My dad was the pace car driver at Hickory from the mid 90's to the early 00's. They nicknamed him "Elmo" after the Cup pace car driver at the time and former driver Elmo Langley. Riding with him in the pace car was an absolute BLAST. On the initial starts daddy would bring the field slowly to the restart line and the yank the pace car down onto pit road. On any restarts hed pace them until the end of the back stretch and then tromp on the gas and take off from them making the tires squeal as he turned onto pit road. Those are some of my favorite memories of my dad growing up. I hope before I get too old, I can replicate those same moves pacing the field at Hickory.
you can lead every single lap of every single race all season long, and blow an engine while leading on the last lap at the last race of the year and not be champion. that is ridiculous
@@derekbrummett9239 No matter how unlikely it is, the simple fact that it is possible is fucking stupid. For a more realistic example, Driver A can win 8-10 races all throughout the year, get 25-30 top 5s and top 10s and absolutely dominate all season and make the Final Four with ease having been competing for wins every week. Driver B can barely make it in with 1 win, win a race in each round whether through skill or blind luck and make it into the Final Four as well. If Driver B finishes that final race in front of Driver A, whether they simply out race them or Driver A has a mechanical problem and DNFs, Driver B is champion simply because the final race makes everything else irrelevant. The only purpose the rest of the season serve is to determine who gets into the final four. Please explain to me how anyone thinks that's ok in a racing sport.
@@imapopo2924 go to any local racetrack and ask them to pay out their season long point fund based off of NASCAR's format and see what the promoter says!
OR...in the old system, a driver can dominate all year, wrapping up the championship with 3-4 races to go. Fans don't attend those races and TV ratings plummet. TV, radio, and internet personalities don't have much to talk about. Millions in revenue are lost. The series is boring again, but blindracer123 loves it (unless, of course, his driver didn't win, in which case, he probably hates that too!) Listen, people love to complain, and I think that fans are upset because most of 'em just don't like Logano.
@@guest6423 wrapping it up by 3-4 races until the end is rare. and if they do, then they dominated all year and deserve it. id rather that happen every once in awhile than have an undeserving champion every now and then with this system. when you look back at the season champions, years down the road, hoping to get a feel for who dominated what years, looking at this era will be pointless. at least the old way would reflect that accurately
@@johnhaas2523Indycar just had NBC and FOX in a bidding war for their next TV contact and Formula 1 is slowly taking over the American Motorsports space. Meanwhile NASCAR has had social media influencers pointing out all their flaws for years now. It's not looking good for NASCAR.
@johnhaas2523 NASCAR got super popular before the chase. Then they had the one season with Matt Kenseth getting the championship and panicked. They made things worse through several changes including the playoff setup. Formula 1 and Motogp doesn't use gimmicks and they have record viewership and attendance. NASCAR should prioritize the racing. The championship doesn't need anything special.
I definitely think the final race should rotate between the non-drafting tracks. As for rest of the playoffs, how about keeping win and your in but, stopping winners advancing directly into the 4. Podcaster Eric Estepp also had an interesting format idea. I would keep his round structure of 1-3-3-3 except I might consider trimming the regular season to 25 races and making it 2-3-3-3 with locks into the round of 12 for the top 5 playoff eligible drivers.
Hey fun fact, my uncle was in the studio with Steppenwolf and it was his drumsticks to record demos, including Magic Carpet Ride. I remember when it was added to ‘03, lost my mind ❤️
The playoff system is a great way to make the fanbase go into the offseason with a negative feeling. Keep doing that & they will eventually stop caring.
I listen to the several shows here on dirtymo but I haven’t watched a race all year. I enjoy listening to these discussions while driving or whatever but all this racing K.Wallace and the various folks here on dirtymo say is so good doesn’t look like racing to me. I have watched xfinity segments and the highlight reels a bunch of times. 5:59 logano was eliminated from the playoffs, then wins the championship. Umm. NO!! I hate this make-believe fake ‘playoffs’ anyway. But he was gifted an opportunity by nascar’s rubber rules instead of sticking to the plan. I just can’t swallow it, intellectually, and the racing show is lackluster. Close racing doesn’t make a race anymore than a 8mph go kart “race” is at a beach vacation destination town
Winston cup points. No stages. Half way money no caution. Less road course racing. Qualify to make the race. These are things that should have been left alone.
@@Vixen13k If they want to play for stages maybe but stages with no cautions seems maybe ok. But do olympic runners win races? Or stages? Stages are Stupid
@19:03 I wish TV would get more cinematic with their Cameras. Back in the day they had low over track camera suspended in the air, wide angles cameras, Camera that would hang over the inside wall in the turns, Cameras in the stands, Cameras that were in the track and the walls and all of that made the experience on tv much more surreal. If they could bring back a few of those and up the broadcast quality of every race to the bare minimum 1080p HD ratings would go up. There is no reason the Coke 600 is being broadcasted and streamed in 720p. Every race should be in 4k , especially in the streaming world, I hate watching extremely zoomed in blurry shots of the cars left front tire. I will give credit where its do, I enjoy the new inside of the car cameras where we can see the drivers face more. you can see their focus and determination makes you see the human element of these mad men. This was by far the best season of racing in so long and I just wish it was broadcasted better so we can bring in more fans. You want sponsors to spend the money and stay, they need the exposure, let their brand be shown in the best, most badass cinematic way possible.
Bobby Allison was awesome. I can remember when he came to a small track on Vancouver Island in Campbell River, British Columbia and he was signing hats and stuff, I still have the hat from him that day. I can’t remember when it was. It’s been a while, but yeah, he was a cool guy. The track was called Saratoga Speedway.
What happened to just winning the most races and whoever gets the most points at the end of the season wins the title like Formula 1 and every other form of motorsport...
Metallica's Fuel has to be on this game! The scary thing about Joey is that he is only 34. If they keep the championship at Phoenix, he could be your next 7 time champ
I remember in years past when the drivers all raced like it was a regular race until there was like 50 laps to go to the end of the race. Then came the unspoken working of those who weren't in contention for a win to get out of the way of a Championship driver in a place in the lap so that it didn't cost them more than that current position yet allowed the Championship contender to proceed on up the ladder except for handing them the race win. It was what we knew then as being a good sportsman, of utilizing good sportsmanship. With the current philosophy in the sport there is almost no good sportsmanship.
I have some ideas for songs that can be used for the iRacing game: - "Flirtin with Disaster" by Molly Hatchet - "Fuel" by Metallica - "Wheel in the Sky" by Journey - "My Way" by Limp Bizkit - "The Broken" by Fireball Ministry - "Symphony of Destruction (Steve Tushar Remix)" by Megadeth - "Rollin' (Air Raid Vehicle)" by Limp Bizkit - "Magic Carpet Ride" by Steppenwolf
It would be awesome if the NASCAR 25 soundtrack included a "best of" from past nascar games Lynyrd Skynyrd - Sweet Home Alabama Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride Powerman 5000 - Action Saliva - Survival of the Sickest Black Crowes - Go Faster Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane Airbourne - Too Much, Too Young, Too Fast Just some off memory that stick out from the EA games
Full 👏 season 👏 points 👏format! 👏 We've been saying this since 2003. We do not need a playoff format. We never needed a playoff format. And we STILL don't today. *Why is that so difficult to understand!?*
@@LawsonSims44all you people keep saying this and you guys are horrible fans for saying things like that. That was their golden era you should strive to get it back to that golden era. There's a reason Nascar is a shadow of it's former self and shame on you for encouraging such self destruction!
It's been 20 years since the Winston Cup format was replaced It's time to move on Because every single industry partner said so But if you want to be old school You're going to have to stop watching and giving a s*** about NASCAR permanently
The Xfinity series has had a better racing product than Cup for AT LEAST 2 years. I believe the Cup car would be much better if they narrow the tires and/or more HP.
At this point NASCAR needs to can the Gen 7 by 2027 and bring a more traditional, stock car for Gen 8...I don't think any changes will hold longterm solutions besides scrapping it and bringing an improved Xfinity car to Cup.
Turning on 03’, 04’ nascar thunder and the lightning shooting down on the car while it changes schemes with “Magic Carpet Ride in the background! 05’ , 07’ , 08’ & 09’ also had good tracks !
@@augustusappling139don't matter you don't let a guy who was eliminated back into the field and then go on to win a championship. It makes the championship have no merit
Nascar could have looked at the video Bowmans car 2 ft off the ground parts flying off called it an incident related situation no penalty no one would have argued. Penske thumbs on the scale.. it looks sketchy as hell to me.
@@Oz_Darkr1d3r he wasnt eliminated. Bowman failed post race inspection and the next car was in. Dirty Johnny told me a saying his uncle Terry told him you dont count your chickens till they hatch
Define perfect. I would say that a format that rewards the best driver over the span of an entire season would be preferable. Maybe no perfect... but preferable. With the old Winston Cup style that's what you had. In F1 and Indycar, that's what you have...
Respectfully IMHO, NASCAR tried to turn itself into the NFL. 7 wild card teams have won the SB. As a Penske fan I'm happy with the result. This channel and podcast are SO cool, thank you!
While I was watching the final race and this idea came to me. Since stage points mean nothing, so how about just for the last race to have no stage breaks ... that'll really stir up strategies..
And the latter are sadly who NASCAR are trying to attract...they want the loud fat trashy kinda people who eat up Jerry Springer/Maury show kinda BS and not a fine, pure race.
Hear me out… im not sure the old style winston points would be good for what nascars trying to do eventhough us purist would like it.. the argument is why should it come down to one race, one style of track, that may favor certain teams or drivers… what i purpose is still do the playoff format but instead of one race, when it gets down to the last 4 races make that the race for the championship. Have a road course, short track, superspeedway, and a mile 1/2 in the final round for all the marbles between the last 4 or 5 drivers standing that way ALL track type and driving skills are taken into consideration for who the champion is! And only reason i say 5 drivers is to give the regular season champ the automatic bid to that championship last 4 races, running great and being the best all year warrants a huge prize and that should be in… what yall think?
Need to call you out Dale on the playoffs comment. There are 6 NFL wild card teams per season, 3 per division for the last 46 years which equals 276 wildcard teams. Only 6 of 276 have won the super bowl or 2.17%. NASCAR has had the current playoff system and arguably there are about 5 of 9 "wild card" drivers who won or 55.5%. That is a clear indictment of the NASCAR playoff system.
So all the conversation is about whether or not the championship is legitimate. Two teams are suing NASCAR, one is owned by Michael Jordan. They may change the format again. NASCAR executives are saying they’re pissed at the OEMs that they depend on. Another team just shut down. There’s plenty more. I mean, if you look around these could all be signs that the ship is sinking. NASCAR could actually be coming to an end. NASCAR wants drama so badly, ironically the biggest drama may be watching it die.
Agreed. Add to it long time sponsors leaving & no significant new ones joining, & young racers getting a seat based on the size of the bag they bring with them.
Flip the stages make the last stage the shortest to take away gas mileage racing. Maybe last stage caution be non-competitive. Equalize gas and tires..
one rule they could make is that if you are not in the playoffs you are not allowed to talk about playoff drivers points position on the radio (because it is none of their business). I know that wouldn't fully stop it but it could prevent major manipulation like what we saw at martinsville and give NASCAR an easy right to penalize if that is discussed on the radio
That is going to be nothing similar to the Winston Because none of the industry partners are going to support such a thing And fans don't even get to suggest of different format NASCAR only listens to the industry partners
@@johnhaas2523 Quit acting like you know anything kid. It's as simple as this, no fans no sport. Sponsors won't invest in something if nobody is there to consume their advertisement. Learn economics.
Flirtin With Diaster- Molly Hatchet (NASCAR ‘98) Just the entire NASCAR ‘04 Soundtrack Diary of Jane- Breaking Benjamin (NASCAR ‘07) If anyone of those songs are on NASCAR ‘25, I’ll be happy. Wait, what if they did like a “Legacy” type of thing where they just have a section of the game dedicated to the history of theme songs from prior NASCAR games? That would probably be too tall of task tho.
Been a huge fan of NASCAR...grew up watch your Dad race and will always be an Earnhardt family fan! I have wondered in recent years why the final championship race is in Phoenix (and before that Homestead). I understand that Arizona in November guarantees incredible weather, but it seems like the final race for the Cup should be held at tracks like Daytona, Charlotte, Talladega, Darlington. From a fan point of view, the final race for the Cup should be a lot harder. The Daytona 500, Coke 600 and Southern 500 are hard races that would measure up to a Cup Championship level race.
I agree with you Dale, parking the drivers sends a message to the sponsors and manufacturers more that owner/driver points and crew chief and sponsor suspensions
Homestead was a great option for a final race. Multiple grooves, large track, great atmosphere and starting in Florida and finishing in Florida was like going full circle.
NASCAR 98 my friend and I would race split screen at Sears Point with Flirtin With Disaster on repeat. I hadn't thought about that for years. Thanks for reminding me!
Just an idea for new playoff layout….points until you get to the last 4 races. Whoever has the most points gets the Regular Season Championship. The top 32 cars in points qualify for a 32 spot bracket. Then it’s like an NCAA bracket, 1 v 32, 2 v 31, etc etc. Whoever has a higher finish in the matchup on the first week moves to the Sweet 16. Then elite 8. And then just do a Final 4 for the last race, whoever finishes better wins the Playoff Championship. There could be upsets, or the #1 seed could win it all.
My favorites are the bull rings because if the Modified ranks which I consider to be more of a show excitement wise mainly because I worked on them even mounted Goodyear tires for them till Hoosier came in. Because of the way NASCAR has gone I'm close to getting FLO racing as they cover more racing and I would say more in entertaining. I'm a big fan of Jrs. podcast and will never not watch it because his insight counts along with his chat on the past race and of course racing history!
I'll share a couple thoughts about what drove me away from watching NASCAR. I mostly watched on TV. I'll leave the fake debris yellows off the list, assuming that has been resolved and may not directly influence tv watching based on format. 1. Scheduling. If a race was on the east coast, it would ALWAYS start at 1pm in the 90s. I enjoyed that. Suddenly one year the race was all over the map with start times and it was annoying. 2. Shorten the races. If an event goes on for four hours, I lose stamina. Races should never exceed three hours, and many times should be shorter. 3. Commercials. I haven't seen a race outside of "extended highlights" on youtube in a long long time. Last time I tried watching live, the frequency of the commercials was unbearable. -signed an old fan from the 90s who lost interest in the mid 2000s.
Fake debris cautions havent happened since 2017 really, stages replaced those And about point 2, i dont know how any fan would want LESS of something hes a fan of. Imagine football fans saying "reduce the games to 3 quarters, my attention span isnt long enough" If you dont have the attention span for 3hr races you can always walk away and come back for the finish, but most race fans actually like to spend their whole sunday watching the race. I agree about commercials and 1pm start times though (except for night races ofc)
I hate the playoff comparison to stick and ball sports. NASCAR has nothing in common with football, baseball, basketball, etc. In NASCAR, you race eagainst every single team with every single race vs a 1v1. Every week, drivers compete on a track that races differently than any other track vs playing on the same field/court regardless of location. There is an infinte amount of possibilities that can ruin the race of an innocent driver every week. Why are we comparing an orange to a bunch of apples? Compare the orange to other oranges (F1, Indycar, V8 supercars, IMSA, etc).
I don't want drama. I want reality and finishes to matter. Not every year is 1992 Atlanta, nor should it be. I hate the chase, I hate stages even more. Get rid of the crash clock, get rid of charters, have 43 qualify on speed. Race back to the line, none of these lets crash the field 3x after the official distance of the race at Talladega. Pretty much every change since 2004 and especially 2017 has ruined the sport. "Playoffs" are stupid, this isn't a game, you don't "play" racing. In the current format a guy can win 35 races and still not be champion? That's dumb. If a guy wins 12 races and has 30 top 5s and wraps up the championship with 2 or 3 races to go they have earned it. It's disgusting to call a guy like Blaney champion for 2023 with 13 top 5s for the entire year. That would barely get you a top 10 in the Winston Cup standings.
Harvick won 9 races in 2020 didn't make it, that was a Jeff Gordon 1998 season, but since it's not 1998 he lost, NASCAR in 2024 would find a way where 1998 peak Gordon loses the title!
Soundtrack must haves: Three tracks from White Cowbell Oklahoma's Cencerro Blanco album: San Antone Monster Railroad Southern Grace Awesome, rockin' album.
Phoenix needs to be reconfigured where people are driving thru the INFIELD!!! Can't go below the yellow line at Daytona or Talladega but you can drive 40ft off the track at Phoenix 🤬
@@johnhaas2523 It was a racing series until about 2004 when they started to talk CoT and new playoffs.... "for the entertainent" and restrictor plates..... that's when it became about entertainment... and the way society is going..... that's how its going to be... the circus.. Stage breaks because of less practice and lower attention spans in humans... i could go on. disappointing but hey- homestead had a great race..
I wish they would get rid of the cautions that come with it. Imagine, instead of having everyone dividing the stage in half, some might go longer to have a better chance at winning at the end while some might short pit to get ahead at X lap to get some stage points but might jeopardize the runs at the end. It was getting there at road courses but i think it would be way better on ovals
Phoenix has run its course. It was done after year 1 of the reconfiguration. We have a track that’s complete chaos with the cutting of the dogleg, they’re 4 & 5-wide & try to make the corner that’s flat so you could completely miss the corner, slide up, and wipe out the cars to your outside & possibly involve the cars behind you. If we’re gonna do Phoenix as the Championship race, you might as well just have it at Atlanta or one of the other Superspeedways. Restarts look like the last lap of a Superspeedway anyways. Phoenix is a joke.
As european I'd like to watch a Nascar race now and then. But I don't understand the format. It's so confusing single race wise and championship wise. Just impossible to look through it as a casual. No idea what's going on.
Take the Stage Cautions out of the final race(s) when they don't mean anything. Let them decide when to pit to give it some extra excitement in the final race(s). It'll feel like the old days for a race or three.
Commenting from the other side of the pond, we love road courses. How do you grow the sport? look at the viewership from outside of the USA. They love them too yes? It seems like a no brainier to continue the mix. If you want to grow your sport you cant rely on ovals solely. Some of the best races this year were road courses . Drivers need to be all rounders! love the download and thanks for the content!
When I play NASCAR heat 5 I don't use the chase system at all, I race old-school points system. Hey Dale, have you thought of interviewing Mark Hallaway( Undertaker)?
I tried that! Season long points with stages made for a good championship, I played as Chase Elliott and ended up losing in later stages of the season to Kyle Busch...he was more consistent when it mattered.
How do you think everyone would respond if the car itself was suspended when this type of manipulation occurs? This would make the Driver, Team, and Owner think more deeply about their actions since they would all be affected financially, plus the Manufacturer and other sponsors would be affected. Manufacturers shouldn't have that much influence on the teams to dictate team actions. Teams shouldn't feel pressured to help each other, even if they are the same manufacturer. In a similar way, Imagine if Coca-Cola pulled the same stunt and heavily influenced drivers/teams to help the other Coca-Cola sponsored drivers... that would be just as ridiculous in the same way.
39:39 This is a massive problem. Nascar has no forsight. Spin gate was what, 2013? How in the world wasn't there defined rules with massive penalties & fines already in place for this level of race manipulation!? Already had manufacturer deals for years at plate tracks. It was no question if, but when a martinsville level event happened
I think the best compromise would be. Offer more bonus points for winning during the regular season but not win and you're in. Once the playoffs start, don't reset the points after each round. Just remove the people from the cut line and carry the points forward. While I don't like a one race winner take all I do think it keeps the last race of the year more interesting. So I'd compromise and say keep that. I'd be fine if any one of the 4 drivers that performed the best during the playoffs winning.
Who's to say it was under weight considering it past pre race inspection. Something fell off the car when he hit the turtles and that's what changed to the weight And that could have been a ballast and That's a penalty right there if it is seen
Yes Jr, Atlanta is the best track. Gotta tell the Prime TV guys to pan out so we can see more of the action on our great big TV’s and get the sense of speed. More drone shots too. I don’t want to be able to read the A-Post decals on the leaders car all day. The TV broadcast at Phoenix changed cameras six times per lap in qualifying alone killing the sense of speed. Need to fix this.
TJ can not let go of the last Talladega race where Larson was behind Keselowski and Larson lifted so he wouldn't push Brad to the win. He has been harping on every week since it happened
We had a sample size of 36 races, it wasn’t joeys fault that Alex Bowman was dq’d. I’m good with the format. It makes the teams dig even deeper with only 4 guys in the winner take all final.
I like the idea of keeping the win and your in for the regular season and set the playoff field the way we do now (except add a top 25 rule) but remove elimination rounds and run 10 races like we use to. Merge the wild card chase with the current format.
![Blox Fruits Dragon Rework Update [Full Stream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EqDAp8udhm0/mqdefault.jpg)
My dad was the pace car driver at Hickory from the mid 90's to the early 00's. They nicknamed him "Elmo" after the Cup pace car driver at the time and former driver Elmo Langley. Riding with him in the pace car was an absolute BLAST. On the initial starts daddy would bring the field slowly to the restart line and the yank the pace car down onto pit road. On any restarts hed pace them until the end of the back stretch and then tromp on the gas and take off from them making the tires squeal as he turned onto pit road. Those are some of my favorite memories of my dad growing up. I hope before I get too old, I can replicate those same moves pacing the field at Hickory.
you can lead every single lap of every single race all season long, and blow an engine while leading on the last lap at the last race of the year and not be champion. that is ridiculous
Let us know when that actually happens...
@@derekbrummett9239 No matter how unlikely it is, the simple fact that it is possible is fucking stupid.
For a more realistic example, Driver A can win 8-10 races all throughout the year, get 25-30 top 5s and top 10s and absolutely dominate all season and make the Final Four with ease having been competing for wins every week.
Driver B can barely make it in with 1 win, win a race in each round whether through skill or blind luck and make it into the Final Four as well.
If Driver B finishes that final race in front of Driver A, whether they simply out race them or Driver A has a mechanical problem and DNFs, Driver B is champion simply because the final race makes everything else irrelevant. The only purpose the rest of the season serve is to determine who gets into the final four.
Please explain to me how anyone thinks that's ok in a racing sport.
@@imapopo2924 go to any local racetrack and ask them to pay out their season long point fund based off of NASCAR's format and see what the promoter says!
OR...in the old system, a driver can dominate all year, wrapping up the championship with 3-4 races to go. Fans don't attend those races and TV ratings plummet. TV, radio, and internet personalities don't have much to talk about. Millions in revenue are lost. The series is boring again, but blindracer123 loves it (unless, of course, his driver didn't win, in which case, he probably hates that too!) Listen, people love to complain, and I think that fans are upset because most of 'em just don't like Logano.
@@guest6423 wrapping it up by 3-4 races until the end is rare. and if they do, then they dominated all year and deserve it. id rather that happen every once in awhile than have an undeserving champion every now and then with this system. when you look back at the season champions, years down the road, hoping to get a feel for who dominated what years, looking at this era will be pointless. at least the old way would reflect that accurately
All other race series don't seem to have a problem going with the straight forward points system. Playoffs is for ball sports.
NASCAR is in the entertainment business How do you think they make the money they do from the TV networks?
@@johnhaas2523Indycar just had NBC and FOX in a bidding war for their next TV contact and Formula 1 is slowly taking over the American Motorsports space. Meanwhile NASCAR has had social media influencers pointing out all their flaws for years now. It's not looking good for NASCAR.
@johnhaas2523 NASCAR got super popular before the chase. Then they had the one season with Matt Kenseth getting the championship and panicked. They made things worse through several changes including the playoff setup. Formula 1 and Motogp doesn't use gimmicks and they have record viewership and attendance. NASCAR should prioritize the racing. The championship doesn't need anything special.
I definitely think the final race should rotate between the non-drafting tracks.
As for rest of the playoffs, how about keeping win and your in but, stopping winners advancing directly into the 4.
Podcaster Eric Estepp also had an interesting format idea. I would keep his round structure of 1-3-3-3 except I might consider trimming the regular season to 25 races and making it 2-3-3-3 with locks into the round of 12 for the top 5 playoff eligible drivers.
Most other racing series don’t compete this deep into the year and are going against NFL for ratings for as many events.
I cried like baby when Justin won the championship!!! I’ve cheered for him forever no one deserves this more than him ❤
Hey fun fact, my uncle was in the studio with Steppenwolf and it was his drumsticks to record demos, including Magic Carpet Ride. I remember when it was added to ‘03, lost my mind ❤️
The playoff system is a great way to make the fanbase go into the offseason with a negative feeling. Keep doing that & they will eventually stop caring.
Like me… these past few years i was upset about the format. This year I just didn’t care. The championship race didn’t even feel special lol
I listen to the several shows here on dirtymo but I haven’t watched a race all year.
I enjoy listening to these discussions while driving or whatever but all this racing K.Wallace and the various folks here on dirtymo say is so good doesn’t look like racing to me.
I have watched xfinity segments and the highlight reels a bunch of times.
5:59 logano was eliminated from the playoffs, then wins the championship. Umm. NO!!
I hate this make-believe fake ‘playoffs’ anyway. But he was gifted an opportunity by nascar’s rubber rules instead of sticking to the plan.
I just can’t swallow it, intellectually, and the racing show is lackluster. Close racing doesn’t make a race anymore than a 8mph go kart “race” is at a beach vacation destination town
I've already stopped. Mickey Mouse champion
Already happened, I watched maybe 50 laps of this entire season because I hate what it's become
I quit watching NASCAR. I used to watch every race. Then, NASCAR decided most of the races don't matter.
I was so happy for you and Justin on Saturday, what a way to claim the Championship! The joy and also relief was felt through the whole celebration!
Winston cup points. No stages. Half way money no caution. Less road course racing. Qualify to make the race. These are things that should have been left alone.
I’m with you on everything but the “less road course racing” argument. Other than that, I agree.
Nah stages and one point per position points are the best things they’ve added. Same with the choose cone
Stages suck. I like the money at halfway with no free caution idea@@Vixen13k
@@ThatsMrTaylor2u with you on that
I’m with you on everything but the “less road course racing”
@@Vixen13k
If they want to play for stages maybe but stages with no cautions seems maybe ok.
But do olympic runners win races? Or stages?
Stages are Stupid
@19:03 I wish TV would get more cinematic with their Cameras. Back in the day they had low over track camera suspended in the air, wide angles cameras, Camera that would hang over the inside wall in the turns, Cameras in the stands, Cameras that were in the track and the walls and all of that made the experience on tv much more surreal. If they could bring back a few of those and up the broadcast quality of every race to the bare minimum 1080p HD ratings would go up. There is no reason the Coke 600 is being broadcasted and streamed in 720p. Every race should be in 4k , especially in the streaming world, I hate watching extremely zoomed in blurry shots of the cars left front tire. I will give credit where its do, I enjoy the new inside of the car cameras where we can see the drivers face more. you can see their focus and determination makes you see the human element of these mad men. This was by far the best season of racing in so long and I just wish it was broadcasted better so we can bring in more fans. You want sponsors to spend the money and stay, they need the exposure, let their brand be shown in the best, most badass cinematic way possible.
Bobby Allison was awesome. I can remember when he came to a small track on Vancouver Island in Campbell River, British Columbia and he was signing hats and stuff, I still have the hat from him that day. I can’t remember when it was. It’s been a while, but yeah, he was a cool guy. The track was called Saratoga Speedway.
What happened to just winning the most races and whoever gets the most points at the end of the season wins the title like Formula 1 and every other form of motorsport...
That's not good for entertainment reasons
@@johnhaas2523 Formula 1 is more entertaining than it has been for a few seasons now.
@@johnhaas2523 It was good during the best era of NASCAR.
F1 added sprint races different points...
Matt Kenseth ruined this when he had a "boring" 2003 Championship season
not really a racing song but I would love to hear Chevelle - RED in the game
Metallica's Fuel has to be on this game! The scary thing about Joey is that he is only 34. If they keep the championship at Phoenix, he could be your next 7 time champ
He was eliminated and yet got The trophy for the championship.
That’s stupid.
That’s nascar manipulating the outcome. AKA fixing the race
The playoff championships are almost meaningless compared to Winston cup championships.
I remember in years past when the drivers all raced like it was a regular race until there was like 50 laps to go to the end of the race.
Then came the unspoken working of those who weren't in contention for a win to get out of the way of a Championship driver in a place in the lap so that it didn't cost them more than that current position yet allowed the Championship contender to proceed on up the ladder except for handing them the race win.
It was what we knew then as being a good sportsman, of utilizing good sportsmanship.
With the current philosophy in the sport there is almost no good sportsmanship.
I have some ideas for songs that can be used for the iRacing game:
- "Flirtin with Disaster" by Molly Hatchet
- "Fuel" by Metallica
- "Wheel in the Sky" by Journey
- "My Way" by Limp Bizkit
- "The Broken" by Fireball Ministry
- "Symphony of Destruction (Steve Tushar Remix)" by Megadeth
- "Rollin' (Air Raid Vehicle)" by Limp Bizkit
- "Magic Carpet Ride" by Steppenwolf
Machinehead by Bush is a must, glad more comments are suggesting Molly Hachet Flirting with Disaster
It would be awesome if the NASCAR 25 soundtrack included a "best of" from past nascar games
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Sweet Home Alabama
Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride
Powerman 5000 - Action
Saliva - Survival of the Sickest
Black Crowes - Go Faster
Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane
Airbourne - Too Much, Too Young, Too Fast
Just some off memory that stick out from the EA games
Won’t there a ZZ Top song too?!
ill never forget Nascar 2001, the black screen and the white three, the sweet home alabama starts playing. epic intro
Y'all are forgetting Molly Hachet Flirtin' With Disaster!
Dont forget the song- “Down” by Motograter
Would be great if iRacing could throw Sega some money for Daytona USA tracks, those are PERFECT for custom soundtracks on the old Thunder games.
Full 👏 season 👏 points 👏format! 👏
We've been saying this since 2003. We do not need a playoff format. We never needed a playoff format. And we STILL don't today.
*Why is that so difficult to understand!?*
It's NASCAR...they avoid the easier solution that has logic and break things more, especially the past 6 years with the 550 package, then Gen 7 cars
I like Harvick's format idea. Top 4 regular season cars win a spot in final 4, 8,12,and 16.
I like the chase format. Still has a playoff feel and the champion seems deserving at the end of those ten races
Flirtin with Disaster was in Nascar 98 on Playstation 1. I played that game so much as a kid!
Heck yeah! A classic!
MAKE THE WINSTON CUP POINTS SYSTEM GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!
Nope, you assholes are stuck with the shitshow !
Will never happen.
@@LawsonSims44all you people keep saying this and you guys are horrible fans for saying things like that. That was their golden era you should strive to get it back to that golden era. There's a reason Nascar is a shadow of it's former self and shame on you for encouraging such self destruction!
It's been 20 years since the Winston Cup format was replaced It's time to move on Because every single industry partner said so But if you want to be old school You're going to have to stop watching and giving a s*** about NASCAR permanently
@ temper temper
It's time for nascar to move on to this century.
The Xfinity series has had a better racing product than Cup for AT LEAST 2 years. I believe the Cup car would be much better if they narrow the tires and/or more HP.
At this point NASCAR needs to can the Gen 7 by 2027 and bring a more traditional, stock car for Gen 8...I don't think any changes will hold longterm solutions besides scrapping it and bringing an improved Xfinity car to Cup.
Ever since 2019, xfinity has been the series to watch in terms of pure racing product
Glad to hear there's more content from Dirty Mo.
You have to get the Truck champion Ty Majeski on the show. Great story and is one of the best late model drivers in the country.
Turning on 03’, 04’ nascar thunder and the lightning shooting down on the car while it changes schemes with “Magic Carpet Ride in the background! 05’ , 07’ , 08’ & 09’ also had good tracks !
Thunder 2003 definitely used the "thunder" branding so well!
I miss your dad. Luving this channel. New fan here after about 27 yrs.
I'm sorry but TJ and his " Hey I'm here I'm really excited" 😂😂😂 Too good!
The fact that I left the roval and Logano was eliminated and is now the 2024 champion says it all right there..
bowman was light. they used the 17 lb allowance before the race even started and pushed their luck. their fault.
@@augustusappling139don't matter you don't let a guy who was eliminated back into the field and then go on to win a championship. It makes the championship have no merit
Nascar could have looked at the video Bowmans car 2 ft off the ground parts flying off called it an incident related situation no penalty no one would have argued. Penske thumbs on the scale.. it looks sketchy as hell to me.
@@Oz_Darkr1d3r he wasnt eliminated. Bowman failed post race inspection and the next car was in. Dirty Johnny told me a saying his uncle Terry told him you dont count your chickens till they hatch
And ignore Hendrick cheating?
Great comments by Joey!
Mark Martin said a long time ago that Joey would be a great driver and win championships
He would have finished outside the top 10 in a real points system lol
@@simxkev but that is not the point system they are using right now
Sweet home Alabama- NASCAR thunder 2002
NASCAR Thunder 2004 had by far the best overall soundtrack.
Define perfect. I would say that a format that rewards the best driver over the span of an entire season would be preferable. Maybe no perfect... but preferable. With the old Winston Cup style that's what you had. In F1 and Indycar, that's what you have...
Respectfully IMHO, NASCAR tried to turn itself into the NFL. 7 wild card teams have won the SB. As a Penske fan I'm happy with the result. This channel and podcast are SO cool, thank you!
While I was watching the final race and this idea came to me. Since stage points mean nothing, so how about just for the last race to have no stage breaks ... that'll really stir up strategies..
Just remove the win and in to next round. Win to get in the playoff is ok. But the playoffs should just be points based.
Push back from a Fan here!!! Sample size yes !!!
When the 22 got back in I had a feeling he may take it all. I told my dad they messed up now lol.
winston points is for the fans of racing,playoffs is for casual fans of chaos
And the latter are sadly who NASCAR are trying to attract...they want the loud fat trashy kinda people who eat up Jerry Springer/Maury show kinda BS and not a fine, pure race.
Hear me out… im not sure the old style winston points would be good for what nascars trying to do eventhough us purist would like it.. the argument is why should it come down to one race, one style of track, that may favor certain teams or drivers… what i purpose is still do the playoff format but instead of one race, when it gets down to the last 4 races make that the race for the championship. Have a road course, short track, superspeedway, and a mile 1/2 in the final round for all the marbles between the last 4 or 5 drivers standing that way ALL track type and driving skills are taken into consideration for who the champion is! And only reason i say 5 drivers is to give the regular season champ the automatic bid to that championship last 4 races, running great and being the best all year warrants a huge prize and that should be in… what yall think?
Need to call you out Dale on the playoffs comment. There are 6 NFL wild card teams per season, 3 per division for the last 46 years which equals 276 wildcard teams. Only 6 of 276 have won the super bowl or 2.17%. NASCAR has had the current playoff system and arguably there are about 5 of 9 "wild card" drivers who won or 55.5%. That is a clear indictment of the NASCAR playoff system.
So all the conversation is about whether or not the championship is legitimate. Two teams are suing NASCAR, one is owned by Michael Jordan. They may change the format again. NASCAR executives are saying they’re pissed at the OEMs that they depend on. Another team just shut down. There’s plenty more. I mean, if you look around these could all be signs that the ship is sinking. NASCAR could actually be coming to an end. NASCAR wants drama so badly, ironically the biggest drama may be watching it die.
Agreed. Add to it long time sponsors leaving & no significant new ones joining, & young racers getting a seat based on the size of the bag they bring with them.
Fact.
I kinda hope so. But unfortunately, nothing ever happens.
Flip the stages make the last stage the shortest to take away gas mileage racing. Maybe last stage caution be non-competitive. Equalize gas and tires..
one rule they could make is that if you are not in the playoffs you are not allowed to talk about playoff drivers points position on the radio (because it is none of their business). I know that wouldn't fully stop it but it could prevent major manipulation like what we saw at martinsville and give NASCAR an easy right to penalize if that is discussed on the radio
We need a slightly modified version of the Winston. No playoff or point reset
That is going to be nothing similar to the Winston Because none of the industry partners are going to support such a thing And fans don't even get to suggest of different format NASCAR only listens to the industry partners
@@johnhaas2523 Quit acting like you know anything kid. It's as simple as this, no fans no sport. Sponsors won't invest in something if nobody is there to consume their advertisement. Learn economics.
@@DerrickRGDon’t give that Haas clown attention he’s a shill for the higher ups in the sport
Exactly, still points for the season, and hammer down the whole season that would determine champion. He who ends with the most points
Can anyone advise on some of the things that should not be missed during the Daytona 500 week for a first time attendee. Thanks.
Nascar definitely needs to go back to the old Nascar winston cup points system
Flirtin With Diaster- Molly Hatchet (NASCAR ‘98)
Just the entire NASCAR ‘04 Soundtrack
Diary of Jane- Breaking Benjamin (NASCAR ‘07)
If anyone of those songs are on NASCAR ‘25, I’ll be happy.
Wait, what if they did like a “Legacy” type of thing where they just have a section of the game dedicated to the history of theme songs from prior NASCAR games? That would probably be too tall of task tho.
I'd love the NASCAR 98 and 99 race music
TV needs to have less commercials- if Mothers polish can sponsor a full f1 race for 2 hours without commercials... we can do that with NASCAR
Been a huge fan of NASCAR...grew up watch your Dad race and will always be an Earnhardt family fan! I have wondered in recent years why the final championship race is in Phoenix (and before that Homestead). I understand that Arizona in November guarantees incredible weather, but it seems like the final race for the Cup should be held at tracks like Daytona, Charlotte, Talladega, Darlington. From a fan point of view, the final race for the Cup should be a lot harder. The Daytona 500, Coke 600 and Southern 500 are hard races that would measure up to a Cup Championship level race.
I thought that was the best next gen phoenix race.
I agree with you Dale, parking the drivers sends a message to the sponsors and manufacturers more that owner/driver points and crew chief and sponsor suspensions
Homestead was a great option for a final race. Multiple grooves, large track, great atmosphere and starting in Florida and finishing in Florida was like going full circle.
NASCAR 98 my friend and I would race split screen at Sears Point with Flirtin With Disaster on repeat. I hadn't thought about that for years. Thanks for reminding me!
Just an idea for new playoff layout….points until you get to the last 4 races. Whoever has the most points gets the Regular Season Championship.
The top 32 cars in points qualify for a 32 spot bracket. Then it’s like an NCAA bracket, 1 v 32, 2 v 31, etc etc. Whoever has a higher finish in the matchup on the first week moves to the Sweet 16. Then elite 8. And then just do a Final 4 for the last race, whoever finishes better wins the Playoff Championship.
There could be upsets, or the #1 seed could win it all.
So happy for Justin and JRM
My favorites are the bull rings because if the Modified ranks which I consider to be more of a show excitement wise mainly because I worked on them even mounted Goodyear tires for them till Hoosier came in. Because of the way NASCAR has gone I'm close to getting FLO racing as they cover more racing and I would say more in entertaining. I'm a big fan of Jrs. podcast and will never not watch it because his insight counts along with his chat on the past race and of course racing history!
I'll share a couple thoughts about what drove me away from watching NASCAR. I mostly watched on TV. I'll leave the fake debris yellows off the list, assuming that has been resolved and may not directly influence tv watching based on format.
1. Scheduling. If a race was on the east coast, it would ALWAYS start at 1pm in the 90s. I enjoyed that. Suddenly one year the race was all over the map with start times and it was annoying.
2. Shorten the races. If an event goes on for four hours, I lose stamina. Races should never exceed three hours, and many times should be shorter.
3. Commercials. I haven't seen a race outside of "extended highlights" on youtube in a long long time. Last time I tried watching live, the frequency of the commercials was unbearable.
-signed an old fan from the 90s who lost interest in the mid 2000s.
Fake debris cautions havent happened since 2017 really, stages replaced those
And about point 2, i dont know how any fan would want LESS of something hes a fan of. Imagine football fans saying "reduce the games to 3 quarters, my attention span isnt long enough"
If you dont have the attention span for 3hr races you can always walk away and come back for the finish, but most race fans actually like to spend their whole sunday watching the race.
I agree about commercials and 1pm start times though (except for night races ofc)
I hate the playoff comparison to stick and ball sports. NASCAR has nothing in common with football, baseball, basketball, etc. In NASCAR, you race eagainst every single team with every single race vs a 1v1. Every week, drivers compete on a track that races differently than any other track vs playing on the same field/court regardless of location. There is an infinte amount of possibilities that can ruin the race of an innocent driver every week.
Why are we comparing an orange to a bunch of apples? Compare the orange to other oranges (F1, Indycar, V8 supercars, IMSA, etc).
I can only think of PGA/Professional Golf that compares. 1v1 on a different length course every week.
I don't want drama. I want reality and finishes to matter. Not every year is 1992 Atlanta, nor should it be. I hate the chase, I hate stages even more. Get rid of the crash clock, get rid of charters, have 43 qualify on speed. Race back to the line, none of these lets crash the field 3x after the official distance of the race at Talladega. Pretty much every change since 2004 and especially 2017 has ruined the sport. "Playoffs" are stupid, this isn't a game, you don't "play" racing. In the current format a guy can win 35 races and still not be champion? That's dumb. If a guy wins 12 races and has 30 top 5s and wraps up the championship with 2 or 3 races to go they have earned it. It's disgusting to call a guy like Blaney champion for 2023 with 13 top 5s for the entire year. That would barely get you a top 10 in the Winston Cup standings.
Harvick won 9 races in 2020 didn't make it, that was a Jeff Gordon 1998 season, but since it's not 1998 he lost, NASCAR in 2024 would find a way where 1998 peak Gordon loses the title!
Soundtrack must haves:
Three tracks from White Cowbell Oklahoma's Cencerro Blanco album:
San Antone
Monster Railroad
Southern Grace
Awesome, rockin' album.
Molly Hatch! We hired them for a concert in 1999. It cost $2500, 2 bottles of Jack Daniel’s, and an 8 ball
You have a awesome show jr love what you are doing keep doing what you do man this show is number 1 to me over everyone else's shows 👍
Phoenix needs to be reconfigured where people are driving thru the INFIELD!!! Can't go below the yellow line at Daytona or Talladega but you can drive 40ft off the track at Phoenix 🤬
I gambled on Justin winning the championship and it paid off I won a $900 pay out on fan dual
I can't wait until NASCAR becomes a racing series again.
NASCAR is always going to be sports entertainment
@@johnhaas2523 It was a racing series until about 2004 when they started to talk CoT and new playoffs.... "for the entertainent" and restrictor plates..... that's when it became about entertainment... and the way society is going..... that's how its going to be... the circus.. Stage breaks because of less practice and lower attention spans in humans... i could go on. disappointing but hey- homestead had a great race..
NASCAR will always be a sport
NASCAR for the most part lost me as a fan because of the stage format.. I don't understand how this is better entertainment than the old format was.
I wish they would get rid of the cautions that come with it. Imagine, instead of having everyone dividing the stage in half, some might go longer to have a better chance at winning at the end while some might short pit to get ahead at X lap to get some stage points but might jeopardize the runs at the end. It was getting there at road courses but i think it would be way better on ovals
Phoenix has run its course. It was done after year 1 of the reconfiguration. We have a track that’s complete chaos with the cutting of the dogleg, they’re 4 & 5-wide & try to make the corner that’s flat so you could completely miss the corner, slide up, and wipe out the cars to your outside & possibly involve the cars behind you. If we’re gonna do Phoenix as the Championship race, you might as well just have it at Atlanta or one of the other Superspeedways. Restarts look like the last lap of a Superspeedway anyways. Phoenix is a joke.
As european I'd like to watch a Nascar race now and then. But I don't understand the format. It's so confusing single race wise and championship wise. Just impossible to look through it as a casual. No idea what's going on.
Take the Stage Cautions out of the final race(s) when they don't mean anything. Let them decide when to pit to give it some extra excitement in the final race(s). It'll feel like the old days for a race or three.
They do mean something because everybody 5th on back in points It's still racing for points
@@johnhaas2523 Why, the regular season is over. I've never heard that mentioned about the 5th on back still getting points. But, ok.
@@johnhaas2523 your opinion is once again, useless.
@@Flying_Blind theyre still racing for points
Does this mean that the console game will have Xfinity series in it?
Commenting from the other side of the pond, we love road courses. How do you grow the sport? look at the viewership from outside of the USA. They love them too yes? It seems like a no brainier to continue the mix. If you want to grow your sport you cant rely on ovals solely. Some of the best races this year were road courses . Drivers need to be all rounders! love the download and thanks for the content!
When I play NASCAR heat 5 I don't use the chase system at all, I race old-school points system. Hey Dale, have you thought of interviewing Mark Hallaway( Undertaker)?
I tried that! Season long points with stages made for a good championship, I played as Chase Elliott and ended up losing in later stages of the season to Kyle Busch...he was more consistent when it mattered.
I’d like see the championship race at the Charlotte oval at the expense of the Roval race!
For playoff race only. At Phoenix, yellow line is out of bounds. My suggestion
Hell yeah, finish the season at Darlington. That will legitimize the championship.
the pace-car dives into pitroad, *Correction* the pace-car dies into pitroad
what about race manip from chevy in the championship to cycle Byron into the lead during pit cycles?
The Chase was the perfect middle ground!! They just had to make winning award more points!!
How do you think everyone would respond if the car itself was suspended when this type of manipulation occurs? This would make the Driver, Team, and Owner think more deeply about their actions since they would all be affected financially, plus the Manufacturer and other sponsors would be affected. Manufacturers shouldn't have that much influence on the teams to dictate team actions.
Teams shouldn't feel pressured to help each other, even if they are the same manufacturer. In a similar way, Imagine if Coca-Cola pulled the same stunt and heavily influenced drivers/teams to help the other Coca-Cola sponsored drivers... that would be just as ridiculous in the same way.
Do the west coast swing between Daytona and Atlanta. PLEEEASE.
2 and half hours i gotta sit down for this one
Have them just do updated version of NASCAR thunder 2004 with their spin
39:39
This is a massive problem. Nascar has no forsight. Spin gate was what, 2013? How in the world wasn't there defined rules with massive penalties & fines already in place for this level of race manipulation!? Already had manufacturer deals for years at plate tracks. It was no question if, but when a martinsville level event happened
I was at a concert with Dee Snider there and when he sang “I wanna rock” he said he charged $600,000 for it to be used in the sponge Bob movie
What is that emblem on Dale Jr's cap that's behind the word "Champion"? I've been trying to figure that out.
Dont forget logano would've/should've won Richmond if Dillon isn't playing bumper cars
Dillon wins that race if the 47 wasn't playing bumper cars to bring out that caution.
@DerrickRG true. But now you're playing caution god and what if no caution. Nice spelling of derrick btw. Same name!
I think the best compromise would be. Offer more bonus points for winning during the regular season but not win and you're in. Once the playoffs start, don't reset the points after each round. Just remove the people from the cut line and carry the points forward. While I don't like a one race winner take all I do think it keeps the last race of the year more interesting. So I'd compromise and say keep that. I'd be fine if any one of the 4 drivers that performed the best during the playoffs winning.
If Hendrick wouldn’t have brought an underweight car to the Roval the whole argument wouldn’t even be 😊
Who's to say it was under weight considering it past pre race inspection. Something fell off the car when he hit the turtles and that's what changed to the weight And that could have been a ballast and That's a penalty right there if it is seen
And nascar never has said what was missing from his car.
The highlight of the year for me was having the Brickyard 400 back.
Yes Jr, Atlanta is the best track. Gotta tell the Prime TV guys to pan out so we can see more of the action on our great big TV’s and get the sense of speed. More drone shots too. I don’t want to be able to read the A-Post decals on the leaders car all day. The TV broadcast at Phoenix changed cameras six times per lap in qualifying alone killing the sense of speed. Need to fix this.
I like the bar idea but that doesn't do a thing for someone in NC watching on TV.
Top 4 in points. 1 goes to final four , 2 goes to final 8, 3 goes to final 12 and 4 goes to final 16. The rest is up for grabs.
TJ can not let go of the last Talladega race where Larson was behind Keselowski and Larson lifted so he wouldn't push Brad to the win. He has been harping on every week since it happened
Yep. He’s getting pretty annoying with it.
I mean, id be ticked too. That was egregious race manipulation
NASCAR sees it all as content. No such thing as bad publicity in their mind.
love seeing dale and TJ teaming up on the DL keep him there
We had a sample size of 36 races, it wasn’t joeys fault that Alex Bowman was dq’d. I’m good with the format. It makes the teams dig even deeper with only 4 guys in the winner take all final.
I like the idea of keeping the win and your in for the regular season and set the playoff field the way we do now (except add a top 25 rule) but remove elimination rounds and run 10 races like we use to. Merge the wild card chase with the current format.
Fontana was niiice ! Been to phoenix 7.5/10
Saw josh berry win over Gibbs in 2022 in Vegas, good race between them two!!