Why doesn’t Ben White want to play for England?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Arsenal’s sporting director, Edu, told The FA that Ben White does not want to be considered for the England squad.
It seems that whatever happened during the Qatar World Cup is still sensitive for the right-back.
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by Tim Spiers and Arsenal correspondent, James McNicholas, to discuss the outrage from both point of views.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:13 What Southgate said last week
00:01:18 White leaving during the World Cup
00:03:13 White's interview with Sky Sports
00:06:30 Ben White at Arsenal
00:13:07 White's durability
00:14:10 Arteta's demands
00:15:22 Ben White's contract announcement
00:16:45 Will rival fans boo White?
00:18:00 Is the door still open for Ben?
00:20:00 Why are people upset with him?
00:22:10 The travelling involved with England
00:23:50 Not playing at tournaments
00:27:38 Club v country competition
00:29:47 Final comments
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They took Ben White to 2 tournaments, didn't play him a single minute. Barely played him in any friendlies. Had a row with him, took personal digs at him. And then wonder why he doesn't want anything to do with this set up.
It's a disgrace
Exactly call ups are not caps for your country.
Like he's the only one in that situation. Get a grip.
@@GeoffHicks-zg7hs He actually is though. Who else did they do this to?
Maybe white is not good enough
@@user-jd7hp7ce3lSo why is his name coming up? He was perfectly happy when his name wasn't coming up.
Southgate saying he picks the players based on their performance, but picked Maguire and Henderson 😂
I think this is the crux of the issue.
And was picking Kalvin Phillips when he wasn't getting a game. Then drops him when he does
Maguires isn't that bad. Solid in the air and can pass just clumsy every now and then
@jackshaw2701 but there are other players that can do that and are in form and do all other things better.
We have world class forwards, kane, Bellingham, saka, foden,
Then We have Maguire. @@jackshaw2701
He wants to play for England. He just doesnt want to sit on the bench for southgate. I would rather spend that time with my family
Football is a team sport, RB is a tough spot to get in at the moment
Yeah i don’t rate Southgate at all but it’s not a lot to ask to turn up for your country
@@dteezle he is still better even as CB than Maguire
@@villetilus maybe but if you're not willing to be a team player then he shouldn't be called up again. Can't even ring Southgate himself. It's pathetic
@@villetilus Yes but since he doesn’t play CB anymore he wouldn’t be in the side on merit over players like Stones, Tomori, Guehi, Branthwaite, Gomez, even Quansah. And he doesn’t get in the RB spot on merit either. So how is he being made into a victim? He isn’t starting because he’s never been good enough to start and so he’s throwing his toys out the pram, it’s as simple as that.
It's funny how lots of people tell us that Walker, Trent, James, Tripper are all ahead of him, yet lose their mind that White doesn't want to be involved.
Massive kudos to the Arsenal press and management team for protecting Ben. The preemption and forethought was obviously impeccable.
Agreed, supreme professionalism
Protecting him like he’s a victim? 😂
@@Do27gghe is. People (England fans and rival club fans) have been abusing him on social media over this
Look the press and fans are going at him. so kudos to arsenal's press for trying to protect him but management team needs to ring on his behalf? How old is he? Why can't he ring Southgate himself. I don't think he should play for England again
@@KarltonFranz Ben white is the only famous person that has hate comments 😱
he’s obvs had a falling out with the coaching staff which also seems like it’s his fault as I’m sure if it was the coaching staff the other players would have downed tools. Most cringe player ever
He doesnt want to play for Southgate and Holland. Lets make it clear.
And who can blame him. Southgate is just a PR man and Holland is useless. Can't wait to see what this generational England talent can do under a proper coach.
Southgate is the problem. His favouritism / double standards will be the reason why England might not win the Euro, even with the best set of quality of players for ages.
Oh no the idiots are on the athletic now! Go back to football daily and talksport
Ben white did NOT decide to not play for England. He DID decide to not play for Southgates coaching team. He obviously adores England.
Yeah he's decided not to play for England.
@@Geokinkladzeare you mentally handicapped?
He is a soulless oddball.
They amount to the same thing. You think anyone liked Capello? 🤣
Exactly.@@edmanning274
If i was Ben then i wouldn’t want to play for southgate either.
Exactly, and Southgate proved it by essentially throwing Ben under the bus with that interview, laying all the blame on Ben
Particularly when slab head is preferred to you in the starting lineup. Not many are focusing on the favoritism towards sub par players in England.
Steady bro
@@azeetaag Frederic
You play for your country not the manager. He's a coward.
Ben White's such a vibe. Ball out, go home, forget about work, rinse and repeat.
It's not like Ben White is anywhere near the best at his job. Average at best
@@abstraqtphilosophy7357 no amount of tribalism can blind me enough to say ANY premier league footballer being "average at best" at their jobs. let alone a surefire starter that is rarely injured for the current LEADERS of the most competitive football league in the world.
But you do you
@@maulannathis is so true
You can NOT be an average footballer and be a regular for one of the best teams in Europe
People forget what the word ‘average’ means
@@abstraqtphilosophy7357 if he is average on his job, i wonder someone like u can even handle washing dishes without complaining… highly doubt that
@@alexl2070lmaoooo😂
My guess is that Ben, having played under excellent coaches such as Bielsa, Potter and Arteta, also doesn't think Southgate and Holland could coach their way out of a wet paper bag.
Geez, when you put it that way with the coaches he's played under, Southgate looks like a championship manager at best. Oh wait, that's because he is.
So glad James was on this video. Repping the Arsenal fans and Benny Blanco perfectly, as ever ❤❤❤
72 years ago an Arsenal captain said "i thought the ultimate accolade was to be selected and play for England... i was wrong ... the highest honour is to play for Arsenal. " that captain said that on the day Arsenal lost in the 1952 cup final
Seems a story about nothing at all. If Ben White feels he will sit on the bench and doesn’t see the point in travelling and taking the time for no point so what. I don’t know but have a feeling not many professional footballers sit at home watching football in their spare time. and when they were younger just played at every opportunity not sat on sofa watching it.
When Chris Sutton refused a call up to England B team he was told he would never play for his country again. The disrespect to refuse an opportunity that others would kill for was seen to have crossed a line. I'm not saying that's right but it's not that wrong either.
@@edmann1820people need to understand that if a player doesn’t want to be selected, it’s their decision and it should be respected. It’s not the military either where you have to play for your country because it’s mandatory. I’m sure there’s a reason why Ben doesn’t want to go and we don’t really know….. yet. I don’t get the overreaction.
@edmann1820 if he doesn't get selected again after this it's his own fault
@@edmann1820disrespect works both ways @edman imagine how a player fields when players who are out of form for their clubs or not even playing are afforded a starting position ahead of others. His stance my not necessarily be for himself but for the general disrespect he feels for the manager overall and many of us agree. Why do you think most of the man utd fans are in arms over his rumoured appointment and it's not just based on his managerial skills or lack of it
@@TheHarlemShow01 after everything you have read @the harlem does he seem the type to be particularly bothered.? We can't jusge people by our own metrics. The guy is on record as saying he doesn't watch football he only plays it so if England won the euros he won't lose any sleep over it. So you remember Essou atoko at spurs..? He was similar and retired by 30
Harry Redknapp is not relevant. Media should stop inviting his opinions
He should only be mentioned in tax dodging and bribe - bung taking blogs. He still has his place 😂
never forget him saying he had no interest in the Pompey job so I laid him only to be made manager 2 days later after a flood of money
His London accent and cockney demeanor sells.
Ben White knew his time was up with Southgate during the 71st minute of England vs Iran game at the world cup.Coming into the worldcup, White was confident he was ahead of Maguire in the pecking order but to his surprise Southgate went with his trusted Stones/Maguire partnership and White had to settle for a spot on the bench. However, with England leading 4-1 at the 71st minute, Southgate decided to take Maguire off, perhaps a chance for White to showcase his point but alas! it was Dier that came in for Maguire.This single substitution meant that White was not even the first choice cover for CB, a decision that did not go well with White.He obviously rates himself higher than a second choice cover CB.To me, this was the turning point for White, the 71st minute substitution of Dier for Maguire when England were leading 4-1 vs Iran.White must have been thinking, if I can't come on when we are leading 4-1 then I probably won't get a chance in the knockout rounds.
Big issue if you have no life. Its not a call up to defend country. Its call up to play for Southgate and Holland. His choice. Leave him alone.
Arry Rednapster should be in jail for not paying taxes. So loyal to country 😮.
No doubt opposing fans will play on it but we get more behind him. Look at abuse press and fans gave Beckham for getting sent of when he in fact shouldn't have been sent off. Ben will go on to be the nations darling 😂
Context also. Next game City and going for 2 trophies with his club, prepare well or go and get chance if injury in badly led moronic training sessions by folk he thinks are wankers and knowing he isn't playing.
I've seen non Arsenal fans saying he's not even the 3rd choice RB for England. Call up those better than Ben White then. If he's truly not even 3rd choice according to those words why should he go anywhere near the England squad then?
As a CB we all know Maguire and Stones are going to play, so why would he want to go just to get benched anyway?
Exactly!
He's nowhere near top 3 Rb and the only reason he got this call up is because trippier is injured. Walker, Trippier and reece james are all clear of him and with Livramento coming through now who is already better than him he will be lucky to even make the bench.
Tripper is bang out of form, James is permanently injured and get your hand off it about it Livramento.
@@savage6131 Tripper is not ahead of him-Reece James in never fit.Maguire ahead of him is just a joke
White is easily first choice RB, ahead of Walker even now with the Saka link uo
I saw James and knew the discussion would be a lot more balanced than some of the other “media”. Fantastic content.
Okay, but that Tim guy was predictably shallow: "Ben White will rue this for the rest of his life," shows he knows nothing about Ben White.
You mean u saw an arsenal fan and knew all he would do the whole time is suck your squad off. Ben White is shite and doesnt even make englands bench when all Right backs are fit. He should be honoured to even make the squad the cry baby bitch.
What's the point in going when the coach is going to bench him throughout? 🤷🏽♂️
Ben White doesn’t watch Football. He is not joining the camp to sit on bench and watch the team play.
@@db10cruz31😂😂
How do you know be won’t be needed to come off the bench to protect a lead or replace an injured player? Could I borrow your crystal ball by any chance?
@@searchterminatorseed2301it is part of his psyche. Southgate plays players on his own favorites rather than real merits. The fact he actually said all that about Ben’s form tells you volumes about Southgate’s preferences. If he mentioned his regret, and said Ben White would be starting under his current form, Ben White may change his stance. On form, Jordan Henderson shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad.
Imagine balling the way Ben White does and needing to play second fiddle to Maguire.
You mean like most of the 25 man squad? Shame this fruit can’t behave like a man.
Southgate said he should be picked for the squad based on his form, but then plays McGuire over him 🤦🏽♂️ tells you everything you need to know about how piss poor a manager he is
> one plays CB the other has played right back for over 2 years now
> You can't even spell Maguire right and he's been in excellent form this season
Probably shows why Southgate is the England manager over the likes of you tbh
new man utd manager??
@@shishsukeMaguire has been injured for a good part of this season, and Southgate has continually played Maguire when he has been out of form.
@@shishsukeBen white is a multi tool
Harry maguire is just a tool
Ben white plays cd, CDM right back to take and inverted role with shots off his left foot
Maguire can do none of these things
So despite Maguire not playing and being out of form he's the best central defender
Which is still one of Ben whites multiple positions?@@shishsuke
I don’t remember there being this level of furore when Paul Scholes stopped making himself available for international selection 20 years ago.
Tbf 20 years ago there wasn't this much social media.
Everythings "content" today 😊
Both relevant points and taken on board. Call me a biased Arsenal fan if you want, but I think Gareth Southgate really threw Ben White under the bus in the press conference. He knows exactly why White doesn’t want to play for England right now and the roll that Steve Holland played in it (and I stress, RIGHT NOW. He tweeted that getting his first cap was a dream come true and that he loved every minute of it), but he made out that White had just left him in the lurch and in the dark, and put everything on him. Southgate could have taken the first amendment route and said something along the lines of “I’ve picked who I think the best players are from who is available to me at this time, and I will not be commenting any further on team selection”, but no. He decided to make a point, because he feels disgruntled, and frankly, I think the way Ben White has been treated by Southgate/Holland, along with sections of fans and pundits is absolutely disgraceful.
This is not the military or the army. Accepting a call-up is not mandatory or compulsory. You are not disrespecting your nation, or letting your country down, or committing a dereliction of duty by rejecting a call-up, as I have heard from certain sections. If we’re looking purely on form, Kyle Walker is still probably rightly first choice, but what are your options after that? Reece James is nearly always injured, Trent Alexander-Arnold is looking more and more like a No.8 by the week, Kieran Trippier is 34 this year and nowhere near the same form that he was in during the first half of the season, and Joe Gomez is not as comfortable playing full back as he is centre back. On form, and if he was available, Ben White should absolutely be in the England squad.
I’ll leave you with this: I listened to the Arsenal Vision Post Match podcast on Monday, and Tim Stillman posed a very good question: in managerial terms, Marcelo Bielsa and Mikel Arteta can be understandably looked at and defined as psychopaths and obsessive, yet both of them were able to get a tune out of Ben White. Why can’t Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland?
Maybe they’re not the man managers that they think they are.
Obviously Ben white stormed out of the World Cup and hasn’t returned since it’s so obvious something happened
@@jadmantoura4483EXACTLY. If White's commitment level is sufficient for Bielsa & Arteta (vastly superior and more intense coaches than Southgate) that obviously is not what is at issue between White and the SGate regime. I think White feels insulted by whatever happened between him and the staff. It also can't help that a shit coach in Southgate won't play him, meanwhile two coaches who are ten times more respected in Arteta & Bielsa clearly love him based on the fees they paud for him and how much playing time they gave him.
What Southgate plays isnt football. Its dire defensive football. I dont blame White not wanting to play.
So football then?
He plays defensive football and Ben is a defender.Surely that would be great for his game?
Also Southgate has done something only one other manager has done for England in 60 years
@@brandonking2679 Called up Jordan Henderson
@@STT80 what’s your point ? He’s playing for Ajax in the Dutch league not Saudi
realistically speaking, it doesn't take a genius to figure out some obvious circumstances ; for instance, long as southgate is there, he knows for sure that his playing time be so limited coz SG always favours the same players
perhaps he thinks things through, why waste my energy for zero reward
Roy Keane Left the 2002 Ireland squad from the WC following a bust up with Mick McCarthy
Roy Keane was absolutely correct by the way. The FAI were treating the administrative staff on the trip better than the actual players
First player to stand up to southgate. Getting snobbed for out of form players for years. I like it and southgate deserved it.
This is not rocket science. Southgate keeps inviting Ben White only to keep him on the bench to Watch Harry Maguire who rarely plays for United . but you want him to leave his family to go on a tourism tour just because he is meant to be patriotic. Ben While in the last 2-3 seasons have been arguably the best RB ( all round Ability and Availability wise) who can also play at CB but guess what, he should be patriotic and just keep showing up to sit on the bench. Psychologically that is not healthy! The Steve incident or not, Ben White only did the smart thing, to be made a circus, remove yourself from the cluelessness and favoritism of a Southgate. Simple!
if Maguire was at arsenal would he get a game...not a hope in hell
The mental gymnastics is unreal. It’s his job to do as he’s told just like anyone else.
@@steveo4991playing for England is not his job.
@@ItsAv3rageGamer Not anymore it isn’t.
@@steveo4991 it’s not his job full stop, arsenal pay his wages not England.
4:53 the England team under Southgate is anything but the pinnacle of football. Pinnacle of defensive fearful motionless football? Maybe
That’s every national team. National teams don’t get enough time training together to develop intricate complicated offenses. Teams win by being defensively sound, maximizing corners and free kicks and waiting for individual moments of brilliance. It’s been the recipe for decades.
@@SKa-tt9nmnational teams also win by selecting players from their best club teams and mirroring their style of play (Spain 2010 was basically Guardiola ball). A better coach than Southgate would build a team around City, Arsenal, Spurs (and to a lesser extent, Brighton) players and utilize tactics those players already know
Yet our under 18s and under 21s have been smashing goals in.
It's only impossible because you don't believe it's possible
@@SKa-tt9nm
@@brownistani Why would southgate change selections when its been working as it is. At the time a lot of spain players played in that barcelona side or had played at barcelona previously, and could easily peform that style of play. Southgate does already pick the best english players from City, Arsenal, Spurs, Brighton, but they all play different styles of play. Spurs especially. International management is about cohesion, creating a decent culture, and trying to build a team that knows each other. Southgate does that very well. Southgate has been given a very gifted group of players, but everyone of them plays in a different system.
Spurs and Brighton over Liverpool. Good lord you are deluded.@@brownistani
I think we are missing an important topic in this discussion and that is player wellness/mental well-being. Ben is an introvert and being "homesick" can take on another dimension. I'm rather disappointed no one discussed this in the video. Martin Keown was the only one who touched on it on a Talk Sports episode.
Great point, didn’t know that about Ben
the sheer exhaustion of having to socialize with peers you may be vaguely familiar or acquainted with, in a foreign place. We have all experienced feeling awkward in social situations, whether it be work/school/parties, and to have to be forced to do it for days/weeks on end and 24/7, sharing hotel rooms… it seems gruelling and exhausting. I, too, would rather stay home and not have to feel like im “on” all the time. AND combine it with ZERO playing time? The fraternizing atmosphere becomes exponentially more tiring and fake and displeasing.
Southgate took him to Qatar as an extra, he’s been one of Englands best defenders and is an ultra professional in everything he does.
We’re talking about a guy playing at the top who can cover across the backline and in midfield. Can invert, overlap and has even started underlapping. He has worked under super detailed, super demanding managers. Southgate and the England setup dropped the ball and we’ve seen signs of this with how often he’s picked players who are bang out of form to the detriment of others
Spot on, didn’t Southgate basically lie in the press conference? And why did he choose to do it on the day Ben receives his new contract?
It was an unpleasant thing to do and it he lied re the Steve Holland issue. Southgate is a poor poor coach and for someone who apparently brings people together.
Southgate continues pick substandard players,his favourites and it’s a scandal. Ben is miles better than Maguire, imagine Stones alongside White!
@@Cafez27 the whole Steve Holland thing is murky, I think technically he didn’t lie because either A) It’s not just about any disagreement with Steve Holland and that’s just a contributing factor B) Arsenal/Ben haven’t fully revealed all the motivations behind why he doesn’t want to play
It’s a tough one - I think like James said, Arsenal announced the contract to coincide with Southgate discussing selection. The fact that Edu has spoken to John McDermott suggested to me that there was some unofficial discussions around potentially selecting Ben for the long list. Arsenal have communicated in an official manner and England have responded in kind
I agree though - Southgate has fucked this one up and where he fucks up the most ironically is with player integration which was one of his positives. It wasn’t so bad when we weren’t blessed with options, but now we are he’s struggled. If he was relying on favourites to execute a complex football ideology you could perhaps understand it. But I often feel it’s actually simple pragmatism that creates the dilemmas. We should be exploring what a midfield 3 of Rice, Bellingham and Foden looks like but we all know we’ll see Henderson next to Rice because he’s too pragmatic. Another manager would be looking defenders comfortable to step in next to Rice and England to play on the front foot. But he won’t
White is overated 😂
@@jameshall9654 hi there I agree with nearly all of this….
The Steve Holland thing isn’t murky in my mind we have the piece by Daniel Taylor and Jack Pitt-Brooke at the at the Athletic and highly credible source. They categorically report there was a row with Steve Holland in front of teammates.
Southgate has denied their isn’t an issue between Ben and Steve, when there clearly is, as it was likely a contributing factor Ben leaving the WC as well as not featuring when lesser favourites were getting starts.
Southgate has been disingenuous. I’m unsurprised the main stream media have gone for Ben rather than Gareth who is a truly awful coach. Thanks goodness for the new media!
Why would I want to leave my summer break to spend time cooped up with people i don't get on with (Southgate / Holland) only to spend the entire time bench warming for players who are picked for favouritism rather than ability. For the possibility to maybe possibly play if I'm lucky? Sod that. That sounds miserable. Personally, I would have to think very hard about joining up even if I was guaranteed a starting spot if it meant having to spend time around people I can't stand. Fully behind Ben White on this
He values his free time
As a United Fan...I DONT BLAME BEN WHITE AT ALL, Most people ive spoken to, side with Ben...imagine being expected to be happy being a Benchwarmer because the reward is just being called up, Nah...We all probably can guess England start 11 regardless of what happens during the season, in relation to form...
England are going no where under Southgate. Whatever happened with England and Southgate's coach was enough for him to tell them he's not interested. Who cares? He's allowed to do that. SOuthgate will continue to pick Henderson and Sterling based on.....well nothing.
fall at the final hurdle ..again
he picked manoo based on nothing and many others
"Play for England" I would argue is a misnomer, when the reality is he'd be sat on the bench while Maguire is playing a full 90.
Not to mention, he's probably the player who is most in simpatico with Saka, the nailed on RW for England. Southgate's favouritism has come back to haunt him.
@@sensibility1174 What other RW players do England have? I would argue Arsenal took the chance on Saka, as opposed to Southgate.
lol when most of the league are laughing at a guy like Maguire and Ben misses out to a hack like him of course he is not interested.
Not 1 of u men’s even mentioned the FACT that when Ben travelled with the squad he sat BENCH for a player(MAGUIRE) that hadnt even had much mind for his own club team. THATS DISGUSTING!! Bless Up Benny Blanco💯🙏🏾
Poor analysis. Southgate pretending that he doesn't know why Ben left the training camp, then made himself unavailable for selections is pure bs. And the media should be highlight that. So, Southgate didn't think to ask? If Arteta said he knows why Ben left, how can Southgate not know....really.
Southgate's assitant manager berates Ben White in front of witnesses .And Southgate states his assistant manager didn't have a fallout with Ben . To me that would indicate Southgate is either a Liar and or a fool for not knowing the truth. AN INQUIRY INTO THIS SOULD BE STARTED . IF GUILTY Southgate should be removed as England Manager.
And yet the other players that were there don’t have a problem. Solve that mystery 🤷♂️
Ben White is a professional footballer who is contracted to play for Arsenal, there is no contractual obligation for him to play (or sit on the bench for Egland).
It is entirely his decision, so I do not see what the fuss has been about and if Southgate is feeling aggrieved that White doesn't want to play for him he needs to look in the mirror and admit that he has probably brought White's no play decision on himself.
Southgate has McGuire so why does he need Ben? I’d feel exactly the way Ben feels. Southgate should take a look at the mirror.
Let's be honest, he wants to play for England - just not Southgate. For a manager who is ultimately risk averse and has clear favourites (regardless of form) I can sympathise with White. He's behind Walker, TAA and Trippier and probably still not got guarantees of game time.
Look. No one likes Southgate. Hence everyone is backing Ben white. It’s just the default position most people will take. It’s not due to shifting times.
I should be MORE EXCITED than ever to see our English team perform in a major tournament. We have the best set of genuinely world class players I’ve seen in a long, long time.
However, I am sorta DREADING the tournament. Because I think Southgate is going to make stupid decisions and squander the talent and not get the most out of them. That really is a shame. Selection, tactics, subs in crucial moments, setup, chemistry - most people think he gets it wrong. He’s had the easiest runs in tournaments and that’s the only thing that has meant England has done well recently. They have, in fact, underperformed.
Majority of the country says Southgate out and has been saying it for a long time. I don’t even understand why he’s still here and why we’re stuck with him. Who decides if he gets to stay or go?
I don't know who all these people are your talking about are. Myself and others I know realize Southgate has done the best job with England since we won the world Cup since 66. QF, SF and Final. We use to go out in the groups or first round of every tournament or not qualify at all. People don't realize how consistently shit we were, and now we're consistently challenging people aren't happy we don't win a cup competition every two years. Fucking delusional
Not even remotely needed to be discussed
prefer maquire...
Don’t see what the fuss is about. Ben White is currently being trained by a world class manager at club level and his actions show he clearly doesn’t rate Southgate and his coaching staff. If more players did this it might put some pressure on the FA to stop accepting mediocrity and ditch Southgate and let someone else have a go.
If Harry Kane said he didn’t want to be selected for England at the moment, I guarantee the pressure would be on the England management and not the player
Honestly, southgate is BSing. Ben White doesnt want to play for Southgate or his assistant coach. I dont blame White. Who would want to play for a toxic management team like that. In addition, who would want to play in an International friendly especially when its the business end of the season and your club is in contention? They are a total waste of time. A final distinction needs to be made, saying that he doesnt want be be selected by Southgate doesnt mean he doesnt want to play for England. Can anyone see the difference? At least he didnt feign injury.
The fact Southgate hasn’t once thought to try and play Ben White in his legitimate position (CB) over Harry maguire just shows how inept he has become in the manager role.
A CB pairing of stones and White has amazing ball playing potential, they are both incredibly versatile too,
Finally a mature discussion around the topic.
Though, stop disrespecting Burley, Reading, Forrest and Luton 😂
Excellent content - professional sound etc..... congrats
Thank you. What a fantastic episode........unlike the ones that I have heard so far on the same topic. I support Ben White for his decision....... whatever the motivation...... it's his decision to make and we don't know the whole story. Also a big shout out to Arsenal for supporting him.
The main media (Sky, Talksport, TNT) struggle to acknowledge that Gareth Southgate is unpopular and won't acknowledge that players don't believe in him as a manger
This is great content and a great discussion. Good contributions from everyone.
Since when do players ring up international manager? Dont players wait for the manager to make the decision, hence why it is "the call up"?
Yes it was curtesy call to stop a call. Edu just actias his agent. Him calling Southgate directly would have been weird.
@@virupakshawalla5734 it would be very presumptuous
@@TheKh65 indeed. O'Neil saying he should have called etc. Its a nonsense. Its like honour list. They gey in touch first to save embarrassment of rejection. Ben wasn't called last time so wants them to know don't bother calling me for friendly at vital part of season to rest onevof your favourite players. Edu didn't call Southtwit directly. Its called back channel. You don't put that stuff out publicly. Southgate head is up his back passage. If they win Euros it will be despite him.
I think he’s not playing for 3 reasons: no pitch time, managed by liars, managed by a manager who has never won anything, as a manager and just a league cup as a player doesn’t provide a good ground for respect.
Sit in the bench and watch Harry play 😂😂😂😂
top podcast guys, good discussion.
Even Ben White can see through the foolishness from waistcoat. Why bust your ass only to sit on the bench because waistcoat is going to go with his favourites regardless of form or not?
Get some rest, and continue to play a role in the Arsenal Prem title charge.
Would have been very interesting to see the same peoples reaction if it was rashford or sterling or saka instead of Ben white refusing to play for England🤔
I see what you did there. Truth.
Sterling would’ve been Crucified 100 times over
Yeah but they're playing. They're in the bubble as it were.
He must think there is literally nothing he could do to take Maguire's place (similarly, there's nothing Maguire could do in a negative sense that would make Southgate remove him, including long periods not playing for his club, with Southgate giving Maguire game time to compensate for not playing for United, which is like living in upside down world. Southgate has decided to gift the 2018 squad who put his name on the map permanent places in the team/squad as a sign of loyalty. Small club mindset (which is where Southgate should be managing).
Seriously? You’re holding Roy Keane up as a good example? He literally walked out on Ireland on the eve of the 2002 WC for falling out with his manager.
No he fell out with the manager along with the FAI. Keane was upset from the moment he got on the plane as the players were flying economy while the coaching and admin staff were in first class.
@@andrewbryce2707He left over his row with McCarthy, when McCarthy accused him of faking an injury.
Great broadcast guys.
Reminds me of Nikola Jokic. Great pro. Won the championship with Denver. Deuces the team. But it is a job. He does no interviews. Isn’t on social media. Goes back to Serbia in the summer. Just does the job really well.
next time you bemoan footballers or managers for giving boring stock media trained answers, remember how one comment about not wanting to take your work home with you has followed White around. Absolutely ridiculous.
For me itjust adds to my feeling that no England manager should be in post for as long as Southgate has been, he's about 2 or 3 years past his use by date at this point.
Inevitably managers have their favourite players, those who they see as fitting in with their system and who they get on with. Over time other players realise it doesn't matter what they do they're not going to play and lose motivation, at club level they can agitate a move or not sign a new contract, at internatoinal level they have the choice not to turn up. If the favourites are genuinely the best and playing well then the back up's can probably live with it, not many strikers over the last x-years will have thought they genuinely deserved to play over Harry Kane. But if the favourites are clearly failing and out of form or not even playing for their club then that's going to de-motivate the squad players. Changing manager means that the back ups have more motivation, the new coach may play a different system and want something else from their players and just have a different personality, which can all mean a better chance of playing and a period to impress.
In the end though there are always good players who don't end up playing as much as they possilby should for their international teams for whatever reason, be it the manager, sytle of play, or having generational tallent ahead of them in their position, and Ben White may well end up as one of them.
I think they touched on it only a little bit, they mention that it might be about ego, but it’s also about expectations, white might or might not accept a bench role like coady or ramsdale, but importantly if he was told that he would be rotation or squad player and expect to get some minutes then gets his expectations betrayed it would be a huge reason not to want to get called up
Ben White deserves respect, He is doing a fantastic job as a player, A true professional 👏
He deserves nothing, he gets paid well to do a good job. It’s the minimum
He doesn't want to play for a League 2 quality defensive coach. How is that going to help his career?
Fair play to him. Giving his position to someone who really wants to be there. It’s not like he turned up and didn’t put any effort in.
Ben White has his reasons, the media need to lay off him!
Stones play 5 matches per season, always makes the team regardless, Harry Maguire was a calamity dor the better part of 3years, he was first name on the team for Southgate every single time, i dont begrudge White for not wanting to play at this time
Times have changed for certain. From what we now know Fabio Capello he wasn't a great people manager. Rio Ferdinand has gone on record saying that he isolated certain players, was distant, didn't work on team spirit etc.
You could even argue that Capello tactically made huge mistakes considering the quality of the squads he had available to him. But we don't know of any players who refused to play for him as a manager. I don't criticise his decision but like a said times have changed
Because he was treated dispectfully. Respect to him.
I really wish he would play for England, but he will never start under Southgate despite him being on the same wave length as Saka and his huge crossing potential. And if Southgate wanted a solid defender who can still overlap and cross to Harry Kane who is very prolific, it would be better playing him that TAA.
You guys have completely ignored the fact that Southgate does not necessarily pick the best players on form to his England team. Look at for example Barkley, he is playing with a relegation struggling team and putting in performances week in week out. James ward prowse, he has his favorites and is tactically a good manager. The sooner he leaves the better it is for the England team.
The analysts were very brilliant!
Nobody's gonna mention that Southgate lied? No? Okay then.
John Stones and Ben White as Cbacks...not bad..but Southgate keeps picking out of form Maguire...
The most balanced discussion ... ever 😊
He's honest in saying he doesn't want to go and that suits everyone, short and long term.
Would like to see that honesty more often.
The title feels grammatically incorrect. I know it isn't, but just moving one word makes it read so much better imo.
For gods sake, Southgate was asked a direct question and he a gave a clear and honest answer. This is not on Southgate, so the press should stop gaslighting.
That was a clearly planted question
@@010101110100multiple right backs are injured. White is fit and in form. Why wouldn’t his omission be questioned
Nice work chaps
It’s obvious Southgate is loyal to certain group of players within his squad’s. If I know I’m better than Harry Maguire, Jordon Henderson, and these players keep getting picked ahead of me. Why bother? Plus in that tournament after clearly winning the group, he didn’t even feature him in the last game, just to add some playing time to his Cv, as a World Cup player.
Nice wallpaper, James
Ben White is exposing Southgate for his bias and favouritism on certain players that we know are always chosen and play whether they're in form or not
Trent, James, Trippier and Walker. Which of these players has Ben white outperformed over 5 years🤷♂️
Was there as much fuss when Charlie George told England to sod off back in 1976?
Is it a duty? Seriously? Football is not war. It's an entertainment.
Relieved is an understatement
If he doesnt want to play for England then move on. Englands chances of success arent going to be determined by a right back who wont even play, especially one that doesnt really seem too bothered about the national team
Calling out mentality & then naming players like Connor Coady ?? 😂
That's the best you got ??
Yeah. Definitely a mentality thing. Ben White has ELITE mentality.
No he doesn’t
Southgate showed he'll hang any player out to dry if it benefits him. Such a weak a feckless way to handle it. That manager doesn't deserve Ben White. Also, any brand trying to profit off it is stupid and shameless.
What’s crazy is when Southgate said nothing, he was constantly criticised for it. Now he has addressed the elephant in the room he’s ’hung him out to dry’ English people are fu*king miserable and cannot be pleased
Who wants to be part of that team when Maguire Henderson tripper and even Walker declining this year starts just common sense.
The furore of people like Harry Redknapp and Danny Mills is just lazy witch-hunting based on their narrow-minded perspectives. The irony of it all is that the guy doesn’t play. He isn’t first or second choice in any position and knows it. Why should he want to go and be less than a back up when he isn’t even extremely keen on the environment St George’s?. By accounts from Arsenal he’s a top professional and it’s clear that there’s elements of the England framework that don’t echo this. White doesn’t fit Southgate’s defensive preferences where he likes cbs suited to a deep block and for the people that will bring up Stones to contest that they should be reminded that even Stones had a period out in the cold under Southgate. At rb he has little chance of dislodging Walker and again the possession style that Ben White so good at is alien to the coaching philosophy of Southgate.
This whole "debate" exists to for people who crave an Arsenal roast and who are going to hate on anything Arsenal-related.
Sorry normally like your stuff but this is a misleading title. Its a rambling discussion about Ben White not the reason hes pissed with Southgate.
I Saw question mark (?) at the end meaning it was question
They literally explained what is reported to have happened between White and Steve Holland.
👍 "Under this manager" being the key phrase.
This happened with Vardy, too. There's something off with the coaching in this team.
5:41 I’m an American Arsenal fan and this is 100% the case at the moment. I’m fine if he plays in the euros but for friendlies, I’d love it if everyone was back and resting.
I am not an Arsenal or England fan, I am a Milan fan. This is the result of good players being left out for worse players. Tomori has been incredible for us, and yet he doesn't get called up. With all due respect, Tomori has played at a much higher level than most English CBs. Konsa? Dunk? Braithwaite? Maguire? It is absurd. This is the result of Southgate and his loyalty. I have no love for England, but England is one of the strongest squads in Europe and Southgate has underachieved with the talent at his disposal.
He's a terrible manager, this Ben White fiasco is his doing.
Agree with you about Tamori, he is in direct competition with Maguire and is overlooked despite form.
But Ben white plays in position where england have most depth. Don’t see where he was unfairly omitted
You are also talking about a man who doesn’t like watching football, taken to a tournament just for a front seat to see the games? Miss me with that.