In order to be saved, people need to trust(believe) how Christ died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15 v 1-4). Not accepting him into your heart. Read: Ephesians 1 v 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. (God is doing the accepting not man.)
That's good because Jesus is coming back soon.. People that are down and irritable, even believers that is the Lord Jesus Christ getting us ready to get out of here Just keep in prayer.
2 The 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
I find it hilarious when Pre-Tribbers try to wiggle out of this passage 😂. Their entire theory is completely non-sensical and they do not even have one☝️solid verse to stand on!
Another thing to note is the first sign is "Many will fall away from the faith" and the son of perdition is revealed. This translation of the rebellion doesn't clearly gives the context as Pre-Tribbers (I too was one) use this as they Fall Away(Raptured) to heaven... 🤦♂️ The true meaning is not the rebellion but many in the faith will fall away from the faith. There is a deception with the Pre-Trib Rapture false teaching at the core. What's concerning is Paul is talking to the church and not the world. This deception will lead many to fall away because the Do Not love the Truth. The truth is the word of God... Just like the context in 2Thessolonians 2. Because they(Church) do not love the Truth God himself sends a strong delusion that they might not be saved.... Not seeking the truth of Gods word means you are open to lies and deception, if not checked it becomes a Salvation issue....
@@Kubs777 Ironically, Luke warns that you don’t want to be Taken and would rather be “Left Behind”. “There will be two women grinding [at the mill] together; the one (the non-believer) will be taken [away in judgment] and the other (the believer) will be left. [Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.”] And they asked Him, “Where, Lord?” He answered, “Where the corpse is, there the vultures will be gathered.”” ~ Luke 17:35-37 AMP
I’m pre-trib but I certainly do not look at mid-trib believers in disgust, and call names and cause a fuss. We can knit pick words, Latin and Hebrew all day long but at the end of the day, Only time will tell. It doesn’t change our Salvation and the Blood He shed for our sins!! We have enough enemies let’s just pray for each other! 🙏❤️🙏❤️
@@tracyellis5147 - Believe pre-trib if you wish, but please prepare for post-trib. You don't lose anything by preparing for post-trib if you're right. If you're wrong and rapture is post-trib, you'll still be spiritually and physically prepared for what is to come as God had said in the Bible to endure unto the end, even unto death. If not, you and your family might not be able to withstand what's about to come against Christians.
Tracy Ellis Hi. I'm a post-trib believer. It's amazing that you and I can come to a different view on this topic! I read the Bible too. I also look at the Bible and what it says. We shouldn't knit pick words. Also, yes only time will tell, and whatever belief about the rapture (pre, mid or post, has nothing to do with salvation). Those are two different topics. Truth in the scriptures SHOULD matter and the Bible clearly speaks the truth, which you agree, right? Let me just ask... WHY do you believe in a pre-trib rapture? I'll share with you why I believe in a post trib rapture.
Hi. I believe also that we well be caught up BEFORE God's wrath is poured out on the whole world. I differ with Jeff Kinley as he believes it's before or in some tribulation period of time. From what scriptures I'm reading, the rapture happens on the Last Day, At his coming, At the resurrection, At the Last Trumpet, At his appearing. How I came to this understanding is that the scriptures CLEARLY say that the Dead in Christ shall rise FIRST, and that happens on the Last Day, which is the Day of the Lord.. The Day of the Lord - His wrath is what we are raptured out of, or kept hidden IN. Also, I haven't found ANY scripture that says the Living will rise first.
Ur right so I don’t know what he’s talking about that’s why we read our selves the Bible n we ask Jesus to help us understand what he is saying when we don’t understand it n he will. I know this for sure what ur saying is what I believe in what God has said ur right we the church the believers in Christ who we excepted n confessed by mouth n repented the church is not appointed to his wrath he said it n that he will come for us in Christ to remove us before the the 7 year tribulation Christ won’t touch ground when he comes for his church but when we come back with Jesus he will touch ground he will come back with his saints his army to fight the devil a war that which we won already. The great tribulation is Armageddon which all countries will gather in Megiddo. The center of the world 🌎 is Jerusalem. This is what I’ve read n understand n believe. People don’t understand he was here already but died on the cross n rose on the 3rd day n he said he will come for us 2 coming for his church the believers in Jesus Christ the 3 rd time is it . It’s a return with us n those who were left behind has a chance still if they survived his wrath. But I know that we will not be here to know whose the anti christ r the mark n the 7 year tribulation. That’s explained n the movie left behind follows that .
@@mariamorrison2474 Hi. We WILL be raptured! I believe that too. I'm not sure where you are getting some of your beliefs from. Please share with me where the Bible says that those that call upon Jesus will be saved in some pre-tribulation rapture? Forgive me for asking, but WHERE or WHO are your learning that belief from, Maria? I can share with you the scriptures in the Bible that says the Dead will rise First ( 1 Thess 4:13-18 ), and that the dead rise on the Last Day, At the Resurrection ( John 6:37-44 and 54, as well as John 11:23, 24 ). There are other supporting scriptures, Maria that tell of this clearly. Maria, if you have a Bible, read these scriptures for yourself. Or, I'm guessing since you responded to my comment, you have the internet. Find a site that you can read certain scriptural references for yourself. If you discover what I said was true, and you still need more, then compare other scriptures with these. Remember, the Dead Rise FIRST, and on the Last Day. That is the foundation, when understanding the rapture. I used to believe in something else, and some others, until I read the scriptures myself. God Bless you with understanding. Michael.
@@mariamorrison2474 , Maria, that is NOT Correct, as that verse speaks of the LAST DAY Battle of ARMAGEDDON, where One will be Taken in DEATH, and One will be LEFT to Live !! It has NOTHING to Do with Any Rapture, as Such Rapture cannot happen until the LAST DAY ( Se my other Comments here ) Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
@@mariamorrison2474 , Maria, read my other Comments here on this page. What you or I believe, does Not Amount to a "Hill of Beans" !! It is what gods Word Declares, that is of Importance !! 2. Jn. 9 declares; ..."He that Transgresseth and Abideth NOT in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, Hath Not GOD". If you chose to believe the "Pre-Trib" RAPTURE LIE, then You DO NOT ABIDE in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, and You have NOT GOD !! It does Not Depend upon your Belief, But if Your BELIF is ANCHORED in the ROCK, the Word of the Living GOD !! Isa.8:20, declares it This way; ...."To the LAW and the TESTIMONY, If They Speak NOT According to THIS WORD, It is Because there is NO LIGHT in Them". Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
The First Resurrection will occur at the Sounding of the 7th Trumpet before the Bowls of Wrath are poured out. “The seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying, The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign forever and ever.” ~ Revelation 11:15 CSB
Matthew 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
So many pastors that teach a pre trib rapture do not teach Matthew 24. Clearly states Jesus only returns AFTER the Tribulation. Beware of these false teachers who teach a pre rapture.
@@ladyb6513 that is Jesus' return. where does it say He returns in the rapture. it will take place in the blink of an eye, most will not be ready for it. the tribulation saints are those left behind, preaching the word, to become the elect that make it thru, that escape the wrath of the Lord. i for one dont want to miss it, i believe it happens before💓💕💞
My fear is that people who are pre-tribbers might take the mark, thinking that it couldn't be the mark or the anti-chirst, because the Church is still here.
@@ustheserfs the reason why post-tribbers believe there's going to be a post-tribulation rapture and why they think that they can endure the tribulation Is that they downplay the severity of the tribulation. If they will only come to realize that the severity of the tribulation is way beyond anything they could ever lmagine then, perhaps they may realize, and come to understand that the beginning of the tribulation is the beginning of the destruction of this world.
no bro you can never be plucked from the fathers hand once your saved you are sealed with the holy spirit. just because there pre trib doesnt mean they can EVER be decieved into taking the mark you make no sense
Jeff Kinley: "I believe the Antichrist will appear on the scene after the rapture..." The Apostle Paul: " For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God." -- 2 Thes 2:3 The Lord Jesus Christ: "And many false prophets will rise up and deceive many..." -- Matt 24:11 Nuff said. Stay clear of this man.
there will be a huge terrible event that causes the world to see the antichrist as the one who can save us all. what better event than millions of ppl going missing? 💓💕💞
,@@JDRusse11 you believe you can endure the tribulation in this already condemned and rejected world, living in that mortal sinful, and weak body you're in with the Devil running loose.
@@garvinsmith4555The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in both you and I, so yes I believe I can endure. “And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, then He who raised Christ from the dead will also bring your mortal bodies to life through His Spirit who lives in you.” ~ Romans 8:11 HCSB
Happy Holy-----.There is very much confusion about what the Bible says and what it doesn't. What is the TRUE Gospel?. Ask 100 people and get 100 different answers.Tell them the Truth, 'noone' believes in it. Not liking what is going to happen when the TRUTH become known. Think it's bad now?, wait till then when they know that they were lied to, and 'forget' that they made the decision to follow.
Sadly, too many "Christians" have a low view of scripture, never read their bibles, have never read it through from Genesis to Revelation even once, but somehow, they have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a wife beating, wife hating Groom. The entire Tribulation is the Wrath of the Lamb and The Wrath of God showered down on a God hating, Jesus rejecting world. The WORLD has always killed Christians and they have suffered throughout history for the name of Jesus Christ and for the truth of God, but God nor Jesus shower Christians with their wrath. A careful study of Revelation reveals that the different groups of saints have different duties. Such as the ones in Chapter 5 of Revelation will rule with Christ on Earth, the ones in Chapter 7 serve at the throne of God. The ones in Chapter 5 were ransomed by Jesus and the ones in Chapter 7 had to wash their robes in His blood. It's the minutiae that everyone overlooks. But we pre-trib people will be waving at the rest of you as we all rise to MEET JESUS IN THE AIR!! The 2nd coming HE COMES PHYSICAL AND TOUCHES THE MOUNT OF OLIVES which splits in two!
That’s right. We ARE living in the very last part of what 2tim 3:1-5 talks about. Our time of today. We seen all the signs and so many prophecies have been already filled Now Jesus could return any day But we STILL have not yet seen the real time of trouble for Christians that the Bible mentions. When tribulation breaks out, then we’ll know suffering We will be enemies of the world and put through a fire of trial and persecution. But then Jesus will intervene and stop the authorities from persecuting us
@@200x-v4k "But then Jesus will intervene and stop the authorities from persecuting us." Not true! We'll be persecuted mightily. We're told this in Revelation.
There is a difference in the day of God's wrath and the great tribulations!!!! The rapture will definitely happen but not until after tribulations!!!! Idc what people "believe " if it doesn't line up with God's word then it doesn't mean much
Guys, there's proof that the tribulation and the Lord's wrath are the same. As post-tribbers you believe that the Rapture will only occur at the second coming of Christ! But what you have failed to take into account is the fact that the days that lead to the second coming of Christ are going to be days of the great tribulation Mathew 24:21,22 which means it will be impossible for the people living in those days to be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage which will have to happen if there's to be a post-tribulation Rapture. Jesus said just as the people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up until the very Day the Lord shut righteous Lot and his family in the Ark the people again will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up until the Day he Rapture the righteous away. The very fact that the people won't be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage during the time of the tribulation proves that the possibility of a post-tribulation Rapture never truly existed. This means there's truly going to be a pre-tribulation Rapture which also means that the beginning of the tribulation is also the beginning of the Day destruction. And if you think that the people will be able to do those things during the days of tribulation, think again! Because the people won't be able to eat or drink as well as the people did in the days before the flood because of widespread food and drink shortages caused by severe famine and droughts such as the world has ever known. It's going to be a time when the people's number one priority is staying alive, and when marrying and giving in marriage may just be the farthest thing from their minds because of the unprecedented death rate. People will be dying so fast that if those days are shortened not even the elect will be saved.
Song Kocourek, the coming judgment of Christ will happen before his second coming! His coming judgment is a single, private event that will not coincide with his second coming, but will occur immediately after the rapture! Jesus said they knew not until the flood came and destroyed them all. Mathew 24:39 Luke 17:27. "THEY KNEW NOT". This means, that they knew not of his coming judgment until the very day, and Jesus said in Luke 17:30 even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is revealed. This suggests that the day is coming when the wrath of God will be revealed from Heaven suddenly, and unexpectedly and the world will not know of that day until it comes. Jesus said as it was in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the day that Noah entered into the ark. That's how the days were like that led to his judgment. But the days that are going to be leading up to his second coming are going to be days of great tribulation, unlike the days that led to the flood/judgment.
The coming judgment is not what's mentioned in Rev 17, but the time of lawlessness. Yes God's jugment is a singular event but the tribulation is not God's judgment but it is the loosing of evil in preparation for the final battle, and Jesus' return, most likely at the end of the 7 year period.
@@booboothaclown5562 I agree with you God's wrath is after tribulation. There is so much confusion and they are teaching people wrong. No live I. The world. Everything Jesus said would happen is has and will!
God's wrath fell on Egypt with the Hebrews in the country, providing a way for the wrath to Passover. We will go through the tribulation,please prepare to endure till the end
Why then does the Bible say that everyone who does not worship the beast or his image will be killed. You understand what the word everyone means ...right? It means everyone, no exceptions.
@@shaneydavy16 such a common misconception. The word Saints are all throughout the book of Revelation. Saints are believers in Christ. Which makes it clear that The Saints are present during the series of end time judgements and tribulations.
I just listened to another podcast regarding the rapture. It was so good. Pastor James Kidesh had pastor Andy Woods Who have such an in depth study and revelation on the “departure” in scripture. Wow.. it truly confirms this theology belief that we will be caught up BEFORE.. Gods wrath in tribulation.
@Liberty family are you saying something is off with these two lecturers?? I’m not familiar with them … What did your Pastor do ?? Caught with pants down … molesting a child .. what ?
@@breadoflife2075 Andy Woods is probably the most detailed teacher of God's Word I have ever heard. James Kaddis, drives me a little nuts . . . ruclips.net/video/xvqbG8bPmHY/видео.html
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness-the son of destruction-is revealed. If scripture is plain to everyone who reads it? and it says let no one deceive you about the coming of Christ, then how can you still say that you will be taken before the man of lawlessness is revealed? we must always refer to scriptures before we proclaim anything....If it does not follow scriptures then its simply not true. I only say this to bring attention to scripture, this has nothing to do with salvation but simply a difference of knowledge of the scriptures. what does not help in building of the body is not profitable, let us not get overly caught up in who's right and who's wrong but let us serve God with humility and love for him and one another. Gods grace and peace to all.
Agreed no argument here, the second coming and the rapture are the same event.i believe those that think they'll be taken away to escape the tribulation, will be the ones that fall away when they have to endure the tribulation
just try to endure the tribulation in that weak, and sinful body you're in with the Devil on the loose and you will know what falling away is all about.
the Lord's second coming and the rapture are not the same events as you have been made to believe. But his coming judgment and the rapture are! His coming judgment and the rapture are events that will come seven years before his second coming, and they will happen suddenly, and unexpectedly Just as Jesus said they would! In Mathew 24:39 and Luke 17:27 Jesus said, they knew not until the flood came and destroyed them all. "THEY KNEW NOT"! This means that they knew not of his coming judgment until that very day, and Jesus said in Luke 17:30 even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is revealed. This suggests that the day is coming when the wrath of God will suddenly, and unexpectedly be revealed from heaven, and the world will not know of that day until it comes. This is why his second coming, his coming judgment, and the rapture cannot be the same events. The Lord's second coming alone is going to be a public event!
*1-Thess 4* ^14-15 Coming [parousia] of the Lord with those who died in Christ ^16 (first) Resurrection [anastasis] ^17 *Then* ... Rapture [harpazo*] *harpagésometha = shall be seized
Just be prepare for Jesus Christ returning soon no need to debate who right or wrong. Mainly Focus on Jesus christ not men. Going Up and never look down .Amen
My question to the scholars....Where in Mathew 24, does Jesus tell his disciples he's going to come back before the tribulation? Jesus was very clear, at least in my limited understanding, that he will return " after the time of Jacob's Trouble.". If He was coming back prior to, why didn't Jesus say that to His Disciple's?
And then the other question we had to ask the scholars is anybody that tries to predict the end of the world or events will not be able to get in heaven so why are they keep talking about this I’m just saying
Mathew 24 from verse 3 through 31 is for israel not the church proof of that is right in mathew 24 from verse 15 through 20 Jesus isn't talking to the church in those scriptures he is talking to the Jewish people
@@ericneering6357 jesus Paul john all taught about the end of the age you have to actually sit down and read the Bible to see that. And you cant say the Bible isnt accurate because the dead sea scrolls have confirmed the bibles ligetamency now the copies that the satanic roman catholic church controls have been changed but the copies not controlled by the Roman catholic church are accurate
There's 2 parts to his 2nd coming, just like there were 2 parts to his 1st coming after he rose to be with Father, he returned to Earth for 40 Days to be with his disciples.
“for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Exactly. Funny how he claimed it was a "plain text reading" that brought him to his conclusions. I have never known of anyone that came to that conclusion (pre-trib) without preconceived ideas.
his " elect" are the Jews who survive the tribulation. The deciples were not asking about the Church here. We the Church are not the elect in this Matt. account Jews are elect here. Jesus was talking to Jews about Jewish questions and about the temple and events in Jerusalem. Please note: Jesus was talking about Jewish stuff in all of Matt chapters 23,24,25 so the Church is not the topic of discussion here. This makes perfect sense given that the rapture and the Church were mysteries that were revealed by Paul long after Jesus died. This time frame in Matt, cannot be talking about a topic that has not yet been in historical events in time. Please check for yourself and don't just take my word for it. Rapture in Matt, 23,24,25 completely debunked on this point alone. Nothing pre-conceived here at all just plain scripture and historical timing of scripture. Again this is not a salvation issue but honest clear interpretation of timing of events.
Isn't the coming of the son of man in Mathew 24:38,39 and the coming of the son of man in Mathew 24:27 inconsistent with each other? It seems so to me! For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the Ark, "AND KNEW NOT" until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:38,39. For as the lightning cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27. Didn't Jesus say they knew not until the flood came and took them all away and so shall also the coming of the son of man be? His coming here seems sudden and unexpected to me! It seems to me that, that coming was in secret unlike his coming in Mathew 24:27 where his coming will be like the lightning flashing from the East to the West when he'll be coming in the clouds of heaven with Power and great Glory. This sounds very public to me. It even seems to me that the lifestyle of the people who are going to be living in the days before his second coming is going to be different from the lifestyle of the people that were living in the days that were before the flood as well. Meaning, having a lifestyle of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, and living life in a time of great tribulation Mathew 24:21,22. Sounds very different to me!
Well, the one thing I thought everyone could agree was that the church WOULD see the revelealing/ rise of the antichirst as it is written in 2 Thessalonians 2 :3 “ Don’t let anyone deceive you in anyway for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed” . I guess all the different perspectives rely on what is the great tribulation and/ or the wrath of God and when it starts.
You must understand the context of the writing to understand what is being said. Paul is writing to a church suffering from tremendous persecution, which he mentions in 1st Thess. They all think that they have missed the rapture because of the level of persecution. So Paul reassures them that if they had missed the rapture, they would be seeing the revelation of the antichrist, the fake miracles, the total corruption of what is called "the church" ( Catholics, Anglicans, United etc.) and the mass delusion...but none of them have seen these things so they haven't missed the rapture. Notice a key difference here between "the day of the Lord" and "the day of Christ". The day of the Lord is the O.T. version of the Tribulation...this is how THEY understood it. The "day of Christ" is the day of the rapture, when Christ gathers all believers alive and dead to himself in the air that's what Paul was "reminding "them of , because he had already explained the rapture to them before.
There is a difference between the Rapture and Jesus' Second Coming- The Gloriously Appearing. Jesus well not come back- Down on Earth (to rule , set up His kingdom) until after the anti- Christ- man of lawlessness appears.
@@serendipity3218 I've been considering this text: Titus 2:11-13 NKJV - "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly *in the present age,* *looking FOR the blessed hope* and *GLORIOUS APPEARING of* our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," As we live righteously, *in this present age (NOW),* we ought to be *LOOKING FOR the blessed hope.* It describes THAT *blessed hope* as *the GLORIOUS APPEARING of Jesus Christ.* 1Peter 5:4 KJV - "And when the chief Shepherd *shall appear,* ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away." 1John 3:2 KJV - "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, *when he shall appear,* WE *shall be like him;* for we shall see him as he is. 1John 2:28 KJV - "And now, little children, abide in him; that, *when he shall appear,* we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him *AT HIS COMING."* *When he shall appear,* & we be before Him, is *AT HIS COMING.* Colossians 3:4 KJV - "When Christ, who is our life, *shall appear,* THEN shall ye also appear with him *in glory."* Matthew 16:27 KJV - "For the Son of man shall come in the GLORY of his Father with his angels;* and THEN *HE shall reward every man according to his works."* Mark 8:38 KJV - "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, WHEN *HE COMETH in the GLORY of his Father WITH the holy angels."* Luke 9:26 KJV - "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, WHEN *he shall COME in his own GLORY, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels."* Matt. 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-27; Rev. 6:12-17 describe what happens concerning His COMING & APPEARING. YAH be with you.
How ironic it is that the vast majority of professing Christians believe they’ll escape great tribulation through a pre tribulation rapture when it’s going to take great tribulation-a time of great testing of their faith to bring them back to God from all the false doctrines they’ve been poisoned and deluded with.
So do you think that the groom is going to drag his bride thru the coals so they can prove worthy of their free gift of salvation ? Really ? And where exactly did you read this ? Blessings to you bro
If you are truly saved it makes no difference which doctrine you believe. If you tell a person they will lose their salvation over their belief over the timing of the Rapture, then you are not demonstrating the love of Jesus. In fact you might be considered wicked. If you are truly born again....not mentally ascended then you are going in the rapture. Also, there is a huge difference between tribulation and Great tribulation. The last three years is what you appear to be referencing as my escape from. The Rapture timing is better left for those who rightly divide to discuss as an extra curricular study amongst fellow believers. See you in Glory, friend.
Sadly, too many "Christians" have a low view of scripture, never read their bibles, have never read it through from Genesis to Revelation even once, but somehow, they have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a wife beating, wife hating Groom. The entire Tribulation is the Wrath of the Lamb and The Wrath of God showered down on a God hating, Jesus rejecting world. The WORLD has always killed Christians and they have suffered throughout history for the name of Jesus Christ and for the truth of God, but God nor Jesus shower Christians with their wrath. A careful study of Revelation reveals that the different groups of saints have different duties. Such as the ones in Chapter 5 of Revelation will rule with Christ on Earth, the ones in Chapter 7 serve at the throne of God. The ones in Chapter 5 were ransomed by Jesus and the ones in Chapter 7 had to wash their robes in His blood. It's the minutiae that everyone overlooks. But we pre-trib people will be waving at the rest of you as we all rise to MEET JESUS IN THE AIR!! The 2nd coming HE COMES PHYSICAL AND TOUCHES THE MOUNT OF OLIVES which splits in two!
@@kenklein9228 I'm not exactly sure what false doctrine you are referring to, but the rapture is a word from the Lord. I Thessalonians 4:13-18. If it is the timing of the rapture, than to each his own and we'll all find out soon enough.
if rapture includes all christians (even carnal ones, the same level as that of the Corinthians that you discussed), then who will be left to refuse the mark of the beast after the rapture?
The ones who understand why they did not go with others in the Rapture and converts to Christianity and GOD // The Marters are those who the godless anti-christ catches and cuts their head off .... But there are those who escape and are here when GOD returns ..
@@lindasabousky3815 Sister you are mistaken... Pre trib is a false teaching that goes directly against the gospel, God says such people are cursed and we should not listen to them Gal 1 8-9 The sacrifice of Christ benefits all truly repentant sinners who have sincere faith and trust in Christ, but this benefit is conferred as God automatically baptizes all true believers in the Holy Spirit, which places them "into" the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:13) and that "Body" is the Church (Eph.1:22,23), with the result that all believers are "IN Christ" (2Cor.5:17). Being "in Christ" is the place of justification (Gal.2:17), redemption and forgiveness of sins (Eph.1:7). What's more, Paul teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ, has died to the requirements and condemnation of the OT law (Rom. 7:4,6) and thus, anyone who is not in the body of Christ remains condemned by the law (Rom.2:12 ; Gal.3:10-11 ; Jas.2:10). There is no other place, than in Christ's body, for those spiritual transactions in the NT. It will only be people "in Christ" (and in his body), who have been crucified with him, who have died and been burried with him, and are made alive with him (read Rom.6:1-10). For anyone to be saved, God places Jews or Gentiles "in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross" (Eph.2:16)... and that one body of reconciliation is the Church (Eph.1:22-23). There will never be any other way to justification, reconciliation to God, redemption, resurrection and eternal life, than by being "IN Christ," which is in his body the Church ...and anything else is another way of salvation (and really, another gospel) than is found in the Bible. It would take some major explaining to tell how a person could be "in Christ" but not in his body (the Church). If the tribulation saints are not in Christ's body, then how are they saved? Consider especially verses like Romans 12:5, which says, "so in Christ we who are many form one body." Paul says explicitly there that being "in" Christ means being in his "body", and he uses those two ideas as being inseparable. Biblical Christianity can never advance any other way of justification and redemption, other than being "IN Christ." So, the pre-trib notion of a group of "tribulation saints" who are saved and redeemed during the tribulation, but yet are not part of the body of Christ (the Church), is actually a contradiction in terms, which rests on very shabby theology that undermines the biblical doctrine of salvation. The true situation during the tribulation will be: there will be Spirit-baptized saints who are "washed ...in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev.7:14), so, they are blood-bought and justified saints; they will be born-again Christians "who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev.12:17), and who "remain faithful to Jesus" (Rev.14:12). And very crucial for this discussion: note those saints who "die IN the Lord" during the Great Tribulation (see Rev.14:12-13 with 6:9-11) ...remembering from our previous discussion, that being "in the Lord," or "in Christ," is precisely the NT description of a believer who is part of the Church, the body of Christ! Thus, there is no possible way that these tribulation "saints" can not part of the Church. They must be. The corporate body of Christ first came into being when believers were first baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5 & 2:1-4). Since then, every true believer is automatically placed into the body of Christ by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12:13), so that all believers are "in Christ" (and this must since the Acts 2 day of Pentecost include all Old Testament saints, as well as tribulation saints). Redemptive union with Christ, in his body (the Church), has always been God's plan for all believers of all ages. Paul says that Jesus is the Savior of "his body" (Eph.5:23), and it would take some major explaining to show that he is the Savior of anybody else. Anybody who is not part of the body of Christ, therefore, will not be saved. Jew or Gentile, there is no other provision in all of eternity for the salvation of sinners other than by being in the body of Christ. So, unavoidably, since there are saved people on earth during the tribulation, the body of Christ, the Church, must be present on earth at that time. Since the "Church" is clearly on earth during the Tribulation, there is no reason to say that the Church is evacuated just before the Tribulation begins. Obviously, those who "die in the Lord" during the tribulation will be part of Christ's body, the Church, and they too (like all who are in Christ) will rise at the first resurrection and be raptured (1 Thess.4:16-18). Thus, the rapture must follow the tribulation, during which those tribulation saints "die IN the Lord."
@@lindasabousky3815 was Jesus lying when He stated He would come for ALL on the last day, and raise ALL on the last day? of course not. I will trust the word of God not a 1832 latter day teaching of pre trib. Scripture does not contradict scripture, only false teachings do... i was once fooled by satans pre trib trap as well until i really studied and found truth. John 6:39 English translation And this is the will of the Father who sent me, that everyone who He gave me - I shall lose none of him, but rather, I shall raise him on the last day. Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550) τοῦτο δέ ἐστιν τὸ θέλημα τοῦ πέμψαντός με πατρός, ἵνα πᾶν ὃ δέδωκέν μοι μὴ ἀπολέσω ἐξ αὐτοῦ ἀλλὰ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸ ἐν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ John 6:40 English Translation And this is the will of Him who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him has eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day. Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550) τοῦτο δὲ ἐστιν τὸ θέλημα τοῦ πέμψαντος με, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ θεωρῶν τὸν υἱὸν καὶ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν ἐγὼ τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ John 6:44 English Translation No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I shall raise him on the last day. Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550) οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐλθεῖν πρός με ἐὰν μὴ ὁ πατὴρ ὁ πέμψας με ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν καὶ ἐγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ John 6:54 English Translation He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day. Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550) τρώγων μου τὴν σάρκα καὶ πίνων μου τὸ αἷμα ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ ἐγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ
@@issuesthatmatter2825 It appears that many interpret the gospels diff and GOD told us all would be explained when we got to Heaven...... I believe what I read and hear are true and others - there way ... I have Bible verses underlined and feel I am right and you feel you are right... That is OK -- GOD will explain the actual truth and way when we arrive in front of HIM.....
As to the Question; "WILL THE CHURCH GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION," The Biblical ANSWER is; ......YES , We WILL !!! Jesus made it Clear, in Mt.24:14, that "WE the CHURCH, WILL be the Preachers of "This Gospel of the Kingdom as a Witness to all Nations, then shall the END COME". In the Last Four "letters to the Churches", we discover that THYATIRA, SARDIS, PHILADELPHIA, and LAODICEA, are "Prophetic" END-TIME Churches, of the "CHURCH-AGE", of which the first Three, THYATIRA, SARDIS, and PHILADELPHIA, have TWO Different GROUPS of SAINTS in Them !! The FIRST Group, that of the FIRSTFRUITS !! ( generally represents the Tithe , or 10% of the Total ) The SECOND GROUP, that of the "General Assembly". ( and represents the larger 90% of the Congregation ) Now notice; The Firstfruits of THYATIRA, SARDIS, and PHILADELPHIA, are All promised an "Escape" !!! For THYATIRA, ( Rev.2:24-25 ) For SARDIS, ( Rev.3:4 ) For PHILADELPHIA, (Rev.3:10-11 ) However, also Notice; that the "Hour of Temptation" spoken of in Rev.3:10, to the Church of PHILADELPHIA, Clearly Refers to the coming Future TRIBULATION !! Yet in verse12, Christ is STILL Addressing the Church of PHILADELPHIA , and in particular, this Second Group of SAINTS, the 90% part, of the "General Assembly" !! And They are Told to be the "OVERCOMERS" that will be doing the PREACHING of "This GOSPEL Of The KINGDOM, As a WITNESS To ALL NATIONS", ( to possibly a World Population of about "four BILLION" people, or about Half of what it is Now ) as Discussed by JESUS in Mt.24:14 !! These are the Same "OVERCOMERS", of possibly more than "ONE HUNDRED MILLION Christians" , that are referred to in Rev.15:2, that will "HAVE VICTORY", Over the "BEAST," His "IMAGE", His "MARK", and the "NUMBER of His NAME". ( The UPC BAR-Code ) that is today used on every Item sold Commercially, that will be Part of the ROTHSCHILDS WORLD Banking Controlled CENTRAL BANK System, of which ANYONE who wants to REMAIN in Their Banking System, will be required to take the "Micro-Chip" implant, ( the MARK of the BEAST ) to keep a Bank account. Yet GOD has Provided a "WAY OUT", for Christians, and Non-Christians Alike, ( those who will be part of the SHEEP NATIONS, that will re-Populate the EARTH, After ARMAGDDON, Mt.25 ) ......Who will HEED Our Warning, and "Get Out" of the Current ROTHSCHILDS "CENTRAL BANK" Controlled, WORLD BANKING System, and Into "CRYPTO CURRENCY", such as "BITCOIN", and Thereby "escape" The coming "JEWISH" BANKING CRACKDOWN, that will Emerge under the Coming JEWISH ANTICHRIST, That Tens of thousands of "pastors" Are "Covering-up", in their weekly Pulpit Sermons !!! So I Appeal to every Bible believer, to examine the scriptures, ad NOT Listen to Such MASONIC HERETICS, as JOHN Mac ARTHUR, or JOHN HAGEE, or JOHN ANKERBERG , or ANY OTHER Such Deluded and Deceived HERETIC, that preaches This un-believable FALSE GOSPEL of a "PRE-TRIB" RAPTURE, And thereby DENYING The TRUTH of the Scriptures, As I Present in this my Comment !! And to Understand, that THIS is What Gods Prophets such as Daniel, were Warning about, when in Dan.12:7, the prophet Daniel declared, that; ...."God Would SCATTER The POWER of the ( Un-Holy ) HOLY PEOPLE". ( The ROTHSCHILDS WORLD BANKING EMPIRE ) From which the ROTHSCHILD and UNITED NATIONS, Appointee, the JEWISH ANTICHRIST Will Emerge, together with the Jewish /Lebanese FALSE PROPHET, ( BENNY HINN ) Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
It amazes me that learned theologians do not have the understanding to see that Matthew 24 is about Jesus talking to HIS people the jews. The church did not even exist at this time , except in God's mind, therefore the concept of the church was still a mystery to men. He quotes scripture from Daniel and we know that in reading these verses that the angel refers to Daniel's people. Who are Daniel's people - the Jews, the nation of Israel. It is so hard to understand that "he who is in Judea" should flee to the mountains ( of Judea) is referring to the people of the nation of Israel at that time. ( not christians and not the church). The words speak for themselves. This is so fundamental, that once this is understood the rest will make sense. The Word must be divided rightly. The end of days evangelism will be carried out by the Two Witnesses, the 144.000 jewish male virgins and the angel who will go through out the earth preaching the everlasting gospel, to them that dwell on the earth, to every nation, kindred, tongue and people. This is about Israel, and is Israels time to evegalise the world and to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord and say "blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord". The chuch has no place being here at this time. The church's time has finished, they were to preach the gospel of Grace and now that time is coming to a close, and Israels' time is beginning once again and this time the whole of the remnant of Israel will be saved.
Unbiblical theologian is more like it. We will be preaching the gospel to the world during the Tribulation??? How come the Bible says in revelation 14:6 that an angel is preaching the gospel and not the church? I would address the other heresies you mentioned but it's a waste of time because your problem is spiritual darkness...you are not a believer in the person and work of Jesus Christ.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! - Isaiah 5:20
Exactly. Christ spends a great deal of time in the Olivet Discourse telling us what to expect in the years before His appearing; birth pangs first (which include a falling away), then the GT, which is not long on the horizon. We'll be here for the Great Tribulation unless we die first. Time to get ready, God's way.
The Pre-Tribulation doctrine appeals to the flesh; it sells books and movies, and fills pews, which gives it life. Jesus promised every follower tribulation, and that we would be treated by the world just as He was treated (no servant is above his master). He also said, you should count the cost to follow Him. It costs the daily death to "self", and sometimes the death of our bodies. That should come as no shock if you study the Scriptures and history of the Saints' martyrdoms for the Gospel .
The resurrection is on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, 1 Cor 15:52, Rev 20:4-6). Therefore 1 Thes 4 is the second coming at the end of the grreat tribulation. Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). Life is normal (eating, drinking, etc.), then there is a flash of light and our spirit/soul is taken to heaven just like natural death. Life is not normal (famine, drought, etc.) at the end of the age. Most are hiding in caves (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
@@onetakendotnet Do you have a Scripture passage for a spirit rapture and leaving bodies of the Saints behind? This is not part of the preTrib Rapture doctrine. The Luke passages are parallel verses to Matthew 24. They are referencing the desolation of the Temple, City and House of Israel by Messiah, as happened in 70 AD. The first to be taken on the Day of the Lord (aka the Harvest), will be the wicked, the ones left will be the righteous. Matthew 13:30,38-39,41-43 KJV *Let both grow together until the harvest:* and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, *Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:* _but gather the wheat into my barn._ [38] The field is the world; _the good seed are the children of the kingdom;_ *but the tares are the children of the wicked one ;* [39] ... *the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.* [41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and *they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;* [42] *And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:* there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. [43] *Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.* _Who hath ears to hear, let him hear._ Notice that God destroyed the wicked on *THE SAME DAY* He rescued Noah and Lot, not years apart. He'll do it the same way on the day He comes. Luke 17:27,29 KJV _They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until_ *the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.* [29] _But_ *the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.*
Hebrews 12:2 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God
QUESTION?... If God really had set up a fixed 7-year of Great Tribulation (Great Persecution of the Anti-Christ), then, where can you locate (pinpoint) from the fixed 7-year period, Matt 24:22 which says, "except/unless those days (tribulation days) had been shortened (cut short in length/duration), there should be no flesh be saved, but for the sake of the elect." (paraphrase)??? Is the fixed 7-year duration had been already shortened (cut short)?... Is the Great Tribulation based on 10 or 12 years duration before it was cut into 7 years only? Please, enlighten me...thanks,
NO -- when GOD feels it is enough -- Then the War of Armageddon starts and GOD kills many sinners but saves the converted Christians ... At least this is what I understand
You're overthinking, it just means the tribulation is only 7 years of 360 days the Jewish calendar is 360 days. The world could not survive that kind of supernatural activity for more than God has decreed. Everything is about the Jews and the Tribulation is their final 7 years that God established for them. Go back to Daniel Chapter 12. You have to study Daniel and Revelation together.
@@rebeccarussell3091 Sorry, with due respect, I am not getting any LOGICAL and REASONABLE answer to all of this... Why will God establish 7 years of Tribulation for the Jews as you claimed that comes from the Book of Daniel, if God knew no one will survive for 7 years, that is why in Matthew Gospel, God will cut it short or be shortened the Time Duration for the sake of the ELECT (People of God)... The Book of Revelation and Matthew's Gospel never mentioned nor specified the 7 years Tribulation Period... but mentioned 3-1/2 years (1260 days) the Anti-Christ and the beast will reign... and 3-1/2 years (1260) also the 2 Witnesses of God will preach before they are defeated/killed by the Beast/anti-Christ who ruled for 3-1/2 years also... Is this 7-year Tribulation just an ASSUMPTION or a FACT???... Does this mean that at the end of the 3-1/2 years (1260 days) of the 2 Witnesses of God, they will be killed by the Beast/Anti-Christ that starts the Apostasy/Son of Perdition is revealed and the start of the reign of the Beast and Anit-Christ for 3-1/2 years (1260 days) for the total of 7 years Tribulation Period? Now, where is the SHORTENED PERIOD that will occur that was mentioned in Matthew's gospel 24:22 in the 7 years Tribulation time duration based in the Book of Daniel???
@@jvlp2046 What is meant by "shortened period" is that the sin of man deserves a much longer punishment, but God is the time master and He has deemed 7 years for the Wrath of the Lamb and the Wrath of God, which begins in Chapter 6 of Revelation with the opening of the first seal.
My biggest question for a post-trib believer is “how can Jesus coming be ‘like a thief in the night’ and a surprise to us all if it happens after a specifically timed period of great tribulation”
He comes as a surprise only a thief to those of the world. He will come also as a thief to Christians who're are still in love with the world - that's what Christ warns about.
@@CowboysFan777 Remember Paul said the dead in Christ rise first, then we who are alive and remain get caught. So that would have to be the resurrection of the church, right? The we are all caught up. But Rev. 20 says the first resurrection consists of those killed by the Beast. Hmmm. So where is the pretrib rapture in that?
@@Mike65809 A full resurrection is where 100% dead are raised. None are "alive and remain". The saints in Revelation 20:4 LIVED, or a full resurrection. 100% DEAD come alive at once. The harpazo has 2000 years of fallen brothers and sisters in Christ, such as my grandparents, come WITH Jesus in the clouds. They get a resurrection because they sleep in Jesus. But we who are alive and remain shall be CHANGED!!!! we don't get a resurrection, because we aren't dead. We don't sleep in Jesus
@@CowboysFan777 Well you assume there are none that are alive and remain. I would conclude, since it is the "first" resurrection, it is the same one Paul referred to in 1 Thess. 4, and in many other places where the resurrection is mentioned. Look at 1 Cor. 15 that mentions the resurrection, but makes it clear we will not all sleep, but will all be changed. Even those alive (and remain) will receive a resurrected body, which is why he says we will all be changed. Amen?
Interesting. When I read easiest reading, I don't get pre-trib. Even though I've heard books, sermons, and movies that make sense, when I actually read the Bible without these other lenses, the easiest reading seems it would be "soon." "In this generation." Etc. Also, I struggle with the easiest reading in Daniel. It takes a lot of jumping IMO to get to a pause in the 70 week prophecy when the 69 is so clear. Another "easiest" reading issue I have is whrre he keeps sayimg this verse or that is clear...if it was so clear then why the other views? Like Revelation 4. If you aren't looking for a raptured church, and are just reading along, I don't think that's what you see in that chapter. I get how they see it, but i dont think it's the easoest reading. I think you have to put your lens on to get there. Again IMO. I know there are holes in those other views, but I cannot get past the easiest reading NOT lending itself toward this view.
The easiest reading deceives. Deep reading tells us it isnt soon. Exodus 32:1 make this clear as do many other verses. In fact it gets better than that. The Bible actually tells us not only will it be a "long time" before Jesus returns but that it will be 2000 years.
Correct. The easiest reading is when Christ is speaking directly to you and I in the Olivet Discourse, not unbelieving Jews. Dispensationalism causes Christians to ignore Christ's clear words, putting them at extreme risk for ending up like the foolish virgins in Matthew 25.
In this generation seems to mean the generation that witnesses the signs he is talking about, not the generation standing around him at the time. Daniel was a sealed book. It is likely that all theories so far are wrong and only new theories or theories at the end times will be correct because the Spirit unseals them for the believers in the end times. One theory is revelation 4-11 and revelation 12-15:5 are the same vision. And the 7 church letters correspond to the 7 seals and they are instructions for the end times, specifically each church letter is instructions for each time a seal is broken open. The 6th seal is the rapture of the church and the 144,000 are saved and taken up first fulfilling the last saved are the fist into heaven. See Nelson Walters on youtube. He lays it out and it is now the simplest most straight forward theory I have seen yet. All that being said prepare for the worst
Eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building, and getting married convinced me there is a pre-trib rapture. The wicked will be caught off guard (Matt 24:39). Just prior to the second coming is famine, drought, hyperinflation, mark of the beast, violent heat, storms, earthquakes, gigantic meteorites, and the sun goes dark, instead of building and planting, and love will grow cold instead of weddings. At the end, everbody knows what is going and is hiding in a cave (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection for the saints (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52) on the last day, last trump.
Minute 15:57, did anyone hear that tapping “da da da dah da… da da”? The moment he says “peace and safety”? Was that a sign of some sort? That tapping sound came from a song called “shave and a haircut, 2 bits”. It is said it was used in Morris code to get someone’s attention. What attention are we asked to be given right at this moment?
Jeff Kinley....🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️Scripture clearly says 2 things must happen before The Rapture: 1.Many will fall away from the faith 2. The Son of Perdition (AntiChrist) is revealed. Some people read scripture, but lack guidance of the Holy Spirit who leads you in all Truth🤦♂️🤷♂️ "always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" II Timothy 3:7 NKJV "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables". II Timothy 4:3-4 NKJV
Thank you for this great explanation!! And I’ll say, we can only understand the word of God through the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 2:14 What we see is too many people trying to interpret the word by their own human understanding. But that’s not how we interpret the word, only through the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 2:13 and Who is our Teacher and guides us into all truth John 14:26 we in our natural mind cannot understand the things of God. Thanks again for this excellent video on these important biblical events!!
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
Sandra, What these "Pseudo Scholars" present here in this Above Video, is PURE Heresy, and Not at all Biblical !! Read your own KJV Bible, on 1.Thess,4:15-17, and ask yourself if; ... "We that are Alive and REMAIN" are said to "Not PRECEDE those that are Asleep in Jesus" ( the "DEAD In CHRIST" that "RISE FIRST" of verse 16 ) And that verse 16 declares that these "DEAD In CHRIST RISE FIRST", which if your BRAIN is Working, will tell you that the Tribulation MARTYRS "Must Be" part of These DEAD In "CHRIST That RISE FIRST", .....And Rev.20:4 Tells you that these MARTYRS are NOT Resurrected to LIFE , until the LAST DAY of the TRIBULATION !! Then Obviously these TWO BOZO's on this Video above here, Are LYING Through their TEETH !! Especially when you consider the Next, and 17th Verse, which declares that; ...."We that are LIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT-UP," ( that means "RAPTURED ) "Together with THEM" !! ( that means, "at that SAME TIME", Together with these "DEAD IN CHRIST that RISE FIRST", which Must include the MARTYRS of the TRIBULATION Period. Sandra, even a "Fifth Grader", that reads His or Her Bible, and Not having been "Indoctrinated" by "SPIRITUAL CEMETERIES" called SEMINARIES, can UNDERSTAND This TRUTH !! Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
Job 14 12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. John 6 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Dan. 12 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. John 5 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. .
@@jawmedia7575 THAT IS THE QUESTION OF THE MILLENNIUM. DENIAL DECEPTION DELUSION LACK OF KNOWLEDGE LAZINESS NO LOVE FOR THE TRUTH DOUBT UNBELIEF REJECTING THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH antichrist IN THEIR TEMPLE INSTEAD OF GOD EDIT: FEAR
The elect were told they would face tribulation in the world, just not God’s wrath. The tribulation is the wrath of antichrist and satan, not God, I believe that sometime after the midpoint of the 70th week, when antichrist is revealed, is when we will be raptured. Paul did explain that in 2nd Thessalonians 2.
No, the church of Christ is first raptured. Then next, mass chaos ensues & the antichrist THEN steps onto the world stage as "the man with the plan" to bring order, safety, etc.
Christians will endure persecution, not a rapture, and here is the proof: “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” Revelation 7:9-14 KJV bible.com/bible/1/rev.7.9-14.KJV
Jeff Kinley - Good & true word.....pre-trib/mid trib & post trib.....which one is correct???.....they all are, 1st the Church goes (pre)....Then The the 144000 go (mid) then the two witnesses go (Post). Keep in Love, Keep the Faith.
Jesus is coming back in the clouds after the Great Tribulation caused by the beast. After that Gods wrath will occur. So the great tribulation and the wrath are two totally different things.
In the Book of Revelation 6:11, the Angel of God told John that God asks to wait for a while until the "Full number of Martyrs are completed"... Logically speaking if the Church of God will be Raptured before the Great Tribulation (Pre-Trib-Rapture Doctrine), where will God get His Martyrs to complete the full number (only God knows how many are needed)?... Definitely, God will not get it from the Atheist, Communist, Agnostics, non-believers of Jesus Christ like the Jews/Muslims, and other religions... right?... Therefore, the Church of God in Christ Jesus must be on Earth when the Great Tribulation occurs for God to get those remaining Martyrs (persecuted by beheading/decapitation/killing by any means)... Amen
They likely will. Christ warned of a falling away which occurs during the birth pangs. Any of us who don't spiritually prepare for the coming times will very likely fall away.
Pre tribulation rapture may be wishful thinking! We will be marked by God during tribulation, like Passover, for our protection. Time will tell won’t it!!! Let us be rooted and grounded in Truth!
The resurrection is on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, 1 Cor 15:52, Rev 20:4-6). Therefore, 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming at the end of the grreat tribulation. However, Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). Life is normal pre-trib (eating, drinking, etc.), then there is a flash of light and our spirit/soul is taken to heaven just like natural death. Life is not normal (famine, drought, etc.) at the end of the age. Most are hiding in caves (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
All of Daniels prophecies are descriptions of Christs first Advent. In Matthew 24:15, Jesus is answering the disciples' question about when the temple would be destroyed. Here, Jesus not only gives them a time frame for when they could expect this ("this generation" Approx.. 40 years), but defines the meaning of the event by associating the destruction of the temple and the Great Tribulation with a familiar and often repeated Old Testament promise. Deuteronomy 28 describes a point at which God would visit a curse upon his people (Daniel 9:8-13). Not only will Jesus Connect Daniel's prophecy about the Great Tribulation (Daniel 9:11-12, 9:27), directly to the destruction of the temple (70AD), but he also quotes Daniel 7:13 ("son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and glory"), as an event to run concurrently with the entirety of Daniel's vision concerning Christ's first Advent. According to Christ, the "Son of man coming in power and glory" vs 30, is directly associated with the tribulation and destruction of the temple! In other words, Christ's ascension and heavenly coronation as King of Israel, is immediately attested to by his Coming in clouds of heaven with power and glory (Matthew 26:64, Mark 9:1, Mark 14:62, Matthew 23:32-39)! This manifestation of God's power against Nations is commonly referred to in the Old Testament as the "day of the Lord" (Zephaniah 1:15, 1:4, 2:7, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18, Lamentations 2:22, Joel 1:15, Jeremiah 46:10, Obadiah 1:12, Zachariah 12:8, Daniel 9:8-13). Wherever we read of this expression in the New Testament it's almost always referring to what the church at that time believed was an impending "divine judgement" against Israel (Zephaniah 1:15, 1:4, 2:7, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18, Lamentations 2:22, Joel 1:15, Jeremiah 46:10, Obadiah 1:12, Zachariah 12:8, Daniel 9:8-13). The son of Man coming in clouds with power and glory in Matthew 24 (the Olivet discourse), was an event Christians living during Jesus' time were expecting to see within their lifetimes. With this interpretation of Daniels prophecy, Jesus lays his prophetic credentials on the line saying; "heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away." If we say as the Jews did then, and still do today, that the Messiah's Kingdom has not come, we make Jesus a liar! 1 John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesses not the Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is the spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
Tell me where in the new testament that Jesus teaches his deciples about the rapture and the timing of it? I dare to challenge you here! I can only find it in Matthew 24: 29-31 where Jesus mentions AFTER the tribulation. So all the deciples mentioning of it can only come from Jesus. 🤔
Noah was taken safely through gods wrath, noah didnt get raptured. I think god will ttake us safely through the tribulation like he did with noah. The only thing he will not save us from is persecution.
Get ready to face tribulatios. Getting to heaven is not throgh an easy rapture. Pre trbulation rapture theory is foolish. Only after all the 21 events of the book of Revelation Christ will come.
Yeah? You mean we've got to do something to earn it? What does the Bible say..."By GRACE are you saved through FAITH and not of yourselves lest any man should boast" ?
Before Jesus was my Lord and Saviour I was: A drug user, selfish, alcoholic, whoremonger, covetous, adulterer, fornicator, gambler, filthy mouth, aggressive, disrespectful, violent, was very unhealthy physically, diagnosed with Bipolar, ADHD, Schitzoaffective Disorder, PTSD, took 8 pills to get to sleep, had severe depression, tried to commit suicide, was disobedient, prideful was a murderer at heart, didn't pay my bills, had a declining credit rating, had no moral, no direction, no hope. I almost died more than a few times. I was in a hostage/seige situation overseas. I was a not serious, prideful, denied everything that was wrong with me. I was a joker, didn't like study, had little to no interests, had no wisdom or knowledge of things that mattered. I couldn't budget money, wasted food, knew nothing about fasting, had no discipline and had a weak mind. I had more money than I did now but it would vanish. I was also materialistic and did not know where I was going. I was saved supernaturally from death a few times and even been supernaturally healed without hands or anyone praying for me, but by Jesus only. Everything mentioned at the top has changed. At 18 I had something happen to me in a very small church, but I cannot explain it in words. Most people wouldn't believe it. And what happened was confirmed by one other, so I was not tripping and the feeling of peace was over me. That's when he first knocked but I was not born again until one week less than 4 months ago. All the above has changed in 4 months! Am I still a sinner? Of course! Do you want to give your life to Jesus? Let me know. No signs of Bipolar, Depression, ADHD, my concentration is on point without drugs or medicine. The Spirit even showed me what to eat, directed me towards fasting and I have lost 15kgs (I'm from Australia) in 6 months...and 8 kgs since 8 weeks ago. I am no longer feeling empty but full. I used to go crazy with boredom but have so much to do to stimulate me....studies...preaching etc. I layed down and asked to be SAVED. He taught me how. Admitting I need A Saviour, Asking for forgiveness, repenting, and accepting HIM. I did not know how to preach, but within weeks became very explanatory and effective with making people think about Salvation in Jesus. I learned more from his word in 7 weeks than I have in 39 years. Knock and the door will be opened. Don't delay. Get rid of all pride and self righteousness. You cannot and will not do it on your own. You need him. If you can give yourself everlasting life....please let me know and let the whole world know as well. God Bless from Australia. I already had faith from the testimonies of my life. I am copying a pasting this comment every channel I can, but I will add this as well. I had a demon possession, seen demons, heard them and it was scary to the point I could not be in any house alone without freaking out. I was full of fear. Those days have vanished. No church building will SAVE you. Choose only the Bretheran who take The Holy Word seriously.
LOOK UP FOR THE SECOND COMING “When you see these things begin to happen, LOOK UP....for your redemption draws near.” (Luke 21:28) “Waiting eagerly for the redemption of our body.” (Rom. 8:23) Jesus is not teaching the church to “look up” and wait for her redemption (rapture) before the tribulation, but after it. He makes this clear where He says the end times church (you) will “see all these things” BEFORE the “day and hour” of His coming (Mt. 24:33,36). Day and hour is the rapture. What things is He talking about? All the events described in the Olivet discourse (Mt. 24:4-30). But if the church must see them, how is that possible if she is taken up BEFORE the tribulation? Obviously, it isn’t. Jesus is saying the church will be redeemed (raptured) in conjunction with the second coming. He is not talking about “tribulation saints,” those who get saved after the rapture, rather those who endure to the end (Matt. 24:13). Scripture makes no reference to, or distinction between, saints before and after a pretrib rapture. You’re a church saint or you aint.
The Bible talks about TRIBULATION, some interpreted as the "Wrath of God" (Day of the Lord), some as the "Great Persecution" (GreatTribulation), and some interpreted as both... I will give you an ANALOGY... The English word "APOSTLES" (of Christ Jesus) can also be called "DISCIPLES"... but definitely for sure, the English word "DISCIPLES" can not be the "APOSTLES"... the same analogy... We do not need the I.Q. of Einstein to figure it out and understand and comprehend this matter unless we have a very low or totally poor I.Q. Take note that the Scriptures were not originally written in English, the whole O.T. was written in Hebrew-Aramaic (Ancient Hebrew text), and the N.T. came from Hebrew-Aramaic and Ancient Greek text, not the modern Greek language... In those days Greek Vocabularies was limited compared to this day and they have some variations... The Original Greek word used was "THLIPSIS" meaning to put extreme pressures like squeezing, compressing to the point of breaking or crushing, the expanded definition is "infliction of Hardship." The Latin word used was "TRIBULATIO" meaning miseries, trouble, and distress... which came to the English word from Latin into TRIBULATION... Basically, "by definition," the word TRIBULATION can be applied (or can be called) to either "Wrath of God" (Day of the Lord) and the "Great Persecution" (Great Tribulation) in the general sense/form... but Categorically speaking, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) is not the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) vice-versa... They are both TRIBULATIONS of Mankind, but different from one another in terms of Time of EVENT and WHO is it for... is it a Tribulation for the People of God or a Tribulation for against Gor or perhaps both? The Prophecy of Daniel about the 70th Week or last End- Week composed of 7 days = the "7-year Period of Tribulation." How did the Bible Scholars come up with this period, sorry, I can not explain it to you because it is too long to do... Prophet Daniel also, Prophesy that at the middle of the 7-year Period of Tribulation, which is 3-1/2 years (42 months), the Anti-Christ/Man of Lawlessness/Son of Perdition will be revealed to start the Great Persecution of the God's People (Church) for 3 1/2 years but before this period ends, the persecution will be "CUT-SHORT" (shortened Unknown time mentioned in Matt. 24:22), the 1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ will rise and followed by those who survived the Persecution of the Unholy trinity to SNATCH them AWAY (Rapture) and bring them in the Sky/Cloud to meet Christ... basically, it means to END the sufferings/afflictions of the Church from the hands of the Anti-Christ,... then immediately after that Event happened in the blink of an Eye, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) begins/starts for those People against God. To Summarized, the whole 7-year period is called TRIBULATION, the first 3-1/2 years of Tribulation will be for both Good/God's People and Bad/Evil People on Earth called the "BIRTH PAINS," like extreme Earthquakes, Volcano Eruptions, extreme Natural Catastrophes, Global Pandemics, World Wars, extreme Drought, extreme Hunger/Poverty, etc... In the middle of the 7-year Tribulation, or the 2nd half period, the Anti-Christ will be revealed and the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) begins/starts for Good/God's People only, the vast majority of the Bad People will take the "Mark of the Beast" to exempt from the great persecution of the Unholy Trinity. The vast majority of Good People will choose Martyrdom instead of the Mark of the Beast... then from "unknown time" the persecution of the Good People will be cut short, and the 1st wave of Resurrection of the dead rises and taken up in Sky/Clouds together of those who survived the persecution... after the God People is secured in safety from Christ, the Warth of God begins for the Evil/Bad People left-behind... Therefore, 1st Half of Tribulation for both Good and Evil People,... 2nd half of Tribulation for Good/God's People only... and the Last Part (unknown time) before the Tribulation Ends, the Wrath of God begins for the Bad/Evil People left-behand only until the coming (return) of our Lord, Christ Jesus with the People of God to wage WAT at the Battle of Armageddon. ...Amen.
isn't the tribulation for Israel as stated in Daniel 9? (the 7 weeks)(7 years of Jacobs trouble) the third temple will be built and the sacrifices will begin. is there going to be a 2-tiered salvation system then in the tribulation where the Christians have Jesus as their salvation and the Jewish people will have their animal sacrifices? would we see temples go up all over and animal sacrifices begin everywhere? how would the 2 witnesses and the 144,000 get along with the church then? were they all sent because the church just DIDN'T GET THE JOB DONE? but i see people saying that we have to "endure to the end to be saved" Jesus said it in matt. 10:22, Matthew 10:22 (KJV) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved...but what about His Blood atonement? wasn't that enough? you know, saved by grace? Ephesians 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:9 (KJV) Not of works, lest any man should boast. isn't "enduring to the end to be saved" works? being good in your own might? obeying? but another question!! we're not under the law! we're saved by grace! so which is it or is it both? Col 2:13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; why then does Jesus say in matt. 10:22 that you HAVE to "endure to the end to be saved then"? thought we were "SAVED FOREVER" John 10:28 (KJV) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. which is it? we are "saved forever" thanks for Jesus's one-time Blood atonement on the cross! :) "so enduring to the end to be saved" must not be in the age of grace, that's right it's not! it's the old testament way of salvation now! . the 7 years of tribulation, the 7 years of the old testament now to accept their Messiah. the answer is because when Jesus was talking to His disciples about the end of the world in matt. 24 and luke 13, the age of grace HAD NOT YET BEGUN! because Jesus hadn't died on the cross the gospels of matt., mark, luke, and john were really and should be the last part of the old testament. because Jesus's sacrifice had not yet begun until after these gospels. so, when Jesus was talking about "enduring to the end to be saved" in matt. 10:22, He was talking old testament times, because IT'S THE OLD TESTAMENT IN THE TRIBULATION!! it's another age now!! its the old testament for the world!! not just for the jewish people. the jewish people REJECTED THEIR MESSIAH, israel has another 7 years of old testament left! and what about the church!? Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Revelation 3:10 (KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. this is the true church! how can it mean anything else? only the tribulation will be on the whole earth! and it's in revelation too! please dont tell anybody to "endure to the end to be saved" just yet! please! a great video on rightly dividing is by robert breaker..ruclips.net/video/e9UHtHkPzVw/видео.html please watch!
No...remember what Daniels says "He will confirm a covenant for one week" but then he will break it halfway through...so the time of Jacob's trouble will be the last three and a half years of the Tribulation. Notice that in answering his disciples questions about this , in Mathew ch 24, Jesus starts his answer about the signs of his coming and Israel's persecution with the "abomination of desolation" as written in Daniel...so in Mathew ch 24 Jesus is confirming that the time of Jacob's trouble starts halfway through the Tribulation. Israel will be protected by the antichrist for the first three and a half years...that's when they will be under the witness of the 144,000 and the two witnesses. I recommend you watch Dr. David Hocking's You Tube series on the entire book of Daniel and Ezekiel and Revelation...I consider him to be the most knowledgeable teacher on Bible prophecy alive today...if you choose to do this , you will be amazed at the depth of his teaching.
The rapture will start first before Tribulation starts. 1Thessalonians 1:10. Saved From From Wrath To Come. Rapture. 1Thessalonians 4:14-17, 1Corinthians 15:51-52. During Tribulation will be horrible times on the earth. Things will be not like it is right now doing Tribulation.
The Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath, not God's (Rev 12). God's wrath consists of the bowls (Rev 16), and we're raptured out immediately before the bowls are poured. We'll be here for the GT unless we die beforehand. Time for us to get ready, God's way.
Why do pastors and scholars always think that if the church goes through the tribulation they will suffer? The wrath of God is not for the children of GOD but for the unbelievers, the two witnesses are 7,000 that GOD have reserved, two candle sticks means two churches that are in the tribulation.
Please, those who looking in on this thread__ be careful not to be lead astray by false-prophets. Many are coming and have come since near 1830; with a pre-Trib narrative of the saints escaping before the 1st sign [event] that Jesus gave the Apostles is lived out. Which one is that?
The wrath of God is the fifth , sixth and seventh trumpet judgements. Though Christians will be on the earth during the fifth and sixth trumpets they will not be affected by them. We will not be on the earth for the vials of wrath.
@@Mixedshortsai Rea Revelation 6 and the opening of the first scroll. Who opens the first seal? The Lamb who is Jesus Christ himself. If Jesus is God, then all of the tribulation is the wrath of God not just part of it. The wrath of God is described in different ways.
I'm so tired of these people who think they are well versed in the scriptures when Matt 24 says the rapture is after the tribulation. The elect ones time will be cut short during the tribulation. Matt 24:29 thru 36. This guest is very much in error of his understanding.
If you believe that you can be prepared enough to meet an unrestrained Devil in that weak, and sinful body you're in, and in this already condemned and rejected world, You're delusional.
I use an outline of Revelation that dispenses with any pre-conceived chronology of the book as a whole, including pre-trib, post-trib, or pre-wrath theories. It is based entirely on the visions of John. THE REVELATION A | 1. INTRODUCTION. B | 2, 3. THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH. C | D | 4, 5. THE FIRST VISION IN HEAVEN. E | 6:1-7:8. THE FIRST VISION ON EARTH. D | 7:9-8:6. THE SECOND VISION IN HEAVEN. E | 8:7-11:14. THE SECOND VISION ON EARTH. D | 11:15-19a THE THIRD VISION IN HEAVEN. E | 11:19b THE THIRD VISION ON EARTH. D | 12:1-12. THE FOURTH VISION IN HEAVEN. E | 12:13 - 13:18. THE FOURTH VISION ON EARTH. D | 14:1-5. THE FIFTH VISION IN HEAVEN. E | 14:6-20. THE FIFTH VISION ON EARTH. D | 15:1-8. THE SIXTH VISION IN HEAVEN. E | 16:1-18:24. THE SIXTH VISION ON EARTH. D | 19:1-16. THE SEVENTH VISION IN HEAVEN. E | 19:17-20:15. THE SEVENTH VISION ON EARTH. B | 21:1-22:5. THE PEOPLE ON THE NEW EARTH. A | 22:6-21. CONCLUSION. --- THE REVELATION A | 1. INTRODUCTION. (The Lord’s day.) B | 2, 3. THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH. C | D | 4, 5. THE FIRST VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Throne, the Book, and the Lamb. The Four Beasts. The Twenty Four Elders.) E | 6:1-7:8. THE FIRST VISION ON EARTH. (The Six Seals and 144,000.) D | 7:9-8:6. THE SECOND VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Great Multitude and the Seventh Seal.) E | 8:7-11:14. THE SECOND VISION ON EARTH. (The Six Trumpets.) D | 11:15-19a THE THIRD VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Seventh Trumpet. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ.) E | 11:19b THE THIRD VISION ON EARTH. (The earthquake, &c.) D | 12:1-12. THE FOURTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (Woman, Child and Dragon. Now is come the kingdom of God, and the power of his Christ.) E | 12:13 - 13:18. THE FOURTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Dragon and the Two Beasts. Here is the patience.) D | 14:1-5. THE FIFTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Lamb on Mt Zion with 144,000, before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders.) E | 14:6-20. THE FIFTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Six Angels. Here is the patience.) D | 15:1-8. THE SIXTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Seven Vial Angels.) E | 16:1-18:24. THE SIXTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Seven Vials.) D | 19:1-16. THE SEVENTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Marriage of the Lamb, &c.) E | 19:17-20:15. THE SEVENTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Final Five Judgments.) B | 21:1-22:5. THE PEOPLE ON THE NEW EARTH. A | 22:6-21. CONCLUSION.
Every scripture quoted at the start was added to or misquoted. (A hideously bad thing to do) Absolutely nobody, anybody, anywhere, what-so-ever believed or taught this teaching until mid 1800's. ( See 2 Tim 4 regarding end time doctrines)
John received the Revelation of Jesus Christ from Jesus himself...John taught his student Polycarp the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture...and Polycarp taught his student Irenaus the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture. Irenaeus went and wrote a book called "Against Heresy" which called out the heresies that had crept into the church...guess what one of those heresies was? The teaching by some that there is no pre-trib rapture. So whoever is telling you this nonsense that the pre-trib rapture is a relatively modern innovation in christianity, doesn't know what they are talking about. The early church believed it AND TAUGHT IT.
2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, These are two separate events. The first part is the literal coming while the second part is uniquely the church 2 Thess 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. This day of Christ is literal,meaning the 70th week of Daniel(also known as the time of Jacob's trouble) 2Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; This literal day shall not come, except there come a "falling away" first. Early English bibles from Tynedale to the 1599 Geneva bible have "departing", not "falling away". Only a literal departing of the church will bring out the man of sin. Tynedale bible 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion Coverdale bible: Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion, The Great bible: Let no man deceaue you by eny meanes, for the Lorde shall not come excepte ther come a departynge fyrst, and that that synfull man be opened, the sonne of perdicyon, Geneva bible: Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,
We needed to tell Israelites what takes place and what takes place because we were call to do so not trying be but just basic. right thanks most high blessed..
Dispensationalism misleads Christians into numerous false teachings such as: 1) Christ offering the Jews a physical kingdom 2) Christ and Paul taught different gospels 3) The pre tribulation rapture.
This generation since Israel became the Fig tree nation in 1948we have within six years left before our Lord Jesus Christ coming back early can stop this evil. Georgie Guide Stones says it all.
Matthew 24 doesn't extend beyond 70 A.D. We are not living in the last time. There is no physical removal of the church from earth. John 17:15 John 17:20-21 The church is the light of the world with the keys to the Kingdom, which is the Gospel. The Christian age has no end. Ephesians 3:20-21 Antichrist was a first century figure. Not in our future. All of Revelation was fulfilled in the first century. Christs' first and second coming was in the first century. Misplaced, biblical eschatology imposed on our day for a fulfillment in our future is conceived from a misunderstaning on the nature of salvation. It's akin to throwing gasoline on a fire in an effort to douse it. We know when Jesus had His second coming: Matthew 10:23; 16:27-28, 26:63-64 We know that the Inspired writer of the book of Hebrews wrote in 10:37 concerning the Parousia (second coming), that it was soon, He would not tarry. Are we to believe that 2000 years and still pending is not a delay, not a tarrying? Are we to believe YOU and your misplaced eschatology teaching OR Jesus? Did Jesus and the NT writers get the timing of His second coming all wrong and that today's teachers have it right? I don't think so. Who would want to contradict Jesus? Who is goofing around? dothefive Soon means soon, even when reading the bible. Soon nowhere means 2000 years and still pending. If you as a Christian believe that soon means 2000 years and still pending, you're are trying to hard to be spiritual. You contradict Jesus and the NT writers.
If your Preterist view of scripture is correct, we'll see that soon enough. However, if the futurist view of scripture (what we see as prophecy) is correct, we'll see that oh so very soon.
@@kenklein9228 The real difference is that the full Preterist view agrees with Jesus concerning when His second coming would be. Matthew 26:63-64. There's no getting around that. It's not in our future. It already happened. So, that means you need to go back up and rethink, reconsider your eschatology. Time to rebuild. It's not easy, I know. I'll give you a clue. It's not an issue of our human tissue, nor is it about better bugs, slugs and mosquitoes. Have you heard the Word? John 3:16 1 Peter 1:9 It's a soul salvation.
Eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building, and getting married convinced me there is a pre-trib rapture. The wicked will be caught off guard (Matt 24:39). Just prior to the second coming is famine, drought, hyperinflation, mark of the beast, violent heat, storms, earthquakes, gigantic meteorites, and the sun goes dark, instead of building and planting, and love will grow cold instead of weddings. At the end, everbody knows what is going and is hiding in a cave (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection for the saints (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52) on the last day, last trump.
JEFF KINLEY, there are some flaws in your thinking. First, you assume that if God keeps us safe from His wrath, that He has to take us to Heaven to keep us safe, but God could just as well keep us safe here on earth, while the unbelievers are right next door, suffering through His full wrath! You also said that it would be “unthinkable” for God to punish us and let us suffer, but you’re assuming & implying that suffering is the same thing as punishment, and it’s not! When Stephen was being stoned to death, he wasn’t being punished by God, but he was indeed suffering for the sale of the Gospel! However, God DID protect him in the midst of his suffering, by giving him supernatural power to endure the pain, and that could be seen when his face began to “shine like the sun” as he was being killed and exiting his body, going up to heaven! You said that God won’t let His people suffer, but He HAS let them suffer, and STILL DOES let them suffer every day, in many places around the world, where they don’t have the freedom and protections that we have here in Western nations, so they often have to risk their lives, in order to attend underground church services and worship Jesus! Throughout history, Christians have been persecuted and killed in horribly painful ways, so what would you say to all of the Christian martyrs, including Jesus’ disciples, who were often brutally beaten, burned alive, eaten by lions, and tortured to death in many unspeakable ways, for the sake of the Gospel? Do you think that only they deserved to suffer, but that the spoiled American Christians deserve to be treated more favorably than that??? Also, I think you’re mistaken about the early church believing in a pre-tribulation rapture, because in Matthew 24:19-29, He describes what a horrible time the Tribulation will be, and He does mention that it will be shortened for the sake of the elect, but He is clearly telling them what to expect during the Tribulation, and then in verse 30, He says He will return, AT THE END of the Tribulation period! Jesus Himself said it! The pre-tribulation rapture theory was not part of Christian doctrine, until the 1830s, until Darby and Scofield spread the pre-trib theology throughout Western Christianity, but usually not in other parts of the world! Corrie Ten Boom described how pre-trib theology was very misleading to Chinese missionaries who were taught by Americans, that God would not let them suffer, so they were not prepared for it, when they DID have to endure great suffering. I hope that you will reconsider the possibility that you might be wrong about this. The danger is that Christians who believe in a pre-tron rapture, won’t be prepared for the important roles that God will have for them, during the Tribulation period. They also won’t be mentally prepared to endure suffering, unless they plan ahead and form communities with other believers.
We have to go through the Trib, and the sun and moon will go dark, there is no 2 raptures one for us a sneaky one then a big one for the Jews, no 2 last trumpets. no scripture says we will not see the man of sin.
I agree with your belief of a pre-tribulation even. In my opinion of the book of revelation and also of the gospel of Jesus Christ there is a scripture that says, "Two were in the field one is taken 1 is left, two were at the mill stone one was taken one was left. so that sites revelation chapter 12 were that the faithful church for the 3 and a 1/2 year period are sparred the tribulation, which draws in Rev. 3 where the faithful church is sparred that "Hour". I don't believe the tribulation is 7 years, and this is the reason why. In Rev. chapter 11 you have 3 accounts in sequence, it is 3 and a 1/2 times, then it is 1260 days or it's 42 months. These are all 3 1/2 years periods. So it goes along with the scriptures that Daniel was given, where the spirit said said to Daniel, that Jesus would be cut off in the middle of the 69th weeks of years in the book of Daniel.
The resurrection is on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, 1 Cor 15:52, Rev 20:4-6). Therefore, 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming at the end of the grreat tribulation. However, Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). Life is normal pre-trib (eating, drinking, etc.), then there is a flash of light and our spirit/soul is taken to heaven just like natural death. Life is not normal (famine, drought, etc.) at the end of the age. Most are hiding in caves (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
Behold I come in the clouds...I am the beginning and the end. The logic of the text is that Jesus is coming back once in the clouds. All references to coming in the clouds is when Jesus gathers and rapture the saints.
Billy asked Jeff why do people get so worked up over this rapture business. I never got worked up over it for the 40+ years I believed in a pre-trib rapture. I figured if you wanted to believe the rapture was mid trib or post trib, then you would just be taken up earlier than you expected. No harm, no foul. However, once I sat down and studied just the bible itself and found there was no such thing as a pre-trib rapture, I became very concerned for my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I fear that many will not be prepared for what is coming, will be confused by what's coming (due in large part to being falsely taught), will feel betrayed by what is coming, and fall away from the faith. There is no verse that ties the rapture to a pre-trib scenario. It is said to be a signless event with no one knowing when it will happen. That makes sense. Since there is no event, there are no signs of it ever happening!
We do not suffer God's wrath god has saved his people from his wrath many times I believe that we can be in the tribulation an in god can make us completely invisible if that's what he chooses to do
I agree. He will prepare each of His children individually. Some Christians He will decide won't see death and will prevent anyone killing them. Others will die enduring for Him unto death. Either way, He is preparing them both. I personally think I'm going to die, but I'm okay with that. To me, death is "absent from the body, present with the Lord." I don't know whether I'll be conscious or not - I'd rather be conscious when I'm with Him, but if I'm asleep until the resurrection, I'm fine with that too.
Is there two second comings.? Are the dead resurrected twice? Will there be two last trumpets? Paul emphasized that "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and ... our gathering together unto Him" can only take place after the "man of sin" (the Antichrist) is revealed, exalting himself above all religious worship in this world. (See 2 Thess. 2:1-12.) Concerning the end of this age, Jesus repeatedly prophesied that He will raise up His people on "the last day" (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54). One of the strongest points to be made concerns Revelation 20:4-5. John revealed that those martyred during the terror reign of the beast (the Antichrist) will be included in "the first resurrection." There is no resurrection before the "first" resurrection, so the dead in Christ cannot be raised up seven years prior. Remember, the resurrection takes place first, then the catching away (see 1 Thess. 4:13-17). Seems like there are a lot of assumptions with a pre-trib belief.
The Last Day Resurrection is AFFFFFFTER the Millennium Age is complete, Revelation 20:5. It's a full resurrection on the Earth. We are part of the HARPAZO, which does have a resurrection, but it's up where the birds fly and the puffy clouds are, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
Bible Theologian and Scholars including Apologetics have agreed and believed the word "ELECT" means "People of God" that composed of Gentiles and Jews who became (Christians) believers in Christ... The Word "CHOSEN" was called only for the People of Israel (the Jews) under the Law of Moses... The Bible mentioned the word "ELECT" 17 times... 4X in the Book of Isaiah (O.T.)... and 13X in various Gospel writers (N.T.)... source: KJV In the Old Testament, only Prophet Isaiah had spoken 4X about the Prophetic (vision of the future) word "ELECT" in Isaiah 42:1/45:4/65:9/65:22... while in the New Testament, the word "ELECT" were discussed and mentioned 13X as the Jews/Gentiles who became believers /followers of Christ Jesus... Matt. 24:24/24:31... Mark 13:22/13:27... Luke18:7... Romans 8:33... Colossian 3:12... 1 Timothy 5:21... Titus 1:1... 1 Peter 1:2/2:6... 2 John 1:1/1:13...
In the context of Mathew ch 24 the word "elect" means only the nation of Israel...why else would it be included in a bunch of other Jewish only references like "the abomination of desolation", "the temple", "the sabbath" , "the rooftops", "the Judean countryside", and "the fig tree" ? In Mathew ch 24 the word "elect" clearly does not mean the church.
@@markanthony3275 Nope. Christ used "Jewish" references because His first disciples were......Jewish. He used examples they'd readily understand. He didn't use Jewish references because He was preaching an earthly kingdom, and in fact, He never said He was.
I believe the Church will face the Great Tribulation or Great Persecution from the Unholy Trinity, but the Church will be taken/raptured before the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) begins/starts... Amen
The Tribulation is "The day of the Lord" ...read the O.T. almost all the prophets talk about the day of the Lord as a day of terrible gloom and destruction...this is what the Thessalonians understood when Paul used the term...they knew he was talking about the Tribulation...but he also talked about another day "The day of Christ" . This was something he had explained to them before as being the rapture before "the day of the lord".
@@markanthony3275 Thank you for your comment... I could sense that you have an above-average I.Q. that It would not be hard for me to explain to you... I will give you an ANALOGY... The English word "APOSTLES" (of Christ Jesus) can also be called "DISCIPLES"... but definitely for sure, the English word "DISCIPLES" can not be the "APOSTLES"... the same analogy... We do not need the I.Q. of Einstein to figure it out and understand and comprehend this matter unless we have a very low or totally poor I.Q. Take note that the Scriptures were not originally written in English, the whole O.T. was written in Hebrew-Aramaic (Ancient Hebrew text), and the N.T. came from Hebrew-Aramaic and Ancient Greek text, not the modern Greek language... In those days Greek Vocabularies was limited compared to this day and they have some variations... The Original Greek word used was "THLIPSIS" meaning to put extreme pressures like squeezing, compressing to the point of breaking or crushing, the expanded definition is "infliction of Hardship." The Latin word used was "TRIBULATIO" meaning miseries, trouble, and distress... which came to the English word from Latin into TRIBULATION... Basically, "by definition," the word TRIBULATION can be applied (or can be called) to either "Wrath of God" (Day of the Lord) and the "Great Persecution" (Great Tribulation) in the general sense/form... but Categorically speaking, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) is not the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) vice-versa... They are both TRIBULATIONS of Mankind, but different from one another in terms of Time of EVENT and WHO is it for... is it a Tribulation for the People of God or a Tribulation for against Gor or perhaps both? The Prophecy of Daniel about the 70th Week or last End- Week composed of 7 days = the "7-year Period of Tribulation." How did the Bible Scholars come up with this period, sorry, I can not explain it to you because it is too long to do... Prophet Daniel also, Prophesy that at the middle of the 7-year Period of Tribulation, which is 3-1/2 years (42 months), the Anti-Christ/Man of Lawlessness/Son of Perdition will be revealed to start the Great Persecution of the God's People (Church) for 3 1/2 years but before this period ends, the persecution will be "CUT-SHORT" (shortened Unknown time mentioned in Matt. 24:22), the 1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ will rise and followed by those who survived the Persecution of the Unholy trinity to SNATCH them AWAY (Rapture) and bring them in the Sky/Cloud to meet Christ... basically, it means to END the sufferings/afflictions of the Church from the hands of the Anti-Christ,... then immediately after that Event happened in the blink of an Eye, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) begins/starts for those People against God. To Summarized, the whole 7-year period is called TRIBULATION, the first 3-1/2 years of Tribulation will be for both Good/God's People and Bad/Evil People on Earth called the "BIRTH PAINS," like extreme Earthquakes, Volcano Eruptions, extreme Natural Catastrophes, Global Pandemics, World Wars, extreme Drought, extreme Hunger/Poverty, etc... In the middle of the 7-year Tribulation, or the 2nd half period, the Anti-Christ will be revealed and the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) begins/starts for Good/God's People only, the vast majority of the Bad People will take the "Mark of the Beast" to exempt from the great persecution of the Unholy Trinity. The vast majority of Good People will choose Martyrdom instead of the Mark of the Beast... then from "unknown time" the persecution of the Good People will be cut short, and the 1st wave of Resurrection of the dead rises and taken up in Sky/Clouds together of those who survived the persecution... after the God People is secured in safety from Christ, the Warth of God begins for the Evil/Bad People left-behind... Therefore, 1st Half of Tribulation for both Good and Evil People,... 2nd half of Tribulation for Good/God's People only... and the Last Part (unknown time) before the Tribulation Ends, the Wrath of God begins for the Bad/Evil People left-behand only until the coming (return) of our Lord, Christ Jesus with the People of God to wage WAT at the Battle of Armageddon. ...Amen.
@@jvlp2046 No , actually the day of the Lord and the great Tribulation are the same thing...according to the apostle Paul in Thessalonians. He used "The day of the Lord" as a synonym for the great tribulation because it's what that church would have understood from their scriptures...which is the Old Testament. We need to realize that they thought the events of Antiochus Epiphanes IV was this Tribulation that Paul had taught them about. So while you may be technically correct...Paul's usage indicates that HE saw the two as the same event. I understand exactly how scholars determined that the seventy weeks meant seventy groups of seven years , and how the sixty ninth week , where the messiah was cut off coincided mathematically to the day with Christ's triumphal entry into Jerusalem where he said " If You, even You had understood what this day meant" (in Luke) which was a reference to the sixty ninth week of Daniel's prophecy. The main problem I see lately is a confusion between God's plan for the church and God's plan for Israel. They often teach that Mathew ch 24 is Jesus talking about the church...but from the context , which is Jesus's jewish disciples asking "Jewish" questions ( when are you going to restore the nation of Israel? ). and Jesus answering with "Jewish only" references like the abomination, the temple, the sabbath, the Judean countryside, the elect and the fig tree , it is very easy to tell that he was definitely NOT talking about the church...he was in fact talking about the "time of Jacob's trouble" which begins in the last three and a half years of the seven year tribulation.The main confusion coming from the word elect which has been used as the church, but in this context , only applies to the nation of Israel. Up to that point , Israel has enjoyed peace and the building of their third temple as part of the peace agreement, negotiated and guaranteed by the antichrist. In Thessalonians it says that God will send a strong delusion on the world's people , so those who rejected Christ in the age of grace will not accept him during the Tribulation...only Gentiles who have never heard the gospel, will be saved...and they will hear that gospel from an angel according to Rev 14:6 ...they will not hear it from the church...because there is no church during the Tribulation.
@@markanthony3275 friend you are mistaken. We see the church throughout the book of rev in the tribulation, example rev12v17. In 1 thess 4-5 Paul compares the day we meet Christ in the clouds as a theif, Jesus compares His 2nd coming as a theif in Matt 24 and even places the Bridegroom coming for His bride at His 2nd coming Matt 25. What's more is the dead must raise 1st, SOUND scripture says the dead cant rise until the heavens pass away which we know takes place at the 2nd coming. Same event. Same day. Jesus comes for ALL who belong to Him on the LAST day.
@@issuesthatmatter2825 Mathew 24 is about Israel, not the church. Just look at all the Jewish only references in Mathew ch 24 . Revelation ch 12 is also about Israel , not the church ( in the O.T. , people of Israel were often called "saints" so this is not a reference to christians b/c of the context of the chapter). Rev ch 12 is part of the three chapters where the major players of the Tribulation are introduced and described.Those players are the antichrist, the false prophet and Israel. And you can tell it's about Israel b/c it describes the same thing Joseph had in his dreams that infuriated his brothers , sun, moon and twelve stars. All of them were the actual start of the nation of Israel , and that's what the sun moon and stars represent in Rev ch 12.
ask yourself what did JESUS the LORD GOD HIMSELF say ....JESUS said " after at the last day last trumpet " daniel said the same thing, paul says the same thing and the book of rev in chapter 14 : 14 - 20......the wrath is poured out the last DAY the tribulation is NOT the wrath
I don’t like getting into debates on the timing of the “RESURRECTION “ JESUS called it the “RESURRECTION “ JOHN Chapter 11 The Death of Lazarus I prefer to read the whole chapter. When you get to Verse 21. There is a discussion going on between Martha and JESUS. Martha said if JESUS had come sooner Lazarus would NOT have died but even though Lazarus had been dead for 4 days that OUR HEAVENLY FATHER would grant what JESUS asked. Martha refers to it as the RESURRECTION. JESUS SAYS HE IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE “LIFE”. JESUS goes on to explain this By saying. “ I am the RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE. The one who BELIEVES in me will LIVE,EVEN THOUGH THEY DIE;and whoever LIVES by BELIEVING in me WILL NEVER DIE. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?” “Yes, Lord.” Remember it’s the Spirit that gives the body LIFE. JOHN CHAPTER 4 JESUS TALKS TO THE SAMARITAN WOMAN When you get to VERSE 21 “Women,” JESUS replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the FATHER neither on this mountain 🏔 nor IN JERUSALEM . ( worth while to chew on these WORDS of JESUS’) You Samaritans worship what you DO NOT KNOW; We worship what WE DO KNOW, for SALVATION IS FROM The Jews. (actually JUDAH as the term Jew is a modern word) )THE LION OF JUDAH THE KINGSHIP WAS TO COME THROUGH JUDAH that would unite the other 10 tribes. JESUS DID THIS ) JESUS GOES ON TO SAY Yet a time is coming and HAS NOW COME when the TRUE WORSHIPERS WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN THE “ SPIRIT “ AND IN TRUTH, FOR THEY ARE THE KIND OF WORSHIPERS THE FATHER SEEKS. GOD IS “SPIRIT “ and HIS WORSHIPERS MUST WORSHIP IN THE “SPIRIT “AND IN “ TRUTH” ( in JESUS) JESUS goes on to tell the woman that he is the MESSIAH. We are the TEMPLE the very Spirit that gives each man’s body life belongs to JESUS and OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. The things of this world have been designed to trap our FLESH and follow its desires . As believers we KNOW we have eternal Life. So let us focus on what has US AS INDIVIDUALS SNARED. DEATH 💀 is a Spiritual force and travels with Hades. 1 JOHN CHAPTER 4 Tells us what FEAR is and how sins Power comes from FEAR. BUT PERFECT LOVE DESTROYS THIS FEAR. JESUS IS THAT PERFECT LOVE WORKING IN MAN THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT. The question we should be asking ourselves, am I ready to FACE THE SPIRIT OF Death 💀? Is more BELIEF IN JESUS’ LOVE FOR ME STRONG ENOUGH? Can I look honestly at myself and realise I cannot take my eyes off JESUS NO MATTER WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND ME. AM I CLINGING TO JESUS WITH EVER FIBER OF MY BEING. I cannot afford to leave his PEACE to indulge the Flesh. Dislike, Pride,Self pity, Anger , we live in a world that readily indulges in these things. Slandering people. We must guard our Fruits of LOVE.
One of the characteristics of God aside from "All-knowing, Most Powerful and Merciful Father, etc... is "God is ORDER"... God created everything, visible and invisible in 6 days and rested on the 7th day... God created them 1 day at a time (evening and morning) in "SEQUENTIAL and PREREQUISITE Order" for God is not CHAOS... What do I mean?, for example, God created ahead of time the plants/trees/grass before the animals,... why?...because if God created the Animals ahead of the plants/trees/grass, where do herbivore animals get their food?... likewise, God created the Sun, the Sky/Clouds, separate the Sea from the Land, etc. ahead of the plants/trees/grass...why?... for the preparation of "Precipitation Cycle."... For "God is Order" and not a God of Confusion/Chaos/Mix-up/Disorder/Mess-up/Disorganize, etc... God gave the vision to Apostle John thru the Angel of God, not in a "jumble/confusing/disorganize/chaos order" of Revelation for mankind. I still could not believe why nobody among mankind can make a "Sequential and Prerequisite Order of Events" for the Revelation of God to Apostle John, which ALL will agree upon and could say 100% AMEN... The Rapture Event and Time Occur Period itself is already so confusing and so debatable among Christians, how much more the Main Events like the 2 Witnesses (2 Olive Trees) of God, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord), the Persecution from the Anti-Chris/Beasts/Satan, Battle of Armageddon, Battle of the Nations, the Woman cloth with the Sun with12 stars on her head, the Woman who rides the beast dress in scarlet red, etc...
Debunking demonic doctrine of pretribulation rapture. Part 1. 1) acts 14 is about Paul going through tribulation, and his affirmation to the churches that they will go through tribulation. And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 14:21-22 KJV 2) 2 Thessalonians 1 is about the church going through tribulation. so that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 KJV 3) notice in acts 14 and 2 Thessalonians 1, the church is not saved by tribulation, but those saved went through tribulation. Hence, this isn't an issue/topic about salvation, rather it shows that the church/ saints/ saved/sealed with the Holy Spirit, underwent tribulation and will continue to undergo tribulation. 4) 2 Thessalonians 2 is about great tribulation. Notice there is no difference between Christians and tribulation saints. Just as Christians were tribulation saints during churches of Paul's time, even so Christians will be great tribulation saints before second coming of Jesus Christ. It's an oxymoron to affirm someone as a tribulation saint who got deceived, fall away, and damned for taking the mark of the beast. Such a person would be called a reprobate, and not a tribulation saint. Note also, that the Holy Spirit did not leave the tribulation saints during churches of Paul's time when they faced tribulation/persecution/martyrdom. Even so, the Holy Spirit will not leave the great tribulation saints when they shall face great tribulation/persecution/martyrdom caused by antichrist. Hence, the restrainor is not the Holy Spirit as falsely assumed by pretribulation rapture adherents. 5) countless will come out of great tribulation. Such will be beheaded/martyred/persecuted for not taking the mark of the beast. So, these great tribulation saints/church/saved/sealed with the Holy Spirit, will be harmed by the antichrist. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Revelation 6:9-11 KJV After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Revelation 7:9-17 KJV 6) Notice Paul uses these words "blessed hope/ caught up (rapture)/ our gathering together unto Him", interchangeably in his epistles to the Thessalonians. Paul also accompany these words with Day of the LORD Jesus Christ/ coming of Jesus Christ. Note, Paul is placing coming of the LORD Jesus Christ first, followed by and our gathering together unto Him. This means Paul is affirming rapture happens after second coming of Lord Jesus Christ, or simultaneously. What is twinkling of eye in terms of time right. Furthermore, Paul is affirming the statement of Lord Jesus Christ in Mathew 24, wherein immediately after great tribulation, LORD Jesus Christ returns, and sends His angels to gather His elect. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7 KJV Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
@@Pre-Tribulation Just so you know, I don't preach that. Scripture tells us that we'll be here on earth during that time, but we'll be kept from the impacts of the judgements as long as we've done what Christ tells us in Rev 3:10. "Because you've kept My word of patient endurance.".
@@kenklein9228 no it doesn't. The AntiChrist is given power to OVERCOME the saints. They aren't protected. They are beheaded, see Revelation 6:9, and Revelation 20:4. The only ones protected are the 144,000. Even the 2 witnesses aren't protected. They are executed... oh. I forgot about the fleeing Jews. God will protect them and feed them like He did during the wandering in the desert. No Gentiles will be protected.
2 Thessalonians 2 clearly lays out the sequence, but it defies human thinking. A literal actual disappearance? Nah, that just does not happen. It's scientifically impossible.
To believe in Pre trib is to say Jesus lied to the Apostles in Matthew 24. They asked about His return and He gave them the outline right up till His return. Jesus tells them of the Christians being rounded up and killed and great hardship they will experience. And then 'after' these times the Lord will return. Only 'one' return, not one in the sky and then another. He will return at the 'last' trumpet. The last trumpet is the 7th trumpet in Revelation. The angles are sent to catch up the righteous (rapture)and THEN the Bowl judgments of His wrath are poured out over those that remain. Jesus answered them with the whole sequence of events.
Did you say to believe in pre-trib is to say Jesus lied to the Apostles in Mathew 24? Well, perhaps you should have listened to his words more carefully! Jesus said himself that the days that lead to his second coming/judgment are going to be days of great tribulation Mathew 24:21,22. This means that it will be impossible for a certain prophecy he made to come to pass. He prophecies saying as the people in the days of Noah were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the very day the Lord shut righteous Lot and his family in the Ark right before his judgment, the people again, will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day he raptures the righteous away before his judgment. This prophecy cannot come to pass in the time of the tribulation it wouldn't be feasible. The tribulation is going to be more horrible than anything the world has ever known. People are going to dying so fast that if those days are not shortened not even the elect will be saved. This means by the time the tribulation had begun this prophecy would have already been fulfilled. Which also tells me that the possibility of a post-tribulation rapture never did exist.
G*1-Thess 4* ^14-15 Coming [parousia] of the Lord with those who died in Christ (=? 1-Cor 15^52 *last* trump) ^16 Resurrection [anastasis] (=? Rev 20^5 *first* resurrection) ^17 *Then* ... Rapture [harpazo*] *harpagésometha = shall be seized *1-Thess 5* ^1-2 =? Day of the Lord [hėmera Kuriou] *2-Thess 2* ^1-2 Coming =? gathering together =? Day of the Lord (Christ) ⏺But as the days of Noah, ... know not until the flood came, ... *Watch* therefore: for ye know not what hour ... *thief* ... Mat 24^37-51 ⏺Behold, I come as a *thief* . Blessed is he that *watcheth* , ... Rev 16^15 (after 6th vial) ⏺Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will *keep thee from* the hour of the trial ... [tėrėso ek = will keep from] Rev 3^10 ⏺I pray *not* that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou *keep them from* the evil. [tėrėsės ek = shouldest keep from] Jn 17^15 ⏺And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 2-Thess 3^5 ⏺That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1-Tim 6^14 ⏺ Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in preace, without spot, and blameless. 2-Pet 3^14 ⏺And everyone having this hope on Him, purifieth himself, even as He is pure. 1-Jn 3^3 ◾ *harpazo* (x12) Mt 13^19 harpazei = seizes Jn 6^15 harpazein = seize Jn 10^12 harpazei = seizes Jn 10^28 harpasei = shall seize Jn 10^29 harpazein = to seize Ac 8^39 harpasen = seized Ac 23^10 harpasai = to seize 2-Cor 12^2 harpagenta = caught (to) 2-Cor 12^4 harpagė = caught (into) *1-Thess 4^17* harpagėsometha = shall be siezed Jude 1^23 harpazontes = seizing Rev 12^5 harpasthė = was seized
It's a post tribulation rapture, not pre trib. You and I will be here for the Great Tribulation unless we die beforehand. Time to get ready, God's way.
Mankind can't get his life ready... The HOLYSPIRIT leads calls one to salvation... So for anyone thinking they can be saved with terms attached truly is playing with fire...
There is a close elationship to the Rapture in Mathew 24 vs 40-42 the realiy is many stages are involved prior Gods Judgment and Jesus Christ,s 2nd Advent with a multitude of Angels with blowing of the Trumpet.And many will not taste death as they will be the First fruits.
Didn't seem like a lot of scriptural backup he has for his teaching,plus there's too much cristal clear evidence in scripture about a post trib appearing of our LORD JESUS CRIST i really wouldn't care about post or pre trib but i just can't stand this hipocrisy , it's a false teaching.
Sadly, too many "Christians" have a low view of scripture, never read their bibles, have never read it through from Genesis to Revelation even once, but somehow, they have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a wife beating, wife hating Groom. The entire Tribulation is the Wrath of the Lamb and The Wrath of God showered down on a God hating, Jesus rejecting world. The WORLD has always killed Christians and they have suffered throughout history for the name of Jesus Christ and for the truth of God, but God nor Jesus shower Christians with their wrath. A careful study of Revelation reveals that the different groups of saints have different duties. Such as the ones in Chapter 5 of Revelation will rule with Christ on Earth, the ones in Chapter 7 serve at the throne of God. The ones in Chapter 5 were ransomed by Jesus and the ones in Chapter 7 had to wash their robes in His blood. It's the minutiae that everyone overlooks. But we pre-trib people will be waving at the rest of you as we all rise to MEET JESUS IN THE AIR!! The 2nd coming HE COMES PHYSICAL AND TOUCHES THE MOUNT OF OLIVES which splits in two!
I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior
In order to be saved, people need to trust(believe) how Christ died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15 v 1-4). Not accepting him into your heart. Read: Ephesians 1 v 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. (God is doing the accepting not man.)
That's good because Jesus is coming back soon.. People that are down and irritable, even believers that is the Lord Jesus Christ getting us ready to get out of here Just keep in prayer.
2 The 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
I find it hilarious when Pre-Tribbers try to wiggle out of this passage 😂. Their entire theory is completely non-sensical and they do not even have one☝️solid verse to stand on!
Another thing to note is the first sign is "Many will fall away from the faith" and the son of perdition is revealed. This translation of the rebellion doesn't clearly gives the context as Pre-Tribbers (I too was one) use this as they Fall Away(Raptured) to heaven... 🤦♂️
The true meaning is not the rebellion but many in the faith will fall away from the faith. There is a deception with the Pre-Trib Rapture false teaching at the core. What's concerning is Paul is talking to the church and not the world. This deception will lead many to fall away because the Do Not love the Truth.
The truth is the word of God... Just like the context in 2Thessolonians 2.
Because they(Church) do not love the Truth God himself sends a strong delusion that they might not be saved....
Not seeking the truth of Gods word means you are open to lies and deception, if not checked it becomes a Salvation issue....
@@Kubs777 Ironically, Luke warns that you don’t want to be Taken and would rather be “Left Behind”.
“There will be two women grinding [at the mill] together; the one (the non-believer) will be taken [away in judgment] and the other (the believer) will be left. [Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.”] And they asked Him, “Where, Lord?” He answered, “Where the corpse is, there the vultures will be gathered.””
~ Luke 17:35-37 AMP
@@JDRusse11 well then let’s hear your view
The Pope is getting pretty darn close, but the Lawless one may come from a Jesuit order. Their in control right now from what it seems
I’m pre-trib but I certainly do not look at mid-trib believers in disgust, and call names and cause a fuss. We can knit pick words, Latin and Hebrew all day long but at the end of the day, Only time will tell. It doesn’t change our Salvation and the Blood He shed for our sins!! We have enough enemies let’s just pray for each other! 🙏❤️🙏❤️
Why do you believe in Pre-Trib?
@@Kubs777 Because that’s what the Bible says! 😊
@@tracyellis5147 - Believe pre-trib if you wish, but please prepare for post-trib. You don't lose anything by preparing for post-trib if you're right. If you're wrong and rapture is post-trib, you'll still be spiritually and physically prepared for what is to come as God had said in the Bible to endure unto the end, even unto death. If not, you and your family might not be able to withstand what's about to come against Christians.
Tracy Ellis Hi. I'm a post-trib believer. It's amazing that you and I can come to a different view on this topic! I read the Bible too. I also look at the Bible and what it says. We shouldn't knit pick words. Also, yes only time will tell, and whatever belief about the rapture (pre, mid or post, has nothing to do with salvation). Those are two different topics.
Truth in the scriptures SHOULD matter and the Bible clearly speaks the truth, which you agree, right?
Let me just ask... WHY do you believe in a pre-trib rapture? I'll share with you why I believe in a post trib rapture.
@@tracyellis5147 Can you share where in the Bible the Rapture happens before Tribulation?
Hi. I believe also that we well be caught up BEFORE God's wrath is poured out on the whole world. I differ with Jeff Kinley as he believes it's before or in some tribulation period of time. From what scriptures I'm reading, the rapture happens on the Last Day, At his coming, At the resurrection, At the Last Trumpet, At his appearing. How I came to this understanding is that the scriptures CLEARLY say that the Dead in Christ shall rise FIRST, and that happens on the Last Day, which is the Day of the Lord.. The Day of the Lord - His wrath is what we are raptured out of, or kept hidden IN. Also, I haven't found ANY scripture that says the Living will rise first.
Ur right so I don’t know what he’s talking about that’s why we read our selves the Bible n we ask Jesus to help us understand what he is saying when we don’t understand it n he will. I know this for sure what ur saying is what I believe in what God has said ur right we the church the believers in Christ who we excepted n confessed by mouth n repented the church is not appointed to his wrath he said it n that he will come for us in Christ to remove us before the the 7 year tribulation Christ won’t touch ground when he comes for his church but when we come back with Jesus he will touch ground he will come back with his saints his army to fight the devil a war that which we won already. The great tribulation is Armageddon which all countries will gather in Megiddo. The center of the world 🌎 is Jerusalem. This is what I’ve read n understand n believe. People don’t understand he was here already but died on the cross n rose on the 3rd day n he said he will come for us 2 coming for his church the believers in Jesus Christ the 3 rd time is it . It’s a return with us n those who were left behind has a chance still if they survived his wrath. But I know that we will not be here to know whose the anti christ r the mark n the 7 year tribulation. That’s explained n the movie left behind follows that .
@@mariamorrison2474 Hi. We WILL be raptured! I believe that too. I'm not sure where you are getting some of your beliefs from. Please share with me where the Bible says that those that call upon Jesus will be saved in some pre-tribulation rapture? Forgive me for asking, but WHERE or WHO are your learning that belief from, Maria? I can share with you the scriptures in the Bible that says the Dead will rise First ( 1 Thess 4:13-18 ), and that the dead rise on the Last Day, At the Resurrection ( John 6:37-44 and 54, as well as John 11:23, 24 ). There are other supporting scriptures, Maria that tell of this clearly.
Maria, if you have a Bible, read these scriptures for yourself. Or, I'm guessing since you responded to my comment, you have the internet. Find a site that you can read certain scriptural references for yourself. If you discover what I said was true, and you still need more, then compare other scriptures with these. Remember, the Dead Rise FIRST, and on the Last Day. That is the foundation, when understanding the rapture.
I used to believe in something else, and some others, until I read the scriptures myself.
God Bless you with understanding.
Michael.
@@mariamorrison2474 , Maria, that is NOT Correct, as that verse speaks of the LAST DAY Battle of ARMAGEDDON, where One will be Taken in DEATH, and One will be LEFT to Live !! It has NOTHING to Do with Any Rapture, as Such Rapture cannot happen until the LAST DAY ( Se my other Comments here )
Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
@@mariamorrison2474 , Maria, read my other Comments here on this page. What you or I believe, does Not Amount to a "Hill of Beans" !! It is what gods Word Declares, that is of Importance !!
2. Jn. 9 declares; ..."He that Transgresseth and Abideth NOT in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, Hath Not GOD".
If you chose to believe the "Pre-Trib" RAPTURE LIE, then You DO NOT ABIDE in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, and You have NOT GOD !! It does Not Depend upon your Belief, But if Your BELIF is ANCHORED in the ROCK, the Word of the Living GOD !!
Isa.8:20, declares it This way; ...."To the LAW and the TESTIMONY, If They Speak NOT According to THIS WORD, It is Because there is NO LIGHT in Them".
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The First Resurrection will occur at the Sounding of the 7th Trumpet before the Bowls of Wrath are poured out.
“The seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying, The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign forever and ever.”
~ Revelation 11:15 CSB
Matthew 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
I can’t be clearer!
So many pastors that teach a pre trib rapture do not teach Matthew 24. Clearly states Jesus only returns AFTER the Tribulation. Beware of these false teachers who teach a pre rapture.
@@ladyb6513 that is Jesus' return. where does it say He returns in the rapture. it will take place in the blink of an eye, most will not be ready for it. the tribulation saints are those left behind, preaching the word, to become the elect that make it thru, that escape the wrath of the Lord. i for one dont want to miss it, i believe it happens before💓💕💞
@@ladyb6513 God bless you! You’re absolutely right, they like to say that Matthew 24 is only for the Jews, that’s totally wrong.
So many pastors just overlook Matthew 24. They pick out different scriptures out of context to try to fit their narrative.
My fear is that people who are pre-tribbers might take the mark, thinking that it couldn't be the mark or the anti-chirst, because the Church is still here.
It is worrying.
if annointed by God's wisdom you'll know the difference, no way God would allow his flock to fall prey to such deception if blessed
@@ustheserfs the reason why post-tribbers believe there's going to be a post-tribulation rapture and why they think that they can endure the tribulation Is that they downplay the severity of the tribulation. If they will only come to realize that the severity of the tribulation is way beyond anything they could ever lmagine then, perhaps they may realize, and come to understand that the beginning of the tribulation is the beginning of the destruction of this world.
what worrying is you believing that you can endure the tribulation in the sinful and weak body you're in with the Devil unrestrained.
no bro you can never be plucked from the fathers hand once your saved you are sealed with the holy spirit. just because there pre trib doesnt mean they can EVER be decieved into taking the mark you make no sense
Jeff Kinley: "I believe the Antichrist will appear on the scene after the rapture..."
The Apostle Paul: " For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God." -- 2 Thes 2:3
The Lord Jesus Christ: "And many false prophets will rise up and deceive many..." -- Matt 24:11
Nuff said. Stay clear of this man.
there will be a huge terrible event that causes the world to see the antichrist as the one who can save us all. what better event than millions of ppl going missing? 💓💕💞
I agree with you it's so sad that many dont study scriptures they misinterpret it according to what they believe pre-trib is Biblical
It’s nice to know that his Trillions of Books📚 will all burn up🔥, but the Word of the Lord will endure forever. (1 Pet 1:25)
,@@JDRusse11 you believe you can endure the tribulation in this already condemned and rejected world, living in that mortal sinful, and weak body you're in with the Devil running loose.
@@garvinsmith4555The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in both you and I, so yes I believe I can endure.
“And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, then He who raised Christ from the dead will also bring your mortal bodies to life through His Spirit who lives in you.”
~ Romans 8:11 HCSB
I'm sad over this false doctrine 🥺 Lord have mercy on us 🙏
Happy Holy-----.There is very much confusion about what the Bible says and what it doesn't. What is the TRUE Gospel?. Ask 100 people and get 100 different answers.Tell them the Truth, 'noone' believes in it. Not liking what is going to happen when the TRUTH become known. Think it's bad now?, wait till then when they know that they were lied to, and 'forget' that they made the decision to follow.
Sadly, too many "Christians" have a low view of scripture, never read their bibles, have never read it through from Genesis to Revelation even once, but somehow, they have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a wife beating, wife hating Groom. The entire Tribulation is the Wrath of the Lamb and The Wrath of God showered down on a God hating, Jesus rejecting world. The WORLD has always killed Christians and they have suffered throughout history for the name of Jesus Christ and for the truth of God, but God nor Jesus shower Christians with their wrath. A careful study of Revelation reveals that the different groups of saints have different duties. Such as the ones in Chapter 5 of Revelation will rule with Christ on Earth, the ones in Chapter 7 serve at the throne of God. The ones in Chapter 5 were ransomed by Jesus and the ones in Chapter 7 had to wash their robes in His blood. It's the minutiae that everyone overlooks. But we pre-trib people will be waving at the rest of you as we all rise to MEET JESUS IN THE AIR!! The 2nd coming HE COMES PHYSICAL AND TOUCHES THE MOUNT OF OLIVES which splits in two!
Things are going to get really bad we are living in the book of Revelations we are at the close of the age.
That’s right. We ARE living in the very last part of what 2tim 3:1-5 talks about. Our time of today. We seen all the signs and so many prophecies have been already filled
Now Jesus could return any day But we STILL have not yet seen the real time of trouble for Christians that the Bible mentions. When tribulation breaks out, then we’ll know suffering We will be enemies of the world and put through a fire of trial and persecution. But then Jesus will intervene and stop the authorities from persecuting us
@@200x-v4k "But then Jesus will intervene and stop the authorities from persecuting us."
Not true! We'll be persecuted mightily. We're told this in Revelation.
There is a difference in the day of God's wrath and the great tribulations!!!! The rapture will definitely happen but not until after tribulations!!!! Idc what people "believe " if it doesn't line up with God's word then it doesn't mean much
EXACTLY....
Guys, there's proof that the tribulation and the Lord's wrath are the same. As post-tribbers you believe that the Rapture will only occur at the second coming of Christ! But what you have failed to take into account is the fact that the days that lead to the second coming of Christ are going to be days of the great tribulation Mathew 24:21,22 which means it will be impossible for the people living in those days to be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage which will have to happen if there's to be a post-tribulation Rapture. Jesus said just as the people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up until the very Day the Lord shut righteous Lot and his family in the Ark the people again will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up until the Day he Rapture the righteous away. The very fact that the people won't be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage during the time of the tribulation proves that the possibility of a post-tribulation Rapture never truly existed. This means there's truly going to be a pre-tribulation Rapture which also means that the beginning of the tribulation is also the beginning of the Day destruction.
And if you think that the people will be able to do those things during the days of tribulation, think again! Because the people won't be able to eat or drink as well as the people did in the days before the flood because of widespread food and drink shortages caused by severe famine and droughts such as the world has ever known. It's going to be a time when the people's number one priority is staying alive, and when marrying and giving in marriage may just be the farthest thing from their minds because of the unprecedented death rate. People will be dying so fast that if those days are shortened not even the elect will be saved.
He does not come before he makes it clear after tribulation he comes back and raptures then judges Satan. Nowhere in bible does God say before
Song Kocourek, the coming judgment of Christ will happen before his second coming! His coming judgment is a single, private event that will not coincide with his second coming, but will occur immediately after the rapture! Jesus said they knew not until the flood came and destroyed them all. Mathew 24:39 Luke 17:27. "THEY KNEW NOT". This means, that they knew not of his coming judgment until the very day, and Jesus said in Luke 17:30 even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is revealed. This suggests that the day is coming when the wrath of God will be revealed from Heaven suddenly, and unexpectedly and the world will not know of that day until it comes. Jesus said as it was in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the day that Noah entered into the ark. That's how the days were like that led to his judgment. But the days that are going to be leading up to his second coming are going to be days of great tribulation, unlike the days that led to the flood/judgment.
The coming judgment is not what's mentioned in Rev 17, but the time of lawlessness. Yes God's jugment is a singular event but the tribulation is not God's judgment but it is the loosing of evil in preparation for the final battle, and Jesus' return, most likely at the end of the 7 year period.
@@booboothaclown5562 I agree with you God's wrath is after tribulation. There is so much confusion and they are teaching people wrong. No live I. The world. Everything Jesus said would happen is has and will!
God's wrath fell on Egypt with the Hebrews in the country, providing a way for the wrath to Passover. We will go through the tribulation,please prepare to endure till the end
Why then does the Bible say that everyone who does not worship the beast or his image will be killed. You understand what the word everyone means ...right? It means everyone, no exceptions.
Amen we are not Israel we are the bride of Christ and he will save us from the wrath of God
AMEN!
40 years in the desert 🌵… They suffered in slavery and they suffered in the dessert. Yet He provided Manna from Heaven…
@@shaneydavy16 such a common misconception. The word Saints are all
throughout the book of Revelation. Saints are believers in Christ. Which makes it clear that The Saints are present during the series of end time judgements and tribulations.
It is impossible to even begin to comprehend the severity of the tribulation. Yet so many of us think that we can by believing we can endure it.
I just listened to another podcast regarding the rapture. It was so good. Pastor James Kidesh had pastor Andy Woods Who have such an in depth study and revelation on the “departure” in scripture. Wow.. it truly confirms this theology belief that we will be caught up BEFORE.. Gods wrath in tribulation.
I watched some videos about Pastors James Kaddis and Andy Woods on a Channel called ACT OF MERCY.
Something is amiss with them.
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@Liberty family are you saying something is off with these two lecturers?? I’m not familiar with them …
What did your Pastor do ?? Caught with pants down … molesting a child .. what ?
@Liberty family shut up … what I asked is SO common …
@@breadoflife2075 Andy Woods is probably the most detailed teacher of God's Word I have ever heard. James Kaddis, drives me a little nuts . . . ruclips.net/video/xvqbG8bPmHY/видео.html
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness-the son of destruction-is revealed. If scripture is plain to everyone who reads it? and it says let no one deceive you about the coming of Christ, then how can you still say that you will be taken before the man of lawlessness is revealed? we must always refer to scriptures before we proclaim anything....If it does not follow scriptures then its simply not true. I only say this to bring attention to scripture, this has nothing to do with salvation but simply a difference of knowledge of the scriptures. what does not help in building of the body is not profitable, let us not get overly caught up in who's right and who's wrong but let us serve God with humility and love for him and one another. Gods grace and peace to all.
Agreed no argument here, the second coming and the rapture are the same event.i believe those that think they'll be taken away to escape the tribulation, will be the ones that fall away when they have to endure the tribulation
Well said PRAISE JESUS CHRIST
just try to endure the tribulation in that weak, and sinful body you're in with the Devil on the loose and you will know what falling away is all about.
the Lord's second coming and the rapture are not the same events as you have been made to believe. But his coming judgment and the rapture are! His coming judgment and the rapture are events that will come seven years before his second coming, and they will happen suddenly, and unexpectedly Just as Jesus said they would! In Mathew 24:39 and Luke 17:27 Jesus said, they knew not until the flood came and destroyed them all. "THEY KNEW NOT"! This means that they knew not of his coming judgment until that very day, and Jesus said in Luke 17:30 even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is revealed. This suggests that the day is coming when the wrath of God will suddenly, and unexpectedly be revealed from heaven, and the world will not know of that day until it comes. This is why his second coming, his coming judgment, and the rapture cannot be the same events. The Lord's second coming alone is going to be a public event!
*1-Thess 4*
^14-15 Coming [parousia] of the Lord with those who died in Christ
^16 (first) Resurrection [anastasis]
^17 *Then* ... Rapture [harpazo*]
*harpagésometha = shall be seized
Just be prepare for Jesus Christ returning soon no need to debate who right or wrong.
Mainly Focus on Jesus christ not men. Going Up and never look down .Amen
nobody is coming
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@@SpeakDaTruth7 get the fk out of here be there
AMEN
My question to the scholars....Where in Mathew 24, does Jesus tell his disciples he's going to come back before the tribulation? Jesus was very clear, at least in my limited understanding, that he will return " after the time of Jacob's Trouble.". If He was coming back prior to, why didn't Jesus say that to His Disciple's?
And then the other question we had to ask the scholars is anybody that tries to predict the end of the world or events will not be able to get in heaven so why are they keep talking about this I’m just saying
Mathew 24 from verse 3 through 31 is for israel not the church proof of that is right in mathew 24 from verse 15 through 20
Jesus isn't talking to the church in those scriptures he is talking to the Jewish people
@@ericneering6357 jesus Paul john all taught about the end of the age you have to actually sit down and read the Bible to see that. And you cant say the Bible isnt accurate because the dead sea scrolls have confirmed the bibles ligetamency now the copies that the satanic roman catholic church controls have been changed but the copies not controlled by the Roman catholic church are accurate
There's 2 parts to his 2nd coming, just like there were 2 parts to his 1st coming after he rose to be with Father, he returned to Earth for 40 Days to be with his disciples.
@@Excalibur2112 yep like book ends
“for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Exactly. Funny how he claimed it was a "plain text reading" that brought him to his conclusions. I have never known of anyone that came to that conclusion (pre-trib) without preconceived ideas.
his " elect" are the Jews who survive the tribulation. The deciples were not asking about the Church here. We the Church are not the elect in this Matt. account Jews are elect here. Jesus was talking to Jews about Jewish questions and about the temple and events in Jerusalem. Please note: Jesus was talking about Jewish stuff in all of Matt chapters 23,24,25 so the Church is not the topic of discussion here. This makes perfect sense given that the rapture and the Church were mysteries that were revealed by Paul long after Jesus died. This time frame in Matt, cannot be talking about a topic that has not yet been in historical events in time. Please check for yourself and don't just take my word for it. Rapture in Matt, 23,24,25 completely debunked on this point alone. Nothing pre-conceived here at all just plain scripture and historical timing of scripture. Again this is not a salvation issue but honest clear interpretation of timing of events.
Isn't the coming of the son of man in Mathew 24:38,39 and the coming of the son of man in Mathew 24:27 inconsistent with each other? It seems so to me! For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the Ark, "AND KNEW NOT" until the flood came and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:38,39. For as the lightning cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West, so shall also the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27.
Didn't Jesus say they knew not until the flood came and took them all away and so shall also the coming of the son of man be? His coming here seems sudden and unexpected to me! It seems to me that, that coming was in secret unlike his coming in Mathew 24:27 where his coming will be like the lightning flashing from the East to the West when he'll be coming in the clouds of heaven with Power and great Glory. This sounds very public to me. It even seems to me that the lifestyle of the people who are going to be living in the days before his second coming is going to be different from the lifestyle of the people that were living in the days that were before the flood as well. Meaning, having a lifestyle of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, and living life in a time of great tribulation Mathew 24:21,22. Sounds very different to me!
@@garvinsmith4555 What?
Well, the one thing I thought everyone could agree was that the church WOULD see the revelealing/ rise of the antichirst as it is written in 2 Thessalonians 2 :3 “ Don’t let anyone deceive you in anyway for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed” . I guess all the different perspectives rely on what is the great tribulation and/ or the wrath of God and when it starts.
You must understand the context of the writing to understand what is being said. Paul is writing to a church suffering from tremendous persecution, which he mentions in 1st Thess. They all think that they have missed the rapture because of the level of persecution. So Paul reassures them that if they had missed the rapture, they would be seeing the revelation of the antichrist, the fake miracles, the total corruption of what is called "the church" ( Catholics, Anglicans, United etc.) and the mass delusion...but none of them have seen these things so they haven't missed the rapture. Notice a key difference here between "the day of the Lord" and "the day of Christ". The day of the Lord is the O.T. version of the Tribulation...this is how THEY understood it. The "day of Christ" is the day of the rapture, when Christ gathers all believers alive and dead to himself in the air that's what Paul was "reminding "them of , because he had already explained the rapture to them before.
There is a difference between the Rapture and Jesus' Second Coming- The Gloriously Appearing.
Jesus well not come back- Down on Earth (to rule , set up His kingdom) until after the anti- Christ- man of lawlessness appears.
@@serendipity3218 I've been considering this text:
Titus 2:11-13 NKJV - "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly *in the present age,*
*looking FOR the blessed hope* and *GLORIOUS APPEARING of* our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"
As we live righteously, *in this present age (NOW),* we ought to be *LOOKING FOR the blessed hope.*
It describes THAT *blessed hope* as *the GLORIOUS APPEARING of Jesus Christ.*
1Peter 5:4 KJV - "And when the chief Shepherd *shall appear,* ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away."
1John 3:2 KJV - "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, *when he shall appear,* WE *shall be like him;* for we shall see him as he is.
1John 2:28 KJV - "And now, little children, abide in him; that, *when he shall appear,* we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him *AT HIS COMING."*
*When he shall appear,* & we be before Him, is *AT HIS COMING.*
Colossians 3:4 KJV - "When Christ, who is our life, *shall appear,* THEN shall ye also appear with him *in glory."*
Matthew 16:27 KJV - "For the Son of man shall come in the GLORY of his Father with his angels;* and THEN *HE shall reward every man according to his works."*
Mark 8:38 KJV - "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, WHEN *HE COMETH in the GLORY of his Father WITH the holy angels."*
Luke 9:26 KJV - "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, WHEN *he shall COME in his own GLORY, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels."*
Matt. 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-27; Rev. 6:12-17 describe what happens concerning His COMING & APPEARING.
YAH be with you.
How ironic it is that the vast majority of professing Christians believe they’ll escape great tribulation through a pre tribulation rapture when it’s going to take great tribulation-a time of great testing of their faith to bring them back to God from all the false doctrines they’ve been poisoned and deluded with.
So do you think that the groom is going to drag his bride thru the coals so they can prove worthy of their free gift of salvation ? Really ? And where exactly did you read this ? Blessings to you bro
If you are truly saved it makes no difference which doctrine you believe. If you tell a person they will lose their salvation over their belief over the timing of the Rapture, then you are not demonstrating the love of Jesus. In fact you might be considered wicked. If you are truly born again....not mentally ascended then you are going in the rapture. Also, there is a huge difference between tribulation and Great tribulation. The last three years is what you appear to be referencing as my escape from. The Rapture timing is better left for those who rightly divide to discuss as an extra curricular study amongst fellow believers. See you in Glory, friend.
Sadly, too many "Christians" have a low view of scripture, never read their bibles, have never read it through from Genesis to Revelation even once, but somehow, they have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a wife beating, wife hating Groom. The entire Tribulation is the Wrath of the Lamb and The Wrath of God showered down on a God hating, Jesus rejecting world. The WORLD has always killed Christians and they have suffered throughout history for the name of Jesus Christ and for the truth of God, but God nor Jesus shower Christians with their wrath. A careful study of Revelation reveals that the different groups of saints have different duties. Such as the ones in Chapter 5 of Revelation will rule with Christ on Earth, the ones in Chapter 7 serve at the throne of God. The ones in Chapter 5 were ransomed by Jesus and the ones in Chapter 7 had to wash their robes in His blood. It's the minutiae that everyone overlooks. But we pre-trib people will be waving at the rest of you as we all rise to MEET JESUS IN THE AIR!! The 2nd coming HE COMES PHYSICAL AND TOUCHES THE MOUNT OF OLIVES which splits in two!
Sadly there are false doctrines that lead many Christians to fall away, something Christ warns about in Matthew 24, as well as other places.
@@kenklein9228 I'm not exactly sure what false doctrine you are referring to, but the rapture is a word from the Lord. I Thessalonians 4:13-18. If it is the timing of the rapture, than to each his own and we'll all find out soon enough.
Thank you for this interview ❤️🙏🏻✨
if rapture includes all christians (even carnal ones, the same level as that of the Corinthians that you discussed), then who will be left to refuse the mark of the beast after the rapture?
Simple answer, Jesus comes for all who belong to Him after the tribulation. Rev12v17 is the church
The ones who understand why they did not go with others in the Rapture and converts to Christianity and GOD // The Marters are those who the godless anti-christ catches and cuts their head off .... But there are those who escape and are here when GOD returns ..
@@lindasabousky3815 Sister you are mistaken... Pre trib is a false teaching that goes directly against the gospel, God says such people are cursed and we should not listen to them Gal 1 8-9
The sacrifice of Christ benefits all truly repentant sinners who have sincere faith and trust in Christ, but this benefit is conferred as God automatically baptizes all true believers in the Holy Spirit, which places them "into" the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:13) and that "Body" is the Church (Eph.1:22,23), with the result that all believers are "IN Christ" (2Cor.5:17). Being "in Christ" is the place of justification (Gal.2:17), redemption and forgiveness of sins (Eph.1:7). What's more, Paul teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ, has died to the requirements and condemnation of the OT law (Rom. 7:4,6) and thus, anyone who is not in the body of Christ remains condemned by the law (Rom.2:12 ; Gal.3:10-11 ; Jas.2:10). There is no other place, than in Christ's body, for those spiritual transactions in the NT. It will only be people "in Christ" (and in his body), who have been crucified with him, who have died and been burried with him, and are made alive with him (read Rom.6:1-10). For anyone to be saved, God places Jews or Gentiles "in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross" (Eph.2:16)... and that one body of reconciliation is the Church (Eph.1:22-23). There will never be any other way to justification, reconciliation to God, redemption, resurrection and eternal life, than by being "IN Christ," which is in his body the Church ...and anything else is another way of salvation (and really, another gospel) than is found in the Bible. It would take some major explaining to tell how a person could be "in Christ" but not in his body (the Church). If the tribulation saints are not in Christ's body, then how are they saved? Consider especially verses like Romans 12:5, which says, "so in Christ we who are many form one body." Paul says explicitly there that being "in" Christ means being in his "body", and he uses those two ideas as being inseparable. Biblical Christianity can never advance any other way of justification and redemption, other than being "IN Christ."
So, the pre-trib notion of a group of "tribulation saints" who are saved and redeemed during the tribulation, but yet are not part of the body of Christ (the Church), is actually a contradiction in terms, which rests on very shabby theology that undermines the biblical doctrine of salvation. The true situation during the tribulation will be: there will be Spirit-baptized saints who are "washed ...in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev.7:14), so, they are blood-bought and justified saints; they will be born-again Christians "who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev.12:17), and who "remain faithful to Jesus" (Rev.14:12).
And very crucial for this discussion: note those saints who "die IN the Lord" during the Great Tribulation (see Rev.14:12-13 with 6:9-11) ...remembering from our previous discussion, that being "in the Lord," or "in Christ," is precisely the NT description of a believer who is part of the Church, the body of Christ!
Thus, there is no possible way that these tribulation "saints" can not part of the Church. They must be.
The corporate body of Christ first came into being when believers were first baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5 & 2:1-4). Since then, every true believer is automatically placed into the body of Christ by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12:13), so that all believers are "in Christ" (and this must since the Acts 2 day of Pentecost include all Old Testament saints, as well as tribulation saints). Redemptive union with Christ, in his body (the Church), has always been God's plan for all believers of all ages. Paul says that Jesus is the Savior of "his body" (Eph.5:23), and it would take some major explaining to show that he is the Savior of anybody else. Anybody who is not part of the body of Christ, therefore, will not be saved. Jew or Gentile, there is no other provision in all of eternity for the salvation of sinners other than by being in the body of Christ. So, unavoidably, since there are saved people on earth during the tribulation, the body of Christ, the Church, must be present on earth at that time.
Since the "Church" is clearly on earth during the Tribulation, there is no reason to say that the Church is evacuated just before the Tribulation begins.
Obviously, those who "die in the Lord" during the tribulation will be part of Christ's body, the Church, and they too (like all who are in Christ) will rise at the first resurrection and be raptured (1 Thess.4:16-18). Thus, the rapture must follow the tribulation, during which those tribulation saints "die IN the Lord."
@@lindasabousky3815 was Jesus lying when He stated He would come for ALL on the last day, and raise ALL on the last day? of course not. I will trust the word of God not a 1832 latter day teaching of pre trib. Scripture does not contradict scripture, only false teachings do... i was once fooled by satans pre trib trap as well until i really studied and found truth.
John 6:39
English translation
And this is the will of the Father who sent me, that everyone who He gave me - I shall lose none of him, but rather, I shall raise him on the last day.
Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550)
τοῦτο δέ ἐστιν τὸ θέλημα τοῦ πέμψαντός με πατρός, ἵνα πᾶν ὃ δέδωκέν μοι μὴ ἀπολέσω ἐξ αὐτοῦ ἀλλὰ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸ ἐν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ
John 6:40
English Translation
And this is the will of Him who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him has eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day.
Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550)
τοῦτο δὲ ἐστιν τὸ θέλημα τοῦ πέμψαντος με, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ θεωρῶν τὸν υἱὸν καὶ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν ἐγὼ τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ
John 6:44
English Translation
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I shall raise him on the last day.
Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550)
οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐλθεῖν πρός με ἐὰν μὴ ὁ πατὴρ ὁ πέμψας με ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν καὶ ἐγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ
John 6:54
English Translation
He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day.
Textus Receptus (Estienne, 1550)
τρώγων μου τὴν σάρκα καὶ πίνων μου τὸ αἷμα ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ ἐγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ
@@issuesthatmatter2825 It appears that many interpret the gospels diff and GOD told us all would be explained when we got to Heaven...... I believe what I read and hear are true and others - there way ... I have Bible verses underlined and feel I am right and you feel you are right... That is OK -- GOD will explain the actual truth and way when we arrive in front of HIM.....
If there's going to be people saved during the tribulation period, tell me how or when will they be raptured away? Where is it mentioned in the Bible?
As to the Question; "WILL THE CHURCH GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION," The Biblical ANSWER is; ......YES , We WILL !!!
Jesus made it Clear, in Mt.24:14, that "WE the CHURCH, WILL be the Preachers of "This Gospel of the Kingdom as a Witness to all Nations, then shall the END COME".
In the Last Four "letters to the Churches", we discover that THYATIRA, SARDIS, PHILADELPHIA, and LAODICEA, are "Prophetic" END-TIME Churches, of the "CHURCH-AGE", of which the first Three, THYATIRA, SARDIS, and PHILADELPHIA, have TWO Different GROUPS of SAINTS in Them !!
The FIRST Group, that of the FIRSTFRUITS !! ( generally represents the Tithe , or 10% of the Total )
The SECOND GROUP, that of the "General Assembly". ( and represents the larger 90% of the Congregation )
Now notice; The Firstfruits of THYATIRA, SARDIS, and PHILADELPHIA, are All promised an "Escape" !!! For THYATIRA,
( Rev.2:24-25 ) For SARDIS, ( Rev.3:4 ) For PHILADELPHIA, (Rev.3:10-11 )
However, also Notice; that the "Hour of Temptation" spoken of in Rev.3:10, to the Church of PHILADELPHIA, Clearly Refers to
the coming Future TRIBULATION !!
Yet in verse12, Christ is STILL Addressing the Church of PHILADELPHIA , and in particular, this Second Group of SAINTS, the 90% part, of the "General Assembly" !! And They are Told to be the "OVERCOMERS" that will be doing the PREACHING of "This GOSPEL Of The KINGDOM, As a WITNESS To ALL NATIONS", ( to possibly a World Population of about "four BILLION" people, or about Half of what it is Now ) as Discussed by JESUS in Mt.24:14 !!
These are the Same "OVERCOMERS", of possibly more than "ONE HUNDRED MILLION Christians" , that are referred to in Rev.15:2, that will "HAVE VICTORY", Over the "BEAST," His "IMAGE", His "MARK", and the "NUMBER of His NAME". ( The
UPC BAR-Code ) that is today used on every Item sold Commercially, that will be Part of the ROTHSCHILDS WORLD Banking Controlled CENTRAL BANK System, of which ANYONE who wants to REMAIN in Their Banking System, will be required to
take the "Micro-Chip" implant, ( the MARK of the BEAST ) to keep a Bank account.
Yet GOD has Provided a "WAY OUT", for Christians, and Non-Christians Alike, ( those who will be part of the SHEEP NATIONS, that will re-Populate the EARTH, After ARMAGDDON, Mt.25 ) ......Who will HEED Our Warning, and "Get Out" of the Current ROTHSCHILDS "CENTRAL BANK" Controlled, WORLD BANKING System, and Into "CRYPTO CURRENCY", such as "BITCOIN", and Thereby "escape" The coming "JEWISH" BANKING CRACKDOWN, that will Emerge under the Coming JEWISH ANTICHRIST, That Tens of thousands of "pastors" Are "Covering-up", in their weekly Pulpit Sermons !!!
So I Appeal to every Bible believer, to examine the scriptures, ad NOT Listen to Such MASONIC HERETICS, as JOHN Mac ARTHUR, or JOHN HAGEE, or JOHN ANKERBERG , or ANY OTHER Such Deluded and Deceived HERETIC, that preaches This un-believable FALSE GOSPEL of a "PRE-TRIB" RAPTURE, And thereby DENYING The TRUTH of the Scriptures, As I Present in this my Comment !!
And to Understand, that THIS is What Gods Prophets such as Daniel, were Warning about, when in Dan.12:7, the prophet Daniel declared, that; ...."God Would SCATTER The POWER of the ( Un-Holy ) HOLY PEOPLE". ( The ROTHSCHILDS WORLD BANKING EMPIRE ) From which the ROTHSCHILD and UNITED NATIONS, Appointee, the JEWISH ANTICHRIST Will Emerge, together with the Jewish /Lebanese FALSE PROPHET, ( BENNY HINN )
Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
It amazes me that learned theologians do not have the understanding to see that Matthew 24 is about Jesus talking to HIS people the jews. The church did not even exist at this time , except in God's mind, therefore the concept of the church was still a mystery to men. He quotes scripture from Daniel and we know that in reading these verses that the angel refers to Daniel's people. Who are Daniel's people - the Jews, the nation of Israel. It is so hard to understand that "he who is in Judea" should flee to the mountains ( of Judea) is referring to the people of the nation of Israel at that time. ( not christians and not the church). The words speak for themselves. This is so fundamental, that once this is understood the rest will make sense. The Word must be divided rightly. The end of days evangelism will be carried out by the Two Witnesses, the 144.000 jewish male virgins and the angel who will go through out the earth preaching the everlasting gospel, to them that dwell on the earth, to every nation, kindred, tongue and people. This is about Israel, and is Israels time to evegalise the world and to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord and say "blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord". The chuch has no place being here at this time. The church's time has finished, they were to preach the gospel of Grace and now that time is coming to a close, and Israels' time is beginning once again and this time the whole of the remnant of Israel will be saved.
@@gregnewberry1147 “saints” “church” was used but we weren’t known at the time.
Unbiblical theologian is more like it. We will be preaching the gospel to the world during the Tribulation??? How come the Bible says in revelation 14:6 that an angel is preaching the gospel and not the church? I would address the other heresies you mentioned but it's a waste of time because your problem is spiritual darkness...you are not a believer in the person and work of Jesus Christ.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
- Isaiah 5:20
notice that JESUS HIMSELF said " no one will know the day or the hour " HE did not say the month or the year
Exactly. Christ spends a great deal of time in the Olivet Discourse telling us what to expect in the years before His appearing; birth pangs first (which include a falling away), then the GT, which is not long on the horizon. We'll be here for the Great Tribulation unless we die first. Time to get ready, God's way.
The Pre-Tribulation doctrine appeals to the flesh; it sells books and movies, and fills pews, which gives it life. Jesus promised every follower tribulation, and that we would be treated by the world just as He was treated (no servant is above his master). He also said, you should count the cost to follow Him. It costs the daily death to "self", and sometimes the death of our bodies. That should come as no shock if you study the Scriptures and history of the Saints' martyrdoms for the Gospel .
The resurrection is on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, 1 Cor 15:52, Rev 20:4-6).
Therefore 1 Thes 4 is the second coming at the end of the grreat tribulation.
Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37).
Life is normal (eating, drinking, etc.), then there is a flash of light and our spirit/soul is taken to heaven just like natural death.
Life is not normal (famine, drought, etc.) at the end of the age. Most are hiding in caves (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
@@onetakendotnet Do you have a Scripture passage for a spirit rapture and leaving bodies of the Saints behind? This is not part of the preTrib Rapture doctrine.
The Luke passages are parallel verses to Matthew 24. They are referencing the desolation of the Temple, City and House of Israel by Messiah, as happened in 70 AD.
The first to be taken on the Day of the Lord (aka the Harvest), will be the wicked, the ones left will be the righteous.
Matthew 13:30,38-39,41-43 KJV
*Let both grow together until the harvest:* and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, *Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:*
_but gather the wheat into my barn._
[38] The field is the world; _the good seed are the children of the kingdom;_ *but the tares are the children of the wicked one ;*
[39] ... *the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.*
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and *they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;*
[42] *And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:* there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
[43] *Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.*
_Who hath ears to hear, let him hear._
Notice that God destroyed the wicked on *THE SAME DAY* He rescued Noah and Lot, not years apart. He'll do it the same way on the day He comes.
Luke 17:27,29 KJV
_They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until_ *the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.*
[29] _But_ *the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.*
I cant explain how simply easy you guys explained plan facts
Hebrews 12:2 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God
QUESTION?... If God really had set up a fixed 7-year of Great Tribulation (Great Persecution of the Anti-Christ), then, where can you locate (pinpoint) from the fixed 7-year period, Matt 24:22 which says, "except/unless those days (tribulation days) had been shortened (cut short in length/duration), there should be no flesh be saved, but for the sake of the elect." (paraphrase)???
Is the fixed 7-year duration had been already shortened (cut short)?... Is the Great Tribulation based on 10 or 12 years duration before it was cut into 7 years only? Please, enlighten me...thanks,
NO -- when GOD feels it is enough -- Then the War of Armageddon starts and GOD kills many sinners but saves the converted Christians ... At least this is what I understand
You're overthinking, it just means the tribulation is only 7 years of 360 days the Jewish calendar is 360 days. The world could not survive that kind of supernatural activity for more than God has decreed. Everything is about the Jews and the Tribulation is their final 7 years that God established for them. Go back to Daniel Chapter 12. You have to study Daniel and Revelation together.
@@rebeccarussell3091 Sorry, with due respect, I am not getting any LOGICAL and REASONABLE answer to all of this... Why will God establish 7 years of Tribulation for the Jews as you claimed that comes from the Book of Daniel, if God knew no one will survive for 7 years, that is why in Matthew Gospel, God will cut it short or be shortened the Time Duration for the sake of the ELECT (People of God)...
The Book of Revelation and Matthew's Gospel never mentioned nor specified the 7 years Tribulation Period... but mentioned 3-1/2 years (1260 days) the Anti-Christ and the beast will reign... and 3-1/2 years (1260) also the 2 Witnesses of God will preach before they are defeated/killed by the Beast/anti-Christ who ruled for 3-1/2 years also... Is this 7-year Tribulation just an ASSUMPTION or a FACT???... Does this mean that at the end of the 3-1/2 years (1260 days) of the 2 Witnesses of God, they will be killed by the Beast/Anti-Christ that starts the Apostasy/Son of Perdition is revealed and the start of the reign of the Beast and Anit-Christ for 3-1/2 years (1260 days) for the total of 7 years Tribulation Period?
Now, where is the SHORTENED PERIOD that will occur that was mentioned in Matthew's gospel 24:22 in the 7 years Tribulation time duration based in the Book of Daniel???
@@jvlp2046 What is meant by "shortened period" is that the sin of man deserves a much longer punishment, but God is the time master and He has deemed 7 years for the Wrath of the Lamb and the Wrath of God, which begins in Chapter 6 of Revelation with the opening of the first seal.
Here is an in-depth study of the rapture and all the views. ruclips.net/video/xvqbG8bPmHY/видео.html
My biggest question for a post-trib believer is “how can Jesus coming be ‘like a thief in the night’ and a surprise to us all if it happens after a specifically timed period of great tribulation”
He comes as a surprise only a thief to those of the world. He will come also as a thief to Christians who're are still in love with the world - that's what Christ warns about.
Rev 20 says the first resurrection consists of those killed by the Beast. Hmmm. So how is there a pretrib ratpure/resurrection?
Because we who are ALIVE AND REMAIN are caught up, not RESURRECTED. Alive are changed...
@@CowboysFan777 Remember Paul said the dead in Christ rise first, then we who are alive and remain get caught. So that would have to be the resurrection of the church, right? The we are all caught up. But Rev. 20 says the first resurrection consists of those killed by the Beast. Hmmm. So where is the pretrib rapture in that?
@@Mike65809 A full resurrection is where 100% dead are raised. None are "alive and remain". The saints in Revelation 20:4 LIVED, or a full resurrection. 100% DEAD come alive at once. The harpazo has 2000 years of fallen brothers and sisters in Christ, such as my grandparents, come WITH Jesus in the clouds. They get a resurrection because they sleep in Jesus. But we who are alive and remain shall be CHANGED!!!! we don't get a resurrection, because we aren't dead. We don't sleep in Jesus
@@CowboysFan777 Well you assume there are none that are alive and remain. I would conclude, since it is the "first" resurrection, it is the same one Paul referred to in 1 Thess. 4, and in many other places where the resurrection is mentioned. Look at 1 Cor. 15 that mentions the resurrection, but makes it clear we will not all sleep, but will all be changed. Even those alive (and remain) will receive a resurrected body, which is why he says we will all be changed. Amen?
@@Mike65809 ok look... im done. You get a bad theory, your brain stops functioning. You still want to argue about resurrections. Bye
Interesting. When I read easiest reading, I don't get pre-trib. Even though I've heard books, sermons, and movies that make sense, when I actually read the Bible without these other lenses, the easiest reading seems it would be "soon." "In this generation." Etc. Also, I struggle with the easiest reading in Daniel. It takes a lot of jumping IMO to get to a pause in the 70 week prophecy when the 69 is so clear. Another "easiest" reading issue I have is whrre he keeps sayimg this verse or that is clear...if it was so clear then why the other views? Like Revelation 4. If you aren't looking for a raptured church, and are just reading along, I don't think that's what you see in that chapter. I get how they see it, but i dont think it's the easoest reading. I think you have to put your lens on to get there. Again IMO. I know there are holes in those other views, but I cannot get past the easiest reading NOT lending itself toward this view.
The easiest reading deceives. Deep reading tells us it isnt soon. Exodus 32:1 make this clear as do many other verses. In fact it gets better than that. The Bible actually tells us not only will it be a "long time" before Jesus returns but that it will be 2000 years.
Correct. The easiest reading is when Christ is speaking directly to you and I in the Olivet Discourse, not unbelieving Jews. Dispensationalism causes Christians to ignore Christ's clear words, putting them at extreme risk for ending up like the foolish virgins in Matthew 25.
In this generation seems to mean the generation that witnesses the signs he is talking about, not the generation standing around him at the time. Daniel was a sealed book. It is likely that all theories so far are wrong and only new theories or theories at the end times will be correct because the Spirit unseals them for the believers in the end times. One theory is revelation 4-11 and revelation 12-15:5 are the same vision. And the 7 church letters correspond to the 7 seals and they are instructions for the end times, specifically each church letter is instructions for each time a seal is broken open. The 6th seal is the rapture of the church and the 144,000 are saved and taken up first fulfilling the last saved are the fist into heaven. See Nelson Walters on youtube. He lays it out and it is now the simplest most straight forward theory I have seen yet. All that being said prepare for the worst
Pure trib rapture is not biblically sound. Search the Bible and your heart and you will see the truth. God bless.
Eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building, and getting married convinced me there is a pre-trib rapture. The wicked will be caught off guard (Matt 24:39). Just prior to the second coming is famine, drought, hyperinflation, mark of the beast, violent heat, storms, earthquakes, gigantic meteorites, and the sun goes dark, instead of building and planting, and love will grow cold instead of weddings. At the end, everbody knows what is going and is hiding in a cave (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37).
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection for the saints (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52) on the last day, last trump.
Minute 15:57, did anyone hear that tapping “da da da dah da… da da”? The moment he says “peace and safety”? Was that a sign of some sort? That tapping sound came from a song called “shave and a haircut, 2 bits”. It is said it was used in Morris code to get someone’s attention. What attention are we asked to be given right at this moment?
Jeff Kinley....🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️Scripture clearly says 2 things must happen before The Rapture:
1.Many will fall away from the faith
2. The Son of Perdition (AntiChrist) is revealed.
Some people read scripture, but lack guidance of the Holy Spirit who leads you in all Truth🤦♂️🤷♂️
"always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"
II Timothy 3:7 NKJV
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables".
II Timothy 4:3-4 NKJV
Thank you for this great explanation!! And I’ll say, we can only understand the word of God through the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 2:14
What we see is too many people trying to interpret the word by their own human understanding. But that’s not how we interpret the word, only through the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 2:13 and Who is our Teacher and guides us into all truth John 14:26 we in our natural mind cannot understand the things of God.
Thanks again for this excellent video on these important biblical events!!
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
Sandra, What these "Pseudo Scholars" present here in this Above Video, is PURE Heresy, and Not at all Biblical !!
Read your own KJV Bible, on 1.Thess,4:15-17, and ask yourself if; ... "We that are Alive and REMAIN" are said to "Not PRECEDE those that are Asleep in Jesus" ( the "DEAD In CHRIST" that "RISE FIRST" of verse 16 ) And that verse 16 declares that these "DEAD In CHRIST RISE FIRST", which if your BRAIN is Working, will tell you that the Tribulation MARTYRS "Must Be" part of These DEAD In "CHRIST That RISE FIRST", .....And Rev.20:4 Tells you that these MARTYRS are NOT Resurrected to LIFE , until the LAST DAY of the TRIBULATION !!
Then Obviously these TWO BOZO's on this Video above here, Are LYING Through their TEETH !! Especially when you consider the Next, and 17th Verse, which declares that; ...."We that are LIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT-UP,"
( that means "RAPTURED ) "Together with THEM" !! ( that means, "at that SAME TIME", Together with these "DEAD IN CHRIST that RISE FIRST", which Must include the MARTYRS of the TRIBULATION Period.
Sandra, even a "Fifth Grader", that reads His or Her Bible, and Not having been "Indoctrinated" by "SPIRITUAL CEMETERIES" called SEMINARIES, can UNDERSTAND This TRUTH !!
Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )
Just curious, what is the first resurrection in revelation 20
Job 14
12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
John 6
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
1 Corinthians 15: 51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Dan. 12
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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@Last Day Saint James so according to the Bible. The rapture happens After the tribulation. Why do most people believe this Not to be the case?
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THAT IS THE QUESTION OF THE MILLENNIUM.
DENIAL
DECEPTION
DELUSION
LACK OF KNOWLEDGE
LAZINESS
NO LOVE FOR THE TRUTH
DOUBT
UNBELIEF
REJECTING THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH
antichrist IN THEIR TEMPLE INSTEAD OF GOD
EDIT:
FEAR
I believe in the catching away of the Body of Jesus Christ.
I'm with you. It happens immediately after the Great Tribulation just before God pours out His wrath (the bowls).
The elect were told they would face tribulation in the world, just not God’s wrath. The tribulation is the wrath of antichrist and satan, not God, I believe that sometime after the midpoint of the 70th week, when antichrist is revealed, is when we will be raptured. Paul did explain that in 2nd Thessalonians 2.
No, the church of Christ is first raptured. Then next, mass chaos ensues & the antichrist THEN steps onto the world stage as "the man with the plan" to bring order, safety, etc.
@@michelleduncan9965 We will have to respectfully agree to disagree.☺️
Christians will endure persecution, not a rapture, and here is the proof:
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
Revelation 7:9-14 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/rev.7.9-14.KJV
@@michelleduncan9965 Amen!
Revelation 6 speaks about the 6th seal, when God's wrath is poured out. Part of the Tribulation is most definitely His wrath.
Jeff Kinley - Good & true word.....pre-trib/mid trib & post trib.....which one is correct???.....they all are, 1st the Church goes (pre)....Then The the 144000 go (mid) then the two witnesses go (Post). Keep in Love, Keep the Faith.
Jesus is coming back in the clouds after the Great Tribulation caused by the beast. After that Gods wrath will occur. So the great tribulation and the wrath are two totally different things.
In the Book of Revelation 6:11, the Angel of God told John that God asks to wait for a while until the "Full number of Martyrs are completed"... Logically speaking if the Church of God will be Raptured before the Great Tribulation (Pre-Trib-Rapture Doctrine), where will God get His Martyrs to complete the full number (only God knows how many are needed)?... Definitely, God will not get it from the Atheist, Communist, Agnostics, non-believers of Jesus Christ like the Jews/Muslims, and other religions... right?... Therefore, the Church of God in Christ Jesus must be on Earth when the Great Tribulation occurs for God to get those remaining Martyrs (persecuted by beheading/decapitation/killing by any means)... Amen
Are pre-tribers going to fall away when the tribulation comes and Jesus hasn't come back yet?
We will escape into Heaven. If you miss the Rapture, then YOU AREN'T SAVED!!!!!!!!
They likely will. Christ warned of a falling away which occurs during the birth pangs. Any of us who don't spiritually prepare for the coming times will very likely fall away.
In rev 3 10 Jesus promises the Church in Philadelphia he will keep them from the hour of testing - 'in philadelphia'.....
Pre tribulation rapture may be wishful thinking! We will be marked by God during tribulation, like Passover, for our protection.
Time will tell won’t it!!! Let us be rooted and grounded in Truth!
I'm taking it you're a Jew then because their the only ones guaranteed to make it through to the end and that's only 1/3 of them. 2/3s will die.
THERE IS NO RAPTURE! The Lord said, "Tribulation shall come as a snare upon ALL THEM that dwell on the face of the whole earth." St Luke 21:35
The resurrection is on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, 1 Cor 15:52, Rev 20:4-6).
Therefore, 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming at the end of the grreat tribulation.
However, Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37).
Life is normal pre-trib (eating, drinking, etc.), then there is a flash of light and our spirit/soul is taken to heaven just like natural death.
Life is not normal (famine, drought, etc.) at the end of the age. Most are hiding in caves (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
All of Daniels prophecies are descriptions of Christs first Advent.
In Matthew 24:15, Jesus is answering the disciples' question about when the temple would be destroyed. Here, Jesus not only gives them a time frame for when they could expect this ("this generation" Approx.. 40 years), but defines the meaning of the event by associating the destruction of the temple and the Great Tribulation with a familiar and often repeated Old Testament promise. Deuteronomy 28 describes a point at which God would visit a curse upon his people (Daniel 9:8-13). Not only will Jesus Connect Daniel's prophecy about the Great Tribulation (Daniel 9:11-12, 9:27), directly to the destruction of the temple (70AD), but he also quotes Daniel 7:13 ("son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and glory"), as an event to run concurrently with the entirety of Daniel's vision concerning Christ's first Advent. According to Christ, the "Son of man coming in power and glory" vs 30, is directly associated with the tribulation and destruction of the temple! In other words, Christ's ascension and heavenly coronation as King of Israel, is immediately attested to by his Coming in clouds of heaven with power and glory (Matthew 26:64, Mark 9:1, Mark 14:62, Matthew 23:32-39)! This manifestation of God's power against Nations is commonly referred to in the Old Testament as the "day of the Lord" (Zephaniah 1:15, 1:4, 2:7, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18, Lamentations 2:22, Joel 1:15, Jeremiah 46:10, Obadiah 1:12, Zachariah 12:8, Daniel 9:8-13). Wherever we read of this expression in the New Testament it's almost always referring to what the church at that time believed was an impending "divine judgement" against Israel (Zephaniah 1:15, 1:4, 2:7, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18, Lamentations 2:22, Joel 1:15, Jeremiah 46:10, Obadiah 1:12, Zachariah 12:8, Daniel 9:8-13). The son of Man coming in clouds with power and glory in Matthew 24 (the Olivet discourse), was an event Christians living during Jesus' time were expecting to see within their lifetimes. With this interpretation of Daniels prophecy, Jesus lays his prophetic credentials on the line saying; "heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away." If we say as the Jews did then, and still do today, that the Messiah's Kingdom has not come, we make Jesus a liar! 1 John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesses not the Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is the spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
PRE TRIBULATION is the most biblical interpretation about the coming of the Lord😇Rev. 3:10 and 1 Thessalonian 1:9-10
I’m sad to know so many are suffering from delusions. Hope you find peace
Tell me where in the new testament that Jesus teaches his deciples about the rapture and the timing of it? I dare to challenge you here! I can only find it in Matthew 24: 29-31 where Jesus mentions AFTER the tribulation. So all the deciples mentioning of it can only come from Jesus. 🤔
You might want to check out some of the ndes where Christians pass over but aren't allowed to see Jesus or heaven and the reasons why.
Rev19:7 says different
Yes it does lol
Noah was taken safely through gods wrath, noah didnt get raptured. I think god will ttake us safely through the tribulation like he did with noah. The only thing he will not save us from is persecution.
Does the church leave before the two witnesses are revealed?
Get ready to face tribulatios. Getting to heaven is not throgh an easy rapture. Pre trbulation rapture theory is foolish. Only after all the 21 events of the book of Revelation Christ will come.
Yeah? You mean we've got to do something to earn it? What does the Bible say..."By GRACE are you saved through FAITH and not of yourselves lest any man should boast" ?
Before Jesus was my Lord and Saviour I was:
A drug user, selfish, alcoholic, whoremonger, covetous, adulterer, fornicator, gambler, filthy mouth, aggressive, disrespectful, violent, was very unhealthy physically, diagnosed with Bipolar, ADHD, Schitzoaffective Disorder, PTSD, took 8 pills to get to sleep, had severe depression, tried to commit suicide, was disobedient, prideful was a murderer at heart, didn't pay my bills, had a declining credit rating, had no moral, no direction, no hope. I almost died more than a few times. I was in a hostage/seige situation overseas. I was a not serious, prideful, denied everything that was wrong with me. I was a joker, didn't like study, had little to no interests, had no wisdom or knowledge of things that mattered. I couldn't budget money, wasted food, knew nothing about fasting, had no discipline and had a weak mind. I had more money than I did now but it would vanish. I was also materialistic and did not know where I was going.
I was saved supernaturally from death a few times and even been supernaturally healed without hands or anyone praying for me, but by Jesus only.
Everything mentioned at the top has changed.
At 18 I had something happen to me in a very small church, but I cannot explain it in words. Most people wouldn't believe it. And what happened was confirmed by one other, so I was not tripping and the feeling of peace was over me. That's when he first knocked but I was not born again until one week less than 4 months ago.
All the above has changed in 4 months!
Am I still a sinner? Of course!
Do you want to give your life to Jesus? Let me know.
No signs of Bipolar, Depression, ADHD, my concentration is on point without drugs or medicine. The Spirit even showed me what to eat, directed me towards fasting and I have lost 15kgs (I'm from Australia) in 6 months...and 8 kgs since 8 weeks ago.
I am no longer feeling empty but full. I used to go crazy with boredom but have so much to do to stimulate me....studies...preaching etc.
I layed down and asked to be SAVED. He taught me how. Admitting I need A Saviour, Asking for forgiveness, repenting, and accepting HIM.
I did not know how to preach, but within weeks became very explanatory and effective with making people think about Salvation in Jesus.
I learned more from his word in 7 weeks than I have in 39 years.
Knock and the door will be opened. Don't delay. Get rid of all pride and self righteousness. You cannot and will not do it on your own. You need him. If you can give yourself everlasting life....please let me know and let the whole world know as well.
God Bless from Australia.
I already had faith from the testimonies of my life.
I am copying a pasting this comment every channel I can, but I will add this as well. I had a demon possession, seen demons, heard them and it was scary to the point I could not be in any house alone without freaking out. I was full of fear. Those days have vanished.
No church building will SAVE you. Choose only the Bretheran who take The Holy Word seriously.
LOOK UP FOR THE SECOND COMING
“When you see these things begin to happen, LOOK UP....for your redemption draws near.” (Luke 21:28)
“Waiting eagerly for the redemption of our body.” (Rom. 8:23)
Jesus is not teaching the church to “look up” and wait for her redemption (rapture) before the tribulation, but after it. He makes this clear where He says the end times church (you) will “see all these things” BEFORE the “day and hour” of His coming (Mt. 24:33,36). Day and hour is the rapture. What things is He talking about? All the events described in the Olivet discourse (Mt. 24:4-30). But if the church must see them, how is that possible if she is taken up BEFORE the tribulation? Obviously, it isn’t. Jesus is saying the church will be redeemed (raptured) in conjunction with the second coming. He is not talking about “tribulation saints,” those who get saved after the rapture, rather those who endure to the end (Matt. 24:13). Scripture makes no reference to, or distinction between, saints before and after a pretrib rapture. You’re a church saint or you aint.
The Bible talks about TRIBULATION, some interpreted as the "Wrath of God" (Day of the Lord), some as the "Great Persecution" (GreatTribulation), and some interpreted as both... I will give you an ANALOGY... The English word "APOSTLES" (of Christ Jesus) can also be called "DISCIPLES"... but definitely for sure, the English word "DISCIPLES" can not be the "APOSTLES"... the same analogy... We do not need the I.Q. of Einstein to figure it out and understand and comprehend this matter unless we have a very low or totally poor I.Q.
Take note that the Scriptures were not originally written in English, the whole O.T. was written in Hebrew-Aramaic (Ancient Hebrew text), and the N.T. came from Hebrew-Aramaic and Ancient Greek text, not the modern Greek language... In those days Greek Vocabularies was limited compared to this day and they have some variations...
The Original Greek word used was "THLIPSIS" meaning to put extreme pressures like squeezing, compressing to the point of breaking or crushing, the expanded definition is "infliction of Hardship." The Latin word used was "TRIBULATIO" meaning miseries, trouble, and distress... which came to the English word from Latin into TRIBULATION...
Basically, "by definition," the word TRIBULATION can be applied (or can be called) to either "Wrath of God" (Day of the Lord) and the "Great Persecution" (Great Tribulation) in the general sense/form... but Categorically speaking, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) is not the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) vice-versa... They are both TRIBULATIONS of Mankind, but different from one another in terms of Time of EVENT and WHO is it for... is it a Tribulation for the People of God or a Tribulation for against Gor or perhaps both?
The Prophecy of Daniel about the 70th Week or last End- Week composed of 7 days = the "7-year Period of Tribulation." How did the Bible Scholars come up with this period, sorry, I can not explain it to you because it is too long to do... Prophet Daniel also, Prophesy that at the middle of the 7-year Period of Tribulation, which is 3-1/2 years (42 months), the Anti-Christ/Man of Lawlessness/Son of Perdition will be revealed to start the Great Persecution of the God's People (Church) for 3 1/2 years but before this period ends, the persecution will be "CUT-SHORT" (shortened Unknown time mentioned in Matt. 24:22), the 1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ will rise and followed by those who survived the Persecution of the Unholy trinity to SNATCH them AWAY (Rapture) and bring them in the Sky/Cloud to meet Christ... basically, it means to END the sufferings/afflictions of the Church from the hands of the Anti-Christ,... then immediately after that Event happened in the blink of an Eye, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) begins/starts for those People against God.
To Summarized, the whole 7-year period is called TRIBULATION, the first 3-1/2 years of Tribulation will be for both Good/God's People and Bad/Evil People on Earth called the "BIRTH PAINS," like extreme Earthquakes, Volcano Eruptions, extreme Natural Catastrophes, Global Pandemics, World Wars, extreme Drought, extreme Hunger/Poverty, etc...
In the middle of the 7-year Tribulation, or the 2nd half period, the Anti-Christ will be revealed and the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) begins/starts for Good/God's People only, the vast majority of the Bad People will take the "Mark of the Beast" to exempt from the great persecution of the Unholy Trinity. The vast majority of Good People will choose Martyrdom instead of the Mark of the Beast... then from "unknown time" the persecution of the Good People will be cut short, and the 1st wave of Resurrection of the dead rises and taken up in Sky/Clouds together of those who survived the persecution... after the God People is secured in safety from Christ, the Warth of God begins for the Evil/Bad People left-behind...
Therefore, 1st Half of Tribulation for both Good and Evil People,... 2nd half of Tribulation for Good/God's People only... and the Last Part (unknown time) before the Tribulation Ends, the Wrath of God begins for the Bad/Evil People left-behand only until the coming (return) of our Lord, Christ Jesus with the People of God to wage WAT at the Battle of Armageddon. ...Amen.
isn't the tribulation for Israel as stated in Daniel 9? (the 7 weeks)(7 years of Jacobs trouble) the third temple will be built and the sacrifices will begin. is there going to be a 2-tiered salvation system then in the tribulation where the Christians have Jesus as their salvation and the Jewish people will have their animal sacrifices? would we see temples go up all over and animal sacrifices begin everywhere? how would the 2 witnesses and the 144,000 get along with the church then? were they all sent because the church just DIDN'T GET THE JOB DONE? but i see people saying that we have to "endure to the end to be saved" Jesus said it in matt. 10:22,
Matthew 10:22 (KJV) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved...but what about His Blood atonement? wasn't that enough? you know, saved by grace?
Ephesians 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 (KJV) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
isn't "enduring to the end to be saved" works? being good in your own might? obeying? but another question!! we're not under the law! we're saved by grace! so which is it or is it both?
Col 2:13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
why then does Jesus say in matt. 10:22 that you HAVE to "endure to the end to be saved then"? thought we were "SAVED FOREVER" John 10:28 (KJV) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
which is it? we are "saved forever" thanks for Jesus's one-time Blood atonement on the cross! :)
"so enduring to the end to be saved" must not be in the age of grace, that's right it's not! it's the old testament way of salvation now! . the 7 years of tribulation, the 7 years of the old testament now to accept their Messiah.
the answer is because when Jesus was talking to His disciples about the end of the world in matt. 24 and luke 13, the age of grace HAD NOT YET BEGUN! because Jesus hadn't died on the cross the gospels of matt., mark, luke, and john were really and should be the last part of the old testament. because Jesus's sacrifice had not yet begun until after these gospels.
so, when Jesus was talking about "enduring to the end to be saved" in matt. 10:22, He was talking old testament times, because IT'S THE OLD TESTAMENT IN THE TRIBULATION!! it's another age now!! its the old testament for the world!! not just for the jewish people. the jewish people REJECTED THEIR MESSIAH, israel has another 7 years of old testament left! and what about the church!?
Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Revelation 3:10 (KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
this is the true church! how can it mean anything else? only the tribulation will be on the whole earth! and it's in revelation too!
please dont tell anybody to "endure to the end to be saved" just yet! please!
a great video on rightly dividing is by robert breaker..ruclips.net/video/e9UHtHkPzVw/видео.html please watch!
No...remember what Daniels says "He will confirm a covenant for one week" but then he will break it halfway through...so the time of Jacob's trouble will be the last three and a half years of the Tribulation. Notice that in answering his disciples questions about this , in Mathew ch 24, Jesus starts his answer about the signs of his coming and Israel's persecution with the "abomination of desolation" as written in Daniel...so in Mathew ch 24 Jesus is confirming that the time of Jacob's trouble starts halfway through the Tribulation. Israel will be protected by the antichrist for the first three and a half years...that's when they will be under the witness of the 144,000 and the two witnesses. I recommend you watch Dr. David Hocking's You Tube series on the entire book of Daniel and Ezekiel and Revelation...I consider him to be the most knowledgeable teacher on Bible prophecy alive today...if you choose to do this , you will be amazed at the depth of his teaching.
The rapture will start first before Tribulation starts. 1Thessalonians 1:10. Saved From From Wrath To Come. Rapture. 1Thessalonians 4:14-17, 1Corinthians 15:51-52. During Tribulation will be horrible times on the earth. Things will be not like it is right now doing Tribulation.
The Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath, not God's (Rev 12). God's wrath consists of the bowls (Rev 16), and we're raptured out immediately before the bowls are poured. We'll be here for the GT unless we die beforehand. Time for us to get ready, God's way.
Why do pastors and scholars always think that if the church goes through the tribulation they will suffer? The wrath of God is not for the children of GOD but for the unbelievers, the two witnesses are 7,000 that GOD have reserved, two candle sticks means two churches that are in the tribulation.
Please, those who looking in on this thread__ be careful not to be lead astray by false-prophets. Many are coming and have come since near 1830; with a pre-Trib narrative of the saints escaping before the 1st sign [event] that Jesus gave the Apostles is lived out. Which one is that?
Do a simple search for Pre-Tribulation Rapture taught before Darby and then stop posting this lie!!!!!! That is a Lie!!!
The wrath of God is the fifth , sixth and seventh trumpet judgements. Though Christians will be on the earth during the fifth and sixth trumpets they will not be affected by them. We will not be on the earth for the vials of wrath.
All of the tribulation is the wrath of God.
@@gregmatz3693 no
@@Mixedshortsai Rea Revelation 6 and the opening of the first scroll. Who opens the first seal? The Lamb who is Jesus Christ himself. If Jesus is God, then all of the tribulation is the wrath of God not just part of it. The wrath of God is described in different ways.
I'm so tired of these people who think they are well versed in the scriptures when Matt 24 says the rapture is after the tribulation. The elect ones time will be cut short during the tribulation.
Matt 24:29 thru 36. This guest is very much in error of his understanding.
It's a perversion of scripture. Dispensationalists choose to believe that Christ is talking to unbelieving Jews in the Olivet Discourse.
If you believe that you can be prepared enough to meet an unrestrained Devil in that weak, and sinful body you're in, and in this already condemned and rejected world, You're delusional.
I use an outline of Revelation that dispenses with any pre-conceived chronology of the book as a whole, including pre-trib, post-trib, or pre-wrath theories. It is based entirely on the visions of John.
THE REVELATION
A | 1. INTRODUCTION.
B | 2, 3. THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH.
C | D | 4, 5. THE FIRST VISION IN HEAVEN.
E | 6:1-7:8. THE FIRST VISION ON EARTH.
D | 7:9-8:6. THE SECOND VISION IN HEAVEN.
E | 8:7-11:14. THE SECOND VISION ON EARTH.
D | 11:15-19a THE THIRD VISION IN HEAVEN.
E | 11:19b THE THIRD VISION ON EARTH.
D | 12:1-12. THE FOURTH VISION IN HEAVEN.
E | 12:13 - 13:18. THE FOURTH VISION ON EARTH.
D | 14:1-5. THE FIFTH VISION IN HEAVEN.
E | 14:6-20. THE FIFTH VISION ON EARTH.
D | 15:1-8. THE SIXTH VISION IN HEAVEN.
E | 16:1-18:24. THE SIXTH VISION ON EARTH.
D | 19:1-16. THE SEVENTH VISION IN HEAVEN.
E | 19:17-20:15. THE SEVENTH VISION ON EARTH.
B | 21:1-22:5. THE PEOPLE ON THE NEW EARTH.
A | 22:6-21. CONCLUSION.
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THE REVELATION
A | 1. INTRODUCTION. (The Lord’s day.)
B | 2, 3. THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH.
C | D | 4, 5. THE FIRST VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Throne, the Book, and the Lamb. The Four Beasts. The Twenty Four Elders.)
E | 6:1-7:8. THE FIRST VISION ON EARTH. (The Six Seals and 144,000.)
D | 7:9-8:6. THE SECOND VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Great Multitude and the Seventh Seal.)
E | 8:7-11:14. THE SECOND VISION ON EARTH. (The Six Trumpets.)
D | 11:15-19a THE THIRD VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Seventh Trumpet. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ.)
E | 11:19b THE THIRD VISION ON EARTH. (The earthquake, &c.)
D | 12:1-12. THE FOURTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (Woman, Child and Dragon. Now is come the kingdom of God, and the power of his Christ.)
E | 12:13 - 13:18. THE FOURTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Dragon and the Two Beasts. Here is the patience.)
D | 14:1-5. THE FIFTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Lamb on Mt Zion with 144,000, before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders.)
E | 14:6-20. THE FIFTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Six Angels. Here is the patience.)
D | 15:1-8. THE SIXTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Seven Vial Angels.)
E | 16:1-18:24. THE SIXTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Seven Vials.)
D | 19:1-16. THE SEVENTH VISION IN HEAVEN. (The Marriage of the Lamb, &c.)
E | 19:17-20:15. THE SEVENTH VISION ON EARTH. (The Final Five Judgments.)
B | 21:1-22:5. THE PEOPLE ON THE NEW EARTH.
A | 22:6-21. CONCLUSION.
Every scripture quoted at the start was added to or misquoted. (A hideously bad thing to do)
Absolutely nobody, anybody, anywhere, what-so-ever believed or taught this teaching until mid 1800's. ( See 2 Tim 4 regarding end time doctrines)
John received the Revelation of Jesus Christ from Jesus himself...John taught his student Polycarp the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture...and Polycarp taught his student Irenaus the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture. Irenaeus went and wrote a book called "Against Heresy" which called out the heresies that had crept into the church...guess what one of those heresies was? The teaching by some that there is no pre-trib rapture. So whoever is telling you this nonsense that the pre-trib rapture is a relatively modern innovation in christianity, doesn't know what they are talking about. The early church believed it AND TAUGHT IT.
2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
These are two separate events. The first part is the literal coming while the second part is uniquely the church
2 Thess 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
This day of Christ is literal,meaning the 70th week of Daniel(also known as the time of Jacob's trouble)
2Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
This literal day shall not come, except there come a "falling away" first.
Early English bibles from Tynedale to the 1599 Geneva bible have "departing", not "falling away".
Only a literal departing of the church will bring out the man of sin.
Tynedale bible 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion
Coverdale bible: Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,
The Great bible: Let no man deceaue you by eny meanes, for the Lorde shall not come excepte ther come a departynge fyrst, and that that synfull man be opened, the sonne of perdicyon,
Geneva bible: Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,
We needed to tell Israelites what takes place and what takes place because we were call to do so not trying be but just basic. right thanks most high blessed..
Dispensationalism misleads Christians into numerous false teachings such as: 1) Christ offering the Jews a physical kingdom 2) Christ and Paul taught different gospels 3) The pre tribulation rapture.
Why don't you slaughter animals for the remittance of sin! Go see a high priest in Jerusalem
@@CowboysFan777 Not necessary, Christ came and died.
well john the revelator said it was a time that never was and will never be again made him sick for 3 days so its gonna BAD!
This generation since Israel became the Fig tree nation in 1948we have within six years left before our Lord Jesus Christ coming back early can stop this evil. Georgie Guide Stones says it all.
Matthew 24 doesn't extend beyond 70 A.D.
We are not living in the last time. There is no physical removal of the church from earth. John 17:15 John 17:20-21 The church is the light of the world with the keys to the Kingdom, which is the Gospel. The Christian age has no end. Ephesians 3:20-21
Antichrist was a first century figure. Not in our future.
All of Revelation was fulfilled in the first century. Christs' first and second coming was in the first century.
Misplaced, biblical eschatology imposed on our day for a fulfillment in our future is conceived from a misunderstaning on the nature of salvation. It's akin to throwing gasoline on a fire in an effort to douse it.
We know when Jesus had His second coming: Matthew 10:23; 16:27-28, 26:63-64
We know that the Inspired writer of the book of Hebrews wrote in 10:37 concerning the Parousia (second coming), that it was soon, He would not tarry.
Are we to believe that 2000 years and still pending is not a delay, not a tarrying?
Are we to believe YOU and your misplaced eschatology teaching OR Jesus?
Did Jesus and the NT writers get the timing of His second coming all wrong and that today's teachers have it right?
I don't think so. Who would want to contradict Jesus?
Who is goofing around? dothefive Soon means soon, even when reading the bible. Soon nowhere means 2000 years and still pending. If you as a Christian believe that soon means 2000 years and still pending, you're are trying to hard to be spiritual.
You contradict Jesus and the NT writers.
If your Preterist view of scripture is correct, we'll see that soon enough. However, if the futurist view of scripture (what we see as prophecy) is correct, we'll see that oh so very soon.
@@kenklein9228 The real difference is that the full Preterist view agrees with Jesus concerning when His second coming would be. Matthew 26:63-64. There's no getting around that. It's not in our future. It already happened.
So, that means you need to go back up and rethink, reconsider your eschatology.
Time to rebuild. It's not easy, I know.
I'll give you a clue. It's not an issue of our human tissue, nor is it about better bugs, slugs and mosquitoes.
Have you heard the Word?
John 3:16
1 Peter 1:9
It's a soul salvation.
@@georgebentonjr3876 "There's no getting around that. It's not in our future. It already happened."
I won't argue with you....I'm just sayin'......
Eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building, and getting married convinced me there is a pre-trib rapture. The wicked will be caught off guard (Matt 24:39). Just prior to the second coming is famine, drought, hyperinflation, mark of the beast, violent heat, storms, earthquakes, gigantic meteorites, and the sun goes dark, instead of building and planting, and love will grow cold instead of weddings. At the end, everbody knows what is going and is hiding in a cave (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37).
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection for the saints (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52) on the last day, last trump.
Answer me one question - Where is Jesus in Chapter 4 of the Book of Revelation - hints - Heb 1:3 and the emerald is the stone of the tribe of Judah
JEFF KINLEY, there are some flaws in your thinking. First, you assume that if God keeps us safe from His wrath, that He has to take us to Heaven to keep us safe, but God could just as well keep us safe here on earth, while the unbelievers are right next door, suffering through His full wrath! You also said that it would be “unthinkable” for God to punish us and let us suffer, but you’re assuming & implying that suffering is the same thing as punishment, and it’s not! When Stephen was being stoned to death, he wasn’t being punished by God, but he was indeed suffering for the sale of the Gospel! However, God DID protect him in the midst of his suffering, by giving him supernatural power to endure the pain, and that could be seen when his face began to “shine like the sun” as he was being killed and exiting his body, going up to heaven! You said that God won’t let His people suffer, but He HAS let them suffer, and STILL DOES let them suffer every day, in many places around the world, where they don’t have the freedom and protections that we have here in Western nations, so they often have to risk their lives, in order to attend underground church services and worship Jesus! Throughout history, Christians have been persecuted and killed in horribly painful ways, so what would you say to all of the Christian martyrs, including Jesus’ disciples, who were often brutally beaten, burned alive, eaten by lions, and tortured to death in many unspeakable ways, for the sake of the Gospel? Do you think that only they deserved to suffer, but that the spoiled American Christians deserve to be treated more favorably than that???
Also, I think you’re mistaken about the early church believing in a pre-tribulation rapture, because in Matthew 24:19-29, He describes what a horrible time the Tribulation will be, and He does mention that it will be shortened for the sake of the elect, but He is clearly telling them what to expect during the Tribulation, and then in verse 30, He says He will return, AT THE END of the Tribulation period! Jesus Himself said it! The pre-tribulation rapture theory was not part of Christian doctrine, until the 1830s, until Darby and Scofield spread the pre-trib theology throughout Western Christianity, but usually not in other parts of the world! Corrie Ten Boom described how pre-trib theology was very misleading to Chinese missionaries who were taught by Americans, that God would not let them suffer, so they were not prepared for it, when they DID have to endure great suffering. I hope that you will reconsider the possibility that you might be wrong about this. The danger is that Christians who believe in a pre-tron rapture, won’t be prepared for the important roles that God will have for them, during the Tribulation period. They also won’t be mentally prepared to endure suffering, unless they plan ahead and form communities with other believers.
We have to go through the Trib, and the sun and moon will go dark, there is no 2 raptures one for us a sneaky one then a big one for the Jews, no 2 last trumpets. no scripture says we will not see the man of sin.
It takes a special kind of twisting scripture to come to a different conclusion. That's Dispensationalism for you.
@@kenklein9228 well I disagree. There is only one second comming.
@@chriswood7165 I'm agreeing with you - only one second coming. Dispensationalism is what perverts scripture into a pre trib rapture.
I agree with your belief of a pre-tribulation even. In my opinion of the book of revelation and also of the gospel of Jesus Christ there is a scripture that says, "Two were in the field one is taken 1 is left, two were at the mill stone one was taken one was left. so that sites revelation chapter 12 were that the faithful church for the 3 and a 1/2 year period are sparred the tribulation, which draws in Rev. 3 where the faithful church is sparred that
"Hour". I don't believe the tribulation is 7 years, and this is the reason why.
In Rev. chapter 11 you have 3 accounts in sequence, it is 3 and a 1/2 times, then it is 1260 days or it's 42 months. These are all 3 1/2 years periods. So it goes along with the scriptures that Daniel was given, where the spirit said said to Daniel, that Jesus would be cut off in the middle of the 69th weeks of years in the book of Daniel.
The resurrection is on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, 1 Cor 15:52, Rev 20:4-6).
Therefore, 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming at the end of the grreat tribulation.
However, Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37).
Life is normal pre-trib (eating, drinking, etc.), then there is a flash of light and our spirit/soul is taken to heaven just like natural death.
Life is not normal (famine, drought, etc.) at the end of the age. Most are hiding in caves (Rev 6:15-17) and freaking out (Luke 21:26).
Behold I come in the clouds...I am the beginning and the end. The logic of the text is that Jesus is coming back once in the clouds. All references to coming in the clouds is when Jesus gathers and rapture the saints.
Billy asked Jeff why do people get so worked up over this rapture business. I never got worked up over it for the 40+ years I believed in a pre-trib rapture. I figured if you wanted to believe the rapture was mid trib or post trib, then you would just be taken up earlier than you expected. No harm, no foul. However, once I sat down and studied just the bible itself and found there was no such thing as a pre-trib rapture, I became very concerned for my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I fear that many will not be prepared for what is coming, will be confused by what's coming (due in large part to being falsely taught), will feel betrayed by what is coming, and fall away from the faith.
There is no verse that ties the rapture to a pre-trib scenario. It is said to be a signless event with no one knowing when it will happen. That makes sense. Since there is no event, there are no signs of it ever happening!
Christ returning to earth secretly is heresy.
We do not suffer God's wrath god has saved his people from his wrath many times I believe that we can be in the tribulation an in god can make us completely invisible if that's what he chooses to do
I agree. He will prepare each of His children individually. Some Christians He will decide won't see death and will prevent anyone killing them. Others will die enduring for Him unto death. Either way, He is preparing them both. I personally think I'm going to die, but I'm okay with that. To me, death is "absent from the body, present with the Lord." I don't know whether I'll be conscious or not - I'd rather be conscious when I'm with Him, but if I'm asleep until the resurrection, I'm fine with that too.
Pre trib theory is a strong delusion.
You will take the Mark. I guarantee it! God will send you a GREAT DELUSION in the Tribulation and you will be the 1st in line to take the Mark.
Is there two second comings.? Are the dead resurrected twice? Will there be two last trumpets? Paul emphasized that "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and ... our gathering together unto Him" can only take place after the "man of sin" (the Antichrist) is revealed, exalting himself above all religious worship in this world. (See 2 Thess. 2:1-12.) Concerning the end of this age, Jesus repeatedly prophesied that He will raise up His people on "the last day" (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54).
One of the strongest points to be made concerns Revelation 20:4-5. John revealed that those martyred during the terror reign of the beast (the Antichrist) will be included in "the first resurrection." There is no resurrection before the "first" resurrection, so the dead in Christ cannot be raised up seven years prior. Remember, the resurrection takes place first, then the catching away (see 1 Thess. 4:13-17).
Seems like there are a lot of assumptions with a pre-trib belief.
The Last Day Resurrection is AFFFFFFTER the Millennium Age is complete, Revelation 20:5. It's a full resurrection on the Earth. We are part of the HARPAZO, which does have a resurrection, but it's up where the birds fly and the puffy clouds are, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
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Bible Theologian and Scholars including Apologetics have agreed and believed the word "ELECT" means "People of God" that composed of Gentiles and Jews who became (Christians) believers in Christ... The Word "CHOSEN" was called only for the People of Israel (the Jews) under the Law of Moses...
The Bible mentioned the word "ELECT" 17 times... 4X in the Book of Isaiah (O.T.)... and 13X in various Gospel writers (N.T.)... source: KJV
In the Old Testament, only Prophet Isaiah had spoken 4X about the Prophetic (vision of the future) word "ELECT" in Isaiah 42:1/45:4/65:9/65:22... while in the New Testament, the word "ELECT" were discussed and mentioned 13X as the Jews/Gentiles who became believers /followers of Christ Jesus... Matt. 24:24/24:31... Mark 13:22/13:27... Luke18:7... Romans 8:33... Colossian 3:12... 1 Timothy 5:21... Titus 1:1... 1 Peter 1:2/2:6... 2 John 1:1/1:13...
In the context of Mathew ch 24 the word "elect" means only the nation of Israel...why else would it be included in a bunch of other Jewish only references like "the abomination of desolation", "the temple", "the sabbath" , "the rooftops", "the Judean countryside", and "the fig tree" ? In Mathew ch 24 the word "elect" clearly does not mean the church.
@@markanthony3275 Nope. Christ used "Jewish" references because His first disciples were......Jewish. He used examples they'd readily understand. He didn't use Jewish references because He was preaching an earthly kingdom, and in fact, He never said He was.
The guest unwittingly defends Mid-Trib rapture theory: 6:12
I believe the Church will face the Great Tribulation or Great Persecution from the Unholy Trinity, but the Church will be taken/raptured before the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) begins/starts... Amen
The Tribulation is "The day of the Lord" ...read the O.T. almost all the prophets talk about the day of the Lord as a day of terrible gloom and destruction...this is what the Thessalonians understood when Paul used the term...they knew he was talking about the Tribulation...but he also talked about another day "The day of Christ" . This was something he had explained to them before as being the rapture before "the day of the lord".
@@markanthony3275 Thank you for your comment... I could sense that you have an above-average I.Q. that It would not be hard for me to explain to you... I will give you an ANALOGY... The English word "APOSTLES" (of Christ Jesus) can also be called "DISCIPLES"... but definitely for sure, the English word "DISCIPLES" can not be the "APOSTLES"... the same analogy... We do not need the I.Q. of Einstein to figure it out and understand and comprehend this matter unless we have a very low or totally poor I.Q.
Take note that the Scriptures were not originally written in English, the whole O.T. was written in Hebrew-Aramaic (Ancient Hebrew text), and the N.T. came from Hebrew-Aramaic and Ancient Greek text, not the modern Greek language... In those days Greek Vocabularies was limited compared to this day and they have some variations...
The Original Greek word used was "THLIPSIS" meaning to put extreme pressures like squeezing, compressing to the point of breaking or crushing, the expanded definition is "infliction of Hardship." The Latin word used was "TRIBULATIO" meaning miseries, trouble, and distress... which came to the English word from Latin into TRIBULATION...
Basically, "by definition," the word TRIBULATION can be applied (or can be called) to either "Wrath of God" (Day of the Lord) and the "Great Persecution" (Great Tribulation) in the general sense/form... but Categorically speaking, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) is not the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) vice-versa... They are both TRIBULATIONS of Mankind, but different from one another in terms of Time of EVENT and WHO is it for... is it a Tribulation for the People of God or a Tribulation for against Gor or perhaps both?
The Prophecy of Daniel about the 70th Week or last End- Week composed of 7 days = the "7-year Period of Tribulation." How did the Bible Scholars come up with this period, sorry, I can not explain it to you because it is too long to do... Prophet Daniel also, Prophesy that at the middle of the 7-year Period of Tribulation, which is 3-1/2 years (42 months), the Anti-Christ/Man of Lawlessness/Son of Perdition will be revealed to start the Great Persecution of the God's People (Church) for 3 1/2 years but before this period ends, the persecution will be "CUT-SHORT" (shortened Unknown time mentioned in Matt. 24:22), the 1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ will rise and followed by those who survived the Persecution of the Unholy trinity to SNATCH them AWAY (Rapture) and bring them in the Sky/Cloud to meet Christ... basically, it means to END the sufferings/afflictions of the Church from the hands of the Anti-Christ,... then immediately after that Event happened in the blink of an Eye, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord) begins/starts for those People against God.
To Summarized, the whole 7-year period is called TRIBULATION, the first 3-1/2 years of Tribulation will be for both Good/God's People and Bad/Evil People on Earth called the "BIRTH PAINS," like extreme Earthquakes, Volcano Eruptions, extreme Natural Catastrophes, Global Pandemics, World Wars, extreme Drought, extreme Hunger/Poverty, etc...
In the middle of the 7-year Tribulation, or the 2nd half period, the Anti-Christ will be revealed and the Great Persecution (Great Tribulation) begins/starts for Good/God's People only, the vast majority of the Bad People will take the "Mark of the Beast" to exempt from the great persecution of the Unholy Trinity. The vast majority of Good People will choose Martyrdom instead of the Mark of the Beast... then from "unknown time" the persecution of the Good People will be cut short, and the 1st wave of Resurrection of the dead rises and taken up in Sky/Clouds together of those who survived the persecution... after the God People is secured in safety from Christ, the Warth of God begins for the Evil/Bad People left-behind...
Therefore, 1st Half of Tribulation for both Good and Evil People,... 2nd half of Tribulation for Good/God's People only... and the Last Part (unknown time) before the Tribulation Ends, the Wrath of God begins for the Bad/Evil People left-behand only until the coming (return) of our Lord, Christ Jesus with the People of God to wage WAT at the Battle of Armageddon. ...Amen.
@@jvlp2046 No , actually the day of the Lord and the great Tribulation are the same thing...according to the apostle Paul in Thessalonians. He used "The day of the Lord" as a synonym for the great tribulation because it's what that church would have understood from their scriptures...which is the Old Testament. We need to realize that they thought the events of Antiochus Epiphanes IV was this Tribulation that Paul had taught them about. So while you may be technically correct...Paul's usage indicates that HE saw the two as the same event. I understand exactly how scholars determined that the seventy weeks meant seventy groups of seven years , and how the sixty ninth week , where the messiah was cut off coincided mathematically to the day with Christ's triumphal entry into Jerusalem where he said " If You, even You had understood what this day meant" (in Luke) which was a reference to the sixty ninth week of Daniel's prophecy. The main problem I see lately is a confusion between God's plan for the church and God's plan for Israel. They often teach that Mathew ch 24 is Jesus talking about the church...but from the context , which is Jesus's jewish disciples asking "Jewish" questions ( when are you going to restore the nation of Israel? ). and Jesus answering with "Jewish only" references like the abomination, the temple, the sabbath, the Judean countryside, the elect and the fig tree , it is very easy to tell that he was definitely NOT talking about the church...he was in fact talking about the "time of Jacob's trouble" which begins in the last three and a half years of the seven year tribulation.The main confusion coming from the word elect which has been used as the church, but in this context , only applies to the nation of Israel. Up to that point , Israel has enjoyed peace and the building of their third temple as part of the peace agreement, negotiated and guaranteed by the antichrist. In Thessalonians it says that God will send a strong delusion on the world's people , so those who rejected Christ in the age of grace will not accept him during the Tribulation...only Gentiles who have never heard the gospel, will be saved...and they will hear that gospel from an angel according to Rev 14:6 ...they will not hear it from the church...because there is no church during the Tribulation.
@@markanthony3275 friend you are mistaken. We see the church throughout the book of rev in the tribulation, example rev12v17. In 1 thess 4-5 Paul compares the day we meet Christ in the clouds as a theif, Jesus compares His 2nd coming as a theif in Matt 24 and even places the Bridegroom coming for His bride at His 2nd coming Matt 25. What's more is the dead must raise 1st, SOUND scripture says the dead cant rise until the heavens pass away which we know takes place at the 2nd coming. Same event. Same day. Jesus comes for ALL who belong to Him on the LAST day.
@@issuesthatmatter2825 Mathew 24 is about Israel, not the church. Just look at all the Jewish only references in Mathew ch 24 . Revelation ch 12 is also about Israel , not the church ( in the O.T. , people of Israel were often called "saints" so this is not a reference to christians b/c of the context of the chapter). Rev ch 12 is part of the three chapters where the major players of the Tribulation are introduced and described.Those players are the antichrist, the false prophet and Israel. And you can tell it's about Israel b/c it describes the same thing Joseph had in his dreams that infuriated his brothers , sun, moon and twelve stars. All of them were the actual start of the nation of Israel , and that's what the sun moon and stars represent in Rev ch 12.
ask yourself what did JESUS the LORD GOD HIMSELF say ....JESUS said " after at the last day last trumpet " daniel said the same thing, paul says the same thing and the book of rev in chapter 14 : 14 - 20......the wrath is poured out the last DAY the tribulation is NOT the wrath
The vast majority of believers today think that the Church will go through the tribulation, but only a remnant thinks otherwise.
I don’t like getting into debates on the timing of the “RESURRECTION “
JESUS called it the “RESURRECTION “
JOHN
Chapter 11
The Death of Lazarus
I prefer to read the whole chapter.
When you get to Verse 21.
There is a discussion going on between Martha and JESUS.
Martha said if JESUS had come sooner Lazarus would NOT have died
but even though Lazarus had been dead for 4 days that OUR HEAVENLY FATHER would grant what JESUS asked.
Martha refers to it as the RESURRECTION.
JESUS SAYS HE IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE
“LIFE”.
JESUS goes on to explain this
By saying.
“ I am the RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE. The one who BELIEVES in me will LIVE,EVEN THOUGH THEY DIE;and whoever LIVES by BELIEVING in me WILL NEVER DIE. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?”
“Yes, Lord.”
Remember it’s the Spirit that gives the body LIFE.
JOHN
CHAPTER 4
JESUS TALKS TO THE SAMARITAN WOMAN
When you get to
VERSE 21
“Women,” JESUS replied,
“believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the FATHER neither on this mountain 🏔
nor IN JERUSALEM .
( worth while to chew on these WORDS of JESUS’)
You Samaritans worship what you DO NOT KNOW;
We worship what WE DO KNOW, for SALVATION IS FROM The Jews.
(actually JUDAH as the term Jew is a modern word)
)THE LION OF JUDAH
THE KINGSHIP WAS TO COME THROUGH JUDAH that would unite the other 10 tribes. JESUS DID THIS )
JESUS GOES ON TO SAY
Yet a time is coming and HAS NOW COME when the TRUE WORSHIPERS WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN THE “ SPIRIT “ AND IN TRUTH,
FOR THEY ARE THE KIND OF WORSHIPERS THE FATHER SEEKS.
GOD IS “SPIRIT “ and HIS WORSHIPERS MUST WORSHIP IN THE “SPIRIT “AND IN “ TRUTH” ( in JESUS)
JESUS goes on to tell the woman that he is the MESSIAH.
We are the TEMPLE the very Spirit that gives each man’s body life belongs to JESUS and OUR HEAVENLY FATHER.
The things of this world have been designed to trap our FLESH and follow its desires .
As believers we KNOW we have eternal Life. So let us focus on what has US AS INDIVIDUALS SNARED.
DEATH 💀 is a Spiritual force and travels with Hades.
1 JOHN
CHAPTER 4
Tells us what FEAR is and how sins Power comes from FEAR.
BUT PERFECT LOVE DESTROYS THIS FEAR.
JESUS IS THAT PERFECT LOVE WORKING IN MAN THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
The question we should be asking ourselves, am I ready to FACE THE SPIRIT OF Death 💀? Is more BELIEF IN JESUS’ LOVE FOR ME STRONG ENOUGH?
Can I look honestly at myself and realise I cannot take my eyes off JESUS NO MATTER WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND ME. AM I CLINGING TO JESUS WITH EVER FIBER OF MY BEING.
I cannot afford to leave his PEACE to indulge the Flesh. Dislike, Pride,Self pity, Anger , we live in a world that readily indulges in these things. Slandering people.
We must guard our Fruits of LOVE.
One of the characteristics of God aside from "All-knowing, Most Powerful and Merciful Father, etc... is "God is ORDER"...
God created everything, visible and invisible in 6 days and rested on the 7th day... God created them 1 day at a time (evening and morning) in "SEQUENTIAL and PREREQUISITE Order" for God is not CHAOS... What do I mean?, for example, God created ahead of time the plants/trees/grass before the animals,... why?...because if God created the Animals ahead of the plants/trees/grass, where do herbivore animals get their food?... likewise, God created the Sun, the Sky/Clouds, separate the Sea from the Land, etc. ahead of the plants/trees/grass...why?... for the preparation of "Precipitation Cycle."... For "God is Order" and not a God of Confusion/Chaos/Mix-up/Disorder/Mess-up/Disorganize, etc...
God gave the vision to Apostle John thru the Angel of God, not in a "jumble/confusing/disorganize/chaos order" of Revelation for mankind.
I still could not believe why nobody among mankind can make a "Sequential and Prerequisite Order of Events" for the Revelation of God to Apostle John, which ALL will agree upon and could say 100% AMEN...
The Rapture Event and Time Occur Period itself is already so confusing and so debatable among Christians, how much more the Main Events like the 2 Witnesses (2 Olive Trees) of God, the Wrath of God (Day of the Lord), the Persecution from the Anti-Chris/Beasts/Satan, Battle of Armageddon, Battle of the Nations, the Woman cloth with the Sun with12 stars on her head, the Woman who rides the beast dress in scarlet red, etc...
Debunking demonic doctrine of pretribulation rapture. Part 1.
1) acts 14 is about Paul going through tribulation, and his affirmation to the churches that they will go through tribulation.
And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 14:21-22 KJV
2) 2 Thessalonians 1 is about the church going through tribulation.
so that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 KJV
3) notice in acts 14 and 2 Thessalonians 1, the church is not saved by tribulation, but those saved went through tribulation. Hence, this isn't an issue/topic about salvation, rather it shows that the church/ saints/ saved/sealed with the Holy Spirit, underwent tribulation and will continue to undergo tribulation.
4) 2 Thessalonians 2 is about great tribulation. Notice there is no difference between Christians and tribulation saints. Just as Christians were tribulation saints during churches of Paul's time, even so Christians will be great tribulation saints before second coming of Jesus Christ. It's an oxymoron to affirm someone as a tribulation saint who got deceived, fall away, and damned for taking the mark of the beast. Such a person would be called a reprobate, and not a tribulation saint. Note also, that the Holy Spirit did not leave the tribulation saints during churches of Paul's time when they faced tribulation/persecution/martyrdom. Even so, the Holy Spirit will not leave the great tribulation saints when they shall face great tribulation/persecution/martyrdom caused by antichrist. Hence, the restrainor is not the Holy Spirit as falsely assumed by pretribulation rapture adherents.
5) countless will come out of great tribulation. Such will be beheaded/martyred/persecuted for not taking the mark of the beast. So, these great tribulation saints/church/saved/sealed with the Holy Spirit, will be harmed by the antichrist.
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 6:9-11 KJV
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Revelation 7:9-17 KJV
6) Notice Paul uses these words "blessed hope/ caught up (rapture)/ our gathering together unto Him", interchangeably in his epistles to the Thessalonians. Paul also accompany these words with Day of the LORD Jesus Christ/ coming of Jesus Christ.
Note, Paul is placing coming of the LORD Jesus Christ first, followed by and our gathering together unto Him. This means Paul is affirming rapture happens after second coming of Lord Jesus Christ, or simultaneously. What is twinkling of eye in terms of time right. Furthermore, Paul is affirming the statement of Lord Jesus Christ in Mathew 24, wherein immediately after great tribulation, LORD Jesus Christ returns, and sends His angels to gather His elect.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-7 KJV
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
I hope you take the Mark. To Hell with false teachers!!! God has a special place in Hell for false teachers
@@Pre-Tribulation Yes. Those who're teaching the pre trib rapture, among other false doctrines, need to repent NOW.
@@kenklein9228 I look at anyone preaching that God places His People into His Judgement, is EVIL! You are a Mormon to me, or a Jehovas Witness
@@Pre-Tribulation Just so you know, I don't preach that. Scripture tells us that we'll be here on earth during that time, but we'll be kept from the impacts of the judgements as long as we've done what Christ tells us in Rev 3:10. "Because you've kept My word of patient endurance.".
@@kenklein9228 no it doesn't. The AntiChrist is given power to OVERCOME the saints. They aren't protected. They are beheaded, see Revelation 6:9, and Revelation 20:4. The only ones protected are the 144,000. Even the 2 witnesses aren't protected. They are executed... oh. I forgot about the fleeing Jews. God will protect them and feed them like He did during the wandering in the desert. No Gentiles will be protected.
2 Thessalonians 2 clearly lays out the sequence, but it defies human thinking. A literal actual disappearance? Nah, that just does not happen. It's scientifically impossible.
Are we actually in the end?
Yes
We’re halfway through it bud 😉
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Bad things are happening faster and bigger than ever before thats having an effect on the whole world .
@@maibemiles3904 No ---- read the Bible // there are many things that have to happen for the Tribulation to begin....
To believe in Pre trib is to say Jesus lied to the Apostles in Matthew 24.
They asked about His return and He gave them the outline right up till His return. Jesus tells them of the Christians being rounded up and killed and great hardship they will experience. And then 'after' these times the Lord will return. Only 'one' return, not one in the sky and then another. He will return at the 'last' trumpet. The last trumpet is the 7th trumpet in Revelation. The angles are sent to catch up the righteous (rapture)and THEN the Bowl judgments of His wrath are poured out over those that remain. Jesus answered them with the whole sequence of events.
Did you say to believe in pre-trib is to say Jesus lied to the Apostles in Mathew 24? Well, perhaps you should have listened to his words more carefully! Jesus said himself that the days that lead to his second coming/judgment are going to be days of great tribulation Mathew 24:21,22. This means that it will be impossible for a certain prophecy he made to come to pass. He prophecies saying as the people in the days of Noah were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the very day the Lord shut righteous Lot and his family in the Ark right before his judgment, the people again, will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day he raptures the righteous away before his judgment. This prophecy cannot come to pass in the time of the tribulation it wouldn't be feasible. The tribulation is going to be more horrible than anything the world has ever known. People are going to dying so fast that if those days are not shortened not even the elect will be saved. This means by the time the tribulation had begun this prophecy would have already been fulfilled. Which also tells me that the possibility of a post-tribulation rapture never did exist.
G*1-Thess 4*
^14-15 Coming [parousia] of the Lord with those who died in Christ
(=? 1-Cor 15^52 *last* trump)
^16 Resurrection [anastasis]
(=? Rev 20^5 *first* resurrection)
^17 *Then* ... Rapture [harpazo*]
*harpagésometha = shall be seized
*1-Thess 5*
^1-2 =? Day of the Lord [hėmera Kuriou]
*2-Thess 2*
^1-2 Coming =? gathering together =? Day of the Lord (Christ)
⏺But as the days of Noah, ... know not until the flood came, ... *Watch* therefore: for ye know not what hour ... *thief* ...
Mat 24^37-51
⏺Behold, I come as a *thief* . Blessed is he that *watcheth* , ...
Rev 16^15 (after 6th vial)
⏺Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will *keep thee from* the hour of the trial ...
[tėrėso ek = will keep from]
Rev 3^10
⏺I pray *not* that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou *keep them from* the evil.
[tėrėsės ek = shouldest keep from]
Jn 17^15
⏺And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
2-Thess 3^5
⏺That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1-Tim 6^14
⏺ Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in preace, without spot, and blameless.
2-Pet 3^14
⏺And everyone having this hope on Him, purifieth himself, even as He is pure.
1-Jn 3^3
◾ *harpazo* (x12)
Mt 13^19 harpazei = seizes
Jn 6^15 harpazein = seize
Jn 10^12 harpazei = seizes
Jn 10^28 harpasei = shall seize
Jn 10^29 harpazein = to seize
Ac 8^39 harpasen = seized
Ac 23^10 harpasai = to seize
2-Cor 12^2 harpagenta = caught (to)
2-Cor 12^4 harpagė = caught (into)
*1-Thess 4^17* harpagėsometha
= shall be siezed
Jude 1^23 harpazontes = seizing
Rev 12^5 harpasthė = was seized
It's a post tribulation rapture, not pre trib. You and I will be here for the Great Tribulation unless we die beforehand. Time to get ready, God's way.
I think everyone confused are Christian’s here for mark if the beast and the Antichrist vs gods wrath I think everyone mixes the 2
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Mankind can't get his life ready...
The HOLYSPIRIT leads calls one to salvation...
So for anyone thinking they can be saved with terms attached truly is playing with fire...
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There is a close elationship to the Rapture in Mathew 24 vs 40-42
the realiy is many stages are involved prior Gods Judgment and Jesus Christ,s 2nd Advent with a multitude of Angels with blowing of the Trumpet.And many will not taste death as they will be the First fruits.
Meshach Shadrach and Bendigo God walk with him in the fire they proved their faith no rapture
Didn't seem like a lot of scriptural backup he has for his teaching,plus there's too much cristal clear evidence in scripture about a post trib appearing of our LORD JESUS CRIST i really wouldn't care about post or pre trib but i just can't stand this hipocrisy , it's a false teaching.
Sadly, too many "Christians" have a low view of scripture, never read their bibles, have never read it through from Genesis to Revelation even once, but somehow, they have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a wife beating, wife hating Groom. The entire Tribulation is the Wrath of the Lamb and The Wrath of God showered down on a God hating, Jesus rejecting world. The WORLD has always killed Christians and they have suffered throughout history for the name of Jesus Christ and for the truth of God, but God nor Jesus shower Christians with their wrath. A careful study of Revelation reveals that the different groups of saints have different duties. Such as the ones in Chapter 5 of Revelation will rule with Christ on Earth, the ones in Chapter 7 serve at the throne of God. The ones in Chapter 5 were ransomed by Jesus and the ones in Chapter 7 had to wash their robes in His blood. It's the minutiae that everyone overlooks. But we pre-trib people will be waving at the rest of you as we all rise to MEET JESUS IN THE AIR!! The 2nd coming HE COMES PHYSICAL AND TOUCHES THE MOUNT OF OLIVES which splits in two!