Is a relationship with a narcissist or a psychopath worse?
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I remember reading "not every narcissist is a psychopath but every psychopath is a narcissist." From personal experience of being on the receiving end of both narcissists and psychopaths I'd say psychopaths are worse as they are beyond ruthless and go that step further than the narcissist. Thanks for this video Dr Ramani ☀️
Agreed
What about high functionality psychopaths?
There are discrepancies in Psych about the differences between sociopathy and psychopathy. Depending on the labeling or Shrink - Some believe psychopaths are “born”. Or Some refer to high functioning sociopaths - as a psychopath (psychopath is just a high functioning sociopath). Some believe they are different all together and can have high functioning sociopaths or psychopaths. Many different outlooks on this.
But a high functioning sociopath and/or psychopath... is in a category that trumps any “narcissist” level. Guarenteed.
People cannot fathom it, or its affects.
Janie’s point is spot on.
Dealing with a narcissist (a true narcissist, not just a narcissistic person) is still child’s play, after years/decades with a HF psychopath.
Not even in the same league.
@@BB-fo5mr I agree with you how narcissists are child's play compared to psychopaths. The way I differentiated between the two is how they made me feel. While narcissists made me feel hurt and upset, lied to, disrespected, icky, uncomfortable and invalidated etc they never made me fear for my life in the way a psychopath did. Psychopaths are terrifying and even that word makes me shudder. The threats they make are real and they are the reason I learned self defence as well as installing security cameras. I think I've experienced more psychopaths than narcissists in life. The trauma that both narcissists and psychopaths leave behind for their victims to pick up and sort through is head wrecking and unbelievable. Very few people believe someone could be so sadistic unless they've experienced the horror first hand themselves
Unfortunately, I’ve experienced both. The narcissist was worse for me because it’s more of a mind f. The psychopath is more clear cut. It’s clearly evil.
Overt gets to the point. The covert thing is so annoying.
Narcs can turn in pyschopaths
But pyschopaths don't turn into narcs, they already are Narcs.
I'd rather deal with Trump than Putin, phycopaths are not human. And I have phycopath father and narc mother, I know both too.
The narcissist sees you as a servant, the psychopath as a thing,
that's why they can kill more easily than the narcissist
The narcissist perceives the psychopath as dangerous, something beyond them.
@@AnaSantos-gh4tf I don't think putin is a psychopath. He seems to be pretty neurotic.
Sorry to hear, same here.
Every narcissist I’ve met I felt like they are a psychopath! So I don’t want to ever meet either ever again!
I agree with you.. my ex H was a combination of both. I felt the evil
I have come across both personalities, and when I sense their vibrations I am repulsed. I will try everything I can to avoid these people again. I try to keep conversations to a minimum, and swiftly move on.
Yes, what I feel is that narcissists are psychopathic. I really do not know where to draw a line.
I don't like dealing with narcissists. They care about you/control you, and they cannot tell the difference. And they would try to dominate you through relationships and because you are the soft ones. Therefore, people come to me to be responsible for things that narcissists want. You are suddenly dealing with things that you do not say, do or think. Therefore, I talk to them, and say please ignore narcissists. They don't want to. And suddenly they come to me to gossip about me and things narcs say and do about me, and they insist that I am responsible for their opinions. And usually these are small things. Narcissists would do and say things on your behalf because you are family. And I have to go back and forth because they all have opinions. When I do not have opinions, it is not okay. Now, when you fight, you like it, but I have to avoid conflicts now. Now, it is me! And then I either have to avoid or remove myself all together. That is triangulation. We are family, so they represent you. They have to get all situations very unhappy. For a window to close or to open, it is just that you either open or you close it. But now you are fighting over it. And it is all the time. So, now it is me because I grow up to be the wrong one. When I stay quiet, they don't like it. Now, you got what you want--fighting! How could you even avoid getting into conflicts? Quite unlikely. That is ego. But I don't know what psychopaths are. Narcissists are very difficult, especially when they are sick. You make me worry, but does that make your illness recover?
My ex was definitely both. An absolute nightmare.
The psychopath I dated was far worse than any narc I've been with. He had no fear in the world and literally had the most shallow emotions. Beyond the extreme charm he put on in the beginning he scared the living hell out of me after his mask slipped, there's no empathy behind it whatsoever. I could sense the danger...
Psychopaths I have uncovered are really cold callous and unemotional. They truly wear a human mask, as a survivor Id say trust your gut.
Usually the inconsistencies begin to show pretty quickly.
The absolute goal of a psychopath is power.
I think physcopath getting thrown around in here. A physcopath would involve violence. If not that’s a narcissist!
They don't know emotional empathy and it's not by choice...it's actually an unknown concept to them. The unchecked temper and how mean they can get when they don't get their own way is the real dagger. It's unfortunate but it is what it is.
i agree
@@jayangli nah they'd avoid violence if it's against them or not according to plan but still it doesn't mean that they won't be violent when they have the chance, phsycopaths are much smarter than both sociopaths and narcissists so that's why.
Narcissists are the worst. A higher level psychopath may kill you instantly to get to where they need to be. But a narcissist will unnecessarily put you through endless suffering before they finally destroy you.
Psychopaths don't always kill you instantly to get what they want. Sometimes they torment you, for entertainment.
I think you're valid in thinking that, but I respectfully disagree. I survived a narc relationship, too, but I don't think I could handle a psychopath. I'd have kms by now. Narcs are babies compared to psychopaths in my eyes. I've had a psychopath bestie before, and got dangled off a balcony by him while he laughed.
@@ianandme2 yes I did say they “may”. Sometimes they won’t.
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Not all psychopaths are murderers. They are surgeons, CEOs, politicians, and walk among us.
I think the relationship with a narcissist is worse because the abuse is more subtle and complex, the personality itself is way more complicated to understand in my opinion, which leaves you wondering "is this person really that bad or am I overreacting?". With a psychopath, once you figure it out you figure it out.
Thank god you have not seen one my friend those things are scam and they will do anything
@@hoddy1368 what are you referring to?
Agree
so true!!
I totally agree with your submission on the subtle nature of the abuse and the camouflage personality that makes you doubt your sense of judgement.
The “not caring” aspect of the psychopathic person is what makes them worse. Not that the narcissist is empathic, or caring, but they do care about their image
My dad is a psychopath and my ex wife is a narcissist. I left both relationships for the sake of my own sanity.
Psychopath is Genetik that means youre a psycho too
I applaud you…keep thinking straight. There are many who do understand.
Holy shit it must of been an abomination
The difference between a psychopath and a narcissist is that psychopaths have patience, narcissists don’t.
and you have no clue
I have a psychopathic father and a narcissistic mother, give me 5 narcissists in parallel versus a single psychopath. Those beings are not human, they look like the devil when their mask falls off at 100 % and they smile with their eyes lit up.
If the devil existed, psychopaths are his generals and narcissists are his soldiers. For me the narcissist is the human version of the psychopath, the psychopath has nothing human but the body.
I agree and have seen behind the psychopath mask. Like, it fully dropped.
It wasn't human!
Idk how to describe it but it was predatory/animalistic.
Like a black bear, crocodile, or lion in a human body.
Good point
I have a very narcissistic family (parents and most of the extended family). Decades years ago, my aunt married a pyschopath and his type of abuse is still talked about in shock and disgust by everyone else. He was on a complete other level, even to narcissists.
agreed
they are develish, that's for sure. though, I was not that religious, when I had relationships with a psychopath, I wanted to pray EVERY DAY
The psychopath is what I'm gonna go with. They turn scary into terrifying 😳
They have the same narcissistic ability, and use it.
But they are at a level that is incomprehensible to nearly everyone (who hasn’t experienced it). 10 steps past a narcissist, whether that is believable or not.
"They turn scary into terrifying." Spot on. B B I also agree with you how you said they're "10 steps past a narcissist." Scarily accurate description and it's horrible experiencing their wrath. Any confrontation with them is when all Hell breaks loose and going Grey Rock angers them more so they amp up their threats to try to get a reaction. Restraining orders and police action is usually required for these types but psychopaths feel they're above the law and usually don't pay heed to boundaries. I feel bad for anyone experiencing this now or in the past because it leaves scars that never really fade but just managed day to day. Best wishes to you both ✨
Yep, exactly.
I have known at least two psychopaths. One is in prison. The other should be but ironically is in law enforcement!
A psychopath is truly dangerous. A narc can be too but psychopathic evil is inate!
You think you ought to make it known? Could you try anonymously, ask police not to post your info. Some people become cops for that power and ability to kill. Make sense a psychopath would be happy to sign up. How would you feel knowing everyday people’s lives maybe put through what you experienced or if someone was brutally killed because of it? That’s a serious problem. Good luck
@@chaddsteinberg3758 As Dr Hare pointed out , it is not a crime to be a psychopath.
No I am not going to go to his place of employment and tell them such.
The man is more of threat in his family and personal life than on the job.
He is in law enforcement but his hands are tied where he's at. He is not a city cop.
He is a threat in his off duty hours but that is not against the law.
@@williamdillard8330 I’m not suggesting you arm chair diagnose him as a psychopath to his superiors. Just that maybe someone keep an eye on anyone potentially dangerous. Going by you are the one saying he’s a psychopath and “truly dangerous” and “evil inate!”. Sounds like you went through some stuff. I do wonder what people categorize as “evil” and “psychopathic”? I’ve seen quite a bit myself, mostly selfishness, probably ruthless domination acts, perhaps psychopathic acts. But I’ve heard others stories of kids hurting others. I definitely think there’s something genetic at play considering what I know about the parents/family being either narcissistic or into dark satanic shit.
@@chaddsteinberg3758 Yep I been through stuff!
I was taking a general psychology class when the instructor explained what a psychopath is. Two faces flashed in front of me. One was the rapist I knew as a child. The other was the dude I once worked with whom I strongly suspect of attempted rape as well.
But just because I believe it doesn't mean I know that to be fact so I won't involve myself.
But I did see him on the job where he works. He was terrified that I was going to expose what he was like on the job. It was on his face.
But for me to expose him it would have to be a potential involvement of him being with people whom I am friendly.
Law enforcement is full of cluster b’s. You wouldn’t last in that career if you weren’t of that nature.
It amazes me how often upper management in large companies lack the spine for difficult decisions and promote a psychopath to lead them like lemmings off a cliff.
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Yes. Extremely common apparently.
The psychopath is far worse to the degree that when you've been living with one then moved to a relationship with a covert narcissist, it feels like heaven in comparison.
Same experience! Escaping a psychopath into the arms of a narcissist for years felt blissful, until I got therapy and raised my standards.
Really, HF Psychopath vs narc, no comparison.
Narc can screw your life up in ways, but merely child’s play handling a narc after dealing with a REAL psychopath. Narcs will practically stick out in plain view for you, and are almost easy to dismantle. Relatively speaking...
yup the thing Ramani said about the lifetime movie was so true stg - they can play any situation like a violin too. You never really know tho, until you live with them -but once they realize you are no longer their pawn, then you get worried. They will take away your housing, milk you of your money, possibly even take you to court for something, even sly "it's a shame you aren't going to die." remarks. That's when you know.
So when my ex husband the psychopath hit me and saw my nose bleed and I was crying out in pain he said “you’re bleeding like a pig now” and licked all the blood up. Then told me if I got up and ran he would drown my dogs one by one in front of me. He then sighed and said “ugh I’m gonna have to kill you now”. Just like that, as if it were an inconvenience to him, like by HIM hitting me and me screaming and the potential of HIM going to jail was a massive INCONVENIENCE. There was no panic just utter annoyance at the situation.
@@daisyvearncombe That's terrible, maar are you safe now?
From my experience of dealing with and growing up around both, I would say that a psychopath's harm is obvious and a narcissist's harm is more subtle. A psychopath will play on your fear and a narcissist will play on your sense of self. A narcissist will stab you in the back. A psychopath will stab you in the face.
My ex h did Both
@@jwm4ever A narcissist will stab you in the back. A psychopath will stab you in the face ... sums it up I guess!
You NAILED IT!!! My father is a psychopath and he didn't try to hide any of his cruelty. It was always on full display.
Whereas my mother likes to cut you with little slices into your core. Death by a million cuts and a few large ones (as long as no one else knows about it).
They're both horrific to live with and hard to get away from.
Psychopaths do both, as I have learned from long personal experience. They will even use the face-stab as a cover for the back-stab. This is one of the tactics they use with their financial scheming....they will seem to be coming at you with such psycho ferocity that you don't notice that hand reaching around behind you for your wallet.
Exactly, thats why I prefer a psychopath. I also have a friend who is a narc and a sadist, his style leans towards the psychopath, him I have been able to keep in touch witch for years. And still be fine. The trick is to keep him close but not too close.
I was married to the demonic evilness for 40 years and the last couple of years it got right down scary he was completely mentally unstable threatening to shoot me in the head while I was sleeping I had to Divorce that demon thanks for your help with the videos and Jesus amen 🙏
I’m grateful that he even allowed you to divorce and leave if he was making threats like that. It’s good you got away.
So happy you got away. I know how it feels. I escaped as well after being locked up for a year
Why!? Why would you shoot your own wife in the head...oh boy
I would say the first sign will come from your own gut feeling which will send signal to your body telling you that this person doesn't make you feel comfortable being around him/her. The fact that you are already asking this question should alert you to be careful. Something will feel off and you won't know what it is exactly. Covert narcissists can act very charming in the beginning but there will be often also present underlying sense of superiority about them. That sense is actually deriving from them feeling insecure about themselves, so they tend to quietly degrade others in order to feel better about themselves. On the other hand if covert narcissist feels that you are above his league, he will act like your servant, trying to please you - almost annoying in a way. But make no mistake. If you decide to stay in a relationship with him, he will downgrade you and abuse you like all the others. Because in his mind, if you love him, he thinks you are unworthy of him. Covert narcissists hate themselves so if someone loves them, than they think this person is worth less than them and that they can do better. Other sign to look for is any kind of judgment towards others. If he criticises other frequently, he will more likely criticise you as well once he gets more comfortable around you. Pay attention to how he treats people that are dependent on him as well. Narcissists hate those especially if they can't get anything of of that for themselves. Moreover, Cheating in marriages is not restricted to only men. Women cheat as much as men do. If you're suspecting your wife of infidelity, you'll have to keep an eye on her of her without her knowledge of her. One of the best ways to know if your spouse cheats on social platforms is by paying close attention to how your spouse behaves while online. The signs are pretty the same. Is your spouse more time on the app without explanation and gets unnecessarily defensive when you ask about it? If your spouse behavior has changed lately, and continues to spend more time on social apps, it's time for you to take action, with the help of a private investigator (suggested; METASPYHUB@GMAIL. COM , you can find out what is taking all their time on social apps, who they are talking to and other things happening,,
Cecelia my advice if you meet a narc. If you can, just leave. If you meet a sociopath or physcopath. This would of course involve physical abuse. Run as fast as you can and never go back there ever!
The relationships with psychopaths feel like living life in a different dimmensions - hellish places - this is so true. You feel like living in a horror movie. Your description of those relationships is spot on! Thank you dr Ramani.
Yes, exactly right 💗 All the best 💗 T
She was somewhat especially in the beginning talking about pathological lier which is more of a Sociopath but you’re right it can be like living in a horror movie with Psychopath 😛
I've had my hair cut off in my sleep, my drinks drugged for months until I confronted them and got no reaction or response. I was told he loves the feeling of getting revenge on any one that pees him off. Was upto to him if I got to spend money or not. (when I needed something I couldn't spend).
This world is getting over run by crazy people who could have done with a few hugs and a little guidance when they were younger. Love your children!
I'm so very sorry
That’s criminal, you need to run for the hills ... please stay safe 🙏
@@tictactoedias1908 change your name and run. It's what I would do. I know it's easier said than done. I left my narcissistic family. I just vanished a d have not been more healthy or happy. You can do it!!! Be smart and think 10 steps ahead
So sorry to read about what you experienced, I sincerely hope you left & that you are in a safe place ,I pray you will find peace and happiness somewhere
Assuming/hoping you’re doing well on your own now. That said, great point about politics, and raising children. No surprise this channel is so popular…
They're both awful. I would say a psychopath is more dangerous overall
My ex seems to have been a combination of both flavors. Cruel, vindictive, savage, without a conscience, and Teflon - nothing ever stuck to him. Our therapist told me he was a sociopath, I think because he had add no remorse whatever for a atrocities that destroyed lives. The divorce was brutal, and I left empty handed, bc the attorneys couldn't endure his tactics and let me take the loss. Freedom in poverty is better than anything with him. Thanks for clarifying, Dr. Ramani.
Me too. Even with our actions and peaceful nature there are still those who love to hear us trash talked, half safe people are unsafe people.
Pretty easy to blame others, when you are responsible specially for sticking with him so many years, abs and all of the sudden realizing he has antisocial personality?? No way give me a break😏
@@jivenfields Wow!! Apparently you've haven't studied Narcissism enough or have listened to nearly enough material on this subject to know, understand, and believe, that the Trauma Bonding is what keeps people in these abusive , horrible, destructive relationships. And it's not their fault. Or, you've never experienced a Narcissistic or Psychopathic relationship. Read up, Listen up, get educated, with some compassion and empathy, or don't comment.
@@helenfalco7601 yes. Many of us don’t even realize exactly what’s happened to us until the intense stress of their presence is in the past. Just surviving is enough to manage Then comes education, realization and the long hard path to healing.
Good for you! You’re much richer now than you were when you were with him. It’s how you measure wealth.
The psychopathic person in my life was waaaay worse until we got professionals involved. Actually, she fooled the professionals for a few weeks, police, cps, therapist, and addiction councillor. Then they saw how terrified her kids were of her and caught her in a lie. After that they helped us through the process.
With my narcissistic mom therapists kept saying, she's your mom you should forgive her. Or now that you're healing let's get you back with your parents. It's like there was no option but to have them, unhealed, in my life. So many therapists aren't trained to help set realistic boundaries and expectations.
That is true. I found a good sponsor in my 12 step program and he never asked me to keep in touch with my mum. (She has Aspergers though.) I would say that the more I heal the more impossible it gets to have a relationship, its like we live in different dimensions.
Are you sure she was a Psychopath? Did you ever scan her brain? 🧐 By the sound of your story SHE WAS JUST A PRETTY SOCIOPATH which is learned behaviour.
Parents or no parents get them out Narcissist can’t heal I don’t care what anyone says I’ve done enough research to logically know this ❤
Or she might be cover narc.
a psychopath has all the narcissistic *qualities* and then some. I was lucky to survive. Next level callous.
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After experiencing both I'd say Psychopathic relationship is more physically dangerous with longterm issues because they are so calculated. Narcissistic one emotionally hurt me more in short term though
Cobras or Pitbull attacks, then repeat
I agree from experience
My parent had antisocial personality disorder. They died when I was a teenager, and it sounds horrible, but it’s one of the best things that ever happened to me... I have PTSD from all the abuse, the death threats, the pure sadism. I survived through dissociation and luck. I will never understand how a person can commit such cruelty without any remorse, and I’m glad I never will. I will always strive for compassion and justice. There’s already so much suffering in the world. No need to add another layer with evil.
My children’s father is definitely both. If I would have to choose one or the other, I would prefer the narcissist over the psychopath. Psychopaths are scary!! The ripple effect of what the ex has done to his two ex-wives, his children, his employees, former friends, etc. is so far reaching.
yeah they breed and flee
@no chains no more often reproductive abuse is involved
Totally syncs with my experience. I can handle the garden variety narcissist. The psychopath is on a whole other level; they will teach you the meaning of malevolence.
Spot on
I’m gonna say the narcissist. They have the ability to keep you questioning and in a confused state. Narcissists are worse because they actually have feelings and it makes us stuck.
You are right about narcs.
But a HF psychopaths do the same - and they are far worse, far better at it, far more seamless, go to a much further level, and are 10 steps ahead of a narc. As hard as that is to believe.
Its unimaginable- literally. Psychopath is a term that gets thrown around carelessly for people who aren’t psychopaths. Often a term used to label someone and make them “look bad”.
A real one though? So far past what people can imagine, fathom. Narcissist to 100th exponential power.
Its impossible to explain it, truly
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Once you be deceived by a psychopath, you will know it. They are pure evil, it is so traumatizing, even more of narcissistic relationship that care about their own image but psychopath don't care about their image as much, so they are most dangerous ones. All they care is how to take advantage of others in worse possible ways.
Ding, ding, ding!
A narcissist is USUALLY just an annoying fly/an embarrassing loud elephant.
They are the "Oops, I just ran over that squirrel because I didn't see it. Oh well." type of people. What they do to others, how they hurt others, doesn't even register in their minds because they care only about themselves and see their world view.
A psychopath, meanwhile, is calculating and will do ANYTHING to win. Anything.
They CAN and DO wipe the floor with narcissists and then leave them there.
It's brutal.
I have seen a psychopath obliterate a narcissist emotionally, socially, and financially, leaving them in ruins.
A psychopath will win against a narc.
They are much much much smarter than them.
She is so right when she talked about the villain costume. A narcissist is a wannabe psychopath, they are childlike. The psychopath is the real deal. I don't want to run in to my narcissist ex because he's a nuisance and a parasite. I don't want to run into my psychopath ex because he gives me the chills.
I've been through both. My brother was the psychopath. I think I'm the only one in my family that saw it or at least I'm the only one that was willing to call it out. I've had quite a past. Then I married a high level narcissist. I'd pick my husband over my brother any day. I wonder who really believes me and I don't think I am seen as a liar to those who really know me, but while I consider myself a strong person, I'm not strong enough to not want someone to talk to about it all. So my rambling is tolerated but I'm never convinced that I'm believed. lol. My brother was the really scary one. He was the sneaky one. He enjoyed messing with people and he didn't care if they were young or old. So much of what you say describes my brother. I've always said that my family of origin was the normally dysfunctional family and my oldest brother made it abnormally dysfunctional. I'm glad I've lived this long because it's taken this long to sort it out and find some level of peace. I also have a sense of humor. My brother was 13 years older than me, so it was kind of like another dad in my life. Our lives seemed to revolve around him. My mom and dad saw that he was not turning out that great so they enabled him by being tolerant of him and wanted to help him. Brother loved it all. He loved the power it all gave him. He was at our house every weekend and the he was married to a pretty narcissist wife. The two of them fought often. Brother killed her cat with a butcher knife. Brother collected obits of people he felt had 'jacked' with him as he like to put it. He had weird ideas about God and brother thought that god had chosen him as one of his minions to exact punishment on the earth. He didn't think salvation was provided for women. Brother thought that he had power over the devil. OH that's enough to tell you. lol. Yeah, I'll take the normal narcissist any day over Brother. By the way I'm loving the healing program and I've listened to your first podcast. You are doing a great service to humanity. I've thanked you before but here it is again. THANK YOU!!
My gosh, reading the comments about your brother seriously gave me anxiety. Almost seems better for everyone if the psychopath were actually dead.
Why didn't the police get involved with him killing a cat?
Animal abusers deserve punishment.
How absolutely awful! He sounds like he has some messed up delusions. Wonder if that makes him something other than Psychopathic?
@@AJ-wt4ux Yes, I've wondered that too. I used to say he might be possessed but not sure I believe in that sort of thing. His eyes grew really dark one day when he bellowed "I don't LOVE GOD!!" Yeah he was a character. He died four years ago.
@@MonstehDinosawr I agree with you. His behavior was just ignored or minimized. As a young child I had no say about any of it.
"Would you rather fight 1 horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses?"
I'm SO GLAD this information is getting out there but wish it was taught in schools along with healthy boundaries but the problem is, especially today a LOT of teachers actually are Narscissist! Narscissist choose careers where they have control:. Education, Medical, Legal & Clergy.
Absolutely YES ,this should be taught in schools to every child/teenagers
I think that I have survived a life with psychopath with malignant narcissistic overlap
A quote he used to share was to
"Keep her pregnant and barefooted "
Or when babies were born, his favourite line to would be Dad's
"Play dead when children cry , at night"
This video brings up such terror for me, when I reflect on what I lived through, nights when he arrived home drunk and I would be dragged out of bed by my hair, I would try not to scream so my first born wouldn't wake, during awful physical abuse
Stalked by him for most of my life since I was a teenager
Triangulated by his family during the years
Triangulated by all of my family of origin & my parent to this day
Have had countless therapy sessions which were mostly useless as both those types of personality disorders were never mentioned, how, why I continued to fall for the love bombing, possibly my own childhood trauma
DrRamini's videos have been a life saver for me as it was only in my late 50s that I had started to read up on mental disorders, I then knew a little & now I am so much more aware of a
most of those descriptive terms, I regrettably see traits in my own adult children, whom I have so loved & nurtured to the best of my ability through the years
I am happy to know that I will see my trauma focused therapist again ASAP, my life is now peaceful
In regards to the legalities, I know I was not believed or worthy of assistance, until much later in life
It was a very patriarchal system back then
I can almost hear Dr.Ramini saying
"It's over, your done"
& I am !
Bless you DrRamini
Thank you
@@maevebutler4641 Dear Precious Soul, I am sorry It was that horrible for you. I'm messed up, have deep emotional scars and lost everything to many times to count! Why did we repeatedly fall for the love bombing? Empathetic people are tender hearted. It kills us to live without love. We've been conditioned since childhood that are needs and wants don't matter....we don't matter.....no boundaries......not allowed to have boundaries. And we're so eager to love and be loved! It would be nice to experience someone to genuinely care about our well-being.
Glad you have a trauma therapist who helps you! Sending you a hug from Clearwater FL. I pray God gives you comfort and inner peace
@@ceilconstante640 Wishing same for you, thank you & May you have peace & joy in your life
@@phoenixrising5338 me too. Because the pain and incredible losses , I've invested the last 7 years listening to Dr. Ramani Lisa A Romano Ross Rosenberg and Dr. Les Carter.. Dr. Ramani is my favorite. Also there's a few excellent assertiveness training videos on RUclips. I'm more reserved, polite but not friendly. I don't get involved with strangers. I don't volunteer any info that could make me a future target. If anyone seems interesting, we can meet at a park or for a coffee. I've learned how to pay attention to the red flags. And don't intend to invite anyone to my home unless I got to know them as a friend over several months! No more feeling sorry for sob stories.....no good deed goes unpunished! Always a problem or loss. It really sucks that people take advantage of kindness. Wishing you better times ahead.
I was in a relationship with a psychopath. It was different because there were NO red flags EVER for many, many years. He knew how he could manipulate me 24|7 all the time. When the bomb exploded it was really, really bad. He had a second girlfriend, he faked having cancer, he faked a complete different life, he had even a good relationship with my family AND the family of his second girlfriend. He lived in our apartment with his second girlfriend when I was on businesstrips and told her he was houssitting for his cousin ( he didn’t have a cousin he showed her the picture of my brother) I was the crazy x girlfriend because I called many times, so he told others. In reality we were living together for 6 years and where fighting about having kids (I didn’t want any, he wanted two with me while he was cheating on me). It still feels like a bad story somebody told me and not my life. He wasn’t charming, he wasn’t good looking, he wasn’t rich. He was the most average guy you would EVER meet.
I was In same situation with my husband, not knowing that he has another family else where I wouldn't have know. But 👆👆 thanks to name pointed with the finger he help me find out that he is truly cheating on me. Now I have proof to file a divorce. And also he got some information that was in legal, when I sent those information to my husband he was confuse how I got them. Now his on his knees begging for forgiveness now i can control my husband. You should try him out
Before watching, i'd say psychopath. My partner seemed like a covert narcissist, but there are times i wondered if he was a psychopath - his eyes, the ability to lie so well, damaging my stuff (nails in tyres etc) and possibly stealing.
This man I was with for 6 months has absolutely NO empathy. It was scary. People were starting to tell me I should quit my job n move away to get away from him(I worked with him). He would kiss on me and be happy and smile with me all day for him to randomly lose his smile and tell me I have a new girlfriend and don't want to be with you anymore. His true face showed. No love no kindness in his eyes. I cried alot and drove away I saw him smurking n laughing at my pain. Then he called me later and said it was a joke.
He was obsessed with sex. I always felt... assaulted while doing It with him. He would get angry and throw glass or punch the wall next to me. He threw my phone. He drove agressively across an icy parking lot while my door was wide opened and almost ran over our boss. I almost fell out the car. He would poke holes in the condoms. He threatened to kill me. He would force me to video chat with me everywhere I would go to make sure I wasn't cheating on him. He would cuss at me and call me every name in the book for assuming I was cheating. He would stalk me. He burned my friend with a fryer threatening her about me. When I finally got out I found out he had a whole other life...he had an entire girlfriend for a year before me and him were together(which I was suspicious about). He been with her now for 4 years and now has a kid with her.
He HAS NO EMPATHY. not a peice of it.
People told me to move away for months too. He was my roommate/landlord/fwb/friend. And the smiling switching to awfulness just exactly as u described, is eerie because it seems like a carbon copy of the same exact behavior I saw in the person I was involved with. I didn't necessarily have the violence aspect, which i am sorry you had to go through. Like that is seriously messed up & I can't imagine how traumatic that must have been. The amount of legal situations I had to put up with and homicidal comments- like these people need to live on their own island somewhere
Jesus poke wholes in condoms and all that other shit he was nuts
Who in the heck cares about their diagnosis? They are both utterly destructive and you need to run far, far away, and live a life on your own terms. Period.
I do! It helps some people to know what kind of personality they have dealt with. It can help to access level of danger as well.
Factss like just break up a bad partner is a bad partner at the end of the day!
For me, I find a narcissist is easier to deal with. They make you FEEL bad in the moment but that's usually it. (Emotional manipulation)
A psychopath however goes a step further, they slowly hijack your personality and sometimes your reality (examples: moving your pill bottles around, poisoning your cat, "borrowing" you car without asking, etc etc)
While a narcissist could also do those things, a psychopath is more likely to.
A psychopaths loves "seeing the fear in your eyes" and "watching you suffer".
Idk to me a narcissist is just easier to shoo away. While a psychopath will let you go ONLY if they let you.
To anyone that might be reading this, I wish that whatever is hurting you or whatever you are constantly stressing about gets better. May the dark thoughts, the overthinking, the doubt exit your mind right now. May clarity replace confusion. May peace and calmness fill your life... even tho current times are challenging and some of you might go through tough times now I sincerely wish everyone that happiness enters your hearts and let all the stress and sadness vanish out of your life...as you know nothing in life is ever easy, but what's important is that you keep going!
you're worthy of love and happiness, never allow anyone to tell you otherwise! It can be extra hard sometimes but stay strong and hang in there, your life matters, no one can replace you, I'm thankful you're born and I'm sure your struggles will pass soon! Hang in there my friend 🙏 I wish all of you plenty of health and strength during any current tough times you face. Remember you are strong, you got this! never forget that!
sending much love over towards all of you, May god or whatever you might believe in bless you the way you need it to!
♥️🌟
Thank You so much for your kind words, and I Need to remember every word, and may God Almighty Bless You too! ✝️🙏❤
Thank you my friend/fellow survivor 🤗❤️ I needed this right now... God bless you 💖☺️
Well, you said it all. I knew in my heart and my stomach that I had to get rid of a friend I have known this person for years. I'm 51 now. I let go. I'm much more happier now.
It's like you've said before...it's a spectrum. There are some days I feel like I see the psychopath who laughs at or justified incredibly inappropriate or harmful things and then the sociopath who holds a grudge against the cat that avoids him but he'll still feed. I think the cat is on to him.
Protect your cat! Get him/her out of there! And follow!
Men, do not hesitate for one moment to place a court-issued restraining order against your female partner if you feel your safety and health is in jeopardy. Placing a permanent restraining order on my female partner was absolutely the wisest protective move of my adult lifetime. My only regret is not doing it years earlier. Men, be safe!
Women have to hesitate because men run the system and habitually doubt women who need protection orders. The men women need the orders against know the system doesn’t value women and they will violate the restraining order flagrantly just to remind a woman that she isn’t valued equally by society. I feel for men who are cowering behind their own system to stick it to women- the misogyny is so excessive and misdirected. I can’t help wander at the sadism behind how and why men got so misinformed. Imo protecting women, children, each other is an instinct- any time there’s wholesale disregard for the wellbeing of women, it’s when a weak man is desperate for power he can get at the lower bar of taking some from women instead of his physical equals. It takes him harming as many women as he can reach to compensate for the one man he can’t beat.
I have experience with both, they both suck. My mom's "uncle" had a hold on her since childhood and she brought him into my family's life because of that control. I was 6 when he died. I saw my murder in his eyes on holidays ( Merry Xmas) and a few sundays a month. He knew he was dying and put fear/control into my head for long after he was dead. He also believed in very dark stuff. He helped raise my mom who grew up into a malignant narc.
Years later, I asked point blank why did she drag us over there?? Wishy washy answer about being family. He had a hold on her is what happened. She justified it by saying, " I would never let them babysit you". Why? I just wouldn't. She knew first hand what he was capable of. He also escalated with time, cancer diagnosis, and her doing NOTHING.
I went low contact. Death was the only means of no contact.
I never had children because I knew I needed time in therapy not raising little ones. I knew that was my legacy to pass on, I took a pass.
Narcissist equals self importance, Psychopaths equals No Conscience at all.
The Psychopath is more dangerous, but when you get out, you will get more support from others, I'm guessing. Narcs may have good days and bad, but trying to explain that and get support is difficult, if the person hasn't experienced it themselves. So the relationship is worse with a Psychopath, but the support is worse with a narcissist.
Yes. People often rationalize narcissistic behavior or simply think you are exaggerating when you try to explain what you’ve been through.
Like a "lifetime movie" and "other worldly" are exactly how I felt. I felt like I was in an episode of a true crime and afraid for my life. Once I understood what was going on it was profound and I've never been the same. The villain costume really was the real clothing. Thank you so much for making this video.
I thought the relationship with the narcissist was way worse. You see the character of the psychopath eventually, but there are moments of humanity and warmth that the narcissist is able to show, so you end up being more open to them emotionally, which results in a lot of emotional abuse.
Try being a person that goes through periods of feeling emotions intensely ...and then some days of numbness and then feeling things intensely again... malignant narcissists eat people like me alive and drive me absolutely fucking insane!! If my head could spin and I could crawl up a wall sideways or backwards...I would have fucking done it by now! 😒🙄
A psychopath could kill you or make you shit your pants.... A malignant narcissist tortures you!! Especially if you are somebody living with a fucked up sensitive condition like I do. It was HELL. I would have rather been physically hit. It was that painful.
I recently learned some horrible stuff about the man that called himself my grandfather. My mom's dad is also horrible. I'm convinced my entire family is full of narcissists and psychopaths. And it is terrifying.
Mine too
Same. I cut them all off, they’re not worth it or worth staying in the circus for.
@@simsim876 same. I only talk to my mom and sister. And honestly my mom is skating on thin ice
I found psychopath worse because there is no care but they totally play you. Narcissists are rubbish at lying but also put emotional intensity in. So even though both are extremely awful the psychopath is totally anti social and has no regard for you at all. Chilling is the only way to explain , and the key difference is I never felt sorry or sad for the psychopath but did for the narcissist as they were a sad attempt at a human. The psychopath got me so bad as their charm and confidence was off the scale. And was also extremely attractive.
I agree with everything you say about both types
I have been into narcissistic/psychopath. I believe that person was both the level of domestic violence was very high and the fact after he bit me to death he checked his muscles and himself in the mirror while I was in pain on the floor. The damage and amount of trauma that affected and hunted me is unbearable.
Wow. What you've experienced is horrible!
He really was a psychopat.
I wish and hope you are safe🙏🏻 and that you can heal as much as possible...
It was difficult, as a complete layperson, to see where my mother was. She was a warmer person, in her younger years. During the last 10-15 years of her life, it felt as if she might’ve been going from stress to depression to NPD to possible psychopathy. But, it was difficult to discern whether she was transitioning from NPD to psychopathy in her later years, because of the known, likely-increasing loss of empathy that some narcissists get, as they age anyway. What felt psychopathic was that, to my knowledge, she hadn’t ever been predatory. I’d never felt the need for police involvement and they started to feel that, even without me playing a role. The local psych unit, when the police brought her there, called me a couple of times, to ask questions, like whether she was suicidal. No one could determine what was wrong with her and the psych unit simply released her, without testing her as, she wouldn’t allow it. Whether it was me watching these videos, the police, the psych unit or my sister, who stayed with her for the past 4 years, no one has mentioned dementia and I could only detect small, intermittent issues with memory loss. But, other than having neuropathy, probably from being in denial of being diabetic, she seemed a fully-functioning person, although I can only determine that from hearing her speak over the phone as, I actually didn’t feel it was safe for me to visit her, without a police officer, as I felt I was her main target.
Obviously and particularly for laypeople, it can become so murky, when you’re literally wading in this, up close. You’re trying to figure out what’s wrong, hoping to get the person to accept professional help, trying to protect yourself and just trying to go through the basic functionality of everyday life.
I don't watch as much as I used to because I've done a ton of work to get past the horror movie I was in, but in listening to this I always saw my ex as a high end malignant narcessist and I tend to still think that but I'm possibly more confused now. He was an enormous love bomber with the emotional level of age 2-4. At the same time when he went down hill he could be love bombing and killing my animals all the while crying while they were buried pouring more attention on himself than allowing me to grieve my own. In the end I don't know that it matters and this was a bit triggering, but I can say the best of both is no contact, personal growth, knowing new people very well before deciding of they are right and healthy, and understanding your weaknesses to never end up there again.
I should've noted I had no idea what was going on and thought my pets had some strange sickness (poison) or odd accident and realized the truth later.
Wow!
I really believe people can be both. My ex was borh
Just reading your story makes me ill... I hope you got out...
Meredith...I am happy to say I did! It's been well over a year and life is great after a lot of hard work and studying behavior hours on end. It has all been very worth it and I have some pretty amazing compassionate people in my life again that I feel very safe with 😊
@@succulentlife3343 Oh my God I'm so sorry you went through that. I almost threw up reading the comment.
I seem to have both in my family. I was heartbroken by the narcissist because of my deep attachment, and because they can be vulnerable too. The psychopath (mixed with an insatiable jealousy) however is the one I am terrified of, posing as a softspoken sympath but is a cold calculated snake that weighs everyone by the risk of exposure if they attack and devour.
You mean empath?
This is 100 percent spot on for my psychopath ex. She used aliases from the day I met her (fake real dad and fake step dad), was a parasite, very assertive and confident, then unpredictability raging and physically violent. I ended up having kids with her. It was a horrific experience living with her (usual breadcrumbs excepted) - I got many injuries from her, but stayed for the kids' sake for 18 years till I reached breaking point. It really was like living in a Lifetime movie. The stalking and phone hacking continues to this day, despite 3 years no contact. Surviving the last couple of months till I got out was the scariest part. I have no doubt she will kill to keep her false persona. I only found her true identity the year before I left her, as she declared her made up name on my kids' birth certificates. They don't get much more extreme than this one. Pathological liar who totally owns her false backstory as if it was real.
That's what a psychopath is/does.
A psychopath/sociopath has no personality, they can pretend to be whoever they want.
With each person they meet, they are someone different.
It's like if I met you in person and told you I was a nurse (I'm not btw).
Then I met your best friend on told him I was a waitress. And then if I met your old boss I told them I'm a receptionist.
A psychopath can be whoever they want.
The "person" you loved, never existed. It was never real.
@@specialtwice4975 You're describing someone who'd excel as a stage/ film actor/ actress. Politicians are, of course, a given. I'm curious what percentage of those in the acting industry are psychopaths. It does seem like the perfect fit (not quite as perfect as a politician, but there is a lot of money/ power to be gained from high status in that industry as well).
@@JamesBrown-wy7xs acting is full of narcissists and pychos
Oh, when they show you they're criminal ways, RUN
Commenting at 1:15 minutes in: I was raised by a narcissist parent and have been in relationships with a psychopath & narcissist. Without doubt for me, the most traumatic relationship was with the psychopath. He would hurt me for fun. He would ridicule me for sport. He would laugh at me. Criticize me. Ignore me. Push me away. Pull me back in. Love me. Resent me. Cheat on me. Leave me alone at home for days on end. This relationship has wounded my SOUL. Narcissists are selfish. Self serving. Jealous. Insecure. Competitive. Lacking in insight. And sometimes the 3 narcissists I've known (one being my parent) would hurt me on purpose. But that was rare. Mostly I was hurt as collateral damage. The psychopath was different. He enjoyed hurting me. All of these relationships are hard, but psychopaths are (in my opinion) on a whole other level of toxic. They hurt you and play you because they WANT to. The narcissist generally hurts you as a by product of trying to help themselves. I've now been single for years and will probably never be in another relationship.
Id say both are awful but narcissists are harder to escape from, psychopaths didnt chase me down to destroy my life or stalk for nothing better than to traumatise. psychopath was violent nasty and abandoning but narc was all the described and then mental manipulation, not just exploitation, mental psychological harm. The narcissistic one made me lose my entire sense of self, not so with the basic psychopath.
Narcissists can be become pyschopaths.
But pyschopaths don't become narcissists. They already are.
Then maybe he wasn't a psychopath because trust me psychopaths do all of the above and more, they're hell bent to destroy you and you feel like there's no way out and your own life and the lives of your loved ones will be in danger
I can't escape my dad. I did no contact last year he took me to court for visitation with my kids. he won. the only time I'll be truly free is when he is dead. if I ever get a chance to move out of state I'll will never let him know where I am same with my mom, but I know it will not stop him for finding me and taking me to court again.
The description sounds closer to psychopath. They do all that of a narcissist, but far worse and will remain doing it your entire life, if possible. They are more calculated, more seamless.
@@unfilterme7200 I'm so very sorry. I can't imagine the agony
I think a psychopath would unleash their wrath more in their careers / general lives, whereas a narcissist’s wrath is concentrated in the smaller emotional dynamics in close relationships
I’ve dated mostly narcissistic men but one of my first relationships was with a psychopath. I was 14. Im diagnosed with cptsd to say the least lmao
How old was he?
Been through both. Narcissists will leave you alone after you figure them out. Psychopaths will do the work it takes to destroy you.
I would say you're definitely right on both of them being challenging. I imagine the main difference would be intensity and intentionality. I like to think that psychopathy is more premeditated than even malignant narcissism. most narcissists don't even know the harm that they do. I think with Psychopaths it is the intention to harm cognitively.
Malignant narcissm is basically having both with a mix of real sadism no dude
@@pleasedontgo1854 ?
@@stoneyvowell1239 i was explaining how malignant narcissist i think is the worst of all followed by psychopathy
Being with a psychopath is very scary. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody. I lived with a narcissistic husband and although he wasn’t physically abusive, he was emotionally/verbally abusive that caused me health issues, stress, depression. I am healing and listening to Dr Ramani to help me through this healing process but at least I know he isn’t going to kill me.
I believe a malignant narc ticks off a lot of Hare PCL 22. I had a friendship with a psychopath who scored 39 on PCL 22. I ran like hell! They do a lot of the same things that a malignant narc does but they are definitely on a much more dangerous level. But you know what her therapist told her? That she had CPTSD, because she always played the victim. I also fell for it in the beginning. I was traumatized. Scares the eff out of me now when I meet new people! One red flag and I shut them down. Psychopaths are superlative actors but they always come into your life with a story of victimhood!
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This describes what I went through better than narcissism
I know a lot of narcissist but haven’t ran across a psychopath .....Thank God!!!
I am happy for you, and truly thank God that you have not met one psychopath. They are pure evil, I was so unfortunate to have relationships with two different psychopaths in my 20s and 30s, one was narcissistic psychopath and the other one was non-narcissitic psychopath. I also had few relationships with different different types of narcissists, but the psychopaths were the ones that ruined me completely.
I am so grateful I am away from my ex husband! Thank you for this video!
I'm not sure how to categorise the person I was with but after learning about narcissism and psychopath, I would hazard a guess he was a psychopath. I don't know much about his back story. He would not talk about anything. The only things i knew were snippets of what I heard from others/from him but not detailed. But he did scare me. There was no emotional response to anything. He once hit me in the face and said it couldn't have hurt me because it didn't hurt him and it was my fault anyway because I'd moved into his arm. He was lying, cheating and even turned up in a car with a private registration spelling another woman's name. He also said things like "I don't do feelings" and he admitted that he had "stalked" me in the years we had been apart (this was a hoover). He was parasitic. In both instances he lived with me without giving me money,or only giving money sporadically but would then buy himself expensive toys. Completely self indulgent, manipulative and egocentric. Also has fantasies about being famous,having a big house and making his ex wife jealous (because I'm better looking....)
When we split up last time, I found my cat dead. This time, my cat came in choking on grass. There were many gaslightibg games and it felt like madness. It was, because whatever he his, madness is his character. Its incomprehensible to think such cruel, calculating and sadistic people exist, but they do and it does feel like I was living in a horror movie.... I am now working on myself, but I don't know if I'll ever be myself again or if I'll ever feel as though I have truly escaped. I hope one day I do.
Sounds like a psychopath.
That's horrible, I'm so sorry :'( I wish you a lot of strenght and self compassion.
Sending you hugs a prayers for total Healing. ❤
@@jwm4ever thank you 🙏
@@evagabrysova8871 thank you 🙏
Robert Hare Phd. wrote a great book on psychopathy called Without Conscience.
It led me to recognize a guy a grew up with who lived up the street. Had several fights with him. A total bully.
He is in prison for rape. Almost killed that girl. I guess he will get out eventually.
If I had to choose, I would have chosen Neither. I am definitely with a Narcissist, according to the definition and different characteristics of both of these Jerks of people. Yes, if you have children, love them care for them the best you can. Is what I have done since I realized, I was married to someone so insensitive and in-secured with such a high grandiosity attitude. I know deep down in my heart, that everything happens for a reason. And what doesn’t break you, make you. For sure! I am a living proof that, we all go through things is for one way or another to have a lesson learned. (If you are teachable). What I have been through with the narcissistic husband I am still married to, I know that when I share my testimony and stories of how I have survived them and how God has blessed me and my children, all I can say it’s been quite an experience, a stressful journey, but God has still showed me he Loves me and that He is always by my side and my children.♥️ -If you have a plan already to leave, or building up your plan to leave, GREAT! Keep on Thriving, Don’t Give up, Don’t look Back, God has a plan for you and your loved ones (children, family, whoever is involved with you in this horrible situation).- ☔️Showers of Blessings may continue upon everyone in this community, including Dr. Ramani of course!☔️ -SOMETIMES it’s very hard to move on, but once you move on, YOU’LL realize it’s was the BEST decision you’ve ever made.- Peace 🙏🏼and Love ♥️To everyone.
My family members were a psychopath, an overt narc and a covert narc, guess who was my favorite family member growing up... It was the overt narcissist, l LOVED him😂😂😂
Thank you Dr for the link to the podcast 'navigating narcissism ' its an eye opener. God bless you for dedicating your life to educating and setting people free from bondage 🙏
I'm soo grateful for your awesome channel, my mom & I watch you every day, & your transparent sincerity is EXACTLY what this hurting world needs when it comes to this horrendous epidemic‼️ Thank you sooo much for sharing your wealth of knowledge & may God continue to bless you & always season your words🙏🙏🙏
I was involved with a narcissist, which was horrible, but the malignant narcissist was 100 times worse. The narcissist will hurt you, but they don't actually enjoy hurting people. The malignant narcissist ENJOYS causing people pain, and you can tell they are enjoying it when they hurt you.
Thanks Dr. Ramani. Love your videos, I'm always learning something new and useful from your videos.
Congrats on your podcast! Looking forward to listening to it. 😘❤️
Its amazing that you are able to put into words what many of us are experiencing. For the longest time, I didn't have the language to explain what was taking place in my life with the narcissist. It felt like I was living in some alternate reality, of the narcissists making, and nothing made sense.
Your videos have helped me so much.
here's one to avoid: a malignant narcissist who uses hypnotism. yes, I've been there. This was a life lesson.
Hypnotism??! That is another level of malevolence!
I grew up with a psychopathic parent (the other was low functioning sociopathic). I can relate to everything said . Growing up with a psychopathic parent made it harder for me to recognize bad behaviour in the outside world - like workplace narcissism - because it was so much less extreme in the outside world. It probably sounds nutty but workplace narcissists are not cold as ice and they won't torture you - it took me a long time to re-learn what is normal. Psychopathy for a young child I think has a major negative impact, but I think it may depend on what other supports you had around you. Thanks for making this video
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There's so much overlap between the two that it's sometimes hard to tell, but from personal experience the psychopath was worse. For me at least. Mostly because of the kind of games she played and the joy with which she played them. She was a groomer, not a sexual groomer, but a groomer in that she was trying to recreate herself in other people. It was like she was running a psychological programing game on people trying to see if she could push them into becoming like her. She once told me: "My mission in life is to be a hurricane and destroy as many people as possible. If they can pick themselves up afterwards they should thank me because I showed them how strong they are. If they can't the world should thank me because I showed how weak and useless they really are." It was sick. We met as kids and were as close to friends as you can get with a psychopath for years. I always knew what she was, at first I tried to understand her, then I tried to change her, and eventually the relationship was just about me trying to keep her from devolving completely. It wasn't healthy for either of us so when she opened the door I finally walked. Now I'm six years post psychopath and I still wonder, occasionally, when the bodies are going to start dropping.
Now THAT is scary as hell!
Sometimes i still can't believe how evil can be some people.
I live in rural area in Slovenia sorounded by forest and i never come in contact with those types of people. Reading your story and the stories of other people i came to conclusion that psychopaths are more scary and dangerous then a bear i sometimes encounter...
Thank you for the insightful explanation and the wonderful video, Ramani.I couldn't agree more. This can be a precise description on how it is to deal with each of them. Have a wonderful day, Doc, and blessings to you 🙏🏻🎉
Appreciate the info. My daughters father was an antisocial narcissist. Ended up with PTSD. If u meet these people "run", nothing good will ever come of any kind of relationship.
SNAKE ALERT! "david Williams" is a predator/CONMAN - DON'T TAKE THE BAIT! I can see them a mile away. Peace to you My Sister, from a fellow survivor ❤️🙏❤️
The more I learn about this, the more I wonder just how deep the wounds of generational racial trauma are. From slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation, narcissism and psychopathy are at center stage.
The rape of my grandmother led to the narcissism of my mom, and the trauma of my siblings. As much as I work, I still struggle to give my own kids the "village" that it takes to raise them. If they have kids, then their kids will have that, but that is a lot of generations.
You are a great parent...period. Having the understanding that you have bring the shackles of these generational curse off. They will be destroyed by you, I and those who stand up for ourselves and start to protect each other. If something is not right say something about it. Teach our kids to be confident in having happiness with there own healthy boundaries. I pray for all of us and I love you. Love does conquer all. Let's do this care bear stare together lol! ....we are a village all over the world.
It's not only through slavery,the whole world been highjacked by these thugs way before black slavery. They said humanity is on a prison planet without a single visible warden. These Thugs took over the prison and running it. Thanks to the evolution of mankind we are now understand what happened,how it happened and what we can do about it.
My father sold my dead mothers Jewelery without mine and my sister’s knowledge, depriving us of having anything to remember her by. He’s a multi Millionare, with a company worth billions that he and his brother made a success in America.
I often wonder how he could’ve done such a horrific act. He’s always had some narcissistic traits, but has been a loving father at other times in other ways. I know he’s disordered, I just cannot figure out which disorder he suffers from to do what he did with my mothers Jewelery.
I've always thought it was a game of childhood "keep-away" gone off the rails. They just decided that you were going to take a hard loss. Nothing more complicated. They probably tell themselves a short 'just-so' story about how their unilateral act of cruelty was actually justice being restored to the universe. They're incorrect to the point of being very wrong about it, and somehow, that's their proud moment. Literally all you can do is shrug and show them the back of your head, because the look on your face is their payoff.
Couldn’t even get thru the first min, i went to the podcast right away ❤️ congrats on your new podcast & thank you thank you thank you 🙏🏽
All psychopaths are narcissists,but not all narcissists are psychopathic.Clearly the psychopath is worst.
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Psychopaths are pure evil at their core ...... And ruthless in their ways
What is see as most important whichever you are dealing with, you need to make your own decision to remain in these relationships if it is family or friends for you to answer who is most important! Are you ready to stand up for your happiness in life, peace, confidence, and love yourself as only you can do! If you over years have been in a toxic relationship, then it’s time to end that relationship for the rest of your life. I had professional counseling by a wonderful woman who saved my life. Run as fast as you can, as far away as you can. That was 4 years ago. Not a single regret! It was my only sibling, my brother! I hope I’m able to help someone who is at crossroads. I definitely suggest seeing a professional counselor to help you sort out the pain of another person targeting you with pure hatred ! Blessings
That makes it really clear, thank you! 🙏🏼
thanks for all your efforts in making these videos Dr Ramani, you have allowed me to become so much more self aware and have provided me with words to describe my difficult experiences. I really appreciate all that you do, keep it up 🤗
They’re both bad get away from both of them
Agreed. Psychopaths can lie over and over again and you fall for it. But they won't lie when they say they'll crush you, because they will.
Enjoying your podcast, Dr. Ramani! So proud of you😊💪❤ you are the angel 😇 for narc survivors. Your healing program is saving many lives. Thank you⚘💖
Wow, this is chillingly SO on point! 👏
Both a psychopath and a narcissist are worse in their own “respective” ways.
I had a bit of a self-esteem problem before I met him. And I am always the first to take the blame so the other person can feel right. So it didn't take long to convince me I was all the horrible things his mind imagined I was. I finally realized after a few years out of the relationship that he wasn't so perfect either.
Psychopaths have none of the vulnerability, and aren’t just selfish, they actively set out to destroy your life. There doesn’t seem to be any limit to a psychopaths creative cruelty, they mean to break you. Any imagined slight and they owe it to wreak havoc
THANK YOU TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE! BLESSINGS I WISH YOU WAY!
Growing up with a narc mother, I definitely developed an overly sensitive nervous system in order to survive the unpredictability of that relationship. In some ways I'm grateful for this, as I can pretty quickly sense when I'm in the presence of a psychopath. You immediately get this uncomfortable sense of threat and menace, like a predator trying to hunt you down. The energy it gives off is frightening and its eyes are completely cold and dead, like a human shell walking around taking advantage of people, so it's easier to identify one and escape them. Narcissists are a little more chaotic and emotional, which is why I struggle more with avoiding them.
Dr. Ramani, could you talk some time about Narcissists with the Dark Triad, pls? They seem to be the worse and most dangerous around.
Love you Dr Ramani. Take good care of yourself.
Brilliant breakdown! Thank you.
Yep, that was my husband! If I tried to leave he would take me OUT! If he left me, he would take me OUT! You can't win. 🤷♀️There is an overlap and he seemed to be proficient in all categories. I don't know how many times I sent evidence to a friend saying just in case something happens to me. Psychopaths always want to be a chameleon and have the element of surprise with their plot clearly thought out. Before my husband's death, ( and I use the term loosely) the hospital sent him to a psychiatrist and they said he had anti-social personality disorder. I thought, at the time, it meant antisocial which he definitely was not. After he died is when I found out. I just knew he was VERY, VERY dangerous. I'm thankful everyday I made it through and didn't become a statistic. I still have PTSD, but not as badly. I live alone and am perfectly happy that way. AND, needless to say, I'm not looking for a significant other, EVER🤣
I'm so glad you are safe and relatively well today🙏🏻.