Thanks for this! New to DG and my introduction to MVP was this year's gyropalooza box. Had a hard time figuring out which disc was which plastic, but this cleared it up. Also to add: if a putter is firm or soft, it will have an (S) or an (F) after the stamped weight on the bottom.
Thanks for the video. I learned a little bit even. I’m glad you mentioned your experiences with the different plastics. I just bought an MVP ION in their R2 Neutron Plastic, which is the environment friendly Recycled plastic. I think they take lab second Neutrons, grind them up, and reuse the plastic. Either way the disc feels a tad softer and more gummy than typical Neutron. All Black disc with a white rim looks awesome too.
Loved the video! I have been throwing mostly MVP/Streamline the last year or so and I have had the same experience with cosmic electron plastic always being a bit stiffer than a typical electron of the same disc. I also find any cosmic plastic to be a touch more stable brand new. I love it because I can throw the same mold just different plastic and weights and get all kinds of shots. Overall I think MVP has some of the best plastic for my game.
Everybody has different hands, grips, arms speeds and throw styles… the gyro has a huge impact on all that and how we are all different, the overmold helps some, hurts some….. for me personally, I throw the overmolds better than anything else. After that, the only discs I can throw consistently or worth a damn are with kastaplast k1 softs or discrafts esp flx…. I love the overmolds for my throw style.
What makes you think that a black MVP rim is heavier or more dense than a colored Axiom rim? The density is determined by the pressure of the injection process, they use more pressure with the rim than the plate in both MVP and Axiom. The reason that five of the same disc (any brand) will be slightly different weights, the pressure varies slightly while they are molding them.
My understanding is that there is a weight filler added to the plastic blend in the rim to increase the weight. Granted, nothing about filler is officially listed on MVPs website; it simply says it's "a heavier material" so without inside knowledge of MVPs production process I guess I'm not 100% sure how that is achieved.
I can’t say much about the denser overmold, but I use one of their putters (atom) as an approach disc and driving putter because it does have a great heft and slightly bulky hand feel. I don’t notice it as much in their higher speed discs though, I use the wave and photon for drivers and their heft and bend feel is sleek and fairly standard feeling with regards to weight
I hadn’t thought about the way the gyro tech would affect lighter discs like the Fission plastics. So if my MVP Neutron Octane flies flat to fade, would a Fission model fly the same path but further out? I’m going to need to check that out for sure.
I don’t know specifically either, but I do notice that their disc fly very consistently across weight ranges. I have a 172g and a 155g photon and both fly very similarly. This may be attributable to the overmold, possibly maintaining similar weight distribution on the rim and causing them to fly consistent
Great overview! Question about the plasma plastic. Have you ever thrown anything by Mint out of Austin? I just got my hands on a 'sublime' plastic jackalope from them and it is visually very similar to the plasma discs in your video. asking because I know that MVP molds all of Mint's discs.
So far it seems to break in about the same as all the other premium plastics for me but I don't throw the eclipse all that often so mine have not been seasoned all that much yet.
I have heard a lot of other people mention that plasma plastic gets too gummy if it gets too hot out to the point that the disc becomes almost floppy. Is that your experience in Minnesota as well?
Cosmic Neutron is definitely way more overstable than normal Neutron (with recent runs of both). Usually, at least. My Cosmic entropy is beefier than a normal neutron entropy for example.
@@jaboc83 Gotcha... I never knew anything about the Fission plastic other than I guess seeing the name on the website...after watching this, makes me want to try one out. That extra glide sounds sweet.
Is tsa made by MVP? I have a sublime freetail, and a tsa synapse( which is hopelessly over stable) but when I say these 2 disc's are identical as far a plastic, color, even injection lines. I mean identical, if you wiped the stamps and only looked at the top you'd never tell them apart. Mint is in Texas, MVP Michigan. Does MVP make mint too?
My understanding is that MVP makes at least some discs for Mint, TSA and possibly others. I don't think either side has come forward to say it officially though
Why are disc golf brands/manufacturer s all so wink wink hush hush about how they operate? I don't want to call it shady, but something just feels off. Like why are there so many trilogy companies? Why do only a couple of companies actually make the disc? Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets? These are the things that keep me awake at night...
No malice in this, but you would stand to gain by working on the pace of your diction. I had to watch this at 1.25x (and was tempted by 1.5x but didn't want to miss any details) just to make it through, fighting the temptation to just close it.
Thanks for this! New to DG and my introduction to MVP was this year's gyropalooza box. Had a hard time figuring out which disc was which plastic, but this cleared it up. Also to add: if a putter is firm or soft, it will have an (S) or an (F) after the stamped weight on the bottom.
Watched the entire thing, and I enjoyed it all. I love throwing MVP, and found everything you said to be very accurate. Well done.
I appreciate you hanging in there to the end. I know it's pretty long and rambling.
Axiom does have weighted rims.
Thanks for the video. I learned a little bit even. I’m glad you mentioned your experiences with the different plastics. I just bought an MVP ION in their R2 Neutron Plastic, which is the environment friendly Recycled plastic. I think they take lab second Neutrons, grind them up, and reuse the plastic. Either way the disc feels a tad softer and more gummy than typical Neutron. All Black disc with a white rim looks awesome too.
Thanks Jake. Really enjoyed this video - not just the descriptions of the plastics, but also your experiences throwing them. Great content!
I appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Great content and very informative! Thank you for taking the time to do this in depth video
You are very welcome! Glad it was helpful :)
Loved the video! I have been throwing mostly MVP/Streamline the last year or so and I have had the same experience with cosmic electron plastic always being a bit stiffer than a typical electron of the same disc. I also find any cosmic plastic to be a touch more stable brand new. I love it because I can throw the same mold just different plastic and weights and get all kinds of shots. Overall I think MVP has some of the best plastic for my game.
love the video! i’ve been throwing ions for years but i wanted to try some other molds as well and this video was exactly what i was looking for!
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching
Awesome video Jake thank you
Everybody has different hands, grips, arms speeds and throw styles… the gyro has a huge impact on all that and how we are all different, the overmold helps some, hurts some….. for me personally, I throw the overmolds better than anything else. After that, the only discs I can throw consistently or worth a damn are with kastaplast k1 softs or discrafts esp flx…. I love the overmolds for my throw style.
Thanks for making this video! I enjoyed watching, I'll have to try out some fission discs.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video helped clear it up
What makes you think that a black MVP rim is heavier or more dense than a colored Axiom rim?
The density is determined by the pressure of the injection process, they use more pressure with the rim than the plate in both MVP and Axiom.
The reason that five of the same disc (any brand) will be slightly different weights, the pressure varies slightly while they are molding them.
My understanding is that there is a weight filler added to the plastic blend in the rim to increase the weight. Granted, nothing about filler is officially listed on MVPs website; it simply says it's "a heavier material" so without inside knowledge of MVPs production process I guess I'm not 100% sure how that is achieved.
Thanks for all the info.
Thanks for watching
I like a disc that feels heavier in the hand. Seems like these might since the weight is on the edge.
They Definitely do!
I can’t say much about the denser overmold, but I use one of their putters (atom) as an approach disc and driving putter because it does have a great heft and slightly bulky hand feel. I don’t notice it as much in their higher speed discs though, I use the wave and photon for drivers and their heft and bend feel is sleek and fairly standard feeling with regards to weight
Man, that dartboard is killing me. 😬😋
I only knew of 4 of their plastics, had no idea
I hadn’t thought about the way the gyro tech would affect lighter discs like the Fission plastics. So if my MVP Neutron Octane flies flat to fade, would a Fission model fly the same path but further out? I’m going to need to check that out for sure.
Yeah I'm not sure if it actually makes a difference or if it's just in my head, but I love me some fission :)
I don’t know specifically either, but I do notice that their disc fly very consistently across weight ranges. I have a 172g and a 155g photon and both fly very similarly. This may be attributable to the overmold, possibly maintaining similar weight distribution on the rim and causing them to fly consistent
Great video. 👍🏼
Thanks
Great overview!
Question about the plasma plastic. Have you ever thrown anything by Mint out of Austin? I just got my hands on a 'sublime' plastic jackalope from them and it is visually very similar to the plasma discs in your video. asking because I know that MVP molds all of Mint's discs.
I have once or twice and it definitely feels similar if not the same.
Maybe the closest thing to plasma is Discraft's Titanium or Innova's Shimmer Star plastics
How do you feel the eclipse plastic breaks in?
So far it seems to break in about the same as all the other premium plastics for me but I don't throw the eclipse all that often so mine have not been seasoned all that much yet.
I have heard a lot of other people mention that plasma plastic gets too gummy if it gets too hot out to the point that the disc becomes almost floppy. Is that your experience in Minnesota as well?
I have definitely never noticed it getting that soft but I also don't think I've ever played with it much over 100F here.
Cosmic Neutron is definitely way more overstable than normal Neutron (with recent runs of both). Usually, at least. My Cosmic entropy is beefier than a normal neutron entropy for example.
Cosmic Neutron is very hard. At least for my Streamline Stabilizer. Very very stiff. Maybe that's why they're more overstable?
Would Plasma be similar to the metal flake discs? Thanks for the video, very informative! Enjoyed it.
Visually for sure. I've never held or thrown any to know for sure
@@jaboc83 Gotcha... I never knew anything about the Fission plastic other than I guess seeing the name on the website...after watching this, makes me want to try one out. That extra glide sounds sweet.
Definitely more like discraft titanium. There’s not flakes in normal plasma.
Lmao I’m almost two month in and I’m over 600 dollars in mvp disc lmao . I like stamps lol
It is a bit on the nose for MVP to use Cosmic as a plastic name.
RPM have been selling Cosmic plastic for many years.
I have a thought space (manufactured by mvp) synapse that appears to be plasma proton. It seems to be experimental. Too bad it’s uselessly overstable.
Is tsa made by MVP? I have a sublime freetail, and a tsa synapse( which is hopelessly over stable) but when I say these 2 disc's are identical as far a plastic, color, even injection lines. I mean identical, if you wiped the stamps and only looked at the top you'd never tell them apart. Mint is in Texas, MVP Michigan. Does MVP make mint too?
My understanding is that MVP makes at least some discs for Mint, TSA and possibly others. I don't think either side has come forward to say it officially though
Why are disc golf brands/manufacturer s all so wink wink hush hush about how they operate? I don't want to call it shady, but something just feels off. Like why are there so many trilogy companies? Why do only a couple of companies actually make the disc? Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets? These are the things that keep me awake at night...
100% electron plastic is the best base plastic.
No malice in this, but you would stand to gain by working on the pace of your diction. I had to watch this at 1.25x (and was tempted by 1.5x but didn't want to miss any details) just to make it through, fighting the temptation to just close it.
Appreciate the feedback