Audioengine speakers are also overpriced for what they are. Micca's RB42 passive bookshelf speakers punch way above their weight class at $150 and can be powered by just about any decent ChiFi Class D or T amplifier. Pretty decent audio can be had for under $200. That subwoofer also looks horribly inadequate with that 6.5" woofer also. For $150, there are quite a few decent options that likely offer more and cleaner extension. If that were my budget, I'd go with the Dayton Audio 10" SUB-1000 all day long. Or heck, just visit your local pawn shop and see what people are getting rid of. I've found some crazy deals at pawn shops and garage sales, like a pair of Yamaha HS5 studio monitors for only $50.
I just have soundswitch and some macro keys set up that do pretty much the same thing, can highly recommend if you want a free alternative to the stand
@raulespinoza8668 your headset does not sound better than my speakers lol. I do use steel series software in conjunction with 2 other eq software. So yes, mine are better
For the $400 of the speakers and "subwoofer", you can get a pair of Adam T5vs with similar levels of bass extension and much less distortion (probably). I don't see the value here.
Yes. Also I've been using a Mackie Big Knob for monitor/headphone control for years and it works really well; plus it's more aimed at amateur music creators and therefore has a lot more functionality. Doesn't look as nice though, and I do like the switchmix as a succint device for when you don't want to faff around. The button on the headphone rack is cool.
Yeah pricing is horrible... Think i paid less for my pair of Genelecs (used yes but buying audio gear new never made sense to me not counting headphones due to hygene)
These aren't a good deal; they are overpriced and underperformed. The 305P MkII is exponentially better, and overall a better value. It can be found on sale or used for almost half the price.
The NZXT speakers are $250/pair - I don't see the 305P MkII available for less than $150/speaker anywhere Obviously used stuff is a better deal than new stuff
The Edifier speakers are even better value. You can get the R1280T for about $120, and the form factor makes them even better fitted for sitting on or around a desk.
@@deuswulf6193 R1280T are quite bad for the money. Edifier MR4 is much better and if the budget is that low, I would get Creative Pebble V2/V3. Add a sub later and you're set.
@@Tealc2323 I strongly disagree. The MR4 not only cost more, but as studio monitors they end up being more on the flat side in terms of audio. The R1280T and those in that line will provide a much richer audio experience, and for less. The wood side panels contribute to better acoustics, and it also has more than one input. For content consumption, they are a much better option than the MR4's imo.
I mean... you get two monitors for $250 instead of paying $250 each for monitors... not only that a soundcard/interface is mandatory so that's an extra $250.. and then cables and stands .... $150 max. Gamers want something affordable that you can plug and play.
Soundswitch is a free app that you can keybind the action of switching audio devices. I keybind F3 and it swaps between the set devices for playback. Also works for recording. Much better than spending a bunch of money on a compromise solution just to solve this problem.
I'm glad someone else mentioned it. Back when I needed to swap between ARC and headphones, this was my go-to. It did cause some kernel panics every now and again though...
I also use soundswitch, however it would be super cool to have a physical switch that inputs the hokey when you place your headset on it like the device.
Those speakers are pretty expensive in comparison to lots of studio monitors from good brands. A KRK Rokit RP7 G4 are about $200 and has a 48W tweeter and a 97W woofer, for example.
why are you looking at power as a performance metric???? why not look at the horrendous subwoofer that can only extend down to 45hz and even worse, the speakers themselves that only extend to 70hz???
Without usb, optical, and Bluetooth inputs, and only 3” drivers those speakers are seriously over priced. I have a pair a jamo powered s801s with all those features, bigger drivers, and less money. And would probably curb stomp those sound wise.
I would say the opposite. The smoothing, specifically the 1/1, is straight up lying. The 1/3 is more honest, but also reveals some of the shortcomings and problem areas of these speakers. I would 2ish for an even lesser smoothing. These are not good measuring speakers. If you want to see good speakers measured go to asr(audiosciencereview) and look for some genelecs or neumanns. I get that the lab is in between no information and actual precise measurements to appeal to the average lmg user, but I feel, that working with the smoothing and not going into the problems in measurements (for example the abysmal performance in 2-4khz with the headphones) does the user not much good.
After switching to a pair of $100-150 edifier bookshelf speakers, I realized you don't need a subwoofer with those. Its enough to shake the desk they sit upon when the bass is cranked up. I bet they sound much better than NZXT's over priced Relay speakers and sub.
Same here. I’ve got the Edifier R1280DBs, and they’re perfect bookshelf speakers for my PC. A very big upgrade from the old Logitech speakers that I used to have. They sound great and they’re only $150 AUD which is just over $100 USD, so they’re also quite affordable. I also use a program called Equalizer APO with the Peace GUI to get a more balanced sound profile on them too though. BTW, with that program, you can download a configuration program for it named AutoEQ that has hundreds of speakers and headphones tuned by audiophiles like Crinicle and Oratory1991. For my ATH-M40X’s it made them sound much nicer.
Don’t need a subwoofer but it definitely helps. Allows you to get more bass without shaking the desk since it won’t be on said desk, and it should dig deeper. I use a pair of Micca MB42x with a cheap 12” Monoprice sub I picked up on sale and works great. Doesn’t dig as deep as my HSU VTF-MK3s but I can actually fit the Monoprice under my desk.
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exactly!!! i got 2 KRK Rokit 6 inch monitors, with stands, cables and a presonus audio box 96 for $400
I wonder; is it possible for you guys doing short circuit unboxings, to also check the repairability (of the most commonly breaking pieces, like ear cushions, mics, cables) of the stuff you review? For me personally it's really important that I can repair my stuff, in order to use them for as long as possible and to reduce e-waste. Anf if you were to include that in your reviews, it could maybe push manifacturers to make stuff more repairable.
That would be more like a LTT video than a Short Circuit video, but I do want to see such video as well Ear cushions however, would be the easiest as you can purchase them separately, or purchase through a 3rd-party manufacturer (check their latest under $100 tech video)
@ the lab could do the testing but SC could do the mentioning, I'd love to see more pressure being put on manufacturers to make stuff repairable
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@@HeyKai I get what ur saying I think that short circuit could benefit but that sounds like review material rather than first impressions Maybe “here’s what the product manufacturer says is reparable” in the short circuit, and then “here’s what’s actually repairable” in the ltt video
"high end stuff"? You probably mean expensive. XLR mics (xlr is the name of the connector, not a brand) connected to an external audio board are the high end
I have a senhiser gsx 500 and if I plug it into my motherboard the mic sounds like garbage but when I use my sbz sound card the mic sound over 9000 times better
Having an easy way to switch between Headphones and Speakers is truly a gamechanger, and I would personally recommend, for those with the budget and use case, to look into JDS Labs' Element III AMPDAC, a beautiful headphone AMP & DAC with an additional PREAMP out for Speakers, and you can switch between those outputs with the click of a button, and it's your choice whether it's the all metal and insanely great-feeling big volume knob, or a button at the rear. The device has a little OLED screen and can be programmed pretty deep to fit your hardware and preferences, and the build quality is beyond amazing.
Power supplies are almost always the first thing to go on powered speakers so actually well done to NZXT for having an external power supply, everything should have an external power supply that you can replace for $20-30 dollars because good luck trying to source and replace a proprietary internal power supply in speakers
An interesting idea I've always had but never see (the closest is the N64) is a cavity in a product which has the space to hold a removable power supply. It would be a waste of space in smaller, space constricted speakers like these though.
One oversight with the speakers though is that they are rear ported. Generally you want rear ported speaker to be 2-3 feet forward from walls for the best sound quality. Last I checked most gaming setups I see are up against walls.
Nah, there is no such rule and it doesn't matter whether the speakers are rear ported, front ported or not ported at all. For the port to work properly it only needs as much space behind as its diameter. The effect of putting pretty much any speakers against the wall is very simple - it boosts the bass.
@@n0xtshoving a rear ported speaker does increase the bass but it muddies it and generally decreases sound quality and messes with the frequency response. quit spouting uninformed nonsense
@@n0xt "it doesn't matter whether the speakers are rear ported, front ported or not ported at all." is complete nonsense. of course it matters otherwise it wouldnt be a practice at all. shoving a rear ported speaker up against the wall muddies the bass and 'increases' it by distorting the signature. "For the port to work properly it only needs as much space behind as its diameter. " this is also completely false and i genuinely cant even fathom what hole of yours you pulled this out from
@@xScurn Presence of a port or its location doesn't change the dispersion pattern of the speaker. It will be omnidirectional in the low frequencies for the vast majority of speakers out there. Thus the effects attributable to the distance from the back wall are the same regardless of the port. Regarding the minimum distance from the back wall: you can check the recommendations from manufacturers that take their engineering and customers seriously, such as Genelec or Dynaudio. Keep in mind that "minimal distance from the back wall to assure that the port is working properly" is not the same as "optimal distance from the back wall to achieve the best sound". The latter will depend on the speaker, the room and whether you use equalization.
I paid the price of just the subwoofer for my Teufel Concept E Magnum back somewhere around 2003-2005ish, which is a full 5.1 setup that still rocks today. I wish there was a similar audio solution these days for a similar price. _THAT_ would fix PC audio. Not having to pay thrice as much for way less.
@@FhargaZ Still got a Creative/Cambridge Soundworks FPS1600 4.1 around as well. Was my first surround setup that I got in 1998 with my SB Live! Value. That really was a big game changer back in the day. The last time I actually used it (like 5-6 years ago by now) it still worked perfectly fine as well. That thing was like 69 bucks (nice!) or so... imagine getting actual surround audio for that these days... uncredible (=unbelievably incredible, in case you might wonder)! XD
5:22 i think smaller sub might actually be better if these speakers are intended to be used in like teenagers bedroom that is relatively small because that small room will most likely cause an increase in bass anyway so there is no need for huge sub. also putting the sub near wall will also boost bass and i assume most people will put this sub near wall.
even the reviewer couldn't fake enjoyment. if you guys are in need of these products, you can get better quality and price to performance. with peace and love
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exactly!!! i got 2 KRK Rokit 6 inch monitors, with stands, cables and a presonus audio box 96 for $400
Until I heard the price, I was nearly convinced to buy and try the speakers and the subwoofer (why are they even sold separately?!). But for 400$? Are they crazy?! I paid for my Logitech Z623 90€ (~100$) and I have these since 2014 and I bet the NZXT aren't that much better to justify the price.
This would be more interesting if they also included a multi-input (the 3.5mm-based mini-TOS makes the most sense here, as you get copper and optical in one port, plus a bluetooth input would be nice) mixer, that way it's not just a PC setup but also handles other consoles, set-top boxes (or TV sticks via audio-out), or even a secondary PC/laptop, etc.
The way I handle multiple outputs is a macro keyboard (Redragon K585) and a free software (Audioswitch) and the hotkeys are like alt+ctrl+shift+[F-key], which will be mapped to the macro keyboard. As for why multiple outputs, headphones for surround sound gaming, speakers for comfortable/movie and IEM for accurate sounds.
The whole rig is $630 US. If you already have a decent headset, you might as well just get some studio monitors and a pro boom mic for a lot less money.
For the price of the speakers and sub, you could get some higher quality powered monitors and a sub from various other speaker manufacturers that would outperform these. I like NZXT, but I don't think their name/brand is worth a $200 premium for the speakers and sub.
I use the klipsch 2.1 computer speakers. Cost $130-150 and my sister uses the Logitech equivalent with optical-in for same price. Both these are just as good, if not better than the NZXT stuff, plus both have their volume control and bass adjustments in the front. And no power brick
I've had Logitech 2.1s for like 15 years (they were like $70 back then), and they still sound great during near-field listening (e.g., while sitting at my desk, staring at my desktop monitor).
I have the Creative T60's(£70 right now), which have a headphone jack on the back, and a button that swaps between the 2. The speakers connect via USB, so it's plugged into a USB hub that I can swap between my work and personal PCs to allow me to use the same audio equipment on both without faff. This seems to be solving a problem that hasn't existed for a long time... Stand seems cool though.
That microphone sounds surprisingly good for a boom mic. It's not amazing, but rather than being "okay for a boom mic" it's "an okay mic", very good result for a piece that most manufacturers consider a throw away.
I have 2 JBL Professional LS305 Near Field Monitor speakers on stands on either side of the desk running through XLR into a Scarlet 2i2. Then for headphones, everything goes through my GoXLR mini. I use my StreamDeck XL to trigger switching audio sources from Bar Raider tools and it allows me to easily swap between without having to dink around with a headphone stand and button. All in all, probably a similar cost to the full kit there but much better audio quality and sound. To each their own I reckon.
I hope that in the future you guys could let some of your colleagues try them out for their quick short opinions on the fit and comfort as well. Especially those with larger or smaller heads or more oval or squarish faces, e.t.c. I am sure you guys can't cover every possible head shape and size but a larger number of data from different users would help everyone to better judge if it might be discomforting for them or not. There have been quite a few headsets and headphones that my friends and I bought online because of all the good reviews and critiques only to be unable to use them due to the discomfort or even pain from using them. A lot of the headphones like for example the Virtuoso and Drop headsets are not in any local stores here and can't be tried and tested for the fit so its always a gamble.
For my speakers I haven't used anything with an analogue connection for well over a decade now, I just use the S/PDIF out from the motherboard into my amp and a decent pair of monitors - currently running a set of Monitor Audio Bronze 2's as I'm in a small room through a Pioneer CD/Tuner head unit.
Pretty much what i was gonna say. Been using recivers for at least 12 years meow. Have a pair of yamaha pc studio drivers from the 90s though that still work great to this day.
If the stand was in white I'd buy it for my setup in a heartbeat alone and replace the manual switcher I'm already using to go between speakers and headphones
Really loving the concept of the headphone stand piece, if they release that as a under desk piece with a additional port for mic i know a lot of people that will be 100% in on that.
that headphone stand kinda impressed me. Too bad, it would be great if they make a hanging version as there are no more space on my desk to accomodate a stand like that
Yeah, I don't understand the volume knobs (speakers and sub) at the back. Makes no sense to me at all. I gain-ride a lot, because some people can't seem to make content that all sticks to the same average sound level. And it's a lot easier with a big fat knob right next to your monitor than with an on-screen volume slider.
The system i have that works pretty well and i wished they have a refresh of this product is the Razer Tiamat 7.1 ver 2. They come with a toggle between devices and i can adjust each speaker level. I havent seen anything else like it, but id love something new and similar to that.
I have quality speakers, headphones and a microphone so I l love that the stand doesn't lock you to their eco system. It's definitely something I'm going to buy and something I have been hoping for for so long.
Here is my problems with their speakers ... For litterally $150 less you can get presonos eris 3.5 studio monitors .. They have the same size drivers but are able to reach a lower frequency then the NZXT speakers. If you are into any sort of audio production they are tuned for that out of the box but have an EQ on the back if you want to use them as PC speakers . And they sell a Sub that it less than nzxt's and is honestly probably better because they specialize in audio.. I don't really like this trend of companies that don't normally make audio gear dipping their toes in and selling it at a much higher price .. The stand is pretty neat though
I'm going through the Audio playlist for this channel, and I've been disappointed in all of the headset mics so far. This one actually blew me away, in comparison to every other headset mic on a piece of tech you guys have reviewed since this video was released.
$250 for those speakers? Absolutely not, I have a pair or PreSonus Eris E3.5's that are amazing for only $100. You can get them with an 8" subwoofer for $300.
Protip: Want audio that's studio quality? Get KRK monitor speakers. They even have a mini version with a stand that you can use to aim them down for a top shelf above your desk or aim up towards your ears from that same desk (same stand. Comes with the speakers). If it's good enough for DJs, it's probably good enough for you ;)
Okay the speed of the switching between headphone and speaker output when you mount the headphones is quite fast. I would consider getting it just for that.... IF I could combine this functionality with my professional KRK studio monitors
I just got the new Switch mix but it seems like the volume from the NZXT speaker and subwoofer speakers are much lower than they were when they were plugged directly into my PC.
honestly this whole set up shouldn't have been more than $150. the sub and the speakers are about the same as any $50 set of speaker sub combo's, and the headphones are on par with hyper x's pair of $60 headphones when it comes to sound. now the headphone stand, i honestly don't see why they are asking for that much, i get the feeling that all they want people to do is too just buy it and skip on the speakers. but its cool, i would have seen a more realistic price for the switch at around $80, but thats nzxt at their finest folks. honestly i wish they had put more effort into building these, instead of just pushing overpriced subpar speakers just to sell an overpriced cool headphone stand. hopefully the headphone stand will go on sale at some point and we can get them at a more reasonable price. color me unimpressed nzxt i expected better but i'm not surprised.
You could buy an av receiver and bookshelf speakers for those prices
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I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but sometimes the shortcircuit videos look very choppy, like the frame rates aren't consistent, but if I open another video it looks fine :/
It's super depressing that surround sound PC speakers haven't been a thing for years now... I guess the excuse is that nobody has a place for 2 rear speakers? I'm still rocking out the Logitech Z906 from 2011.
Well, they're dying too. All the electronics for the Logitech (budget surround) setups are in the sub, so once the sub starts to go and short out, the whole setup is dead.
I don't know if I'm really that impressed with these... Especially since anyone on a budget will buy into a Logitech 2.1 system... And anyone with cash to spend will go for a proper audiophile setup with amp and whatnot.
it seems like switching audio is becoming a thing. Soon, there will be an audioswitch headphone stand, which does the switching automatically also with built-in speakers
What is LTTs measurements process. I have strong doubt theyre measuring like that .... Esp since its an in room response which means theyre basically useless. They should have stuck it in their anechoic chamber.
Will the headset stand inout switching work if you're using a wireless headset from another brand, or do the headphones have to be plugged into the dac thing?
My Logitech Z623's have a similar or slightly higher RMS power for more than half the price, plus the volume and bass nobs are on the front of the speaker which is very convenient. Not sure what NZXT was doing with these, seems like many QOL features were an after thought.
While I'd love the headstand with the "instant" switch. I gotta stick with my cheap Vizio soundbar. It's good enough for when I don't want to wear headphones. I do wonder how the ear pads hold up over time. My Corsair HS70 are disintegrating day by day.
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Love how Dan isnt on this video because its sponsored and Dan would 100% say theyre not that good (especially for the price)
True!
Facts! That headset is fucking Trash!
That's insane pricing for c tier audio. Audioengine speakers that NZXT clearly ripped off are the same price and sound much better.
I knew they were clones of something and I couldn't remember the exact brand, but there we go
i clicked on this knowing it would be overpriced junk lol
gamer pricing, same goes for "gaming" keyboard LOL
a logitech g560 2.1 system is a lot more value and sounds amazing and has rgb what can sample the screen for nicer experience
Audioengine speakers are also overpriced for what they are. Micca's RB42 passive bookshelf speakers punch way above their weight class at $150 and can be powered by just about any decent ChiFi Class D or T amplifier. Pretty decent audio can be had for under $200. That subwoofer also looks horribly inadequate with that 6.5" woofer also. For $150, there are quite a few decent options that likely offer more and cleaner extension. If that were my budget, I'd go with the Dayton Audio 10" SUB-1000 all day long. Or heck, just visit your local pawn shop and see what people are getting rid of. I've found some crazy deals at pawn shops and garage sales, like a pair of Yamaha HS5 studio monitors for only $50.
The headphone stand seems like the most appealing thing to me, but at $130 US, I’ll probably just try to make my own version instead
I just have soundswitch and some macro keys set up that do pretty much the same thing, can highly recommend if you want a free alternative to the stand
@@bramcallaert7828can you share your soundswitch product name?
@@shidqi100 it's soundswitch aaflalo
Free software with keybinds, I put mine to Alt + up arrow to switch input and alt+down arrow for output switch
@@bootchoo96 I don't understand why this isn't a thing for Corsair Icue...
@@LumenateTV they don't use their own stuff lol
I'm pretty sure pc audio was solved a long time ago with USB soundcards and actual studio monitors :D
I can't even how LMG didn’t care to use Genelec speakers earlier. Everything else is just meh
@@toseltreps1101 You don't even need to go up to genelecs, a pair of T5Vs would curb stomp these for the same price. Horrible value.
@@toseltreps1101 KS Digital? Fluid Audio? There is definitely better.
Bet the PreSonus E4.5s would rock these lol
This is sponsored bullshit content. Can be ignored.
150$ 2.1 speakers for 400$, what a deal!
Nah, my Logitech z625's sound WAY better than those lol. And an eq made them better
@@Anarcho-harambeism I doubt it, no tweeter already makes it a bad speaker, my steel series artic 7 sound much better than your Logitechs tho
@raulespinoza8668 your headset does not sound better than my speakers lol. I do use steel series software in conjunction with 2 other eq software. So yes, mine are better
For the $400 of the speakers and "subwoofer", you can get a pair of Adam T5vs with similar levels of bass extension and much less distortion (probably). I don't see the value here.
Nope, way overpriced
Yes. Also I've been using a Mackie Big Knob for monitor/headphone control for years and it works really well; plus it's more aimed at amateur music creators and therefore has a lot more functionality. Doesn't look as nice though, and I do like the switchmix as a succint device for when you don't want to faff around. The button on the headphone rack is cool.
We need desktop sound options listed out, it's so hard to find the right option
Yeah pricing is horrible... Think i paid less for my pair of Genelecs (used yes but buying audio gear new never made sense to me not counting headphones due to hygene)
@@jaquestraw1 They are cheap and sound great and measure well. Not overpriced.
We need Dan for audio stuff
Also not really
Not at all, he was great and super funny, you can say i had a "blast" 😅
Dan is not allowed in sponsored audio videos 😂
He's audio setup in a ltt video. Absolutely need dan for audio videos
Anyone but this fool lol
These aren't a good deal; they are overpriced and underperformed. The 305P MkII is exponentially better, and overall a better value. It can be found on sale or used for almost half the price.
The NZXT speakers are $250/pair - I don't see the 305P MkII available for less than $150/speaker anywhere
Obviously used stuff is a better deal than new stuff
The Edifier speakers are even better value. You can get the R1280T for about $120, and the form factor makes them even better fitted for sitting on or around a desk.
@@deuswulf6193 R1280T are quite bad for the money.
Edifier MR4 is much better and if the budget is that low, I would get Creative Pebble V2/V3. Add a sub later and you're set.
Can attest to the Edifier MR4's, they're fantastic for the price
@@Tealc2323 I strongly disagree. The MR4 not only cost more, but as studio monitors they end up being more on the flat side in terms of audio. The R1280T and those in that line will provide a much richer audio experience, and for less. The wood side panels contribute to better acoustics, and it also has more than one input.
For content consumption, they are a much better option than the MR4's imo.
Ok but, studio monitors exist. Once more gaming peripherals proving to be utterly terrible value.
I mean... you get two monitors for $250 instead of paying $250 each for monitors... not only that a soundcard/interface is mandatory so that's an extra $250.. and then cables and stands .... $150 max. Gamers want something affordable that you can plug and play.
@@redvivid powered with 'regular' 3.5mm studio monitors do exist.
yeah my edifier ones are bigger and sound better and have more bass without a sub
@@redvivid you can certainly get a more decent pair with that amount of money like presonus, m-audio, or save a little more for a pair of yamaha HS5
@@redvivid edifier man, i got the s3000 pro and the result is really good paired with the wharfedale sw150 sub and 2 sonos era 100 for rear sound
Soundswitch is a free app that you can keybind the action of switching audio devices. I keybind F3 and it swaps between the set devices for playback. Also works for recording. Much better than spending a bunch of money on a compromise solution just to solve this problem.
I'm glad someone else mentioned it. Back when I needed to swap between ARC and headphones, this was my go-to. It did cause some kernel panics every now and again though...
I use it all the time to switch my output to my TV and back again when enabling Big Picture Mode on Steam.
This is such a good thing to have, thanks for the tip!
nircmd.exe also works fine to switch audio devices, paired with AutoHotkey or Python to make it a hotkey.
I also use soundswitch, however it would be super cool to have a physical switch that inputs the hokey when you place your headset on it like the device.
Those speakers are pretty expensive in comparison to lots of studio monitors from good brands. A KRK Rokit RP7 G4 are about $200 and has a 48W tweeter and a 97W woofer, for example.
And he really had the audacity (or marching orders lol) to say he was "impressed".... 🤢
exactly!!! i got 2 KRK Rokit 6 inch monitors, with stands, cables and a presonus audio box 96 for $400
why are you looking at power as a performance metric???? why not look at the horrendous subwoofer that can only extend down to 45hz and even worse, the speakers themselves that only extend to 70hz???
Love having a reviewer that knows nothing about the product category and just reads whats on the box, amazing work
Without usb, optical, and Bluetooth inputs, and only 3” drivers those speakers are seriously over priced. I have a pair a jamo powered s801s with all those features, bigger drivers, and less money. And would probably curb stomp those sound wise.
The labs results are killing it!!!🔥
I would say the opposite. The smoothing, specifically the 1/1, is straight up lying. The 1/3 is more honest, but also reveals some of the shortcomings and problem areas of these speakers. I would 2ish for an even lesser smoothing. These are not good measuring speakers. If you want to see good speakers measured go to asr(audiosciencereview) and look for some genelecs or neumanns. I get that the lab is in between no information and actual precise measurements to appeal to the average lmg user, but I feel, that working with the smoothing and not going into the problems in measurements (for example the abysmal performance in 2-4khz with the headphones) does the user not much good.
After switching to a pair of $100-150 edifier bookshelf speakers, I realized you don't need a subwoofer with those. Its enough to shake the desk they sit upon when the bass is cranked up. I bet they sound much better than NZXT's over priced Relay speakers and sub.
Same here. I’ve got the Edifier R1280DBs, and they’re perfect bookshelf speakers for my PC. A very big upgrade from the old Logitech speakers that I used to have. They sound great and they’re only $150 AUD which is just over $100 USD, so they’re also quite affordable. I also use a program called Equalizer APO with the Peace GUI to get a more balanced sound profile on them too though. BTW, with that program, you can download a configuration program for it named AutoEQ that has hundreds of speakers and headphones tuned by audiophiles like Crinicle and Oratory1991. For my ATH-M40X’s it made them sound much nicer.
same here, i’m rocking edifier speakers from mid 2000.
Don’t need a subwoofer but it definitely helps. Allows you to get more bass without shaking the desk since it won’t be on said desk, and it should dig deeper. I use a pair of Micca MB42x with a cheap 12” Monoprice sub I picked up on sale and works great. Doesn’t dig as deep as my HSU VTF-MK3s but I can actually fit the Monoprice under my desk.
exactly!!! i got 2 KRK Rokit 6 inch monitors, with stands, cables and a presonus audio box 96 for $400
Yooooo! Hats off to Adam for shouting out Big K.R.I.T.'s My Sub series. Part 3 Is definitely my favorite!! BIG BANG!!
I always use that song to test subs 😂
Definitely didn’t see that coming lol. Think the first might be my favorite.
@@kevins184 Bruh I did a double-take so fast! Like wait he just dropped My Sub Pt.3 ???
I wonder; is it possible for you guys doing short circuit unboxings, to also check the repairability (of the most commonly breaking pieces, like ear cushions, mics, cables) of the stuff you review? For me personally it's really important that I can repair my stuff, in order to use them for as long as possible and to reduce e-waste. Anf if you were to include that in your reviews, it could maybe push manifacturers to make stuff more repairable.
That would be more like a LTT video than a Short Circuit video, but I do want to see such video as well
Ear cushions however, would be the easiest as you can purchase them separately, or purchase through a 3rd-party manufacturer (check their latest under $100 tech video)
probably the LAB
@ the lab could do the testing but SC could do the mentioning, I'd love to see more pressure being put on manufacturers to make stuff repairable
@@HeyKai I get what ur saying
I think that short circuit could benefit but that sounds like review material rather than first impressions
Maybe “here’s what the product manufacturer says is reparable” in the short circuit, and then “here’s what’s actually repairable” in the ltt video
@ yeah something like that mayhaps
Kinda impressed by the mic quality compared to a lot of stuff out there. Even high end stuff often sounds like garbage
"high end stuff"? You probably mean expensive. XLR mics (xlr is the name of the connector, not a brand) connected to an external audio board are the high end
@@marcogenovesi8570 yeah this sounds like garbage compared to professional audio. "high end stuff" probably means overpriced shit
@@marcogenovesi8570 I'm pretty sure he's talking about gaming headsets with integrated microphones, not a separate mic setup.
I have a senhiser gsx 500 and if I plug it into my motherboard the mic sounds like garbage but when I use my sbz sound card the mic sound over 9000 times better
It's cause it's wired and not Bluetooth. Bluetooth is ass at sending and receiving data at the same time with good quality.
Having an easy way to switch between Headphones and Speakers is truly a gamechanger, and I would personally recommend, for those with the budget and use case, to look into JDS Labs' Element III AMPDAC, a beautiful headphone AMP & DAC with an additional PREAMP out for Speakers, and you can switch between those outputs with the click of a button, and it's your choice whether it's the all metal and insanely great-feeling big volume knob, or a button at the rear.
The device has a little OLED screen and can be programmed pretty deep to fit your hardware and preferences, and the build quality is beyond amazing.
Imagine having to buy a volume controller because NZXT moved it at the BACK of the stuff
Power supplies are almost always the first thing to go on powered speakers so actually well done to NZXT for having an external power supply, everything should have an external power supply that you can replace for $20-30 dollars because good luck trying to source and replace a proprietary internal power supply in speakers
An interesting idea I've always had but never see (the closest is the N64) is a cavity in a product which has the space to hold a removable power supply. It would be a waste of space in smaller, space constricted speakers like these though.
One oversight with the speakers though is that they are rear ported. Generally you want rear ported speaker to be 2-3 feet forward from walls for the best sound quality. Last I checked most gaming setups I see are up against walls.
Nah, there is no such rule and it doesn't matter whether the speakers are rear ported, front ported or not ported at all.
For the port to work properly it only needs as much space behind as its diameter.
The effect of putting pretty much any speakers against the wall is very simple - it boosts the bass.
@@n0xtshoving a rear ported speaker does increase the bass but it muddies it and generally decreases sound quality and messes with the frequency response. quit spouting uninformed nonsense
@@xScurn What specifically do you disagree with?
@@n0xt "it doesn't matter whether the speakers are rear ported, front ported or not ported at all." is complete nonsense. of course it matters otherwise it wouldnt be a practice at all. shoving a rear ported speaker up against the wall muddies the bass and 'increases' it by distorting the signature.
"For the port to work properly it only needs as much space behind as its diameter. " this is also completely false and i genuinely cant even fathom what hole of yours you pulled this out from
@@xScurn Presence of a port or its location doesn't change the dispersion pattern of the speaker. It will be omnidirectional in the low frequencies for the vast majority of speakers out there. Thus the effects attributable to the distance from the back wall are the same regardless of the port.
Regarding the minimum distance from the back wall: you can check the recommendations from manufacturers that take their engineering and customers seriously, such as Genelec or Dynaudio.
Keep in mind that "minimal distance from the back wall to assure that the port is working properly" is not the same as "optimal distance from the back wall to achieve the best sound". The latter will depend on the speaker, the room and whether you use equalization.
I paid the price of just the subwoofer for my Teufel Concept E Magnum back somewhere around 2003-2005ish, which is a full 5.1 setup that still rocks today. I wish there was a similar audio solution these days for a similar price. _THAT_ would fix PC audio. Not having to pay thrice as much for way less.
Ooooh I remember that Teufel system. I had the Concept E Magnum as well. The price/performance was amazing. Good times.
I stll have the creative from 2004 because the logitech z906 is the only option that i saw was really for PC; it cost here around $700 US or more 😅
@@FhargaZ Still got a Creative/Cambridge Soundworks FPS1600 4.1 around as well. Was my first surround setup that I got in 1998 with my SB Live! Value. That really was a big game changer back in the day. The last time I actually used it (like 5-6 years ago by now) it still worked perfectly fine as well. That thing was like 69 bucks (nice!) or so... imagine getting actual surround audio for that these days... uncredible (=unbelievably incredible, in case you might wonder)! XD
ok is pretty impressive how fast the switching stand is & that's probably the one component i would want to buy
5:22 i think smaller sub might actually be better if these speakers are intended to be used in like teenagers bedroom that is relatively small because that small room will most likely cause an increase in bass anyway so there is no need for huge sub. also putting the sub near wall will also boost bass and i assume most people will put this sub near wall.
even the reviewer couldn't fake enjoyment. if you guys are in need of these products, you can get better quality and price to performance. with peace and love
exactly!!! i got 2 KRK Rokit 6 inch monitors, with stands, cables and a presonus audio box 96 for $400
Until I heard the price, I was nearly convinced to buy and try the speakers and the subwoofer (why are they even sold separately?!). But for 400$? Are they crazy?! I paid for my Logitech Z623 90€ (~100$) and I have these since 2014 and I bet the NZXT aren't that much better to justify the price.
This would be more interesting if they also included a multi-input (the 3.5mm-based mini-TOS makes the most sense here, as you get copper and optical in one port, plus a bluetooth input would be nice) mixer, that way it's not just a PC setup but also handles other consoles, set-top boxes (or TV sticks via audio-out), or even a secondary PC/laptop, etc.
Klipsch's 2.1 system was my first 'good' PC speaker setup. Hard to imagine that these are that much better for $300 more.
The way I handle multiple outputs is a macro keyboard (Redragon K585) and a free software (Audioswitch) and the hotkeys are like alt+ctrl+shift+[F-key], which will be mapped to the macro keyboard. As for why multiple outputs, headphones for surround sound gaming, speakers for comfortable/movie and IEM for accurate sounds.
I love that you use Big K.R.I.T. for a sound test! One of my favorites
The Krit shoutout really won me over
For 80$ can get the z407 Logitech 2.1 stereo set up.. it's honestly goated..
Scarlet 2i2 has already given me the main functionality of this, but the surround sound support is interesting since scarlet doesn’t support it.
The whole rig is $630 US. If you already have a decent headset, you might as well just get some studio monitors and a pro boom mic for a lot less money.
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aaaaaannnnnnddddd added to my sound system playlist. Thank you for the rec ❤
For the price of the speakers and sub, you could get some higher quality powered monitors and a sub from various other speaker manufacturers that would outperform these. I like NZXT, but I don't think their name/brand is worth a $200 premium for the speakers and sub.
I use the klipsch 2.1 computer speakers. Cost $130-150 and my sister uses the Logitech equivalent with optical-in for same price. Both these are just as good, if not better than the NZXT stuff, plus both have their volume control and bass adjustments in the front. And no power brick
I've had Logitech 2.1s for like 15 years (they were like $70 back then), and they still sound great during near-field listening (e.g., while sitting at my desk, staring at my desktop monitor).
I need that stand. seriously that'll be a game changer for any desk setups.
use 1/12 smoothing for future frequency responses of speakers, headphones etc.
Exactly the channel I was looking to review this! You don't miss a beat!
I have the Creative T60's(£70 right now), which have a headphone jack on the back, and a button that swaps between the 2. The speakers connect via USB, so it's plugged into a USB hub that I can swap between my work and personal PCs to allow me to use the same audio equipment on both without faff. This seems to be solving a problem that hasn't existed for a long time... Stand seems cool though.
That microphone sounds surprisingly good for a boom mic. It's not amazing, but rather than being "okay for a boom mic" it's "an okay mic", very good result for a piece that most manufacturers consider a throw away.
the headphone stand with the button is amazing, need to get that
dont be duped, this is no real solution via the price it costs.. everything here is around $750, you can put together a great system for that price
I have 2 JBL Professional LS305 Near Field Monitor speakers on stands on either side of the desk running through XLR into a Scarlet 2i2. Then for headphones, everything goes through my GoXLR mini. I use my StreamDeck XL to trigger switching audio sources from Bar Raider tools and it allows me to easily swap between without having to dink around with a headphone stand and button. All in all, probably a similar cost to the full kit there but much better audio quality and sound. To each their own I reckon.
I hope that in the future you guys could let some of your colleagues try them out for their quick short opinions on the fit and comfort as well. Especially those with larger or smaller heads or more oval or squarish faces, e.t.c. I am sure you guys can't cover every possible head shape and size but a larger number of data from different users would help everyone to better judge if it might be discomforting for them or not.
There have been quite a few headsets and headphones that my friends and I bought online because of all the good reviews and critiques only to be unable to use them due to the discomfort or even pain from using them. A lot of the headphones like for example the Virtuoso and Drop headsets are not in any local stores here and can't be tried and tested for the fit so its always a gamble.
For my speakers I haven't used anything with an analogue connection for well over a decade now, I just use the S/PDIF out from the motherboard into my amp and a decent pair of monitors - currently running a set of Monitor Audio Bronze 2's as I'm in a small room through a Pioneer CD/Tuner head unit.
Pretty much what i was gonna say. Been using recivers for at least 12 years meow. Have a pair of yamaha pc studio drivers from the 90s though that still work great to this day.
i'm not a sound talking guy but isn't a lack of grills "good" because nothing is blocking the audio out? or does it depend or not matter?
The headset stand is neat for switching sources like that. I wonder if that has been done already.
If the stand was in white I'd buy it for my setup in a heartbeat alone and replace the manual switcher I'm already using to go between speakers and headphones
When how loud the speakers are = how good they are 😂
Really loving the concept of the headphone stand piece, if they release that as a under desk piece with a additional port for mic i know a lot of people that will be 100% in on that.
that headphone stand kinda impressed me. Too bad, it would be great if they make a hanging version as there are no more space on my desk to accomodate a stand like that
steelseries old wireless headphones lineup had that feature that passes audio to your speakers when you turn off your headphones
The headphone flipper thing is pretty cool actually.
Sometimes people pay attention to graphics too much and underdo sound.
The volume wheel would have been better placed on the front with power switch. And the AC power without ground could lead to noise :/
Yeah, I don't understand the volume knobs (speakers and sub) at the back. Makes no sense to me at all. I gain-ride a lot, because some people can't seem to make content that all sticks to the same average sound level. And it's a lot easier with a big fat knob right next to your monitor than with an on-screen volume slider.
The system i have that works pretty well and i wished they have a refresh of this product is the Razer Tiamat 7.1 ver 2. They come with a toggle between devices and i can adjust each speaker level. I havent seen anything else like it, but id love something new and similar to that.
I'm still rocking the Linus-approved Corsair SP2500s I got 12 years ago, and they're still going strong
That headphone stand needs to go on sale, I think if it was $80-100 it would be a much better value
There is no way they could not have put the Bluetooth and decent bat in there and sold those for like 20 bucks more. that mic sounded amazing tho
I have quality speakers, headphones and a microphone so I l love that the stand doesn't lock you to their eco system. It's definitely something I'm going to buy and something I have been hoping for for so long.
The Switchmix modified to fit under the desk would sweet for my setup.
Here is my problems with their speakers ... For litterally $150 less you can get presonos eris 3.5 studio monitors .. They have the same size drivers but are able to reach a lower frequency then the NZXT speakers. If you are into any sort of audio production they are tuned for that out of the box but have an EQ on the back if you want to use them as PC speakers . And they sell a Sub that it less than nzxt's and is honestly probably better because they specialize in audio.. I don't really like this trend of companies that don't normally make audio gear dipping their toes in and selling it at a much higher price .. The stand is pretty neat though
Well my Panasonic SC-PMX5 for around $80 with a partly-selfmade sub for around $150 Sounds way better I think.
some of these headset mics are getting surprisingly good
A Big K.R.I.T. reference is how you break into the top 3 favorite hosts
I'm going through the Audio playlist for this channel, and I've been disappointed in all of the headset mics so far. This one actually blew me away, in comparison to every other headset mic on a piece of tech you guys have reviewed since this video was released.
$250 for those speakers? Absolutely not, I have a pair or PreSonus Eris E3.5's that are amazing for only $100. You can get them with an 8" subwoofer for $300.
Cheers for that Big Krit shout. TWO FIFTEEENS!!!
Protip:
Want audio that's studio quality? Get KRK monitor speakers. They even have a mini version with a stand that you can use to aim them down for a top shelf above your desk or aim up towards your ears from that same desk (same stand. Comes with the speakers). If it's good enough for DJs, it's probably good enough for you ;)
Okay the speed of the switching between headphone and speaker output when you mount the headphones is quite fast. I would consider getting it just for that.... IF I could combine this functionality with my professional KRK studio monitors
SteelSeries Arena does all of these things but let’s you use any headphones and any microphone you want and has Bluetooth passthrough
I just got the new Switch mix but it seems like the volume from the NZXT speaker and subwoofer speakers are much lower than they were when they were plugged directly into my PC.
honestly this whole set up shouldn't have been more than $150. the sub and the speakers are about the same as any $50 set of speaker sub combo's, and the headphones are on par with hyper x's pair of $60 headphones when it comes to sound. now the headphone stand, i honestly don't see why they are asking for that much, i get the feeling that all they want people to do is too just buy it and skip on the speakers. but its cool, i would have seen a more realistic price for the switch at around $80, but thats nzxt at their finest folks. honestly i wish they had put more effort into building these, instead of just pushing overpriced subpar speakers just to sell an overpriced cool headphone stand. hopefully the headphone stand will go on sale at some point and we can get them at a more reasonable price. color me unimpressed nzxt i expected better but i'm not surprised.
I can seamlessly switch between my headphones and speakers by clicking the speaker icon in the system tray and choosing one or the other.
i actually impressed about switchmix , that was neat when switching from speaker to headphone .
Switch stand is actually such a cool product
Wow i'm very impressed with the boom mic. Really good!
You could buy an av receiver and bookshelf speakers for those prices
I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but sometimes the shortcircuit videos look very choppy, like the frame rates aren't consistent, but if I open another video it looks fine :/
Get a set of pioneer sp bs22-lr speakers and a fosi Amp, entry level audio for less than 100 and a great sounding setup
for the price of this tat you could actually buy some studio grade powered monitors
exactly!!! i got 2 KRK Rokit 6 inch monitors, with stands, cables and a presonus audio box 96 for $400
@ Good buy! Kudos
@@J-D-P ty king I’ve had them for years like around 2015-16
For the price of the speakers I think you'd be better off getting some bookshelf speakers and a small 2 channel desk amp.
It's super depressing that surround sound PC speakers haven't been a thing for years now... I guess the excuse is that nobody has a place for 2 rear speakers? I'm still rocking out the Logitech Z906 from 2011.
Also some motherboards don't have all the ports for 5.1 audio
Except HDMI
Well, they're dying too. All the electronics for the Logitech (budget surround) setups are in the sub, so once the sub starts to go and short out, the whole setup is dead.
I don't know if I'm really that impressed with these... Especially since anyone on a budget will buy into a Logitech 2.1 system... And anyone with cash to spend will go for a proper audiophile setup with amp and whatnot.
The stand wins it for me. Never seen something like that with the button system 👍
it seems like switching audio is becoming a thing. Soon, there will be an audioswitch headphone stand, which does the switching automatically also with built-in speakers
What is LTTs measurements process. I have strong doubt theyre measuring like that .... Esp since its an in room response which means theyre basically useless. They should have stuck it in their anechoic chamber.
Can the stand be used without a PC? That will be great to connect with monitor audio out so all input can benefit from this auto audio out switching
Will the headset stand inout switching work if you're using a wireless headset from another brand, or do the headphones have to be plugged into the dac thing?
Just get edifier MR4 if you want an entry level speaker monitor. It much better
Big Krit huh, a man of taste I see. Idk why that's surprising to me.
Was interested when I thought the pricing was around $300 for everything. This is priced so high. Wow
My Logitech Z623's have a similar or slightly higher RMS power for more than half the price, plus the volume and bass nobs are on the front of the speaker which is very convenient. Not sure what NZXT was doing with these, seems like many QOL features were an after thought.
While I'd love the headstand with the "instant" switch. I gotta stick with my cheap Vizio soundbar. It's good enough for when I don't want to wear headphones. I do wonder how the ear pads hold up over time. My Corsair HS70 are disintegrating day by day.
Can't believe you guys took this sponsor, really subpar products at an unreasonable price.
WHY WAS I LOOKING UP A REVIEW FOR THIS LIKE AN HOUR AGO, Y’ALL ARE READING MY MIND
Same price for the speakers as iLoud micro. Does it sound better? I would be surprised.
That stand is great but 140 buck nah if it was for 50 and under it would be a pretty cool niche addition to a setup