It makes you appreciate guys like Larry Bird and Allen Iverson who are the rightly considered legends and all-time greats but also have no problems giving today’s players the respect they deserve
Kobe is a guard and KD is almost 7 feet… of course Kobe would say that 🤦🏼♂️ Sheed and Rodman certainly could if PJ Tucker made life hell for KD in the playoffs last year. Nobody is dominating KD though, as he showed he can handle that physicality in 7 gm series. But KD has a variety of skills that allows him to play through physicality (sick cross, off dribble quickness, pull up contested Js, elite 3pt shooter). LeBron on the other hand, I think Rodman and Pippen would actually lock him up like 55 to 60% of the time bc his game really is one dimensional when it comes to scoring. Much like Giannis with slightly better J and much better passing.
@@NoLongerGrilling who has actually locked up Giannis, really? A whole team defensive scheme was needed, nevermind his teammates selling, and you said so, LeBron has better passing so...
The point about great players adapting, lebron came into the league with the three pointer being his main weakness but he's been in the league so long that the three became essential and he developed his game and expanded his range to the half court line. Perfect example of great players being great in any era.
@@BenDovahkin He didnt need the 3 to be an offensive juggernaut, he was already lethal in the mid-range. But Lebron needed to adapt his game cuz hes getting old, in his younger days he woulda just dunked the ball and drive but now he mainly relies on mid-range shooting and 3 pointers
@@samschott5632 You do know that the league average for 3 pointers in the NBA is 34.7%? He might not be the best but he is definitely capable of shooting a 3. You probably just got used to monsters like Steph who shoot 40+% from 3
Parish and Wilt are critical of Jordan. Jordan's team was a loser in the 80s. In Parish's defense, Jordan never won against the Celtics in any playoff game, going 0-6. Jordan only won a ring towards the end of Celtics and Lakers prime. In Wilt's defense, the league rules adjusted to accommodate Jordan's game while the league rules were adjusted to stop Wilt's game.
@@bobtwista I mean he effectively changed the league and kept it afloat . However he got criticized . People are just way to invested in their favorite players .it's tiers to this shit . The soft talk is just not someone accepting change . The players today aren't softer . That is in fact a dumb narrative or statement . I could want to do something . But if the rules don't allow it or it costs my team why would I . If another player can argue with the ref and start getting favorable calls why wouldn't I . Players are highly adaptable . They should seek out a advantage if they got it . Nothing is wrong with that . I was born in 82 . Trust me players complained in the 90' s . They also were friends back then too .
Gilbert Arenas has become one of my favorite NBA guys. He’s so level headed and genuinely funny. I’m 31 so I try to be fair to generations older or younger than me and not be bias about mine. I
People seem to forget that Lebron has played for almost 2 decades. He isn't just a current player, he's been an NBA player for more of his life than he has not.
That's mental isnt it. Most people can't even get into the NBA and LeBron has been there longer than he hasn't. I wonder how many ever achieved something like that.
You don't know Kobe! Kobe was interested in one thing and that is being THE MAN - he didn't care about winning, or the other players, he just wanted to be the man. The Lakers had a period where they appeared in 4 finals out of 5 and won 3. Kobe was dissatisfied because Shaq was the leading scorer, MVP, & focus of the offense. He threaten to leave unless they got rid of Shaq, Phil Jackson and all the rest. From that point on Kobe was the man even though the team was losing before they bounce back and then started losing again. The last 6 or 7 years Kobe & the Lakers didn't even have winning seasons but Kobe was satisfied because he was the man.
Lol it’s not a skill thing, he’ was saying they didn’t let you dunk like that over and over in that era, dude woulda contested him and it wouldn’t have been a foul (unlike Jordan’s era where he took physical punishment but he got to the line every time). But wilt is right about how the game was different in his era, the nba did not favor individual scoring, it favored team ball and defense. So a lot of the things 90’s players and Jordan did, palming the ball, “backing” ppl down, etc wasn’t allowed in wilt’s era. Like y’all imagine shaq being defended by Gordon heyward when y’all think of wilt but that’s not how the era was, they were all between 6’10” and 7 ft, and you actually couldn’t back ppl down, they would have called offensive fouls. All of wilt and kareem’s points came off actual moves and shots.
The KD thing is totally true, we've never seen a player like KD literally ever. There's been people who had similarities to superstars, few people who even literally model their game after their idol etc But we've never seen a 7ft scorer who literally has every move in his bag... Ever. When all is said and done KD will be looked back on as a top 10 of all time.
The only problem with him being top 10 all time is that he's never really won anything without a superteam. If he was such an unstoppable force, why couldn't he win with OKC, who btw had an very talented roster.
I’m an “old head” who’s 46yrs old and I approve your comment. (It irritated me to hear old heads in the 90s say Shaq and Jordan would’ve been lunch meat for Wilt and Oscar Robertson and Barry Sanders was nothing in comparison to Jim Brown…it equally irritates me to now hear dudes my age say that LeBron and Steph wouldn’t make it in the 80s and 90s).
Mythical? Legendary more like it. And with all the flopping and rolling around on the floor like they are dying now a days??? Ticky tack fouls??? Thank God for the jordan eara
@@Bosscross03yeah all the mj defender on the perimeter is a low i.q and slow moving black man or a 5"9 skinny accountant white guy like Jeff hornacek 90s era are overrated
Steph is getting buckets he gets by people cause he has handles and you have to run out on him. Hand checking ? That changes a lot cause Curry is not physically fast or athletic for Nba standards .
Bro this old heads be on crack. One dude told me that Lebron couldn’t survive the 90s because he has no skill, then he said curry would be a role player in that era because his not big enough. 🤡💀
They are saying everyone with a jumpshot would be soft in their era. Smh. Edit: Y’all talking about Lebron not having a jumper. They weren’t just talking about Lebron. They were saying KD and Curry would be soft too and last I checked, they both have a jump shot.
I used to think this was a a legit arguement until LeBron 2018 happened. That was his physical and mental game peaking at the same time. Simply, unstoppable. Could terrorise any era
@@Kylek899 that mans a combination of KD and Lebron James, but sadly got injured very early in his career , could’ve done a lot more if it weren’t for that back injury
@@miltonbrayboy1881 We need more know it all's in this world. Too many small minded folks tossing out dumb ass opinions with probably 0.02 seconds of real thought.
The fact Wallace says that and doesn't remember he played lebron that many times blows my mind and just makes me laugh when he has clearly blocked out those memories in his mind lol. Must have been traumatized from the whole experience
@@brainpink68 Lebron was 22 dude that wasn’t grown? What the heck do millennials consider a “grown ass man” 🤦♂️😂. Fukn worst most immature ass generation ever.
@Ocean Lives you can say it but is it true I think it's laughable to think that the only factor standing between Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan and their will to win a championship is whether or not they get a Dennis Rodman.
@@seun35 First 3 peat was without Rodman. He's good contributing great on the second but I don't think even without him they wouldn't have pulled it off
You know somethings wrong when Gilbert ‘let me bring a gun to my locker room’ Arenas is making the most sense out of all the legends speaking on the topic
Bro this argument is like when your parents say crap like, "I had to walk 26 miles to school every day when I was a kid. You should be able to handle this it's easy." They're embellishing themselves and no one can really disprove it.
@@hungerxhunger2548 do you not know how much 26 miles is? Sure some people maybe had to walk a mile or so but, that was probably such a minority of people.
8:54 i have so much respect for him after that comment! It's really about adapting to the era and the way they play/ed . You can't say "ah this guy couldn't shoot three's so he wouldn't do that well today" or the other way around. If someone from back then practiced shooting three's it would be a completely different story. Same way players today could adapt to the 90's playstyle . Some more, some less
It’s because Gilbert isn’t blinded by biased when it comes to the game. Saying that “Oh xxx couldn’t survive in my era because *blank blank blank* “ is the same thing as saying “Player A from the 90s couldn’t survive today’s era because they don’t have the pacing or adjustments to the speed of the game.” It’s all hypothetical and impossible to say for sure if players would be successful if they switched eras.
Yeah, and that's coming from KOBE BRYANT. Kobe may not be a big man but he's still a 12x All-Defensive Player and more importantly he's one of the smartest players to ever touch the basketball court... There's only a handful of NBA Hall of Famers who's opinion's are as rightfully respected as the Black Mamba's, Rasheed Wallace's sure as hell isn't one of them.
@@Flyhr most of Kobe's all-defensive selections are entirely due to his early days reputations. After early 00s Kobe really didn't have many all-defensive level seasons.
If you actually look at league wide scoring through time, you can see that actually the early 90s were way higher scoring than the early 2010s. The only seasons where teams average 101 points or lower per game was a continuous stretch from 1996-2015. That means most of LeBron’s career was in the lowest scoring years in NBA history. Recency bias has made us think he played in high scoring leagues his whole career.
2015-2024 is a lot of years. He’s benefitted GREATLY from the last decade. This past season, teams averaged 114 per game. 14 players scored 25 or more per game. In 2001-02, teams scored 95 per game and everyone acts like Jordan was a scrub dropping 22.9 per game (25 at the time of his injury in game 46 - him and Kobe were the only two players in the league averaging 25/5/5 at all star break). Only 6 players scored 25 or more that year. LeBron was amazing the first decade of his career… the second decade he’s benefited from an inflated offensive era.
@@Thorcat001 He's not weak minded because he cares if he wins and gets calls I can show you an entire compilation of Jordan crying to refs and sweet talking them and flopping, it's always been apart of the game and always will be apart of the game
@@Thorcat001 Jordan flopped all the time and how Is he weak minded dude is the goat if lebron weak minded jordan is too he retired cuz he couldn’t play w his coach no more
lol no one should ever take Rodman's opinion seriously. Dude is a drag queen. and he never was an nba star. he doesn't understand basketball as he thinks he does
@@HoangNguyen-sy1be 5× NBA champion (1989, 1990, 1996-1998) 2× NBA All-Star (1990, 1992) 2× All-NBA Third Team (1992, 1995) 2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1991) 7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989-1993, 1995, 1996) NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994) 7× NBA rebounding champion (1992-1998) No. 10 retired by Detroit Pistons. but leave it to hoang Nguyen to not call the worm a star 🤡🤦♂️
This argument goes both ways. On one hand you have the "old heads" saying the current superstars wouldn't survive in the old days, but at the same time, you have youngsters saying that the past generation was "plumbers and janitors" etc. Respect is a two way street. But social media is so toxic that you have dumb arguments on both sides.
I usually don't say anything but I agree completely with what you wrote here. Bias is as common in humans as hearts and lungs. Everyone has them, but we LOOOVE to assume we don't and that our "opinion" is basically factual.
Here's the thing about arguing on social media... Don't. If you have a disagreement, do it in person. There's a lot of communication that is missed when you can't see body language, facial expressions, or hear tone.
@@barfturbine2332 True. It's also very easy for people to get nasty when they are safely behind a keyboard or device. Ultimately, I don't blame the "internet" for that type of behavior. Whatever is in you as a human being, you will manifest it. A lot of people are quite unsavory on a character based level.
i saw Stephen Jackson on a show once saying Lebron wouldnt last in his era. Stephen Jackson was drafted like 5-6 years before Lebron and they were in the league for 11 years together. Anyone who thinks todays players are soft because of the way they exaggerate fouls must be slow. When you see someone bump Lebrons forearm and he goes flying just think about this: do you really REALLY think a slap on the arm would effect Lebron like that? You think it causes him so much agony that he cant go on? Of course not. They do it because they know more times than not they'll get a foul call because thats how the nba is officiated now. More foul calls = more free throws = more points = more wins = bigger contracts etc. If you took any "tough guy" from the 80's and told them they could go from scoring 17 points per game to 25+ by just exaggerating any contact they receive i guarantee they'd do it. 17 ppg guys make 25 mil a year. 25+ ppg guys make 40 mil and get shoe deals.
Your talking about today’s players who flop for fouls, but think they could handle the “Jordan Rules” era of Basketball? Players like Laimbeer, Rodman, Barkley & Shaq, who were known to be physical & flagrant!?! Not only did you have to be physically tough, but mentally as well. Jimmy said it his own self: LeBron would’ve been Karl Malone in that era. And how many championships did he win?
so the misconception in what you're stating is 5-6 years made a difference in the league. Early 2000s till mid 2000s were the last stages of a more physical era and it started changing the other way towards a softer era very quick so it kind of makes sense for stephen jackson to mention that.
@@Messiah_Black nba is the only major sports entity where such a large portion of fans are unwilling to acknowledge the fact that players are constantly improving.
@@dubsont1de I don’t know if it’s that so much, as it is the NBA relies heavily on marketing it’s best individual players more than any other team sport. The NFL doesn’t need Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen to be better than Tom Brady to sell tickets, in the same way the NBA needed LeBron & Kobe to be the “next” MJ to boost ratings. People who weren’t even a fan of basketball would come to see Jordan drop 50 pts, or watch Kobe win his 3rd Championship. A list celebs sitting court side at games made Basketball the place to be “seen” in the sports world. And because of this, there is more of a “prima donna” attitude now with basketball players more than any other athlete. You see all these big name players, constantly whining & switching teams, demanding high salaries then not honoring their contracts, joining up together on a handful of good teams just to chase championships... Wasn’t like that back in the day, and it’s stuff like this that takes the competitiveness, mystique & sportsmanship out of the game. You said it yourself: they flop to get more points & bigger contracts. So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers🤔? You didn’t have that type of mentality during previous eras, so naturally people are gonna be more reminiscent of the “good ol days” when it seemed like there was less drama & more work ethic.
@@Messiah_Black . So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers? Players are improving. Period. Anything that humans continue to do over a long period of time they will improve at. Rewarding flopping is a rules issue, not a soft player issue. If the refs rewarded flopping in any other era theyd flop too. Do you think players would still flop even if they had never been rewarded for it? Just laying on the court for absolutely no reason? of course not.
He left out the fact that the NBA made handchecking illegal in 2004. I think this helped Lebron since he's not a great shooter, and doesn't have the moves or footwork of Jordan or Kobe. I'm not saying he's not a great player though.
Rasheed Wallace played from 1996-2010-2013 LeBron James played from 2003-202? Major rule changes occurred from 2000-2002 making the game MUCH Softer. It is just a fact that the modern era is softer than the 90's. On the plus side, the class of 2010-2015 looks like a rough bunch. East looks Beast.
“great players will adapt to any era” the amount of facts in this statement. if jerry west were to hypothetically never retire and still play today in his prime he would be just as elite.
Exactly--love him or hate him, LeBron was amazing. He's been amazing his whole career, even when he was still getting better all the time, and that's what the best do: adapt and keep getting better. Not only that, what these discussions never recognize is the nature/nurture question. I don't think it's fair to say this or that player 'would be soft', if he played in the past. Even thought it's definitely true that some would be soft, we can't really know which ones, because the way the game was played during each era shaped those players. They have developed and adapted their games to the era in which they played/are playing. A lot of the players they call soft today have really just adapted to and developed in the current league and its rules. If they had to learn and play the older ways, they would have. By definition that is what the best always do, and most of the best today, would have been able to play with the best back in the day, and vice versa.
A 💯. If basketball was still as physical as it were back then a lot of these current players will have adapted! They’re not “soft” just adhering to the league current rules!
@@lothar71 Definitely? Okay, when we get a time machine, we will test that theory, because LeBron would be a 6'9" freak in any era, so I think he would have definitely been just as good back then. I don't recall Jordan, Chamberlin, (Magic) Johnson, and Russell doing any more for their teams than James has done so far. Except maybe Russell and Chamberlin--I'm not sure they get the credit they deserve.
Most, yes. But the game changes. I think someone like Steph would've been more like Steve Nash 20 years ago. Harden and Kyrie wouldn't have been nearly as good because refs actually called traveling back then, and didn't let you get those cheap fouls. Bron would've been great, but probably wouldn't be averaging 25 at 37 years old...because the paint was more clogged and he'd have to work way harder for buckets. On the other side, many dominant bigs from the past would've had to develop a deep shot, or they wouldn't be used as much. Guards who have no 3 point shot wouldn't even make a roster. AI wouldn't be allowed to take 30 shots on poor efficiency. Some players would be better now, like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird. They'd be taking 12 3pt shots per game. The game just changes. Overall, greats are gonna be great. It's just a matter of HOW great.
@@John6-40 Paint clogged? You weren't even allowed to come off your man to provide help or it was illegal defense. LeBron is in a 1 on 1 every play with an open lane behind his man. You think he wouldn't score 25? I can't think of too many guys stopping LeBron coming downhill with no help. And I actually don't like LeBron at all because he complains about no calls way too much.
When you sit down and analyze it lebron really has played against the peak of a lot of 90s era players and pretty much 3 generations of basketball. And somehow stayed consistently at the top of the pack
@@everythinglakers1713 nah. I lost interest in any possible GOAT status, over the past 10 yrs. LeBum isnt in my head but at least I explain why he doesnt deserve such a title. Besides that, a GOAT doesnt choke either!
@@conditionallyunconditional5691 LeBron could literally go broke building an expansion team in the NBA and he still would be able to live rent free in your head
Typically around that age, things happening at that time becomes your childhood. So when you get older and things change, you start to miss your childhood more as time goes on, which often turns into generational bias because “everything was better when I was a kid” is a sentiment every generation says
Agreed people are to emotionally attached to their past . In my opinion as you get older you should become wiser . But these narratives prove otherwise .
@@tayfattz2272 You aren’t wrong. Lot of people from the 50-70s are bunch of babies who think the world has peaked in terms of entertainment atleast(can’t say about overall) and that only their time was good
Ive always thought alot about the "softness" thing, and people complaining about flopping both in basketball and football. As much as I hate it too, part of me does realise that its the players trying to abuse every single millimeter of the ruleset to get ahead of their opponents. You know, winning. If you find more tools to get more points why not abuse it, its just become part of the IQ skillset of the sport
LeBron or any other player wouldn't flop if they think its useless. Many players now would flop to get fouls. People should realize that in 'THIS ERA' flopping is also a skill in basketball.
And they act like guys like Bill Laimbeer and other dirty players from that era weren’t whining, flopping, foul baiting, and complaining to grab any foul call they could get to help their team. It’s just a bit hypocritical that’s all.
@@westbrick6393 Rasheed played nearly an entire decade in Lebron's era and Lebron destroyed the Pistons during Rasheed's prime years when he was all NBA so how can he say things would be different when they played in damn near the same era. Make it make sense.
@@westbrick6393 doesn't matter. Lebron was in his 8th year when he got to Miami. Vlade Divac was the first player that flopped in an egregious way because he couldn't handle Shaq and that was like back in 1999. This all started back then which is right during the Rasheed Wallace Shaquille O'Neal era along with the hack a Shaq fouling. Flopping wouldn't even be a thing if it weren't for Divac so stop trying to put this on Lebrons time in Miami some 12 years later.
@Sativa after the 04 and 05 seasons bron kept those pistons and the east on lock with literal bums bron was dominating from the time he came in the league.
@@whickman5906 🤔 he didn't when a ring till he got to MIA ,and that 04 Detroit team was getting old when he played a young Dwight Howard what happened ?
I like the point on adaptation because it makes sense. If you play an aggressive style because your era allows you to do that without catching fouls and you bring that to an era that’s more foul-prone, you won’t necessarily be better, you’ll just see a bigger deviation between your offensive and defensive numbers. You’ll probably put up more points and assists per game because you’re not getting whaled on as much when you have the ball. However, you’re probably getting more fouls called on you when you’re defending or going for rebounds because you’re used to being aggressive and you fall for foul baits more often. You may even foul out of the game more often. So your overall impact on the game isn’t objectively better, it’s just different. Adaptability is a skill all great players have and it’s one they never stop demonstrating. It’s how they learned the game in the first place and you know what they say about greatness: you never stop learning.
Many legends want to tear LBJ because they want their era to be the dominant one. LBJ pose a threat to them. Even MJ said LBJ will be great in his era. Those legends that really know the game like Bird, Magic, MJ, AI know the truth.
But would he have won against them if you can’t even beat Dirk Dallas Mavs... Magic won 5 in 8 tries Kareem 6 in 9 MJ 6 for 6 Kobe 5-7 but LeBron 4-9 not even .500 bruh! Hell Shaq 4-7 u don’t trophies for showing up but winning
@@dariusewing6962 not trying to diminish all the other GOATs who played in the 80s-90s but LeBron has had considerably more competition in the Finals than almost all of them.
@@dariusewing6962 lebron is 4-6 ahahah not 4-9....but that loss against dallas was bad really bad and he should've won but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be be dominant in other eras bcuz look at what he did AFTER the dallas series, it was pure domination and still is cuz he's playing at a high level
@@dariusewing6962 MJ didn’t get past the first round until the bulls drafted Scottie. Lebron went to the finals without any superstars in 07 and 18. What’s your point?
Steph Curry is allowed to shoot like that because the defense isn't allowed to play full court pressure you can't jack up shots when full court press is allowed
Oh yeah plus hand checking was already illegal if it happened beyond the foul line... Oh you best believe players like Harden and Curry would have abused that to get to the line 1000 times a season... Just like Jordan did when he averaged 37 a game.
@@lamar1990lg Bro if Curry played in Jordans era you had to play 1v1 or commit to a full double there was no zone schemes and every time curry got the ball he would do 1 of 3 things. He would either embarrass the guy 1 on 1 and get open to take an easy 3 because he's a dribble God, he would have gotten pressed by the D and would dribble into you and pull up for a 3 and you would hand check him and send him to the line. Or lastly you would commit to a full double team and he would pass off to his wide open teammate. Curry is small but the league used to be simpler then what it is now while they have to worry about being guarded by 3 guys while they are also still guarding their man because they can just play a zone all day.
People talk about the 90's being tough. The 80's were tougher and the 70's were brutal. People forget the NBA almost died in the 70's. Magic and Bird saved the NBA.
You’re smoking crack bro the defense in the 90s and early 2000s was the peak so far for defense, teams in the 80’s was averaging damn near 120 points lol
80',early 90's fouls would be techs & hard fouls ejections in todays game. IMO. That takes a toll on the body. Having said that, a top tier athlete is still top tier regardless of era. Lastly, don't put Shaq & Jordan up if they aren't in video! You make good points in your vids. Integrity man!
No they wouldnt LMAO you guys are such sheep, watch games from the 80s and 90s and see the types of fouls they call, stop this ridiculous narrative please
It was more difficult to score back in the day due to the physicality but was easier to play defense. Now it is harder to defend in this new era, especially on the perimeter but it's a lot easier to get buckets. All things balance out at the end.
Nice try, but it's actually easier to defend now. Back in the day double and triple teams were considered illegal defense. Don't give me the hand check argument either, because players still get held. Go watch "defenders" hold onto Steph Curry for dear life.
@@Kai-jc8xo watch the game dummy its rougher back then you can see it in video study them and the rough basketball in the past also hurts you on longevityand starting consistent
I agree...Evolution ...more players improve out side shooting unlike before ..before its more about physical but exciting ..but today a lot of of skills appeared and style just saying
I agree with everything here but I want to emphasize that it is also incorrect for people today who grossly underestimate players from the 80’s or 90’s. Good players will adapt and that works BOTH ways. I see just as many young people underestimate old players as there are older people underestimating modern players.
I disagree, one reason the game was so "physical" was because shot making was a truly standout skill. There were very few guys who could shoot the 3 effectively and therefore teams filled rosters with guys who could rebound, make layups, and defend the rim. Also, europe/south america/asia did not feed the NBA with good players in that generation. AND...kids were forced to go to college, which means they had to come from a middle class background to play in the NBA...neither Lebron nor Dwade among others would have ever made the NBA in the 90s because the inner cities were such a mess that kids couldn't even make it out. So Jordan was only playing against Middle class American players, which was a much smaller pool of players, less talent because of it.
The talent level in the 80s-90s was higher, I don’t think that’s a conversation it’s very obvious. The amount of people that would be considered superstars now was on another level. Especially at the Center position there aren’t matches in this era other than jokic and giannis who can’t really be called a center he’s a giannis he goes where ever he wants
@JL 45 jxmy has been the best nba youtuber for years now . I litterally click on his videos without reading the title cuz i know it's gonna be interesting
@@Mahdi_Amine I have multiple teams that I follow. Jimmy’s quality has shot straight down when he figured out what formula would grab views from casuals
In their era most 6'8 guys couldn't dribble, shoot nor run point. The skill level overall is much better now. And I'm 46, so I grew up in the Jordan era.
Time takes care of things like this. I still remember reading about my Bulls in an article about their 72-10 season in 1997 and the article had them 5th all time, losing to the Bob Cousey led Celtics in a hypothetical tournament.
Yeah it's crazy. Clearly players are better today and getting better and better. Yet somehow we're suppose to believe the opposite? Like wtf noooo. Players today would dominate the 80s. They would be accused of witch craft in the 70s and called gods In the 60s.
@@joshwhitley8969 You know that the 80s and 90s were different from the 50s and 60s right? A little thing called the NBA-ABA merger happened in case you live under a rock. Most of the all time greats from that era excluding a few anomalies like Wilt and maybe Bill would be role players at best. If you've actually watched clips from that era, most of their "legends" were on the level of role players in today's era AT BEST and Bob Cousy wouldn't even get a divisino1 scholarship let alone get drafted. Jerry West would be a bench warmer too, if can even get drafted. Role players like Vinnie Johnson or Lou Williams would destroy all of them.
@@MihailoPavicevic-w6i Pippen is on of the greatest defenders of all time which helped them 3 peat they were great defensively they just needed someone to score
The prime examples of people that would falter in "old school ball", are the people that you see falling off this year because they can't handle not getting free trips to the line. Maybe they could change their game and adapt, but you can see which stars this year that really do play "soft".
@@tntcrewEJ Because the lane is still wide open and he scores the vast majority of his points in the lane. Always has. You won't have that same luxury in a league where the lane is crowded as hell and the center can park there as long as he wants
@@redpillfreedom6692 ahhh yes but you forget they can't actually just clog the lane super easy because that was a defensive foul back in the day they even stated in the video you couldn't triple team people back then or it's a trip to the line and we have seen LeBron easily score on double teams oh right a d tbat part where they double and he feeds the open man and the defense can't adapt the way they do now because once again defensive foul, the defense had restrictions back then that also favored offense. The game was set up back then for iso type players like Jordan so put harden in that Era and functions similar. Now put an iso artist in there that also facilitates like magic and you have a unstoppable force that can score on you for not committing to him or you ended committing and then he used that as a bait to then pass the ball off to the open shot and score that way. He doesn't heed to score to win a game. The winner is the team with the most collective points among its players not which player on the team scored the most.
@@nikolairodriguez9088 None of what you said makes sense. Look up “Jordan rules” and tell us teams couldn’t clog the paint or triple team anyone. Defensive 3 in the key in the early 2000’s made the game soft, which is exactly when Rasheed began to thrive.
Thank you, Jimmy! So tired of this debate. These former players are trying to raise themselves up by pushing others down. The game evolves. We have an entire generation that has learned from MJ, and now an entire generation that has learned from LeBron. There is a huge benefit to being younger because you can draw from a larger pool of experience, and that is part of the reason why today's players, on average, are more skilled and better shooters. The game evolves, the rules change, and the players adapt.
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 80s Lakers were a superteam, 90s Bulls were a superteam, hell even 08' Celtics were a superteam, so stop with this nonsense, the concept of superteams was founded waaay before this era.
@@anaskartibou Magic didn't get 70s Kareem you Lebronie. 08 was not a Superteam. In 2010 they added Rasheed and no one said THAT was a Superteam. I can already see your bias.
Love this analysis. Even as I get older, I watch and admire the young talent coming up. Yep...Giannis is going to succeed in any era. Just like Zero says, that success might look different, but he's gonna succeed. (And saying LeBron wouldn't succeed back in the day is just dumb. He did!)
the thing is you can’t say they would’ve succeeded back in the 80s or whenever, because a lot of there(curry, bron, kd, etc) game is taylored around the rules and using shit like that to there advantage, yes they are insanely talented but that’s not all they rely on, back 40-50 years ago, it was shear talent
@@No-Hassle But Curry didn’t have a good start. He was plagued with injuries and I can see the coach would always bench him whenever he’s got cold hands. That’s just not an ideal situation for success. He might just not get enough opportunity to shine if he played in the old era.
Back in the good old days, I had to walk to school in the snow barefoot for 50 miles for 365 days a year. We couldn't afford shoes. We didn't have any vehicles. Heck, we didn't have any bikes either. Those were the days when no one could afford bags to carry their books in. I had to balance my books on top of my head while walking those 50 miles every day. Oh, did I mention that no one couldn't afford mittens back then ? Yep, the good ole days.
Ex 90s NBA Player: *"Back in my days I was getting hit with missiles and bazookas to the basket. I had blood coming out of my mouth when I got handchecked. I played in a man's league unlike these soft little boys."*
Honestly Lebron can play in any Era. But the question is would he have won a championship and that's something we'll never know. All I want to know is he PED's
The top players would still adapt. What a human is hasn't changed since the 60's, there's been zero evolution... We're just talking about metagame changes which are partly due to the natural evolution of the sport, and partly forced by rule changes.
you clearly have never played basketball in your entire life if you did you would know that defenders would definitely be able to guard players from today its so easy to adapt in todays era and thats coming from someone who played HS ball
One thing that cannot be disputed is that regardless of the era, you are the GOAT of RUclips NBA content 😀💪🏽💥. You got the facts the clips, the narrative, the presentation, whoo!
I think the only setback LeBron could’ve faced in the 80s or 90s would be the physical technology that LeBron uses nowadays to maintain his body and strength
And the difference in quality of shoes. People think it's not a big deal, but would you rather play in flat ass Converse, or padded and air cushioned Jordans that is way better on your back and knees?
@@dbsti3006 he would play in exactly what everybody else did. The argument he cant play in a different era is fucking dumb just like you. Those guys played in those circumstances just like ANY BODY ELSE FUCKING WOULD IF THEY HAD TO YOU DUMB FUCK. Holy shit it's like trying to teach a fuckin retard
@@YeDutr They'll be like, what kind of witchcraft is this? Draymond would've play equally dirty and most importantly won't back down. Klay is tough and great defender, even KD in Warriors was always willing to play great Defense. Curry maybe the weakest defender on the court, ain't no one double teaming him. Because it'd be illegal. Handchecking is easier than getting Double/Triple teams. Curry needs like a window of 0.2sec to shoot. Kobe has guarded steph likes pest but Steph played incredible. Now that I think about it, Kobe would've advocated this era against these oldheads.
I’m pretty sure Rasheed Wallace is saying you start Lebron James in 1995 when Wallace was drafted let’s say Lebron plays until 2015. Lebron got his first ring in 2012 when the league was way different than the league Rasheed was use to. Lebron also had to go to Miami where he teamed up with 2 other Hall of famers from his draft class, and they still couldn’t even win on their first try. So I believe Wallace is saying you start him when I started, he’s not considered the greatest ever because he’s not going to 10 straight finals. But Wallace is off in the sense that Lebron is still putting up crazy numbers. He’s definitely going to be the stat machine he always was going to be, no matter what era he played in. So it’s very easy to frame this argument one way or another, but let’s just recognize for what it is, Lebron would have been a HOF regardless, does he end up with 4 rings if he starts in 1995, probably not, because the league was never allowing teams to stack players like that then. But either way dude is still going to be awesome because of size and court vision.
Why's Shaq in the thumbnail? He never went after LeBron because he knew, he experienced it, he played with the man. I never heard complaints about LeBron from Shaq as far as I know.
@@Godhorus If someone’s name is in the title of the video, it’s supposed to be about him. That’s like talking about Christmas and presents, leaving cookies out, but ain’t got nothing to do with Santa Claus
Gilbert is one of the few hoopers from his era that actually looks objectively at the game and calls it for what it is. If only more retired players would clear their biases out of the way, there would be a much more interesting discussion about players throughout the NBA's existence and the evolution that has taken place.
@@CRISNCHIPS12398 I’m mean I lowkey miss 2012-2016 lebron after that he got boring to me he play smart now but I wanna see him go boom on someone aka dunking I watch basketball for entertainment and that’s why curry been the guy for me
@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 he probably wouldnt play this long if he did that. He’s playing smart and protecting his body and he’s still entertaining but he doesn’t have to risk a bad injury for the fans.
To be fair, Wallace was older than Lebron. Just because they played against each other, doesn't mean they are the same era. Wallace was on his way out as Lebron was just getting started. Thats like saying Mike & Dr. J were the same era, even though they played each other. No
@@geesehoward357 Rewind, a sweep versing a superteam and a team with only LeBron James and Kevin Love who also destroyed the entire east and made it too the finals and with Kyrie
You missing the point .... he not mentioned as one of the best either . THATS the argument of course they would be good players but they wouldn’t get mentioned as one of the best
@@waanb4312 no your missing the point. People say LeBron wouldn't be good or great in that era because he's too soft. Well if that era was SOO physical and hard to play how come a 5"3 guy made it? If muggsy bogues did well in that era, LeBron would do great. There's a GIANT leap between muggsy and LBJ I'm not even a fan of his either I'm just not based lol
I’m glad you recognized the league changed the rules to manufacture star players. It’s not the players fault. It’s the league that created the system that pumps up the stat lines for these guys to make them marketable.
Exactly the same over here, 🏴 football is absolutely shocking now, this era of “superstar” is so protected because of financial reasons, it’s a business now, not a sport, probably same with 🏀 Too much money has ruined the game, deffo taken the passion away.
@@georgejung5429 but how , I feel like in basketball it’s different with free throws and stuff , maybe VAR so I can see where ur coming from never the less my experience watching football is still enjoyable
@@uncled281 you English or American? Fair enough with throws from the line, me personally, I love watching basketball, yes it’s a very soft sport, but they are great athletes and it’s end to end. Enjoyable to watch. Football isn’t enjoyable for an Englishman anymore if you’re part of my generation that grew up watching real football, skilful players, early 2000s to around 2008 was it’s peak, still passion in the game, it’s a dwindled away… The guys are too rich and it ain’t a local sport anymore, too many foreigners playing in the premier league, the standard has gotten worse, the player YES is quicker, fitter, faster but trust me, they can’t play football, they’ve made the style of player taller & thinner and focused less on what they can do with the ball. The standard is 5/10 with only a dozen or so WORLD CLASS players in the league. That’s a poor stat given there’s 250+ players.
Yea he’s tripping, talking about he’s just tall, he’s also one of the best scorers in the nba, maybe even all time, and with his height and him being able to shoot, KD was bound for greatness
You aren't always at your max wingspan at all times while you are playing...you have to dribble, run, create space, jump. There are numerous ways to guard any size person. Yall acting like KD is running down the court with his arms all the way up with a ball in his hand so you can't touch it.
@lita when he said that I knew the interviewer look at him like you’re just full of it literally there’s never ever in the history of basket ball a player like kd ever existed Jordan and Kobe acknowledge him and that’s all that matter everybody else 🤷🏾♂️
Kd probably would literally been folded in the past era if he endured all of it. He probably still would’ve played crazy, but I think he’d end up more banged up physically
It makes you appreciate guys like Larry Bird and Allen Iverson who are the rightly considered legends and all-time greats but also have no problems giving today’s players the respect they deserve
Facts
@@Terror832 was that a pun god damn 💀
Yep
@@Htiy yes that was intentional
@@Terror832 bro💀
I love that Rasheed and Rodman claimed they would dominate KD, but Kobe said he couldn’t ever figure out how to stop KD.
Kobe is a guard and KD is almost 7 feet… of course Kobe would say that 🤦🏼♂️
Sheed and Rodman certainly could if PJ Tucker made life hell for KD in the playoffs last year. Nobody is dominating KD though, as he showed he can handle that physicality in 7 gm series. But KD has a variety of skills that allows him to play through physicality (sick cross, off dribble quickness, pull up contested Js, elite 3pt shooter).
LeBron on the other hand, I think Rodman and Pippen would actually lock him up like 55 to 60% of the time bc his game really is one dimensional when it comes to scoring. Much like Giannis with slightly better J and much better passing.
@@NoLongerGrilling lmao. Kd averaged 35.4 10.6 5.4 in that series. Pj tucker played his best defense and was still Kd’s bitch
@@NoLongerGrilling who has actually locked up Giannis, really? A whole team defensive scheme was needed, nevermind his teammates selling, and you said so, LeBron has better passing so...
the only way stopping KD are his injuries
@@gerryclarito212 Go ask Boston on how to stop him.
Put kd in any era ever he’s getting arrested for witchcraft and is averaging 30 minimum
Put Alex Caruso in that era and little Mikey is coming off the bench wearing Air Carusos
agreed ! Current player would be dancing on em they wouldn't even understand what's going on !
Cap
The delusion here is thick.
Thinking that a player could automatically adjust to different rules in different decades is delusional
@@acedcoin3343 no your just a hater 🤡
The point about great players adapting, lebron came into the league with the three pointer being his main weakness but he's been in the league so long that the three became essential and he developed his game and expanded his range to the half court line. Perfect example of great players being great in any era.
Truee
Oh, so you mean like MJ with the 3 pts line ? Interesting argument
@@BenDovahkin He didnt need the 3 to be an offensive juggernaut, he was already lethal in the mid-range. But Lebron needed to adapt his game cuz hes getting old, in his younger days he woulda just dunked the ball and drive but now he mainly relies on mid-range shooting and 3 pointers
Dude shoots 34% from 3 for his career. Sorry he’s not the guy when it comes to the 3 balls
@@samschott5632 You do know that the league average for 3 pointers in the NBA is 34.7%? He might not be the best but he is definitely capable of shooting a 3. You probably just got used to monsters like Steph who shoot 40+% from 3
As long as there's generational stars, things like this will always happen. Those blessed by extreme talent are cursed with the harshest critics.
Jordan wasn’t, I wonder if that had anything to do with the nba and Nike going bankrupt, and betting it all on mj
Parish and Wilt are critical of Jordan. Jordan's team was a loser in the 80s. In Parish's defense, Jordan never won against the Celtics in any playoff game, going 0-6. Jordan only won a ring towards the end of Celtics and Lakers prime.
In Wilt's defense, the league rules adjusted to accommodate Jordan's game while the league rules were adjusted to stop Wilt's game.
@@bobtwista And as you say this someone brings up the fact that wilt & parish critiqued jordan.
@@bobtwista I mean he effectively changed the league and kept it afloat . However he got criticized . People are just way to invested in their favorite players .it's tiers to this shit . The soft talk is just not someone accepting change . The players today aren't softer . That is in fact a dumb narrative or statement . I could want to do something . But if the rules don't allow it or it costs my team why would I . If another player can argue with the ref and start getting favorable calls why wouldn't I . Players are highly adaptable . They should seek out a advantage if they got it . Nothing is wrong with that . I was born in 82 . Trust me players complained in the 90' s . They also were friends back then too .
@@tayfattz2272 the players today aren't softer? Hahahaha what a bunch of absurd bullshit
Gilbert Arenas has become one of my favorite NBA guys. He’s so level headed and genuinely funny. I’m 31 so I try to be fair to generations older or younger than me and not be bias about mine. I
Bruh same Gil is my guy!
Yup gives informed unbiased points with context behind the numbers
Ha. Maybe he's level headed now, but not so much during his playing days. Still, All-star career and apparently a good grasp of the game.
He spoke like a very mature person in this interview.. too bad he ruined his career with that gun incident
good explanation why 90s and 00s were way harder eras ruclips.net/video/8nBRV0TKsxo/видео.html
damn. Much respect to Gilbert , he’s real asf.
He smart asf he finessed the magic outta millions of dollars while he was chilling at home XD
"When this shit’s done, I’ma fill up arenas
Ooh, like Gilbert Arenas, shoot my shot I’m still with the demons" ~ Jack Harlow
I would've never survived in the 90's or 80's NBA. I'm a full fledged Diva and I love flopping. I also need my Superteams to win a chip.
He so on point...
@@lebronjames1474 imagine wasting precious time of your life making and account about someone who doesn't know you excist
People seem to forget that Lebron has played for almost 2 decades. He isn't just a current player, he's been an NBA player for more of his life than he has not.
That's mental isnt it. Most people can't even get into the NBA and LeBron has been there longer than he hasn't. I wonder how many ever achieved something like that.
Thanks to steroids
@@bigricky5742 he got that sauce
@@bigricky5742 prove it, otherwise you just hating. Stfu
@@bigricky5742the guy spends millions a year on his body. And the nba drug test would’ve said he used roids
Bro Rasheed actually talking about a guy who smacked him in the playoffs
Rasheed has PTSD and Dementia at age 47
@@Terror832 lol 😂
And he wasn’t as succesful in 07 as he was in 2012
@@Terror832 He got the paul pierce syndrome lmao
@@kreizeeboi Paul pierce whooped Lebron first tho but yeah lmao
“Great players will excel in any era” best quote of 2021 in terms of basketball
That should serve as the immediate answer to this question.
mic drop.
Because it's true. It's only been 70 years. That is nothing.
Some oldschool players are not sold on Lebron's greatness because they believe he won't excel in the 80's and the 90's as much as he did in the 2010's
Facts
@@Buttington_Headerson well, there was like 8 teams back then. That doesn't count
This is why I liked Kobe cuz he never said this type of stuff he appreciates the players and the game and tried to make basketball better
You don't know Kobe! Kobe was interested in one thing and that is being THE MAN - he didn't care about winning, or the other players, he just wanted to be the man. The Lakers had a period where they appeared in 4 finals out of 5 and won 3. Kobe was dissatisfied because Shaq was the leading scorer, MVP, & focus of the offense. He threaten to leave unless they got rid of Shaq, Phil Jackson and all the rest. From that point on Kobe was the man even though the team was losing before they bounce back and then started losing again. The last 6 or 7 years Kobe & the Lakers didn't even have winning seasons but Kobe was satisfied because he was the man.
@@Sole-Survivor What you just said had nothing to do with his comment, no hate
@@Sole-Survivor nobody reading all that shit shut up
@@elijahwilliams7277 ☠☠☠
@@Sole-Survivor LOL even if all that cap we're remotely true...It has nothing to do with how kobe publicly spoke about other players and the game...
Rasheed Wallace is like that 90s kid born on December 1999 talking about 2000s kids
accurate asf 😂
Wilt Chamberlain has said in some interviews that Jordan wouldn't survive in his era. This bullshit has been going on forever 😂
That nigga wilt hated Mike 😭😭😭
Apparently it's a tradition
Lol it’s not a skill thing, he’ was saying they didn’t let you dunk like that over and over in that era, dude woulda contested him and it wouldn’t have been a foul (unlike Jordan’s era where he took physical punishment but he got to the line every time). But wilt is right about how the game was different in his era, the nba did not favor individual scoring, it favored team ball and defense. So a lot of the things 90’s players and Jordan did, palming the ball, “backing” ppl down, etc wasn’t allowed in wilt’s era. Like y’all imagine shaq being defended by Gordon heyward when y’all think of wilt but that’s not how the era was, they were all between 6’10” and 7 ft, and you actually couldn’t back ppl down, they would have called offensive fouls. All of wilt and kareem’s points came off actual moves and shots.
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This video explaims why the league is softer
Sam Jones got crushed by wilt 1 time and did not come into paint rest of game, same thing would've happened to mj
In one of his last interviews Kobe said he never was able to crack the puzzle that is KD. Dude would’ve caused problems in any era.
Facts them old players just mad the new players are better than them
Bro kd ain’t built like that
I have mixed feeling abt Kobe, great players but his ego made him say some stupid shit like he did about J Lin
@@swastikgrover3414 oh stop it. Things happen on the court.
@@swastikgrover3414 ego//5 rings…. Got it
The KD thing is totally true, we've never seen a player like KD literally ever.
There's been people who had similarities to superstars, few people who even literally model their game after their idol etc
But we've never seen a 7ft scorer who literally has every move in his bag... Ever.
When all is said and done KD will be looked back on as a top 10 of all time.
KD yes., but how does it translates to winning. LeBron's run is more impressive
If larry bird was 2 inches taller you get KD
@@josker4271 don’t disrespect bird like that, you get Larry bird with probably a few more rings
@@seanlegette4177 Larry Bird's prime didn't last that long tho
The only problem with him being top 10 all time is that he's never really won anything without a superteam. If he was such an unstoppable force, why couldn't he win with OKC, who btw had an very talented roster.
We love the old heads, but it's always great to see someone taking the time to bring their mythical status back down to Earth.
I’m an “old head” who’s 46yrs old and I approve your comment.
(It irritated me to hear old heads in the 90s say Shaq and Jordan would’ve been lunch meat for Wilt and Oscar Robertson and Barry Sanders was nothing in comparison to Jim Brown…it equally irritates me to now hear dudes my age say that LeBron and Steph wouldn’t make it in the 80s and 90s).
Lebron dispite of his succes alot of haters was angry to him
Mythical?
Legendary more like it.
And with all the flopping and rolling around on the floor like they are dying now a days???
Ticky tack fouls???
Thank God for the jordan eara
@@Bosscross03yeah all the mj defender on the perimeter is a low i.q and slow moving black man or a 5"9 skinny accountant white guy like Jeff hornacek 90s era are overrated
@@Bosscross03 There is a 90% chance that if Jordan played today he would flop and complain about fouls too.
I don't care what Era we talking about Curry is still getting his points.
For real
Steph is getting buckets he gets by people cause he has handles and you have to run out on him. Hand checking ? That changes a lot cause Curry is not physically fast or athletic for Nba standards .
curry wouldn't be able to handle hand checking, he is a kid out there around grown ass men
Bro this old heads be on crack. One dude told me that Lebron couldn’t survive the 90s because he has no skill, then he said curry would be a role player in that era because his not big enough. 🤡💀
He might get points but he definitely wouldn’t be scoring as much as he did a few years ago.
If by "his era" he means the Jailblazers, then every player from today would be soft in his eyes lol
@Bandup Zay nah
They are saying everyone with a jumpshot would be soft in their era. Smh.
Edit: Y’all talking about Lebron not having a jumper. They weren’t just talking about Lebron. They were saying KD and Curry would be soft too and last I checked, they both have a jump shot.
🌝🌝Lebron shoots 37.5% outside of 3 feet in the regular season and 35.9% outside of 3 feet in the playoffs 🌝🌝
Ben Simmons is a HOF in the 90s lol
@@therealkatana3930 Ben Simmons is a poor poor man’s Magic Johnson
@@TheBronzeBomber38 he ain't do no magic johnson tricks foh 😂
@@therealkatana3930 I mean he could dominate in the paint
And people shoot less threes so he would dominate
But I think people would hack a simmons
I used to think this was a a legit arguement until LeBron 2018 happened. That was his physical and mental game peaking at the same time. Simply, unstoppable. Could terrorise any era
that one year? LMAO
@@johnmont4736 u could just say 2009-2018
@@johnmont4736yea
@@johnmont4736 are you thick in the head? he said that LeBron that year changed his perspective not that only 2018 LeBron was good lol
Peds. Of course, he could dominate any era.
if they couldn’t stop larry bird they ain’t stopping KD
Larry bird is mad underrated
@@Kylek899 that mans a combination of KD and Lebron James, but sadly got injured very early in his career , could’ve done a lot more if it weren’t for that back injury
@@avalancher360 lebron james ?
@@yo5233 more so in terms that he was an all around player like lebron , but a better shooter like Durant
@@avalancher360 i thought he meant athletic like lebron
Gilbert gave the most intelligent answer than everybody that was asked.
😑Gilbert is an oddball who has a strange perspective. A know it all...
@@miltonbrayboy1881 you need know it all’s in this confused time
Milton you definitely can't perceive reality accurately.. keep studying life
Gilbert is a lebron drider
@@miltonbrayboy1881 We need more know it all's in this world. Too many small minded folks tossing out dumb ass opinions with probably 0.02 seconds of real thought.
The fact Wallace says that and doesn't remember he played lebron that many times blows my mind and just makes me laugh when he has clearly blocked out those memories in his mind lol. Must have been traumatized from the whole experience
Lebron was embarrassing those grown ass men they just salty 😂😂🤣 the funniest part is that Rasheed actually paved the way pf shooting threes 🤷🏾♂️
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@brainpink68 Lebron was 22 dude that wasn’t grown? What the heck do millennials consider a “grown ass man” 🤦♂️😂. Fukn worst most immature ass generation ever.
@@HT-sm9dm do you not have a reading comprehension he said "those grown ass men" not "james is a grown ass man"
@@HT-sm9dm for anyone born in 199X anything after 30 is old. So I guess 28 years old is grown? Lmfao
Dennis Rodman saying someone relies too much on strength and athleticism is hilarious
Irony. Irony is what that is.
@Ocean Lives you can say it but is it true I think it's laughable to think that the only factor standing between Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan and their will to win a championship is whether or not they get a Dennis Rodman.
@@seun35 First 3 peat was without Rodman. He's good contributing great on the second but I don't think even without him they wouldn't have pulled it off
Rodman could not even contain Shawn Kemp during 96 finals
@@nuffsaid9050 Rodman was the reason y the bulls beat the sonics
You know somethings wrong when Gilbert ‘let me bring a gun to my locker room’ Arenas is making the most sense out of all the legends speaking on the topic
Fax 😂
I mean when you compare that to a crack-induced drag queen who sits out games to party in Vegas, then that's relatively tame
@@janseanmarwyn4703 you talking bout Rodman 😭😭?
Actually Gilbert is incredibly intelligent and well spoken. His takes are always on point.
@@SidestickPilot on gun point
Bro this argument is like when your parents say crap like, "I had to walk 26 miles to school every day when I was a kid. You should be able to handle this it's easy." They're embellishing themselves and no one can really disprove it.
Some people had to walk that far dude LOL.
These have changed drastically since then which is why the disconnect happens.
@@hungerxhunger2548 do you not know how much 26 miles is? Sure some people maybe had to walk a mile or so but, that was probably such a minority of people.
@@zerobst8533 Yes my mom Had to walk for over a hour to get to school so I have it real easy compared to them.
@@hungerxhunger2548 it would take wayyy longer than an hour to walk 26 miles
sounds personal
I remember laughing when I saw what Rasheed said about LBJ and said out loud "He literally beat you in 2007 by himself"
@GED Whisperer Not in the 2007 Cavs it wasn't. Lebron literally won game 5 by scoring 25 points in a row while defended by the entire Pistons team
8:54 i have so much respect for him after that comment! It's really about adapting to the era and the way they play/ed . You can't say "ah this guy couldn't shoot three's so he wouldn't do that well today" or the other way around. If someone from back then practiced shooting three's it would be a completely different story. Same way players today could adapt to the 90's playstyle . Some more, some less
Gilbert Arenas is smart on that opinion.
It’s because Gilbert isn’t blinded by biased when it comes to the game. Saying that “Oh xxx couldn’t survive in my era because *blank blank blank* “ is the same thing as saying “Player A from the 90s couldn’t survive today’s era because they don’t have the pacing or adjustments to the speed of the game.”
It’s all hypothetical and impossible to say for sure if players would be successful if they switched eras.
Legendary take bro
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It’s a good day when jimmy uploads
How many times you gonna say that
you right
Facts!!
jimmy is a simp dont forget
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It is actually enough to include Kobe's saying that he could not figure out KD to close the issue.
Great video.
Yeah, and that's coming from KOBE BRYANT. Kobe may not be a big man but he's still a 12x All-Defensive Player and more importantly he's one of the smartest players to ever touch the basketball court... There's only a handful of NBA Hall of Famers who's opinion's are as rightfully respected as the Black Mamba's, Rasheed Wallace's sure as hell isn't one of them.
@@Flyhr Well said.
@@Flyhr most of Kobe's all-defensive selections are entirely due to his early days reputations. After early 00s Kobe really didn't have many all-defensive level seasons.
@@duck8624 Swear 08 was the last one he deserved honestly 09 onward should’ve been Wade’s
@@duck8624 Actually agree here and Phil Jackson agreed too but the original comment is correct his opinion is deeply respected.
Rodman’s “make basketball tough again” hat had me laughing 😂
“You can not stop him you can only hope to contain him” I’ve heard that somewhere
Alex Caruso lmfao
Caruso on KD
Dan Patrick
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rasheed: talks for 3 minutes
jimy: let me just end ur entire career rq
at least let em have the podcast 😭
To be fair he didn’t mention ben Wallace not being there
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If you actually look at league wide scoring through time, you can see that actually the early 90s were way higher scoring than the early 2010s. The only seasons where teams average 101 points or lower per game was a continuous stretch from 1996-2015. That means most of LeBron’s career was in the lowest scoring years in NBA history. Recency bias has made us think he played in high scoring leagues his whole career.
2015-2024 is a lot of years. He’s benefitted GREATLY from the last decade.
This past season, teams averaged 114 per game. 14 players scored 25 or more per game.
In 2001-02, teams scored 95 per game and everyone acts like Jordan was a scrub dropping 22.9 per game (25 at the time of his injury in game 46 - him and Kobe were the only two players in the league averaging 25/5/5 at all star break).
Only 6 players scored 25 or more that year.
LeBron was amazing the first decade of his career… the second decade he’s benefited from an inflated offensive era.
The lack of consistency is absurd simultaneously they call bron “soft” and “relying on his strength too much” lmao which one is it
i think they mean, not my opinion... Mentally "soft" and "relys on this strenghy too much" cause of his weak mind.
@@Thorcat001 He's not weak minded because he cares if he wins and gets calls I can show you an entire compilation of Jordan crying to refs and sweet talking them and flopping, it's always been apart of the game and always will be apart of the game
@@chupdoesyoutube5365 did you read the start of on my comment cause it seems like you did not cause you are trying to convince me.
@@chupdoesyoutube5365 also Jordan flopping? What the fuck where you watching.
@@Thorcat001 Jordan flopped all the time and how Is he weak minded dude is the goat if lebron weak minded jordan is too he retired cuz he couldn’t play w his coach no more
Man... who would've thought Gilbert Arenas would be the voice of reason amongst these past nba players LOL. Mans is spitting straight facts
lol no one should ever take Rodman's opinion seriously. Dude is a drag queen. and he never was an nba star. he doesn't understand basketball as he thinks he does
@@HoangNguyen-sy1be WHAAAT? RODMAN DOESNT UNDERSTAND BASKETBALL????
ARE YOU HIGH????
HE IS One of the best defenders...bitch
@@HoangNguyen-sy1be "never an nba star" one of the most iconic players ever and the greatest rebounder 🤡
@@kira-xh5ue that doesn't mean he was an nba star. You gotta be able to do something more than rebounding to be considered a star
@@HoangNguyen-sy1be 5× NBA champion (1989, 1990, 1996-1998)
2× NBA All-Star (1990, 1992)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1992, 1995)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1991)
7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989-1993, 1995, 1996)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994)
7× NBA rebounding champion (1992-1998)
No. 10 retired by Detroit Pistons.
but leave it to hoang Nguyen to not call the worm a star 🤡🤦♂️
This argument goes both ways. On one hand you have the "old heads" saying the current superstars wouldn't survive in the old days, but at the same time, you have youngsters saying that the past generation was "plumbers and janitors" etc. Respect is a two way street. But social media is so toxic that you have dumb arguments on both sides.
I usually don't say anything but I agree completely with what you wrote here. Bias is as common in humans as hearts and lungs. Everyone has them, but we LOOOVE to assume we don't and that our "opinion" is basically factual.
And the people you hear loudest are the ones that are the most delusional and least reasonable
Like he said “delusion doesn’t discriminate age”
Here's the thing about arguing on social media... Don't. If you have a disagreement, do it in person. There's a lot of communication that is missed when you can't see body language, facial expressions, or hear tone.
@@barfturbine2332 True. It's also very easy for people to get nasty when they are safely behind a keyboard or device. Ultimately, I don't blame the "internet" for that type of behavior. Whatever is in you as a human being, you will manifest it. A lot of people are quite unsavory on a character based level.
i saw Stephen Jackson on a show once saying Lebron wouldnt last in his era. Stephen Jackson was drafted like 5-6 years before Lebron and they were in the league for 11 years together. Anyone who thinks todays players are soft because of the way they exaggerate fouls must be slow. When you see someone bump Lebrons forearm and he goes flying just think about this: do you really REALLY think a slap on the arm would effect Lebron like that? You think it causes him so much agony that he cant go on? Of course not. They do it because they know more times than not they'll get a foul call because thats how the nba is officiated now. More foul calls = more free throws = more points = more wins = bigger contracts etc. If you took any "tough guy" from the 80's and told them they could go from scoring 17 points per game to 25+ by just exaggerating any contact they receive i guarantee they'd do it. 17 ppg guys make 25 mil a year. 25+ ppg guys make 40 mil and get shoe deals.
Your talking about today’s players who flop for fouls, but think they could handle the “Jordan Rules” era of Basketball? Players like Laimbeer, Rodman, Barkley & Shaq, who were known to be physical & flagrant!?! Not only did you have to be physically tough, but mentally as well. Jimmy said it his own self: LeBron would’ve been Karl Malone in that era. And how many championships did he win?
so the misconception in what you're stating is 5-6 years made a difference in the league. Early 2000s till mid 2000s were the last stages of a more physical era and it started changing the other way towards a softer era very quick so it kind of makes sense for stephen jackson to mention that.
@@Messiah_Black nba is the only major sports entity where such a large portion of fans are unwilling to acknowledge the fact that players are constantly improving.
@@dubsont1de I don’t know if it’s that so much, as it is the NBA relies heavily on marketing it’s best individual players more than any other team sport. The NFL doesn’t need Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen to be better than Tom Brady to sell tickets, in the same way the NBA needed LeBron & Kobe to be the “next” MJ to boost ratings. People who weren’t even a fan of basketball would come to see Jordan drop 50 pts, or watch Kobe win his 3rd Championship. A list celebs sitting court side at games made Basketball the place to be “seen” in the sports world. And because of this, there is more of a “prima donna” attitude now with basketball players more than any other athlete. You see all these big name players, constantly whining & switching teams, demanding high salaries then not honoring their contracts, joining up together on a handful of good teams just to chase championships... Wasn’t like that back in the day, and it’s stuff like this that takes the competitiveness, mystique & sportsmanship out of the game. You said it yourself: they flop to get more points & bigger contracts. So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers🤔? You didn’t have that type of mentality during previous eras, so naturally people are gonna be more reminiscent of the “good ol days” when it seemed like there was less drama & more work ethic.
@@Messiah_Black . So are players really “improving,” or just padding their numbers? Players are improving. Period. Anything that humans continue to do over a long period of time they will improve at. Rewarding flopping is a rules issue, not a soft player issue. If the refs rewarded flopping in any other era theyd flop too. Do you think players would still flop even if they had never been rewarded for it? Just laying on the court for absolutely no reason? of course not.
Love how Jimmy uses facts and stats to make a conclusions everytime
Absolutely, love some of his quotes too.
"Great players are going to excel in any era".
"Delusion doesn't discriminate age".
Just WOW.
He left out the fact that the NBA made handchecking illegal in 2004. I think this helped Lebron since he's not a great shooter, and doesn't have the moves or footwork of Jordan or Kobe. I'm not saying he's not a great player though.
one issue is though that Jimmy doesn't mention stats/facts that don't support his point which is a major problem as it creates a false narrative
Those facts aren't always correct!
5:15 he said LeBron averaged 27.8 points, 7.0 rebounds, 5.8 assists
He actually averaged 27.8 points, 7.0 rebounds and 7.0 assists!
Rasheed Wallace played from 1996-2010-2013
LeBron James played from 2003-202?
Major rule changes occurred from 2000-2002 making the game MUCH Softer.
It is just a fact that the modern era is softer than the 90's. On the plus side, the class of 2010-2015 looks like a rough bunch. East looks Beast.
“great players will adapt to any era” the amount of facts in this statement. if jerry west were to hypothetically never retire and still play today in his prime he would be just as elite.
Nah he’d average 2ppg
@@xBeeGee pure ignorance
oh boi! hey would be OLD!!! #ZombieAttack
@@jayzwrld_ you gotta be 60+ years old to think jerry west could compete today
@@xBeeGee you gotta be stupid to think a talent of his calibre would not adapt his skillset to make it fit today's game
I love agent 0 even more now, THATS EXACTLY HOW U HAVE TO LOOK AT IT
Agent Zero is soft
@@PhilPeeVa ratio
@@__24__ missing free throws bringing guns instead of throwing hands... Soft 🤣
@@PhilPeeVa had career highs of 60, 54, 51 🤣
ruclips.net/video/uivRveSn1HA/видео.html Holy shit I'm deaddd
Exactly--love him or hate him, LeBron was amazing. He's been amazing his whole career, even when he was still getting better all the time, and that's what the best do: adapt and keep getting better. Not only that, what these discussions never recognize is the nature/nurture question. I don't think it's fair to say this or that player 'would be soft', if he played in the past. Even thought it's definitely true that some would be soft, we can't really know which ones, because the way the game was played during each era shaped those players. They have developed and adapted their games to the era in which they played/are playing.
A lot of the players they call soft today have really just adapted to and developed in the current league and its rules. If they had to learn and play the older ways, they would have. By definition that is what the best always do, and most of the best today, would have been able to play with the best back in the day, and vice versa.
A 💯. If basketball was still as physical as it were back then a lot of these current players will have adapted! They’re not “soft” just adhering to the league current rules!
I don't see lebron doing it and he definitely wouldn't be considered as good as he was if he was playing back in the 80s and 90s
@@lothar71 Definitely? Okay, when we get a time machine, we will test that theory, because LeBron would be a 6'9" freak in any era, so I think he would have definitely been just as good back then. I don't recall Jordan, Chamberlin, (Magic) Johnson, and Russell doing any more for their teams than James has done so far. Except maybe Russell and Chamberlin--I'm not sure they get the credit they deserve.
@@lothar71 missed the point, guess you have more perspective than the Great Gilbert Arenas a player that Kobe stated he couldn't guard. 😏
@@lothar71 bro if lebron went back in time to play with a cavs team that wasnt trash man would be starting a dynasty in probably end with 8 rings
Let's be honest, most NBA stars today would've been just fine in the other ERAs.
Greats can be great in any era
Most, yes. But the game changes. I think someone like Steph would've been more like Steve Nash 20 years ago. Harden and Kyrie wouldn't have been nearly as good because refs actually called traveling back then, and didn't let you get those cheap fouls. Bron would've been great, but probably wouldn't be averaging 25 at 37 years old...because the paint was more clogged and he'd have to work way harder for buckets.
On the other side, many dominant bigs from the past would've had to develop a deep shot, or they wouldn't be used as much. Guards who have no 3 point shot wouldn't even make a roster. AI wouldn't be allowed to take 30 shots on poor efficiency.
Some players would be better now, like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird. They'd be taking 12 3pt shots per game. The game just changes. Overall, greats are gonna be great. It's just a matter of HOW great.
Just like how old players from former eras would’ve been great in today’s game, nba players adapt to the current state of the game
@@paulh.9937 i gotta disagree, it can but being a great doesnt translate completely to everywhere
@@John6-40 Paint clogged? You weren't even allowed to come off your man to provide help or it was illegal defense. LeBron is in a 1 on 1 every play with an open lane behind his man. You think he wouldn't score 25? I can't think of too many guys stopping LeBron coming downhill with no help.
And I actually don't like LeBron at all because he complains about no calls way too much.
When you sit down and analyze it lebron really has played against the peak of a lot of 90s era players and pretty much 3 generations of basketball. And somehow stayed consistently at the top of the pack
Leaving teams to build super teams? That's not exactly staying on top. Then there are the flops, quitting on his teams & sjw garbage? Yeah right! 🤭
@@conditionallyunconditional5691 looks like Lebron rented out a penthouse in your brain!
@@everythinglakers1713 nah. I lost interest in any possible GOAT status, over the past 10 yrs. LeBum isnt in my head but at least I explain why he doesnt deserve such a title. Besides that, a GOAT doesnt choke either!
@@conditionallyunconditional5691 LeBron could literally go broke building an expansion team in the NBA and he still would be able to live rent free in your head
@@everythinglakers1713 what the hell are you on? The person you are talking to did not bring up LeBron.
they say that the music you listen to when you are 13-16 is the most impressionable. i think the same can be said for anything, even basketball
Typically around that age, things happening at that time becomes your childhood. So when you get older and things change, you start to miss your childhood more as time goes on, which often turns into generational bias because “everything was better when I was a kid” is a sentiment every generation says
Agreed people are to emotionally attached to their past . In my opinion as you get older you should become wiser . But these narratives prove otherwise .
@@tayfattz2272
You aren’t wrong. Lot of people from the 50-70s are bunch of babies who think the world has peaked in terms of entertainment atleast(can’t say about overall) and that only their time was good
I listened to alot of Kodak Black explains alot..
Ive always thought alot about the "softness" thing, and people complaining about flopping both in basketball and football. As much as I hate it too, part of me does realise that its the players trying to abuse every single millimeter of the ruleset to get ahead of their opponents. You know, winning. If you find more tools to get more points why not abuse it, its just become part of the IQ skillset of the sport
They didn’t find loopholes to exploit, the rules of the game have literally been changed to make scoring easier Lol
Facts
LeBron or any other player wouldn't flop if they think its useless. Many players now would flop to get fouls. People should realize that in 'THIS ERA' flopping is also a skill in basketball.
And they act like guys like Bill Laimbeer and other dirty players from that era weren’t whining, flopping, foul baiting, and complaining to grab any foul call they could get to help their team. It’s just a bit hypocritical that’s all.
@@starbéreux oh my God cry lol
Jimmy’s voice is perfect for all basketball eras.
Big facts very majestic voice
Fax
Pause
Nah, jimmys voice is too soft. Pippen wouldve shut his voice down.
Rasheed: "my era soft"
Everyone: "...are you saying that because LEBRON was in it??"
I don't think rasheed's era was soft, it was since Leflop came in the south beach
@@westbrick6393 Rasheed played nearly an entire decade in Lebron's era and Lebron destroyed the Pistons during Rasheed's prime years when he was all NBA so how can he say things would be different when they played in damn near the same era. Make it make sense.
@@quentin6233 I said NBA became soft since lebron came to the south beach (2010), Rasheed has already retired dummy
@@westbrick6393 doesn't matter. Lebron was in his 8th year when he got to Miami. Vlade Divac was the first player that flopped in an egregious way because he couldn't handle Shaq and that was like back in 1999. This all started back then which is right during the Rasheed Wallace Shaquille O'Neal era along with the hack a Shaq fouling. Flopping wouldn't even be a thing if it weren't for Divac so stop trying to put this on Lebrons time in Miami some 12 years later.
@@quentin6233 that's just beggining, it started since Lebron came to the miami
Rasheed: "He wouldn't be Beastin', He would hold his own"
JxMY: ....and I took that personally.
@Sativa Wallace was in his prime when james was a rookie and had better stats
@Sativa after the 04 and 05 seasons bron kept those pistons and the east on lock with literal bums bron was dominating from the time he came in the league.
@Your life Does not matter key words NOT GOOD ENOUGH
@@whickman5906 🤔 he didn't when a ring till he got to MIA ,and that 04 Detroit team was getting old when he played a young Dwight Howard what happened ?
@@1peter2N9 New problem: 4v1 against 3 HOFers and Rondo in 08 after he took the bummy Cavs to the finals the previous year.
I like the point on adaptation because it makes sense. If you play an aggressive style because your era allows you to do that without catching fouls and you bring that to an era that’s more foul-prone, you won’t necessarily be better, you’ll just see a bigger deviation between your offensive and defensive numbers. You’ll probably put up more points and assists per game because you’re not getting whaled on as much when you have the ball. However, you’re probably getting more fouls called on you when you’re defending or going for rebounds because you’re used to being aggressive and you fall for foul baits more often. You may even foul out of the game more often. So your overall impact on the game isn’t objectively better, it’s just different.
Adaptability is a skill all great players have and it’s one they never stop demonstrating. It’s how they learned the game in the first place and you know what they say about greatness: you never stop learning.
Many legends want to tear LBJ because they want their era to be the dominant one. LBJ pose a threat to them. Even MJ said LBJ will be great in his era. Those legends that really know the game like Bird, Magic, MJ, AI know the truth.
But would he have won against them if you can’t even beat Dirk Dallas Mavs... Magic won 5 in 8 tries Kareem 6 in 9 MJ 6 for 6 Kobe 5-7 but LeBron 4-9 not even .500 bruh! Hell Shaq 4-7 u don’t trophies for showing up but winning
@@dariusewing6962 not trying to diminish all the other GOATs who played in the 80s-90s but LeBron has had considerably more competition in the Finals than almost all of them.
@@dariusewing6962 lebron is 4-6 ahahah not 4-9....but that loss against dallas was bad really bad and he should've won but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be be dominant in other eras bcuz look at what he did AFTER the dallas series, it was pure domination and still is cuz he's playing at a high level
@@dariusewing6962 really bad take
@@dariusewing6962 MJ didn’t get past the first round until the bulls drafted Scottie. Lebron went to the finals without any superstars in 07 and 18. What’s your point?
Sheed acts like Steph wouldn’t drop 40 on him, nobody would know how to guard him
Ong bruh he would’ve ran circles around those clowns 🤡
Steph woulda got his for sure, he is one of the greatest pure shooters ever and in any era he would excell!
Steph Curry is allowed to shoot like that because the defense isn't allowed to play full court pressure you can't jack up shots when full court press is allowed
Oh yeah plus hand checking was already illegal if it happened beyond the foul line... Oh you best believe players like Harden and Curry would have abused that to get to the line 1000 times a season... Just like Jordan did when he averaged 37 a game.
@@lamar1990lg Bro if Curry played in Jordans era you had to play 1v1 or commit to a full double there was no zone schemes and every time curry got the ball he would do 1 of 3 things. He would either embarrass the guy 1 on 1 and get open to take an easy 3 because he's a dribble God, he would have gotten pressed by the D and would dribble into you and pull up for a 3 and you would hand check him and send him to the line. Or lastly you would commit to a full double team and he would pass off to his wide open teammate. Curry is small but the league used to be simpler then what it is now while they have to worry about being guarded by 3 guys while they are also still guarding their man because they can just play a zone all day.
People talk about the 90's being tough. The 80's were tougher and the 70's were brutal. People forget the NBA almost died in the 70's. Magic and Bird saved the NBA.
I love magic man
You’re smoking crack bro the defense in the 90s and early 2000s was the peak so far for defense, teams in the 80’s was averaging damn near 120 points lol
They totally saved the NBA.
@@fury_021But it was physical and they allowed hand checking.
The 70s was not a physical era dude u don’t know wtf u r saying
That cross up and How T. Prince folded his arms and ran in fear out the way was Legend 🤣
80',early 90's fouls would be techs & hard fouls ejections in todays game. IMO. That takes a toll on the body. Having said that, a top tier athlete is still top tier regardless of era. Lastly, don't put Shaq & Jordan up if they aren't in video! You make good points in your vids. Integrity man!
on god
Facts check out
U know what clickbait is?
No they wouldnt LMAO you guys are such sheep, watch games from the 80s and 90s and see the types of fouls they call, stop this ridiculous narrative please
@@stevewailthorp8919
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It was more difficult to score back in the day due to the physicality but was easier to play defense. Now it is harder to defend in this new era, especially on the perimeter but it's a lot easier to get buckets. All things balance out at the end.
Nice try, but it's actually easier to defend now. Back in the day double and triple teams were considered illegal defense. Don't give me the hand check argument either, because players still get held. Go watch "defenders" hold onto Steph Curry for dear life.
That doesn’t balance out lol it means it goes from high scoring to low scoring
@@Kai-jc8xo watch the game dummy its rougher back then you can see it in video study them and the rough basketball in the past also hurts you on longevityand starting consistent
I agree...Evolution ...more players improve out side shooting unlike before ..before its more about physical but exciting ..but today a lot of of skills appeared and style just saying
That’s not balance they’d have to combine the 2 to be balanced
I agree with everything here but I want to emphasize that it is also incorrect for people today who grossly underestimate players from the 80’s or 90’s. Good players will adapt and that works BOTH ways. I see just as many young people underestimate old players as there are older people underestimating modern players.
yeah, he addressed this in the video
I disagree, one reason the game was so "physical" was because shot making was a truly standout skill. There were very few guys who could shoot the 3 effectively and therefore teams filled rosters with guys who could rebound, make layups, and defend the rim. Also, europe/south america/asia did not feed the NBA with good players in that generation. AND...kids were forced to go to college, which means they had to come from a middle class background to play in the NBA...neither Lebron nor Dwade among others would have ever made the NBA in the 90s because the inner cities were such a mess that kids couldn't even make it out. So Jordan was only playing against Middle class American players, which was a much smaller pool of players, less talent because of it.
Some of the stars today wouldn't fair as well back then. Lebron would though
He literally stated that in the video, does nobody pay attention 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The talent level in the 80s-90s was higher, I don’t think that’s a conversation it’s very obvious. The amount of people that would be considered superstars now was on another level. Especially at the Center position there aren’t matches in this era other than jokic and giannis who can’t really be called a center he’s a giannis he goes where ever he wants
Most excellent video. Thank you Gilbert A. for making sense. These old fools talking crazy.
Let’s be real, Jimmy makes everybody’s day better!
UTC of a human and the proble will have
"❌ *DONT READ MY NAME* ❌"
@@dontreadmypicture8020 STFU
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Not Rasheed's day! For sure
My cousin just died..
My respect for Gilbert Arenas after watching this: 📈📈📈
Dennis Rodman 📉📉📉📉
He is my favorite interview on basketball... Cause he really, really breaks it down and tells the truth from a common sense prospective
U should watch Gilbert Arenas podcast. He give a ton of respect to the people of this era as well as great story times of when he was in the league.
@@danielajayi894 straight up delusional that guy
@@kaseemburr4825 fubo sports??? I watch the clips of Arenas interviews
Jxmy has been uploading once per week with consistently good content. That’s one of true YT Goats right there
@JL 45 jxmy has been the best nba youtuber for years now .
I litterally click on his videos without reading the title cuz i know it's gonna be interesting
His channel turned to ass when he started stealing shit off Reddit and uses pointless stats
@@ThisNameWasTaken0 maybe you just disagree with him or u r biased towards your team but his channel is better than ever
@@Mahdi_Amine I have multiple teams that I follow. Jimmy’s quality has shot straight down when he figured out what formula would grab views from casuals
Great analysis! Very concise, entertaining and insightful. You tube needs more content like this.
In their era most 6'8 guys couldn't dribble, shoot nor run point. The skill level overall is much better now. And I'm 46, so I grew up in the Jordan era.
When you said "poke his eye out" I literally LOLed. xD
LOLed xD - 🤓😐
Laugh our louded
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@@qew5608 shut up bro let him laugh
ye KD puts up good numbers but he couldn’t do it if he was missing vision in his left eye
Time takes care of things like this. I still remember reading about my Bulls in an article about their 72-10 season in 1997 and the article had them 5th all time, losing to the Bob Cousey led Celtics in a hypothetical tournament.
the guy who couldn't dribble with his left hand Cousey? lmfao
Yeah it's crazy. Clearly players are better today and getting better and better. Yet somehow we're suppose to believe the opposite? Like wtf noooo. Players today would dominate the 80s. They would be accused of witch craft in the 70s and called gods In the 60s.
Yeah Bob Cousy’s one hand dribbling is gonna break Pippen, Jordan and Rodman’s ankles.
@@joshwhitley8969 You know that the 80s and 90s were different from the 50s and 60s right? A little thing called the NBA-ABA merger happened in case you live under a rock. Most of the all time greats from that era excluding a few anomalies like Wilt and maybe Bill would be role players at best. If you've actually watched clips from that era, most of their "legends" were on the level of role players in today's era AT BEST and Bob Cousy wouldn't even get a divisino1 scholarship let alone get drafted. Jerry West would be a bench warmer too, if can even get drafted. Role players like Vinnie Johnson or Lou Williams would destroy all of them.
@@vanguardas9927 yup players are significantly better today than decades ago
When Lebron played Rasheed, the defensive rules were all changed. No hand checking
One thing is that younger eras were able to learn from the older ones and evolve the game. A luxury the older heads don't have as much.
The only era not having that luxury would be the very first era to ever play basketball professionally.. LOL.
@@Godhorus they didnt dribble back then 💀
KD would do good cause he's always getting hit with no calls and he has moves. Pippen would have to focus on defending KD at all times.
No only getting away, almost as untouchable like Curry.
NBA Admin is doing everything they can to keep those shining players stay shining
@@josephlin402 Curry is not untouchable 🤣
@@josephlin402 KD> Curry
You actually think that some 90' player can guard KD,damn, you old heads are crazyy
@@MihailoPavicevic-w6i Pippen is on of the greatest defenders of all time which helped them 3 peat they were great defensively they just needed someone to score
The prime examples of people that would falter in "old school ball", are the people that you see falling off this year because they can't handle not getting free trips to the line. Maybe they could change their game and adapt, but you can see which stars this year that really do play "soft".
Lebron has killing it this year scoring so it doesn’t seem to affect him. Imagine if he was in his prime.
@@tntcrewEJ avg his most points this arguably in his prime which is just stupid at this point lmao
@@tntcrewEJ
Because the lane is still wide open and he scores the vast majority of his points in the lane. Always has. You won't have that same luxury in a league where the lane is crowded as hell and the center can park there as long as he wants
@@redpillfreedom6692 ahhh yes but you forget they can't actually just clog the lane super easy because that was a defensive foul back in the day they even stated in the video you couldn't triple team people back then or it's a trip to the line and we have seen LeBron easily score on double teams oh right a d tbat part where they double and he feeds the open man and the defense can't adapt the way they do now because once again defensive foul, the defense had restrictions back then that also favored offense. The game was set up back then for iso type players like Jordan so put harden in that Era and functions similar. Now put an iso artist in there that also facilitates like magic and you have a unstoppable force that can score on you for not committing to him or you ended committing and then he used that as a bait to then pass the ball off to the open shot and score that way. He doesn't heed to score to win a game. The winner is the team with the most collective points among its players not which player on the team scored the most.
@@nikolairodriguez9088 None of what you said makes sense. Look up “Jordan rules” and tell us teams couldn’t clog the paint or triple team anyone. Defensive 3 in the key in the early 2000’s made the game soft, which is exactly when Rasheed began to thrive.
This edit is crazy keep up the hard work
Thank you, Jimmy! So tired of this debate. These former players are trying to raise themselves up by pushing others down. The game evolves. We have an entire generation that has learned from MJ, and now an entire generation that has learned from LeBron. There is a huge benefit to being younger because you can draw from a larger pool of experience, and that is part of the reason why today's players, on average, are more skilled and better shooters. The game evolves, the rules change, and the players adapt.
Which one of them was on a Superteam?? Who was surrounded by shooters?? Kobe?? 🤔🤨 Timmy?? Dirk??
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 80s Lakers were a superteam, 90s Bulls were a superteam, hell even 08' Celtics were a superteam, so stop with this nonsense, the concept of superteams was founded waaay before this era.
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 Kobe was on a superteam in the 00's, and again in 11' but that was a failed experimentation lol
@@anaskartibou who was the 3rd superstar on Kobe's Superteam???? Answer
@@anaskartibou Magic didn't get 70s Kareem you Lebronie. 08 was not a Superteam. In 2010 they added Rasheed and no one said THAT was a Superteam.
I can already see your bias.
Love this analysis. Even as I get older, I watch and admire the young talent coming up. Yep...Giannis is going to succeed in any era. Just like Zero says, that success might look different, but he's gonna succeed. (And saying LeBron wouldn't succeed back in the day is just dumb. He did!)
Steph Curry as a rookie I am not so sure in the past
@@ExistentHope if Miller could excel back then, Curry would kill it
the thing is you can’t say they would’ve succeeded back in the 80s or whenever, because a lot of there(curry, bron, kd, etc) game is taylored around the rules and using shit like that to there advantage, yes they are insanely talented but that’s not all they rely on, back 40-50 years ago, it was shear talent
@@cstin2468 it can be said. Curry, Bron, and KD are the sheer talent you’re talking about.
@@No-Hassle But Curry didn’t have a good start. He was plagued with injuries and I can see the coach would always bench him whenever he’s got cold hands. That’s just not an ideal situation for success. He might just not get enough opportunity to shine if he played in the old era.
"Back in my era" is like saying "I walked 20 miles through uphill rocks to get to school"
“Up hill rocks”? Must be nice. I had to swim across rivers to get to school back in my day.
@@Jnoel608 bro, I had to crawl in a pit full of scorpions when i was a baby to get to the nursery.. Please 🤚
@@deeniehyatt3137 bruh I had to teach myself how to beat my own heart back in the day these kids soft smh
Back in the good old days, I had to walk to school in the snow barefoot for 50 miles for 365 days a year. We couldn't afford shoes. We didn't have any vehicles. Heck, we didn't have any bikes either. Those were the days when no one could afford bags to carry their books in. I had to balance my books on top of my head while walking those 50 miles every day. Oh, did I mention that no one couldn't afford mittens back then ? Yep, the good ole days.
Ex 90s NBA Player: *"Back in my days I was getting hit with missiles and bazookas to the basket. I had blood coming out of my mouth when I got handchecked. I played in a man's league unlike these soft little boys."*
Honestly Lebron can play in any Era. But the question is would he have won a championship and that's something we'll never know. All I want to know is he PED's
the offensive capabilities have evolved so much that players from back then wouldn't be able to guard players now
Edit: I've angered the oldheads
The top players would still adapt. What a human is hasn't changed since the 60's, there's been zero evolution... We're just talking about metagame changes which are partly due to the natural evolution of the sport, and partly forced by rule changes.
you clearly have never played basketball in your entire life if you did you would know that defenders would definitely be able to guard players from today its so easy to adapt in todays era and thats coming from someone who played HS ball
@@eduardopedro02 Kevin Durant is putting up 30 against anyone in the 90’s...
Cut it out😐
@@mathewmichaels6598 flopping been in the game since the 90s bud💀. Heard of Reggie Miller?
@@mathewmichaels6598 …..🤦🏾♂️. Flopping is flopping and like I said it’s been around for over 30 years.
This conversation about “you wouldn’t even last a minute back in the day” is the most boomer-ish mentality I can ever think of
Agree such a dumb thing to say
I can’t stand the slander! Especially from Rasheed Wallace imagine getting bodied by a kid and than going on to say he wouldn’t last 🤦🏼♂️
Yeah these dudes sound so washed up. Nobody even gives a shit about this argument besides them
The only thing youre in touch is being sofy like Lebron, Lebron wouldnt even be ANYBODY in the 80s
@@jondela7193 bait
It would’ve been interesting seeing lebron play in the 80’s and 90’s and seeing him fight lol
Facts
I really wanna see bron fight
Alex Caruso in the 90s would knock out Oakley, EDP Malone, Mason, X-Man, Alonzo, Rodman, Vernon Maxwel, Sprewell, etc.
6 foot 9 280 bron in a fight would have been pretty cool
He would still be a beast
One thing that cannot be disputed is that regardless of the era, you are the GOAT of RUclips NBA content 😀💪🏽💥. You got the facts the clips, the narrative, the presentation, whoo!
I think the only setback LeBron could’ve faced in the 80s or 90s would be the physical technology that LeBron uses nowadays to maintain his body and strength
He can jus regular workouts that what he did in hs and it got him tht good so
And the difference in quality of shoes. People think it's not a big deal, but would you rather play in flat ass Converse, or padded and air cushioned Jordans that is way better on your back and knees?
He didn’t always use that though. That was primarily as he started getting older
@@dbsti3006 he would play in exactly what everybody else did. The argument he cant play in a different era is fucking dumb just like you. Those guys played in those circumstances just like ANY BODY ELSE FUCKING WOULD IF THEY HAD TO YOU DUMB FUCK. Holy shit it's like trying to teach a fuckin retard
I would love to see Steph in an older era being called a literal practitioner of witchcraft after he dropped 5000 threes in a season
fr it would be a joke, imagine 2018 warriors vs 90's bulls, couldn't tell me the warriors wouldn't win and im a huge Jordan fan
@@YeDutr No one on that team is guarding KD
@@YeDutr obviously i can't even imagine anyone chasing curry and klay on perimeter on whole game.
@@YeDutr They'll be like, what kind of witchcraft is this? Draymond would've play equally dirty and most importantly won't back down. Klay is tough and great defender, even KD in Warriors was always willing to play great Defense.
Curry maybe the weakest defender on the court, ain't no one double teaming him.
Because it'd be illegal. Handchecking is easier than getting Double/Triple teams. Curry needs like a window of 0.2sec to shoot. Kobe has guarded steph likes pest but Steph played incredible.
Now that I think about it, Kobe would've advocated this era against these oldheads.
Warriors have their lucky charm Patrick McCaw.
Ain’t no way they losing
"Delusion doesn't discriminate age" I felt that
I’m pretty sure Rasheed Wallace is saying you start Lebron James in 1995 when Wallace was drafted let’s say Lebron plays until 2015. Lebron got his first ring in 2012 when the league was way different than the league Rasheed was use to.
Lebron also had to go to Miami where he teamed up with 2 other Hall of famers from his draft class, and they still couldn’t even win on their first try. So I believe Wallace is saying you start him when I started, he’s not considered the greatest ever because he’s not going to 10 straight finals.
But Wallace is off in the sense that Lebron is still putting up crazy numbers. He’s definitely going to be the stat machine he always was going to be, no matter what era he played in.
So it’s very easy to frame this argument one way or another, but let’s just recognize for what it is, Lebron would have been a HOF regardless, does he end up with 4 rings if he starts in 1995, probably not, because the league was never allowing teams to stack players like that then. But either way dude is still going to be awesome because of size and court vision.
Why's Shaq in the thumbnail? He never went after LeBron because he knew, he experienced it, he played with the man. I never heard complaints about LeBron from Shaq as far as I know.
Why you write a comment if you didn't watch the whole video. Lebron was not the point of the video.
@@Godhorus Jimmy dedicated nearly the whole damn video to him tf you talkin about
BC clickbait. Even though it’s not needed bc the video is good and doesn’t need a clickbait thumbnail, but try and tell that to Jimmy.
@@Godhorus yeah bro what you talking about
@@Godhorus If someone’s name is in the title of the video, it’s supposed to be about him. That’s like talking about Christmas and presents, leaving cookies out, but ain’t got nothing to do with Santa Claus
Gilbert is one of the few hoopers from his era that actually looks objectively at the game and calls it for what it is. If only more retired players would clear their biases out of the way, there would be a much more interesting discussion about players throughout the NBA's existence and the evolution that has taken place.
Jeremy Lin is that you
Well he also wasn't a physical player and his style of play fits more of today's players. So he's a bit bias in answering these types of questions.
This is a lie, GILBERT is a biased faker, always fitting the narrative to be in Grace's with LABUM.
It's the old get off my lawn argument players now are actually better they are wayyyyy more skilled and bigger if anything just like in the NFL
@@ruffruff7430 naw he was right dudes team (Rasheed) got cooked by lebron and he act like it ain't happen like come on
It’s all just gatekeeping at the end of the day isn’t it. Greats will be great regardless of when they play🤷♂️
I can't believe so many oldheads are so closed minded. I've become more open with age so I guess that's just my bias.
They just mad jelly Lebron still balling at an elite level at late 30’s when these guys were retired or one foot out the door lmao
@@CRISNCHIPS12398 I’m mean I lowkey miss 2012-2016 lebron after that he got boring to me he play smart now but I wanna see him go boom on someone aka dunking I watch basketball for entertainment and that’s why curry been the guy for me
@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 he probably wouldnt play this long if he did that. He’s playing smart and protecting his body and he’s still entertaining but he doesn’t have to risk a bad injury for the fans.
@@TheSuperNats I know that but like bruh I miss when wade threw an alley to him and he jump over a nigga head heat lebron was the best🤷♂️
To be fair, Wallace was older than Lebron. Just because they played against each other, doesn't mean they are the same era. Wallace was on his way out as Lebron was just getting started. Thats like saying Mike & Dr. J were the same era, even though they played each other. No
"every era has generational players, and they'd thrive in any era"
Slow nod.
Old era were more physical than now that’s facts lol 😂
Nope…sorry. They are smaller. No REAL bigs in the league. they’d get ran over by shaq, even vladi 🥴
@@keelsmac01 because the standards have risen, no star that spectacular will ever rise again.
@@kingstuntman4616 yeah but new is more focused on the basics and strategy
Lebron is so impactful that he’s helping people keep their jobs. A true goat
2nd Goat
Griffin is the firs in a few block away with
"❌ *DONT READ MY NAME* ❌"
So inspirational
@@2WayJdot Yea MJ is No. 1 no debate
I mean Steve Nash would be the Goat then he got people like Marcin Gortat a Max contract
“He would of held his own but I can’t say he would have been a beast”
Fast forward to bron dunking on his head lmaooo😂😂
Fast forward and he broke his right hand during a sweep.....
Fast forward even more and "Bron" is a fake phony that flops all over the place like a fish out of water lmaooooo
@@geesehoward357 Rewind, a sweep versing a superteam and a team with only LeBron James and Kevin Love who also destroyed the entire east and made it too the finals and with Kyrie
The og's are going to say the "G" word, GENOCIDE, eventually. Whats Lechina James going to say then? "Im still r-r-researching?"
Larry bird as an old man would out play labron too tho.. That was a horrendous comparison
Shows how these nba players and Jordan fans are hating on LeBron. GOAT 🐐.
“The Cap 🧢 is Immaculate” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
This channel is so addicting ngl 😂
what’s g00D el
@@vishalnadimpalli8480 yo sup Vishal have u seen my other comment it got 1.5k likes lol
Let me end this argument:
Muggsy bogues played in the 90s at 5'3 without a 3pt shot. don't tell me the era was too physical for current players 😂😂
You missing the point .... he not mentioned as one of the best either . THATS the argument of course they would be good players but they wouldn’t get mentioned as one of the best
@@waanb4312 no your missing the point. People say LeBron wouldn't be good or great in that era because he's too soft. Well if that era was SOO physical and hard to play how come a 5"3 guy made it? If muggsy bogues did well in that era, LeBron would do great. There's a GIANT leap between muggsy and LBJ
I'm not even a fan of his either I'm just not based lol
@@carrot7215
What team LeBron joining in the 90s to win a ring?
@@DemonKing-oi4jd what does that have to do with my comment? Lol
@@carrot7215 mark price a 6 ft pt guard who is part of the 50 40 90 club survived in that "physical" era too
Greatest players would thrive in any era ! Totally nailed it, nothing more to say.
Such as Steph Curry!
@@disingenuity8668 absolutely !
I’m glad you recognized the league changed the rules to manufacture star players. It’s not the players fault. It’s the league that created the system that pumps up the stat lines for these guys to make them marketable.
Exactly the same over here, 🏴 football is absolutely shocking now, this era of “superstar” is so protected because of financial reasons, it’s a business now, not a sport, probably same with 🏀
Too much money has ruined the game, deffo taken the passion away.
@@georgejung5429 football definitely isn’t the same mate idk what ur own about
@@uncled281 if you don’t see it then I feel bad for you.
The sport is ruined by money, they are protected now, it’s a business, not a sport.
@@georgejung5429 but how , I feel like in basketball it’s different with free throws and stuff , maybe VAR so I can see where ur coming from never the less my experience watching football is still enjoyable
@@uncled281 you English or American?
Fair enough with throws from the line, me personally, I love watching basketball, yes it’s a very soft sport, but they are great athletes and it’s end to end. Enjoyable to watch.
Football isn’t enjoyable for an Englishman anymore if you’re part of my generation that grew up watching real football, skilful players, early 2000s to around 2008 was it’s peak, still passion in the game, it’s a dwindled away…
The guys are too rich and it ain’t a local sport anymore, too many foreigners playing in the premier league, the standard has gotten worse, the player YES is quicker, fitter, faster but trust me, they can’t play football, they’ve made the style of player taller & thinner and focused less on what they can do with the ball.
The standard is 5/10 with only a dozen or so WORLD CLASS players in the league. That’s a poor stat given there’s 250+ players.
“Cap Alart” 😂 Jimmy the goat!
Best b-ball vid on that topic 👌 😅 but we all have to agree that 80's and 90's basketball was more exciting...
"KD is just tall" as if being tall af with a huge wingspan isn't literally the best build you can have in the NBA
Yea he’s tripping, talking about he’s just tall, he’s also one of the best scorers in the nba, maybe even all time, and with his height and him being able to shoot, KD was bound for greatness
You aren't always at your max wingspan at all times while you are playing...you have to dribble, run, create space, jump. There are numerous ways to guard any size person. Yall acting like KD is running down the court with his arms all the way up with a ball in his hand so you can't touch it.
@lita when he said that I knew the interviewer look at him like you’re just full of it literally there’s never ever in the history of basket ball a player like kd ever existed Jordan and Kobe acknowledge him and that’s all that matter everybody else 🤷🏾♂️
Kd probably would literally been folded in the past era if he endured all of it. He probably still would’ve played crazy, but I think he’d end up more banged up physically
being tall is over looked, but its usually key to having a long career, tall and a great jump shooter, now that is very special in my opinion