Wowww. This is amazing. So you've basically taken the MBTI model and interpreted it to fit into the gaming world. You even made up your own words. This is innovative actually and I could see why people would mistype you as an INTJ.
I've been an INTJ my entire life took several Myers Briggs exams over the years to measure and see if it's changed, which it never really did. Your explanations here are amazing, just so spot on. It took me a long time to find my "extravurted thinking," but it's helped immensely to function as an adult.
I almost universally play as some kind of moderately nature-oriented, distance weapon-wielding (with a back up melee), stealthy character with varying use of magic (depends on the aesthetic I want and the type of game I'm playing). I love nature, not getting too into the deep of things, and being mostly well-rounded with plenty of contingency options.
Into the fray. I don't like aggressive situations. Sometimes it's because it's more fun to be elusive, and other times it's because (in real life as well) after a point it gets too hard to keep up mentally and--you called it--the berserker comes out. And in game I'll be annoyed afterward because I had to use too many potions when I wanted to conserve my resources, even if I didn't have to (I hoard resources just in case).
7:22 that literally described my life. "You should listen to me" included, lol. Fantastic work explaining it and a very creative use of the RPG analogies and metaphors. Kudos!
BRILLIANT! Never heard the cognitive functions explained so well, nor heard my stacking reviewed in an identifiable way (coming from a non-gamer; took me 7 min to get ‘RPG’)
@GeekPsychology - you stated why at 13:54: explanations with vivid, relatable metaphors and a clear structure. You have an integrated understanding of cognitive functions making you an effective teacher (rather than simply relaying information). You’ve chosen relevant attributes for each role (instead of an all-inclusive list) so the model is user-friendly. The mental representations for each role are clear and lacks ambiguity. Excellent structure where the hierarchy is consistent and each part relates to the other in predictable and understandable ways. Anyone can build a model but it is REALLY hard to build one that works at every level. Yours does. Very impressive!
When I play RPGs, I usually enjoy playing mystical, spiritual characters like clerics or monks who are communing with their deity or deep into their clerical studies most of the time. They get into a zen like state where they get visions of the future, see everything as if from above and analyze things from another perspective. They see things from an eternal point of view that their deity shares with them. They want to help people carry out their role in the big picture that their patron deity imparts to them and to achieve the goals of the adventuring party. They prefer to stay back from the thick of battle while buffing the fighters and berserkers etc. who are in the front lines. When I can get my character's wisdom, intelligence and charisma to be the highest ability scores, I'm glad. Yeah, the guys who always seem to want to go berserk and just dive in without a plan do drive me nuts in games and in life. But, I try to buff him, heal his wounds etc. as he's diving into the fray.
I've always related the most to the Ranger class in D&D and now I understand why. Waiting for the perfect shot, studying the most efficient way to hunt, getting into a reckless rage when I'm infuriated, its hilarious how this fits me so well. Unfortunately, I've been in a long term Ni-Fi loop for most of my life (just turned 18) so I never managed to use my talents well enough to actually become outstanding. I'm definitely going to start moving though! I'm tired of my shell.
Well this fits in nicely with my gamified version of the world where every new interaction starts a new quest line that you can follow or abandon, every effort builds up exp for whatever skill you are developing and that moment where you realize you've improved is you leveling up (At lower levels you level up insanely fast and can easily see your progress). While leveling up a single skill can do good, its generally better to develop multiple skills that work well together, or to surround yourself in people who can cover for your weaknesses. Jobs and career paths are like specialized, evolving classes that requires multiple high leveled or maxed out skills and hours of grinding to unlock . If you're think of pulling long hours to impress your boss / studying to get into that uni or building a portfolio to land a job, it can be pretty daunting or feel like a waste of time, but if you can see it as grinding for a class upgrade, it somehow feels easier. Dunno, this works for me when I'm in work mode, evaluating myself and trying to figure out what to work on in my spare time.
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resonates perfectly to an INTJ like me. I don't know though about other INTJs... but I would definitely choose an elf wizard rather than an elf archer for my party's main hero.
If only more people knew about our Alphys/Noelle/Ickis/Leonard side! Pop culture portrays us as being inherently Sheldon-like, confident and authoritative, when a lot of us are actually more like Leonard. Or maybe we're a mix of both. We've got Sheldon's style of "Nerdular Nerdance" (Strong Bad fans, represent!), but the vulnerable part of us is more like Leonard (hence the inferiority complex a lot of us struggle with). That's more true for "turbulent" INTJs rather than "assertive" ones (if you like that dichotomy which some don't). In Borderlands terms, it's like this: Tannis (Ni), Roland (Te), Gortys (Fi), Brick or Krieg (Se). We probably also have a GLaDstone side to us - the flipside to our confident Jeff side (from Earthbound). But which Stranger Things character are we? 18:10 See also Brick or Krieg from the Borderlands series. Oh! Oh! Oh! Did you ever watch Krull? The Glaive from Krull was used briefly in Ready Player One. 20:19 Let's play Bunkers and Badasses!
I am uncertain how much time should be left quibbling the morality of an action and even less certain how the impact upon others is relevant, intimate friends & companions excepted, of course. Compassion & empathy can be a hindrance in excess and cause their own sorts of damage. Imagine raising a garden in which you refused to pull a weed or prune a branch due to an overload of empathy. Real world scenarios may be seen in parents who want to be a friend & become a less effective mentor or role model.
I struggle with management of my students often because I come off as a friend more than someone who will discipline them. Not because I want to necessarily. It's more of a compulsion :P Leaning too far to any end will cause problems, for sure. That's why I like to think of all these cognitive functions as characters with voices trying to be heard and quests to be had.
I am also an INFP Enneagram 9. I too get mistyped as INTJ by a lot of people, especially xNTJs when they are first getting to know me. I have wondered if I am secretly an INTJ who identifies really hard with their Fi, but it's become clear to me over time that Fi is the clear driver. After all, I've also thought I might actually be an INFJ, INTP, and ENFP respectively at different times in my life. That in and of itself is evidence I am an INFP--INFPs tend to question their type more than any other type no matter how far down the Jungian typology rabbit hole they go because one of the defining characteristics of INFPs is that we are constantly pursuing deeper understanding of identity and systematically reevaluating our conclusions to make sure they are still valid. I have several close friends who are xNTJ and they all thought I was an INTJ toward the beginning of our friendship and have learned how different we really are over time. A PSA to all of you TJs: Fi is not Fe. Even when FI is a dominant function, I am not necessarily going to come across soft and squishy and and emotively forthcoming. I likely will not fit all of the stereotypes of what an "emotional" person is like, even as a woman. I am, however, fantastic at emotional aikido. What I may appear to be is a bit scatterbrained. My decisions may seem spontaneous and not make a lot of Te sense, but they will be effective for my own personal and private objectives. You will likely find bursts of creativity and ingenuity if you talk to me, and will find me very knowledgeable in subjects that interest me. I'm good at creating and making stuff, but I will go about it differently and emphasize different parts of the creative process than you INTJs will. All of this is due to Fi Ne Si. Geek Psychology: what is your Enneagram instinctual variant? I wonder if something of Enneagram 9-ness causes INFPs to grapple with or display more Te to than say an INFP 6 or 4.
@15:51 maybe more about effecting the greatest change with the least amount of action. We see it more beneficial to fire arrows that land rather then pepper the air around a target with futile attempts. I do this in FPS. Im not a sniper (even for me thats too boring) But I dont just rush to the front lines. Im more useful as a bit of a vulture, making sure my team isnt flanked. With life. I'd rather be left behind as I contemplate whether or not to jump this ciff into the water with my friends. But I'd hate to be the idiot who didnt take a second to consider their life being at risk, check for clearance and obstructions in the water. Everyone else> dives right in. INTJ: Meh whatever, I didnt want to get wet anyway. I dont have a towel etc. We dont experience FOMO its FOBI fear of bad investments
I cannot define my type between INTJ and INTP. I possess both of the descriptions and the cognitive stacks are baffling. I’ve studied both and I have no conclusion yet. It is frustrating.
The key difference is that INTPs are logical and INTJs are rational. Which means that INTPs care more about which is true and what is false while INTJs not so much, they have their belief system and their moral values which guide them about right or wrong (Fi child function). Sometimes their moral values can be misguided. So they are less logical. Another difference is that INTPs are generally interested in any and all knowledge, like literally my INTP brother would want to know how Penguins in Antarctica live their daily lives. While me an INTJ would not care so much. I'm like who cares. So INTPs are generally more knowledgeable. INTJs only read or study like really dig deep into topics they find to have practical application or some use to them.
True. I was torn between making the intuitive types "magic users" or rangers. Had to pick one! And "using your head" (Thinking) just keeps pulling me towards it being the magic using class. But that doesn't stop you from adapting it to yourself. I used to have warlocks, paladins, rogues, etc in the system, but I didn't feel that it was an empowering frame.
So summon a bound bow which will automatically replenish its ammunition a la Skyrm or imagine the ranger has a quiver which is enchanted to never empty like the one used by the drow Drizzt Do'Urden. The either/or dynamic is tiresome. Many things cannot be divided to a dichotomous choice of options. Multi-class ranger/druid/rogue for the win.
Haha, I like how you catered to the Ni's. You sold yourself as an INTJ : ). Jk, I think you ability to metaphorically relate to things is extremely Fi of you
Sherman Sniper is the perfect word,because although I'm sure much more goes on behind the scene (24/7 subconscious calculations),but what is delivered to the conscious mind is the end result,which is fine tuned. It is only as fine tuned (accurate) as the Ni dom's supporting functions allow to be stored in the data base in which Ni draws conclusions (garbage info = garbage Ni conclusions). I think eventually Ni can be somewhat logical,because I have had dreams in which I was thinking logically (something that is apparently not possible). I have repeatedly seen Ne users come to the same conclusions as me (in a roundabout way),but really Ni does the same,albeit in the background. Ni is actually quite fast if it has the relevant needed knowledge at hand. If one key piece of the puzzle is missing,then it can take years. When that one piece is found it's a eureka moment. I think all INTJs realize this (at least subconsciously) and thus their thirst for new knowledge.
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Wow I'm an INTJ, RPG fan, and world builder, and I must say this is some of the coolest, most creative stuff I've seen. Excellent work.
Thank you! I've put a lot of time into it :D
Confirmed INTJ. I almost always choose to be a thief or archer of some kind... Slow and methodical and in the shadows.
...thief first...archer becomes irrelevant if rogue has traps too.
Wowww. This is amazing. So you've basically taken the MBTI model and interpreted it to fit into the gaming world. You even made up your own words. This is innovative actually and I could see why people would mistype you as an INTJ.
Thanks :D You never know, maybe I really am an INTJ and have been extremely unhealthy my entire life! lol
Kat A. Yeah, he's an INFP cause he's too good at metaphors
+BorderLine ISFJ, INTJs are master metaphorists. We have to be in order to explain our Ni ideas.
waitaminute... he's not an INTJ?
I'm in the middle of it, and it all sounds very professional and accurate so far.
But I must confess. It's kind of hard focusing. You're TOO gorgeous.
Heryck Curioso hahahah
@@missbee9580 I agree
I've been an INTJ my entire life took several Myers Briggs exams over the years to measure and see if it's changed, which it never really did. Your explanations here are amazing, just so spot on. It took me a long time to find my "extravurted thinking," but it's helped immensely to function as an adult.
I almost universally play as some kind of moderately nature-oriented, distance weapon-wielding (with a back up melee), stealthy character with varying use of magic (depends on the aesthetic I want and the type of game I'm playing). I love nature, not getting too into the deep of things, and being mostly well-rounded with plenty of contingency options.
Awesome! What do you mean by not getting too into the depth of things?
Into the fray. I don't like aggressive situations. Sometimes it's because it's more fun to be elusive, and other times it's because (in real life as well) after a point it gets too hard to keep up mentally and--you called it--the berserker comes out. And in game I'll be annoyed afterward because I had to use too many potions when I wanted to conserve my resources, even if I didn't have to (I hoard resources just in case).
Noelle from Deltarune as a Lawful Good Cleric.
7:22 that literally described my life. "You should listen to me" included, lol. Fantastic work explaining it and a very creative use of the RPG analogies and metaphors. Kudos!
BRILLIANT! Never heard the cognitive functions explained so well, nor heard my stacking reviewed in an identifiable way (coming from a non-gamer; took me 7 min to get ‘RPG’)
Glad it was helpful even for a “non-gamer”! What was so identifiable about it?
@GeekPsychology - you stated why at 13:54: explanations with vivid, relatable metaphors and a clear structure. You have an integrated understanding of cognitive functions making you an effective teacher (rather than simply relaying information). You’ve chosen relevant attributes for each role (instead of an all-inclusive list) so the model is user-friendly. The mental representations for each role are clear and lacks ambiguity. Excellent structure where the hierarchy is consistent and each part relates to the other in predictable and understandable ways. Anyone can build a model but it is REALLY hard to build one that works at every level. Yours does. Very impressive!
Your explanations are fantastic and really well thought out.
Thanks Patrick. Your comment really means a lot.
I love this. Everything sounded pretty on point lol. I love the buggy AI 4th function, and the bezerker Se, super true. - INTJ
Great! I'm glad you approve :) Thanks for the comment!
When I play RPGs, I usually enjoy playing mystical, spiritual characters like clerics or monks who are communing with their deity or deep into their clerical studies most of the time. They get into a zen like state where they get visions of the future, see everything as if from above and analyze things from another perspective. They see things from an eternal point of view that their deity shares with them. They want to help people carry out their role in the big picture that their patron deity imparts to them and to achieve the goals of the adventuring party. They prefer to stay back from the thick of battle while buffing the fighters and berserkers etc. who are in the front lines. When I can get my character's wisdom, intelligence and charisma to be the highest ability scores, I'm glad. Yeah, the guys who always seem to want to go berserk and just dive in without a plan do drive me nuts in games and in life. But, I try to buff him, heal his wounds etc. as he's diving into the fray.
I've always related the most to the Ranger class in D&D and now I understand why. Waiting for the perfect shot, studying the most efficient way to hunt, getting into a reckless rage when I'm infuriated, its hilarious how this fits me so well. Unfortunately, I've been in a long term Ni-Fi loop for most of my life (just turned 18) so I never managed to use my talents well enough to actually become outstanding. I'm definitely going to start moving though! I'm tired of my shell.
Well this fits in nicely with my gamified version of the world where every new interaction starts a new quest line that you can follow or abandon, every effort builds up exp for whatever skill you are developing and that moment where you realize you've improved is you leveling up (At lower levels you level up insanely fast and can easily see your progress). While leveling up a single skill can do good, its generally better to develop multiple skills that work well together, or to surround yourself in people who can cover for your weaknesses.
Jobs and career paths are like specialized, evolving classes that requires multiple high leveled or maxed out skills and hours of grinding to unlock .
If you're think of pulling long hours to impress your boss / studying to get into that uni or building a portfolio to land a job, it can be pretty daunting or feel like a waste of time, but if you can see it as grinding for a class upgrade, it somehow feels easier.
Dunno, this works for me when I'm in work mode, evaluating myself and trying to figure out what to work on in my spare time.
I like your channel man. Lots of good content. Very useful.
I like your name! Happy to serve :D Thanks for the comment
Thanks for explaining how to grow my escort... I've been tryong to figure out how to use it for weeks now and I found you randomly. Been searching for it but only found it with you. Thanks!
resonates perfectly to an INTJ like me. I don't know though about other INTJs... but I would definitely choose an elf wizard rather than an elf archer for my party's main hero.
This is incredible, great work, keep it up - INTJ
If only more people knew about our Alphys/Noelle/Ickis/Leonard side! Pop culture portrays us as being inherently Sheldon-like, confident and authoritative, when a lot of us are actually more like Leonard. Or maybe we're a mix of both. We've got Sheldon's style of "Nerdular Nerdance" (Strong Bad fans, represent!), but the vulnerable part of us is more like Leonard (hence the inferiority complex a lot of us struggle with). That's more true for "turbulent" INTJs rather than "assertive" ones (if you like that dichotomy which some don't). In Borderlands terms, it's like this: Tannis (Ni), Roland (Te), Gortys (Fi), Brick or Krieg (Se). We probably also have a GLaDstone side to us - the flipside to our confident Jeff side (from Earthbound). But which Stranger Things character are we?
18:10 See also Brick or Krieg from the Borderlands series. Oh! Oh! Oh! Did you ever watch Krull? The Glaive from Krull was used briefly in Ready Player One.
20:19 Let's play Bunkers and Badasses!
Enjoyed listening to your explanation 👍
Brilliant!
Well done.
Thank you.
from l2 perspective correct always dark / light elf archer and ghost rider
Absolutely amazing
I am uncertain how much time should be left quibbling the morality of an action and even less certain how the impact upon others is relevant, intimate friends & companions excepted, of course.
Compassion & empathy can be a hindrance in excess and cause their own sorts of damage. Imagine raising a garden in which you refused to pull a weed or prune a branch due to an overload of empathy. Real world scenarios may be seen in parents who want to be a friend & become a less effective mentor or role model.
I struggle with management of my students often because I come off as a friend more than someone who will discipline them. Not because I want to necessarily. It's more of a compulsion :P
Leaning too far to any end will cause problems, for sure. That's why I like to think of all these cognitive functions as characters with voices trying to be heard and quests to be had.
LOVE The fantasy rpg explanation. Got me thinking if my many houers of DND papper and Pen time mig actualy helpt me explore my weaker side.
By The way, INTJ and love to play that dwarf :)
I am also an INFP Enneagram 9. I too get mistyped as INTJ by a lot of people, especially xNTJs when they are first getting to know me. I have wondered if I am secretly an INTJ who identifies really hard with their Fi, but it's become clear to me over time that Fi is the clear driver. After all, I've also thought I might actually be an INFJ, INTP, and ENFP respectively at different times in my life. That in and of itself is evidence I am an INFP--INFPs tend to question their type more than any other type no matter how far down the Jungian typology rabbit hole they go because one of the defining characteristics of INFPs is that we are constantly pursuing deeper understanding of identity and systematically reevaluating our conclusions to make sure they are still valid.
I have several close friends who are xNTJ and they all thought I was an INTJ toward the beginning of our friendship and have learned how different we really are over time.
A PSA to all of you TJs: Fi is not Fe. Even when FI is a dominant function, I am not necessarily going to come across soft and squishy and and emotively forthcoming. I likely will not fit all of the stereotypes of what an "emotional" person is like, even as a woman. I am, however, fantastic at emotional aikido. What I may appear to be is a bit scatterbrained. My decisions may seem spontaneous and not make a lot of Te sense, but they will be effective for my own personal and private objectives. You will likely find bursts of creativity and ingenuity if you talk to me, and will find me very knowledgeable in subjects that interest me. I'm good at creating and making stuff, but I will go about it differently and emphasize different parts of the creative process than you INTJs will. All of this is due to Fi Ne Si.
Geek Psychology: what is your Enneagram instinctual variant? I wonder if something of Enneagram 9-ness causes INFPs to grapple with or display more Te to than say an INFP 6 or 4.
INFP 9-4-5 sp/sx/so
@15:51 maybe more about effecting the greatest change with the least amount of action. We see it more beneficial to fire arrows that land rather then pepper the air around a target with futile attempts. I do this in FPS. Im not a sniper (even for me thats too boring) But I dont just rush to the front lines. Im more useful as a bit of a vulture, making sure my team isnt flanked. With life. I'd rather be left behind as I contemplate whether or not to jump this ciff into the water with my friends. But I'd hate to be the idiot who didnt take a second to consider their life being at risk, check for clearance and obstructions in the water. Everyone else> dives right in. INTJ: Meh whatever, I didnt want to get wet anyway. I dont have a towel etc. We dont experience FOMO its FOBI fear of bad investments
I cannot define my type between INTJ and INTP. I possess both of the descriptions and the cognitive stacks are baffling. I’ve studied both and I have no conclusion yet. It is frustrating.
The key difference is that INTPs are logical and INTJs are rational. Which means that INTPs care more about which is true and what is false while INTJs not so much, they have their belief system and their moral values which guide them about right or wrong (Fi child function). Sometimes their moral values can be misguided. So they are less logical. Another difference is that INTPs are generally interested in any and all knowledge, like literally my INTP brother would want to know how Penguins in Antarctica live their daily lives. While me an INTJ would not care so much. I'm like who cares. So INTPs are generally more knowledgeable. INTJs only read or study like really dig deep into topics they find to have practical application or some use to them.
not a mage? I'm always mage or warlock. I don't like that you can run out of arrows - mana refills itself.
True. I was torn between making the intuitive types "magic users" or rangers. Had to pick one! And "using your head" (Thinking) just keeps pulling me towards it being the magic using class.
But that doesn't stop you from adapting it to yourself.
I used to have warlocks, paladins, rogues, etc in the system, but I didn't feel that it was an empowering frame.
So summon a bound bow which will automatically replenish its ammunition a la Skyrm or imagine the ranger has a quiver which is enchanted to never empty like the one used by the drow Drizzt Do'Urden.
The either/or dynamic is tiresome. Many things cannot be divided to a dichotomous choice of options. Multi-class ranger/druid/rogue for the win.
I too have always been a mage player since magic tend to be more creative
my thoughts exactly. I would have chosen a wizard.
Dude thanks for this, I’m an intj, a lot of what you said rings true.
Can you SEE what's going to happen with romance? :)
oh, that thing where you go: conclusion=option one plus 3 plus 5 divided by 12 and then that thing may or may not happen? THAT?
+billiegirltoo Thanks for trying anyway! Best of luck finding a channel or method that works for you :)
INTJ is the dungeon master (period, full stop).
As an Elf Hunter, how do I slay the dragon if I ran out of arrows and potions? Plz, show me, Lord. Haha, this reminds me of Warlords Battlecry 3.
+Frank Derms You stop trying to do it alone and you start trusting your Cleric or Geomancer Companion ;)
I wanna become an assassin like in Assassin's Creed franchise instead.
Love that series.
But, you know, maybe I could become an Elf Hunter with Assassins abilities instead.
Great Video! Keep it up!
Had to fast forward to the RPG character because you thought that I was a fucking noob.
choose anything other than a assassin or sniper , retake the test.
But Zer0 and Mordecai both rawk!
I'm an INTJ and I chose Roland and Maya.
@@JuanSolo9 I have at least two of each character in Borderlands 1 and 2. Not yet in The Pre-Sequel, though.
Any INTJ Aspie's here?
Rogue apostrophe alert!
Haha, I like how you catered to the Ni's. You sold yourself as an INTJ : ). Jk, I think you ability to metaphorically relate to things is extremely Fi of you
I think it's a massive desire to personify everything, mixed with an inability to explain it logically, so I find ways of connecting the ideas. :)
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Haha they sound like snipers
I still bounce between Ni being like snipers, rogues, or mystics reading the strings of fate and time... /shrug
Sherman Sniper is the perfect word,because although I'm sure much more goes on behind the scene (24/7 subconscious calculations),but what is delivered to the conscious mind is the end result,which is fine tuned. It is only as fine tuned (accurate) as the Ni dom's supporting functions allow to be stored in the data base in which Ni draws conclusions (garbage info = garbage Ni conclusions). I think eventually Ni can be somewhat logical,because I have had dreams in which I was thinking logically (something that is apparently not possible).
I have repeatedly seen Ne users come to the same conclusions as me (in a roundabout way),but really Ni does the same,albeit in the background. Ni is actually quite fast if it has the relevant needed knowledge at hand. If one key piece of the puzzle is missing,then it can take years. When that one piece is found it's a eureka moment.
I think all INTJs realize this (at least subconsciously) and thus their thirst for new knowledge.
But why are you so hawt? 🥰