That was the bit in the movie that stayed with me, even more than the ending. She'd been holding it together until then but you can see that that line just broke her.
This scene is so powerful because it shows the nuances of cynicism. Somerset is a bitter cynical man who believes the world is irreparable. But like most cynics he remembers the idea of hope and idealism. He doesn't convince Tracy to agree with him. He sees someone leading down the same road he went down and tells her she doesnt have to follow him. She can choose hope. I'm a cynical person and I work every day to become better because I don't want people to view things the way I do so I relate to Somerset in this scene. I want people to believe in hope. And as bitter and jaded as Somerset has become, I believe he does too
i do my best to deliberately avoid expressing my opinion on many things and will outright refuse to talk about many things because i don't want anyone else to adopt any of my opinions even if the chances of that are basically zero i don't want to risk it. It'd be nice if i could get better but i really can't because this world can't offer me any kind of carrot, it can only ever beat me with the stick.
@@knightacedia Same thing with me. I’m 54yrs old and when I look back at myself when I was 24, 34 and 44, I wish I still had the same hope I had for humanity. But I just can’t see it anymore. I wouldn’t say I’ve become pessimistic, but I’m definitely preparing myself for whatever.
I interpreted it as "You're bringing the child up in a hellish world of shit so you better go out of your way and try extra harder than you would otherwise do to make it up to the child by giving them as much happiness and hope that you can to help he/her survive".
@Akshay Natu Even that is difficult. There's always the media and news. There's alot of bullying in schools these days.....I got picked on relentlessly. Plus low crime areas are rather expensive. The Mills lived in a rather nice but inexpensive apartment.......because the train went by and shook the place up every 10-30 minutes. At least they'll have their dogs for awhile.
One of my favorite scenes. Everything I love about Gwyneth is in this scene. She has such a lovely, expressive face. When she cries you want to cry along with her ...
I don't think it's that, I think she does want the baby but she sees the city more like Somerset she can't imagine raising a child in such an environment but she knows her husband won't want to move he asked to be transferred their , as Somerset tells him "you want to be a champion" mills thinks he can make a difference and change that environment.
It's a crime Morgan Freeman didn't win the Oscar for his performance. He was mesmerising in this film. Absolutely world class acting. He's one of the best American actors that's ever lived. Up there with Brando.
At least he’s got one for Million Dollar Baby. He truly nails every role he’s in. This one, Million Dollar Baby, Prince of Thieves, Lean on Me, Unforgiven, Glory, The Dark Knight
As funny as this may sound, I think Gwyneth Paltrow is an underrated actor. She doesn't always pick the right projects, and she isn't always consistent with her performances. But when she knocks it out of the park, she really knocks it out of the park. Her few scenes in this film are proof of that.
I agree, I think she’s really great in this movie, this scene in particular. Her reaction when Somerset tells her to spoil the kid is absolutely fantastic
This scene is memorable. Gwyneth Paltrow and Morgan Freeman's actings are convincing in that scene. Paltrow is a good actress, no matter what people say about her in the medias.
She was a good actress. Untill she started to sell expensive crap and convinced poor people that a stone or necklaces will better their lives. So no, no respect.
This scene used to be great cinematic fodder to me. Classic, Americana, crime-noir. It used to be. The suiting reality, the foreboding nature of this scene is hauntingly poignant when examined parallel to our world. In the mid-nineties, during the heyday of the western world, I thought, I'm so glad this is mere fiction. After re-watching this dynamo of a film throughout the years, this scene gradually became more frightening. And now, at 37, I find this poetic and at the same time problematic for the conundrum it presents me with. Damn. I wish the realism of this scene didn't grow. It's too indicative of our present day. I do want kids but ... who knows.
Times haven't changed. You have with age. Also we hear more about Bad things happening because News is ever present unlike how it was in the mid 90s. The World is the same. You're just more aware of what's going on
One of the keys of Seven is the personal relationships between the characters. They are so well developed, so well written, and so well played that you always want to be with them, follow them all the time, and suffer with them
Poor Tracy was so isolated and alone with her husband gone all the time, she had to turn to his partner for someone to talk to. Her isolation is probably the reason she let John Doe into their apartment.
My younger brother has sever autism. He's almost thirty now. We had a checkered upbringing. I don't get to see him as often these days. What Somerset or Freeman sais here always sticks out in my head when I think about it. If anyone's reading this take care of yourself and others around you.
(Somersets regret for committed sin in the past.) Great scene in restaurant Tracy meets Somerset and he becomes Tracy's confidante. Upon learning she is pregnant but has not told her husband, Somerset confides in her his fear that the city is no place to start a family, and reveals he had ended a relationship years earlier after pressuring his girlfriend to have an abortion. Somerset advises her to not tell Mills if she plans to have an abortion. (Someone noticed at the background music from The Third Man. Is the "third man" innocent unborn children? His in the past and her (and of movie ? (Pro choice-pro life) William Somerset: I had a relationship once. It was very much like a marriage. We got pregnant. This was long time ago. I remember getting up one morning and going to work. Just another day like any other, except it was the first day after I knew about pregnancy. And I felt this fear for the first time ever. I remember thinking, "How can I bring a child into a world like this? How can a person grow up with all this around them?" I told her I didn't want to have it, and over the next few weeks, I wore her down. Tracy Mills: I want to have children. William Somerset: I can tell you now that I know... I mean, I'm positive... that I made the right decision. But there's not a day that passes that I don't wish that I had made a DIFFERENT CHOICE. (Is that confession of Somersets sin and regret?) If you don't keep the baby - I mean, if that's your decision - don't ever tell him that you were pregnant. But if you choose to have this baby, you spoil that kid every chance you get. [Tracy starts crying] That's about all the advice I can give you, Tracy.
I realized I grew up to be like Somerset. I used to have hope and optimism until my eyes were open to the real world and the selfish instincts of humanity. 2020 has told me humanity is irredeemable and quite possibly doomed, but little bits of hope get me out of bed.
I agree in some way but also I don't. I still know a lot of people who are good and kind and want to do the right thing(I'm from Ireland) but I'm not gonna lie, I seem to find that a lot of people from the US are very selfish and don't give a damn about others. Other countries, I don't see that but in America, it's a huge problem. There are some good people but Jesus fucking Christ, sometimes they need to get their heads out of their arses. Between their politics, their "it's either you or me" thought process, lack of education, healthcare, infatuation with billionaires(who don't give a fuck about yis) and their simping for politicians too(most of them are cunts, some do good, most don't but the idealization for both Trump and Biden makes no sense to me).
@@niallh4194 Western society has been going down the toilet. We embrace narcissism and greed. Feelings over logic and truth. We pride ourselves upon trampling upon others to get ahead. Just look at how we bark at each other over politics. We can't even learn to work together over a damn pandemic.
SPOILER ALERT!!! She's scared that Mills wouldn't want the baby as his child. Yet, in the ending, before Mills pulled that trigger on Doe, The look on his face, after he found out from that insane murderer that his wife was pregnant, It REALLY did say that he truly wanted to have that child. Such tragedy, indeed.
I remember I was in that situation when this movie came out and felt the same pain she did! When Morgan Freeman said that line to make her cry, I burst into tears at the movie theater! I knew he was talking to me! Now I have 21 year old beautiful twin ladies😊
This movie makes me want to hear Morgan Freeman's character describe GOOP treatments as if they were ritualistic crime scenes: "Someone inserted a jade egg into the victim's genitalia. Over the course of several hours, blood was pumped from the body, then re-injected directly into the facial muscles. Finally, needles tipped with bee venom were inserted into some of the most sensitive places--and they took their time about it too."
I was rewatching this today and I thought she looked really drunk or stoned or something. So I googled Gwyneth Paltrow drugs and found an article about an interview where she says she did so many drugs in the nineties she doesn't even remember.
Can someone explain why freeman told her to "Spoil the child every chance she gets" I watched this movie about 3 times and I still dont understand why he told ger to do that.
@@freddym.m.9424 I think he means it in terms of shielding the child from the viciousness of the world... but in a sense it would blind her from its perils.
there is a reason why they call them actors,/ actresses. for the most part ,they can not, it is hard for them to live here and now. they get paid for lying, ....entertaining
he was OK in the electric company. that was in the 70s . my opinion, stop doing so many films. get off the jack. do something trying, besides the voice from insurance commercial. oh, your one and the same. ? duh
Tracys immediate reaction when Somerset says "...spoil that kid every chance you get.", so powerful. Great acting and writing.
Eric Rice well put.
I only like the actress in the movies.
Gets me every time 😢
That was the bit in the movie that stayed with me, even more than the ending. She'd been holding it together until then but you can see that that line just broke her.
@@GacMan47 I'd like to thank the academy (on everyone's behalf)
This scene is so powerful because it shows the nuances of cynicism. Somerset is a bitter cynical man who believes the world is irreparable. But like most cynics he remembers the idea of hope and idealism. He doesn't convince Tracy to agree with him. He sees someone leading down the same road he went down and tells her she doesnt have to follow him. She can choose hope. I'm a cynical person and I work every day to become better because I don't want people to view things the way I do so I relate to Somerset in this scene. I want people to believe in hope. And as bitter and jaded as Somerset has become, I believe he does too
Very clever comment.
“ ‘The world is a fine place. *And worth fighting for.*’ I agree with the second part.”
i do my best to deliberately avoid expressing my opinion on many things and will outright refuse to talk about many things because i don't want anyone else to adopt any of my opinions even if the chances of that are basically zero i don't want to risk it. It'd be nice if i could get better but i really can't because this world can't offer me any kind of carrot, it can only ever beat me with the stick.
@@knightacedia
Same thing with me. I’m 54yrs old and when I look back at myself when I was 24, 34 and 44, I wish I still had the same hope I had for humanity.
But I just can’t see it anymore. I wouldn’t say I’ve become pessimistic, but I’m definitely preparing myself for whatever.
"Inside every cynical person is a disappointed idealist."
-George Carlin
Morgan should have won the oscar for this performance, wasn't even nominated.
Cause his black
His best performance. He deserved the Oscar 100%.
I interpreted it as "You're bringing the child up in a hellish world of shit so you better go out of your way and try extra harder than you would otherwise do to make it up to the child by giving them as much happiness and hope that you can to help he/her survive".
That's bang on the money current year.
@Akshay Natu
Even that is difficult.
There's always the media and news.
There's alot of bullying in schools these days.....I got picked on relentlessly.
Plus low crime areas are rather expensive.
The Mills lived in a rather nice but inexpensive apartment.......because the train went by and shook the place up every 10-30 minutes.
At least they'll have their dogs for awhile.
Her reaction to hearing his advice if she were to keep the child makes my heart break every time I see this scene. Life is sacred.
One of my favorite scenes. Everything I love about Gwyneth is in this scene. She has such a lovely, expressive face. When she cries you want to cry along with her ...
She so clearly wants the baby, but is so scared that Mills will reject her for it. This movie is so incredibly well done.
I don't think it's that, I think she does want the baby but she sees the city more like Somerset she can't imagine raising a child in such an environment but she knows her husband won't want to move he asked to be transferred their , as Somerset tells him "you want to be a champion" mills thinks he can make a difference and change that environment.
It's a crime Morgan Freeman didn't win the Oscar for his performance. He was mesmerising in this film. Absolutely world class acting. He's one of the best American actors that's ever lived. Up there with Brando.
At least he’s got one for Million Dollar Baby.
He truly nails every role he’s in. This one, Million Dollar Baby, Prince of Thieves, Lean on Me, Unforgiven, Glory, The Dark Knight
One of the most underrated film scenes of all time.
One thousand percent
Incredible acting, two amazing actors, this scene alone deserved an oscar. Sharp.
Freeman totally out acts everyone in this film except the police chief.
@@james87367 Spacey was spectacular too. On par with Freeman.
As funny as this may sound, I think Gwyneth Paltrow is an underrated actor. She doesn't always pick the right projects, and she isn't always consistent with her performances. But when she knocks it out of the park, she really knocks it out of the park. Her few scenes in this film are proof of that.
I agree, I think she’s really great in this movie, this scene in particular. Her reaction when Somerset tells her to spoil the kid is absolutely fantastic
This was shot in the same diner as the first scene with Denzel Washington and Ethan Hawke in Training Day
Interesting.
This scene is memorable. Gwyneth Paltrow and Morgan Freeman's actings are convincing in that scene.
Paltrow is a good actress, no matter what people say about her in the medias.
She was a good actress. Untill she started to sell expensive crap and convinced poor people that a stone or necklaces will better their lives. So no, no respect.
Anyone else notice the zither theme from "The Third Man" playing in the background? Very clever David Fincher
This scene stayed with me my whole life and journey through parenthood.
This scene used to be great cinematic fodder to me. Classic, Americana, crime-noir. It used to be. The suiting reality, the foreboding nature of this scene is hauntingly poignant when examined parallel to our world. In the mid-nineties, during the heyday of the western world, I thought, I'm so glad this is mere fiction. After re-watching this dynamo of a film throughout the years, this scene gradually became more frightening. And now, at 37, I find this poetic and at the same time problematic for the conundrum it presents me with. Damn. I wish the realism of this scene didn't grow. It's too indicative of our present day. I do want kids but ... who knows.
Times haven't changed. You have with age. Also we hear more about Bad things happening because News is ever present unlike how it was in the mid 90s. The World is the same. You're just more aware of what's going on
ironically in the movie both Mills and Somerset are parents of unborn children
what do u mean
@@albertnewton750 watch the movie
One of the keys of Seven is the personal relationships between the characters. They are so well developed, so well written, and so well played that you always want to be with them, follow them all the time, and suffer with them
Poor Tracy was so isolated and alone with her husband gone all the time, she had to turn to his partner for someone to talk to. Her isolation is probably the reason she let John Doe into their apartment.
And his main advice was basically “Buckle and get ready for the shitstorm or get off the ride” lol
My younger brother has sever autism. He's almost thirty now. We had a checkered upbringing. I don't get to see him as often these days. What Somerset or Freeman sais here always sticks out in my head when I think about it. If anyone's reading this take care of yourself and others around you.
She did not deserve the Oscar for Shakespeare in love but she is def talented, this scene alone proves it.
When people ask me why I don't have kids yet, I just recite this scene.
+CCJJ160Channels Why?
Acimo Morinas Kunst - the world's an ugly place. I, personally, would not want a child growing up with all this around them.
***** - Depends on where you live, I've seen plenty of ugly things. And having kids just to have them is pretty selfish too.
You recite a scene from a fictitious movie? You're ideals are fictitious. Having kids is beautiful.
Two Thumbs? This Guy. That's great, you have them then.
"Her pretty head..."
kevin spacey scared the hell out of me
(Somersets regret for committed sin in the past.) Great scene in restaurant Tracy meets Somerset and he becomes Tracy's confidante. Upon learning she is pregnant but has not told her husband, Somerset confides in her his fear that the city is no place to start a family, and reveals he had ended a relationship years earlier after pressuring his girlfriend to have an abortion. Somerset advises her to not tell Mills if she plans to have an abortion. (Someone noticed at the background music from The Third Man. Is the "third man" innocent unborn children? His in the past and her (and of movie ? (Pro choice-pro life)
William Somerset:
I had a relationship once. It was very much like a marriage. We got pregnant. This was long time ago. I remember getting up one morning and going to work. Just another day like any other, except it was the first day after I knew about pregnancy. And I felt this fear for the first time ever. I remember thinking, "How can I bring a child into a world like this? How can a person grow up with all this around them?" I told her I didn't want to have it, and over the next few weeks, I wore her down.
Tracy Mills: I want to have children.
William Somerset: I can tell you now that I know... I mean, I'm positive... that I made the right decision. But there's not a day that passes that I don't wish that I had made a DIFFERENT CHOICE. (Is that confession of Somersets sin and regret?) If you don't keep the baby - I mean, if that's your decision - don't ever tell him that you were pregnant. But if you choose to have this baby, you spoil that kid every chance you get. [Tracy starts crying] That's about all the advice I can give you, Tracy.
I realized I grew up to be like Somerset. I used to have hope and optimism until my eyes were open to the real world and the selfish instincts of humanity. 2020 has told me humanity is irredeemable and quite possibly doomed, but little bits of hope get me out of bed.
I agree in some way but also I don't. I still know a lot of people who are good and kind and want to do the right thing(I'm from Ireland) but I'm not gonna lie, I seem to find that a lot of people from the US are very selfish and don't give a damn about others. Other countries, I don't see that but in America, it's a huge problem. There are some good people but Jesus fucking Christ, sometimes they need to get their heads out of their arses. Between their politics, their "it's either you or me" thought process, lack of education, healthcare, infatuation with billionaires(who don't give a fuck about yis) and their simping for politicians too(most of them are cunts, some do good, most don't but the idealization for both Trump and Biden makes no sense to me).
@@niallh4194 Western society has been going down the toilet. We embrace narcissism and greed. Feelings over logic and truth. We pride ourselves upon trampling upon others to get ahead. Just look at how we bark at each other over politics. We can't even learn to work together over a damn pandemic.
This is definitely set in Gotham
SPOILER ALERT!!!
She's scared that Mills wouldn't want the baby as his child.
Yet, in the ending, before Mills pulled that trigger on Doe,
The look on his face, after he found out from that insane murderer that his wife was pregnant,
It REALLY did say that he truly wanted to have that child.
Such tragedy, indeed.
What a great thing to remember, how before the goop nonsense set in, Paltrow was just an up and coming actress doing her best.
That one moment breaks me every single time
every time tracy starts crying, i start too
OMGGG me too!!! I absolutely love this scene!
I remember I was in that situation when this movie came out and felt the same pain she did! When Morgan Freeman said that line to make her cry, I burst into tears at the movie theater! I knew he was talking to me! Now I have 21 year old beautiful twin ladies😊
Excellent underrated scene
Pay attention to the dialogue.
This movie makes me want to hear Morgan Freeman's character describe GOOP treatments as if they were ritualistic crime scenes:
"Someone inserted a jade egg into the victim's genitalia. Over the course of several hours, blood was pumped from the body, then re-injected directly into the facial muscles. Finally, needles tipped with bee venom were inserted into some of the most sensitive places--and they took their time about it too."
thanks for uploading this
Sad that this is the last time they're ever met...
Just when they started to understand each other's burden...
No they meet one more time .......at least him and her head lol
Two very talented actors.
I agree, but then, you could put all of Freeman's scenes in a row back to back, and it still wouldn't be enough.
Simply because this world is horrible, as Somerset always stated.
Why do people hate her so much
I love this movie so much.
He is just telling the truth only.
"She begged for her life and the baby inside her"......."Oh😊 he didnt know"...
Damn this exactly how I feel
How are you doing now?
I was rewatching this today and I thought she looked really drunk or stoned or something. So I googled Gwyneth Paltrow drugs and found an article about an interview where she says she did so many drugs in the nineties she doesn't even remember.
Ugh.... I felt that....
Oh that is me. TRACY=67
La mejor escena del cine
Really amazing, love to learn this actually lol... soooothing
Deleted scene: Tracy and Somerset get it on.
Does anyone knows what the piece that plays in the background is called?
I remember watching this & being in the same situation as Tracy, I also had a partner as Morgan Freeman described himself, I got worn down also ...
U still with him how is life?
@@KaranPatra-xr4yx thankfully not, live a much better life without him
@@ronniestar8762 good for u I m proud of u
💗❤💗
TRAINING DAY SCENE!
The firm.
What i should type type google to find this kind of movies?
drama, criminal, investigation?
***** thank you
Tommy Wanderer thriller
"The Bone Collector", starring Denzel Washington, Angelina Jolie, Queen Latifah, etc., has a similar 'true crime/film noir' feel to that of Seven
flash at .30 they are shooting porn.
Wow Pepper was so hot back in the day.
😂😂😂
I wish this was the whole scene posted. it's senseless just posting Morgan;s dialogue.
Search "Seven Diner Scene
" on RUclips and click on that version of this scene. You get more than 4 minutes of dialog!
Can someone please explain that why she says that mills don't accept the baby
well wadda ya know....Lucius Fox and Pepper Potts
Can someone explain why freeman told her to "Spoil the child every chance she gets" I watched this movie about 3 times and I still dont understand why he told ger to do that.
Just a guess... perhaps because he decided to abort his child and is living vicariously through her
@@freddym.m.9424 I think he means it in terms of shielding the child from the viciousness of the world... but in a sense it would blind her from its perils.
To get you to ponder several years later…
there is a reason why they call them actors,/ actresses. for the most part ,they can not, it is hard for them to live here and now. they get paid for lying, ....entertaining
he was OK in the electric company. that was in the 70s . my opinion, stop doing so many films. get off the jack. do something trying, besides the voice from insurance commercial. oh, your one and the same. ? duh