Behringer Reference A800 Amplifier (Budget Beast)(Improvement Over the A500)

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @iowaudioreviews
    @iowaudioreviews  5 лет назад +13

    I spent about 3 months with this amp and so far have been quite impressed. It will be sent off to Audio Science Review to be further analyzed and reviewed to find out if it really is an improvement over the A500. The test results are in click here --> www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/behringer-a800-stereo-amplifier-review.10499/

    • @DREDKNOT2063
      @DREDKNOT2063 4 года назад

      Low audio guy very important question for you. I'm looking to upgrade from my xli 800 for better signal to noise ratio, I was going for outlaw audio model 2200 to match my 976 receiver from them but it's out of stock no telling when it will be back, so after I saw this one a800 an the price I thought it would be a great alternative so to you is this better than the xli 800 an with the gain knobs at 70% how is the heat build
      My current configuration with my xli for my fronts and center an sides and backs, from the Receiver channel output is - 7db on my fronts an side's, on my center and backs is - 10db
      The xlr preouts is rated as 4v to 9v an all my xli's are set in 1.4vrms mode
      What are the sensitivity options for the a800

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  3 года назад

      @@DREDKNOT2063 Way late response but I belive the A800 is the standard 2v on the RCA and 4v on xlr. I'm sure you could run higher line votage if need be and just back the gain off to prevent clipping. To bad the A800 is sold out everywhere I've been waiting months to get another one. You could also use the Crown XLS1002 or QSC GX3. These are all better options over the xli series.

  • @AlexandreLollini
    @AlexandreLollini 4 года назад +8

    As this is a PA amplifier, the goal of the setup is to have the two gain controls as low as possible, and deliver to it strong balanced XLR signal, there you'll have the max power from it. I think it was tested at 29db gain, witch is not the closest to max. If you have to make the gain go way up like above 3 o'clock : your signal is too weak. With a good preamp you should be able to clip the amp at 12 o'clock. The quality of any amp lowers when the gains are too far away from 12 o'clock.

  • @AlexandreLollini
    @AlexandreLollini 4 года назад +4

    Power is power vs distortion, meaning the seller of an amp wan say whatever he wants : my amp can do x watts with y distortion. Then if you are "hifi" you limit the max volume lower so that distortion is still minimal at max volume. class A, B, AB, H ar all smoothly transitionning into distortion, so when you push it very progessively start to distort, lovely. Class D goes to a point, and then start distorting very sharply, but you can push it a little more, between 1 and 3 % you can hear the distortion (if your ears are not yet bleeding) or if you have speakers inefficient enough for that to happen at a bearable volume. The actual sound energy that breaks the windows and make the police come is a result of amp behavior end speakers efficiency and air volume they can move. 105db speakers can kill you with 1 watt. 90db or below speakers need power in 10s or 100s of watts even small ones.

  • @nhennessy6434
    @nhennessy6434 4 года назад +3

    Not a bad amp. I have the A500 and have used it since 2016. Even though its measurements are not the best, those distortions are most likely inaudible most of the time. I've scheduled myself to get the NC400s from Hypex and will be installing them in a case from Ghent Audio, so I'll have something that should be more powerful and dramatically less distorted (like 40 db better Sinad) than the A500. Even so, I'll keep the A500 and use it to drive the back channels of some cheap surrounds, and the system will no doubt sound superior to any surround sound receiver.
    Even if you don't have a similar use case when and if you upgrade, it never hurts to have something like an A500 or A800 in the back closet if your main amp goes down.

    • @brucefisher9224
      @brucefisher9224 4 года назад

      How did those hypex kits turn out?

    • @nhennessy6434
      @nhennessy6434 4 года назад

      @@brucefisher9224 I switched to doing the Purifi Eval 1 with the Ghent case adapted. Right now, it's not functional. Have sent the power supply back to Hypex and will be sending the Purifi module back as well for repair. I will get it working in about a month, I'd estimate. Probably should have just gone with all Hypex A 400 but got seduced by the more advanced Purifi module. I be happy I'm sure once I get it working

  • @terrystouf8906
    @terrystouf8906 4 года назад +4

    Thanks for sharing this . Interesting that an 80 wpc ( probably and RMS rating ) will reach the same output levels of output as this rated at 220 wpc at 8 ohms . I think a lot of these new class d commercial amplifiers must be rating at peak output for a few milliseconds every so often . With the input power consumption rated at 90w on this amp , unless there are massive banks of reserve power (capacitors), these power ratings must be for very short bursts , very deceiving to compare . They should give a continuous output rating , but that would be embarrassing . Physics are physics and nothing can be more than 100% efficient , it's just not possible in this universe , otherwise you could plug it in and it would magically pump free electricity into the power grid .

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +2

      Check out AudioScienceReview test link should be in the description. It did not manage the advertised 220w @8ohm but it was able to crank out I think 160w @8ohm x 2 which is a good bit of power. I think its the other way around, this amp consumes more power than they advertise. Since its class D they want to seem efficient as possible and high power. This amp tested pretty good and is worth its price. Behringer realy did improve over the older A500.

  • @hqsound5582
    @hqsound5582 2 года назад +1

    Good power amp for the price. Great for subwoofers.
    It looks a bit cheap inside, especially the power supply, but that was expected with that price range.
    It has hiss in the treble range according to the measurements.

  • @Guiltless765
    @Guiltless765 Год назад +1

    I'd be interested in seeing BigD Wiz hook these amps up to his amp dino.
    The Crown XLi 1500 passed with flying colors.

  • @imark7777777
    @imark7777777 3 года назад

    Scanning the comments I don't see anybody mention this but the volume knobs are probably just pedometers after the input stage so other than being separate knobs they would do the exact same thing as if you put a volume knob before it not really gain controls but more like resistive limiters forming anotherwords a pad circuit. Since it most likely is a class D amplifier it will be using some power as necessity to run the power supply to keep the electronics running with no signal. Then as you have more signal it will be using a little bit more until you hit that high bass where it will suck down the capacitors reserved store which will cause the power supply to draw more current possibly sagging the line voltage. However since it is a class D amplifier its doing this hopefully if design well very efficiently.

  • @CoquiAudio
    @CoquiAudio 4 года назад +2

    awesome just 90W of power consumption and it delivers a lot of power plus saving money of light bills and enjoying good music

  • @icristian6707
    @icristian6707 3 года назад +3

    wish it did not have that rack mount plate...

  • @JGO.
    @JGO. 7 месяцев назад

    Is this amp subwoofer ready? If connected to subwoofer out rca on AVR

  • @KevinRusnak-ig8gl
    @KevinRusnak-ig8gl 3 месяца назад

    the amplifier source has a maximum voltage of 150mA. So the performance is much lower than stated by the manufacturer. It can only be 2*100w at 4ohm RMS. Has anyone measured the performance of this amp?

  • @xSKOOBSx
    @xSKOOBSx 4 года назад +1

    You generally want your pre to be higher and your amps in the middle or a little lower. This will keep your noise floor down.
    I wonder if you could throw a resistor on the output instead of a speaker and crank everything to figure out how much power it can actually draw. Regardless, the 50W power draw at max volume and the input close to clipping shows that it isnt putting out anywhere near what it states.

    • @sebdhaese
      @sebdhaese 4 года назад

      It could be that the impedance of those Jamo's really goes up when you crank it. Maybe?

    • @xSKOOBSx
      @xSKOOBSx 4 года назад

      @@sebdhaese usually speaker impedance doesn't change with volume, only with frequency.

  • @sammy10001
    @sammy10001 6 месяцев назад

    How do you add 12v triggers to this for my AVR to auto turn it on

  • @iginiodandrea1866
    @iginiodandrea1866 4 года назад +1

    hello I would like to buy it too to amplify the focal aria 936 from the floor ... do you recommend it to me? does it sound good and better than the a500? also are the cooling fans noisy? thanks roberto

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +1

      If your looking for a powerful class D amplifier around $300 I would recommend the A800 or the Crown XLS1002 for a little bit more. Both have powerful clean sound. The A800 doesn't have fans so its dead quiet all the time. Check the Audio Science Review link in the video description to see the test results for this amp. Its good improvement over the A500.

    • @TheDarius1968
      @TheDarius1968 3 года назад

      @@iowaudioreviews So, did you end up with this amp? What are your thoughts, if you did?

    • @iginiodandrea1866
      @iginiodandrea1866 2 года назад

      @@iowaudioreviews thanks a lot

  • @johnoakes7922
    @johnoakes7922 4 года назад +1

    I would like to see a follow up to this video. Having the gains on this amp set at 1 O'clock and also with the gains on this amp set at 2 O'clock....then when does this amp start clipping using your emotiva pre-amp using the amp gain settings I recommended. I am considering purchasing both these items and using them together. I was wondering at what volume setting the emotiva is turned up to before the amp starts to clip. Thank you very much for your video. Also, thanks if you can do this for all of us.

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +1

      I no longer have this amp, its being replaced with a Emotiva A-300 soon. But if I remember right having the Behringer A800 at full gain it would start to clip "according to the front meters, not always accuarate" with the Emotiva PT-100 at 60 - 65 out of 80. This was louder than I ever listened unless the wife was gone, I was drunk and I happen to be in the mood for Linkin Park....LOL. I'm guessing it was around 95 - 100db in my space. BUT the A800 never broke up or gave any indication it was tapping out even when the meters where pushing into the red. If you haven't already read the review done by AudioScienceReview please do. The link should be in the description. I didn't sell this amp because of any negitive reasons, I would still say this is one of the best power/performance amplifiers for $300.

    • @johnoakes7922
      @johnoakes7922 4 года назад +1

      I would expect the amp to clip sooner if the gain is set at max settings. I was just wondering, if the A800 gains was set to 2 o'clock or 1 o'clock, how far you would have to turn up the Emotiva before the A800 would start to clip. Thanks for the response.

  • @benh745
    @benh745 4 года назад +1

    What is the input sensitivity on this thing? Is it required to run a preamp with it? Or is straight out of the DAC sufficient for home use volume wise?

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +2

      Im about 90% sure the inputs on this amp are industry standard. So the balanced XLR inputs should be 2.83v and the unbalanced RCA input is 2v. So long as the DAC your using meets these levels "whichs most DACs and preamps put out at least 2v line out" you will get full power. I demonstrated hooking a typical CD player with 2v line out to this amp in the video and it works fine, but is NOT recommended because controling the gain "volume" between channel A and B manully on the fly isn't accurate. DACs with a volume control or preamp is highly recommended. A good budget option is the Micca Origen g2.

    • @benh745
      @benh745 4 года назад

      @@iowaudioreviews thx man! I have a DAC with integrated volume control.

    • @benh745
      @benh745 4 года назад +1

      @@iowaudioreviews I just purchased one of these amps. Curious how it sounds, especially for the money. Only experience i have with Class D are those small Chinese t-amps.

    • @brydon10
      @brydon10 4 года назад

      @@benh745 This thing will destroy any of those small chinese class D amps.

  • @mrdan1210
    @mrdan1210 4 года назад +1

    When connecting to a maranta sr6012 what would be the best connection, rca to rca or rca to xlr?

    • @xSKOOBSx
      @xSKOOBSx 4 года назад +1

      I wouldn't do RCA to XLR, just do same to same.

  • @TheRockerxx69
    @TheRockerxx69 4 года назад +1

    Yeah l saw the inside thanks. But musically how does it handle complex musical passages? Get strained, ?

    • @elukok
      @elukok 3 года назад

      I am sorry, but how would one amplifier cause more "strain" to your ears the some other one?
      All the amplifier ideally does is increase amplitutude of some frequency on the input. Thats it.
      This is just audiophile non-sense talk.

    • @blackbeansmatter1280
      @blackbeansmatter1280 2 года назад

      @@elukok there are plenty of amps that fatigue your ears. Too bright with bright speakers would be intense.

  • @pjfields2382
    @pjfields2382 3 года назад

    Can you bridge this with the 4 pin speakon.

  • @maebeans
    @maebeans 10 месяцев назад

    very late here, but since you had the behringer tested and found it can do 160w continuous and you have a marantz that can do half of that, you might be expecting it to be twice as loud. unfortunately with the way human hearing works, to get twice as loud as the marantz receiver you would need not twice the power but 10 times the power, or 800w per channel.

    • @maebeans
      @maebeans 10 месяцев назад +1

      of course more efficient speakers are always an option. i run 99db sensitive pa speakers from a behringer nx4-6000 amplifier. i like big speakers and big* power. nothing else really scratches the itch, even at low volume.
      * please ignore the over inflated power figures behringer state for this amp.

  • @felixlaboy1453
    @felixlaboy1453 4 года назад +2

    Great video buddy. ? Would you recommend this amp over a crown.
    Also I’m looking to a preamp can you recommend one as well

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад

      I've sent the amp to Audio Science Review so it can be tested. They have alreay tested the Crown XLS1502 and A500 so hopefully not to much longer we'll find out where the A800 stands. If it tests really bad I may swap it out for the Crown XLS1002 or Emotiva BasX A300.

    • @felixlaboy1453
      @felixlaboy1453 4 года назад

      IowAudio Review Thanks for the reply and advice.

    • @felixlaboy1453
      @felixlaboy1453 4 года назад

      What would be a good pre amp I’m looking for one as well

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +2

      @@felixlaboy1453 I listed the Micca Origen V2 in the video descriotion as a great budget option or I would recommend the Emotiva PT-100 Preamp/DAC as a much better option but its a bit pricy at $329. I have a hard time recommending older preamps as many decent ones are overpriced and use outdated tech. Not to say there isn't some good used preamps out there.

    • @felixlaboy1453
      @felixlaboy1453 4 года назад +1

      IowAudio Review. Thank you very much for the information I really appreciate it it was very hard for me to try to decide because there is so much stuff out there I appreciate the work that you do and it’s a guy that I used to help me make a decision at least spending my money in the right place. Once again thank you very much keep up the great work

  • @albertoalbini2024
    @albertoalbini2024 3 года назад

    HELLO ... is it better than the CROWN XLS 1000?

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  3 года назад

      I have not seen any actual measurements on the older xls1000 but I doubt its better than the new xls1002 and the A800 slightly measures better than that. I also had a xls1000 for a short time great amp considering the power you get. I'd say the A800 is better but only slightly. Problem is the A800 is sold out everywhere 😕

  • @lvomotor
    @lvomotor 4 года назад

    That tight bass is called transient response :)

    • @lunchie80
      @lunchie80 3 года назад +1

      Also tied in with Damping Factor. Transients happen at all frequencies, think percussion.

  • @bentlikeitsmaker
    @bentlikeitsmaker 4 года назад

    Because of how fast class d pulls power the meter would have a hard time showing it being instantaneous power kinda idea and not being a constant signal like a 1khz noise test

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад

      I see. I have also since read due to the Pulse Width Modulation power supply in this class d amp a power meter like I have won't work. Reading about how class d amps work is pretty interesting and its getting impressive how much better they've gotten.

  • @aswinsura3851
    @aswinsura3851 3 года назад

    What’s your speaker impedance and sensitivity ? Try some low bass songs

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  3 года назад

      I have many speaker most 4 to 8 ohm. This amp does low bass well.

  • @TNStrikeman
    @TNStrikeman 4 года назад

    Do you think it would sound better than the nx3000d?

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +1

      If your in no hurry just wait for Audio Science Review to finish testing. I'm guessing the A800 has a bit better fidelity since its a reference amplifier and the NX series is a commecial/pro amplifier. Have to wait and see how good the A800 does, hopefully better than the older A500. I think the NX series uses the same amp section as the iNuke series. The NX series just has the computer controlled DSP built in. In that case watch Williston Audio Labs video on the iNuke 1000. They dyno test it and it does not put out what behringer advertises, only about 75% of it.

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад

      Check out the testing. Tests quite well for a $300 power amp. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/behringer-a800-stereo-amplifier-review.10499/

    • @m00ndancer
      @m00ndancer 4 года назад

      @@iowaudioreviews In EU it's even cheaper, around €190 including 20% sales tax excl p&p

  • @headunits
    @headunits 5 лет назад

    If you enjoy the amp and have been impressed with it for a few months, why would you base your decision to keep it on how the test comes back from Audio Science Review?

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  5 лет назад

      It would have to test pretty bad for me to put it up for sale immediately. Otherwise I'll have it till next summer and then I may try out a Emotiva BasX A300 power amp. I have a few pieces of audio gear that I've kept but other wise I like to buy, sell, trade so I can sample other gear time to time.

  • @julianvogel5526
    @julianvogel5526 3 года назад

    Can I use this Behringer for little party's as a little PA?

  • @Bigmaker223
    @Bigmaker223 4 года назад

    What number does the Emotiva volume stop at ?

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +1

      It goes up to 80. I've never gone over 60 for fear of destroying speakers...lol.

    • @Bigmaker223
      @Bigmaker223 4 года назад

      @@iowaudioreviews That amp is it louder than 150wpc receiver ?

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +1

      @@Bigmaker223 Behringer rates this amp at 220w x 2 @ 8ohms BUT after having it tested it really puts out about 150 x 2 @ 8ohms. So would depend if your receiver really does put out 150w @ 8ohms, not likely. The A800 most likely would not seem any louder than your receiver. Watts and loudness doesnt work the way most people assume. Even if the A800 did put out 220w it wouldn't seem much louder than your 150w reciever. To even get 3db louder you would need to at least double the wattage to 300w and to double your loudness (+10db) you would need 10x the watts so 1500w. You could run 2x Crown XLS1002 bridged for 700w x2 at 8 ohms. Or get speakers that have a higher sensitivity than your current speakers.

    • @Bigmaker223
      @Bigmaker223 4 года назад

      @@iowaudioreviews What you think about Crown xls 1002 ?

    • @Bigmaker223
      @Bigmaker223 4 года назад

      @@iowaudioreviews I have the Cerwin Vega xls 15 .

  • @carlosmante
    @carlosmante 4 года назад +1

    I just came from ASR.

  • @iris3186
    @iris3186 4 года назад

    How to listen on headphones on this amp ? I don't see a headphone output.

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +4

      You cant. This is just a amplifier, its ment to be used with a preamp or mixer, and they might have a headphone output depending what you use.

    • @hqsound5582
      @hqsound5582 2 года назад

      Power amps only drive speaker. You need a analog mixer, headphone amp or a Pre/Int amp with a headphone (tele) output.

  • @atomiczombie22
    @atomiczombie22 3 года назад

    Class D is more efficient than AB so it will draw less power at the same volume.

    • @dungysphincter7974
      @dungysphincter7974 3 года назад +1

      Class A. and A/B draw the same power at volume level 0 as they do at maxed out. Which means it has a constant draw of power of 100% regardless of volume setting. Class D power draw is variable, and is not at full tilt 100% of the time. The volume control sets that variable. You can have a Class A/B amp powered on, have the volume set to 0. The Amp will heat up, and after a short time will get hot. Class D is not running at full tilt 100% of the time as Class A, and A/B do. Class D has a fast switching power supply, as the Class A, and A/B do not... If you set the volume at 10%....then you will have approx 10% power draw. These are not precise measurements, but I think you get the point. CHEERS!

  • @ga12f12o
    @ga12f12o 4 года назад

    Clean PCB layout

  • @pawepaul9288
    @pawepaul9288 2 года назад

    Song name ?

  • @TheRockerxx69
    @TheRockerxx69 4 года назад

    Can you show the inside? Want to look at the all important power supply, and what devices does it use?

    • @iowaudioreviews
      @iowaudioreviews  4 года назад +4

      Did you watch the entire video? I closely show the entire inside of this amp.

  • @ChiaDai
    @ChiaDai 4 года назад

    Can I plug an active subwoofer into this ? does it have a high pass filter, dedicating low end to sub ?

    • @sebdhaese
      @sebdhaese 4 года назад +1

      It maybe late, but no to all of the questions. It is a pure power amp.

  • @brydon10
    @brydon10 4 года назад

    I'm surprised it clips too man. Are your speakers inefficient?

    • @sebdhaese
      @sebdhaese 4 года назад +2

      That is weird indeed. Those Jamo's, he was driving, are pretty efficient as well. I think Behringer is not completely honest about the specs.

    • @bererboy01
      @bererboy01 4 года назад +1

      Knobs on the A800 is gain control, not volume or 'suppose to be at max' as he said it. The clipping lights on the unit obviously come on because the source is clipping, not the speakers.

    • @brydon10
      @brydon10 4 года назад

      @@bererboy01 If the amp is clipping then you are running out of clean power, which means the speakers are hard to drive or you don't have all that much power.

  • @John48778
    @John48778 2 года назад

    ugly design