I would rather use a Wii Remote to play Osu than go through that Yukari malding for optimal transition. Nuh uh. I'm just gonna borrow another Hanako-S and take my time
I mmean, cool enough, S.Hanako and Yukari works by having their teammates use up their ults anyway just that one launches their Ult practically every 30 seconds and one takes the whole half-battle to bring a giant nuke to Nagisaki and bomb this mf Or you can use both, S.Hanako first team and Yukari second team, epik XD
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion on the boss from a design perspective. To this day I still don't consider Greg a real boss and I think they figured out they went too hard on it and made Hovercraft to make up, but it turned out to be a bit too shallow. I feel like Kurokage hits the mark of what a new boss should bring to the game, while not forcing players to abandon 98% of their previous units, or just recycle previous gimmicks to mask the raid as accessible to players. Thank you for the video.
@@warhammer8230 We are talking about Torment so no. Greg is insanely unit-gated; 97% of your roster won't work on it. Even Causew commented on this in an older video. If you have all the units it is one of the easiest torments around.
@@warhammer8230 I think you misunderstood what end-game content is like. Torment as a whole perfected many of the stuff we had in the past for Insane, refined some mechanics/rng bullshit but mainly introduced new roadblocks players had to go figure out how to go through first, unlike lets say when you're overlevel and just ignore raid mechanics for a lower level boss. Many raids made previously mechanics that were hidden or you could ignore even back then, a must thing for players to learn, adapt and play around them, and often introduced the concept of having multiple teams to beat it - in this case I mean more than 1-2 teams people were used to in lower difficulties. A lot of day 1 gacha and farmable units alike got a lot of highlight becoming core part of some teams and new strategies, something that you would not previously see in lower difficulties including Insane, which is just crazy to think about. Basically that rewarded end-game players for keeping their account progress in check for farming and building a lot of units over a long period of time that previously were just alternatives or "not best in slot" units, and made the experience very engaging, expressive and creative. ----- Now let's talk about Greg Gregorius introduced some requirements basically close to no unit as far as I can tell previously had, besides Koharu which is there to - heal, which is not a mechanic exclusive to Gregorius. The requirement is to randomly have 2 or 3 debuffs on their kit - most units had 1 debuff at most. Plus you needed very specific debuffs that we never had in the game, or just weren't as common or useful in other raids, since the boss demands that you have different types of debuffs so they can stack up. The boss, unlike others also was made with S.Hoshino in mind, so they basically had to kill any sort of blue armored unit in the game that you can think of, *and most red armored units AS WELL on top of that* - something other raids just made harder to do or manage, but not impossible. Yet another limiting factor for older units. And lastly but not least, it also has the highest evasion in the game for a Total Assault boss, which if you tried to follow the severe requirement of trying to use a yellow armor farmable unit on the field, you'd run into the pain of having to deal with massive evasion basically destroying any chances of getting anything consistently done. In the end, the raid was one-teamed. The only Torment to be one-teamed on release, yes. ----- What can we learn from that? Greg is the easiest Torment to clear that goes against everything the game has done previously in regards to unit viability. Anyone could make an alt and clear it in 4-6 months. You only needed a very specific set of units, anything else doesn't even come close to it, so there's nothing there to learn for further teams. You copy one team and clear it. There's no learning curve at all. It's not end-game friendly at all, that's the complete opposite of it.
Greg felt extremelly easy to clear once you have the required units. It doesn't require every student maxed if you can afford to use your borrow on the second team. UE40 Minori/Nagisa, UE Koharu and the remaining units can even be 3*. This team could easily deal 160 to 180M leaving 40 to 60M for a second team with saya. Also, since the boss has no RNG on his behaviour, you can mald Minori crits as much as you like for that sweet upscore while having an easy and safe eject option. It is so easy to run and so consistent that I manage to clear in 8 minutes after day 3 reset and I surely ain't the brightest player around. It definitely felt like an insane raid. Sure, it is challenging to allocate 3 sparks (maybe 4 considering a double spark on ssrt) for greg units considering we had Mika, Nagisa, NY Kayoko/Haruka, Maris, Reisa, Summer Shiroko/Ui/Hanako on the same 6 month spam. I totally agree it is hard for a f2p player to give up on pulling on so many good units just to clear a single raid, but well, this is part of the game, I'm still having to deal with having no summer shiroko, but this is a price I'm willing to pay to keep clearing all torments.
@@warhammer8230 Almost every player at endgame hates kurokage, and for good reason. If you have the required characters then its the easiest raid ever, because said characters were made specifically for greg, and greg was made for those characters. However if you don't have those characters you pretty much won't be able to clear it, you can get away with it if you have some of those characters. With every other raid in the game, you pretty much just need roles, not characters, which means several people can clear them by using vastly different teams just because they had different students to fit the required roles. Greg made people think that the devs were shifting into a p2w model, where you were forced to pay so you could pull all characters, or had to settle with insane.
I just tried track Mari, and her AoE heal counters the PH2 attacks because she heals all those around her. She completely cleared out the intimidation meter and she can heal herself out of her own when triggering the EX (because of her sub skill). I used: Koyuki Hinata (mystic) Swimsuit Saki Track Suit Mari Summer Mashiro Ako I wanted to try out summer hinata as well as it ignores 40% def on her skill, and using the other defence and evasion reduction should provide huge dps output.
damn that DOT black hole attack really scares me, do you think it's worth to UE50 atsuko just to get that extra healing? or it doesn't really have any significant differences? i saw on schalegg it adds around 200 healing stats, do you think that number justifies the 900 ligmas wasted?
UE40 is the recommended investment for Torment and is perfectly enough so UE50 won’t be necessary The main thing to worry about is the eye puddle RNG where if you get unlucky and a student gets hit by too many in a row, Atsuko won’t be able to heal them up in time. UE50 for a slight heal boost won’t really change anything in that case. The only thing you can do in that scenario is to just reset
UE50 doesnt really add anything and won't be the difference between you making it or failing. This is true for basically any UE50, it's never necessary and you'll always have a better place to spend 900 ligma
Try to add friends who have a maxed S.Hanako. If you can borrow a S.Hanako she'll do enough by herself to make your life in Extreme or below much easier.
the core problem is are you have sonic dps character than Hanako? asumming you borrow Kikyo, idf yes then you should be fine doing 2 team is good especialy if you wanna take Insane
Hmm. Seems like I really don't have the best characters for this one. I've barely got any AoE healing (and not enough yellow coins left to 3* my Hanako), not much for tanking options either (at least I've got 3* Bond 20 Yuuka...), no 3* purples, and no AoE Def Down. Looks like my main team is going to have to be Yuuka, Momiji, borrowed S.Hanako, Kokona, Serina, and Ako or Kotama. And my secondary team will be "pray I don't need one". Hopefully my clubmates' S.Hanako can carry me through Extreme anyway, despite not having a good roster to make an under-leveled (lvl.66) attempt at it.
Yes, you can use Koharu and 5* is recommended. In any case you decided to use her, your striker setup would probably be Hanako, S.Hoshino, Kikyou, and Koharu. S.Oji-san would have to act as a tank in this case instead of Atsuko.
@@Patwrick just found out himari banner runs right after kurokage and it sucks, so any hopes of doing one-team runs looks pretty much impossible (dont have her and cat). Didnt know ojisan and koharu would be enough for tank and healer tho, so ill still try anyway. Thanks for the help :)
This boss looks like a lot of fun to fight 😁 I am a level 59 player, started during kasumi and ichika banner, and my setup for this is gonna be Phase 1 team: nonomi, eimi, momiji and izuna with serina and fuuka Phase 2 team: yukari, cherino, reisa, and B asuna with HS nodoka and ayane Phase 2-3 team: junko, yuuka, Ui and hinata with S mimori and saki I am planning to tackle the difficulty above hardcore if my memory serves (the one with a recommended level of 70, after the level 50). And these students are my only well built ones, hanako, hanae and chinatsu are currently underleveled but I can raise them if you see them fit to replace anyone on the teams. Would love to hear some opinions and questions so I can better beat this boss.
Above hardcore is extreme. Hmm yukari ex is 7 cost tho so might wanna put Ui in that team instead. But other than that teams look ok. But ideally if u can borrow a maxed S.hanako from someone u might be able 1pan extreme
@@pettanshrimpnazunasapostle1992 Unfortunately my club does not have a maxed hanako, only one that is lvl 65. So I replace cherino with Ui instead thanks
@@reykafuu ouch, well she should still be able to clear hard to hardcore depending on how much you invested on her Oh and depends on how fast your aoe can kill too XD
Ayane is better, the map is ridiculously huge, at best you can heal 2 students with Ayane and Hanako, i bring serina on Extreme, same stuff i can heal 2 students per 2 EX, it freaking sucks not having Koharu.
thx for the guide! Luckily for me i have both S. Hanako and Ichika so i should be able to manage this funnily enough i rolled for both of them because horny reasons rather than to have purple units, unexpected advantage lol
Hanako and Momiji are only 2 purple students I have, and Ako. No chernio, kikyou, himari, s hoshino, atsuko Let see what I can come up with, or watching you doing no gacha insane run haha
Greg is a dumbass boss where 96% of your units cant even work or die early. If i cant clear torment greg its honestly whatever and doesnt really matter at all as i dont consider greg as a real raid. Just look at how many people created their alt and easily got the torment clear, its just literally how it is, a scripted raid with 0 skill required. Im not so sure why some greg mains cant accept the truth that this raid is a dumb designed raid. If someone have fun there sure ig but its not gonna change how this raid is suck balls. And finally nexon fixed their mistake and released kurokage, you only need to spark like once (kikyou). Shanako doesnt count because if someone is skipping her obviously theyre trolling anyway
I am not apologizing. If Nexon ever releases another raid that requires pulling units from 3 consecutive banners that aren't that used elsewhere I'm totally creating another alt again.
I still think that not having a proper welfare debuffer for greg is the worst part, making all the core units for the first greg gacha only is something that goes farther that just the boss design. It is a business decision.
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I would rather use a Wii Remote to play Osu than go through that Yukari malding for optimal transition. Nuh uh. I'm just gonna borrow another Hanako-S and take my time
womp womp
If even the Razgriz said that, I'm not even gonna bother XD
I mmean, cool enough, S.Hanako and Yukari works by having their teammates use up their ults anyway just that one launches their Ult practically every 30 seconds and one takes the whole half-battle to bring a giant nuke to Nagisaki and bomb this mf
Or you can use both, S.Hanako first team and Yukari second team, epik XD
Kurokage is such a cool looking boss
Can't wait to get my hands on it
Your hands will be in the Shittim chest, right sensei?
Sensei?
Huh
Is that you Kayoko?
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion on the boss from a design perspective. To this day I still don't consider Greg a real boss and I think they figured out they went too hard on it and made Hovercraft to make up, but it turned out to be a bit too shallow. I feel like Kurokage hits the mark of what a new boss should bring to the game, while not forcing players to abandon 98% of their previous units, or just recycle previous gimmicks to mask the raid as accessible to players. Thank you for the video.
Greg is good challenge for end-game players, tho
@@warhammer8230 We are talking about Torment so no. Greg is insanely unit-gated; 97% of your roster won't work on it. Even Causew commented on this in an older video. If you have all the units it is one of the easiest torments around.
@@warhammer8230 I think you misunderstood what end-game content is like.
Torment as a whole perfected many of the stuff we had in the past for Insane, refined some mechanics/rng bullshit but mainly introduced new roadblocks players had to go figure out how to go through first, unlike lets say when you're overlevel and just ignore raid mechanics for a lower level boss.
Many raids made previously mechanics that were hidden or you could ignore even back then, a must thing for players to learn, adapt and play around them, and often introduced the concept of having multiple teams to beat it - in this case I mean more than 1-2 teams people were used to in lower difficulties.
A lot of day 1 gacha and farmable units alike got a lot of highlight becoming core part of some teams and new strategies, something that you would not previously see in lower difficulties including Insane, which is just crazy to think about. Basically that rewarded end-game players for keeping their account progress in check for farming and building a lot of units over a long period of time that previously were just alternatives or "not best in slot" units, and made the experience very engaging, expressive and creative.
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Now let's talk about Greg
Gregorius introduced some requirements basically close to no unit as far as I can tell previously had, besides Koharu which is there to - heal, which is not a mechanic exclusive to Gregorius. The requirement is to randomly have 2 or 3 debuffs on their kit - most units had 1 debuff at most. Plus you needed very specific debuffs that we never had in the game, or just weren't as common or useful in other raids, since the boss demands that you have different types of debuffs so they can stack up.
The boss, unlike others also was made with S.Hoshino in mind, so they basically had to kill any sort of blue armored unit in the game that you can think of, *and most red armored units AS WELL on top of that* - something other raids just made harder to do or manage, but not impossible. Yet another limiting factor for older units.
And lastly but not least, it also has the highest evasion in the game for a Total Assault boss, which if you tried to follow the severe requirement of trying to use a yellow armor farmable unit on the field, you'd run into the pain of having to deal with massive evasion basically destroying any chances of getting anything consistently done.
In the end, the raid was one-teamed. The only Torment to be one-teamed on release, yes.
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What can we learn from that?
Greg is the easiest Torment to clear that goes against everything the game has done previously in regards to unit viability. Anyone could make an alt and clear it in 4-6 months. You only needed a very specific set of units, anything else doesn't even come close to it, so there's nothing there to learn for further teams. You copy one team and clear it. There's no learning curve at all.
It's not end-game friendly at all, that's the complete opposite of it.
Greg felt extremelly easy to clear once you have the required units. It doesn't require every student maxed if you can afford to use your borrow on the second team. UE40 Minori/Nagisa, UE Koharu and the remaining units can even be 3*. This team could easily deal 160 to 180M leaving 40 to 60M for a second team with saya. Also, since the boss has no RNG on his behaviour, you can mald Minori crits as much as you like for that sweet upscore while having an easy and safe eject option.
It is so easy to run and so consistent that I manage to clear in 8 minutes after day 3 reset and I surely ain't the brightest player around. It definitely felt like an insane raid.
Sure, it is challenging to allocate 3 sparks (maybe 4 considering a double spark on ssrt) for greg units considering we had Mika, Nagisa, NY Kayoko/Haruka, Maris, Reisa, Summer Shiroko/Ui/Hanako on the same 6 month spam. I totally agree it is hard for a f2p player to give up on pulling on so many good units just to clear a single raid, but well, this is part of the game, I'm still having to deal with having no summer shiroko, but this is a price I'm willing to pay to keep clearing all torments.
@@warhammer8230 Almost every player at endgame hates kurokage, and for good reason. If you have the required characters then its the easiest raid ever, because said characters were made specifically for greg, and greg was made for those characters. However if you don't have those characters you pretty much won't be able to clear it, you can get away with it if you have some of those characters. With every other raid in the game, you pretty much just need roles, not characters, which means several people can clear them by using vastly different teams just because they had different students to fit the required roles. Greg made people think that the devs were shifting into a p2w model, where you were forced to pay so you could pull all characters, or had to settle with insane.
Man do I feel bad for new students facing this boss 😢
12:26 it was a nice touch
I just tried track Mari, and her AoE heal counters the PH2 attacks because she heals all those around her. She completely cleared out the intimidation meter and she can heal herself out of her own when triggering the EX (because of her sub skill).
I used:
Koyuki
Hinata (mystic)
Swimsuit Saki
Track Suit Mari
Summer Mashiro
Ako
I wanted to try out summer hinata as well as it ignores 40% def on her skill, and using the other defence and evasion reduction should provide huge dps output.
Let's goooooo! Aris and I love your guides Friend 🥰💙
Newer sensei here, this is the first raid i've managed to clear Extreme for! Many thanks to the S.Hanako I stole for it
Thanks for the guide!
Thanks a lot! I hope I can defeat Kurokage in relative comfort.
Atsuko is just insane for this you dont even have to worry about the debuffs from the boss if you use her
Example Team 1 is my team for this Insane difficulty. I've raised them for months 🤣
love hot spring shigure in this she truly is the YOU CANT KILL ME button
Thanks for the guide
Atsuko time to shine lets goo
damn that DOT black hole attack really scares me, do you think it's worth to UE50 atsuko just to get that extra healing? or it doesn't really have any significant differences? i saw on schalegg it adds around 200 healing stats, do you think that number justifies the 900 ligmas wasted?
UE40 is the recommended investment for Torment and is perfectly enough so UE50 won’t be necessary
The main thing to worry about is the eye puddle RNG where if you get unlucky and a student gets hit by too many in a row, Atsuko won’t be able to heal them up in time. UE50 for a slight heal boost won’t really change anything in that case. The only thing you can do in that scenario is to just reset
UE50 doesnt really add anything and won't be the difference between you making it or failing. This is true for basically any UE50, it's never necessary and you'll always have a better place to spend 900 ligma
alright thank you for the responses
I am ready to fight the cat
this is a great guide!
Thank you for your effort!
Great guide mane, been trying to clear Insane (if I was able to, but somehow that thing always targets Koharu idk why)
What team would you do for an Extreme clear with no gacha students? Im only around lv 65 and kind of want to try Extreme, my only purple is Momji.
Try to add friends who have a maxed S.Hanako. If you can borrow a S.Hanako she'll do enough by herself to make your life in Extreme or below much easier.
What's your ID? I will add you (I'm in Asia server)
@@warhammer8230 thanks for the offer but Im play in NA
This boss is hard as balls, gonna grind this shit hard
Still waiting for this raid rerun in JP
thank you
Thanks❤
Thanks
i hope this guide gives multiple team choices I don’t have atsuko
I really want camp hare she’ll go well with hot tub shiguire I really like her
the core problem is are you have sonic dps character than Hanako? asumming you borrow Kikyo, idf yes then you should be fine doing 2 team is good especialy if you wanna take Insane
man i still malding this raid like everyday
Can T. Mari be useful at this raid?
Hmm. Seems like I really don't have the best characters for this one. I've barely got any AoE healing (and not enough yellow coins left to 3* my Hanako), not much for tanking options either (at least I've got 3* Bond 20 Yuuka...), no 3* purples, and no AoE Def Down. Looks like my main team is going to have to be Yuuka, Momiji, borrowed S.Hanako, Kokona, Serina, and Ako or Kotama. And my secondary team will be "pray I don't need one". Hopefully my clubmates' S.Hanako can carry me through Extreme anyway, despite not having a good roster to make an under-leveled (lvl.66) attempt at it.
I know UE40 is needed for Atsuko because of her enhanced + but is it doable with UE30 on Torment?
UE 30 to 40 difference is actually huge due to that enhanced, I assume it's prob quite maldy if u were to do ue 30 in tmt
there are clear on jp server with ue30.
but a) you need to know what you are doing and b) you'll lose a lot of ticket
Even 3* is doable in Torment, but each fewer stars equals way more malding for the eye RNG. It's still recommended to get her to at least UE30.
Are insane runs doable with only koharu as healer (+ occassional ako heal ig). And is it required to upgrade koharu to 5* if so?
Yes, you can use Koharu and 5* is recommended. In any case you decided to use her, your striker setup would probably be Hanako, S.Hoshino, Kikyou, and Koharu. S.Oji-san would have to act as a tank in this case instead of Atsuko.
@@Patwrick just found out himari banner runs right after kurokage and it sucks, so any hopes of doing one-team runs looks pretty much impossible (dont have her and cat). Didnt know ojisan and koharu would be enough for tank and healer tho, so ill still try anyway. Thanks for the help :)
This boss looks like a lot of fun to fight 😁
I am a level 59 player, started during kasumi and ichika banner, and my setup for this is gonna be
Phase 1 team: nonomi, eimi, momiji and izuna with serina and fuuka
Phase 2 team: yukari, cherino, reisa, and B asuna with HS nodoka and ayane
Phase 2-3 team: junko, yuuka, Ui and hinata with S mimori and saki
I am planning to tackle the difficulty above hardcore if my memory serves (the one with a recommended level of 70, after the level 50).
And these students are my only well built ones, hanako, hanae and chinatsu are currently underleveled but I can raise them if you see them fit to replace anyone on the teams. Would love to hear some opinions and questions so I can better beat this boss.
Above hardcore is extreme. Hmm yukari ex is 7 cost tho so might wanna put Ui in that team instead. But other than that teams look ok. But ideally if u can borrow a maxed S.hanako from someone u might be able 1pan extreme
@@pettanshrimpnazunasapostle1992
Unfortunately my club does not have a maxed hanako, only one that is lvl 65.
So I replace cherino with Ui instead thanks
@@Mechanicarspy Are you from Asia server? Tell me your ID and I will add you (My Hanako is UE40 if you want)
Is Hanako able to do something as a healer?
Normal Hanako is an AOE healer so she should work especially if you have her exclusive item at 20th affection
@@syaondri nah, my normal Hanako still 2 stars 💀
@@reykafuu ouch, well she should still be able to clear hard to hardcore depending on how much you invested on her
Oh and depends on how fast your aoe can kill too XD
@@syaondri bruh :)
Ayane is better, the map is ridiculously huge, at best you can heal 2 students with Ayane and Hanako, i bring serina on Extreme, same stuff i can heal 2 students per 2 EX, it freaking sucks not having Koharu.
my only sonic is momiji smh. Good to know it isnt needed as much i guess. I will just borrow purple when getting to phase 2.
thx for the guide! Luckily for me i have both S. Hanako and Ichika so i should be able to manage this
funnily enough i rolled for both of them because horny reasons rather than to have purple units, unexpected advantage lol
Hanako and Momiji are only 2 purple students I have, and Ako. No chernio, kikyou, himari, s hoshino, atsuko
Let see what I can come up with, or watching you doing no gacha insane run haha
Well lucky me i got yukari,kikyou, and ichika in kikyou banner 😁
Oof. This one looks like a doozy for me. I'm missing a bunch of the core tanks and defense debuffers so I'll probably struggle through this.
Greg is a dumbass boss where 96% of your units cant even work or die early. If i cant clear torment greg its honestly whatever and doesnt really matter at all as i dont consider greg as a real raid. Just look at how many people created their alt and easily got the torment clear, its just literally how it is, a scripted raid with 0 skill required. Im not so sure why some greg mains cant accept the truth that this raid is a dumb designed raid. If someone have fun there sure ig but its not gonna change how this raid is suck balls. And finally nexon fixed their mistake and released kurokage, you only need to spark like once (kikyou). Shanako doesnt count because if someone is skipping her obviously theyre trolling anyway
I am not apologizing. If Nexon ever releases another raid that requires pulling units from 3 consecutive banners that aren't that used elsewhere I'm totally creating another alt again.
I still think that not having a proper welfare debuffer for greg is the worst part, making all the core units for the first greg gacha only is something that goes farther that just the boss design. It is a business decision.
Thanks. I have plans now for insane. Hehehe atleast thats what i say till i copy other youtubers. 😂
Thank you for your supreme content, sensei!
Thanks to this video i managed to best up til insane. Thanks
Thanks for the guide!!!
Thank you