I feel like Act II was kinda rushed too. It felt like it did get a lot of love but it felt rushed nonetheless. Of course compared to the overdrive Act III was in, it feels like a walk in the park
@@ReignofIndepence I bet you've never even played the game. The 1st and 2nd acts were decent but the 3rd act was rushed even then I still enjoyed the idea of their own symbiote invasion.
It’s funny how both games are around the same length, but the first feels like a complete story, while the second feels like it’s missing just those little extra bits. It’s pretty much a majority opinion that this game should have been just that little bit longer.
I felt like Peter’s symbiote abilities weren’t expanded on enough. Sure we got like symbiote punch, tendril grab, but I feel that web of shadows handled the symbiote much better.
They lied when they said they doubled the map size by adding Queens. There's not much to do in Queens, and since it's mostly suburb, you just end up gliding over and ignoring most of the area. and HALF of Manhattan is missing. Did anyone else notice that??
Interesting look back on Spider-Man 2, the game did feel short, and certain things like the dynamics of Harry and Venom and Peter being affected by Venom, should have been fleshed out a little more. As for the "Venom world takeover" that should have had more urgency to it, like locking side content to emphasize the fact the city is in danger. Apart from these little nitpicks of mine, I throughly enjoyed the game.
Oh yeah, I haven’t thought about that last part, very good point. The minions were just casually around the city, looking back at it, that was weird without everyone going into lockdown
@@UnofficialZoomer it messed with the immersion, npcs walking casually, then they run when the symbiotes attack. Then they are calm when you deal with them.
Yep. I said this stuff back when the game came out and everyone said “it doesn’t matter if it’s short a game shouldn’t be artificially lengthened”. When it’s not JUST short. I’ve played plenty of short games. The first that comes to mind is Resident Evil 7, one of my favorite games of all time. It’s a short game and yet I have no issue with the length. Spider-Man 2 being short IS an issue because it actually feels rushed in certain aspects. Combine this with the game being $70, and despite enjoying it and getting the platinum, I found myself constantly debating with myself on whether it was actually worth it or not. Overall still good game, it just should’ve probably been delayed one more time and for anyone who hasn’t played it yet, I’d recommend waiting for a sale to buy it.
I didnt like the way he got the symbiote in this game. Needing to be revived after getting killed by Kraven within 3 seconds of meeting him seemed extremely lazy to me, especially when you consider that this Spidey has like 10 years or so of experience.
They should've saved Peter dying and reviving for SM3 against Green Goblin like a what if for the ultimate comics where he actually did die against him
ikr ? This Peter was soloing the entire Sinister Six while being mortally wounded in the previous game, and somehow Kraven just randomly show up and bodied him ? How ? And what even is Kraven's power ? Why did he have an army ?
He was stabbed by poisoned twice in the first game, stabbed by a giant tentacle through a shoulder where there is a very tight cluster of important blood vessels, but then he dies from a stab to the side? That's ridiculous bro
9:55 I feel like everyone who played this game missed her line explaining she had training with Sable during Symkaria We deserve a directors cut. Some scenes where Miles bonds a little with Harry since they both lost a parent and they both have powers to prevent it happening again. We need to get the black suit earlier to have a better transition between Casual lowenthal to Menace Lowenthal.
Looking back at the MJ missions, she did mention that lol, it is also the reason she kinda of knows how to speak their language. This however is giving me the same vibe as not seeing Kraven fight the villains from the first game, but hey, the less MJ cutscenes the better. A directors cut would be nice so that I don't feel robbed of how short this was, but again, ill still be paying money for either a DLC if that comes out, or a directors cut......so spending money is inevetiable
Probably no is reading this but I completely agree with your points. I had a few ideas that could've made the game feel more impactful and more emotional, first off, I would've kept Agent Venom around longer for more encounters with Peter and Miles, Harry and Miles saw each other as competition for being Peter's best friend so why not have a mission or two where the two actively compete against each other and try to prove superiority over each other? This could've deepened Venom's anger towards Miles in the end game and also give Miles more screen time. Another idea I had is common but keeping the Black Suit around longer would've been nice, it really feels like we didn't even have it for long, it was just Peter having it for the lizard part and then he loses control and then immediately gets it removed. Why not keep it around longer? Also wouldn't have the Symbiote interested Kraven? I doubt he's seen anything like it with him being an expert in all things wild, I think it would've been cool for him to find out it cured Harry's sickness and then attempt to hunt Pete to get it for himself and become the ultimate Predator (Venom). Another thing I also would've done is emphasized Harry's emotional state after he loses the symbiote. The symbiote made him feel like a hero, Harry wanted to be like Pete that's why he based his suit off of his in the first place, imagine if they made Harry and Miles compete against each other and then later when Harry loses the symbiote, imagine the disappointment, uselessness, and jealousy building up in him, one minute being a hero that's actively helping those around him, and the next minute seeing his best friend who already has powers, wear the suit that made himself special and healthy and to also see Miles actively doing what Harry himself can't do, all while slowly dying with no cure. All of these factors could've pushed Harry to the edge and been what motivated Venom. I just feel like Venom did not have good motivation and depended too much on the corruption of the symbiote instead of having the symbiote use Harry's insecurities to do what he did in the game. Another thing, have Miles more involved in the Kraven and Symbiote arcs. Give the man more screen time! A cool idea I had is what if when Miles allowed Li to escape the Mansion, instead of staying back and attempting to take on Kraven, what if Miles tried to escape too which led into a chase portion where Miles is trying with all his power to escape Kraven and his hunters, using his invisibility and his bioelectricity what if this became a game of cat and mouse with Miles as the Prey and Kraven as the Hunter? Then lead into the capture of Miles and Peter going berserk. I could say way more but I don't think anyone would be interested in reading more of this.
First off, DAYMN, I had to turn off my zoomer attention span to prepare for this essay you cooked. Thank you for taking the time to write all this. As you said about Harry and Miles competing for Peter, that was kind of shown/hinted. However, the time spent with Agent Venom could have absolutely resulted in different possibilities other than just fighting off Kravens minions. Your version of the story with Harry and Miles is definitely more intense/sad lol, but it would have made Venom have stronger motivations during the finale. ANNND Kraven interested in having venom for the cure?? This cooking is way above my pay grade, but I feel like this could've been more interesting than what we got.
@@UnofficialZoomer haha yeah thanks! These were just some of my thoughts while playing the game and don't get me wrong I'm still happy with what we got but I feel like expanding on concepts they laid out really would've made this game pop
Honestly sony really messed up this game for us, they rushed Insomniac and you can tell. There are so many scrapped fights, lines, and content in general. I hate that they did it because this is the most symbiote suit peter content we will get in a while.
I think the problem i had in sm2 is that the missions are so good that its kinda short, and i think the act 3 of the game, the symbiote takeover, is a good way to dump us some more missions.
@@UnofficialZoomerYou know, in real life most people at home are enjoying all those games you consider bad. I guess you could argue that if Spider-Man 2 released in 2028, it would have every feature you wanted. Maybe GOD of War Ragnorak released in 2025, there would be more adventure as well. But you know what? I personally enjoyed SpiderMan 2 than any other game on PS5. Though you likely call other games I play mediocre anyway
Very rushed. Act III felt so tiny. The black suit felt underutilized, we didn't get enough time with Harry like we did with Otto and many other issues.
I really agree for the most part. There were so many storylines and everything just needed that (little) bit extra to make it feel more worthwhile. A bit more for Miles (with Ganke, Hailey, Rio and Harry). A bit more of black suit Peter (quite a bit more). Perhaps missions where you tried protecting villains like Vulture, Shocker, or Electro. A final act that wouldn't feel as rushed (and didn't include the random appearance of the colgate suit). I'd have loved a few more grounded, unmasked scenes as well. I think that aspect was a little lacking compared to the first two games.
@@UnofficialZoomer Haha thanks. I’m probably not experienced enough with storytelling to actually be hired or anything. I’m just looking at the story in and hindsight and say what I’d have changed (mostly added, actually) without really changing the story. That said, I have started writing my novel ideas, so… who knows?
@@UnofficialZoomer Thanks. I’ve been dabbling in sci-fi/fantasy. And I do think of with directions I’d like to take Spider-Man, though in terms of actually writing it all down, I give priority to my own worlds and characters.
@@jarmoliebrand2005that’s a good way to start, thinking about how you can change a story you’ve experienced or a movie you’ve watched. Get creative, and feel free to share it once you’re done
@@randomguy1226If that were to actually be the case, it would remind me of a certain game from Sonic Team. If you don’t get it, Sonic Frontiers, which was released a year before Spider-Man 2, had free DLC.
well maybe if we didn’t waste time doing things like zapping bees, riding bikes, and helping black cat flee to paris, then we could’ve ended up with efforts put into more important parts of the game.
it honestly annoys me how much it is wasted because if it was just longer, than it could have been such a great game and explore one of the best spiderman arks with some of the best villans in the series, but they wasted it by rushing through and not letting it playout and develop characters.
@@UnofficialZoomerSpider-Man 2018 - Feels neat, well crafted, and one to one with the comics in some instances. Spider-Man 2 - Feels rushed out on a deadline.
I won’t forget during the time the trailer was published for the first game everyone wasn’t happy not expecting much from insomniac spiderman glady they delivered 👌🏻
Great Job! Great Video mate!! You're personality really shines through the editing and your sense of humor lol. Can't wait to see more, I genuinely mean that
I love it but the story is amazing however the first 2 acts was amazing. It's only the third act was rushed. It could have been an additional 5 hours longer. They pretty much repeated the same mistake as God of War Ragnarok which is rushed third act. But that's nothing short of amazing. Both games are phenomenal. Marvel's Spider Man 2 is still the best Marvel game ever.
This might be a hot take, but with the capacities that a console like the ps5 holds (and sony is trying to show us by it's marketing) triple A games campaigns should not be less than 20hs. They have more than enough resources to make a long and complete game that truly feels like a fulfill experience. I LOVED Spider-Man 2, but a 15hs campaign is a straight up disappointment from where we are standing at the current state of the videogame industry.
Yeah I have to disagree with you. If they made the game 20 hours either it would be bloated as hell or it would take another year to come out. I also find it extremely weird how nobody had this problem with the first game, even though it was 13 hours and a solid hour of that was playing as Miles/MJ. People just have insanely unfair expectations. I will say though, I wish there was a lot more optional content to do.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 Then just delay the game. People didn´t had a problem with the first one because it was a full new engine, new mechanics, new combat system, everything new, here in 2, not so much.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 spiderman ps4 ending doesnt feel rushed at all,the build up actually pays off, there is the answer to this "extremely weird" situation
In my experience, the game doesn’t feel rushed. I play them all in the way of finishing side content as each district is introduced, which gives added dialogue surrounding the story beats you mentioned going too quickly (when you’re just playing the main story). The way I played it actually was 35 hours, and I haven’t even started the story again yet.
@@benmcclenaghan4117 100% the game, then comment again. If there’s any question about if they Want you to complete it, go back to the first game and see how often it reminds you to take care of the city between missions.
The final act just felt like they realized it was a video game and made us do a bunch of stereotypical video game stuff as they took a step back from the overall story while also trying to unnecessarily upstage the events of the first games finale.
My issues with the game are the devs going put of their way to pander to lgbtq, making MJ a girlboss, nerfing peter and making deaf girl gameplay instead of focusing all of that on the story.
Only in modern gaming where a 5 year wait for a game still feels rushed and fans argue why this didn’t win goty over the master piece that is baldur’s gate 3
Honestly I was most excitted for a new and refreshing adaptation on Venom that brought him back to his roots as a villain, but I was severely disappointed on that front. I had hope for Harry being a good Venom, but with this and the Ultimate tv show, writers need to leave Harry out of the alien sludge.
felt like the last act could’ve been longer maybe a iinitial fight between venom and pete where venom could completely pieced him up and miles and him could’ve have a bigger role getting ready for the bigger fight
i wish the city had way more unique sidequests to make it feel more alive. we got some nice ones through the app gimmick but most of the villain-dedicated side content was very repetitive.
This Game would have been a 10/10 to me, but i would have loved to See Kraven kill off the sinister six so we would think about him more as a Threat than what He actually was. Also 2 more Hours of Black Suit Gameplay where Pete actually lost himself, we couldn't control him or the Mechanic that we have to remove the suit sometimes which also made it harder was totally missed. Game is good but way too short and has many plotholes. Act 1 was good, Act 2 was great but Act 3 was so Rushed that i was so disapointed. Game is a 8/10, it's tausend Times better than Miles Morales but not better than the first Game.
I got the platinum in under 25 hours. I feel like a game of this size should be £45-50 tops. If I’m paying 70 for a game I expect a minimum of 50 hours.
Also, Spider-Man 2 was originally going to feature Black Cat, Lizard and Hobgoblin alongside Doc Ock. But all except one were scrapped because the writers apparently suck at both love-triangles and war-triangles. But I would rather have these villains and antiheroes in Spider-Man 2 than to have both MJ and Jameson III ruin the plot. Another plot-ruiner was killing off Doc Ock, he was supposed to be imprisoned by the end of 2, then busting out in 3 to form the Sinister Six, instead that was thrown away just to shoehorn Venom.
Didn’t doc ock appear in the very very end? Didn’t they hint for a sequel?? Gamerant: “ The post-credits scenes hint at future plot developments, including the return of Doctor Octopus, as well as the introduction of Cindy Moon as Spider-Person Silk. Potential appearances from Chameleon and Carnage have been setup for the next game as well.”
I think Spider-Man 2 was rushed not because the main story but because there was nothing else to do after it. Put games like Arkham Knight and how that too was 15+ hours for the main story. The game has plenty of side missions and crimes that you can do in the city, there isn't much of that in Spider-Man 2 and that's why the game seemed too quick and why I think the game was rushed.
Comparing Spider-Man 2's story pacing to the 2018 game, it's night and day. I would've gladly accepted a version of this game that was 30-50 hours long if it meant we had more time in each arc of the game. For example, Insomniac could have used arc of the story to subtly hint that Peter feels like he's not living up to his role as Spider-Man, so that when we get the symbiote, we feel like a better Spider-Man than even Miles. That's just spitballing, though. I don't know if it would've worked with the workload I'm sure Insomniac has.
Spiderman 2 was really rushed and unfortunately they cut a lot of stuff from the game. There was supposed to be a riot boss fight and an agony boss fight as well but they were scrapped due to not having enough time.
@@UnofficialZoomer Yea venom was also said to have an appearance within act 2. I got some of my info from someone who got access to the leaked pc build files.
Spider-Man 2 wasn’t rushed. It was poorly managed. The game had poor focus as multiple projects were being put into fruition. ALL the development should’ve been on Spider-Man 2. Also time management was poor as for as what given priority to develop. Insomniac had FIVE YEARS to develop a game where the core gameplay/structure, story Structure, & concept already existed. They didn’t start from scratch like the 1st game. It’s not Sony’s fault, it’s insomniac. The game should’ve been done by the deadline. Sony didn’t creatively interfere, all they did was set a deadline. 5 years is a LONG time for this kind of game. insomniac should’ve focused on WHAT ACTUALLY MATTERS.
I put like 150 hours into Baldurs Gate 3 and I thought it was short. Spider-man took about 20 hours and I thought it dragged on far too long. Don't get me wrong, the game is very fun to play and impressive mechanically, but the story and characters are not very good.
In my opinion, venom shouldn't have been the main villain. The ultimate version of green goblin would've been better and kraven was very underutilized. They need to find better writers for miles morales he's either not there and getting on my nerves. Peter Parker seems to just get shit on alot recently.
I honestly felt Peter should of best miles then took the suit off himself. Having miles do it is damaging to Peter’s character as he is meant to overcome the suit
Yeah I've played it 8 times and deleted some of the save games just to have to play the game again so yeah I'm still obsessed with it but I still feel that the game feels rushed and as amazing as it it is, it could have been a whole lot better
That is in--SANE, 180 hrs?! Bro please take it easy, there are other good games out there lol. Also join the discord if you feel like it discord.gg/TAuGNWH4
@UnofficialZoomer I know but I can't afford games that much and I've really played all of them anyway so you know and I can't let go of games too but I've been thinking of buying alan wake 2 but I'm afraid of horror games 😅 and that's the only game I haven't played so there
The story is only part that felt rushed mainly with the symbiote would’ve preferred Harry having a stronger motivation to become venom that scene with Peter and Norman came outta nowhere and I would’ve preferred lesss of a symbiote invasion and more of just a personal fight between Pete and venom without the “city always facing a avengers level threat” hope the 3rd game doesn’t do a goblin disease type thing or any plunging the city into a crisis I miss street level simple stories
They should have kept Peter with the symbiote in the rest of this game. He progresses though the main-story and everyone thinking it was indeed a good way to help everyone, but then, at the end of the game, Peter shows sign of agression, keeping Kraven the main villain here and he inevitably dying. But then in the third game, at 40% story, Miles and Peter fight due to the Symbiote's Affect and he losses the symbiote. 50%, he gets the Anti-Venom, the rest it would´ve been venom storyline. I dunno, I want to make pter have the symbiote as much as he can possibly have but if Insomiac could only afford 3 games, then this would've worked
my only problems with the game was the rushed symbiote battle and the final boss not living up to the hype. We saw countless trailers showing peter and miles in their classic suits fighting venom throughout the city. I also feel like we got the anti venom suit too soon, would have been better story wise to have it like in the middle of the boss battle
greatness comes with deadlines... Spider man 1 was also rushed, and every film ever made was rushed.. They just cant take their sweet ass time, as these are high budget films with many people's schedules on the line.. Most ppl cant even get their friend to align schedules imagine 800-2000 ppl.. We can only be greatful they put in these efforts for our entertainment
It was rushed for sure. Neither Kraven or Venom had enough time in the spotlight to be fleshed out and feel like actual threats. Kraven spent to much time behind the scenes instead of being present as much as his hunters were, and that was a letdown. As for Venom, he had no real motive or reason to be in this game and was only there for fan service imo.
@@brianbrisco8823 my point is that Kraven and Venom have a correct amount of spotlight and have a much threatening presence. And if you choose to see it in a negative light then suit yourself.
This how act 2 into act 3 should’ve happened instead of just miles finishing Peter off we should’ve been Peter and took down miles and then having miles retreat then we as Peter go searching for kraven “killllll kraven” we actually don’t kill kraven Peter stops the symbiote from doing it and you leave him brutally beat up and swing away as Peter realizes what he has done the symbiote takes over and makes Peter think miles is js getting in the way of him being a “better Spider-Man” then we can get some gameplay/3-4 more missions then a mission of miles tracking down Peter and the symbiote to end it once and for all then your fight Peter as miles but it’s not as easy as it was bc he’s stronger and the symbiote is angrier then you defeat Pete and he takes the suit back to the oscorp and he makes it this time puts it back and Connor’s is trying to figure out the symbiote it attacks Connor’s and brutally hurting him Harry walks in and sees Connor’s injured but doesn’t see the symbiote creeping up on him then he turns to venom “then we get the cutscene we had in the regular game when his dad walked in and Harry turns his dad into riot he jumps away leaving Peter and Connor’s brutally injured venom is also gone so you go on 3-4 more missions finding riot/harrys dad you fight him and help him escape the symbiote you take him to the hospital and then the game continues how the end continues the venom infested city “heal the world” then mj still gets turned into scream but instead of js fighting her infront of Pete’s house you fight her once in front of Pete’s house then you have to chase her through the city until you arrive at the daily bugle where she has JJJ dangling from a single web over the top of the daily bugle “obviously you defeat scream safe mj from the symbiote and save JJJ he still calls you a menace you swing mj to the hospital to get checked out atp Peter is angry so yk he calls miles and is ready to end it all “Peter obviously gets anti -venom then venom sends out hybrid mayhem and mania you and moles defeat them and have one final boss battle with venom obviously you win like the actual game you destroy the rock Harry still “dies” miles brings him back Norman blames you for Harry Cletus still makes off with the carnage symbiote and the games ends the same “carnage in a DLC” sorry I wrote so much js my idea of the game don’t hate on it it’s js an idea of how I thought the game should’ve/couldve ended 😂😂😂😂😂
Hopefully we see dlc soon I mean compared to boss fights in this game compared to last game is a huge difference like we do have a decent amount of enemies and actually really good boss fights in spider man 2 but spider man 1/Remastered it’s no competition the amount of bosses is like an Arkham game.
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The first 2 acts weren't rushed but act 3 with the symbiote takeover was rushed because Sony didn't give them enough time
Thank you! Someone here actually uses their brain.
I feel like Act II was kinda rushed too. It felt like it did get a lot of love but it felt rushed nonetheless. Of course compared to the overdrive Act III was in, it feels like a walk in the park
More than agreed, should have gotten more obscure symbiotes other than Scream.
It's been how long since the last game? Stop making excuses for them
@@ReignofIndepence I bet you've never even played the game. The 1st and 2nd acts were decent but the 3rd act was rushed even then I still enjoyed the idea of their own symbiote invasion.
It’s funny how both games are around the same length, but the first feels like a complete story, while the second feels like it’s missing just those little extra bits.
It’s pretty much a majority opinion that this game should have been just that little bit longer.
The symbiote and venom part could’ve been longer
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I felt like Peter’s symbiote abilities weren’t expanded on enough. Sure we got like symbiote punch, tendril grab, but I feel that web of shadows handled the symbiote much better.
No substance these days
@@JacobBen94 yeah man…
yea
And it doesn’t help that miles and peter special attacks are mostly the same
@@DelsinRaw exactly, kind of an underwhelming delivery from insomniac tbh
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who thought spider man 2 looked unfinished
Don’t be so glad, tis sad😢
@@UnofficialZoomer I liked it
@StormtrooperDoge we all did, it just needed to be longer
The symbiote section was pretty lacking and they didn't do anything interesting with Harry as Venom
All 4 Arkham games feel unfinished.
They lied when they said they doubled the map size by adding Queens. There's not much to do in Queens, and since it's mostly suburb, you just end up gliding over and ignoring most of the area. and HALF of Manhattan is missing. Did anyone else notice that??
Interesting look back on Spider-Man 2, the game did feel short, and certain things like the dynamics of Harry and Venom and Peter being affected by Venom, should have been fleshed out a little more. As for the "Venom world takeover" that should have had more urgency to it, like locking side content to emphasize the fact the city is in danger. Apart from these little nitpicks of mine, I throughly enjoyed the game.
Oh yeah, I haven’t thought about that last part, very good point. The minions were just casually around the city, looking back at it, that was weird without everyone going into lockdown
@@UnofficialZoomer it messed with the immersion, npcs walking casually, then they run when the symbiotes attack. Then they are calm when you deal with them.
@@UnofficialZoomerI agreed only the third act was rushed, it could have been an additional 5 hours longer
Peter being affected by venom is already perfect enough, but i agree that harry and venom's relationship and the symbiote takeover needed more time.
Yep. I said this stuff back when the game came out and everyone said “it doesn’t matter if it’s short a game shouldn’t be artificially lengthened”. When it’s not JUST short. I’ve played plenty of short games. The first that comes to mind is Resident Evil 7, one of my favorite games of all time. It’s a short game and yet I have no issue with the length.
Spider-Man 2 being short IS an issue because it actually feels rushed in certain aspects. Combine this with the game being $70, and despite enjoying it and getting the platinum, I found myself constantly debating with myself on whether it was actually worth it or not.
Overall still good game, it just should’ve probably been delayed one more time and for anyone who hasn’t played it yet, I’d recommend waiting for a sale to buy it.
I didnt like the way he got the symbiote in this game. Needing to be revived after getting killed by Kraven within 3 seconds of meeting him seemed extremely lazy to me, especially when you consider that this Spidey has like 10 years or so of experience.
They should've saved Peter dying and reviving for SM3 against Green Goblin like a what if for the ultimate comics where he actually did die against him
ikr ? This Peter was soloing the entire Sinister Six while being mortally wounded in the previous game, and somehow Kraven just randomly show up and bodied him ? How ? And what even is Kraven's power ? Why did he have an army ?
He was stabbed by poisoned twice in the first game, stabbed by a giant tentacle through a shoulder where there is a very tight cluster of important blood vessels, but then he dies from a stab to the side? That's ridiculous bro
@@NoName-ym5zjik it just feels like they nerfed him for plot 😐
9:55 I feel like everyone who played this game missed her line explaining she had training with Sable during Symkaria
We deserve a directors cut. Some scenes where Miles bonds a little with Harry since they both lost a parent and they both have powers to prevent it happening again.
We need to get the black suit earlier to have a better transition between Casual lowenthal to Menace Lowenthal.
Looking back at the MJ missions, she did mention that lol, it is also the reason she kinda of knows how to speak their language. This however is giving me the same vibe as not seeing Kraven fight the villains from the first game, but hey, the less MJ cutscenes the better.
A directors cut would be nice so that I don't feel robbed of how short this was, but again, ill still be paying money for either a DLC if that comes out, or a directors cut......so spending money is inevetiable
sony better give insomniac time to develop spider-man 3
I’m counting on you Venom, they better not rush this
@@UnofficialZoomerSpiderman 3 = Carnage
Probably no is reading this but I completely agree with your points. I had a few ideas that could've made the game feel more impactful and more emotional, first off, I would've kept Agent Venom around longer for more encounters with Peter and Miles, Harry and Miles saw each other as competition for being Peter's best friend so why not have a mission or two where the two actively compete against each other and try to prove superiority over each other? This could've deepened Venom's anger towards Miles in the end game and also give Miles more screen time. Another idea I had is common but keeping the Black Suit around longer would've been nice, it really feels like we didn't even have it for long, it was just Peter having it for the lizard part and then he loses control and then immediately gets it removed. Why not keep it around longer? Also wouldn't have the Symbiote interested Kraven? I doubt he's seen anything like it with him being an expert in all things wild, I think it would've been cool for him to find out it cured Harry's sickness and then attempt to hunt Pete to get it for himself and become the ultimate Predator (Venom). Another thing I also would've done is emphasized Harry's emotional state after he loses the symbiote. The symbiote made him feel like a hero, Harry wanted to be like Pete that's why he based his suit off of his in the first place, imagine if they made Harry and Miles compete against each other and then later when Harry loses the symbiote, imagine the disappointment, uselessness, and jealousy building up in him, one minute being a hero that's actively helping those around him, and the next minute seeing his best friend who already has powers, wear the suit that made himself special and healthy and to also see Miles actively doing what Harry himself can't do, all while slowly dying with no cure. All of these factors could've pushed Harry to the edge and been what motivated Venom. I just feel like Venom did not have good motivation and depended too much on the corruption of the symbiote instead of having the symbiote use Harry's insecurities to do what he did in the game. Another thing, have Miles more involved in the Kraven and Symbiote arcs. Give the man more screen time! A cool idea I had is what if when Miles allowed Li to escape the Mansion, instead of staying back and attempting to take on Kraven, what if Miles tried to escape too which led into a chase portion where Miles is trying with all his power to escape Kraven and his hunters, using his invisibility and his bioelectricity what if this became a game of cat and mouse with Miles as the Prey and Kraven as the Hunter? Then lead into the capture of Miles and Peter going berserk. I could say way more but I don't think anyone would be interested in reading more of this.
First off, DAYMN, I had to turn off my zoomer attention span to prepare for this essay you cooked. Thank you for taking the time to write all this.
As you said about Harry and Miles competing for Peter, that was kind of shown/hinted. However, the time spent with Agent Venom could have absolutely resulted in different possibilities other than just fighting off Kravens minions.
Your version of the story with Harry and Miles is definitely more intense/sad lol, but it would have made Venom have stronger motivations during the finale.
ANNND Kraven interested in having venom for the cure?? This cooking is way above my pay grade, but I feel like this could've been more interesting than what we got.
@@UnofficialZoomer haha yeah thanks! These were just some of my thoughts while playing the game and don't get me wrong I'm still happy with what we got but I feel like expanding on concepts they laid out really would've made this game pop
Honestly sony really messed up this game for us, they rushed Insomniac and you can tell. There are so many scrapped fights, lines, and content in general. I hate that they did it because this is the most symbiote suit peter content we will get in a while.
I think the problem i had in sm2 is that the missions are so good that its kinda short, and i think the act 3 of the game, the symbiote takeover, is a good way to dump us some more missions.
This is your GAME! Why couldn’t you ask them to cook more ?!
@@UnofficialZoomer He only participated as a voice actor and stunt double. The Man behind the suit most of the time is Tom Holland
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And half the missions are short as is there’s a few that are just cutscenes
@@UnofficialZoomerYou know, in real life most people at home are enjoying all those games you consider bad.
I guess you could argue that if Spider-Man 2 released in 2028, it would have every feature you wanted. Maybe GOD of War Ragnorak released in 2025, there would be more adventure as well.
But you know what? I personally enjoyed SpiderMan 2 than any other game on PS5. Though you likely call other games I play mediocre anyway
Very rushed. Act III felt so tiny. The black suit felt underutilized, we didn't get enough time with Harry like we did with Otto and many other issues.
I really agree for the most part. There were so many storylines and everything just needed that (little) bit extra to make it feel more worthwhile. A bit more for Miles (with Ganke, Hailey, Rio and Harry). A bit more of black suit Peter (quite a bit more). Perhaps missions where you tried protecting villains like Vulture, Shocker, or Electro. A final act that wouldn't feel as rushed (and didn't include the random appearance of the colgate suit). I'd have loved a few more grounded, unmasked scenes as well. I think that aspect was a little lacking compared to the first two games.
INSOMNIAC HIRE THIS MAN
@@UnofficialZoomer Haha thanks. I’m probably not experienced enough with storytelling to actually be hired or anything. I’m just looking at the story in and hindsight and say what I’d have changed (mostly added, actually) without really changing the story. That said, I have started writing my novel ideas, so… who knows?
I see potential and I see you tryna be very humble. Working on a novel too?? U Going places. Don’t forget the unofficialzoomer that believed in you
@@UnofficialZoomer Thanks. I’ve been dabbling in sci-fi/fantasy. And I do think of with directions I’d like to take Spider-Man, though in terms of actually writing it all down, I give priority to my own worlds and characters.
@@jarmoliebrand2005that’s a good way to start, thinking about how you can change a story you’ve experienced or a movie you’ve watched. Get creative, and feel free to share it once you’re done
There was like no side content. The world still felt empty
The game is great but for 70$ (80€ in Germany) it felt really short and rushed I wished it to be a little longer
100%. 70$ is a big ask for the length of this, but I made an exception for spidey smh
It might be worth it once dlc comes
@@UnofficialZoomerdefinitely, But it might be worth it because from leaks DLC might be free!
Free DLC?? Sounds too good to be true
@@randomguy1226If that were to actually be the case, it would remind me of a certain game from Sonic Team.
If you don’t get it, Sonic Frontiers, which was released a year before Spider-Man 2, had free DLC.
game woulda been peak if it wasnt for that 15 hour story😭😭
Honestly I don’t think it’s too bad considering a lot of games will try and pad out the story to make it longer
well maybe if we didn’t waste time doing things like zapping bees, riding bikes, and helping black cat flee to paris, then we could’ve ended up with efforts put into more important parts of the game.
Good point 😂
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it honestly annoys me how much it is wasted because if it was just longer, than it could have been such a great game and explore one of the best spiderman arks with some of the best villans in the series, but they wasted it by rushing through and not letting it playout and develop characters.
I hope the next one takes its time and actually have good pacing.
Whenever that happens
@@UnofficialZoomerSpider-Man 2018 - Feels neat, well crafted, and one to one with the comics in some instances.
Spider-Man 2 - Feels rushed out on a deadline.
Agreed
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I love it but the story is amazing however the first 2 acts was amazing. It's only the third act was rushed. It could have been an additional 5 hours longer. They pretty much repeated the same mistake as God of War Ragnarok which is rushed third act. But that's nothing short of amazing. Both games are phenomenal. Marvel's Spider Man 2 is still the best Marvel game ever.
This might be a hot take, but with the capacities that a console like the ps5 holds (and sony is trying to show us by it's marketing) triple A games campaigns should not be less than 20hs. They have more than enough resources to make a long and complete game that truly feels like a fulfill experience. I LOVED Spider-Man 2, but a 15hs campaign is a straight up disappointment from where we are standing at the current state of the videogame industry.
Valid take
Yeah I have to disagree with you. If they made the game 20 hours either it would be bloated as hell or it would take another year to come out.
I also find it extremely weird how nobody had this problem with the first game, even though it was 13 hours and a solid hour of that was playing as Miles/MJ. People just have insanely unfair expectations.
I will say though, I wish there was a lot more optional content to do.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 Then just delay the game. People didn´t had a problem with the first one because it was a full new engine, new mechanics, new combat system, everything new, here in 2, not so much.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 spiderman ps4 ending doesnt feel rushed at all,the build up actually pays off, there is the answer to this "extremely weird" situation
@@RuziNuk3 yeah because in a sequel you're supposed to make a new engine and completely overhall the game. Foh. And fyi they did add new mechanics
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They did the story so well, but they should've just made it a longer game. It would've been perfect.
Such a shame that its that short. Spiderman 2 dlc is definitely needed right now.
that story is a 5 out of 10 at best
@@mrmelonman2893 5 out of 10 is insane
@@n3nnnn how? It has so many problems that I don't even what to get into it
@@mrmelonman2893 doesn't mean you could rate the storyline that low
The traversal speeds in this game alone are what makes me not want to to go back.
100%
In my experience, the game doesn’t feel rushed. I play them all in the way of finishing side content as each district is introduced, which gives added dialogue surrounding the story beats you mentioned going too quickly (when you’re just playing the main story). The way I played it actually was 35 hours, and I haven’t even started the story again yet.
It is 15 hours
@@benmcclenaghan4117 100% the game, then comment again. If there’s any question about if they Want you to complete it, go back to the first game and see how often it reminds you to take care of the city between missions.
The final act just felt like they realized it was a video game and made us do a bunch of stereotypical video game stuff as they took a step back from the overall story while also trying to unnecessarily upstage the events of the first games finale.
My issues with the game are the devs going put of their way to pander to lgbtq, making MJ a girlboss, nerfing peter and making deaf girl gameplay instead of focusing all of that on the story.
most definitely, it barely grazed the expectation
Only in modern gaming where a 5 year wait for a game still feels rushed and fans argue why this didn’t win goty over the master piece that is baldur’s gate 3
I had to replay it twice because my first run was definitely rushed just to see venom 😂
I rushed to avoid spoilers but already knew half the game up to act 3 already before playing the game because it got spoiled lol
Honestly I was most excitted for a new and refreshing adaptation on Venom that brought him back to his roots as a villain, but I was severely disappointed on that front.
I had hope for Harry being a good Venom, but with this and the Ultimate tv show, writers need to leave Harry out of the alien sludge.
haven’t watched the full vid yet but to answer the title YES for a symbiote
spider-man story the shit was short asf and wasn’t executed well
I’ve gotten 100 hours so def worth the money for swinging and vibes alone
0:28 Toby became Dani for a sec there
Peter should’ve had the black suit longer so yeah it was a little rushed
It was a good game, but it could have been a great game if everything was fleshed out more and plot points had more time to breathe
One of the most anticipated games failed so bad I might not even play another spider man game fr fr.
felt like the last act could’ve been longer maybe a iinitial fight between venom and pete where venom could completely pieced him up and miles and him could’ve have a bigger role getting ready for the bigger fight
i wish the city had way more unique sidequests to make it feel more alive. we got some nice ones through the app gimmick but most of the villain-dedicated side content was very repetitive.
this chanell is mad underated
The PS4 Spider-Man is my favorite game. It is a full package experience through and through.
i think i agree with everything, i experienced 200 glitches in my first playthrough.
That’s a lot of glitches…
This Game would have been a 10/10 to me, but i would have loved to See Kraven kill off the sinister six so we would think about him more as a Threat than what He actually was. Also 2 more Hours of Black Suit Gameplay where Pete actually lost himself, we couldn't control him or the Mechanic that we have to remove the suit sometimes which also made it harder was totally missed. Game is good but way too short and has many plotholes. Act 1 was good, Act 2 was great but Act 3 was so Rushed that i was so disapointed. Game is a 8/10, it's tausend Times better than Miles Morales but not better than the first Game.
Yes tf it was we have been waiting MONTHS for NG+ so long that i forgot about the game and dont care anymore
I see it as a win because it’s still super good especially compared to all the recent games
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I got the platinum in under 25 hours. I feel like a game of this size should be £45-50 tops. If I’m paying 70 for a game I expect a minimum of 50 hours.
this game is amazing I love how this game is "Short" because the hours that I played the game felt like my time wasn't being wasted
i think i managed to plat it in more or less 30 hours, fun game sure but yeah way too short.
Also, Spider-Man 2 was originally going to feature Black Cat, Lizard and Hobgoblin alongside Doc Ock.
But all except one were scrapped because the writers apparently suck at both love-triangles and war-triangles.
But I would rather have these villains and antiheroes in Spider-Man 2 than to have both MJ and Jameson III ruin the plot.
Another plot-ruiner was killing off Doc Ock, he was supposed to be imprisoned by the end of 2, then busting out in 3 to form the Sinister Six, instead that was thrown away just to shoehorn Venom.
Doc ock is still alive
Didn’t doc ock appear in the very very end? Didn’t they hint for a sequel??
Gamerant: “ The post-credits scenes hint at future plot developments, including the return of Doctor Octopus, as well as the introduction of Cindy Moon as Spider-Person Silk. Potential appearances from Chameleon and Carnage have been setup for the next game as well.”
@@UnofficialZoomer idk what dude is talk about anymore
Bro how are talking so confidently when you straight up got Doc Ock dying wrong
Did you play the game?
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I think Spider-Man 2 was rushed not because the main story but because there was nothing else to do after it. Put games like Arkham Knight and how that too was 15+ hours for the main story. The game has plenty of side missions and crimes that you can do in the city, there isn't much of that in Spider-Man 2 and that's why the game seemed too quick and why I think the game was rushed.
Comparing Spider-Man 2's story pacing to the 2018 game, it's night and day. I would've gladly accepted a version of this game that was 30-50 hours long if it meant we had more time in each arc of the game. For example, Insomniac could have used arc of the story to subtly hint that Peter feels like he's not living up to his role as Spider-Man, so that when we get the symbiote, we feel like a better Spider-Man than even Miles. That's just spitballing, though. I don't know if it would've worked with the workload I'm sure Insomniac has.
Brother, Are you describing me and my whole life😂
You can't imagine how much I loved the Amazing games while everybody else were hating it🤣
They just didn’t hit the same 😞
Felt like I was playing the deleted scenes from the movie
@@UnofficialZoomer Yeah exactly, but to my teenage brain, that was dreaming of spiderman and my last games was on the ps2 years ago, It was cool.
I agree i loved spiderman 2 the game was amazing but the story really rushed towards the end
the reason it was rushed was cause of sony, they were pushing insomniac during act 3 when the symbiotes started taking over and i don’t know why
“not all capes wear heros” WHAT?
Not all of them sadly 😞
Tbh, first act was super slow, 2nd act was pretty slow until he gets the symbiote, which then becomes super rushed, and then 3rd act was super rushed
Spiderman 2 was really rushed and unfortunately they cut a lot of stuff from the game. There was supposed to be a riot boss fight and an agony boss fight as well but they were scrapped due to not having enough time.
U got some insider, not public, unlisted news?🤔
@@UnofficialZoomer Yea venom was also said to have an appearance within act 2. I got some of my info from someone who got access to the leaked pc build files.
i LOVED the 1st TASM game😂
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Spider-Man 2 wasn’t rushed. It was poorly managed.
The game had poor focus as multiple projects were being put into fruition. ALL the development should’ve been on Spider-Man 2. Also time management was poor as for as what given priority to develop.
Insomniac had FIVE YEARS to develop a game where the core gameplay/structure, story Structure, & concept already existed. They didn’t start from scratch like the 1st game.
It’s not Sony’s fault, it’s insomniac. The game should’ve been done by the deadline. Sony didn’t creatively interfere, all they did was set a deadline. 5 years is a LONG time for this kind of game. insomniac should’ve focused on WHAT ACTUALLY MATTERS.
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I wish there was more action set pieces like the first and second game
Let’s hope spider man 3 won’t get rushed. If they make a third game like from the ending where Otto says the final chapter
I put like 150 hours into Baldurs Gate 3 and I thought it was short. Spider-man took about 20 hours and I thought it dragged on far too long. Don't get me wrong, the game is very fun to play and impressive mechanically, but the story and characters are not very good.
I thought the fight in the football field was an Ultimate Spiderman reference
The last Venom phase being a Miles fight made no sense
In my opinion, venom shouldn't have been the main villain. The ultimate version of green goblin would've been better and kraven was very underutilized. They need to find better writers for miles morales he's either not there and getting on my nerves. Peter Parker seems to just get shit on alot recently.
honestly I hope they take there time Spiderman 3 and Wolverine
I honestly felt Peter should of best miles then took the suit off himself. Having miles do it is damaging to Peter’s character as he is meant to overcome the suit
Yeah I've played it 8 times and deleted some of the save games just to have to play the game again so yeah I'm still obsessed with it but I still feel that the game feels rushed and as amazing as it it is, it could have been a whole lot better
Deleting the saves is summin else…. You probably have 30+ hrs
@UnofficialZoomer bro my ps account shows that I've played this game over 180 hours. I'd share a screenshot if I could
That is in--SANE, 180 hrs?! Bro please take it easy, there are other good games out there lol.
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@UnofficialZoomer I know but I can't afford games that much and I've really played all of them anyway so you know and I can't let go of games too but I've been thinking of buying alan wake 2 but I'm afraid of horror games 😅 and that's the only game I haven't played so there
Fair enough, feloos sure is tight rn. Well as soon as you get some feloos, spend it on something worth it lol (nothing HORROR)
It just needed 5-10 hours more, Just Undercooked
0:52 did that thing too😂 I thought I look so good lol
Goofy ahhh
The story is only part that felt rushed mainly with the symbiote would’ve preferred Harry having a stronger motivation to become venom that scene with Peter and Norman came outta nowhere and I would’ve preferred lesss of a symbiote invasion and more of just a personal fight between Pete and venom without the “city always facing a avengers level threat” hope the 3rd game doesn’t do a goblin disease type thing or any plunging the city into a crisis I miss street level simple stories
Literally every mission in this game is either, walk around as peter or miles. Or high speed chase scene into quick time event into massive fight.
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They should have kept Peter with the symbiote in the rest of this game. He progresses though the main-story and everyone thinking it was indeed a good way to help everyone, but then, at the end of the game, Peter shows sign of agression, keeping Kraven the main villain here and he inevitably dying. But then in the third game, at 40% story, Miles and Peter fight due to the Symbiote's Affect and he losses the symbiote. 50%, he gets the Anti-Venom, the rest it would´ve been venom storyline. I dunno, I want to make pter have the symbiote as much as he can possibly have but if Insomiac could only afford 3 games, then this would've worked
I think a 25 hour story would have fixed it. IT's doing A LOT and it needed those extra hours to really nail everything.
Nice video , but you have to remember they are making a DLC. The DLC will probably fulfill the craving for more.
Thank you
I really hope the DLC makes up for what was missing
Fulfill the kraven for more ? 😅
The game is actually 100 dollars in Norway. Yes, standard.
That’s insane, American account is a must
my only problems with the game was the rushed symbiote battle and the final boss not living up to the hype. We saw countless trailers showing peter and miles in their classic suits fighting venom throughout the city. I also feel like we got the anti venom suit too soon, would have been better story wise to have it like in the middle of the boss battle
Act 1 wasn't rushed. A little bit of act 2 was definitely rush. And act 3 was FULL ON RUSH
this game wasnt rushed it was cut in half so they can sell the 3rd game separately for more money.
greatness comes with deadlines... Spider man 1 was also rushed, and every film ever made was rushed.. They just cant take their sweet ass time, as these are high budget films with many people's schedules on the line.. Most ppl cant even get their friend to align schedules imagine 800-2000 ppl.. We can only be greatful they put in these efforts for our entertainment
They surprised us playing as venom
true, just 3 hours more would make this so much better, but i still love this game
i felt like the gameplay was done really well, but the story definitely felt slightly rushed but everything else was really good
It was rushed for sure. Neither Kraven or Venom had enough time in the spotlight to be fleshed out and feel like actual threats. Kraven spent to much time behind the scenes instead of being present as much as his hunters were, and that was a letdown. As for Venom, he had no real motive or reason to be in this game and was only there for fan service imo.
It’s clear you didn’t play the game if you think that.
@@EmmanuelPrudhomme Played and platinumed... What's your point?
@@brianbrisco8823 my point is that Kraven and Venom have a correct amount of spotlight and have a much threatening presence. And if you choose to see it in a negative light then suit yourself.
@@EmmanuelPrudhomme I disagree, but to each his own. Thank you for that insight.
@@brianbrisco8823 you’re welcome
This how act 2 into act 3 should’ve happened instead of just miles finishing Peter off we should’ve been Peter and took down miles and then having miles retreat then we as Peter go searching for kraven “killllll kraven” we actually don’t kill kraven Peter stops the symbiote from doing it and you leave him brutally beat up and swing away as Peter realizes what he has done the symbiote takes over and makes Peter think miles is js getting in the way of him being a “better Spider-Man” then we can get some gameplay/3-4 more missions then a mission of miles tracking down Peter and the symbiote to end it once and for all then your fight Peter as miles but it’s not as easy as it was bc he’s stronger and the symbiote is angrier then you defeat Pete and he takes the suit back to the oscorp and he makes it this time puts it back and Connor’s is trying to figure out the symbiote it attacks Connor’s and brutally hurting him Harry walks in and sees Connor’s injured but doesn’t see the symbiote creeping up on him then he turns to venom “then we get the cutscene we had in the regular game when his dad walked in and Harry turns his dad into riot he jumps away leaving Peter and Connor’s brutally injured venom is also gone so you go on 3-4 more missions finding riot/harrys dad you fight him and help him escape the symbiote you take him to the hospital and then the game continues how the end continues the venom infested city “heal the world” then mj still gets turned into scream but instead of js fighting her infront of Pete’s house you fight her once in front of Pete’s house then you have to chase her through the city until you arrive at the daily bugle where she has JJJ dangling from a single web over the top of the daily bugle “obviously you defeat scream safe mj from the symbiote and save JJJ he still calls you a menace you swing mj to the hospital to get checked out atp Peter is angry so yk he calls miles and is ready to end it all “Peter obviously gets anti -venom then venom sends out hybrid mayhem and mania you and moles defeat them and have one final boss battle with venom obviously you win like the actual game you destroy the rock Harry still “dies” miles brings him back Norman blames you for Harry Cletus still makes off with the carnage symbiote and the games ends the same “carnage in a DLC” sorry I wrote so much js my idea of the game don’t hate on it it’s js an idea of how I thought the game should’ve/couldve ended 😂😂😂😂😂
Hopefully we see dlc soon I mean compared to boss fights in this game compared to last game is a huge difference like we do have a decent amount of enemies and actually really good boss fights in spider man 2 but spider man 1/Remastered it’s no competition the amount of bosses is like an Arkham game.
They should’ve just made the game about venom and then use kraven for a Spider-Man 2.5 kinda like how they did the miles morales game
That makes zero sense because that means we have to play as Harry has he essentially has no buildup at this point