died in prison. So not only did she rob this man for of his chance to be helped she also indirectly caused his death.
@@CarlosHuiskens Ik its a show but its still really sad to hear he died in prison, he also killed his wife i heard RIP and God be with them. I think dr. Reese did the right thing here, not saying her emotions didn't cloud her judgement but dr. Charles was too, because of his guilt. When he killed his wife and shot dr. Charles, it was his intent and choice to do so, he showed no remorse of what he did, came after dr. Charles and theres a high chance he would do it again, coming after dr. Charles again and or harming innocent people. Going to an insane asylum is definitely not the easy way out, but like dr. Reese said, theres a high chance he would do it again when he gets out/manipulate things so he gets out earlier and endangering other people.
I absolutely love dr. Charles he’s so into his work and genuinely wants to help people I really want to meet him but sadly he’s just a character but I feel like just his presents would feel safe and peaceful I wish I could’ve meet someone like him when I was struggling with mental health problems He’s kinda inspired me to become a physiologist I always wanted to be a marine biologist but now I kinda wanna become a physiologist become like the person dr.Charles is I wanna help troubled people who struggle I wanna help adolescents with mental health problems I wanna be like dr. Charles
@@michaelfawcett2816 i think you can spare the scathing sarcasm, its most likely a spelling error that has been unfortunately incorrectly 'corrected' by their phone. Also keep in mind they're most likely in adolescence or childhood still.
@@jazzycat8917 this isn't about being right or wrong. This is about the duty of a doctor. A doctor's duty is to treat illness and save lives, NOT playing hero and acting in the name of Justice. If she wants to play hero, she should be a cop or a judge , NOT a doctor. When you're a doctor, you're unbiased , you do not prejudice, because all lives are equal in the eyes of doctors. By succumbing to her emotions, she has already failed in acting like one, because emotions blind one from seeing things objectively , emotions allows you to see things through a tunnel image, you can't think straight when you're emotional.
As much as I admire Dr Charles as a human and a psychiatrist, I think he is seriously misguided here. I completely understand his wanting to help a sick man, but this isn't a schizophrenic patient who kills someone without fully realising what they're doing. This is a malicious man who had clear intent to cause harm to someone else with no empathy whatsoever. Not sure why the writers did this to his character.
Exactly, the reason for lock up is to prevent causing harm to the public, as long as there is intent and capacity, then there is no reason not to put him behind bars
I like that the writers chose to make dr Charles react this way. Yes dr charles is an excellent doctor but even a good doctor and psychiatrist like him can still make 'wrong and bias' choice/judgement when they go through such traumatic events. It shows that dr charles is still a human and that trauma as awful as that can still affect the strongest doctor there is (aka dr Charles).
I thought Charles was in the hospital speaking with Reese when they got the news that Kellogg was outside somewhere, having shot himself. What is going on???
Logically speaking, if someone is committing an act of terror by shooting, abusing, robbing or kidnapping somebody, justice must be served for those innocent victims who had their lives suddenly taken away. I do believe that criminals have room for redemption to become better humans, but for the shooter in this scene, he deserves a lot more for what he’s done. Even if the doctors help him, he may commit the same crime anywhere else and get away with it easily. Dr. Reese was absolutely right in this, and I totally agree with her. Dr. Charles May have been through a lot way more than the young psychiatrists he knows, but come on! Times are different and young people are becoming more aware of what’s happening, and it’s their decision to do everything they can in moving forward, even getting their rights and justice back on track, not just the victim’s rights, and Dr. Reese was a great example of the right moment to stand up for something as important as this. She did what was right both subjectively AND professionally as this case is pure black and white. Nothing is in grey area when it comes to an experienced psychiatrist like Dr. Charles being manipulated by the shooter until he fell in the same trap as the shooter! Thank Lord he survived the shot, and the shooter got what he deserved even after killing his own wife
As a Criminologist I love the vids that relate to mental disorders and criminology on this show. But the amount of people that think they know more on mental disorders pisses me off I swear. 😂 Anyways, great show. ❤️
I love Oliver Platt, he is a very good and an accomplished actor, he has been in a lot of movies and television shows, he does excellent work as Dr Daniel Charles on Chicago Med, he is underrated, Dr. Charles is smart, caring and very good at what he does, he is the best.
I'm on Dr. Reese's side on this one. Mr. Kellog easily shot Dr. Charles and himself. It could happen again if he's out. Luckily, they both survived the first shooting he did. What more can he do if he's outside? I know it's dangerous in jail, but he needs to pay for what he did.
Chicago Justice,. Was already done, but got cancelled, the producer of this trilogy, was the creator of Law and Order (not in Chicago, but in NY) and now airing Law and Order: SVU
I think Charles is the most professional of them all and that nobody can say otherwise, absolutely everybody in that hospital let their emotions take control, therefore practicing bad medicine. He is VERY experienced and knows MUCH MORE than a STUDENT. He was the only one that thought about that life, everybody else thought about the doctor and not the patient. He did what was ethical and right as the doctor of that man, that's what I hope to be when i become a doctor myself.
I agree that most of the time, Doctor Charles is a good man that gets it right. But not this time. Should Reese have gone over his head? Maybe not. But the guy was clearly not what Doctor Charles thought he was.
Dr Charles is one of the most professional doctors in the hospital but he's still a human. He is not invisible to an awful traumatic event (such as getting shot by his own patient who didn't realize had tendencies to hurt others) affecting his objectivity. It's understandable that it affects his judgement and that's why other people, who may not have as much experience as him, but way more clearheaded step in and give their professional input (like dr reese and goodwind).
They both had their reasons and points but in the end, Charles was proven right to a degree, his prediction for what would happen if Kellogg were sent to prison came true.
I swear dr Charles and dr manning take everything easy like when she broke her water she’s like “no, I broke my water 🙂” and doctor Charles is like so calm. I’d be screaming in pain
Dr. Charles is absolutely correct. His patient is a troubled man that he wants to help. Given his 30 years of experience in psychiatry, he knew that the suspect is a troubled person. Dr. Reese just wants to avenge her mentor. Remember that psychiatry before Dr. Philippe Pinel, was a branch of penology instead of a medical subspecialty (During that time, the insane are treated like criminals and chained like animals). Dr. Charles is the modern counterpart of Dr. Philippe Pinel, the father of modern psychiatry.
Yes but he is also involved and a traumatizing ecperience like that can affect you. That's why dr. Reese stepped in. I heard the character dies in prison and ik its a show but its still really sad to hear he died in prison, RIP and God be with him. I think dr. Reese did the right thing here, not saying her emotions didn't cloud her judgement but dr. Charles was too, because of his guilt. When he shot dr. Charles, it was his intent and choice to do so, he showed no remorse of what he did and theres a high chance he would do it again, coming after dr. Charles again and or harming innocent people. And going to an insane asylum is definitely not the easy way out, but like dr. Reese said, theres a high chance he would do it again when he gets out/manipulate things so he gets out earlier and endangering other people.
The lawyer in trial is the same character in SVU as Deputy Chief Christian Garland. But the Chicago universe is the same universe with SVU. I’m so confused.
Man: can you identify the man who shot you?
Dr charles: um yeah he's right there
Yeah they asked him a dumb question
@@theodoreoriley4584 No, that's a pretty standard question, as far as I'm aware.
Mary Christie not if they’re already in fucking court
@Harriet Antrobus Exactly. Law is very precise, court proceedings are very boring and repetitive because they can't allow for mistake.
@@theodoreoriley4584 The court needs to have statements like this explisitly stated for record purposes. It's can look stupid when it's an obvious question, but a jury are only allowed to take evidence/testimony brought before them during the case so if the victim knows who commited the crime they have to explisitly state it infront of the jury so that that fact has been recorded properly in the court transcript. You have to treat every point as if it's vital since you don't know what would destroy your case if you fail to cover it properly in the trial.
Hmm, who else watches these videos, but have actually never watched 1 episode of Chicago med.
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He is nice, bt far from inocent
He's wonderful. Not innocent just wonderful. He understands most of the time that patients can be irrational simply because they are a hard time. With this one he was likely wrong because of where he stood. But he's right about correctional institutions, they rarely breed anything but ill.
Dr Charles: He's a confused man who needs some help.
Ms Goodwin: Yeah, like someone else I know.
Dr Charles: What's *_that_* supposed to mean!?
*_Damn . . . Burn._*
「aɞɞʏʟʏɳ 愛」 Yo wtf I was watching that part at the exact same time I read this comment lol
@@BoloDeMrb yeah same
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Dr Charles is like the parent who isn’t angry at you but their just disappointed in you
NBC would be so rich If They let the app be worldwide
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I agree
If you have Amazon prime, you can watch Chicago Med, PD and Fire for free as they are on prime now.
Cadburys Creme Egg have they just become online coz I checked a few hours ago and couldn’t get them?
@@chapman2trappy679 They're all on prime now?!?! YESSS I'M SO HAPPY
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I honestly think that Reese was right cause the look on kellogs face when dr Charles said that he is legally insane was like so smug and then when Reese said he wasn’t then he got so angry cause he lost to opportunity to be in psychiatric care instead of jail
I am just saying it like this: going to a psychiatric ward as a legally insane person is no less a stripment of liberty, however, it comes with treatment, which a dangerous narcissist like Kellogg needs. Putting him in jail is like putting a rabid, sick dog in a dog pen. Less violent inmates might be put at risk. Even more, in prison Kellogg's chances of rehabilitation and resocialization are slim to none. We need to stop using prisons as punishment, to break the cycle we need to help even those that we deem unworthy of help. There is a reason why the American prisons are so full, they are not meant to reduce crime, they are meant to give us sadistic redemption and that's wrong.
@@dustdigger9001 as a pre-med student specializing in psychology, I second this
@@dustdigger9001 A guy like Kellogg indeed is unworthy of help. This guy doesn't need a psychiatric ward or prison. He needs a speed way to the chair. Why are we defending someone like Kellogg who can't be helped
@@TheMitchie21 We can't prove that he can't be helped. It would be very difficult to help him and no guarantee of success but there is a chance, however slim of helping him. We learn later that he died in prison anyway so I suppose the point is moot anyhow.
@@michaelfawcett3856 I'm no a registered psychologist or psychiatrist, but I think psychiatric care would have created more harm in the long-run; in the confines of this clip and discounting his later death in prison. Kellogg also behaved like a violent narcissist alongside a "malignant sociopath," viewing individual people as reflections of his self-worth and holding a high opinion of himself over them. He's similar to a episode-antagonist from Criminal Minds "Ashes to Dust" called VIncent Stiles.
In the latter show, Stiles was described as a highly intelligent underachiever with severe narcissistic character disorder. He craved admiration but lacked as sense of respect or concern for people, all the way to their own property and safety. Stiles would resent other people's independence, yet at the same time expect them to take care of and value him first and foremost. He would project his own views over everyone and everything, to the point of joining an environmental-activist group believing they were all arsonists and encouraged setting fires; yet Stiles did so to kill people, or as a "family annihilator."
Kellogg's portrayal in Chicago Med has a lot of parallels. Psychiastric care would have fed into his attitude or led to him developing stronger entitlement and even more violent tendencies and reactions to anything contradicting his own views. Should somebody grant his sense of being served or giving him attention, he would be amicable and respectful. Yet the slightest contradiction from anyone.....well Dr. Reese's testimony, or Dr. Charles' absence while Robin Charles was undergoing brain surgery, display Kellogg's disposition near-indisputably.
Is it just me who thinks dr Charles looks like the guy from up 😂
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I agree with Dr. Reese. That man showed no guilt at all. If he felt guilty, he wouldn't be smirking, he'd have a touched, grateful smile with tears brimming in his eyes. Anyone can be a narcissist or sociopath, that's not supposed to make them dangerous. Shooting someone for no particular reason is what makes that person dangerous. Most killers are sick in the mind so should they all be forgiven. What about the victims? They need justice
i understand where you are coming from but a phichiatric care facility for criminals is justice, its like jail just more isolated and he isn't a danger to himself or others and hed be locked away for a much longer time period. and true its not supposed to make them dangerous but he is dangerous to everyone around him and he has rage issues and outbursts without thinking, those arent a facade and that's why he needed a psychiatric facility, if it was a facade he wouldn't have lashed out in the middle of court he, would have stayed calm and looked kind of sad so i disagree with reese in her opinion in regards to that.
going to an asylum isn't getting off scott free, not in the lest bit? have you ever seen one? it is jail, if not worse, he will likely be there for much longer then his sentace and he wouldn't have does or killed anyone else. and there is a difference between him and other criminals, other criminals can handle the stress of being in jail without making impulsive stupid decisions like he would
its why hes insane.
An asylum in America is often worse than jail, that is far better justice than prison. The man clearly had some severe mental issues, he needed to be treated properly in a facility meant for people like him.
punishing a sick person who has no agency due to their sickness is not justice. and like the doctor said, he was sending him to an asylum he would probably never leave from, not to a spa. no one is forgiving him. not because of some misplaced altruism like you claim, but because the question of forgiveness isnt applicable to someone who acted without agency. do you forgive the ocean when someone drowns?
@@adamlouis3725 the ocean is not a living thing. A narcissist and sociopath can think and they're aware. They can choose whether to commit violence or not. Schizophrenia is another case
Dr. Charles, the psych doctor who makes sure every insane person gets served right, even if he was the victim.
N tht is stupid
1:36 Ooh Dr. Charles looks like old Leonardo DiCaprio here
Am I the only one who can’t tell him and Matt Damon apart?
You mean Jack Dawson??? lol
Alex Shuysky he’s not called jack dawson lmao😂he plays jack dawson but his names Leonardo DiCaprio
@@janacehfghyre6216 Jack wore that kind of clothes with straps on so I mean to say Jack dawson
Omg yes
Dr Charles is my favorite, I actually cried when he was injured
Same. Dr Charles is the best. He's so nice and calm
Clearly you have good taste in characters. He is my favourite too.
@@michaelfawcett1892 yess 😩
At least dr. Charles was at the med already
Maria Sweeney OMG this is so smart lolll
I love that Sharon was the first to help Dr Charles, their friendship is beautiful 💗
Why would they put a cereal in jail?
Because they call it CEREAL killer! 😁
Cause it’s a CEREAL KILLER
SmithyBot What? No.
Cereal?
It’s serial
Dr Charles: *gets shot*
"ah thats alright some camomile should clear that right up"
Honestly he's a level of Zen and badassery politeness I aspire to be
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Nooooo I know this is fake but I cried when dr Charles got shot
Summer O’Connor yes same
Same man
Oh yeah
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Summer O’Connor same he’s so pure and sweet :/
So I started on one clip because it was on my recommendations and now I’m on clip I don’t even know what number of Chicago Med. I need help.
LSa same here. I have the show on prime video, I don’t know why I don’t watch it there.
Same 😂
We can't blame Sarah for stand up for Dr. Charles she's right for what she did.
'HE'S ALIVE'
'but... Heavy scalp bleeding'
You got me
U got bitlife as ur profile pic
*nice*
Huh?
@@palalavis pelvis
Damn Dr. Charles when he’s angry is like a literal embodiment of my maths teacher!
These are the most openly emotional doctors I've ever seen 🤣 The ethics committee of this hospital must be very busy
It’s not unethical to be emotional.
It’s ill advised because becoming emotionally involved can cloud your judgement.
But caring about people isn’t something to be punished.
Oohhh damn look at Dr Charles with them suspenders they looking sweet
The way Dr Charles looked at Dr Reese when Jack went towards her was everything. He gave her the “I told you so” look 😂
Except that he was wrong once again. That wasn't insanity: that was narcissistic rage. Narcissism is a personality disorder, not a mental illness. The guy was not legally insane.
I love the relationship between reice and dr Charles
reese
It's reese :)
Reese*
*reese
Reese
6:50 I don't see how it is Reese's fault that Kellogg's flakes were soggy.
😂
Reese is the one who is in the right. The guy is a threat and truthfully beyond help. He is cunning, manipulative and a clear danger. Therapy and medication are not going to help someone like this. Sad as it is to admit but there are people in society who are fundamentally broken and cannot be repaired
You do realize that the main reason people who were in jail, are released and keep on the crime path is PRECISELY because they don’t receive the proper therapy and medications.
This is why people “cannot be repaired” it’s like giving chemotherapy to a gunshot wound patient, not the correct treatment therefore no positive result.
Which only shows: You can be dead without ever dying.
who tf are you LOL
you must be fun at parties (and doctor's appointments).
Not therapy but Dr. Charles want to send him to an asylum a place where he can't escape to help him if he go to prison he can gets here like 10 years and not have necessary helps so come back and try to kill somebody else not in an asylum
Don't mistake evil as insanity.
I agree! And look at how the shit smiled when Daniel declared that he was legally insane.
They are very similar sometimes.
Am I the only one who hardcore ships Ms Goodwin and Dr Charles???
No cause in the act Robyn is his daughter and has a mom to prove it's in one of the vids
@@jaymiah091 idc I still ship it
Meeeeeee
Yeah, But I ship them so much, I'm so sad they're not together.
I don't ship anyone in Chicago med and the only reason why is because Chicago med is a very realistic serious show, I don't usually ship anyone on these types of shows
It's hard when you understand both sides. I agree with Charles, that this man needs PROPER care and he needs to be studied over a long period. Something is wrong and jail is probably never going to fix that.
But Reese is also right. Charles is not objective enough, as he knows the paintient and has had enough time to sympathise with him. Not to mention, he probably feels guilty for not being there for his patient when he was needed. So Charles giving him that way out of jail, could also be his guilt. Reese has a good reason to believe that Charles is not being professional- that he even maybe afraid.
And she is right. If they (along with MANY other doctors) had diagnosed the man with narcissim? He would have gotten out without so much as a sweat. And probably become even more dangerous to others. So ultimately; this was the right choice. It is terrible and for a person who has swore to help others like Charles- it is a tough pill to swallow.
Narcissim isn't legally insane. In many cases their impulse control is not impaired. At least, that is my understanding.
i somewhat disagree, what i see a lot of people in the comments are missing is that phychiatric care facilities for criminals are like jail, the only difference is that he gets treated by doctors and he cant indanger himself or anyone else around him, pleeing not guilt due to insaity doesn't mean he gets away scott free, he just doesn't get to be a danger to anyone else. and i agree that he is a narcicist and has antisocial personality disorder, but i think doctor Charles meant that he does have those disorders, but at the time he was having a rage episode and wasn't thinking, it wasn't a cold calculated move like dr reese said, he is way way way more impulsive and his anger isn't a facade, he genuinely cant help it otherwise any person putting on a facade wouldn't have acted out that way in court. he is saying at the time of the crime is was not in his right mind
Curious thing though... in real life if a person is considered legally insane and a verdict placed in light of that and thus sent to a mental institution AFTER a violent crime, then if they happened to have good progression, whether genuine or not, so as to not longer be considered in need of a psych ward, they are NOT released into the streets, but rather placed into a common prison to serve the remainder of whatever term they might have. Of course, that is even assuming they get out of the mental institution, since historically and statistically legally insane criminals have had low rates of progress and discharge compared to other patients, even those who may have "worse" conditions.
Legal insanity isn't a "get-out-of-jail-free card" in real life, not by a long shot. Makes for good drama to treat it that way though lmao
And in later episodes we learn that the pep was killed in prison, and you could tell how it affected both Dr Reese and Dr Charles.
Narcissism is a personality disorder, not a mental illness. Dr. Charles must also know as a professional psychiatrist that it's extremely resistant to treatment. When therapy is forced on a narcissist, the probability of success is literally zero.
Interestingly enough, it is well known in psychiatric literature that health professionals, especially psychiatrists and therapists, are particularly prone and susceptible to manipulation by narcissists. Dr. Charles betrays a certain blindness here in assuming that he alone is immune to it.
But he bought her food and she didn’t have the decency to look at him
Exactly if someone bought me food I’d give them my respect 😀
He had alterior motives..disgusting pig
Coincidence i was eating kelloggs cereal
Lu Luong ah shit
Dr Charles is so funny and understanding and loveable
Alannah Mc Elvaney thanks for reminding me of that nigga who use to be in my ducking dreams
At first I thought hmm maybe Reese was wrong here, but then I realized Dr. Charles has failed by letting a few psycho/sociopaths into the system that could con their way out and pose a big threat in the future
I was slightly confused about why the dude was looking all smug when Charles called him insane. It's not like being locked up in a psychiatric ward is any more fun than going to prison and aren't these types of people - narcissists, psychopaths - usually rather annoyed when people call them insane and say they need treatment since they believe themselves to be fine?
Honestly, he probably should go to the ward. He won't change in prison
Dr Charles, to Dr Reese: “You know how you can help me? Go back to the hospital. Uhh, get me some sliders. Bring me those sliders. Then watch...watch me _eat_ those sliders...
... _Damn, I love me some sliders_ .”
Lol wtf
*_... Damn, I love me some sliders.”_*
It's very hard to determine when a patient like this is legally insane or not, if he is conscious and has control over his actions despites his psychological issues. Any Psychiatrist diagnosis is inevitably subjective.
In a tricky subject as a human mind, maybe Dr Charles and Reesee are being professional and gave an impartial, fair diagnosis, despite their issues with the accused (Daniel's trauma, guilt and ego, Reesee's anger). Their opposite opinions can be because they're over and undervaluing different aspects of the subject's case. They're both valid.
Reesee has as much right as Daniel to gave her opinion in the trial, so Dr. Charles shouldn't get mad about this.
He does because, according to him, the patient is actually too insane and won't get the treatment he needs in jail, and he cares about his patient (something it happens to the doctors of this series constantly) but I think his indignation was a sign he was too emotionally involved with the case to be impartial.
As much as I love Dr. Charles, ones mental illness should not be the reason for another's demise. Meaning, Insanity may be an illness, but you can't use it in favour of yourself to avoid jail time. That's not justice.
Justice comes in many forms for different people. Being sent to an insane asylum isn't an easy way out like many people think. For people that are insane going to jail solves nothing, literally nothing. The fact that Dr. Charles saw that this person was insane and required help means that he saw hope for a better future for his patient.
As for Dr.Reese she let her own emotional feelings cloud her judgement. She couldn't look past her emotion to see that this man needed help. The fact that he cried out for help in his own twisted way completely escaped her. The character of Jack Kellog also died in prison. So not only did she rob this man for of his chance to be helped she also indirectly caused his death.
@@CarlosHuiskens Ik its a show but its still really sad to hear he died in prison, he also killed his wife i heard RIP and God be with them. I think dr. Reese did the right thing here, not saying her emotions didn't cloud her judgement but dr. Charles was too, because of his guilt. When he killed his wife and shot dr. Charles, it was his intent and choice to do so, he showed no remorse of what he did, came after dr. Charles and theres a high chance he would do it again, coming after dr. Charles again and or harming innocent people. Going to an insane asylum is definitely not the easy way out, but like dr. Reese said, theres a high chance he would do it again when he gets out/manipulate things so he gets out earlier and endangering other people.
Dr Rhodes: "How you doing emotionally?"
Dr Charles: "😐...😲Hey! Who's the shrink here?"
Dr Rhodes: "😏"
😂
I absolutely love dr. Charles he’s so into his work and genuinely wants to help people
I really want to meet him but sadly he’s just a character but I feel like just his presents would feel safe and peaceful
I wish I could’ve meet someone like him when I was struggling with mental health problems
He’s kinda inspired me to become a physiologist I always wanted to be a marine biologist but now I kinda wanna become a physiologist become like the person dr.Charles is I wanna help troubled people who struggle I wanna help adolescents with mental health problems I wanna be like dr. Charles
A physiologist? I thought he was a psychiatrist?
Psychologists and psychiatrists deal with mental patients, not physiologists.
@@michaelfawcett2816 i think you can spare the scathing sarcasm, its most likely a spelling error that has been unfortunately incorrectly 'corrected' by their phone. Also keep in mind they're most likely in adolescence or childhood still.
Dr reese is too involved in her feelings, it blinds her from her job
@@jazzycat8917 this isn't about being right or wrong.
This is about the duty of a doctor.
A doctor's duty is to treat illness and save lives, NOT playing hero and acting in the name of Justice.
If she wants to play hero, she should be a cop or a judge , NOT a doctor. When you're a doctor, you're unbiased , you do not prejudice, because all lives are equal in the eyes of doctors.
By succumbing to her emotions, she has already failed in acting like one, because emotions blind one from seeing things objectively , emotions allows you to see things through a tunnel image, you can't think straight when you're emotional.
@Toys n Plus I do not support anyone.
@@jazzycat8917 yes everyones health and safety. Hes not gonna get the help in jail.
@@jazzycat8917 you have the intellect of a bug
@Marks Madmarktigan you have the intellect of a bug
Go back to the hospital’
Dr reese throughout this whole time : OkAy BoOmEr lets get this shit done right
lmaoo
Language
Oh god. I didn’t see this coming.
Aoife Is a tree hey we have the same name😂
Dr. Charles is the definition of ethics.
it's a bit convenient to be shot right outside of a hospital
lmaoo
All I had to say, “If he comes for you again, that’s your own fault.”
How? If anything it’s Reese’s fault, she’s the one who sent him to prison.
@@blanco7726 no, they’re saying that if he had gotten off jail free then it would be dr.charles’ fault for pardoning him
I loved what Sharon did here. It doesn't take a psychiatrist to recognize pure evil.
As much as I admire Dr Charles as a human and a psychiatrist, I think he is seriously misguided here. I completely understand his wanting to help a sick man, but this isn't a schizophrenic patient who kills someone without fully realising what they're doing. This is a malicious man who had clear intent to cause harm to someone else with no empathy whatsoever. Not sure why the writers did this to his character.
Exactly, the reason for lock up is to prevent causing harm to the public, as long as there is intent and capacity, then there is no reason not to put him behind bars
I like that the writers chose to make dr Charles react this way. Yes dr charles is an excellent doctor but even a good doctor and psychiatrist like him can still make 'wrong and bias' choice/judgement when they go through such traumatic events. It shows that dr charles is still a human and that trauma as awful as that can still affect the strongest doctor there is (aka dr Charles).
You do realise the guy tried killing himself a second later, right? Clearly, he was driven to do that and didn’t want to.
I thought Charles was in the hospital speaking with Reese when they got the news that Kellogg was outside somewhere, having shot himself. What is going on???
First one here!
Literally I come here everytime a new video comes out on Chicago MED, Chicago fire, Chicago PD!
ItzUnixPie RBLX I was before you
ItzUnixPie RBLX *19th
I do the same
You guys...
At least I'm here early!
Why is there no Chicago law yet?
I wish I can actually watch the full episodes, but I can only watch these clips 😭
Online sites exist lol
jeremy viruses also exist lol
I'm always the first one to watch Chicago med when a new episode comes out.......kind of😊😊😊😊😊😊
No... Even if you where it doesent make you special. Lol
Is there an excuse for being an insane sociopath?
I was so worried for Dr Charles, he's one of my favorite characters .-.
Please post full episodes for us in the UK 🇬🇧
I really want all of the Chicago series to come to the UK
Brandon Skillen stab wound. Another stab wound. And another stab wound. Oh a drunk guy. Ah another stabwound.
YEEEEEESSSSSS
sky witness
It’s on sky
Location: Belfast or Derry, should be good, for Australia, I suggest Melbourne, my hometown
Do people realise he would spend more time in a psych ward than he would in jail, he definitely showed signs of insanity
He is a angel who don't give up on people no matter what
Logically speaking, if someone is committing an act of terror by shooting, abusing, robbing or kidnapping somebody, justice must be served for those innocent victims who had their lives suddenly taken away. I do believe that criminals have room for redemption to become better humans, but for the shooter in this scene, he deserves a lot more for what he’s done. Even if the doctors help him, he may commit the same crime anywhere else and get away with it easily. Dr. Reese was absolutely right in this, and I totally agree with her. Dr. Charles May have been through a lot way more than the young psychiatrists he knows, but come on! Times are different and young people are becoming more aware of what’s happening, and it’s their decision to do everything they can in moving forward, even getting their rights and justice back on track, not just the victim’s rights, and Dr. Reese was a great example of the right moment to stand up for something as important as this.
She did what was right both subjectively AND professionally as this case is pure black and white. Nothing is in grey area when it comes to an experienced psychiatrist like Dr. Charles being manipulated by the shooter until he fell in the same trap as the shooter! Thank Lord he survived the shot, and the shooter got what he deserved even after killing his own wife
Dr Charles is my Dr House. I admire the heck out of him ❤ 100%
Love the video keep it up
Love Sarah and Dan, they are truly amazing and inspiring
I love that Reese almost sees Dr. Charles as her father figure.
Glad Mr Kellog went to jail... he could have become a cereal killer 😂😂
As a Criminologist I love the vids that relate to mental disorders and criminology on this show. But the amount of people that think they know more on mental disorders pisses me off I swear. 😂 Anyways, great show. ❤️
I love Oliver Platt, he is a very good and an accomplished actor, he has been in a lot of movies and television shows, he does excellent work as Dr Daniel Charles on Chicago Med, he is underrated, Dr. Charles is smart, caring and very good at what he does, he is the best.
Dismissing criminal charges on the grounds of mental health is lunacy. It should NOT be an option at all. At all.
I agree.
I'm on Dr. Reese's side on this one. Mr. Kellog easily shot Dr. Charles and himself. It could happen again if he's out. Luckily, they both survived the first shooting he did. What more can he do if he's outside? I know it's dangerous in jail, but he needs to pay for what he did.
They should do a Chicago Law.
They did Chicago justice and it got canceled after 1 season
the prosecutor in this clip is actually one of main characters on chicago justice
Chicago Justice,. Was already done, but got cancelled, the producer of this trilogy, was the creator of Law and Order (not in Chicago, but in NY) and now airing Law and Order: SVU
@@matildab.7954 why did it get cancelled?
@@cheesenugget9845 "it was canceled due to sustainability and real estate for other programs." according to wikipedia
I think Charles is the most professional of them all and that nobody can say otherwise, absolutely everybody in that hospital let their emotions take control, therefore practicing bad medicine. He is VERY experienced and knows MUCH MORE than a STUDENT. He was the only one that thought about that life, everybody else thought about the doctor and not the patient. He did what was ethical and right as the doctor of that man, that's what I hope to be when i become a doctor myself.
I agree that most of the time, Doctor Charles is a good man that gets it right. But not this time. Should Reese have gone over his head? Maybe not. But the guy was clearly not what Doctor Charles thought he was.
Dr Charles is one of the most professional doctors in the hospital but he's still a human. He is not invisible to an awful traumatic event (such as getting shot by his own patient who didn't realize had tendencies to hurt others) affecting his objectivity. It's understandable that it affects his judgement and that's why other people, who may not have as much experience as him, but way more clearheaded step in and give their professional input (like dr reese and goodwind).
@@albiegelea2829agreed.
sharon is so inspirational, i need her in my life more 😂
They both had their reasons and points but in the end, Charles was proven right to a degree, his prediction for what would happen if Kellogg were sent to prison came true.
DR CHARLES NOOOOOOOOO
Omg the hight difference dr Charles is so tall and what is with that random line on his head inbetween his eyebrows
I nearly cried when Dr Charles got shot. He's the nicest man ever!
I swear dr Charles and dr manning take everything easy like when she broke her water she’s like “no, I broke my water 🙂” and doctor Charles is like so calm. I’d be screaming in pain
The white lawyer is in law and order svu sorry dont remmber his name
Aayatem Aayatem stone?
Yeah it’s peter stone.
He started in Chicago Justice and when that show ended then he moved to law & order svu
And he also played Michael Stonebridge in "Strike Back"
the prosecutor is actually one of main characters on chicago justice
I’m just relieved that dr Charles _survived_
Same here
Dr. Charles is absolutely correct. His patient is a troubled man that he wants to help. Given his 30 years of experience in psychiatry, he knew that the suspect is a troubled person. Dr. Reese just wants to avenge her mentor. Remember that psychiatry before Dr. Philippe Pinel, was a branch of penology instead of a medical subspecialty (During that time, the insane are treated like criminals and chained like animals). Dr. Charles is the modern counterpart of Dr. Philippe Pinel, the father of modern psychiatry.
Yes but he is also involved and a traumatizing ecperience like that can affect you. That's why dr. Reese stepped in. I heard the character dies in prison and ik its a show but its still really sad to hear he died in prison, RIP and God be with him. I think dr. Reese did the right thing here, not saying her emotions didn't cloud her judgement but dr. Charles was too, because of his guilt. When he shot dr. Charles, it was his intent and choice to do so, he showed no remorse of what he did and theres a high chance he would do it again, coming after dr. Charles again and or harming innocent people. And going to an insane asylum is definitely not the easy way out, but like dr. Reese said, theres a high chance he would do it again when he gets out/manipulate things so he gets out earlier and endangering other people.
I've never seen the entire series but Dr Charles is def my favorite
6:57 The smile on the Cop trying to Restrain Mr. Kelloggs was Creepy O_O
i love dr charles so much he’s so adorable
I’m not sure the show would do nearly as well without Oliver Platt
Any law students here..insanity v automatism
If i was dr Reese and jack just started going off like that i would be like "actually nope, he's insane, adios i got patients to treat."
Fav yt channel
Dr Charles : he is not guilty
Me : yes he is
INSOMNIAC WHEN I CAN'T SLEEP THIS IS LIKE RELAXING FOR ME RESPECT TO ALL
I'm not the type of person who wishes bad things on people but this man deserves to go to jail
0:27 "Do you know who i am?"
Dr Charles "BOOBA"
I love Dr Reese. I can certainly sympathise with her.
Man, the hospital staff all look pretty horrified in the background.
The lawyer in trial is the same character in SVU as Deputy Chief Christian Garland. But the Chicago universe is the same universe with SVU. I’m so confused.
This is a very rare occasion where someone needed to be the doctor Charles to the actual doctor r Charles.
Doctor Charles is my favorite character! Crazy he got shot!😮
Love that Sharon is so worried about him
Dr Charles is so sweet
Harry potter half blood prince.....
Note only for Harry potter fans
DUMBLEDORES FALLL
WHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
😭😭😭😭
Why bruuhhhh
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO US?????!!!!????!!!???!?!?!?!?!??!!??!!!???
Btw Dr Charles is I'm,e DUMBLEDORE of hospital, so he fell in the half blood prince