VAR: Majority of Premier League clubs want to keep technology after Wolves proposal
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
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The majority of Premier League clubs want to keep VAR after Wolves tabled a proposal to scrap the technology.
However, it doesn't mean the clubs are happy with it. They want significant improvements, but the Premier League says those are on the way for next season.
The majority of clubs accept the points Wolves have made, but feel scrapping VAR would be counterproductive and damage the standing of the Premier League.
Rob Dorsett explaisn why Wolves' proposal to scrap VAR is very unlikely to succeed.
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It is not the VAR technology that make mistake,It is the refree who interpret the VAR technology.
its the same thing!
@@TPCDAZ VAR is like any tool-it's meant to be used correctly by those who understand it. When someone doesn't know how to use a tool properly, it's not the tool's fault. Other European leagues might not be as vocal about VAR because they might have found a better balance in its application or have different views on its effectiveness. The key is ensuring VAR is used appropriately by knowledgeable officials
@@TPCDAZ When you get into an accident because of a drunk driver, do you just go and make a petition to ban cars?
@@TPCDAZCars should also be banned because they cause accidents
Get rid of it anyway,
Can’t even celebrate properly anymore in fear it will be disallowed
With all the cameras, angles and replays there shouldn't be one wrong decision in the game but yet Howard Webb has made var about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike
Howard Webb is a referee not working var
@@Leo-zr1qv but hes the clown that in charge of them and came in with his stupid narrative and since hes been in charge it been worse than under mike riley and that saying something
@@zattanna74 he’s not in the box he’s on the pitch, referees don’t do VAR and the only time they can look at a screen is if the VAR officials say “we both don’t agree/unsure, come take a look and decide for yourself”
It’s ruined the game, you can’t celebrate a goal anymore. I’d rather drop a division to get rid of VAR so I can enjoy the game again.
@@gingerturtle4229 everyone: “we need var cos wrong decision are ruining the outcome of the match and the sport, too many corrupt officials”
Prem: **first league to add VAR**
Also everyone: “we need to remove VAR it’s ruining the sport by correcting decisions”
The use of VAR has not been successful. The match officials' operating the system are biased. They only use it to favour the teams they support. Given soft penalties to others, not given to another. And your statistics are wrong. The referee association is corrupt. They need to sort themselves out. They made EPL look bad this season. This season is probably the worst officiating season in the league.
Stats coming out of the Premiere League themselves...are you for real? It would be like auditing yourself!
Why nothing on the officials operating VAR? WTF
agree 100%
VAR should be held back until they understand know how to use it to full affect. The people in charge of VAR arn't going to fire themselves, so the Prem Clubs need to take this stand.
The clubs shouldn’t be voting for this at all it should be the fans. Without the fans these clubs are all finished. The big clubs want it because it’s used to keep them at the top.
@@gingerturtle4229? What did you mean? Does VAR help the big clubs? Really? If with VAR they can help the big clubs without VAR it will be Easier to do that
Are these clubs in favour prepared to ballot their Season Ticket holders to gauge the true fan opposition to VAR?
Get rid of VAR or at least get rid of the corrupt var employees
It's the one who operate it which is the referee is the problem not the technology.
Some referee have their own favourite team and who knows some team get the help from the referee.
@@ronnyron4681pgmol must be investigated
True pgmol needs investigating @@ronnyron4681
If you think referees are corrupt, then removing VAR would only make things much easier for them.
Rob Dorsett can't help himself having a little dig at forest whenever he gets the chance 😛
It's not about what clubs want. It's about what fans want.
It's not about if VAR works. It's about the referees that use it.
As a Chelsea fan, VAR should absolutely stay. I still remember Chelsea vs Barcelona in Stamford bridge
Do you also remember what happened in the 1st league at Camp Nou? Don’t be a hypocrite
@@samuelkoomson6017nothing happened.
Don't be stupid that was a European game not in anyway related to the epl
@simmienyathi3746 shut up. Manchester United did the same thing to Chelsea in Stamford bridge during Ferguson days. Chicharito goal
@@josephjohn907 Liverpool still lost to spurs when var was around, arsenal vs Newcastle,wolves vs any team, Liverpool vs mancity., Newcastle vs man utd...so either way it happens maybe try being unbiased
Reason it’s 96% correct is they decide what’s correct and they find something obvious use var on it what counts as a correct decision what puts the percentage up also var clearly is inconsistent if they keep var pgmol should go and they should change they’re refs
Golden bullet? Gold would make a terrible bullet. I think he meant silver bullet
Getting rid of VAR because there are still some wrong decisions made in games is like getting rid of seatbelts because there are still people killed in car crashes.
Newsflash! We've been using it for nearly 6 damn years now it SHOULD be near perfect now! If they can't get it right after 6yrs then they never will! GET RID
The fact that you can’t celebrate a goal properly without that doubt in your mind is the real killer. It’s the most joyous thing in football and it’s been taken away.
Your second paragraph is exactly it, and the fact so many don't get it makes me think they don't actually go to games
VAR should stay but some of the rules need clarifying such as the handball rule. Under the current guidelines the only way to avoid is to not have any arms. Also I hope they go back to flagging offside when it happens and not let play continue with the possibility of injury in defensive contacts.
If the clubs vote to keep var I never want to hear a club ever again complain about it. If Liverpool get another obvious goal ruled out I want them to come out and say "All good thanks", If a team get relegated on the last day because Var decide a player being decapitated in the box isn't a penalty I want that club to laugh it off and say "ah well these things happen" Any club who votes to keep it starts moaning. Screw them. Even if it's my own club.
If they made those decisions with VAR theyd make them without it so whats the difference 😅
@@Straight-Outta-Nottingham the difference is a ref or linesman on the pitch doesn’t have the opportunity to replay what happened before deciding whether something was or not a foul or offside etc.
@@VeeTuTonic I know that, but if they cant get it right with VAR they wont without it so whats the difference? Therd be even more bsd decisions
Part of the problem (and there are many problems) is that Howard Webb's group has proven to be incompetent & lacking integrity. The Liverpool "Diaz offside" blunder & several matches where VAR declined to review a play because they didn't want to "show up" the ref on the field quickly come to mind. Yet, the Prem will involve Webb's group again if they keep VAR. The Premier League risks losing the faith & trust of its fans if they keep VAR & keep Webb in charge of it.
Good because it makes more decisions correct than wrong. It needs tweeking not scrapping
Aston Villa vs Liverpool had 9 minutes added time come on some of the time taken was so poor.
PGMOL under Howard Webb is so poor
It greatly improved towards the end of this season. Quicker decisions and it seems the referee on pitch has more control. Obviously some mistakes still made .
Ah yes, back to the days when offside goals decide games, or non-offside goals are not given because the referee thinks they were offside, back to the days when every match has several 'schwalbes' and some of them were rewarded with an unjust penalty deciding the game. The good old days!
It would be much better to go back to "those days" too many people are forgetting or simply don't know the reason why the " Offside " rule was brought in in the first place - it was to stop " goal hanging " , Yes there were goals given that were Offside but most of the time, that just meant that they were "technically" Offside which was fine - now it's come down to millimetres - which was never the point of the Offside rule - if anyone thinks that the Offside rule being so precise means that it is a fair rule for everyone then ask yourself if you think it's fair when a player is called Offside and a goal does not stand when ( because it's down to such a tiny amount ) a player with smaller feet would not have been called Offside - if you think being "penalised" for body size is fair and in the true spirit of the game then good luck to you and I hope you enjoy football when they bring in the next daft rules because we just sat back and watched while the powers that be decided that they know what's best for OUR game, they are getting rid of FA Cup replays - a brilliant thing for clubs - earning a hard fought draw away from home and getting a much needed revenue for the home replay , we've had FA Cup replays for a hundred years but those in charge know what's best - all they care about is making football better for the fans - bless their cotton socks - they really are true champions of the beautiful game
I dont understand why were not using automated offside technology? Have camera's follow the players and the ball constantly, have the camera's determine offsides and not leave it to VAR officials to draw offside lines.
VAR should be completely replacing linesman imo, theres no need for linesman referee's, they get decisions wrong soooo often. Like incorrect corner/ gk decisions. Incorrect throw-in decisions. Incorrect offside calls etc.
In short - SKY want to keep it.
Nah, something isn’t right about this. All the commotion it’s caused throughout the entire season with every club in the league and they’re trying to say “none of the clubs want it to be scrapped and are happy to keep it in the game”?🤨
Bizarre isn't it. Clubs well and truly do not listen to their fans anymore.
@@TravelinChina Klopp has voted against it and the guy says “you can probably count the number of people voting against it on one hand”, surely at least 5 out of the 20 teams in the league have voted against it too… Forest and Wolves included, maybe even Everton
I would only allow the VAR officials to view replays at full speed.
If they can't decide on that, it's not a clear and obvious error.
This should help to speed up the process.
Some of the EPL referees are officiating poorly
It’s not the use of VAR that seems to be the problem it’s more how it’s being used that creates a negative perception
I would rather prefer to import Referee from other country than having England Referee on the pitch. The Problem is those lazy referee, what was wrong with Technology?
VAR can be used like how the third umpire is used in cricket. There are 2 challenges per club, if you get a challenge right, the challenge is retained. In football, the captain gets to challenge the referees decision. Cricket has become more interesting after the 3rd umpire, football unfortunately has regressed after VAR coming in for every single thing.
I am in favour of keeping var but something is not clear and obvious if it takes more thann30 seconds.
If it takes any longer than that the field decision should stand
The fact is that we have talked about referee’s mistakes even more after VAR
With VAR goals are needlessly over analyzed before being awarded
It has made the game more accurate but actually worse
They need to use automated technology or scrap VAR
As a fan this all you need to see where these clubs stand
Should be scrapped as well as officials
Doesnt make any sense to me why people want it gone, if you think they make bad decisions WITH VAR imagine what would happen without it 😅 people have forgotten how many correct goals were ruled out for offside incorrectly etc
Scrapping VAR how will that make most epl refs who are very poor improve? Wolf please hit the nail on the head 🗣️
But VAR decisions that are wrong are make or brake a football club, that's the problem here...
As with all systems, the problem is really the human operating them
Each clubs fans should vote and the clubs should vote on the results
When you say majority you mean so called top 6 want to keep it
Var technology is ok but individual handling erru are the cause wether is deliberately done or not right now is not creating any different than be for
It's amazing how some football fans can wait for years (or even forever 😂) for their teams to reach competitive levels or become champions, yet they don't have the patience to wait for a 5-minute VAR decision 🙄😂.
noooo
Nonsense. Bookies need it to change the nature of the game.
Is a good technology in football but the decisions makers referees are just not doing great in it ,, especially in England this season loads of poor VAR
Good news, VAR is here to stay, improving the Ref both on the field and in the VAR rooms are what they need to do.
Technology intact not only to detect for offsides, disallowed goals but ball crossing the line to confirm goal or not and fouls and handballs not seen but final call is referee decision
Var is a good thing, its the people working it that's the problem. They need an x pro working it. Someone who's actually played the game at a pro level, and knows what's actually happening on the pitch!
82% is not good enough.... simple as
❤ it’s okay
GOOD! I would hate to go back to the hideous weekly errors of the past. 90% is far better than 50%. It can still improve... but KEEP IT!
Consistency from referees and a former player in the VAR booth might improve the game.
Why even the media also shaying away from the truth the official in England are really poor face the fact
What.
The issue isn't the var it is the fact the referees AREN'T PROPERLY TRAINED to referee a match especially after the sock incident yesterday and 94% far too HIGH
i think they should scrap it untill they make strong improvements
Lone wolf vs VAR
It's not var that's the problem it's the people in control of it. If there was a separate body of var only officials that weren't in any way to do with the on pitch refs i believe it would be better as we know from Mike Dean its a boys club and they always look after their mates even if they've made a poor decision.
An incompetent worker will always blame their tools.
Video Assistance Technology is a blessing to football, those put in charge of using it, are either incompetent or corrupt or both.
They are the ones to be reviewed and held accountable.
Exactly, they've steadfastly ignored the elephant in the room
Why can't we move to a flag system in which the managers have the right to challenge a call 2 a game 1 in each half if manager is wrong once the ref has reviewed it he loses that challenge like cricket and tennis. Then if they didn't challenge and come to the press room to moan you can say why didn't u challenge the call then.
Semi-auto offside technology
Goal-line technology
And while we're at it mic up the refs like rugby.
Bang, done, simple.
SCRAP VAR.
VAR stays,,its ref to get better with using it
I wonder how the referees feel when they hear all this.
Teams would have to amend the way they play in Europe when VAR is in play? How exactly? It’s still football and whether VAR is in play or not won’t alter tactics of teams, what a nonsense comment
FFS get rid of VAR
Why the hell would you remove VAR? I do not remember the pre-VAR times fondly as some nostalgics do. VAR is simply exposing how bad the refs are and putting them under scrutiny, and I'm all for that. Focus on improving the standard of referees in the Premier League.
We want Var to get the BIG desitions right, it is not the % but the big desitions in the games that matter, and they have been awfull at that this year !!
It not var it refeering level that bad
Clear & Obvious can't be defined, evaluated or measured so how are they saying they have improved the number of right decisions especially the big ones. VAR should apply rules of game to confirm to ref if the decision was correct or not. Ref can then opt to review, accept if VAR agrees with on-field or overturn decision if VAR disagrees or ignore the VAR information. Refs will still be in control of game but can be judged on their performance 👍
Everyone knows Var in concept should make the game fair for all. However the amount of wrong decisions which have no accountability or compensation for clubs makes a mockery of Var.
Var seems to be used by officials to have more control over the outcome of games.
Wolves have had apologies for really poor decisions, the officials say sorry then say they will change things for future games & they do ... Thanks Wolves for helping us make Var better however no compensation will be given.
Compensate clubs for the wrong decisions & Var will definitely get used the way it is supposed to be used !
Watch var double down in robbing wolves next season now
Var is not the problem its the officials
VARsenal, VARchester City, VARchester United, VARston Villa, EVARton.😊
Nope, Wallstreetsenal, Oilchester city, Wallstreetchester utd, Oilcastle utd, Oil Saint Germain, Etc..
Very original mate
@@ronnyron4681 😅😅
@ronnyron4681 what's wrong with oil you use it every day, you can't put oil in ya car or cook with it and then have an issue with it
It was so refreshing and fun watching some Cup games that didn't use VAR. Made me miss being able to celebrate goals... now you have to wait 3 minutes.
Have City paid the rest to say yes keep it.
If VAR was used properly then it's great but the VAR Operators are so bad they haven't got a clue what they are doing
Let's just go by what the top 6 want. ££££ will win either way .
82% VAR decisions were correct,VAR has done more good than harm and that's what matters
They need to have separate VAR people. The refs shouldnt be in that room. Im in the keep VAR camp
VAR is not the problem, is the officiàls behind it, if all europeans, asians, south and north america want to learn, they should watch all concluded AFCON in ivory coast... VAR is good, but those referees and VAR officials, are not good enough and sentimental and favouring some teams...
Go back to the old school way but keep goal line technology
why go back to making unfair, sensless offside judgments?.. VAR is here to stay.
Look at the useless disallowed goals, between chelsea and Liverpool, denying many teams.....
Corrupted league stopped watching this league until justice is served
KEEP var!!!!
Making refereeing FAR more transparent and FIX the g.d. rules!!!!
Sky, you seem like you're pandering to the PGMOL and the Premier League in their decisions, though they are often incorrect. You don't have the balls to stand up against the inefficient Premier League. The problem with VAR is the people running it. The referees in the Premier League are the worst in the game. VAR works more efficiently in other leagues because the referees running it know how to call an unbiased game. Wolves are absolutely correct on goals. As a fan, when somebody scores, I can't cheer or sulk because I am like will it be a goal or not? It takes away from the game. The game is being reffed twice. This leads to a ridiculous amount of extra time at the end. If we had better people, who knew the game, running it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Var isnt the problem. Its the referees making mistakes on a weekly basis. Var just shown how bad the refs are. It didnt help rewriting the rules so no one knows what a handball or foul is anymore.
That 4% is wolves then var is 100% making it less enjoyable for fans and slows the game down and we have var and pricks still dive
Utter crap, I have spoken to 12 clubs support groups and there is a massive movement to get VAR removed out of the game so what is being sprouted here regarding VAR is utter rubbish. These statistics that the premier League peddle is based on what exactly ???
VAR is like a bad marriage, you don't fix it you get rid of it as the Premier League in regards to VAR is The Lies The Damn Lies then The Statistics ... Everything about VAR has damaged the game irreparably, Get rid of it I say !!
The tech will never be the problem, its people that are, too much subjective reviews and no pressure on refs on the pitch plus the whole silence for 6 mins or so goals never being celebrated properly as fear of it being ruled out for a toe nail but is that even the right thing to do? The refs not putting up the flags immediately also gets annoying, i think the refs need to be properly educated in other countries about var and see how its run or bring in foreign refs who do know the system and let them take it, this isnt hard to correct but theyre making a mountain out of a mole hill
Get referees eyes checked send them to a optician they are blind
Very easy to say from the stands or from the comfort of an armchair!!
Hold dat Wolves, VAR is NOT the problem. It is the incompetent referees who are the problem.
Screw var
English refs are the problem. Not VAR. Train your referees better.
VARsenal.
Limit the types of call that VAR can overturn. Goal line and offside. That IS it.
Wish they'd listen to the fans.....most of us would love to see the back of it
So sky again in bed with the refs/pgmol not going against them in any way shape or form. correct decision are delusional because there is no consistency within the game officials, the new we refs don’t want to go against the older ones when there in VAR but the older ones will quite happily re ref decisions. Where is the consistency there?- The interviews with Howard Webb are a joke because he’s never contradicted or asked hard truth questions.
VAR has spoilt the game - the fans are fed up with it, the only thing it proves is that there is no consistency with the officials.
Statistics can be laid out to say bread is water or 1 = 50000 so they can shove that where the sun doesn’t shine.
The league this year will be won by a team who has had many decisions in the crucial matches go their way.
"there's been car crashes"
"Ignore the drivers! we should BAN ALL CARS"
Give VAR to foreign referee's
Just get rid of it
I wonder how many of the clubs that want to keep it will be crying about decisions next year?