He was on his way down , Ajax to Juventus then to Fulham ,then you would imagine to a lower division club , then Ferguson pick him back up for just 2 million pounds at 35 , For me that's Ferguson's best ever bargain buy . At the time the best players were going for 30 million pounds and average ones were going for 15 to 20 million pounds.
Edwin is definitely a legend for the club. I think he deserves more credit from us ( especially the 08 final) and his consistency in playing. He should be recruited to be part of the team as a CEO or in other managerial roles. He knows how to run the club and his beliefs are aligned with Erik. Rome was not built in a day... I think Edwin is the "right" person to lead us for the path.
@Messi Videos Since Man city is replicating the same kind of system of Barcelona, maybe we can follow a similar system of Ajax. It might work, who knows, lol
@@hokleung266 we need Tammy to finish the job bro. We should have kept lakaka. internet jokes aside, he was the best 9 we had since Zlatan before his injury. Cavani was a bit too slow and seasoned but with Tammy we have a true threat in the centre of the box
What? In football terms, being a ManU player is amazing in 2023. They're the 3th or 4th team in the hardest competition in all of football. If you play for ManU you are guaranteed a starting spot on your country's football team, you play Champion's League and you play multiple finals. I don't know why u imply it doesn't mean something. I would dfeinitely want to be a ManU playef
You could say that the type of players we have and signed over last few years are reflection of the Utd board … the discipline and professionalism has been severely lacking from top down
One of my five favourite goalkeepers all-time, and surely the one I loved the most on United team. I'm happy to see he's succeeding in everything he does even now.
@@jaramczerwone2270 Buffon number one, Van der Sar in 2nd, 3rd Petr Cech, 4th Vitor Baia (i think he'd be ahead of 4th place if he hadn't been injured, he was crazy for some years before that) and Pagliuca. What would be your top 5 all time goalkeepers all of you guys ?
Van Der Sar put his thumb up and winked at me when i was about 8/9 years old at a birmingham city game, he turned around from the bench during the game, seems like a cool guiy and very smart
one thing the interviewer has overlooked is the insane and immense natural talent cristiano ronaldo possesses yes he worked his ass off, but you can see from his dribbling etc he had more natural talent than 99.9% of footballers. up there with messi ronaldinho etc.
These people do it on purpose. They only ever mention his work ethic so as to disguise an insult as a compliment. Notice that he used the word "forced", insinuating that Ronaldo has no right to be considered one of the greats. The truth is that Ronaldo has always been extremely talented, which is the very reason that he caught the eye of the biggest clubs at a young age, and these fools act as if Ronaldo has never been capable of being anything more than a goal scorer. They like to just ignore the first 10 years of his career because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Naturally talented is the most cliched term in modern football. There is no such thing!! it’s all learned skill/behaviour, a toddler isn’t naturally talented at football are they?? you have to teach them how to kick the ball dribble the ball etc etc…. Even Messi was thought to score goals as a child for a reward… one of his earliest coaches gave him a biscuit/cookie🍪 for every goal he scored that was reward and motivation to score more goals.
@@michaelinho7366 wrong, natural ability is definitely a thing but u think of it in the wrong way. Natural talent isnt just comin out the womb being able to beat past defenders. Natural talent is the ability to pick up certain skills at a very fast rate. Think of it like this, naturally smart kids are not just born with more info in their brains but through reading they get to know this information but the difference with them and normal kids is that they have a natural ability to remember most of that information, which makes them more book smart naturally. Its just like football, messi and ronaldo and all the other greats, picked up on the skills in football a lot quicker than normal and were able to perfect certain things at a faster rate.
Exactly, if it was just easy as to train hard, then many other forwards would score at least 40-50 goals per season, while we don't see guys scoring that much. There are probably less than 4-5 guys doing that and maybe even lesser. Deco speaks about that too in an interview, that he doesn't agree with people seeing he's been that good just because he trains hard. He's pretty skilled, of course in United one of the assistant coaches told him to don't loose time with too much dribbling and being more consistent in front of the goal. But he was a pretty good dribbler too before that, and still showed some times that he could get passed 4-5 guys and score or assist.
I met him in 2013 Dubai. He stood and spoke to us like his mates shared stories, signed autographs he was amazed by the love yet we had the same feeling lol seemed awkward tbh but that was the greatest day of my life guy is so humble!
Great interview, with a very competent ex-football player. Enjoyed the way he did not allow the conversation to move into a direction he was not comfortable with, especially on the Ronadldo subject.
Edwin and Peter are Man Utd legends forever. Wish them nothing but the best in life! Great goalkeepers and two fine gentlemen ⚽❤️🏆🇳🇱🇩🇰 will always have a place in Manchester United supporters hearts, up the reds!!
I hate this notion that Ronaldo worked hard because he wasn’t as talented as Messi…… Ronaldo AND Messi worked extremely hard to hone and develop their skill set! Both unique and both were extraordinarily talented in unique ways!!! Maybe SAF molded Ronaldo more than Pep did for Messi, but that’s irrelevant because both of them learned and matured as players through the coaches they had and the players around them!!!! P.S. if you personally think Messi is a more talented player just say that. I have no issue with your opinion. My hero was Ronaldinho so I love Messi! But don’t discredit Ronaldo’s talent. Don’t say Ronaldo is only where he is because of hard work and help from coaches. That’s a lie. And that’s unjust. Cristiano Ronaldo is one of the most technically gifted players to ever live and embrace a football!!!! Just because you enjoy Messi’s stylistic play more doesn’t mean Ronaldo’s talent is puny and Messi is immense. Have some respect 🙏🏽
Other players know they can never be able to work as hard as Ronaldo to achieve his level, but for Messi, they know they will never be able to do what Messi does no matter how hard they work
Bro c'mon .. Ronaldo worked so much harder than Messi. Evidence? 1. Ronaldo trained his dribbling technique extensively. People call it useless tricks, but that's just being ignorant. Step-overs are very effective to get past defenders (ask R9) & to do them around your top-speed is not easy. Plus given that Ronaldo is a pretty tall dude (at least he's above average here in the US), to even move his legs that fast would require a lot of training (fast-twitch muscle fibers). Whereas Messi never needed to learn those skills; his low center of gravity helps him to be elusive against opponents taller than him. Messi definitely trained his touch, but that's just not as physically demanding as learning all those techniques are. 2. His knuckle-ball free-kick technique. This is an unorthodox way of taking free-kicks and if you ask any footballer they'd tell you its the most difficult shot to learn. The fact that Ronaldo has 60+ scored using this technique is just insane. Whereas Messi uses the orthodox technique of taking free-kicks: curling. Sure this also takes training, but its learning-curve (no pun intended) is no where close to that of the knuckleball technique. 3. Jump-height. There's no one out there (at least right now) that can jump off the ground & hang in the air as long or as high as CR7 in football. The amount of drills (box jumps, squats, other forms of resistance training) he probably does to obtain that skill must be quite impressive.
@@Gio-m I’m not doing this man. I never said Ronaldo didn’t work hard (or harder than Messi). My point is that his hard work was not the only reason for his success, as many people try to portray. Both Messi and Ronaldo had an unbelievable amount of talent. Extremely unique footballers. Just because you think Ronaldo worked harder than Messi (and I’m not disputing that claim) it doesn’t mean that’s the reason Ronaldo was successful. I would argue that Messi and Ronaldo are equally talented, just in their own ways.
@@Gio-m you’re just so far off because you didn’t actually read what I said. You’re literally arguing something that has nothing to do with that I said. Learn to interpret things properly 🤦🏻♂️
It’s quite surprising that the conversation around Ronaldo was as if he had no talent ….?? All about his hard work …. His dedication is questionable to none but of course he had great talent otherwise he would not have gone to MU in the first place ….. there always seems to be a bad smell in the air when describing Ronaldo yet everting is full of sunshine discussing Messi ….. it’s ludicrous…..
To get where Messi or Ronaldo has got you need hard work and dedication and also that something extra and that's where talent comes in as a Messi fan I'll miss the both of them now there gone I'll just say for me what always made me gravitate towards Messi more was not the amount of goals but his assists and his range of passing and dribbling to me it's unparalleled.
Everyone says it because its patently obvious. Cristiano's is a great player talent wise, but he isn't anywhere near the greats from a talent & technical aspect. He isn't a Ronaldinho, a Zidane, a Best, Cruyff, Garrincha, etc. Even Baggio, Bergkamp etc I think are far more talented. Of course hard work & mentality is #1 & he had that more than anyone. Hence why he managed to vastly out perform his 'talent class' so to speak. There is sunshine when speaking about Messi because his talent is such. Just like I smile when watching my 2 fav's ever Maradona (goat) & Riquelme. Or Henry even as a Gooner.
@@bahriboy well written and I tend to agree with most you have written, one player that seems to have been forgotten is the great George Best .. PLUS Ronaldhinio is by far better than any of them including Messi …..
Cristiano Ronaldo is just as talented. His physical attributes make him stand out compared to other footballers. His pace, dribbling. shot power. heading. frame make him bolt to the top of the .01% of pro footballers.
I Dont understand the narrative that cristiano has hard work as opposed to talent, and Leo vice versa. They are obviously both unbelievable talents and unbelievably hard workers…. There shouldn’t be an argument about this putting one above the other
Because it is true while CR7 is extremely talented there were more players with innate talent but it was his dedication to hardwork that made him who he is. While Messi is talented anomaly for sure he has worked hard but not as hard as Ronaldo in fact he had a horrible diet & didn’t take his physique seriously until recent years & is on his phone in trainings & halftimes & still perform while Ronaldo would be the exact opposite
I'm not even a United fan, but I'm sure that if Van Der Saar had been an outfield player... no... specifically a forward, with his consistency and performance levels, he would have a hell of a lot more respect than he does now. For me, one of the greats of the game.
The ending to the video with Van Der Sar's statement is the reason why we aren't top of the level for the past 10 years...our team doesn't work their socks off especially against weaker teams.
Ppl compare the obvious ... Messi v. R7 ... but there is no true comparison....each VERY different ... winger vs. CM ... dribbler vs. speed ... techically perfect vs. raw talent. Both GOATS ... both in a league all by themselves. Hell, Mbappe isnt talked about without his blazing speed ! In the end, CR7 didnt take steroids as a kid to make him grow, either 😉 CR7 ... the people's champion...and he wants the love returned....rightly so. 💥💥💥 Siiiiiuuuuuuu
Ronaldo v Messi isn't even a debate, it's not close, Messi can simply do too many things which Ronaldo is unable to. It's no shame for Ronaldo, Messi is just better than anyone else of the last 30 years. I'm too young to speak about further ago than that but of the last 30 years nobody can touch Messi.
Its very difficult for most young players to be good enough for a giant club as Man U, but being a excellent keeper, at age 35 and reaching one the best keeper in the world is even much more difficult. To bad last year wasn't good enough, but in the end he's human and perfect doesn't exist. Hope he will go to Man U. Gr from an Ajax fan, hopefully net year Man U will play for the 1st place 👊 Stay strong Edwin, Ajax Man U and many other clubs thinks of you. Hope you will get better soon.
After Peter smiechal we had van der sar, what legends they both where for us man, best keepers in the world we definitely had, everything he sais is true the excellence of level at the team was only at the top and the players here today don't have a clue what it means to wear the shirt.
I've supported United for 70 years and, IMO, Van De Sarr was the best GK we have had during that time. Through the ranks, real MU players, the best were Jimmy Rimmer, Gary Bailey, David Gaskell. To come, Harrison and Vitek .
Wages, sponsors and image rights have made players fragile nowadays. There’s no loyalty for the player to go all out! Players are trying to run their contracts out and jump ship for a better payout.
People mention the offensive players a lot on that ManU team, but their defense was where they were strongest relative to every other team. VDS, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, Neville (+Ji Sung Park when assigned as a hit man) were a very hard defense
I would say many today either already think they are before accomplishing anything or think they will be. While saying I want to be implies there is work to be done and room for improvement while the others are more of an entitled mentality.
Good clip, but just to note that despite his mentality, Jürgen Klopp never played in the 1. Bundesliga. Mainz were promoted there for the first ever time with him as manager in 2004.
We had been waiting for EVDS since 2001/2002 to join us after Barthez. Man Utd was so dodgy from 2002-2005 in the goalie position & vulnerable between the goal post. However we had to honour EVDS's wish to honour his contract with Fulham first, appreciating the Club for taking him in to EPL from the Italian Serie A. That was the same period Arsenal managed to top over us & Chelsea's glorious period of double EPL successes under the new mgr Jose Mourinho. Things changed for the better & greater when EVDS came in to stay in 2005.
What's the myth about Ronaldo's accomplishment being about less talent and more hardwork, as against that of Messi? Ronaldo was already in the Portuguese team by the age of 18. Of course, hardwork did a lot for him, but it's ridiculous to claim he wasn't naturally already a very talented player by 19,20,21 years old .
But he's not a pure naturally gifted footballer the calibre of Messi. Ronaldo like everyone says constantly working on his game, fitness, diet, everything. when most players have a some downtime he's in the gym. His game was based around speed and power he's never been elegant never been a elite dribbler and he's selfish.
@@leemc5646 Elite dribbler? Ronaldo was an elite dribbler at Man United. Else, why do you think in early 2007, he was being compared with Ronaldinho and Kaka, prompting Ronaldo to tell the media, he didn't think he was as good as those players yet. His game obviously did change when he joined Real Madrid, turning him into a sprint machine and maybe a better scorer too.
@@leemc5646 Mate, he was starting for Portugal and Manchester United at the age of 19..... How much more was he training then compared to everyone else? He was an immense talent from the jump. Plus, do you think that Messi also doesn't work on his game, fitness and diet? If you don't think he does then you're a fool.
Cruyff would be the last player to kick on goal before the match and he would always kick them in such a way that the goalkeeper could just keep it out, making sure the goalie felt invincible.
I think he will return to Man Utd. He has left his job at Ajax. He is Dutch and worked with ETH before and a legend of the club. I think ETH will request his appointment under the new ownership.
There seems to be a belief that talent is god given but hard work is something that everyone is capable of. Is it not also possible that the ability to work hard is also genetic?
This man is probably why I never really liked De Gea from the first day I saw DDG in the goal post. EVDS was so high-level, that when he stopped playing I could already see that United didn't really have a good GK anymore, and that awesome run of winning titles consistently was coming to an end. When you have a great GK, you can really just win tournaments that you have no right to win sometimes. They stop an obvious goal here, a penalty there, and that could be the difference between winning a tournament and just slightly missing out. And a good example is Argentina in the World Cup. People forget about the details, or maybe focus on Messi and the other goal scorers, but if Martinez wasn't as good a shot-stopper and PK saver like he is, Argentina would've been eliminated in the first shootout they had. De Gea is the opposite of that kind of keeper. He is just makeweight. But people like EVDS, Martinez, they actually give you an edge having them between the sticks.
I just found out about this podcast ( yes, i already subscribed). Please, please talk to Sir Alex Ferguson Im curious to see his opinion about so many many things. Waiting ....
In the early days AC MIlan destroyed him. 2004, 2005, 2007. Nesta and Maldini humiliated Cristiano. I remember it. Cristiano matured massively after that.
Olympiakos fan we were never even close to the level of United in their prime. What made United unique was mentality and stamina. Even if United were down 2 nil with 5 mins left with Sir Alex they were machines. United, Liverpool and Bayern played every second. Olympiakos has the best fans though haaaaaa.
Very smart move from Edwin to do an interview like this, makes people forget a little bit about his terrible director job at Ajax, and of course this is an open sollictation for a job at man united.
@@bruceyjustine7322 Here in The Netherlands the general consesus about him is he did not do a good job as director, it were mostly Overmars and Ten Hag who were the motors behind the success of Ajax.
@@davidcottam7431 then remember that game against West Brom when he couldnt handle a very harmless cross. the ball just went through his fingers dropping it there for us to lose 3pts
Funny how people think Cristiano was born with zero natural talent and skill. Even without the hard work he would’ve been a top player, his touch and flair were not created in the gym..
No one is saying he wasn’t gifted but they were more players with innate talent than him even said it himself it’s just no one worked as hard or consistently as him that’s why he is where he is
It's just a thing for CR's fans, so when they aware that Messi is better, they have an excuse; 'he's more talented' 🤣 CR was talented in speed, shot power and dribble, it's exciting. And after he went to Madrid, he became this robotic goal scorer, his playstyle have been boring to me.
You got to give it to the big managers how they control all these big egos week in week out and get them to play full on fergie, wenger, pep, ancelloti etc
Hard to believe this guy moved to United at age 35, and still performed consistently enough to be the best GK in the world at one time.
@Tom-vi3ji van der sar clear
He was on his way down , Ajax to Juventus then to Fulham ,then you would imagine to a lower division club ,
then Ferguson pick him back up for just 2 million pounds at 35 ,
For me that's Ferguson's best ever bargain buy .
At the time the best players were going for 30 million pounds and average ones were going for 15 to 20 million pounds.
@Tom van dar sar ,Buffon ,Peter Chec, Ike casillas , any of those 4 can claim to be the best goalkeeper in the world at that time.
@Tom-vi3jiwho the hell was talking about Buffon?
He was great but better than Buffon or casillas? Might want to get those united glasses off
It cannot be overstated how important he was to Utd. There was a massive void left behind by Schmeichel, and it was not filled until Edwin arrived.
True very true
Caroll, Howard, Barthez, Bosnich all were suspects between the sticks and cost us many times and in the crucial stages in the champs league.
@@subashgrg4666agreed, van der sar was a blessing in disguise when he arrived
Overstated*
@@saaiemedia726 ah yes, that’s what I meant. thanks 😅
A legend recognizing another legend. Both he and Cristiano are inspirational
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Edwin is definitely a legend for the club. I think he deserves more credit from us ( especially the 08 final) and his consistency in playing. He should be recruited to be part of the team as a CEO or in other managerial roles. He knows how to run the club and his beliefs are aligned with Erik. Rome was not built in a day... I think Edwin is the "right" person to lead us for the path.
I wish there was a way to have both vds and eth making decisions and in the locker room, we’d have one of the top staffs in the prem
@@Messi-Only Definitely! I think they will give us a clear vision of where we want to go in terms of restructuring the club and managing our players
@@hokleung266 very true, united and dutchmen have been an dangerous pair since the beginning of time lol
@Messi Videos Since Man city is replicating the same kind of system of Barcelona, maybe we can follow a similar system of Ajax. It might work, who knows, lol
@@hokleung266 we need Tammy to finish the job bro. We should have kept lakaka. internet jokes aside, he was the best 9 we had since Zlatan before his injury. Cavani was a bit too slow and seasoned but with Tammy we have a true threat in the centre of the box
This guy seems extremely direct and honest, very refreshing in football. No politicking or posturing, just saying what he really thinks.
That’s the Dutch way😂 Direct
He is Dutch. It is normal there.
he is dutch
Back when being a united player actually meant something
True
Now there are too much undisciplined players
What? In football terms, being a ManU player is amazing in 2023. They're the 3th or 4th team in the hardest competition in all of football. If you play for ManU you are guaranteed a starting spot on your country's football team, you play Champion's League and you play multiple finals. I don't know why u imply it doesn't mean something. I would dfeinitely want to be a ManU playef
@@maxk880there bottles outside of Ten Hag, Casemiro, Varane and Martinez the team is replaceable i don't trust them.
You could say that the type of players we have and signed over last few years are reflection of the Utd board … the discipline and professionalism has been severely lacking from top down
One of the best GKs in Football.
hahahahahaha. When he was in Serie A, he had the balls of a pussy cat. Absolutely terrible.
What a great goalie, wish we’d got him earlier. He oozed calmness and competence.
One of my five favourite goalkeepers all-time, and surely the one I loved the most on United team. I'm happy to see he's succeeding in everything he does even now.
Hey if I can ask, what is the other 4?
@@jaramczerwone2270 Buffon number one, Van der Sar in 2nd, 3rd Petr Cech, 4th Vitor Baia (i think he'd be ahead of 4th place if he hadn't been injured, he was crazy for some years before that) and Pagliuca. What would be your top 5 all time goalkeepers all of you guys ?
Goalies I saw ..
Neuer who's the Messi of goalkeepers , Van Der Sar , Buffon, Cech pre that head injury and Casillas.
@@Nhilzer for me, van der Sar, Kahn, Rogerio Ceni, Buffon, Chilavert
@@polpol1005 Great choices, Ceni was insane, the guy was scoring more than some strikers did lol.
Van Der Sar put his thumb up and winked at me when i was about 8/9 years old at a birmingham city game, he turned around from the bench during the game, seems like a cool guiy and very smart
'Hard work' is the wrong phrase!
Passion and dedication are the right ones!
I loathed whenever Arsenal had to face UTD. with this man between the bars, absolute legend. Much respect.
'Desire to protect the image of Man Utd' what a great way to put it
Defo Fergie had designed and maintained a fortress in the minds of the football world
one thing the interviewer has overlooked is the insane and immense natural talent cristiano ronaldo possesses
yes he worked his ass off, but you can see from his dribbling etc he had more natural talent than 99.9% of footballers. up there with messi ronaldinho etc.
These people do it on purpose. They only ever mention his work ethic so as to disguise an insult as a compliment. Notice that he used the word "forced", insinuating that Ronaldo has no right to be considered one of the greats. The truth is that Ronaldo has always been extremely talented, which is the very reason that he caught the eye of the biggest clubs at a young age, and these fools act as if Ronaldo has never been capable of being anything more than a goal scorer. They like to just ignore the first 10 years of his career because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Naturally talented is the most cliched term in modern football. There is no such thing!! it’s all learned skill/behaviour, a toddler isn’t naturally talented at football are they?? you have to teach them how to kick the ball dribble the ball etc etc…. Even Messi was thought to score goals as a child for a reward… one of his earliest coaches gave him a biscuit/cookie🍪 for every goal he scored that was reward and motivation to score more goals.
@@michaelinho7366 wrong, natural ability is definitely a thing but u think of it in the wrong way. Natural talent isnt just comin out the womb being able to beat past defenders. Natural talent is the ability to pick up certain skills at a very fast rate. Think of it like this, naturally smart kids are not just born with more info in their brains but through reading they get to know this information but the difference with them and normal kids is that they have a natural ability to remember most of that information, which makes them more book smart naturally. Its just like football, messi and ronaldo and all the other greats, picked up on the skills in football a lot quicker than normal and were able to perfect certain things at a faster rate.
Exactly, if it was just easy as to train hard, then many other forwards would score at least 40-50 goals per season, while we don't see guys scoring that much. There are probably less than 4-5 guys doing that and maybe even lesser. Deco speaks about that too in an interview, that he doesn't agree with people seeing he's been that good just because he trains hard. He's pretty skilled, of course in United one of the assistant coaches told him to don't loose time with too much dribbling and being more consistent in front of the goal. But he was a pretty good dribbler too before that, and still showed some times that he could get passed 4-5 guys and score or assist.
Rooney had more natural talent then Ronaldo but difference was Ronaldo work ethic
Intelligent and high quality player, Edwin represent the best of Manchester United.
I met him in 2013 Dubai. He stood and spoke to us like his mates shared stories, signed autographs he was amazed by the love yet we had the same feeling lol seemed awkward tbh but that was the greatest day of my life guy is so humble!
Awesome!
Thats nice mate!
Amazing goal keeper miss watching him play.
Great interview, with a very competent ex-football player. Enjoyed the way he did not allow the conversation to move into a direction he was not comfortable with, especially on the Ronadldo subject.
Edwin and Peter are Man Utd legends forever. Wish them nothing but the best in life! Great goalkeepers and two fine gentlemen ⚽❤️🏆🇳🇱🇩🇰 will always have a place in Manchester United supporters hearts, up the reds!!
Edwin cannot be compared to Peter!
Cannot be compared to Peter the goalkeeper who liked to get lobbed.
@leemc5646 he won the euros with his country and a treble. Did van der sar do either of those things?
I hate this notion that Ronaldo worked hard because he wasn’t as talented as Messi…… Ronaldo AND Messi worked extremely hard to hone and develop their skill set! Both unique and both were extraordinarily talented in unique ways!!! Maybe SAF molded Ronaldo more than Pep did for Messi, but that’s irrelevant because both of them learned and matured as players through the coaches they had and the players around them!!!!
P.S. if you personally think Messi is a more talented player just say that. I have no issue with your opinion. My hero was Ronaldinho so I love Messi! But don’t discredit Ronaldo’s talent. Don’t say Ronaldo is only where he is because of hard work and help from coaches. That’s a lie. And that’s unjust. Cristiano Ronaldo is one of the most technically gifted players to ever live and embrace a football!!!! Just because you enjoy Messi’s stylistic play more doesn’t mean Ronaldo’s talent is puny and Messi is immense. Have some respect 🙏🏽
Other players know they can never be able to work as hard as Ronaldo to achieve his level, but for Messi, they know they will never be able to do what Messi does no matter how hard they work
@@codytruong7049 the same thing you just said about Messi can also be applied to Ronaldo….. your statement is so ignorant 😂🤦🏻♂️
Bro c'mon .. Ronaldo worked so much harder than Messi. Evidence?
1. Ronaldo trained his dribbling technique extensively. People call it useless tricks, but that's just being ignorant. Step-overs are very effective to get past defenders (ask R9) & to do them around your top-speed is not easy. Plus given that Ronaldo is a pretty tall dude (at least he's above average here in the US), to even move his legs that fast would require a lot of training (fast-twitch muscle fibers). Whereas Messi never needed to learn those skills; his low center of gravity helps him to be elusive against opponents taller than him. Messi definitely trained his touch, but that's just not as physically demanding as learning all those techniques are.
2. His knuckle-ball free-kick technique. This is an unorthodox way of taking free-kicks and if you ask any footballer they'd tell you its the most difficult shot to learn. The fact that Ronaldo has 60+ scored using this technique is just insane. Whereas Messi uses the orthodox technique of taking free-kicks: curling. Sure this also takes training, but its learning-curve (no pun intended) is no where close to that of the knuckleball technique.
3. Jump-height. There's no one out there (at least right now) that can jump off the ground & hang in the air as long or as high as CR7 in football. The amount of drills (box jumps, squats, other forms of resistance training) he probably does to obtain that skill must be quite impressive.
@@Gio-m I’m not doing this man. I never said Ronaldo didn’t work hard (or harder than Messi). My point is that his hard work was not the only reason for his success, as many people try to portray. Both Messi and Ronaldo had an unbelievable amount of talent. Extremely unique footballers.
Just because you think Ronaldo worked harder than Messi (and I’m not disputing that claim) it doesn’t mean that’s the reason Ronaldo was successful. I would argue that Messi and Ronaldo are equally talented, just in their own ways.
@@Gio-m you’re just so far off because you didn’t actually read what I said. You’re literally arguing something that has nothing to do with that I said. Learn to interpret things properly 🤦🏻♂️
It’s quite surprising that the conversation around Ronaldo was as if he had no talent ….?? All about his hard work …. His dedication is questionable to none but of course he had great talent otherwise he would not have gone to MU in the first place ….. there always seems to be a bad smell in the air when describing Ronaldo yet everting is full of sunshine discussing Messi ….. it’s ludicrous…..
To get where Messi or Ronaldo has got you need hard work and dedication and also that something extra and that's where talent comes in as a Messi fan I'll miss the both of them now there gone I'll just say for me what always made me gravitate towards Messi more was not the amount of goals but his assists and his range of passing and dribbling to me it's unparalleled.
Everyone says it because its patently obvious.
Cristiano's is a great player talent wise, but he isn't anywhere near the greats from a talent & technical aspect.
He isn't a Ronaldinho, a Zidane, a Best, Cruyff, Garrincha, etc. Even Baggio, Bergkamp etc I think are far more talented. Of course hard work & mentality is #1 & he had that more than anyone.
Hence why he managed to vastly out perform his 'talent class' so to speak.
There is sunshine when speaking about Messi because his talent is such. Just like I smile when watching my 2 fav's ever Maradona (goat) & Riquelme. Or Henry even as a Gooner.
@@bahriboy well written and I tend to agree with most you have written, one player that seems to have been forgotten is the great George Best .. PLUS Ronaldhinio is by far better than any of them including Messi …..
It's just Jake's ridiculous philosophizing again. He thinks he is the next Tony Robbins.
Cristiano Ronaldo is just as talented. His physical attributes make him stand out compared to other footballers. His pace, dribbling. shot power. heading. frame make him bolt to the top of the .01% of pro footballers.
I Dont understand the narrative that cristiano has hard work as opposed to talent, and Leo vice versa.
They are obviously both unbelievable talents and unbelievably hard workers…. There shouldn’t be an argument about this putting one above the other
Because it is true while CR7 is extremely talented there were more players with innate talent but it was his dedication to hardwork that made him who he is. While Messi is talented anomaly for sure he has worked hard but not as hard as Ronaldo in fact he had a horrible diet & didn’t take his physique seriously until recent years & is on his phone in trainings & halftimes & still perform while Ronaldo would be the exact opposite
Ronaldo work wise is a machine.
A Terminator.
Work, work, work, and work some more.
Edwin true Dutch Utd legend
We need him back at United as a director of football.
Why?
He destroyed Ajax and takes no responsibility.
How about putting people in this position with proper knowledge and experience?
Can’t wait for van der sar to join United this season. ❤
inshallah
I'm not even a United fan, but I'm sure that if Van Der Saar had been an outfield player... no... specifically a forward, with his consistency and performance levels, he would have a hell of a lot more respect than he does now. For me, one of the greats of the game.
Cristiano is insanely talented. People need to stop deluding themselves.
The ending to the video with Van Der Sar's statement is the reason why we aren't top of the level for the past 10 years...our team doesn't work their socks off especially against weaker teams.
Ppl compare the obvious ... Messi v. R7 ... but there is no true comparison....each VERY different ... winger vs. CM ... dribbler vs. speed ... techically perfect vs. raw talent. Both GOATS ... both in a league all by themselves. Hell, Mbappe isnt talked about without his blazing speed ! In the end, CR7 didnt take steroids as a kid to make him grow, either 😉 CR7 ... the people's champion...and he wants the love returned....rightly so. 💥💥💥 Siiiiiuuuuuuu
Ronaldo is more polarising player than Messi
People champion 😅😅😅
Ronaldo v Messi isn't even a debate, it's not close, Messi can simply do too many things which Ronaldo is unable to. It's no shame for Ronaldo, Messi is just better than anyone else of the last 30 years. I'm too young to speak about further ago than that but of the last 30 years nobody can touch Messi.
Everyone talking about Ronaldo as if he wasn't already insanely talented to begin with...
To be fair, Rooney was rated higher when he joined
He wasn’t saying that it’s just there were more players with innate talent just did not have his consistency & hardwork
Its very difficult for most young players to be good enough for a giant club as Man U, but being a excellent keeper, at age 35 and reaching one the best keeper in the world is even much more difficult.
To bad last year wasn't good enough, but in the end he's human and perfect doesn't exist. Hope he will go to Man U.
Gr from an Ajax fan, hopefully net year Man U will play for the 1st place 👊
Stay strong Edwin, Ajax Man U and many other clubs thinks of you. Hope you will get better soon.
Hope everything will be fine, Edwin. Regards an Arsenal fan.
GOAT sports Man Cristiano Ronaldo ✍️
After Peter smiechal we had van der sar, what legends they both where for us man, best keepers in the world we definitely had, everything he sais is true the excellence of level at the team was only at the top and the players here today don't have a clue what it means to wear the shirt.
I've supported United for 70 years and, IMO, Van De Sarr was the best GK we have had during that time. Through the ranks, real MU players, the best were Jimmy Rimmer, Gary Bailey, David Gaskell. To come, Harrison and Vitek .
Wages, sponsors and image rights have made players fragile nowadays. There’s no loyalty for the player to go all out! Players are trying to run their contracts out and jump ship for a better payout.
Footballers are proper snakes now
It's all business, there are more Manchester United fans around the world than in England, so do you think the club owners care about loyalty.
You've done more interviews in 1 week than I did in my entire career
People mention the offensive players a lot on that ManU team, but their defense was where they were strongest relative to every other team. VDS, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, Neville (+Ji Sung Park when assigned as a hit man) were a very hard defense
Would love to see VDS back at United in some capacity.
me too
Ronaldo telling Edwin from the beginning he wanted to be the best player in the world
Makes me wonder if any of our guys now think that way ??
I would say many today either already think they are before accomplishing anything or think they will be. While saying I want to be implies there is work to be done and room for improvement while the others are more of an entitled mentality.
Haaland ..vinicius ..saka probably that's it
No they can’t think that way because they’re crap!
garnacho maybe?
@@josechavolla7186Saka una. Hee’s a bottler he’s just happy to be a professional
Would love to see him back at Man U as some capacity. Director, CEO
Think he’ll come back as a goalkeeper coach
this man needs to come back to utd
He's getting on a bit now. But they do need a new keeper.
@@bobbypukes605 he means as like a director not a player 😂😂😂
Lol
Good clip, but just to note that despite his mentality, Jürgen Klopp never played in the 1. Bundesliga. Mainz were promoted there for the first ever time with him as manager in 2004.
Such a legend ❤
What always impresses me about these interviews is how these foreigners are good at English
Great conversation
Most Dutch people can speak English at a high level
The Dutch speak better English than we do
@@bramgoeting6771 Other than ETH😂
@@jeffrman777can you speak a word of Dutch
@@bramgoeting6771not to mention he playd in England for years with Fulham and United
my favorite goalkeeper of all times
Best GK in my time watching MUFC ❤
An incredible 'keeper. At his peak, almost in the same class as John Burridge.
He is one of the greatest
Great interview, thanks
5:30 Ronaldo's goat mentality 🔥🐐
Edwin VDS ❤Legend MUFC
He a legend at all clubs he was at. Mainly ajax juve and unted
We had been waiting for EVDS since 2001/2002 to join us after Barthez. Man Utd was so dodgy from 2002-2005 in the goalie position & vulnerable between the goal post. However we had to honour EVDS's wish to honour his contract with Fulham first, appreciating the Club for taking him in to EPL from the Italian Serie A. That was the same period Arsenal managed to top over us & Chelsea's glorious period of double EPL successes under the new mgr Jose Mourinho. Things changed for the better & greater when EVDS came in to stay in 2005.
Great goalkeeper ❤️🏴👍
Legend made no fuss great keeper
Work hard and your extra abilities will shine … stayed with me.
You never new working hard was good for you till you watched a RUclips video 😂
@@MrThedonhead looool extras It was in terms of football especially with extra ability part. 😅
What's the myth about Ronaldo's accomplishment being about less talent and more hardwork, as against that of Messi? Ronaldo was already in the Portuguese team by the age of 18. Of course, hardwork did a lot for him, but it's ridiculous to claim he wasn't naturally already a very talented player by 19,20,21 years old .
It's Jake Humphries. The man is a bonafide idiot.
Or did you expect him to say anything intelligent?
But he's not a pure naturally gifted footballer the calibre of Messi. Ronaldo like everyone says constantly working on his game, fitness, diet, everything.
when most players have a some downtime he's in the gym.
His game was based around speed and power he's never been elegant never been a elite dribbler and he's selfish.
@@leemc5646 Elite dribbler? Ronaldo was an elite dribbler at Man United. Else, why do you think in early 2007, he was being compared with Ronaldinho and Kaka, prompting Ronaldo to tell the media, he didn't think he was as good as those players yet. His game obviously did change when he joined Real Madrid, turning him into a sprint machine and maybe a better scorer too.
@@leemc5646 Mate, he was starting for Portugal and Manchester United at the age of 19.....
How much more was he training then compared to everyone else? He was an immense talent from the jump.
Plus, do you think that Messi also doesn't work on his game, fitness and diet? If you don't think he does then you're a fool.
@@oluronkedasilva5373Agree mate he was definitely a elite dribbler no doubt about that
4:32 is what you're looking for
Cruyff would be the last player to kick on goal before the match and he would always kick them in such a way that the goalkeeper could just keep it out, making sure the goalie felt invincible.
Van Der sar was awesome
you can see why van der sar was hired for the business side of football, just from the way he talks and reads ppl and the game
Yeah he does, now at the same time see how ajax have faired the last year and why he's gone
Edwin Van Der Sar was interested in football from a very young age.
Ah, a Conhead!
With van Der SAR in goal,I felt United had a cheat code,that was how good he was,he peaked at united
Hard work beats quality, when Quality doesn’t work hard!!
Love how he looks like he drives with his head out the window all the time lol
Always was my favourite choice to replace Schmeichel, took too long to get here, but get here he did. Thanks Edwin.
How did he feel when Roy Keane put him in this place back then?
The way EtH treated Ronaldo poorly, We're sure VDS wouldn't have done the same!
He was the best man united goalkeeper they have ever had
De Gea is no where near as good as him
Schmeichal?
De gea is the best keeper United have ever had. ❤
@@CEO786 when did you start watching football because there is no way you were watching United during the treble
Peter Schmeichel by a mile
Man United need him as sporting director.
He is a CEO though
We don’t need van der sar we need new fresh blood to create a new elite identity.
A 22 year old Ronaldo forcing a 37 year old veteran to stand in goal. Ronaldo mentality on another level from such a young age
I think he will return to Man Utd. He has left his job at Ajax. He is Dutch and worked with ETH before and a legend of the club.
I think ETH will request his appointment under the new ownership.
inshallah
absolute legend.
4:37 Cristiano Ronaldo.
There seems to be a belief that talent is god given but hard work is something that everyone is capable of. Is it not also possible that the ability to work hard is also genetic?
This man is probably why I never really liked De Gea from the first day I saw DDG in the goal post. EVDS was so high-level, that when he stopped playing I could already see that United didn't really have a good GK anymore, and that awesome run of winning titles consistently was coming to an end. When you have a great GK, you can really just win tournaments that you have no right to win sometimes. They stop an obvious goal here, a penalty there, and that could be the difference between winning a tournament and just slightly missing out.
And a good example is Argentina in the World Cup. People forget about the details, or maybe focus on Messi and the other goal scorers, but if Martinez wasn't as good a shot-stopper and PK saver like he is, Argentina would've been eliminated in the first shootout they had. De Gea is the opposite of that kind of keeper. He is just makeweight. But people like EVDS, Martinez, they actually give you an edge having them between the sticks.
Best goalie of all time
I just found out about this podcast ( yes, i already subscribed). Please, please talk to Sir Alex Ferguson
Im curious to see his opinion about so many many things. Waiting ....
In the early days AC MIlan destroyed him. 2004, 2005, 2007.
Nesta and Maldini humiliated Cristiano. I remember it.
Cristiano matured massively after that.
LOL CR7 WAS LIKE 18 YEAR OLD TINY KID . WTF ARE YOU SAYING BRUH☠
@@rogger972 in 2005 and 2007 he was 18? Try math. He got obliterated.
@@ciaronsmith4995 man has been playing for a long time on the highest level it's crazy
Never forget his save in ucl final shootout
Olympiakos fan we were never even close to the level of United in their prime. What made United unique was mentality and stamina. Even if United were down 2 nil with 5 mins left with Sir Alex they were machines. United, Liverpool and Bayern played every second. Olympiakos has the best fans though haaaaaa.
Very smart move from Edwin to do an interview like this, makes people forget a little bit about his terrible director job at Ajax, and of course this is an open sollictation for a job at man united.
Well he didn't do bad but when you have one or 2 bad seasons people will get fired
@@bruceyjustine7322 Here in The Netherlands the general consesus about him is he did not do a good job as director, it were mostly Overmars and Ten Hag who were the motors behind the success of Ajax.
@@tom.1 it was a team work
Do we get a refund for Donny van der Beek?
...also Messi didn't have to work hard since his club was paying off the vice president of the referees since before he joined the club.
Dribble whole defenders and paying refree😅
where was this recorded?
I genuinely can't recall United letting in a goal where you thought 'Van der Saar could've done better there'.
You simply havent watched enough football mate. VdS had his moments of mistakes
@jakedvarow I had a season ticket for all the time he was there. I stick to the post, 'I' can't remember a mistake.
@@davidcottam7431 then remember that game against West Brom when he couldnt handle a very harmless cross. the ball just went through his fingers dropping it there for us to lose 3pts
@@jakedvarow Unclench.
OLD SCHOOL RULEZZZ!!!
I love the Dutch "chutzpah" 😊
Edwin a legend at ajax❌️❌️❌️
Are they suggesting Ronaldo doesn't have superior natural talent and only rose through hard work? Ridiculous to suggest he isn't uniquely gifted.
Funny how people think Cristiano was born with zero natural talent and skill. Even without the hard work he would’ve been a top player, his touch and flair were not created in the gym..
But not more gifted as messi.
No one is saying he wasn’t gifted but they were more players with innate talent than him even said it himself it’s just no one worked as hard or consistently as him that’s why he is where he is
I have never heard anybody say that Ronaldo was born with zero natural talent.
Can you tell me who said this?
It's just a thing for CR's fans, so when they aware that Messi is better, they have an excuse; 'he's more talented' 🤣
CR was talented in speed, shot power and dribble, it's exciting.
And after he went to Madrid, he became this robotic goal scorer, his playstyle have been boring to me.
Van Der Sar knows Preston una 😂😂😂
Anybody knows how to just mute Humphrey????
You got to give it to the big managers how they control all these big egos week in week out and get them to play full on fergie, wenger, pep, ancelloti etc
Come back to old Trafford edwin we could do with you with eric
i put scholes and Rooney above Christiano for talent.... Rooney was that good while also doing all the running for CR
Man Utd's new President of Football Operations.
Why is he looking like a mad scientist from an apocalyptic movie
my idol, evds