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This is a biased video in most regards. To start with AMD GPU's didn't compete, let alone defeat nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 or upwards GPU's, which were the GPU's used to compare ampere GPU's. AMD however always compare itself to intel and happened to beat the 10th gen intel laptop CPU. It's only fair intel returns the favour
@@anandnarahari then please explain why intel is stupid enough to put 4 physical cores for i9, i7, i5 and 2 physical cores for i5 and i3 (edit : i type i3 as i7 lol)? For real tho 2 cores! Come on, we are not in 2005. If intel put 6 physical cores in i9 and even i7 maybe i'll consider to buy their product. But 4 cores? And their lowest flag ship only included 2 cores! Wow how low intel can be
Intel: They are not benchmarks, we only use work flow tasks. Only AMD uses benchmarks, benchmarks are useless in the real world. Work flow task by intel are the only real use case applications.
@@1Vaudevillian1 Right, and they would have to 'benchmark' those real world applications to show accurate numbers to quantify which brand's products is truly faster. So, it's still benchmarks in the end.
Very interesting the Intel Marketing Team CAN remember AMD Naming but can't remember their own, seems to say something about how good their CPU naming is
RDNA2 on the upcoming AMD 6000 Series will compete with RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. For the RTX 3090 AMD will have no answer to yet. AMD will increase core count to up to 64 cores and 128 threads and there is a rumor of a 128 cores 256 threads CPU, but as someone already mentioned, improved clock speed and IPC to up to 4.5Ghz with a boost to 4.7Ghz on the AMD side. Even though Intel is scared off AMD after Intel released their 11th Gen i7-1185G7 15W & i7-1185G7 25W as an answer to AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, the 4900H is still kicking ass as seen on a video from Hardware Unboxed.
They can't blacklist "Gamers" Nexus when Intel's current identity (in its crisis) is to be the "gaming" processor (because that's the only place they have something over AMD... for now.)
i thought they were most scared about their own names. i mean... you wouldnt say "platform" if you would have a name for it or... "the name shall not be said?"
it won't matter... this is why i moved to laptop.. old borad don't work with new cpu and gpu so if you had to get new borad, ram, cpu and gpu... every 2 fucking i may well just buy whatever laptop currently in the market... easily to cheap while my fuckig 15 years old pc still work fine.. since i used it to play early xbox 360 port game..
I can see it now: Intel - We don't recommend you use the mainstream benchmarking software, they don't make us look good. We have made our own benchmarking software and it shows that we are the best. Try it and see for yourself. Also intel - Rigs their proprietary software to detect amd cpus and deliberately reduce their score.
@@campkira laptop is bad value tho, unless ur into portability since laptop are more expensive than desktop counterparts while being very underclocked if not plugged in. Plugging in to get maximum performance is like getting a desktop already. But maybe ur student or travels frequently so laptop might be better value
Intel needs to remember the old adage: it is better to remain silent and make people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
@@johnwick5918 They are now using a better factory than the original planed 7nm one, they will be coming out next year at 6nm. I'm pretty excited to see what Intel can do in the full sized GPU space. It's going to be a very competitive 12 months. Great for gamers to have 3 solid choices.
12:20 "Intel is saying it has ascended beyond benchmarks. It's moved on into the greater plane where Apple resides where things are built on magic and unicorns and single button mice"
Intel has hit the marketing trifecta: 1. Change your logo so you're unrecognizable. 2. Confuse your customers with asinine product names. 3. Talk about your competition so much it gets customers interested in them. Throw in shady practices over the years for the cherry on top! 👍👍
"Intel is saying that it has ascended beyond benchmarks. Moved in to the greater plane where Apple resides, where things are build with magic, unicorns and single button mice." - solid gold. One of the most gloriously written sarcastic texts I've heard on this channel. Made my day.
Whats really sad is that some people really think everything Apple builds is beyond anything available on normal PC's, even the hardware they don't build them selves is special, if is on Apple machines. I add a debate with a Apple fanboy one time (don't do it), when he was claiming Apple hardware was just something special compared to normal PC's, I said, do you know Apple doesn't do their own CPU's anymore? They are using Intel CPU's just like the PC? He rapidly said to me, yes I know but Intel is selling Apple their best CPU's and selling the worse ones for the PC's! I totally face palmed that is how delusional Apple fanboys are, is like a religion.
Intel CEO: "Do this presentation in a way the audience can't tell we are 110% scared of AMD and absolutely panicking" Intel staff: "Yeah no problem" [*One tiger lake naming scheme later*] * DONT BUY THE 4800U, WE SWEAR WE ARE STILL RELEVANT!!!! *
But those wifi 6 modules... GIGABIT WIFI! Seriously, I couldn't find a single vendor other than Intel for those AX modules. Processor side, at least they have good software support. About all I can say right now.
@@LiveType I do have an Intel card in my all AMD system for wireless networking. That said, WiFi 5/AC was still gigabit, or at least some sku's were it's confusing, the one I've got is definitely gigabit and it's from a couple years back, Intel AC 9260.
@@LiveType I could not get a wifi card with Intel's AX200 to work. I went with one that has a "slower" Broadcom BCM4352, but it works flawlessly. Intel's shitty card was fast alright- for all the three seconds at a time it managed to work. No drivers or connection settings could hammer the thing into working without dropping packets all. The. Time. Apparently I'm not the only one that had these issues.
Intel: Our CPUs are 2x as fast in a test that has different settings for our chips than can be used with the competition. Everyone: How fast is it using the exact same settings though? Intel: *crickets*
@@adriankoch964 yo should also understand that it takes efforts and investment to make that happen. Like Apple puts efforts to make Mac more optimized.. Intel is just doing the same thing. AMD uses brutal force and likes to throw more cores at all problems, Intel tried to optimize for a smarter solution.
@@ferrarione4708, ether that or they are back to old ways. paying developers of much used programs to optimise for Intel and disable said optimisations for any competitor even if they might support it. they have done it multiple times before and they are sleazy enough to do it again. or you can take the Apple approach and just lie and if someone calls out on it just say "it's not an comparable product"... like they did with the G5 "the worlds fastest workstation" completely ignoring that any machine with AMD Opteron would run rings around it because "it had to run Windows, and was therefore not comparable even if they could run the same programs".
Benjamin Hale Do you have any idea what Ai "artificial Intelligence is"? Intel has it and NO conventional benchmarking software tests for it. It speeds up commonly used applications by a lot. It knows what you're going to do next before you even do it! It also removes background noises while using a microphone.
I'm still running a decade-old i5-2500K. Intel never gave me a good reason to upgrade, in a fucking decade. I'm finally building a new system, and upgrading to-you guessed it-Ryzen.
@@Ash_Lawless the 4800U only has a 1.8Ghz base clock. it's the low power model. the 4800H is the top end model that team blue should have used to compare to their top end model.
@@johngaltline9933 No, comparing it with the 4800U is fine, since they were the same class of CPU based on power. The 4800U is a 15-25W part, the i7 @#$@7G is a 12-28W (numbers are from memory, but should be close enough), so they are direct competitors in the same segment. Even a closer match like the 4900HT at 35W, is a completely different class and would decimate Intel's part since is made of "golden" silicon and competes directly with the 45W 4800H, so is unfair to compare them, even if the intel samples floating around do boost at around 35W. The other thing is that at the same power envelope, a 4 core 8 thread CPU like Intel's is going to win some times, since the AMD ones will have to share that power with double the cores and threads. AMD could counter with a high clocked 4300U.. but those are conceptually the bottom of the barrel in silicon quality and don't have enough Vega cores to be competitive. So is unlikely we would see an apples to apples comparison in this generation... at least in this specific market segment.
They wanted to establish dominance over AMD by bringing the fight directly to them, verbally speaking... Instead they completely cemented and validated AMD as a legitimate competitor... Did they not run this presentation by a test group?
The dual jab at Intel and Apple with the "it has moved onto the greater plane where Apple resides where things are built on magic and unicorns" haha love you guys
3:46 "Measured using 2x human ears with 3 passes per ear, validation pass with 2x human eyes" That benchmarking method is far more sophisticated and advanced compared to anything intel is doing rn
ruclips.net/video/aFHBgb9SY1Y/видео.html "Matrox" ??, Its been a long time since I have seen that name on a benchmark. (And how do you make the timestamps?)
To be fair, there is fortunately no dual core i7 anymore. At least people who loved those dual core i7s have fair upgrade path. but oh no! AMD is selling hexa core CPU at that price that is faster, runs cooler, has lower power consumption and is faster.
@@ibrahimoshodi4472 presumably something to do with increasing graphics EU's by 50% per segment. It allows them to look miles ahead in benchmarks that are optimized for a graphics coprocessor regardless of actual CPU performance. Potentially useful in some thin&lights where having a dGPU isn't ideal. Also it allows them to achieve higher single-thread frequencies, which again looks good in many benchmarks that aren't optimised for high thread count
Granted that in April 2003 AMD introduced x64 with Opteron and had a monopoly, finally Intel licensed it in June 2004 as EM64T in the Xeon LV. 8k video emerged at NHK in March 2005, and it took until March 2017 for an 8k computer display (Dell UP3218K) to come out, and finally integrated graphics with 8k@60Hz (4:2:0) or 8k@40Hz (4:4:4) using DP 1.4, without the south bridge latency, where one can directly from a laptop see 2 x 5 pages in full res, or 10bpc pictures 1:1, not to mention the 8k videos on RUclips for which the Xe performance should suffice. Not sure why AMD does not integrate ATI graphics especially for notebooks or other SFF.
@@vasheroo Yamiks... my bad. Any way, hes a Elite dangerous content RUclipsr who is known for his commentary including lots of speaking about the dead horse.
"Intel is saying that it has ascended beyond benchmarks. It's moved into the greater plain where Apple resides, where things are built on magic and unicorns and single button mice, for example" Damn, I love me some Savage Steve.
man, BK could advertise nothing but big macs and MCDS could advertise nothing but whoppers and sales would increase at both stores, such is the public.
@@Battlecry45 Plus a few more registers, plus a few new instructions, oh, and a few existing instructions operate a little differently on 64-bit registers than they do on 32-bit and smaller registers.
Man, Lisa Su must be laughing hard watching intel presentation that abundance of salt in the intel presentation Lisa Su used for cooking the next day.....
Francesco Pisani I don't know how Wiki got that information since Intel "super finfet" technology has only just started production. They likely have their 10nm+ chips to evaluate.
@@wysetech2000 The 4800U is an ultra-low power chip. Base clock is only 1.8 GHz. There's 4800H and HS and 4900 chips that have the same number of cores as the 4800U but base clocks around 3-3.3 GHz. There's even a 4600 or 4700 chip with 2 fewer cores but bases clocks close to 3 GHz. Basically, Intel are bragging about a new car beating a pedestrian on a cross-country trip.
There is a reason why Nvidia doesnt mention "competitors" in its announcement - because there is no direct competitor for 2080(Ti). Thus they can only compare to themselves.
@@odaneriley5023 Big Navi looks nice, but AMD drivers are usally unreliable in the first few months, which will probably mess with benchmarks and direct comparisons
They still nedd to keep the 00 though because higher is better, right. Easiest Name would be: first digit = gen, second digit = core count. Ryzen 48 == > 4th gen, 8 cores Ryzen 44 == > 4th gen . 4 cores and so on. For mobile, hust add an U For higher clocks just add an X That remains a dream I guess
@@adityapatel9735 It's not really equivalent when it only exists in such limited applications. Plus, whether Zen 3 uses 7nmP or 7nm+, they will be definitively ahead of intel 10nm.
I love how their product classes don't even mean anything. You might think the i7-7500U is a good chip because it's an i7, recent generation, and the last 3 digits are not low numbers. It turns out it's laughed at by the i5-8250U and it's only about 35% better than a dinosaur like the i5-2450m (which already had a ~16% lower boost clock).
“Intel is saying that it has ascended beyond benchmarks, it’s moved into the greater plane where Apple resides, where things are built on magic and unicorns.” I’m dying of laughter here haha!!
Still kinda wild that several years ago, Intel would've laughed at the notion of AMD being even slightly competitve. Now they've spent the last few years desperately trying to keep up with them.
Nyeh, as much as I prefer AMD intel is still far more established and has a larger share mainly because the people who actually buy the majority of computers (normal people buying prebuilts for themselves or lots of prebuilts in bulk for work) still know and trust intel, are susceptible to misleading intel marketing and don't keep up with tech and the possible benefits of AMD processors. It takes a while for the advice of the enthusiast community to trickle down into the mainstream. But if AMD keeps up the good work, another 5 years and they'll have half or more. If tho.
Intel is trying deperately to keep up? Its more like AMD has finally caught up with intel. Both have a different approach. Basically for office work it doesn't matter which one. For high end gaming intel is overall better, for heavy multithreading AMD is overall better. For doing both on mid level it doesn't matter.
@@brudel001 nahh..high end gaming that bang for the bucks AMD won this time around..intel just being salty over AMD and they promoting AMD by calling their names multiples time in their promo video but not their own name product..such a shame when legendary name being salty over newcomers..
The sarcasm in this video has reached a critical mass and collapsed into a singularity. Hardware historians now call this amount of sarcasm that results in a singularity the Burke Metric.
Data returning from a satelite sent to probe one such recently formed singularity detected strong emissions of premature opinions, bad jokes and memes laying directly underneath the surface. The preferred theory at this time is that this type of singularity is a nexus directly into gamers.
Now we can calculate how much sarcasm compressed in what amount of time can collapse into a stable singularity... that's Burke's shield, calculated with Burke's equations (which btw is a far easier name than the one we have for black holes, which to this day I still don't know how to write)
@@gamer7138 To be more precise, 20 cores and PCIE 4 is required if you want to 100% utilize the upcoming Samsung PRO SSD with , if i remember well, 24GB/s speed. If you want that yes, buuuuuuuuut and that was the point of this sentence here comes RTX I/O which leaves the CPU out (mostly). Hear the full sentence please, It wasn't about AMD or Intel it was about NVIDIA saying "look at my beatufil d*ck, how large and erect it is"
@@gamer7138 I dont think nvidia cares about amd as much as people think they, personally i think amd is in their decision process when they come up with price to performance but the real reason why they made gpus so good is because of what they consider the real competition which is consoles as even if they are trash, atleast in 2020 they are equivalent to like a 1400$ pc for like half the price and we cant change that so what nvidia has done has made it so a 1400$ pc with 3000 series would reck a console even if it cost more its also better in performance as well as the fact that its a computer instead of a internet router that can play games
@starshipeleven well you can argue its the same for intel or any company even if intel chips aren't great people are gonna not only be looking at how they compare to amd but also previous gen as if the difference isn't huge people will just buy the cheaper gen if they go intel. While on the other hand Nvidia is destroying there 2000 series but tbf that whole series was overpriced like crazy cause of rtx only should have been bought by people who have lots or money or early adopting enthusiast it was smarter to wait for 2nd gen so they can spend 2 years well making it better. AMD cpu also get a decent uplift from previous gen and will do so most likely so on and on as well as their gpu the 5700xt is a great card or it was before 3000 series expect for driver issues way better than rx 590 and stuff
Intel 10nm is out and it is denser than TSMC. Look it up before you flap your unknowing AMD band wagon gum. Intel work with vender to meet their needs. AMD has been coping Intel. Remember core2 duo, Intel glued two Pentium 3 together and AMD cried fowl play and than they glued theirs together and Intel didn’t say anything. AMD charge a ton for their thread ripper and I don’t see you fanboy complaining about the pricing. Intel is about innovation and building it on their own and giving you good products. Yes, competition is good for us consumers. Intel leap ahead and AMD will also. Back and forth. When Intel was ahead, you fan boy still bashed Intel, I find it funny. I still wouldn’t buy AMD. My i9 9900 does not run hot. Runs everything and it is the fastest gaming rig than AMD. I can’t wait for more of Intel future products. You fanboy cried for MHz, that’s what Intel is giving you. Embrace it, use it, stop your crying
@@DzinkyDzink Matrox makes video cards, and used to be a competitor to Nvidia and ATI, back in the days, now they do mostly stuff for enterprise and niche markets. That joke was hilarious, bravo GN.
I remember when Intel refused to acknowledge AMD's existence. LMAO INTEL: Our "imitators" use Cinebench 20 while our AMD64-based CPUs use SYSMark 25. This is why Intel CPUs make your keyboard feel slimy.
Avro Arrow I still have a 7 yo i5 think pad that works like new and the keyboard doesn't feel slimy whatsoever. Marketing has nothing to do with how it works or lasts. I take marketing for what it is and it's only marketing. A company trying to sell their products.
"Imitator" is what Intel used to call AMD 30-or-so years ago, and Intel lost that court case (it's not imitation when Intel sold AMD a license to produce x86 CPUs). Why are they bringing it back up after all these decades? It just makes them look petty and childish. There's so much cross-licensing in x86 space that both are, in a sense, imitators of the other. Has Intel forgotten who's 64-bit instruction set is implemented in x86 processors?
losing access to the AMD64 instructions would be catastrophic for intel but at this point i dont think any of them can afford to mess with the status quo. so the only thing left is shade and salt.
The era of pure X86_64 64bit instructions is probably closer and left all those X86 32 bit all together completely for good, and then AMD being a total jerk, revoking the cross licensing of its X86_64 instructions.. Leaving Intel no choice but to have reanimated intel's own itanium x64 instructions.. Is that even possible..?
@@moccagringo2311 This would be a complete fucking nightmare if that were to ever happen. If they were to stop licensing the x64 instructions and revoke access retroactively to older CPU's as well through a simple microcode/BIOS patch, well the almost 70% of the computers around the world might stop functioning, it would look like a real life Y2K ... Assuming intel didn't have a finished and well polished version of itanium x64.
This is probably my favorite GN video ever, I have never laughed at a tech news commentary as much as with this video. The contrast between Nvidia and Intel's releases should be an exercise used in marketing schools.
It's like Ford and Holden(subsidiary of GM) in their power wars here in Australia before they both went belly up. Ford couldn't match the GM V8s and so claimed that the power figure doesn't matter, and it's about delivery and smoothness, etc. Then Ford gor their hands on Jag's V8 and a supercharger, and suddenly overtook Holden. Ford's rhetoric about power not meaning anything suddenly shifted, and then Holden started saying that the number doesn't matter.
@@MrMagamarc Intel and AMD had both ups and downs, but yeah, it was impressing for AMD to hit 1,000Mhz compared to the 100Mhz which Intel had at the time. AMD definitely does have some stunning achievements
@@MrMagamarc they were the first to create an x86-64 architecture. big difference since intel's 64bit architecture which was first but also useless at the time since you had to emulate 32bit. 99% of all applications at the time were 32bit and thus it never got off the ground.
The 4800u is a real CPU not an "imitator", also it's the only CPU people will remember from this car crash of a presentation. How can such a massive corporation be so petty it's amazing.
They are like a jealous kid that's mad because another kid has a better toy than he has lol... Intel makes it seem like a baby fight... Where Intel is the cry baby
Sad thing is Tiger Lake is an actual effort made by Intel. A decent one. A decent 10nm node, a good architecture to take advantage of it and good iGPU to boot. Such a shame their marketing department does a fart hard not comparing to their previous generation. Next year Intel better pull hard on Rocket Lake and Alder Lake while comparing to Comet Lake hard if they want any respect back from consumers.
well Intel had "glued together CPU's" before AMD with the Pentium D series ;-) I used to own one of those, they were OC beasts but latency was bad between the cores but not something we really knew much about back then
You are the probably the only person that count Matisse 2 as a generation. And no. AMD’s mobile lineup still uses PCIE3, even the AM4 laptops, the Clevo board is a B450. TGL is the first mobile chip to offer PCIE4.
@@fie1329 none of them and it's likely because the mobile oem's don't have a need for it. the added cost of pcie 4.0 on laptops would be pretty drastic to the point where it could potentially hurt sales.
Maybe a little bit like: So here's my pizza oven... ... and it's not from AMD and it's better than the AMD product which is made by AMD, because AMD can't compete with it's competitor.
Intel lost me as a future customer for 2 reasons.. 1. When they decided to remove all their older “legacy” hardware drivers and bios files from their website. I’ve kept all the machines over the years I’ve built (desktops) and bought (laptops). 2. They keep making cpus with the security flaws and didn’t patch all the older platforms.
For me it was when they hired Will.i.Am as a creative director. That was the nail in the coffin for me. I already hated Intel for their dishonesty and straight up illegal behaviour, but they did have the leading products and AMD was simply not competing. But I still went 1100T over the Intel competition.
Yup. If you're into retro systems that database was a Godsend. Intel taking it down struck me as a moronic penny pinching thing to do that wasn't worth the dubious savings (It's INTEL, they can afford the infrastructure to store a few dozen gigabytes of old drivers, bioses, and documentation!) for the goodwill it cost them amongst enthusiasts. And the security flaws? Well, this is what happens when you stick with variations of a single micro architecture for a decade (or more, I've seen some arguments that these flaws go back to the Core 2 days)!
Intel has been dishonest for years. Remember why apple is so late to the 5g game? Because they stole qualcomm's 5g specs and hired intel to build off the qualcomm architecture and got popped doing it. Qualcomm doesn't sell to apple for this reason and intel processors are years behind in the cellular processor game for this slap on the wrist
@@YourPalHDee 1100T was a boss. Phenom 2 was good, people just didn't want to believe it. It OCed very well. I ran my 940 for several years at 4ghz and was never gaming limited. The new core i7 platform was expensive due to the MB/ddr3 and the C2Q were aging and we're not beating perf unless you bought the top chips (cheaper ones couldn't OC much). I had friends with c2q and they couldn't keep up. The glue wasn't that good. Plus, I was just never going to buy from criminals.
Dear Su, I wrote you, but you still ain't callin' I left my login, my page file, and some benchmarks at the bottom I added two cores back in autumn, but you already got 'em We're still having problems with the fab process or somethin' Sometimes I scribble release dates too sloppy when I jot 'em Your biggest fan, St̶ wan
I really liked your dry humor at 12:20, you should do it more often. It was funny as hell, when you read the part about the benchmarks from the sheet of paper, I couldn't stop laughing.
Intel: Cinebench are for plebs, we benchmarked Adobe, Chrome, and Nero. Meanwhile: Chrome wants more RAM, Adobe always crashes, and Nero hasn't been used since Windows XP.
They should have tossed in Hercules, 3DFX and Silicon Graphics to fully represent the list of formerly competing companies nVidia didn't talk about but had a major hand in destroying through less than ethical means.
@@alrizo1115 I think it's been made perfectly clear that the gpu division of AMD is the bastard step-child of the company. They don't try to be the best, they go for "good enough". They succeed at that as nVidia's pricing, generally, sells a lot of AMD cards. It was nice to see nVidia not do 50-100 % price increases for a change between generations.
@@alastairgreen_Nexus pretty sure AMD's gpu outlook is producing value over performance. They can't really compete with nVidia on performance, but the best value gpu on the market for, what? Five years now? is a RX480-580. It 's far from the best gpu out there, but price to performance? Yeah, it's there. Personally, I just bought a 2070 (Newegg flash deals are great!). But my secondary rig is a mini ITX with a 580 in it, lol.
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why the hell all intel products are all 4 core? like dude r7 H series had 8 cores. i won't buy whatever that trash is called, amd all the way.
Second reply let’s go my screwed up sleep schedule is good for something
This is a biased video in most regards. To start with AMD GPU's didn't compete, let alone defeat nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 or upwards GPU's, which were the GPU's used to compare ampere GPU's. AMD however always compare itself to intel and happened to beat the 10th gen intel laptop CPU. It's only fair intel returns the favour
Intel quit throwing shade at Amd.
Continues to throw shade on Intel.
@@anandnarahari then please explain why intel is stupid enough to put 4 physical cores for i9, i7, i5 and 2 physical cores for i5 and i3 (edit : i type i3 as i7 lol)? For real tho 2 cores! Come on, we are not in 2005. If intel put 6 physical cores in i9 and even i7 maybe i'll consider to buy their product. But 4 cores? And their lowest flag ship only included 2 cores! Wow how low intel can be
Steve can benchmark literally anything, even the marketing performance😆
But does jesus have a benchmark for their video lengths over the years?
@@fnige Jesus can ofcourse do that, if Jesus can even benchmark marketing Jesus can do anything. We should make a Bible of Benchmarks
Benchmarketing
Everytime intel say don't benchmark my impression of them drops.
@@heinrichmonkkler6635 but can he benchmark his benchmarks?
They benchmarked how many times Intel said “AMD” lmao
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No no no, benchmarks are Bad... they did a Real World comparison on how many times Intel said "AMD"
Benchmarks are meaningless so it doesn’t matter how many times Intel brought up AMD.
LMAO
They even benchmarked Jensen. MATROX! Kek.
Intel: *releases new presentation*
AMD: "its free marketing"
Intel presentation slides
AMD: It's Free Real Estate
Lol yeah
Intel pulled both videos, re-uploaded them, I don't know what the changes are, but comments and likes are disabled.
@@chubbysumo2230 oof
@@chubbysumo2230 they are mad😂😂😂😂😂
AMD living RENT FREE in Intel's head.
*Intels Chip* it was right there
It's more of a Temple Run situation
AMD inside (Intel)
Whats worse for intel now is they cannot cover up a lie and comparing something w hich is not apples to apples.
@@Mixz1890 Hades Canyon NUC
Intel: Because AMD is faster on worthless benchmarks, we're only going to talk about the worthless benchmarks that we are faster on!
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesss LOL
The entire presentation explained in one sentence
Intel: They are not benchmarks, we only use work flow tasks. Only AMD uses benchmarks, benchmarks are useless in the real world. Work flow task by intel are the only real use case applications.
@@1Vaudevillian1 Right, and they would have to 'benchmark' those real world applications to show accurate numbers to quantify which brand's products is truly faster. So, it's still benchmarks in the end.
@@testoyt Intel mentioned AMD so many times I was beginning to think it was an advertisement for AMD. 🤣
"The AMD 4800U, is on the left. The Intel 11th gen.................Platform, is on the right." 🤣🤣🤣
Very interesting the Intel Marketing Team CAN remember AMD Naming but can't remember their own,
seems to say something about how good their CPU naming is
I litteraly read that while it was playing lol
Who could forget the i7- 1185g7 such a memorable name
@@Evandrus it is Intel® Core™ i7-1085G7 not what you typed
@@arya20j4 ???
AMD's new marketing campaign: "The Ryzen 7 4800U, so great of a CPU, even Intel can't stop talking about it. Buy one today.
🤣🤣🤣
AMD was talking about Intel Broadwell CPU on Zen+ reveal
good for them i have no idea why they made an i7 7th gen on a laptop dual core fuck them for that
RDNA2 on the upcoming AMD 6000 Series will compete with RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. For the RTX 3090 AMD will have no answer to yet.
AMD will increase core count to up to 64 cores and 128 threads and there is a rumor of a 128 cores 256 threads CPU, but as someone already mentioned, improved clock speed and IPC to up to 4.5Ghz with a boost to 4.7Ghz on the AMD side.
Even though Intel is scared off AMD after Intel released their 11th Gen i7-1185G7 15W & i7-1185G7 25W as an answer to AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, the 4900H is still kicking ass as seen on a video from Hardware Unboxed.
@@wywlf6912 you'd think we'd be way past dual core in 2020. I guess Intel doesn't think so
Gamer Nexus: "Unless AMD goes back to 14nm, and adding pluses to the end of their products then AMD is not an imitator"
Me: that burn
A burn so hot it makes the 6700K look frosty.
"intel Black Listed Gamer Nexus"
"It was not very effective"
"It doesn't affect Gamers Nexus..."
Steve this is a God tier video. Thanks
"Intel hurt itself in its confusion."
They can't blacklist "Gamers" Nexus when Intel's current identity (in its crisis) is to be the "gaming" processor (because that's the only place they have something over AMD... for now.)
@@blancneige4952 it's a joke. You are the fun guy at the parties
Number of times Steve said:
Intel: 78
AMD: 36
APPLE: 1
NVIDIA: 11
Mouse mats: 1
Steve you need to promote your product more.
I was going to click "retweet" but I noticed I'm on RUclips
Matrox: 0
Yeah right, hes talking way too much about others instead of his own products, makes him look petty ...
He said Intel more then intel presentation
Damn mousemats are constantly on backorder, I think they're fine :)
Interviewer: Hey Intel, can you tell us what scares you the most?
Intel: AMD's Ryzen 4800U.
Tbh the low multi-core score of 1185G7 makes 4800u win, again, in certain scenarios.
No, it's their own product names.
They didn't even talk about the 4900, xddd
AMD's pricing is its biggest strength.
i thought they were most scared about their own names.
i mean... you wouldnt say "platform" if you would have a name for it or... "the name shall not be said?"
Intel switched their *logos to classic mode* to *increase performance* by reducing graphics.
Your comment is fucking with my head - is half of it in bold? Wth
@@natebit7167 yeah lol
LOL 🤣🤣🤣
@@DivSharp on dark mode I can barely tell between bold and normal so I was like wtf
1.05X the performance for 2X the price.
intel: "something big"
us: "is it the price tag?"
if only. it's more like 0.49x the performance for 2x the price
@@toomanyyokes6415 TIMESTAMPS
the logo is twice as big
@@kittystar4874 amd fanboy?
Geez Intel...
So here's Steve:
"Hey Intel, I heard you like benchmarks, so I benchmarked your benchmarks"
Oh god your right
Holy.
Xzibit Just popped up at my screen ...spooky...
"Measured using 2 x human ears with 3 test passes per ear, validation pass with 2 x human eyes"
Steve has a methodology for everything measurable
Glad someone noticed the hard testing methods we developed!
@@GamersNexus and still GNs measuring methods come out as "2x" more readable than Intel's.
Was there any ear or eye injuries due to the testing
GN should get ISO9001 certified just because.
Did they clarify that they have approval for human testing? Remember that lives matter... 😜
Intel: "You shouldn’t rely on benchmarks (especially our competitor who is killing us). Rely on our benchmarks."
Yeah . . . sure.
Double standards
it won't matter... this is why i moved to laptop.. old borad don't work with new cpu and gpu so if you had to get new borad, ram, cpu and gpu... every 2 fucking i may well just buy whatever laptop currently in the market... easily to cheap while my fuckig 15 years old pc still work fine.. since i used it to play early xbox 360 port game..
I can see it now:
Intel - We don't recommend you use the mainstream benchmarking software, they don't make us look good. We have made our own benchmarking software and it shows that we are the best. Try it and see for yourself.
Also intel - Rigs their proprietary software to detect amd cpus and deliberately reduce their score.
@@campkira laptop is bad value tho, unless ur into portability since laptop are more expensive than desktop counterparts while being very underclocked if not plugged in. Plugging in to get maximum performance is like getting a desktop already. But maybe ur student or travels frequently so laptop might be better value
@@398birbs8 That is not true, I'm rocking a laptop from 2013 with an i7-4700MQ, undervolted and is basically the same as an i7-2600K.
Intel needs to remember the old adage: it is better to remain silent and make people think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln.
Joe Biden needs to follow this quote...
@@moby1kanob He did that's how he won the election. He let Tronald dump take himself out.
@@moby1kanob Americans need to follow this quote.
"Until AMD goes back to 14nm and starts adding +es to the end of it, it's not imitating"
🤣🤣😂😂😂
LOL so true steve knows hahahaaha
This was absolutely savage
Intels new GPUs are 6nm.. don't write them off just yet
Thomas smith are they ready tho. What happen to 7 nm
@@johnwick5918 They are now using a better factory than the original planed 7nm one, they will be coming out next year at 6nm. I'm pretty excited to see what Intel can do in the full sized GPU space. It's going to be a very competitive 12 months. Great for gamers to have 3 solid choices.
12:20 "Intel is saying it has ascended beyond benchmarks. It's moved on into the greater plane where Apple resides where things are built on magic and unicorns and single button mice"
"single button mice" just gave me a stroke, i am now full of fear and have suffered a trauma.
my favorite is the magic wrist pain when i use said mice..
Apple 🍎 =$2 Trillion.
Intel = Junk bond status.
@@Sharpless2 You only need to fear if you're dumb enough to buy Intel in this day and age.
@@AvroBellow i agree to this but sadly, there are still people that buy intel in 2020.
proudly sent from a ryzen 5 3600 system lmao.
Intel has hit the marketing trifecta:
1. Change your logo so you're unrecognizable.
2. Confuse your customers with asinine product names.
3. Talk about your competition so much it gets customers interested in them.
Throw in shady practices over the years for the cherry on top! 👍👍
LOL
🤣
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Just wait next year.. Intel gonna release i7 87638992y5e7uh2636dhd77e6wjdhyG which is more faster than i9 875527886527262765427e76G
And to think hat someone got a great promotion for each one of your points #corporateamerica
I thought I was the only 1. You can't name your own CPU?
"Intel is saying that it has ascended beyond benchmarks. Moved in to the greater plane where Apple resides, where things are build with magic, unicorns and single button mice." - solid gold. One of the most gloriously written sarcastic texts I've heard on this channel. Made my day.
Whats really sad is that some people really think everything Apple builds is beyond anything available on normal PC's, even the hardware they don't build them selves is special, if is on Apple machines.
I add a debate with a Apple fanboy one time (don't do it), when he was claiming Apple hardware was just something special compared to normal PC's, I said, do you know Apple doesn't do their own CPU's anymore? They are using Intel CPU's just like the PC? He rapidly said to me, yes I know but Intel is selling Apple their best CPU's and selling the worse ones for the PC's! I totally face palmed that is how delusional Apple fanboys are, is like a religion.
@@Argoon1981 I actually didn't want to make it a "who hates Apple more" thread. That's just a well written, witty line.
Mock Apple all you want, but they've got to be doing *something* right to make money hand over fucking fist for 10 years.
@@RonJohn63 like how the ccp capitalise their citizen for over a few decades?
@@MrValgaav7 And I agree just wanted to put that out here because that line reminded me of that debate.
Intel CEO: "Do this presentation in a way the audience can't tell we are 110% scared of AMD and absolutely panicking"
Intel staff: "Yeah no problem"
[*One tiger lake naming scheme later*]
* DONT BUY THE 4800U, WE SWEAR WE ARE STILL RELEVANT!!!! *
But those wifi 6 modules... GIGABIT WIFI! Seriously, I couldn't find a single vendor other than Intel for those AX modules.
Processor side, at least they have good software support. About all I can say right now.
@@LiveType intel is good for networking and ssd.
@@LiveType I do have an Intel card in my all AMD system for wireless networking.
That said, WiFi 5/AC was still gigabit, or at least some sku's were it's confusing, the one I've got is definitely gigabit and it's from a couple years back, Intel AC 9260.
@@LiveType I could not get a wifi card with Intel's AX200 to work. I went with one that has a "slower" Broadcom BCM4352, but it works flawlessly.
Intel's shitty card was fast alright- for all the three seconds at a time it managed to work. No drivers or connection settings could hammer the thing into working without dropping packets all. The. Time.
Apparently I'm not the only one that had these issues.
@@alhdgysz ssd??? Intel doesn't support pcie gen4 while amd does
Intel: Our CPUs are 2x as fast in a test that has different settings for our chips than can be used with the competition.
Everyone: How fast is it using the exact same settings though?
Intel: *crickets*
Time to release compiler optimization libraries again that make the competition run as slowly as possible.
@@adriankoch964 They already tried to kill the MKL workaround.
@@adriankoch964 yo should also understand that it takes efforts and investment to make that happen. Like Apple puts efforts to make Mac more optimized.. Intel is just doing the same thing.
AMD uses brutal force and likes to throw more cores at all problems, Intel tried to optimize for a smarter solution.
@@ferrarione4708, ether that or they are back to old ways. paying developers of much used programs to optimise for Intel and disable said optimisations for any competitor even if they might support it.
they have done it multiple times before and they are sleazy enough to do it again.
or you can take the Apple approach and just lie and if someone calls out on it just say "it's not an comparable product"... like they did with the G5 "the worlds fastest workstation" completely ignoring that any machine with AMD Opteron would run rings around it because "it had to run Windows, and was therefore not comparable even if they could run the same programs".
Benjamin Hale Do you have any idea what Ai "artificial Intelligence is"? Intel has it and NO conventional benchmarking software tests for it. It speeds up commonly used applications by a lot. It knows what you're going to do next before you even do it!
It also removes background noises while using a microphone.
"Since we don't like losing, we changed the rules of the game so that we win no matter what."
Sound like modern politics
sounds like China Communist Party, and Joe Biden.. oops
@@izurite trumpers still exist? Lol
@@muzzle_4717 lol whatever :P
"Inept at best, sleazy at worst."
Intel: *Why not both...?*
"How efficient of you."
Porque no los dos?
lol
because then they would have to pay double the salary!
@@zero_chevalier STAMPS??
"Why doesn't Intel compere it to old Intel"
Probably because old Intel performs exactly the same as new Intel
You're a few years too late to realize that but i guess you cant help it
Yo did you hear about the 10 series GPUs?
Based internet explorer
I'm still running a decade-old i5-2500K. Intel never gave me a good reason to upgrade, in a fucking decade. I'm finally building a new system, and upgrading to-you guessed it-Ryzen.
If even internet explorer finds out you know it's been true for a while.
What I got out of Intel's presentation is that AMD's 4800u is REALLY GOOD.
especially when you dont cover all the airflow so it throttles down to 2.3ghz LOL
as of right now, there is not a single laptop available with the 4800u =(
@@Ash_Lawless the 4800U only has a 1.8Ghz base clock. it's the low power model. the 4800H is the top end model that team blue should have used to compare to their top end model.
@@johngaltline9933 No, comparing it with the 4800U is fine, since they were the same class of CPU based on power. The 4800U is a 15-25W part, the i7 @#$@7G is a 12-28W (numbers are from memory, but should be close enough), so they are direct competitors in the same segment. Even a closer match like the 4900HT at 35W, is a completely different class and would decimate Intel's part since is made of "golden" silicon and competes directly with the 45W 4800H, so is unfair to compare them, even if the intel samples floating around do boost at around 35W.
The other thing is that at the same power envelope, a 4 core 8 thread CPU like Intel's is going to win some times, since the AMD ones will have to share that power with double the cores and threads. AMD could counter with a high clocked 4300U.. but those are conceptually the bottom of the barrel in silicon quality and don't have enough Vega cores to be competitive. So is unlikely we would see an apples to apples comparison in this generation... at least in this specific market segment.
They wanted to establish dominance over AMD by bringing the fight directly to them, verbally speaking... Instead they completely cemented and validated AMD as a legitimate competitor... Did they not run this presentation by a test group?
Even test groups like to troll.
Test Group Remember Itanium. Test Group Never Forgets. Test Group Never Forgives.
🤣
STEVE: "Until AMD goes back to 14nm and start adding pluses to the end of it, it's not really an imitator. "
ME: /spits drink
Shots fired.
Oh snap!
A burn hotter than their TDP output.
@@anch95 Witty! haha
911 I wanna report a murder...
17:17 - 4800U running at 2.3GHz, instead of the normal 3.1GHz+ sustained boost.
Intel magic probably have purposely put it on a pan to thermal throttle while Intel laptop is inside dry ice lol
That's a good catch. Fishy as hell lol
We should bump this to bring it to Steve's attention
Absolutely disgusting
Exactly, I thought Why was it running slow ??
The dual jab at Intel and Apple with the "it has moved onto the greater plane where Apple resides where things are built on magic and unicorns" haha love you guys
GN's character is heavily spec'd into dual wielding i guess....
And single button mice
ruclips.net/video/PEEQzIdboaI/видео.html RTX 3080 first benchmark leaked comparison with RTX 2080 TI. The bench were leaked and were encrypted.
3:46 "Measured using 2x human ears with 3 passes per ear, validation pass with 2x human eyes"
That benchmarking method is far more sophisticated and advanced compared to anything intel is doing rn
ruclips.net/video/aFHBgb9SY1Y/видео.html "Matrox" ??, Its been a long time since I have seen that name on a benchmark.
(And how do you make the timestamps?)
definitely
@@michaelsiiger8727 just type the timestamp: e.g. xx:xx
We : So it's all quad cores
Intel : Always has been
To be fair, there is fortunately no dual core i7 anymore. At least people who loved those dual core i7s have fair upgrade path.
but oh no! AMD is selling hexa core CPU at that price that is faster, runs cooler, has lower power consumption and is faster.
Why did they cut down on cores?
@@ibrahimoshodi4472 to make room for all those +++++ on the die.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM belly cracking statement
@@ibrahimoshodi4472 presumably something to do with increasing graphics EU's by 50% per segment. It allows them to look miles ahead in benchmarks that are optimized for a graphics coprocessor regardless of actual CPU performance. Potentially useful in some thin&lights where having a dGPU isn't ideal. Also it allows them to achieve higher single-thread frequencies, which again looks good in many benchmarks that aren't optimised for high thread count
"The dead horse can still take more beatings." Thank you Steve I'm going to borrow that.
I think Yammiks beat him to that one by a really long shot
@@torcheddreadnought899 who's yammiks?
Granted that in April 2003 AMD introduced x64 with Opteron and had a monopoly, finally Intel licensed it in June 2004 as EM64T in the Xeon LV. 8k video emerged at NHK in March 2005, and it took until March 2017 for an 8k computer display (Dell UP3218K) to come out, and finally integrated graphics with 8k@60Hz (4:2:0) or 8k@40Hz (4:4:4) using DP 1.4, without the south bridge latency, where one can directly from a laptop see 2 x 5 pages in full res, or 10bpc pictures 1:1, not to mention the 8k videos on RUclips for which the Xe performance should suffice. Not sure why AMD does not integrate ATI graphics especially for notebooks or other SFF.
@@vasheroo Yamiks... my bad. Any way, hes a Elite dangerous content RUclipsr who is known for his commentary including lots of speaking about the dead horse.
Me: "Damn, i need a good combination for my lock"
Intel: "I got u fam"
Creative
Ffs this tickled me 😂😭
Dead lol
But who will ever remember their lock combination after that? Lol
But how do you put in a G? Substitute it with 6?
So your lock combo is 118567? Got it
"Intel is saying that it has ascended beyond benchmarks. It's moved into the greater plain where Apple resides, where things are built on magic and unicorns and single button mice, for example"
Damn, I love me some Savage Steve.
"Excuse me sir, I am looking for a laptop with 11th gen processor" Which one? "I dont know, just give me one with a 4800U"
What a true free real estate...
Jajjajaja
gold
LOL so true," excuse me i want a Intel 4800u laptop", or "hi i want one of this new 4800u laptops"
That’s was really GOOD!
Could you imagine if McDonald's couldn't shut up about Burger King and Whoppers? How are people not getting fired for this? Cracks my ass up.
@Why / Not? Please keep bashing intel, so I can buy the stock low before it skyrockets :)
"How are people not getting fired for this?" is kinda harsh.
man, BK could advertise nothing but big macs and MCDS could advertise nothing but whoppers and sales would increase at both stores, such is the public.
@@jackmiller8851 BK have the Big King which is their own big mac, do McDs have a whooper rip off?
@@E6hosting kind of. Quarter Pounder with cheese Deluxe, or McRoyal Deluxe in Europe and probably other places that use metric.
Intel is getting PTSD from the name “AMD Ryzen”
Intel killed my dog.
Wow y u have to edit it man I liked how it used to be
they're jealous of product names you can actually remember
Stop it patrick, you're scaring him
@@tommihommi1 what you can't remember i7-1169420-666 15w smh
Intel is like that one Ex who can'y get over you.
😂😂😂😆
"UnLiKe OuR ImItAToRs" They could not sound more insecure if they tried 🤣🤣
Competition is healty.
Get over it and be better.
What's healty?
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 It's how people from Dublin say 'healthy'.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 :o
@@CBadger Nah I think it's a typo.
@@anthonycarsius9494 ∑(O_O；)
Intel "imitated" the AMD64 instruction set after Itanium flopped...
To be fair. Amd64 is just a wider IA32
@@Battlecry45 Plus a few more registers, plus a few new instructions, oh, and a few existing instructions operate a little differently on 64-bit registers than they do on 32-bit and smaller registers.
@@angolin9352 And AMD 64 was based on and backwards compatible with Intel's X86.
@@tskraj3190 which was very clever !
Intel actually did tried to imitate the AMD64 as EM64T, but failed on a few instructions were not compatible and had to cross license it from AMD.
3:35 This is the best graph you guys have done yet 😂🤣
*higher is better
That graph was some gold
I hope they didn't make it a drinking game
I love the notes at the bottom. "Higher is better" lol.
Delta R over baseline Θ hahahaha. Should say "lower is better" tho, if we assume that's good for Intel.
Man, Lisa Su must be laughing hard watching intel presentation
that abundance of salt in the intel presentation
Lisa Su used for cooking the next day.....
yeah, and for cooking she also used an intel i7 @ 5.1Ghz with a stock cooler
@@xXxIonutCSxXx LMAO
Funny how she now did a similiar great job.
Seems to be a thing in the the industry lately..
"SOMETHING BIG IS COMING!" - Me every morning, after drinking my coffee.
add some fibre, bro. that can't be very healthy.
A big, fat turd. Did you know that there is 30 forms of brown thing? Fun fact!
LOL!
Snap! 💩💩💩
I love coffee
Can we all just start referring to the blue company as "AMD's Competitor"
"AMD's Imitator"
That blue company makes enough money in a SINGLE QUARTER to buy the whole AMD each quarter.
Intel, the early chip maker from the 1900s...
@@antoniorsoftware Then why is it comparing itself to AMD so much?
XDDDDDD YES
Intel: "The 4800U is AMD's fastest mobile processor."
Zen 2 Wikipedia page: "There's 4 AMD SKUs faster than this, Intel."
laughs in 4900/4800H(S)
Francesco Pisani I don't know how Wiki got that information since Intel "super finfet" technology has only just started production. They likely have their 10nm+ chips to evaluate.
@@wysetech2000 The 4800U is an ultra-low power chip. Base clock is only 1.8 GHz. There's 4800H and HS and 4900 chips that have the same number of cores as the 4800U but base clocks around 3-3.3 GHz. There's even a 4600 or 4700 chip with 2 fewer cores but bases clocks close to 3 GHz. Basically, Intel are bragging about a new car beating a pedestrian on a cross-country trip.
Wouldn't be surprised if AMD releases a "R9 4950U" and "R9 4950HS" between now and March.
@@tIhIngan That comparison is not even close!
There is a reason why Nvidia doesnt mention "competitors" in its announcement - because there is no direct competitor for 2080(Ti). Thus they can only compare to themselves.
they compare to themselves too. the new 30 series coming soon, they compare it to the 2080ti, both Nvidia product
When big navai release nvidia will have diorreah
@@odaneriley5023 Big Navi looks nice, but AMD drivers are usally unreliable in the first few months, which will probably mess with benchmarks and direct comparisons
yeah agreed
maybe ssomeday intel and nvidia have competitors
the Advanced Micro Devices a.k.a AMD
Zbrkesbris you commented to soon you should update your statement 😂
AMD wins an important benchmark:
the easiest product name to pronounce.
Intel Cry Like-1782894KG Extreme @4.5ghz
They still nedd to keep the 00 though because higher is better, right.
Easiest Name would be: first digit = gen, second digit = core count.
Ryzen 48 == > 4th gen, 8 cores
Ryzen 44 == > 4th gen . 4 cores
and so on.
For mobile, hust add an U
For higher clocks just add an X
That remains a dream I guess
@@fie1329 so ryzen 39.5X would mean that some tech illiterate people will ask "does this point five means that we'll get half a cpu core"
Me, a noob on a budget stumbled on ryzen CPUs: Wow, cpu's name is so confusing
intel: hold my silicon
@@jazmihamizan4987 just ditch the .5 It's a 16 core part from third gen with high clocks so it is the Ryzen 316X
Intel : "Something Big!"
Also Intel : "New flagship Mobile i7 4 CORES CPU"
No Wonder all the "benchmarks" were about the iGPU performance.
@starshipeleven its 10nm process, which is equivalent if amd 7nm. But it has low yields for higher core count.
@@adityapatel9735 It's not really equivalent when it only exists in such limited applications. Plus, whether Zen 3 uses 7nmP or 7nm+, they will be definitively ahead of intel 10nm.
I love how their product classes don't even mean anything. You might think the i7-7500U is a good chip because it's an i7, recent generation, and the last 3 digits are not low numbers. It turns out it's laughed at by the i5-8250U and it's only about 35% better than a dinosaur like the i5-2450m (which already had a ~16% lower boost clock).
@@asm_nop yeah I have no idea where the SKUs are on the performance/price scale.
@@asm_nop There should be some slight IPC improvement since 2nd gen. But then again is 2nd gen 14 nm lol
“Intel is saying that it has ascended beyond benchmarks, it’s moved into the greater plane where Apple resides, where things are built on magic and unicorns.” I’m dying of laughter here haha!!
Aww, leaving out the best bit... ("and one button mice...") =)
@@jubuttib My cousin had one of those and I had to use his mac. That was the moment where I got convinced meself apple sucks.
An honest new slogan:
“Intel: We never stop imitating”
Still kinda wild that several years ago, Intel would've laughed at the notion of AMD being even slightly competitve. Now they've spent the last few years desperately trying to keep up with them.
And also trying to sway the audience to believe that when they say “real world” scenario we all have the same thing happening. 🤪
Nyeh, as much as I prefer AMD intel is still far more established and has a larger share mainly because the people who actually buy the majority of computers (normal people buying prebuilts for themselves or lots of prebuilts in bulk for work) still know and trust intel, are susceptible to misleading intel marketing and don't keep up with tech and the possible benefits of AMD processors. It takes a while for the advice of the enthusiast community to trickle down into the mainstream. But if AMD keeps up the good work, another 5 years and they'll have half or more. If tho.
Intel is trying deperately to keep up? Its more like AMD has finally caught up with intel. Both have a different approach. Basically for office work it doesn't matter which one. For high end gaming intel is overall better, for heavy multithreading AMD is overall better. For doing both on mid level it doesn't matter.
Lisa Su laughing all the way to the bank. AMD is flat out killing it
@@brudel001 nahh..high end gaming that bang for the bucks AMD won this time around..intel just being salty over AMD and they promoting AMD by calling their names multiples time in their promo video but not their own name product..such a shame when legendary name being salty over newcomers..
My God... Calling AMD "imitators" sounds so insecure and unprofessional. Weak energy for real.
486 DX2 - never forget, never forgive.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery they should be flattered lol
Extremely low testosterone from Intel.
@@TheOmegaAlfa the 486dx2 was a good laptop processor I dont understand what you mean
Little peter energy
Intel: 'its average!"
I see that Intel has to talk bad over ryzen 4000, because they are afraid that Amd is stealing market share in the laptop market.
They are shitting themself, 4800U haunted their dreams
Intel's "Something Big" was adding "Pathetic" to their existing strategy of being dishonest and underhanded. Fantastic.
That's a nice roast
The sarcasm in this video has reached a critical mass and collapsed into a singularity.
Hardware historians now call this amount of sarcasm that results in a singularity the Burke Metric.
Burke Horizon
Data returning from a satelite sent to probe one such recently formed singularity detected strong emissions of premature opinions, bad jokes and memes laying directly underneath the surface. The preferred theory at this time is that this type of singularity is a nexus directly into gamers.
18:20 This video is the baseline for sarcasm, measured at 1.0 Burkes. Intel's next marketing video will have +28% more Burkes.
Now we can calculate how much sarcasm compressed in what amount of time can collapse into a stable singularity... that's Burke's shield, calculated with Burke's equations (which btw is a far easier name than the one we have for black holes, which to this day I still don't know how to write)
Matt J. Dylan And if he holds a steady level of sarcasm, we can then call it the Burke constant.
Nvidia: Not mentioning any competing product.
Intel: "You're doing it wrong!"
Nvidia: "No... you are doing it wrong. You have competitors."
@@death-by-ego Nvidia did talk about AMD sort of by mentioning PCIE gen 4 and 20 core CPU for the needed performance for their top GPU
@@gamer7138 To be more precise, 20 cores and PCIE 4 is required if you want to 100% utilize the upcoming Samsung PRO SSD with , if i remember well, 24GB/s speed. If you want that yes, buuuuuuuuut and that was the point of this sentence here comes RTX I/O which leaves the CPU out (mostly). Hear the full sentence please, It wasn't about AMD or Intel it was about NVIDIA saying "look at my beatufil d*ck, how large and erect it is"
@@gamer7138 I dont think nvidia cares about amd as much as people think they, personally i think amd is in their decision process when they come up with price to performance but the real reason why they made gpus so good is because of what they consider the real competition which is consoles as even if they are trash, atleast in 2020 they are equivalent to like a 1400$ pc for like half the price and we cant change that so what nvidia has done has made it so a 1400$ pc with 3000 series would reck a console even if it cost more its also better in performance as well as the fact that its a computer instead of a internet router that can play games
@starshipeleven well you can argue its the same for intel or any company even if intel chips aren't great people are gonna not only be looking at how they compare to amd but also previous gen as if the difference isn't huge people will just buy the cheaper gen if they go intel. While on the other hand Nvidia is destroying there 2000 series but tbf that whole series was overpriced like crazy cause of rtx only should have been bought by people who have lots or money or early adopting enthusiast it was smarter to wait for 2nd gen so they can spend 2 years well making it better. AMD cpu also get a decent uplift from previous gen and will do so most likely so on and on as well as their gpu the 5700xt is a great card or it was before 3000 series expect for driver issues way better than rx 590 and stuff
"until AMD goes backward to 14nm and adds plusses" - low key savage and I love it
Jason Ruschmann AMD can’t even make their own 22nm
"AMD announces the 2900XT+ processor, built on the refined Zenlake SkyPlus Plus Architecture"
@@mahn540 does that matters now? intel on 14nm+++++++ performed worse than tsmc 7nm
@@mahn540 I thought Intel was trying to cram the TSMC stock with their chips in order to put AMD's manufacturing on hold🤔
Intel 10nm is out and it is denser than TSMC. Look it up before you flap your unknowing AMD band wagon gum. Intel work with vender to meet their needs. AMD has been coping Intel. Remember core2 duo, Intel glued two Pentium 3 together and AMD cried fowl play and than they glued theirs together and Intel didn’t say anything. AMD charge a ton for their thread ripper and I don’t see you fanboy complaining about the pricing. Intel is about innovation and building it on their own and giving you good products. Yes, competition is good for us consumers. Intel leap ahead and AMD will also. Back and forth. When Intel was ahead, you fan boy still bashed Intel, I find it funny. I still wouldn’t buy AMD. My i9 9900 does not run hot. Runs everything and it is the fastest gaming rig than AMD. I can’t wait for more of Intel future products. You fanboy cried for MHz, that’s what Intel is giving you. Embrace it, use it, stop your crying
This reminds me of Toyota's marketing: "Like a Toyota? Just get a Toyota!"
Agreed, at least Toyota is reliable.
At least you can ride it from point A to B forever
Toyota> car
Intel be like: It's not "leviosa", it's "levi-oh-sah"
Stop 😂😂
Started a coughing fit after reading this, 😂
@@captainfeathersword1131 Same here 🤣
Oarghhhhhhh
this is amazing.
14:24 "I need more soldiers" has scared me for life
I lost it all when Steve said that
Pain
What is the refference?
"The Intel.. 11th gen... platform is on the right"
This is pure gold!
Some monitor models are easier to remember than these ones...ouch
"The dead horse can still take more beatings" LMAO!
Holy crap, that “Matrox: 0” chart slayed me. God damn it, these people have a family.
What is it?
@@DzinkyDzink Matrox makes video cards, and used to be a competitor to Nvidia and ATI, back in the days, now they do mostly stuff for enterprise and niche markets. That joke was hilarious, bravo GN.
Can I get a timestamp Captain?
@@WigglyWings 4:20 Bro, bottom part of the chart.
@@WigglyWings 4:38
"Benchmarks though are not sufficient.." Now take a look at these benchmarks! 😄
They're their benchmarks
I was laughing so hard when Steve comes on screen and says Intel is announcing their 4800u 😂
RIP Intel marketing department. They have no clue what they’re talking abt
lmao "benchmark numbers though, are not sufficient"
Benches don't matter... also here's benches where we win
Lol you can kind of see Steve’s “WTF level” increase as his paper notes become more disheveled while he’s pointing out ridiculous bull shit 😂
I remember when Intel refused to acknowledge AMD's existence. LMAO
INTEL: Our "imitators" use Cinebench 20 while our AMD64-based CPUs use SYSMark 25.
This is why Intel CPUs make your keyboard feel slimy.
Avro Arrow I still have a 7 yo i5 think pad that works like new and the keyboard doesn't feel slimy whatsoever. Marketing has nothing to do with how it works or lasts. I take marketing for what it is and it's only marketing. A company trying to sell their products.
I mean, AMD used the "X86" architecture before that. It's pretty much how the game has to be played with the patent laws.
@jvalex18 That was NOT my point and that was that my keyboard doesn't feel slimy just because it's Intel.
@jvalex18 Ask Intel avoton about that. It managed to f) (c in the ass all major nas brands.
@@wysetech2000 jokes, learn what does that word mean
'Single button mice' that totally killed me! Your sense of humor is something else in the tech world Steve
Should be called “Trigger Lake”.
Terrorist Lake more like it. Their CEO funded to BLM riot.
Wilting Cove
@@MrEscanaba well, they do come from Israel.
That shit would be THE MOST accurate product naming ever LOL
I'd probably buy one just for the naming
@@MrEscanaba Well, if that's true i'm gonna have a whole other reason to never buy intel products again... :I
"Imitator" is what Intel used to call AMD 30-or-so years ago, and Intel lost that court case (it's not imitation when Intel sold AMD a license to produce x86 CPUs). Why are they bringing it back up after all these decades? It just makes them look petty and childish.
There's so much cross-licensing in x86 space that both are, in a sense, imitators of the other. Has Intel forgotten who's 64-bit instruction set is implemented in x86 processors?
losing access to the AMD64 instructions would be catastrophic for intel but at this point i dont think any of them can afford to mess with the status quo. so the only thing left is shade and salt.
@@nicolasinvernizzi6140 yeah, AMD has them over a bit of a barrel there.
*Whose
The era of pure X86_64 64bit instructions is probably closer and left all those X86 32 bit all together completely for good, and then AMD being a total jerk, revoking the cross licensing of its X86_64 instructions.. Leaving Intel no choice but to have reanimated intel's own itanium x64 instructions..
Is that even possible..?
@@moccagringo2311 This would be a complete fucking nightmare if that were to ever happen. If they were to stop licensing the x64 instructions and revoke access retroactively to older CPU's as well through a simple microcode/BIOS patch, well the almost 70% of the computers around the world might stop functioning, it would look like a real life Y2K ... Assuming intel didn't have a finished and well polished version of itanium x64.
Oh, Steve, please...
12:20 "Intel is saying that it has ascended beyond benchmarks"
Children are watching, that is too savage.
Intel to AMD looking at those market shares: "I'm not crying, *you're* crying!"
AMD fanboy are dubious to the facts. 1.9 bill to 19billions.
@@mahn540 THE PRESENTER CAN'T EVEN SAY NICHE (NEESH) CORRECTLY!
@@mahn540 And yet Intel is still crying about that time they were losing stock value to AMD after that 7nm news debacle.
CHECKMATE INTEL SHILL. XD LOL
@@mahn540 only 2x the market value for 10x the revenue. you can see how optimistic are people and investors are for the **future** of semiconductor.
I will be a AMD fanboy until I die I can unlock any AMD locked CPU and overclock to the max without bottlenecking or overheating seals the deal
This is probably my favorite GN video ever, I have never laughed at a tech news commentary as much as with this video. The contrast between Nvidia and Intel's releases should be an exercise used in marketing schools.
Jensen basically perfected marketing at this point, and I love and hate the guy for it at the same time
Steve hit this one out of the park. AMD may have no marketing but that's still better than what Intel is doing
Some wise man said
"It is YOU against YOU, if you focused on the others you already lose."
This just really shows how good AMD has gotten in the last couple years.
"Benchmarks are useless except the one that make us look better of course.."
- Incel
Wasn’t it Intel who stated “benchmarks don’t matter”? - suppose they only matter when they don’t make your product look like overpriced dogshit.
Synthetic benchmarks don't matter...real world benchmark matter. Need to get the point right
@@tcsee what does ai has to do with mobile form factor?
@@tcsee Blender isn't synthetic.
@@tcsee You mean Excel and Word my 8 yo 2700k can do it .Benchmarks should be Adobe AE PS PR and Blender .And AMD is faster
It's like Ford and Holden(subsidiary of GM) in their power wars here in Australia before they both went belly up. Ford couldn't match the GM V8s and so claimed that the power figure doesn't matter, and it's about delivery and smoothness, etc. Then Ford gor their hands on Jag's V8 and a supercharger, and suddenly overtook Holden. Ford's rhetoric about power not meaning anything suddenly shifted, and then Holden started saying that the number doesn't matter.
12:08 "our imitator" LOL!
And notice how they've disabled the likes and dislikes because they're so afraid of the ratio!
I can't even find the presentation video on Intel's YT page. Which video are you referring to, where they disabled likes and dislikes?
AMD was the first to Dualcore, the first to hit 1Ghz and invented the 64bit Architecture.... imitators.
@@MrMagamarc Intel and AMD had both ups and downs, but yeah, it was impressing for AMD to hit 1,000Mhz compared to the 100Mhz which Intel had at the time. AMD definitely does have some stunning achievements
Disabling likes and dislike is kind of common though...
@@MrMagamarc they were the first to create an x86-64 architecture. big difference since intel's 64bit architecture which was first but also useless at the time since you had to emulate 32bit. 99% of all applications at the time were 32bit and thus it never got off the ground.
The 4800u is a real CPU not an "imitator", also it's the only CPU people will remember from this car crash of a presentation. How can such a massive corporation be so petty it's amazing.
AMD: It's free real estate.
They are like a jealous kid that's mad because another kid has a better toy than he has lol... Intel makes it seem like a baby fight... Where Intel is the cry baby
Intel copied AMD64 LOL
Intel still sour about 10nm?
Sad thing is Tiger Lake is an actual effort made by Intel. A decent one. A decent 10nm node, a good architecture to take advantage of it and good iGPU to boot. Such a shame their marketing department does a fart hard not comparing to their previous generation.
Next year Intel better pull hard on Rocket Lake and Alder Lake while comparing to Comet Lake hard if they want any respect back from consumers.
Calls AMD the "imitator" and then goes to show the PCIe Gen 4 support that AMD had since like TWO GENERATIONS.
Remember Itanium, Intel? We do.
well Intel had "glued together CPU's" before AMD with the Pentium D series ;-) I used to own one of those, they were OC beasts but latency was bad between the cores but not something we really knew much about back then
You are the probably the only person that count Matisse 2 as a generation.
And no. AMD’s mobile lineup still uses PCIE3, even the AM4 laptops, the Clevo board is a B450. TGL is the first mobile chip to offer PCIE4.
To be fair, Support PCIe4 can't be copy, as it was not created by AMD, it's a industry-wide Standard.
Oh, well, thats interesting news to me. Which AMD mobile part has PCIe Gen 4 support again?
@@fie1329 none of them and it's likely because the mobile oem's don't have a need for it. the added cost of pcie 4.0 on laptops would be pretty drastic to the point where it could potentially hurt sales.
Intel should learn from Nvidia
Next year Intel's CEO: So here's my pizza oven........
excellent
Pizza ovens are sweet 😆
You mean, Intel CEO: Here's my oven powered(heated) by Intel CPUs.
Maybe a little bit like: So here's my pizza oven... ... and it's not from AMD and it's better than the AMD product which is made by AMD, because AMD can't compete with it's competitor.
@@Wizongod nope
powered by the AMD's competitor
Intel lost me as a future customer for 2 reasons..
1. When they decided to remove all their older “legacy” hardware drivers and bios files from their website. I’ve kept all the machines over the years I’ve built (desktops) and bought (laptops).
2. They keep making cpus with the security flaws and didn’t patch all the older platforms.
For me it was when they hired Will.i.Am as a creative director. That was the nail in the coffin for me. I already hated Intel for their dishonesty and straight up illegal behaviour, but they did have the leading products and AMD was simply not competing. But I still went 1100T over the Intel competition.
Yup. If you're into retro systems that database was a Godsend. Intel taking it down struck me as a moronic penny pinching thing to do that wasn't worth the dubious savings (It's INTEL, they can afford the infrastructure to store a few dozen gigabytes of old drivers, bioses, and documentation!) for the goodwill it cost them amongst enthusiasts. And the security flaws? Well, this is what happens when you stick with variations of a single micro architecture for a decade (or more, I've seen some arguments that these flaws go back to the Core 2 days)!
I actually just noticed this when I went to download an okd Wi-Fi drivers for an old Wireless N card I needed to use... When did they do this?
Intel has been dishonest for years. Remember why apple is so late to the 5g game? Because they stole qualcomm's 5g specs and hired intel to build off the qualcomm architecture and got popped doing it. Qualcomm doesn't sell to apple for this reason and intel processors are years behind in the cellular processor game for this slap on the wrist
@@YourPalHDee 1100T was a boss. Phenom 2 was good, people just didn't want to believe it. It OCed very well. I ran my 940 for several years at 4ghz and was never gaming limited. The new core i7 platform was expensive due to the MB/ddr3 and the C2Q were aging and we're not beating perf unless you bought the top chips (cheaper ones couldn't OC much). I had friends with c2q and they couldn't keep up. The glue wasn't that good.
Plus, I was just never going to buy from criminals.
When you start comparing yourself to a competitor that's gathering momentum at rapid rate, that only means one thing:
You're scared shitless.
„We also benchmarked Nvidias keynote as a control“ lol.
I literally laughed.
“AMD makes the 4800U?!” Absolutely priceless, thanks Steve for making my day, keep up the good work.
Dear Su, I wrote you, but you still ain't callin'
I left my login, my page file, and some benchmarks at the bottom
I added two cores back in autumn, but you already got 'em
We're still having problems with the fab process or somethin'
Sometimes I scribble release dates too sloppy when I jot 'em
Your biggest fan,
St̶ wan
Hahaha. I love the fans of this channel. Amazing
Gold 😂
That's actually pretty decent lol.
Lol 😂 This is comment is amazing!
Good work.
I really liked your dry humor at 12:20, you should do it more often. It was funny as hell, when you read the part about the benchmarks from the sheet of paper, I couldn't stop laughing.
Intel: Cinebench are for plebs, we benchmarked Adobe, Chrome, and Nero.
Meanwhile: Chrome wants more RAM, Adobe always crashes, and Nero hasn't been used since Windows XP.
yeah, i haven't heard of Nero since the XP days
I am actually pretty surprised that Intel now mentioned Nero for benchmarks 🤣
So now Intel is burning DVDs with Nero for benchmarks?
Lol
AMD living rent free inside Intel's head 😂
"don't get MAD, get AMD" is so bad that I kinda like it.
Don't get mad, get glad!
@@singular9 not happy about this, Daniel
I'm re-watching this video again, no idea why..... Thanks Steve!
4:28
Lol, i like special line for counts of "Matrox" :)
They should have tossed in Hercules, 3DFX and Silicon Graphics to fully represent the list of formerly competing companies nVidia didn't talk about but had a major hand in destroying through less than ethical means.
I've actually recommended someone buy a Matrox card today
Matrox works well enough for "I need an extra display output" purposes. there's a reason servers use them.
@@IanBPPK I thought company is dead. Cool
@@zbynektrajer2735 I'm pretty sure they don't make there own silicon anymore though. They just license tech from AMD and Nvidia.
Steve talks about the difficulties optimizing hardware for video editing
Linus talks about tossing another quadro onto the video editing bonfire
Lisa Su is sitting somewhere in a very comfortable chair, with a glass of wine, randomly giggling like a little girl.
She is like Moana, conquering Tamatoa along with Maui(TSMC) and next it will be Te Ka hopefully
Not with the ampere release.
@@alrizo1115 I think it's been made perfectly clear that the gpu division of AMD is the bastard step-child of the company. They don't try to be the best, they go for "good enough". They succeed at that as nVidia's pricing, generally, sells a lot of AMD cards. It was nice to see nVidia not do 50-100 % price increases for a change between generations.
I wonder if it would turn into that awkward laugh/cry when she remembers the Nvidia presentation
@@alastairgreen_Nexus pretty sure AMD's gpu outlook is producing value over performance. They can't really compete with nVidia on performance, but the best value gpu on the market for, what? Five years now? is a RX480-580. It 's far from the best gpu out there, but price to performance? Yeah, it's there.
Personally, I just bought a 2070 (Newegg flash deals are great!). But my secondary rig is a mini ITX with a 580 in it, lol.