I do miss Andy Rooney. He was a staple of 60 Minutes for so long and always gave me good points to think about. This is no different. From one Army Vet to another: I cannot thank you enough, Andy. RIP
War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. -Major General Smedley Butler
Those of you who haven't served should try to do a better job of seperating the war from the warrior. We don't get to choose the war our leaders send us to fight, but we do get to choose how we conduct our own small portion of it. The men and women I served with conducted theirs with honor and as much compassion as war allows. Direct your anger at the leaders you elected.
If you have never served, you wouldn't understand. On Memorial Day, you remember what ever you like, some of you will remember nothing. I for one will remember, honor and show the respect that is due. I believe my service and that of others has somehow allowed Xerock and others of similar minds to write what they write, say what they say and think as they wish. War is as old as man and there will always be those who believe in their cause and others who do not. I believe.
its so true, i dont get why people cant see right from wrong and stop there senseless killings. Andy sure is smart and a great man who surprisingly is a vetran, have a nice memorial day.
Making assumptions is human nature. Also it's not about being left or right. It's just about what's fair. Letting everyone have the same rights regardless of what or who they are just seems like the right thing to do.
Normally i think Andy is a crazy old coot good for a few laughs, but here he shows his true wisdom. Really cuts through the patriotic BS and points out that war is man's biggest failure as a species.
This is one man's opinion / thought on the subject. It's almost comical how there are people on this thread who would practically start a war in order to defend their cherished opinions.
actually that wouldnt be a bad idea, as we have so many religions to divide people and to give people more reasons to hate eachother and kill eachother and cause loads of havoc, chaos, and of course war. andy always has something great and wise to say.
I agree with probably 90% of what he said. However, the wording of the phrase "gave their life" was NEVER intended to be taken literally, which he seems to imply. Obviously, the point of that phrase is to refer to the patriotism and the personal sacrifice that individual took upon themselves to fight for and defend this great nation...and in doing so gave their all.
If the Shiite's didn't strike a nerve with me, it is doubtful that you can. I share your frustration...that is the point I'm trying to make. It is not as simple as one would like to make it appear. I am not pro war, just as I'm not pro Democrat or pro Republican. This all simply started as a conversation about remembering the lives that have been TAKEN. I mourne all loss and believe that those in positions of political and financial power are ultimately responsible.
To GWBUSHAPOS: As a combat Veteran I sincerely hope you are not breeding... Based on your hatred based and angry comments you are unworthy of those who protect you. You MIGHT have served, but even if you did, your words betray a cowardice that cannot possibly serve peace or humankind.
OK, this got out of hand. I apologize. My intent was not to make personal attacks. I am just very upset that we allowed Bush/Cheney to devastate a country on clearly false pretenses. Andy is no different in that regard.
Tell a parent or widow their son's life was wasted. Tell an Iraqi family who no longer fears a regime that would torture or kill them on a whim that US efforts were a waste. Tell Afgan schoolgirls their freedom to attend school was a waste. If we cannot standup for others freedom then who would stand up for ours when they come for us?
TO LOCKBERT99... You ask :Who will remember...?" Certainly not you. While you scurry about trying to establish who was right and who was wrong and flaming on the net, we who fought and those who were lost on both sides are appropriately mourned. I think the true meaning of "loss" is lost on you.
"Tell a parent or widow their son's life was wasted. Tell an Iraqi family who no longer fears a regime that would torture or kill them on a whim that US efforts were a waste. Tell Afgan schoolgirls their freedom to attend school was a waste. If we cannot standup for others freedom then who would stand up for ours when they come for us? " 2 can play this game. You should tell a child in North korea that their doesnt have enough oil or their leader havent killed enough ppl to warrant a rescue
@godverdegodverdomme yes, yes. villify me. Demonize me. Attack me personally. You're right. I have no idea what is going on. But you? You are sensational! I consider myself enlightened by your every word. I hope our future generations are just like you. Thank you for your valuable insight.
War is not a pleasant thing, and no one hates it more than those who fight. However, sometimes war is necessary, and there are times when talking and diplomacy can't solve disputes, or when a country is attacked unprovoked. Sadly, this is human nature, and no matter what people do to change that, there will always be other people who choose war, and thus we are all forced to choose it also, or be destroyed.
I'm sorry Andy Rooney. The goal of war is not to cause death. The goal of a just war is to protect life and freedom and to win victory over an enemy that would take that freedom and the lives of the innocent. War is not moral or immoral. An unjust war is immoral. A just war is moral. Mr. Rooney I hope you would understand that distinction and not paint with such a broad brush. It is unfair to our nation and the men and women who have defended our country both in the armed services at at home.
...my logic is simply this -listen to the individuals verbal cadence...listen for a logical, calm explanation. As Rooney has aged his emotional state has gently taken a dip off of rational clear headedness and delved into extremes with his assumptions. ...as some age they become calmer & wiser while others become mired in their own emotional angst -a simple illustration of this would be comparing someone like David Letterman to Dennis Miller -Miller is much cooler,calmer and respectful.
Nobody wants or enjoys war however Rooney's previous rants have shown him to be an unstable lunatic of vast proportion...when you have ruined your credibility due to sanity issues as he has it makes it difficult to accept him (as opposed to his message) as a stable person grounded in common sense that should be listened to.
Sigh ... misguided. Those who died, gave us the right to even think about this attempt to alter a day set aside for them into some kind of peace day they themselves died giving us. This idea of changing memorial day away from those who gave us the right to even have that thought of change is ludicrous.
I do miss Andy Rooney. He was a staple of 60 Minutes for so long and always gave me good points to think about. This is no different. From one Army Vet to another: I cannot thank you enough, Andy. RIP
In 2023 this still hits hard. Always will.
and 2024.
Unbelievable, regardless of semantics, that he gets the message so spot on.
War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
-Major General Smedley Butler
I believe this is His best commentary.
You could tell it still tears him up remembering his dead friends.
Those of you who haven't served should try to do a better job of seperating the war from the warrior. We don't get to choose the war our leaders send us to fight, but we do get to choose how we conduct our own small portion of it. The men and women I served with conducted theirs with honor and as much compassion as war allows. Direct your anger at the leaders you elected.
Powerful words.
Finally somebody who uses the rational part of their brain instead of barking out baseless claims.
It's a good commentary from Andy.
If you have never served, you wouldn't understand. On Memorial Day, you remember what ever you like, some of you will remember nothing. I for one will remember, honor and show the respect that is due. I believe my service and that of others has somehow allowed Xerock and others of similar minds to write what they write, say what they say and think as they wish. War is as old as man and there will always be those who believe in their cause and others who do not. I believe.
Amen Andy...!
its so true, i dont get why people cant see right from wrong and stop there senseless killings. Andy sure is smart and a great man who surprisingly is a vetran, have a nice memorial day.
Making assumptions is human nature. Also it's not about being left or right. It's just about what's fair. Letting everyone have the same rights regardless of what or who they are just seems like the right thing to do.
Wow ! Hits home !
Normally i think Andy is a crazy old coot good for a few laughs, but here he shows his true wisdom. Really cuts through the patriotic BS and points out that war is man's biggest failure as a species.
This is one man's opinion / thought on the subject. It's almost comical how there are people on this thread who would practically start a war in order to defend their cherished opinions.
Isnt that the truth. You said Andy , you said it . Lives taken away . Yeah it's time. to put war away for good once ,and for all .
I agree ... with you
Thanks for making my point.
actually that wouldnt be a bad idea, as we have so many religions to divide people and to give people more reasons to hate eachother and kill eachother and cause loads of havoc, chaos, and of course war. andy always has something great and wise to say.
BANG ON ROONEY
Sounds like Andy Rooney is yearning for a Ron Paul type government where there are fewer wars and less war mongers acting tough with our young people.
Andy, fighting and greed are a part of human nature Those that have will fight for more and those that don't will fight to get it.
Well, that’s a pretty simplistic view
I agree with probably 90% of what he said. However, the wording of the phrase "gave their life" was NEVER intended to be taken literally, which he seems to imply.
Obviously, the point of that phrase is to refer to the patriotism and the personal sacrifice that individual took upon themselves to fight for and defend this great nation...and in doing so gave their all.
If the Shiite's didn't strike a nerve with me, it is doubtful that you can. I share your frustration...that is the point I'm trying to make. It is not as simple as one would like to make it appear. I am not pro war, just as I'm not pro Democrat or pro Republican. This all simply started as a conversation about remembering the lives that have been TAKEN. I mourne all loss and believe that those in positions of political and financial power are ultimately responsible.
let everybody else fight for their own.
To GWBUSHAPOS:
As a combat Veteran I sincerely hope you are not breeding...
Based on your hatred based and angry comments you are unworthy of those who protect you.
You MIGHT have served, but even if you did, your words betray a cowardice that cannot possibly serve peace or humankind.
Freedom is America's alone?
then who would help us when they come for us?
It seems you omitted 'Anti-American' to your profile...odd since it's the most obvious.
Why the hatred? Are you really any better than those you disagree with when you resort to comments like yours? I hope you really think about that.
Yes, the US drafted millions but millions joined up on their own. That's a concept not understood by many today.
OK, this got out of hand. I apologize. My intent was not to make personal attacks. I am just very upset that we allowed Bush/Cheney to devastate a country on clearly false pretenses. Andy is no different in that regard.
I think he probably would have said Kenny G instead of Eddie G, but was alerted of the unintentional humor that might pose.
Tell a parent or widow their son's life was wasted. Tell an Iraqi family who no longer fears a regime that would torture or kill them on a whim that US efforts were a waste. Tell Afgan schoolgirls their freedom to attend school was a waste. If we cannot standup for others freedom then who would stand up for ours when they come for us?
Watch it again. You missed the point.
TO LOCKBERT99...
You ask :Who will remember...?" Certainly not you. While you scurry about trying to establish who was right and who was wrong and flaming on the net, we who fought and those who were lost on both sides are appropriately mourned. I think the true meaning of "loss" is lost on you.
"Tell a parent or widow their son's life was wasted. Tell an Iraqi family who no longer fears a regime that would torture or kill them on a whim that US efforts were a waste. Tell Afgan schoolgirls their freedom to attend school was a waste. If we cannot standup for others freedom then who would stand up for ours when they come for us? "
2 can play this game. You should tell a child in North korea that their doesnt have enough oil or their leader havent killed enough ppl to warrant a rescue
@godverdegodverdomme yes, yes. villify me. Demonize me. Attack me personally. You're right. I have no idea what is going on. But you? You are sensational! I consider myself enlightened by your every word. I hope our future generations are just like you. Thank you for your valuable insight.
War is not a pleasant thing, and no one hates it more than those who fight. However, sometimes war is necessary, and there are times when talking and diplomacy can't solve disputes, or when a country is attacked unprovoked.
Sadly, this is human nature, and no matter what people do to change that, there will always be other people who choose war, and thus we are all forced to choose it also, or be destroyed.
I'm sorry Andy Rooney. The goal of war is not to cause death. The goal of a just war is to protect life and freedom and to win victory over an enemy that would take that freedom and the lives of the innocent.
War is not moral or immoral.
An unjust war is immoral.
A just war is moral.
Mr. Rooney I hope you would understand that distinction and not paint with such a broad brush. It is unfair to our nation and the men and women who have defended our country both in the armed services at at home.
Some of you guys need to learn how to think! Their are mindless puppets on both sides of this argument!
Fuck War....
...my logic is simply this -listen to the individuals verbal cadence...listen for a logical, calm explanation.
As Rooney has aged his emotional state has gently taken a dip off of rational clear headedness and delved into extremes with his assumptions.
...as some age they become calmer & wiser while others become mired in their own emotional angst -a simple illustration of this would be comparing someone like David Letterman to Dennis Miller -Miller is much cooler,calmer and respectful.
@rocketnerd if it were woman it would be just as bad in a different way
The US doesn't draft it's military.
Nobody wants or enjoys war however Rooney's previous rants have shown him to be an unstable lunatic of vast proportion...when you have ruined your credibility due to sanity issues as he has it makes it difficult to accept him (as opposed to his message) as a stable person grounded in common sense that should be listened to.
@godverdegodverdomme Right again. Nothing gets by you.
NO ... but this wouldn't stop oil-eager Uncle Sam .
Sigh ... misguided. Those who died, gave us the right to even think about this attempt to alter a day set aside for them into some kind of peace day they themselves died giving us. This idea of changing memorial day away from those who gave us the right to even have that thought of change is ludicrous.