The internet is still fighting about this... | Unsolvable Mysteries Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2021
- Some say "she did it", others say "impossible!"... what do you think?
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#1 -- "Waking Nightmare" -- 0:49 -- A woman deals with a violent stalker
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You are at the end. Nothing more exists beyond this. Promise.
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☠︎ Found the secret easter egg in today's video? Be the 1st to comment what it is and where it occurs in the video, and you will get pinned!! ☠︎
18:10 Tom Brady. Bottom rose, right in the middle
Well done! This one took forever for people to find!
I believed he had already given the answer.
How in the world did you see that?
Are you really sure sir? Even with holding the original picture of her next to this one it looks exactly the same. Or I am just completely blind
That was good congrats. I would of never seen it. Even after u pointed it out had to watch 3 times to see it
Cindy: Dies
Police: She must be faking
So true. I wish police would take things like that and this seriously:(
@@Snesgamer yeah but I was meaning for both sides. If she was doing it or someone else was doing it the police should have done something to help her
@@Snesgamer No it couldn't.
RIGHT! How the hell? No shoes, no socks.....feet perfect. No syringe, yet over dose....wtf....
Just look at the Vancouver cops history you'll see they've done this more than once
Me: *clicks on unsolvable mysteries*
Also me: *gets mad when the mystery is unsolved*
Thats why its called unsolved and mystery meaning nobody knows !!
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The voice tho its bloody creepy
Unless she is stalking herself
I think its a cop
I feel ya
😂😂
OMG :D
Haha everytime!
This story is so incredibly frustrating 😭 For them to actually declare this a suicide after failing her so badly for so many years is just disgusting 😳
FR, they just didn't want to admit they were wrong. They should have definitely left her case open and not what they did ACAB
police and or politicians were involved
@@LL-hc3zm u are dead on with that one!! , almost wouod bet money on it
@@tomkee4479 I can't remember the other story Ballen told where a group of friends (maybe just two) the sheriff had a conflict of interest in the case but this reminded me of that
So I gotta say, he left a LOT out for the views and fear factor. Stephanie Harlowe does an excellent deep dive into it, she's also known as Cindy James. She definitely had histrionic personality disorder imo.
There is another still ongoing case in the US where a woman died and it has been labeled as a suicide, but…it is almost impossible. Her name is Ellen Rae Greenberg-from Philadelphia.
That one drives me crazy! It had to be the husband.
Subhanallah ! Iv just watched it. Unbelievably horrendous !
Cops: **annoyed because nothing ever happens whenever they’re surveilling the house**
Me: Hm. That IS strange. It’s almost as if...the stalker doesn’t want to get caught by police.....so they wait until the coast is clear. very weird.
hmm, ah yes, the floor is made of floor.
😁
Who would have thunk?
@Joshua Greenspan 😮😯😲🤫
Thats what i was thinking who would stalk someone when they know the cops are there
Hello!! This story is actually about my aunt, so i thought i’d come on here and say thank you for covering her story is a non biased way. I never met her, but my family has dealt with a lot of trauma because of what happened. It pains me to think people didn’t believe her and thought she staged it all, but I am glad the general public can see that she wasn’t what the police made her out to be. Anyways, thank you for sharing the story and being as respectful as you were about it. :)
Hope ya aunt found peace :)
I hope one day there is justice for Cindy. Your family needs peace. ❤
RIP your aunt hope she and your fam find peace and justice. 😇
I believe her 100% I know about the Vancouver cops history they are useless and because of their mistakes they've caused a lot of women to be murdered
@@jbrobertson6052 maybe their the masterminds behind it all... 😱 also hi again!
Did police ever check the call records of Cindy's telephone to determine, whether she was really getting those calls? If yes, from which number was she getting the calls? Did the police never bothered to call up the telephone company and check the details? This is the most important question i felt unanswered in the video
That's a good question, but I have one for you... would they have been able to do that in 1982? I genuinely don't know, which is why I'm asking.
@@marksmith164 I imagine the caller would of used a pay phone but I am not sure either. I don't know if they could trace calls like that back then. I think they could of located the caller if they set it up though.
@@timelkin838 Or at the very least, provide them with a general localised area, helping to narrow down the search a little. Maybe.
How would the stalker have gotten her phone number right after she changed it too??
@@bymysidebrits1701 That's why it makes sense that it's the boyfriend that was a police officer or at least someone close to her. A police officer would also have access to drugs and be able to test or know it potency. I'm speculating because I'm stumped. It's seems like it's so obvious but with all the possibilities I'm just not certain.
As a woman who has been secretly recorded, blackmailed w said recording, kidnapped, beaten, s.a'd, threatened with a gun, and stalked by my ex, i cannot imagine the fear she endured on top of the cops openly telling her shes staging everything and making it up. Breaks my heart she went through that.
I'm so sorry that you went through that.
I'm sorry you had to survive that. I had very little help with a past psycho also. It makes me wonder if they figured out it was the cop ex boyfriend.
They really would rather think this woman was a professional knot tie expert, drug addict, arson, crazy, and a levitating magician before considering that there was an actual stalker
😆 true
Right?!
@@mauricioduran6015 Pretty gross generalization
@@mauricioduran6015 Only in your feeble mind. You don’t like cops, why not just say it?
I love them
@@mauricioduran6015 Okay Q
Medical examiner: Yeah this definitely wasn’t a suicide
Police: Nah bro trust me
Hahahahahaha
It doesn’t make sense that the cops didn’t fingerprint a single thing in ALL 3 or 4 incidents?!? WTF!!!! Why?!?
@@brandonmarquette9612 easy cop corruption
Medical examiner never said it was definitely not a suicide. They said they couldn't say it was or wasn't suicide.
cop most likely did it, honestly
"The Police got tired of her and stop responding to her calls" just made me mad. They are there to protect and serve. How can they just ignore her like that?
And of course they didn't see and stalking activity, that guy was clearly a pro or a very smart person. He wouldn't just come to her property when it was under surveillance.
It was a suicide.
The police definitely didn't ignore her. They spent hundreds of hours staking out her residences and investigating her claims over a period of seven years. I highly recommend the book "The Deaths of Cindy James" by Neal Hall, a local reporter who covered the case. I was once adamant that foul play was involved but now I tend to think it was most likely a suicide.
@jonhedges9422 they still shouldn't have stopped attending to her calls. What if she called for a different reason? How can the police deny help? I understand that it's hard to keep surveillance on a person continuously without any results, but openly denying help is just unprofessional
@@toxin7111 The police never denied her help. They were still responding to her claims in the month prior to her death, bringing bloodhounds to her house to try to track another reported intruder. Seriously go read up on the case, there's a lot of information out there.
This story blows my mind. Let’s not forget this happens in the 80’s in Canada. Back then women were never ever taken seriously when they were abused or raped. Easier to blame the victim than to put in the effort to find, arrest and convict those responsible.
“ when the police were there , there was NO stalker activity, the second the police left the stalker would come back “ hmm wow, almost like maybe he didn’t want to get caught !! lol
It's the same reason you don't see Clark Kent and Superman in the same room. The cop ex-bf was conveniently never questioned, too. License to kill, I guess.
@K Ker you know I’m starting to wonder why none of the neighbors ever saw even a little bit of what happened
Almost like whoever did it knew the police schedule, which means they were either law enforcement themselves, or they were always at Cindy's house and knew when the police left.
you do know that the cops wouldn't tell the stalker when they are leaving and they wouldn't just be sitting outside out in the open, they would be hiding for that sole reason.
Or it could have been a police officer that was off duty and knew the shift change.
“Cindy dead meat soon” is 100% said in a scratchy woman’s voice
Exactly what I thought.....incredibly obvious.
I'd like to hear a recording of Cindy to compare it to, because it's pretty fucking telling. No wonder the police didn't buy her story.
That call is without a doubt either the killer or tied directly to him
Yep for sure a female voice
Yes sounded like a smoker...
Bless her heart. Poor Cindy must have been so terrified and to be brushed off by the police is maddening and sickening at the same time. Basically, she had no one to help her and that is unacceptable. To be blamed for your own stalking and then to be murdered and still be brushed off and not believed. It’s just wrong on so many levels and unacceptable. I hope someday the truth will see the light of day. 🙏🏼
The cops didn’t believe her, so they didn’t run prints on the knife. Even if you think this lady is full of it just do your damn job to the minimal amount required please…
👏👏👏 say it louder for the back 😂
Yup, and someone got away with murder because of it!
Foul play, police officers involved.
@@user-vv4um2be1j It would require huge amounts of time to stalk someone like this, if you start to think about it. That leads me to conclusion that it could have been either someone who was paid for it or someone that didn't have other things to do or could easily make himself available anytime. This alone would be enough for police to find out who the stalker could have been, but nobody really investigated this maybe because of possible negligence of these police departments. But I can't say anything for sure if I wasn't there.
They should have run prints.....it's possible that her ex-husband was wearing gloves or something but even if they found just her prints they could have told her the same......it could have been inconclusive but still running the prints would have given them a clearer picture!!!
‘A knot expert was able to put himself in the same position’
A professional gymnast was able to do a cartwheel.
@@JohnDoe-xj9nr hah, he has bad reasoning, not bad grammar✊
@NeedToPooNow
Why do you think Mr. Ballen has bad reasoning?
@@JohnDoe-xj9nr Me too! :p
@@sallykauth2115 It was a joke and I haven’t watched this in ages so I can’t say exactly lmao, but I think it’s along the lines of ‘obviously a knot expert can put himself in the same position, he’s an expert at it’, but above all else, ‘twas a joke
@@needtopoonow308
Oh my goodness. No need to explain @Wesley D. de los Santos' joke. I actually "liked" it. I completely understand the wordplay involved between the two homophones "knot" and "not,"
So what about the guy standing outside of Cindy’s house when her house caught fire? Once he was noticed by her neighbor, the guy ran away. Isn’t that enough evidence that she was being stalked?
I wouldn't say so. Could have been someone who was walking around and noticed the fire/the commotion coming from the house and stopped and looked at the house and then ran away when the husband shouted to call 911. Could be that he misheard the man and thought he was accusing him of starting a fire, or someone who was busy doing something wrong so they were on edge, or just some kid who was out when they shouldn't be. Especially since the stalker had obviously been quite good at not being seen before that.
I don't think she made it at all up, and that should point towards something going on when the police heard about it, just saying that there are other reasons that part could have happened.
Hope i never have you on a jury to decide my guilt.
You were at the scene were you not
Yes
GUILTY !!
@@DeathBlocksWHY would an innocent person run away?!?!? GTFOH
@@gambitwilsonbillyho953 well I mentioned possibilities there. Innocent of starting the fire isn't the same as innocent of any wrongdoing.
@DeathBlocks I agree with all your points. Hate to say it, but it really does seem far more logical that she was crazy and staged these events. I've commented all my points on why I think that. My gut also says that. I'm very opened minded too.
that stalker definitely had some type of connection with the police. this case makes me sick because of how they neglected her. sad story man
I do think a whole cult is in this mess..how the hell neighbor don't watch someone House?
No matter who is responsible, clearly this poor woman suffered tremendously and did not get the help she needed and deserved.
Exactly
@You're not Awake Not just yet that's canadian Police for ya, they don't help others.
Yeah idk cops seem to really have a hard job
Gun. And you should probably be vacuuming
A similar thing happened to my mum and I, when I was a teenager. We had a guy stalking us for months. Everytime we called the cops, they blew us off. The guy would walk around our house tapping on the windows. We would call the cops, but by the time the cops finally turned up, he was gone. He started to harras several other women in our neighbourhood. THEN the cops took it seriously and brought in dogs. If the cops had believed us initially, the stalkers behaviour wouldn't of exacerbated to harassing half the neighbourhood. What's scary is the police were too incompetent to catch the guy. Even with the help of hundreds of police reports, several eye witness accounts and a team of tracker dogs. Sadly many cops are keystone cops.🍩
As a recovering addict, no way could you shoot a lethal dose even with a high tolerance and hog tie yourself in a way that you have to get a professional knot guy to recreate. Hit that guy with a lethal shot of dope and then let him recreate it. That woman was murdered.
I battled with opiates years ago. I agree 100% with you. Poor Cindy.
Ye 💯 💯 💯
Agreed, but why no traces? I mean, all that time and no footprints?
The lack of evidence suggests a background in criminal investigation, but the investigating officer didn't enter her life until after this became a problem.
@@nathanjones6638 When the pigs commit the crimes themselves they can simply not put effort into solving a case, or just cover it up.
@@nathanjones6638 Who was the main person still in her life? Her best friend!!! It was her friend!
I couldn’t imagine what she had to go through trying to get help. I’ve had a stalker now for nine years and it really changes you. It makes you very withdrawn and paranoid and people have thought I was crazy as well and exaggerating until they caught him themselves on my property watching me. I wish she would have bought a weapon like I did and prepare her house for the attack. There’s only so much the police can do and so much that they will believe so I have made every preparation that I can for the day he tries to attack me. I’m a good shot too so he would be a fool to try lol
Stay safe, prayers for you and your family.
The cowards never give any fair warning, that's why you never let your guard down, ever!
Cuz that one time you do, that'll be the time he strikes.
Good luck.
Or go defense..
Figure out who your stalker is & start stalking him until the day you can take him out..no more stalker.
You said "had" so did this person stop? Or did you chase him off or whoever saw him? Did you ever see what he looks like? Im sorry you had to go thru this. Hopefully he died lol
I hope you live in a stand your ground state.
@@P3rmissionD3ni3d you're golden if you have your AOJ.
Ability, Opportunity, life in Jeopardy.
☮💜
That is insanely creepy. I remember watching an episode on Unsolved Mysteries. It reminded me of another episode where this couple who were seniors was stocked for over 10 years. The stalker, attacker always knew when authorities were watching the house, and something happened during a time when they were watching the house, because the predator knew or found a gap in surveillance.
The cops actually thought Cindy was making everything up because her stalker wasn’t around when they were around? But if she was being stalked then obviously the stalker knew when the police were at her house… I cannot imagine anything more terrifying than what Cindy went through. Rest In Peace, Cindy. I’m so sorry this happened to you
I wonder why police didn't just use a simple trick that they tell Cindy "Ok we leave now" but they actually leave one cop hiding in her apartment.
@@BigBlueandWhite because that’s illegal.
As an opioid IV user, if you inject yourself there is absolutely & and i mean no fucking way that you would have the time to ditch the needle and tie yourself up. The amount of time it takes for the drug to finish the come up and peak is less than 10 seconds.
@@alexblaze8878 Not necessarily... just hide in a place that's not illegal but not too revealing to the streets.
@@BigBlueandWhite you said “hide in her apartment”. Again, that’s illegal.
A knot expert was able to tie himself up that way?! No shit!!
"We aren't sure how this young man's body ended up on that roof, so we hired Tony Hawk to launch himself up there, thus proving the man got there himself"
That was my thought!
This is a lady who had this obsession for a long long time and sacrificed a lot to make people believe her. It is very easy to believe she could have spent a few days studying knots in order to make her own story more believable. Knots aren't that hard to learn if you actually study.
@@scpy4346 this was pre internet days and no evidence was ever found that she did this. Police are lazy, inept and lack integrity. They find only what they want to find. They do cover-up for themselves & others. This was at a time when stalking woman was easy & perpetrators knew they'd get away with it. Pretty much the same as these days
As an opioid IV user, if you inject yourself there is absolutely & and i mean no fucking way that you would have the time to ditch the needle and tie yourself up. The amount of time it takes for the drug to finish the come up and peak is less than 10 seconds.
@@TheZINGularity I'm a recovering dope fiend. They didn't say whether it was in a vein or muscle. If it was in a vein, I agree she wouldn't have had time, but if it was I.M., then she would've had time, because it would have taken awhile to absorb in the bloodstream.
I actually lost it when they said, she tied herself up after injecting herself with a lethal dose of morphine...
Pretty rich huh? I'm still dumbstruck!
Even if she before or after.
both scenario are nearly impossible
But look how easily they believed the ex husband with a history of toxicity!
"police set up a surveillance operation on her property"
Proceeds to show the background image with police eating donuts in the car.
Ballen always does his homework
So typical of them isn't it
lol
@@ghostdetective311 did they keep her safe, no they blew her off.
She was the doughnut. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN
The stalker worked in the police force. He knew when the police werent there.... Was able to find the girl in another state with a different name... Easily convinced other police departments she was crazy... This would all be so simple if the dude was on the force...
15:54 he mentions ex bf cop.. Your theory holds weight.
@@slysampss But she was being harrassed before she met the first cop
Good job detective. You’re a genius
@@milkywaygaming2415 True, but what if.. what if this was planned before, and the first cop knew her for a while already while she was unaware of it.
@@milkywaygaming2415 maybe before she met him, maybe he knew of her and was an obsessed stalker and started this elaborate plan to become her “Hero” coming to protect her but after harassment at work about defending her being “crazy” so he tried not to defend her anymore which caused her to break up with him and moving away, causing him to lash out resulting in her death
This is real life gas lighting in the most horrifying sense. I’m honestly happy I’ve finally found a video of yours that I haven’t seen lol.
Hi (: I have Dissociative Identity Disorder, and I wanted to share some details about about it to provide important context. People who have DID have PTSD. ‘Splitting’ (or the distinction of parts) happens when a very intense/traumatic event occurs that the individual can’t integrate with the rest of their life experiences up until that point. This trauma happens before the age of 9 and those memories get filed away separately into what we call ‘Parts’. Yes, DID is defined by at least 2 distinct ‘parts’, but there is much more to it than that. Parts are not always fully defined as their own person, and while the memory gaps happen the complete black outs are usually triggered by some trauma or trauma adjacent event. The ‘switches’ in personality are sometimes subtle, but those who were really close to her would have noticed some change in behavior. If she was attacking herself then she would have had points were she wasn’t afraid for her life, which didn’t seem to happen once the events started. Also, switching is not something that people with DID can normally control. After years of therapy and coexistence, it’s easier to tell when those switches happen, but it’s like always being part of a group project. You don’t have control over other peoples input or lack of. Movies like ‘Split’ have created gross stereotypes about this community of humans, and I hope that this comes across as educational and not critical. I love your videos and watching your stories, and with DID being researched so heavily in the last decade, there is still lots of outdated or incomplete information out there. 🙏🏼♥️
I know someone that legitimately has DId and I used to live with her and have known her for over 20 years. At first I didn't know about this, but a mutual friend who was also living with us did. He told me that he suspected that she had DId and I started paying really close attention. I could then tell when she became another "personality ", the changes were very clear to me then. We came to realize that this had to be directly caused by the abuse from her family growing up and from the abuse by her two ex-husbands. She had been abused for at least 40 years. When she was one of her "alters" her voice, mannerisms, personality and even her gait would change, if a person was paying attention you could clearly tell . It wasn't forced changes it was smooth and was very natural. I never thought she was faking and still don't to this day, the switches don't happen much anymore as long as everything is kept on even keel. So imo it's unlikely the lady in the story had this illness or someone would know. I also think the police should be held accountable for her death since they didn't believe her and she was clearly murdered by her stalker, even though it sounds like they tried to cover it up. So horrible she died knowing no one believed her. Love Mr Ballen, great channels. I'm an addict now.
“A knot expert was able to put himself in the same position” well yea because he is a knot expert lol dam these people just didnt care to help her
Right?!!!! Not a single f*ck truly given! And also shines a light on how mistreated those who struggle with mental illness can be I feel like. Even if they thought she was mentally ill, they should've done thorough investigation to ensure this I feel.
Bottom line is the cops didn't like her
I love his stories and I think he could help some families out there find closure for some unsolved cases
And the knot expert wasn't out of his mind on morphine.
@@estieFa - Very good point!
the caller on the other side of the phone, ""DO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET TO BELLS CANYON?!?!!?""
After watching that video, I googled bell’s cannon and found out it was in Utah... so creepy!!!
I literally LOL'd at that! Thank you
I understood that reference
Hahaha no no no!! I am still creeped out by that story and the one where the father and son are in the forest with no sounds 🥺
🤣
This is horrible. I can't imagine what she felt, all alone because these so called authorities would rather blow her off. I have no words and I pray one day the truth will come out! I think the cop that came out of nowhere and automatically started a relationship with her had a big hand in this. They literally have this woman's blood on their hands!
And yet they are considered to be our only protection🙄 Truly disheartening
@@joshmiller9783 Wow ur very badass and impressive. I worship you, great one.
while the D.I.D. answer is more juicy it was 100% that cop, he was probably obsessed with her
Cindy: *Gets found drugged and dead in a ditch after weeks of being stalked*
Cops: "Must've been the wind..."
Lol
🎯
Poor Cindy
Right like oh this looks like the perfect place to shoot up an hog tie myself 🧐
Hahaha yeah
My heart breaks for this poor woman. Imagine going so long being terrorized by someone, having no one believe you, and then be murdered. Such a sad life.
And DID occurs by repeated trauma before the age of 6 or 7. (DID does not occur from trauma later in life ). So that means she had been traumatized pretty much her entire life.
@@shuffman8094 the DID theory was fucking stupid and probably made up by people on the internet who don't know how DID works. The most "evil" personas are literally just kind of bitchy, that's it. They aren't going to go kill people or somthing, I hate people who think that.
@@shuffman8094 The DID "theory" is brainmeltingly idiotic. There is literally NO evidence, no matter how flimsy, that supports it. There is a lot of evidence that contradicts it. There's literally exactly as much evidence to say that aliens from another dimension did it than there is to say it was DID.
She was murdered. There's no two ways about it. The feet being clean, the needle being missing, her having no time to tie herself up after the injection, the body not being seen earlier (i.e. it was dumped)... there's no way ALL these things are explainable with her having done it herself. None. Absolute zero. Zero kelvin. One, MAYBE two? Extremely unlikely, but possible. But that many? No. Only a moron that's already convinced there was no stalker and is refusing to even consider the possibility they were wrong would even consider this being a suicide.
Everyone says ACAB, but we also need ACAR, because it seems All Cops Are Retards.
@@artvulture456 The DID theory is used for people to say "Bitches be crazy" and dismiss this woman, most likely because they're sexist.
I mean the cops sure were. To just let someone suffer a stalker because they're "crazy" and making it up, seems like something they'd do, especially if it's a woman. They tend to not take them seriously.
It’s either the ex-husband, Agnes, or the policeman ex-bf. Just really weird that she moved addresses and the stalker still found her
I thought agnis to for some reason
The "Cindy Dead meat soon" sounds like a woman too, disguising her voice.
What is Agnes motive though? The person who did all of these things must of known of the windows of time when the police wasn't watching.
The voicemail was left by a woman
@@sarahs3207Same, the voicemail sounds like a womans voice. Agnes somehow appeared soon after CIndy was attacked several times, as well as Agnes could have set the fire in her own house and told her husband to lie about seeing the 'strange' man outside.
Watching this 3 years after it was posted. You’ve come so far! Proud of you.
Same
So Cindy was a nurse, I just read it. It’s a good possibility it was her or possibility co-worker. It was shown she had a lengthy medical history with documentation of suicidal thoughts and depression. So this story has more to it, it wasn’t just morphine they found 30 tablets she would’ve had to have swallowed and other tablets of benzodiazepines. I think I can see why police say it was most likely suicide. The police spent a large amount of money investigating so it wasn’t botched. The family is insisting it was but when I read some of the information they actually did quite a bit.
Having thoughts of something isn’t the same thing as doing all of that over the course of years.
Yeah I fully believe it was Cindy
Yeah, I agree. The details in this case matter, and when you look at them suicide and mental illness are the most likely, if most baffling, culprits.
She had a detective/police boyfriend and the stalker activity only happened when he was away or when the police detail were changing shifts and the scene was always clean.....how was that guy not a suspect?
@@andrewb9409 That does not absolve him of suspicion.
@@andrewb9409 he could be a stalker that worked his way into her life. Doesn’t really mean much about when it all started
yepp and i thought that maybe there was someone manipulating everyone into thinking she had been faking everything behind her back and that person could be anyone of the people you mentioned since they would be close with the other police.
Because he is a perfect human being. He could never do anything g wrong It’s just not possible.
Police protect their own unfortunately
Things I have learnt from mr ballen: no caves, no scuba diving, no walking alone and no camping
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Thank you mr ballen I’m your biggest fan
You don’t realise what this means to me
Memez get a room eh. Haha. Nah he is awsome.
Lol! 😀
RIP Cindy. I hope you are at peace. I am really sorry for the loss of your aunt and that one day you get all the answers you need. ❤️
Definitely think it was the "best friend".... from the beginning she was my guess and she just kept being around at the appropriate time... can't believe this didn't get more police attention. Soo sad 😞
So the fact that her best friends husband seen someone standing outside the house after the fire broke out means nothing, huh?!? I feel so sad for her...
Maybe he was curious. And when he said "run and call 911" he ran to call 911.. lol
@@slapbl4ck0ut37 I thought he just ran.
@@davidvasey5065 if a stalker did set the fire, and not Cindy, then it would be a direct attempt on her life with at least some chance of success. As far as they would be aware, this may be the conclusion to all their psychotic effort, so they’d want a good view.
@@risingtide117 I do believe your right, when someone wrongs me I sure like to watch them suffer, I suppose the feeling isn't that much different from a killers
He was the only one that saw him...Hmmmmmmm
When you’ve already heard a story before but Mr.Ballen explains it 10x better.
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I listen to this to go to sleep that's how good he is
Lies bailey Sairian did I spelt it wrong but Mr ballen and Bailey did this stley
I am sorry for your loss of your Aunt, it's horrible that the police didn't believe her, and stopped doing anything to help her 😢 what a crying shame 😢. She didn't even get justice for herself or her family 😢
As someone with DID : the fact that no one realized she had DID is very logical, this is an extremely “hidden” condition. Also full black out are not common in this disorder, even if they still happen for some of us. The DID theory seams realistic to me as I have friends that also almost got killed by another “personality” of theirs (they are actually called alters as they are not really personalities but more identities)
*woman has literal note stabbed through her hand*
police: this chick just won’t stop until she gets our attention🥴🥱
SERIOUSLY!!!!! WTF!!!!
Cops: Nah....she's faking it.
Me: HOW!? Did she slip and fall perfectly while throwing her knife in the air? Or did she decide she hated that hand and it needed to be punished?
How do you come to that kind of conclusion looking at a scene like that? She just wanted attention......? ....ummmm....no
@J D pretty sure they thought she was crazy rather then faking it for attention. It sounds like she possibly has some kind of psychotic disorder
@J DMy thoughts exactly.. so much negligence especially back then.. also police didn't have the tools they do now to do a proper surveillance.
I don't understand how the P.I. didn't figure it out..
I'm an amateur P.I. and just starting as a new career soon.. I most definitely have to his pinned for a case of like to solve..
Unfortunately I doubt there is much evidence to be tested that was saved.
Hopefully I or someone will figure it out!
@@irishmario
Really wonderful to hear that you seem to want to do well in your field. I'm sure that most law enforcement involved in these cases do want justice and to help the world but at the very least some of them are ridiculously negligent and biased.
that has all the telltale signs of a call for attention. If you are going to murder someone and leave a note you stab it to their heart or write it in blood on a wall. Specially something that short. the minute I heard of that incident I knew it was all fake.
Sorry this took so long... tHe BaD mAn GoT mE yesterday and so this video went under review. Luckily it just cleared. Enjoy!
Epic video epic
You sir, have impeccable timing
It got cleared in just enough time to make my morning. Thanks @MrBallen!!!
thx for being a youtuber
RUclips better lock it up.
5.4 million subscribers!! Congrats dude! You're a great story teller, and thank you for your service to our country. Well deserved!
I really wish Mr Ballen was still posting 3 to four times a week. Hell it would be nice to even get 2 videos a week. Once a week is such a bummer.
Agree... Its pretty common though. Channels start out posting as much as they can, then when they go viral and get big viewing numbers, they cut videos down to once or twice a week.. That whole "work smarter, not harder" thing...
@@carloo69 Yeah I get it people need a break. It could definitely be feasible to spit out two 30 min stories a week. He probably wouldn't have to work so hard. It doesn't seem like a major production. Just Mr. Ballen, a camera, a green screen, and his amazing story telling abilities. Maybe the tap is running dry on the stories he finds. Hell, he's told thousands of different stories. It must be getting harder to come across really intriguing things. But regardless people will still watch his once a week videos. He will still make a large amount of money to get to do what he loves. His fans will still be happy that he's at least doing it once a week. Could be once a month. So everyone wins.
When I was a young child we spent about 3 years being terrorized by an anonymous stalker who was obsessed with my single mother. The police also dismissed it as fake, and even accused my brother and me of being the ones breaking in and doing things. They never lifted a finger to help.
Luckily for us, one day it just stopped. We never knew why it stopped, why it started, or who it was.
I'm so sorry your family went through that.
It must be so insanely horrible to have these kinds of cases just written off by the people in society who are supposed to protect you. Of course when it comes to violent crimes the easiest/most common answer usually is the correct one but in so many of these retellings you just hear police treat them like there are no other possibilities than what they immediately think of.
Sorry that happened to you but I hope that person was caught
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@Nero Wynn It was a pretty bad time. My brother and I both developed PTSD from it, and to this day we both have extreme hyper vigilance and super sensitive startle responses.
I'm real heaps sad to hear what your mother, your brother & you Mimi must've all had of gone through & had to put up with. It really disappoints me that these psychos even exist. Sorry to hear about how the authorities wouldn't believe you or help or even protect you too.. That is their job & in my opinion they at failed it miserably in both cases yours & this. I believe her by the way, despite what anyone thinks or said. You don't inject yourself with an overdose, tie yourself up & run to an abandoned house to then strangle yourself all to stage your murder. It wouldn't be possible. Also they would have found the needle, at least closeby. That guy was too sus standing in the night watching her house burn & if not then why wouldn't he call 911 when asked? Plus noone stabs themselves through their own hand with a pairing knife for that, no matter how elaborate they are trying to make their stalking/death threats seem. I don't believe she had mental problems at all (like schizophrenia) at least not serious ones if she did. I am glad to hear your harassments stopped Mimi. It sounds like he was just a real trash pile perv anyway & mammoth duche w/ a tiny appendage & I'm sorry that he never got caught & had to face the charges for it. He must be f**ked up to do that in the first place, even to think of doing those things let alone going through with them is sick. Even though I'm not saying that's any excuse at all. What always makes me wonder is why don't these people ever think anyone will ever see them, find out or catch them in some way. Or do they simply not care about any consequences? People are always watching just for them to f**k up so they can all make an example of the scumbags. I think & hope they all get tortured to the same extent of their victims & permanently if they won't leave them alone. I would love for someone like this to break into "the wrong sort of guys" house & get what he deserves.. I also hope the guy who did this to you & your family feels like the massive piece of shit (that he is). Also that he finds out exactly what you & everybody else think of him... I mean he has affected you (& your family) in a heaps negative (that could get worse too), for probably your whole life. Good on you & congrats getting through it all though. I would have PTSD too for sure. It'd also prolly have blood-pressured me right up & I'd have had a stress, anxiety or panic attack or just a mental breakdown lol.. Bless you & best of luck to you with working through your problems & condition. I hope it goes away & you get better.. Have a nice rest of your day!.. 🙂
Regardless if she had a stalker or not. This poor lady was going thru it.
Yeah, even if it was herself doing these things and not knowing, she would still have felt terrified. Fear isn’t just about what is happening it’s the perception of what is happening.
That many years of being stalked...just sad and wierd
It is really sad. I can’t even imagine what she must have been going through. How frustrating. Mr. B always tells the best stories.
Yes indeed a sad story whether or not she was stalking herself.
@Lee x Yes its how i abbreviate it. Dont know why ur worried about it
Very humbling to see the message from you.
There are dozens of great quotes etc in response but I only want to say God Bless you and your family
I love Mr Ballen, so good I can't get enough
I am a police officer and this story breaks my heart and makes me angry. There is no way she did it herself. There is legit no way she was making any of this up! Absolutely absurd! Those officers failed this poor woman. 🥺
Your a police with that profile pic? Doubt
@@reggielacey2235 I really don't care if you doubt it. I have nothing to prove. I'm human just like everyone else.... We don't dress like robots....
@@RoseTx ok bro
@@reggielacey2235 how exactly do you expect cops to dress? Are we supposed to never fix ourselves up?
@@RoseTx if by dress up you mean look like snookie then Ok sure. That's like a surfer frat boy oy from Jersey saying he's a cop or something.
The way the police handled this makes my blood boil.
bruh
If someone told you they've been r**e without any proof what will you do?
They should have ALL lost their jobs. Immediately upon her body being found. Worthless sacks of trash. I hope this case haunts all of them until they die.
Same
Welcome too Vancouver
Did Roy have Cindy's phone number, the unlisted number?
She changed to a new address, did he know her new address, once she shifted 2nd time? And most importantly, why were Cindy's call records never checked, to see if she was getting any calls on the dates mentioned? If yes, from which number was she getting the calls?
That's what I thought. I bet the ex-husband had something to do with it . I mean , this started happening just four months after she divorced him? That's sus.
I reckon it was because the police had tunnel vision, so why bother right? (I mean, thats what they would have thought.) Totally sucks.
Roy being a psych dr was attacking her with psy -ops, made it seem like a stalker, then he couldn't over power her the first time, so he made her seem crazy then used meds which he's familiar with to aid him in the other attacks, spouse and ex spouse are usually Prime suspects. Guess they ruled him out.
Also, the stalker only called Roy "once" and he managed to store a record of it in case the police turn to him.
The incompetence of these police departments in this story is seriously mind blowing....🤯🤬
Finally, someone who tells the story at a normal pace without annoying music, tons of ads or ridiculously placed cliff hangers.
And not a snooze fest
Amen
Me: "So Cindy is a knot expert, suicidal maniac, arsonist, pathological liar, cat murderer, telephone line vandal...basically everything except an Apollo astronaut?"
Police: "Yes."
Me: "So Cindy is the victim of a stalker?"
Police: "No."
Where did it say they thought she was a knot expert?
Or, did you pull that out of your ass?
@@dsandoval9396 Or maybe the specific part of the story where they were talking about how her body was tied up? They had specifically said that the police believed she had done it herself.
@@Pythius13 Yeah, I heard that part in the video but OP called her a "knot expert".
My point is just because you know how to tie a few knots doesn't make you an "expert". Anyone can tie a knot, people learn to tie knots as a child tying their shoes.
Point is that it's not some expert skill only a select few know, I'm pretty sure your average office worker knows how to tie knots that tighten on the own.
@@dsandoval9396 It says in the video that the police brought in a “knot expert” to show that it is possible to tie yourself up the specific way that Cindy did. Apparently none of the police force members could do this to themselves or they wouldn’t have had the need to consult a so called “knot expert.” The person that you replied to was joking that Cindy must have also been a “knot expert” for her to have gotten herself tied up that same way.
And did all of that while hopped up on morphine don't forget
I feel like they should have investigated Agnes as well, because the phone calls audio sounded like a woman's voice and Agnes was her close friend
I only recently discovered your channel man and I must say I absolutely LOVE your content.
I've always had a fascination with murder mystery type of programs on TV or unsolved mystery type of things and the way you talk and present each video is TOP NOTCH.
So keep up the good work dude!!!
She was stalked and killed they did not do justice for that poor women.
Typical cops ...too busy drinking coffee n eating doughnuts in a warm office.
YES, that’s what I say too...”Sorry A$$ Cops!”
ACAB
Bootlickers be like "what are you gonna do when u need 🐽s huh??"
This is why I have a gun and adopted German Shepherd/Pitty mix. 🦮🐾🔫
Honestly, I think the police are good at acting as deterrent, but they are not very good if someone who you don't know singles you out.
When do they get justice for women?
The infuriating is, even in the unlikely scenario that she was stalking herself, it would still have been the police's job to investigate and to protect her even if it would have been against herself.
In theory, but in reality, police exist to catch criminals and enforce the law. You should never trust them to do anything proactive.
The unfortunate reality is that police do not offer personal protection or surveillance, but bodyguards do.
The FBI provides personal protection in extreme circumstances and the police only provide serious surveillance if crimes are repeatedly committed.
The deaths of the cats is probably why the police set up surveillance on her house. Since a crime was being committed on the premises, the police wanted to find out who was killing cats.
But they didn't care enough about the cats to continue that expenditure on the city budgets, so I'm sure to very small protest from a cop or two who wanted to protect the cats, the force called off the surveillance.
If you ever feel threatened or insecure, professional bodyguards are your extremely costly solution.
For the police to be able to do that, we would need to pay more in taxes so that we could pay them. The same people who complain are often the same ones who don’t want to pay higher taxes.
Its 1982
@Lanwarder Um. Wat.
Omg i remember his story! I heard it so ewhere else before! I hope you and your family are good and found peace. Definitely a crazy story!
As a former Vancouver resident, I am well aware of the documented incompetence of the Vancouver police force. A decorated police veteran had pinpointed Canadian serial k*ller Robert Pickerton a good year before he was caught. Or at least pinpointed that his pig farm was a central location between all of the Murders. And the police force itself was subjected to public inquiry and slammed for allowing 49 women (a statement Pickton made after incarceration) to be ruthlessly murdered and their bodies eaten by his pigs.
Imagine being stalked and knowing the police didn't believe you and did nothing to help you. It would be soul shattering.
she should've moved to south america or something
Happened to me I had to move across the country :(
@@kerrysmiles damn, girl.. thank god i'm a man and nobody cares to stalk me, lol
@@jwst8 men get stalked too. Some people are just sick. Trust your gut. If someone makes you feel uncomfortable listen to yourself.
Trust me it's fkd
The fact that the coroner found it would be impossible for her 'stage' her own death tells me the cops really f**ked up. I think they have a lot to answer for.
Can anyone explain to me why Police or Herself didn’t setup Video Surveillance in and outside the home? I know they came to property and watched but having actual Video would help clear up a lot of things.
You better believe it! If it was one of their family members or kids they would of done a lot better job! They didn't even take prints?
@Mr. Rich B.O.B most aren’t that bright so not surprising
@@seroogyw6238 Honestly it's because at the time it would cost you about, in todays dollar value, $2k for a camcorder that would give you the video quality of your average bigfoot video. So it wouldn't really be something they would think about in this situation.
Chris Forstner It’s not the point of quality if that is your argument! I guarantee the police themselves had the best equipment at the time or had access to it. To just have flood lights or sit outside at certain times obviously wasn’t enough! Someone should have at least tried setup up some type of VIdeo Surveillance just to get any idea what is happening...
Mr Ballen, love watching your content mate. You have a great way of explaining these stories, amazing mate keep up the great work.
When cops come to a collective conclusion, that’s it, done, over, no other possibilities are even explored, sad but true, tons of cases prove this, on another note the recording does sound like a girl, not saying it’s her at all the evidence of her feet and the needle are very important, just that alone should of made the cops look harder at other possible suspects …. Tragic but fascinating story
I don't even want to get up this early for college classes determining my future in life, but for a Mr. Ballen video, that's different.
Hahahah
There are night jobs 🤷
Let’s appreciate MrBallen because, despite the significant delay in posting this, he still got this video out. Thank you for your commitment sir!
Thank you! Frustrating for sure, but all is right in the world now!
@@MrBallen thanks for making my day better with this video
So true! We love this channel and Mr. Ballen. He’s a GREAT story teller!
New here...great story telling voice, mrballen... unbelievable stories. Thanks for making me aware!
1:14 October 7, 1982 12:53 May 25, 1989
That is 6 years, 7 months, and 18 days. If she was murdered, then her killer took an AWFULLY LONG TIME to finally getting around to it.
Gotta love how the cops just got tired of Cindy, and stopped responding to her calls? Like, that’s your job guys!
No, it's not their job. They responded countless times and investigated and all came to the conclusion that she staged the attacks. Should the police now hire a police officer for every paranoid person that's out there. They have limited resources and have to distribute them to respond to real crime.
@@benjaminfacouchere2395 it’s literally their job to respond to the calls no matter what they feel is happening.
@@cookiedon101 actually the Supreme Court ruled that the police don’t have a constitutional duty to protect or serve. And if they don’t want to they don’t HAVE to respond to calls.. so it’s not technically ‘their job’. I’m not sure exactly how it works. Multiple suits have been filed against multiple states and each time the courts have upheld the same verdict ‘police have no constitutional duty to protect any persons not in custody’
@@benjaminfacouchere2395 I don’t know what you mean by a real crime but this woman was murdered
@@benjaminfacouchere2395 I hope you can be so objective when it affects you
Cindy: *breathes*
Police: pretty sure that's a lie too.
@Biden is illegitimate Not impossible.
@Biden is illegitimate you clearly don't know what impossible means if you think this is impossible
Nah the cops are probably just lazy. You won't get no criminal minds level investigation unless you're important, rich or there's a serial killer running around.
@Biden is illegitimate then answer this... She had a lethal dose of morphine from an iv needle that we both can agree on correct?, the mark was found obviously.... Ok so why wasn't the needle found at her body? The needle was NO WHERE FOUND and she clearly been drugged to kill her. Unless she ate it or shoved it up her own ass somehow, somebody else clearly did this to her. I donno why that's so hard to believe? U can't give yourself a shot like that in the back area(like he said) with her hands tied up... Let alone making sure hitting the vein correctly to make sure its in... That can NOT be done by herself. Unless u can give me a REAL plausible answer on everything I just said.(not picking a fight, I'm just throwing those facts out there and seeing if u can debunk this is all man) then she was killed, not suicide.
@The wildest Of turkeys He did say though that the dosage she had received was one that would have killed her very quickly. He said that IF she did do this to herself then she would have had to inject it and then immediately get to tying herself up. With it being that high of a dosage how did she hide the needle her socks and shoes without getting dirt on her feet and then proceed to tie herself up all in that time frame?
You’d think the police would take a case like this and find the culprit no matter what, but I guess pulling over people for rolling thru a stop sign at 2 mph is easier and more courageous.
I have made it 4 minutes into this and I’m already mad!! “ Make sure your house is locked up “…the window was BROKEN! Obviously it was locked! I can already tell that a serious disservice was done.
I hope everyone who reads this has THE BEST day ever!
Thankyou ^_^ I hope you have the best day ever!
You too.
Cheers Mate , that is a very kind comment for us all. Now you make sure you have the bestest mostbfantabulous day also . Love and blessings to all!
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The worst of this is that the police still thought she was faking EVEN WHEN SHE HAD TWO OTHER WITNESSES, one of whom physically saw the perpetrator run away, even if it was in the dark.
They CHOSE to say that instead of investigating themselves, because the pigs were the stalkers.
@@mrianwonder6527 wtf is wrong with you ahahah, why would police stalk a woman and kill her like this? do you even use your brain
@@brandyhooper5151 yes it has happened before but we don’t know that’s what happened in this case because the police didn’t bother to investigate. It’s that whole investigation thing that is important. When the police don’t do it they’re not doing their job. And if they’re not doing their job we have to ask why.
Or her friends husband lied cuz it was him
@@mrianwonder6527 your a dumb fuck liberal lmao
“Dead meat soon.”
That voice. It made me shudder and look around the room to double check that I was still alone.
was any investigation done of her friend Agnes? That sounds like a woman on the voicemail and she would know her number plus she often seemed to be there just after. Also if you have this much stuff happening you wouldn't go out and leave the door unlocked but I wouldn't be surprised if her friend had a key
I can’t believe basically watching a man tell stories is so riveting. It’s better than a documentary or a tv show. Ballen is definitely a true talent in story telling.
Look at you , hoping for a response from Ballen!!
@@KM-mv3qr ?
@@bmc4175 yeah, you know it.
@@KM-mv3qr hope everything is well with you. God bless.
@@KM-mv3qr so isnt everyone? Dont act special when you know everyone else isnt
No matter who truly is the responsible for this, the police department involved with this case will always be responsible for letting it ever happen
Unfortunately if there is no crime committed they won’t do anything. Sucks. Actually a current thing happening to my sister rn. Cops didn’t do shit.
@@mystaniceguy thats extremely unfortunate
Truth sause
@@steverambo7599 and I’m a supporter of police. Good thing I own firearms. But still it sucks that if there is no crime they won’t do anything
@@mystaniceguy yeah honestly Im fine with the law and all but sometimes I think something should happen whether it specifically falls under a law or not, granted not everything since that would be chaos but it shouldnt be wait until shit gets real then act upon it
I love all your stories .you are the best story telling i have ever heard..
I love your channel so much, thank you!
It’s like the girl who cried wolf, but she was never lying.
the wolf was just too good at hiding
What are u talking about? The boy that cried wolf was lying, its just tge wolf actually showed up in the end.
@@redcrimson1028 Yeah that's what he's saying. The boy cried wolf so much that when an actual wolf appeared, no one believed him. The difference, as Thomas said, was that in this case the girl hadn't been lying.
@@redcrimson1028 lol what are YOU talking about…
@@redcrimson1028 yeah but was he tho? Or was there a wolf all along and people were just like yeaah right kid until he got Eaten haha and then they BLAMED HIM lol
"What do we got chief?"
"Looks like the victim was tied up beaten and tortured by having cigars put out on her back and finally shot in the back of the head"
"My god when will people learn suicide is never the way"
😂 when I read ur comment I just pictured it like some 50’s cop show w satire.
The victim in the afterlife : bruh
This is something Detective Harrison from South Park would say 😂
@@klownfromouttatown1188 "jesus christ monkey balls"
That's crazy to say someone tied they self up and killed they self🤔 why tie yourself up?
You also left out that she took a lie detector test, and she failed the part where they asked her if she knew who was behind all of this. And she refused to tell them who it was.
Lie detector tests don’t accurately determine if you are truthful or not. It tests your heart rate and there’s a conception that if you are calm you are telling the truth. A liar can fool the machine if they keep calm, and honest people can produce false positives if they are nervous for any reason. Regardless if she was honest or not in this case, I’m not surprised she failed after suffering for so long.
Love how you tell stories brother !
There’s a theory it was Roy, that’s pretty strong.
This started just a few months after they split, and continued until her death. He didn’t have as solid of alibis as is mentioned here, he was just “trusted”, being a medical professional. He would have had access to morphine, etc, from his place of work. He also was the person who pegged Cindy as having “mental problems” to the police, implying to them that she was seeking attention. They believed him, as a “professional”.
Hes a psychiatrist, he doesn't have access to morphine
Oh my goodness I think your right. When there was a fire inside her house the neighbor went outside and saw a man and asked him to call 911, but instead he ran away. Of course as a doctor the police trusted him. It makes sense.
good to know! also it seems too convenient that he had a message on his phone "from the stalker" talking about killing cindy lol.
The voicemail was clearly a woman. I'm betting he paid someone with either drugs or cash to call and leave that message at his house.
Or it could’ve been a hitman he assigned. Since running at however old he is might not be suitable for an older man although it is very likely.
*Someone who's never played guitar
Guitarist of 20 years: "I can easily play these licks, she could've done it"
Logic of a knot expert.
Well said.
Very well said indeed the police are just lazy
I thought that too lmaoooo
I wonder if he injected himself with morphine before tying himself up.
LMBO!!! RIGHT!?!?!?
There has been no justice for Cindy or for those innocent ,helpless cats !
I live with DID and I’m honestly not convinced…although truthfully it rarely ends up being like people expect it is. Thank you for the respectful way you spoke of DID, it’s rare for me to see/hear people not treat it as a joke. Much appreciated.
People who don’t mind waiting for mrballens vids to get approved
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I can because I hate just being roasted by him
@@thelikebutton1626 you poor bastard
I have been checking everyday twice a day wondering what the heck's going on with my favorite RUclipsr! Lol
People who do mind waiting because of how YT has become a Big Brother like censor that approves what they think you can and can't see.
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Why are all his videos being flagged?
It makes me sick to think about how the police treated this poor girl, and that whoever did this to her got away with it scott free
To be fair... MrBallen also reported about cases where people (even 'poor girls' ) DID stage a lot of shit to fool the police and everyone to get away with murder... so, while unfortunate this -to them- probably seemed very much like one of those cases.
@@fumomofumosarum5893 I get that but that doesn't mean they should treat every case as if it's the same as the last one. That's just bad work ethic.
@@fumomofumosarum5893 TO BE FAIR her husband who was actually a psychiatrist, never noticed this diagnosis.. 16 years and he was a psychiatrist.. that says alot
@@fumomofumosarum5893 to be fair, I don't get to "chose" what part of my job I do. They have a job to do, and their neglegence probably allowed her to get murdered and also made this womans last few years absolute hell. Shame on them! Do your job properly
Her family should of sued both Police Departments for wrongful death, failure to provide/render aid and tampering with evidence. Also to include ALL the mental, emotional, psychological and physical stress she suffered. Poor lady, the people and persons who were paid to protect and serve her as a citizen FAILED her horribly!