I feel like these videos are results of Jorbs being triggered by someone saying something stupid and him being bothered by it for months until he has a framework of exactly why that person was wrong and ignorant. Either way I find them entertaining and useful :)
I had a conversation along the lines of this topic (non-linear consequence, not specifically climate change), and I had difficulty remembering this exact term. My abstract was that non-linear consequence is basically robber-baron 101--you keep a vulnerable population right at the knee in the curve where things start to go extremely non-linear in the hopes that they never break free into a more economically effective paradigm. Specifically, we were discussing the rates of discretionary vs. non-discretionary budgeting and how many people these days (specifically in the US) are held into the position of barely making ends meet to the point where there is little hope of upward mobility. Supply-chain management is another area where we're seeing many non-linear consequences. Companies that expanded their supply chain too broadly to save a few cents/unit are reaping the fruits of increased shipping costs and the loss of organic manufacturing capability. It's not the primary driver of the recent rise in consumer pricing, but it might be the most difficult factor to reverse in the future. It's also the exact opposite of the climate change example in that a lot of people feel the effect (or at least read about the inflation reports) without understanding the details of the various factors leading to this effect.
As someone who took a number of non-linear system dynamics courses, I wanted to add that not only is it easier on the human mind to evaluate linear consequences, but it's also much easier to simulate in software. One of the biggest questions a simulation engineer has to ask is "which parts of this will be close enough to reality if I choose to model them as if they were linear". Identifying where you can operate entirely within a near-linear regime and where you are forced to use a more complex nonlinear model is a major part of the work.
i agree completely! is there actually a playlist of all of these "slideshow-videos"? i have looked on the channel and tried to search some different word combinations but havnt found any playlist so far :/
Another great way to put this comes from thinking about time travel movies. In time travel movies, the protagonists are always told to be careful because a tiny change might have huge ripple effects on the future. We, as the audience, understand this intuitively, but when we leave the realm of movies and return to our own lives we don't think that little things we can try and do to improve the world might actually work. Go out and flap those butterfly wings and maybe you'll create a hurricane of good in the world.
First I wanna say that these are my favorite kind of videos you make, and that this one rules too. Just wanna offer up my go-to example of obscured nonlinearity in games: Armor Class in Dungeons and Dragons. In DnD, you only take damage when the attacker's roll (1-20 range + modifier) exceeds your Armor Class (AC), The general equation for effective health is hp * ( 20 / CLAMP(0, 20, 20 + (Hit mod) - AC) ). If we unpack this a bit, we see that every additional point of AC has increasing returns. For example, going from 10 to 11 AC increases your effective health against an unmodified attack by roughly 11%, 18 to 19 gets you a 100% increase, and 19 to 20 makes you functionally invincible. This system is pretty much impossible to balance around, to the point that unmodified DnD is tuned such that at each character level enemies' hit modifiers keep pace with the player's expected AC. Only by making it almost a nonfactor can the designers properly balance around the system. Been thinking about this a lot particularly relative to game design, but not so much relative to the rest of the world. Gonna try to change that last bit from now on. Again, sweet video, really appreciate your work.
AC is completely screwed in 5th, and makes stuff like the shield spell completely nuts. Been playing 4th edition lately, and these number issues are basically nonexistent as numbers actually properly scale in that game on all fronts. 5th is a game made to appeal to a large audience not to actually be balanced by any means.
My favorite part of these videos is how they make me grow as a person because of the ideas introduced. Every single time one of these comes up it gives me a lot of perspective from a point of view that is well explained. Thank you Jorbs for being my sleeping asmr with slay the spire and helping me grow as a person by talking about subjects such as this.
"Every time the world's temperature increases by a fraction of a degree, *something, somewhere,* it's hitting grave nonlinear consequence." Now there's a Wham Line.
This is a hugely important shift for me in how to think and usefully understand society level changes. It feels very tangible and something that makes me feel like I can actually do things rather than vaguely be anxious and upset
As with most things it comes down to breakpoints. Ice melts at 273 Kelvin. Much like the HP example, temperatures below that and you still have solid ice, above it and you're in liquid water. As you get closer to that temperature we get some non linear behaviour where maybe small amounts of ice start melting at 272, because temperature is a bulk property measurement and if 273 is the mean, then half the volume you're sampling will be above that. The non linear consequences of certain temperature breakpoints are terrifying. Most electronics are designed to work between +80 C and -40 C. As we get to 40 C and above ambient, the cooling systems that those electronics rely on become insufficient to keep critical components (semi conductors) from reaching that +80 C value, which results in component degradation. Eventually leading to component failure. The batteries we use in our phones, EVs and cars operate with different efficiency based on their temperature, so a phone that doesn't keep enough charge for being out the whole day requires you to bring an extra battery pack, another breakpoint. The day night cycle is the other key one. Most buildings are not built or designed for high ambient temperatures and have insufficient cooling and are energy inefficient. In addition, as a building heats up during the day, there's a thermal buffer that material can absorb, that at night time gets relieved by colder ambient temperatures, but if the amount of heat in during the day exceeds what can be removed at night, then the building just remains hot, until eventually it gets to the point that it's not possible to actively cool it enough to remain compatible with human life support.
This is such an interesting concept that I didn't know about. Thank you for sharing it, it was really easy to understand and it helped me to put a name under some situations where I didn't know how to describe what was going on with them.
To add as an example of species changing habitat: A Native Alaskan is currently researching redweeds which are invasive in that region as they are able to survive the climate there when they previously couldn't. Earthworms, which are non native to the Americas, are beginning to spread in the soil in the Yukon in the Northwest.
Yep, I like this stuff too. I keep watching his stuff because of how rational he tends to be with stuff that most people struggle with (or don't realize they struggle with) Its refreshing
"When the thing is in the second state of motion, the quantitative change of the first state has already reached a culminating point and gives rise to the dissolution of the thing as an entity and thereupon a qualitative change ensues, hence the appearance of a conspicuous change."
what a great video. i think about things in this way all the time, but notice that so many others don't and don't care because it doesn't change anything for them. thanks for helping spread this kind of thinking. and thanks for caring. you're wonderful, jorbs.
My hope is that videos like yours that spread awareness of these things are having an exponential consequence on the good in the world and our ongoing efforts to reduce the bad.
Thank you for uploading this Jorbs. Videos like this are really important for me to want to continue being a "good" person. Sometimes I can feel apathetic because people who don't understand how to correctly evaluate a situation (by not understanding how non-linear consequences work) often belittle the impact I/others may have. For example, a week ago, one of my co-workers was dismissing climate change and global warming because the UK was undergoing a cold spell. I attempted an explanation but was squashed because "So what? It doesn't affect us." I work in a law firm :)
I'm finding it impossible to think of anything at all in real life with truly linear consequences, but I suspect that's exactly your point. We constantly make the assumption that consequences will be linear because it's easy, but that assumption is always wrong and usually damaging.
A visually more visceral & quite easy to understand representation is the "Double Pendulum". The increments of adjustment could be perceived as rather linear but the resulting swinging is anything but. When it comes to IRL changes that don't necessarily effect oneself, yet a specific subset of people complain about, I'd personally urge anyone who listened to the video & read this comment to not succumb to such kneejerk reactions, since the effect on another person's availability, mental health, comfort & the more immediately threatening things discussed in the video could mean a world of difference. EDIT: Also, thx for the video & presenting it in a very digestible & humane way!
I feel like the last 5 minutes or so turned into a conversation on empathy. Great video, slide show jorbs is one of my favorites right up there with spreadsheet jorbs and book writer jorbs
Don't be wrong PepoG Nah but in all seriousness thanks for putting this shit out here. I for one have been struggling with my own feelings of impact on the world considering my own presence much more linear than it is. I do appreciate especially thought brought - not just to the humans - but the other species that experience consequences of our actions on a micro or macro scale. I feel like people often forget our place in any and every ecosystem and mental capacity is as impactful as any other species. The way we treat a member of an endangered species on a micro scale can have massive impacts on the world at large. Eventually those consequences will make their way to us, though we may not notice it. But it's not even about what impact they make on us or whether we notice it but the fact that it makes an impact on other people. (Before I'm probably misunderstood I want to clarify that by people I'm not exclusively referring to humans, or even humanoid creatures that roam the earth.)
I think we ought to share this outside of Jorbs' usual audience guys. He's right and things are changing in the world. Non-linear consequence gets a lot scarier when a 1 unit of water to no units of water in the mid-west situation leads to a 1 unit of crops to 0 units of crops kind of situation, and I for one can't really foresee what kind of 1 to 0 situations pop up after the food one.
I feel like its impossible for the little things someone does to have any impact Yet you have to do it don't you? The situation is out of control, whatever you do might hit a break point
it's just applying math to things, lots of fields do that. stats, econ, game theory are big examples. physics, i guess. but yeah, lots of fields apply math to understand what's happening.
Nice video on an important topic! 24:19 I'm not going to call this a fallacy, but you make an assumption here that you don't justify well/at all: that every such consequence of every such shift in Co2 is *bad*. I would have liked to hear you talk about the nuance of this point a bit more and particularly about how hard it is to pin down these endless consequences and the fact that they seem on average more bad than good.
Go read an IPCC report, then come back and please elucidate us on the "good" points of CO2 rising. Spoiler alert: you will do neither of these things, cause there aren't any. Even if there were "good" points about CO2 rising (I feel sick just saying that), the bad points out weight them by non-liniear consequences such as ..extinction level events. Hear jorbs on this one: don't be wrong.
a seventh of pakistan was under water. more people die of heat stroke every heat wave. the entire african continent is becoming steadily less livable. can you be a bit of a better human?
I did not realize this was controversial, but there are actually a couple good things about rising Co2 levels. For one example: many trees and other plant life will thrive in a high-Co2 environment. This is not controversial. It's been a while since I read the IPCC, but it may even be mentioned there. I find it worrying that everyone, even @Jorbs who made the video, seems to be so closed-minded about a topic like this. The whole point of this topic is to recognize that that these types of evaluations are very complicated. You might say they are non-linearly complicated. I never said that the good outweighs the bad. In fact, I said exactly the opposite in my 2-sentence comment above; the bad seems to outweigh the good. Finally, the default reaction to comments like mine really shouldn't be "go read these dense papers and then you'll agree with me". Come on, the IPCC is like 600+ pages. If I was uneducated, unwilling, and perhaps heartless as a couple of you obviously assume me to be, in what way would this recommendation help anyone? You wouldn't expect me to read these reports and if I did you wouldn't expect me to comprehend them. More importantly, have any of you read the IPCC? I highly doubt it. It is an impossibly high standard to set for anyone other than a climate scientist and the only reason anyone defaults to that response is to wash their hands of the conversation, feeling they did their part. There needs to be better discourse on important topics like these.
@@Jorbs You're suggesting that if the skeptics were right, then their perspectives would be widely recognized and mainstream. However, there are numerous instances where this isn't the case, with diet and nutrition standing out as a clear example. Let me rephrase my original post: If, for argument's sake, we assume that the skeptics are indeed right, even though their articles aren't getting recognition in peer-reviewed journals, how would one ever come to realize this?
Especially with climate change, were not facing dire non-linear consequences oirselves, but other systems we heavily rely on. And only once they fail, we are and the end of a cascade of tipping points without feeling the water boiling beforehand.
Climate change as everything in nature has at least two-fold consequences. Species adapt. Each change of habitat makes some species less effective at surviving but some others will thrive. Smart, versatile creatures are very good at using rapid short-term changes to their advantage. Creatures that reproduce fast with multiple generations passing in a short time are super-effective in a mid-term. Everything living can out-mutate long-term changes. Earth is not quite a zero sum thing, but every change so far made the life of some species harder while greatly benefiting some others. More so, changes make some species extinct but these are also the major reason for new species to emerge through evolution. People are so obsessed with changes (climate, political, social, etc) just because these are fine and well settled as for now. They took the best places already, have the best life style and every change will make their life less comfortable and force them to re-adapt. Media narratives are mostly based on western agenda. USA and Western Europe are probably the most comfortable places to live now. Climate change will change that too. That's why they are not so happy about that. Siberia for instance or northern Europe will become much more habitable but who asks people there? So, it is not about whales and snails. It is about changing the life-styles of people who like it the way it is. The nature will adapt. Some species will go extinct, some eill take their place. Welcome to the fantastic resorts of Arctic Ocean and beaches of Greenland.
Right 90 % of of the species that have ever existed are extinct. The rest adapt and I find it funny when humans have the hubris that they can save other species long term or even if we should try to.
@@Jorbs that's because rpgs are mostly a product of current "western" culture and filled with "the message" even if the author did not mean to. By the way there were villains from mass culture that wanted to oppress or outright kill major portion of sentient life to save planet/universe/nature. I mean that every global tiny change will cause a lot of grief somewhere, yes. Thing is it is mostly unavoidable. So it is more reasonable to plan and adapt to changes than to cling to the past and spend a lot of resources to prolong the struggle. For people in nigh-uninhabitable conditions is a tragedy to leave the ancestral lands. Yet it may as well be much more logical to move to extremely sparsely populated areas, that are capable of supporting just as many if not more. UPD: It is like in StS: you may try to create some specific build regardless of card rewards, relics and current state of events OR make something that works best of the things game offers now.
Climate change United Nations Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns, mainly caused by human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels.
I feel like these videos are results of Jorbs being triggered by someone saying something stupid and him being bothered by it for months until he has a framework of exactly why that person was wrong and ignorant. Either way I find them entertaining and useful :)
Some people come up with witty rebuttals in the shower. Jorbs creates detailed powerpoints.
I had a conversation along the lines of this topic (non-linear consequence, not specifically climate change), and I had difficulty remembering this exact term. My abstract was that non-linear consequence is basically robber-baron 101--you keep a vulnerable population right at the knee in the curve where things start to go extremely non-linear in the hopes that they never break free into a more economically effective paradigm. Specifically, we were discussing the rates of discretionary vs. non-discretionary budgeting and how many people these days (specifically in the US) are held into the position of barely making ends meet to the point where there is little hope of upward mobility.
Supply-chain management is another area where we're seeing many non-linear consequences. Companies that expanded their supply chain too broadly to save a few cents/unit are reaping the fruits of increased shipping costs and the loss of organic manufacturing capability. It's not the primary driver of the recent rise in consumer pricing, but it might be the most difficult factor to reverse in the future. It's also the exact opposite of the climate change example in that a lot of people feel the effect (or at least read about the inflation reports) without understanding the details of the various factors leading to this effect.
As someone who took a number of non-linear system dynamics courses, I wanted to add that not only is it easier on the human mind to evaluate linear consequences, but it's also much easier to simulate in software. One of the biggest questions a simulation engineer has to ask is "which parts of this will be close enough to reality if I choose to model them as if they were linear". Identifying where you can operate entirely within a near-linear regime and where you are forced to use a more complex nonlinear model is a major part of the work.
Consistently excited for these slideshow videos every time. Thank you!
i agree completely! is there actually a playlist of all of these "slideshow-videos"? i have looked on the channel and tried to search some different word combinations but havnt found any playlist so far :/
Another great way to put this comes from thinking about time travel movies. In time travel movies, the protagonists are always told to be careful because a tiny change might have huge ripple effects on the future. We, as the audience, understand this intuitively, but when we leave the realm of movies and return to our own lives we don't think that little things we can try and do to improve the world might actually work. Go out and flap those butterfly wings and maybe you'll create a hurricane of good in the world.
"It's eighty degrees." 😐😐😅
My celcius brain: 🔥🔥💀💀
First I wanna say that these are my favorite kind of videos you make, and that this one rules too. Just wanna offer up my go-to example of obscured nonlinearity in games: Armor Class in Dungeons and Dragons.
In DnD, you only take damage when the attacker's roll (1-20 range + modifier) exceeds your Armor Class (AC), The general equation for effective health is hp * ( 20 / CLAMP(0, 20, 20 + (Hit mod) - AC) ). If we unpack this a bit, we see that every additional point of AC has increasing returns. For example, going from 10 to 11 AC increases your effective health against an unmodified attack by roughly 11%, 18 to 19 gets you a 100% increase, and 19 to 20 makes you functionally invincible. This system is pretty much impossible to balance around, to the point that unmodified DnD is tuned such that at each character level enemies' hit modifiers keep pace with the player's expected AC. Only by making it almost a nonfactor can the designers properly balance around the system.
Been thinking about this a lot particularly relative to game design, but not so much relative to the rest of the world. Gonna try to change that last bit from now on. Again, sweet video, really appreciate your work.
AC is completely screwed in 5th, and makes stuff like the shield spell completely nuts. Been playing 4th edition lately, and these number issues are basically nonexistent as numbers actually properly scale in that game on all fronts. 5th is a game made to appeal to a large audience not to actually be balanced by any means.
My favorite part of these videos is how they make me grow as a person because of the ideas introduced. Every single time one of these comes up it gives me a lot of perspective from a point of view that is well explained. Thank you Jorbs for being my sleeping asmr with slay the spire and helping me grow as a person by talking about subjects such as this.
"Every time the world's temperature increases by a fraction of a degree, *something, somewhere,* it's hitting grave nonlinear consequence."
Now there's a Wham Line.
This is a hugely important shift for me in how to think and usefully understand society level changes. It feels very tangible and something that makes me feel like I can actually do things rather than vaguely be anxious and upset
The 3-body-problem also falls into this category. Great thinking and explaining, Jorbs.
As with most things it comes down to breakpoints. Ice melts at 273 Kelvin. Much like the HP example, temperatures below that and you still have solid ice, above it and you're in liquid water. As you get closer to that temperature we get some non linear behaviour where maybe small amounts of ice start melting at 272, because temperature is a bulk property measurement and if 273 is the mean, then half the volume you're sampling will be above that.
The non linear consequences of certain temperature breakpoints are terrifying. Most electronics are designed to work between +80 C and -40 C. As we get to 40 C and above ambient, the cooling systems that those electronics rely on become insufficient to keep critical components (semi conductors) from reaching that +80 C value, which results in component degradation. Eventually leading to component failure. The batteries we use in our phones, EVs and cars operate with different efficiency based on their temperature, so a phone that doesn't keep enough charge for being out the whole day requires you to bring an extra battery pack, another breakpoint.
The day night cycle is the other key one. Most buildings are not built or designed for high ambient temperatures and have insufficient cooling and are energy inefficient. In addition, as a building heats up during the day, there's a thermal buffer that material can absorb, that at night time gets relieved by colder ambient temperatures, but if the amount of heat in during the day exceeds what can be removed at night, then the building just remains hot, until eventually it gets to the point that it's not possible to actively cool it enough to remain compatible with human life support.
This is such an interesting concept that I didn't know about. Thank you for sharing it, it was really easy to understand and it helped me to put a name under some situations where I didn't know how to describe what was going on with them.
To add as an example of species changing habitat: A Native Alaskan is currently researching redweeds which are invasive in that region as they are able to survive the climate there when they previously couldn't. Earthworms, which are non native to the Americas, are beginning to spread in the soil in the Yukon in the Northwest.
I'm glad that Jorbs woke up in a fever dream. This is *great quality content*, and I wish there was more of it! I'll take these as they come.
Yep, I like this stuff too. I keep watching his stuff because of how rational he tends to be with stuff that most people struggle with (or don't realize they struggle with)
Its refreshing
Class, please be quiet, Jorbs is about to give a presentation.
"When the thing is in the second state of motion, the quantitative change of the first state has already reached a culminating point and gives rise to the dissolution of the thing as an entity and thereupon a qualitative change ensues, hence the appearance of a conspicuous change."
Thank you professor Jorbs, very cool
what a great video. i think about things in this way all the time, but notice that so many others don't and don't care because it doesn't change anything for them. thanks for helping spread this kind of thinking. and thanks for caring. you're wonderful, jorbs.
honey wake up jorbs posted a slide show video
Do you have a playlist of these videos? I'm interested in seeing more.
My hope is that videos like yours that spread awareness of these things are having an exponential consequence on the good in the world and our ongoing efforts to reduce the bad.
Jorbs slides videos are actually some of the best lectures. Very well vetted out and designed to be approached from the average gamer.
Hey Jorbs, thank you a lot for the presentation. Could you please make the next one on a dark background? My eyes are burning :)
Thank you for uploading this Jorbs. Videos like this are really important for me to want to continue being a "good" person. Sometimes I can feel apathetic because people who don't understand how to correctly evaluate a situation (by not understanding how non-linear consequences work) often belittle the impact I/others may have.
For example, a week ago, one of my co-workers was dismissing climate change and global warming because the UK was undergoing a cold spell. I attempted an explanation but was squashed because "So what? It doesn't affect us."
I work in a law firm :)
I'm finding it impossible to think of anything at all in real life with truly linear consequences, but I suspect that's exactly your point. We constantly make the assumption that consequences will be linear because it's easy, but that assumption is always wrong and usually damaging.
A visually more visceral & quite easy to understand representation is the "Double Pendulum".
The increments of adjustment could be perceived as rather linear but the resulting swinging is anything but.
When it comes to IRL changes that don't necessarily effect oneself, yet a specific subset of people complain about, I'd personally urge anyone who listened to the video & read this comment to not succumb to such kneejerk reactions, since the effect on another person's availability, mental health, comfort & the more immediately threatening things discussed in the video could mean a world of difference.
EDIT: Also, thx for the video & presenting it in a very digestible & humane way!
Take care of yourself Jorbs if you need to work indoors get some A/C and keep your temps safe - heat exhaustion is no joke.
I feel like the last 5 minutes or so turned into a conversation on empathy. Great video, slide show jorbs is one of my favorites right up there with spreadsheet jorbs and book writer jorbs
Another Jorbs presentation at the function I WILL be seated🔥
Great content! So glad to see influencers who care and use their platform to educate.
It's all a part of his master plan about how he's secretly(?) Even worse than every terrible influencer. I'm waiting for his trump arc as we speak. /j
Thank you for the insightful presentation.
ive been developing games for years and its such a pleasure to watch someone who is so literate and passionate in game design
Professor Jorbs in the cut, lookin distinguished af.
jorbs + powerpoint = 😻
Didn't expect this to come up but I really appreciate content like this jorbs!
I've really appreciated this and the greenbeard video on ethical interaction and interpretation.
I love these videos, I always learn a lot. Today I learnt extinction is bad. I wonder what I will learn tomorrow.
Don't be wrong PepoG
Nah but in all seriousness thanks for putting this shit out here. I for one have been struggling with my own feelings of impact on the world considering my own presence much more linear than it is. I do appreciate especially thought brought - not just to the humans - but the other species that experience consequences of our actions on a micro or macro scale. I feel like people often forget our place in any and every ecosystem and mental capacity is as impactful as any other species. The way we treat a member of an endangered species on a micro scale can have massive impacts on the world at large. Eventually those consequences will make their way to us, though we may not notice it. But it's not even about what impact they make on us or whether we notice it but the fact that it makes an impact on other people. (Before I'm probably misunderstood I want to clarify that by people I'm not exclusively referring to humans, or even humanoid creatures that roam the earth.)
I think we ought to share this outside of Jorbs' usual audience guys. He's right and things are changing in the world. Non-linear consequence gets a lot scarier when a 1 unit of water to no units of water in the mid-west situation leads to a 1 unit of crops to 0 units of crops kind of situation, and I for one can't really foresee what kind of 1 to 0 situations pop up after the food one.
Evaluate things the right ....... way.
Best shopping advice ever ;-)
I feel like its impossible for the little things someone does to have any impact
Yet you have to do it don't you? The situation is out of control, whatever you do might hit a break point
When I was still young at age 29 and 364 days, I became ancient overnight.
A classic example of non-linear consequences are traffic jams.
The only health point that matters is the last one
Ohhhhh I get it, the bed in 80 degrees is a metaphor for us “sleeping” on climate change. Jorbs you brilliant bastard you’ve done it again!
If you read this comment, you will become a weeb.
Once again worrying that this comment might be out of place here. Feedback would be appreciated.
it establishes a sense of continuity and cohesion to the youtube jorbs space
I can’t be a weeb, i’ve only ever watched a single anime
read this comment instead to become a femboy
@@MagicalBreezenice!
yay another slideshow video
theres a typo in the word " Fascism "
Is this game theory? What subject of stats / math is this?
it's just applying math to things, lots of fields do that. stats, econ, game theory are big examples. physics, i guess. but yeah, lots of fields apply math to understand what's happening.
Nice video on an important topic!
24:19 I'm not going to call this a fallacy, but you make an assumption here that you don't justify well/at all: that every such consequence of every such shift in Co2 is *bad*. I would have liked to hear you talk about the nuance of this point a bit more and particularly about how hard it is to pin down these endless consequences and the fact that they seem on average more bad than good.
it's not an assumption, it's an expression of values. Subjective. Good and bad can't be empirically measured.
Go read an IPCC report, then come back and please elucidate us on the "good" points of CO2 rising.
Spoiler alert: you will do neither of these things, cause there aren't any. Even if there were "good" points about CO2 rising (I feel sick just saying that), the bad points out weight them by non-liniear consequences such as ..extinction level events.
Hear jorbs on this one: don't be wrong.
a seventh of pakistan was under water. more people die of heat stroke every heat wave. the entire african continent is becoming steadily less livable. can you be a bit of a better human?
i'm not a climate scientist, doubt i'm going to do any better than just reading the reports climate scientists release would do.
I did not realize this was controversial, but there are actually a couple good things about rising Co2 levels. For one example: many trees and other plant life will thrive in a high-Co2 environment. This is not controversial. It's been a while since I read the IPCC, but it may even be mentioned there.
I find it worrying that everyone, even @Jorbs who made the video, seems to be so closed-minded about a topic like this. The whole point of this topic is to recognize that that these types of evaluations are very complicated. You might say they are non-linearly complicated. I never said that the good outweighs the bad. In fact, I said exactly the opposite in my 2-sentence comment above; the bad seems to outweigh the good.
Finally, the default reaction to comments like mine really shouldn't be "go read these dense papers and then you'll agree with me". Come on, the IPCC is like 600+ pages. If I was uneducated, unwilling, and perhaps heartless as a couple of you obviously assume me to be, in what way would this recommendation help anyone? You wouldn't expect me to read these reports and if I did you wouldn't expect me to comprehend them. More importantly, have any of you read the IPCC? I highly doubt it. It is an impossibly high standard to set for anyone other than a climate scientist and the only reason anyone defaults to that response is to wash their hands of the conversation, feeling they did their part. There needs to be better discourse on important topics like these.
Here's a game I like to play: What if the skeptics are correct? How would you know?
in the last 50 years their articles would have gained traction in peer-reviewed scientific journals?
What skeptics? Give me a clue.
@@Jorbs You're suggesting that if the skeptics were right, then their perspectives would be widely recognized and mainstream. However, there are numerous instances where this isn't the case, with diet and nutrition standing out as a clear example.
Let me rephrase my original post: If, for argument's sake, we assume that the skeptics are indeed right, even though their articles aren't getting recognition in peer-reviewed journals, how would one ever come to realize this?
Especially with climate change, were not facing dire non-linear consequences oirselves, but other systems we heavily rely on. And only once they fail, we are and the end of a cascade of tipping points without feeling the water boiling beforehand.
Climate change as everything in nature has at least two-fold consequences. Species adapt. Each change of habitat makes some species less effective at surviving but some others will thrive. Smart, versatile creatures are very good at using rapid short-term changes to their advantage. Creatures that reproduce fast with multiple generations passing in a short time are super-effective in a mid-term. Everything living can out-mutate long-term changes.
Earth is not quite a zero sum thing, but every change so far made the life of some species harder while greatly benefiting some others. More so, changes make some species extinct but these are also the major reason for new species to emerge through evolution.
People are so obsessed with changes (climate, political, social, etc) just because these are fine and well settled as for now. They took the best places already, have the best life style and every change will make their life less comfortable and force them to re-adapt. Media narratives are mostly based on western agenda. USA and Western Europe are probably the most comfortable places to live now. Climate change will change that too. That's why they are not so happy about that. Siberia for instance or northern Europe will become much more habitable but who asks people there? So, it is not about whales and snails. It is about changing the life-styles of people who like it the way it is. The nature will adapt. Some species will go extinct, some eill take their place.
Welcome to the fantastic resorts of Arctic Ocean and beaches of Greenland.
Also welcome to the irradiated hellscape of Africa, central America and other places close to the equator.
Right 90 % of of the species that have ever existed are extinct. The rest adapt and I find it funny when humans have the hubris that they can save other species long term or even if we should try to.
this comment is pretty much what a boss would say in an rpg before you had to kill them.
@@Jorbs that's because rpgs are mostly a product of current "western" culture and filled with "the message" even if the author did not mean to.
By the way there were villains from mass culture that wanted to oppress or outright kill major portion of sentient life to save planet/universe/nature.
I mean that every global tiny change will cause a lot of grief somewhere, yes. Thing is it is mostly unavoidable. So it is more reasonable to plan and adapt to changes than to cling to the past and spend a lot of resources to prolong the struggle. For people in nigh-uninhabitable conditions is a tragedy to leave the ancestral lands. Yet it may as well be much more logical to move to extremely sparsely populated areas, that are capable of supporting just as many if not more.
UPD: It is like in StS: you may try to create some specific build regardless of card rewards, relics and current state of events OR make something that works best of the things game offers now.
@@Jorbs just remember if the roles were reversed the polar bear would eat you not build a nice human enclosure
tl;dr communism is nice
-jorbs
Climate change
United Nations
Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns, mainly caused by human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels.