@@Demise90Racing Why was Kenneth penalized after this. But when Logano did the same exact thing to him a few weeks earlier, nothing happened to Logano?
@jsilva7005 Logano wasn’t penalized because it was regarded as a racing incident. Both were fighting for the win so it wasn’t taken as an act of aggression by nascar.
@@andreusprime5795 I’ve watched the video and I seen several breakdowns. Logan crashing him was not a racing move, it was intentional, just like this was
Everyone in the comments needs to remember that this was during the time the 2 and 22 were pissing everybody off almost every week. If the 20 didn’t wreck him someone else would’ve eventually
I was at Martinsville when Kenseth took Logano out; it's no exaggeration to say that the entire speedway (minus the handful of Logano fans) were on our feet cheering. The more often they showed the replay on the jumbotrons, the louder we got. Still my favorite day at Martinsville. Joey had it coming because he hit Kenseth going INTO the turn at Kansas. If you're going to do a bump and run, you do it on the straights or coming OFF the turn.
@@thetruth1446easy for you to say because you're not in matts situation. I'm guessing that you're a fan of Logano because even a person that's not a fan of nascar can tell that was well deserved. If you don't encounter the samething that matt did, then don't talk...😑
The cheers and roars were added to by the feelings of the fans that Jr was robbed at Talladega. Really, that was Harvick's fault, but denying Jr a win he had to have on review at Talladega added to Logano being the villian here.
The fact that it was Matt that took Joey out made it so much better. I lost my mind watching this live and still love it today. One of my top 10 moments in NASCAR in my 40+ years as a fan.
@@user-li4kc9kq6wit looks like you have forgotten what got us the Chase/Playoff format. Matt Kenseth walking away with the 2003 Winston Cup with a few races left in the season
Too this day , Matt Earned show much respect from me, for Finally showing he wasn’t a robot !! And being the Only other person to do something with the 20 other than my man Smoke !!
Matt got in a few incidents in 2014 and 2015 that opened the eyes of a lot of people. As for the 20 car, Eric Jones wasn't to bad. Just really inconsistent. I happened to be there when he won the Sothern 500. Christopher Bell got a win this past year, but similar to Jones, really inconsistent compared to his teammates. I look forward to see what Bell can do in 2022 with the new car.
I find it funny how much Joey is always talking about how he wants to be raced the same way he races others, or that he just raced someone the same way they raced him. But as soon as he is blocking someone or racing them hard and they return the favor he complains about it.
These 2 almost had a little dust up in 2016 at Talladega, when Joey Logano kinda forced Matt Kenseth below the double yellow line. These 2 eventually got caught up in a wreck, and Matt Kenseth went upside down. After that, Matt Kenseth pointed at Joey Logano at the infield care center telling Joey to straighten up and do better (he didn't actually say that, but I just interpret).
I remember that race very well Cito. I initially thought about including that in the video but that was a separate unrelated incident so I left it out.
I'm 67. I've been a NASCAR fan since I was 15yo and this is easily one of my all time top 10 greatest moments I've seen live. If Matt gets in the Hall of Fame this moment will be almost as important in getting in as his championship. They're keeping me away from him". LOL. Joey, Matt would snap you like the twig you are. Joey, you're one of the least popular drivers in NASCAR for a reason. If you're going to drive like Dale Earnhardt Sr. then OWN it like Dale Sr. He always did and was loved for it. You don't and are hated for it. Joey is just a whining two face. He reminds me of that kid who always sucked up to parents and then sold their kids dope. A true master of the two faces.
nascar can be mad all the want but the fans loved it & matt kenseth of all people doesn’t drive dirty or nothing not a bully or known for being aggressive so he got what he deserved 🤣
I also think it's important to note to younger fans that Matt Kenseth never wrecks anybody. He's literally the cleanest driver on the track so when this happened It was definitely a shock I think to most fans.
True, but I also feel like many people forget that many people in Logano's eraly years was getting egged on by people in the industry to "start pushing back."
Always enjoyable to watch Sliced Bread get what is coming to him. I once upon a time thought he was a pretty good racer and seemed like a decent person. And then he went to Penske, where he went full heel. He's proven he is more than willing to take people out but can't stand it when he gets it back. It's honestly shocking 3/4 the field hasn't put Joey into the wall for how he races. I'm still waiting for Byron to line up the shot one day much like Kenseth did and que the "I'm getting bullied" speech from the loaf.
Sure doesn't seem like just 7 years ago. Amazing how each of their careers have been from then till now. Wish Kenseth had kept racing with a good team. Think he had some good races left prior to his exit from Nascar.
This was the moment that humbled Joey Logano. It was a big wakeup call for him that the immature stuff he did in the early years of his career was no longer going to fly.
I feel like his early years of cup were rough. Getting wrecked for 4 in the busch series in 2008 at bristol by Kevin Harvick, getting spun by Harvick again in 2012 at Pocono for 4th. And getting wrecked by Denny in 2013 for not moving Jeff Gordon. Not to mention everyone kept telling him to "start pushing back" for all that time.
my biggest problem wasn't with Kenseth or Logano, but Nascar. They've always let drivers police themselves. They allowed a mad Jeff Gordon a few years before in the playoffs, who wasn't on the lead lap by the way, take out and intentionally wreck Clint Bowyer. Clint was going to be going to Homestead with a chance to win the title, before Gordon paid him back. Guess how many races Gordon got suspended? NONE, ZERO. ZIP. Too many people show up to watch Jeff Gordon, not Matt Kenseth. They never should've suspended him for two races.
Bowyer hurt Gordon's chances at Martinsville and was an ass the whole year. He had it coming and NASCAR probably sided with Gordon and that's why they didn't suspend him.
Still my favorite moment in Nascar. Logano and Keselowski where despised at that time, and for good reason. The crowd pretty much says it all, as did the reaction of most of the other drivers.
Flashforward to 2021 Daytona 500, Matt admitted to crashing Joey on purpose during the fox RUclips live stream with Biffle and deegan. Which made me a bigger fan of his lol
Kenseth: *creates one of the most iconic moments in Nascar history* NASCAR: “Hold on there buddy, we have to suspend you, even though we created this monster of a system.”
Matt had all rights to wreck Joey and NASCAR suspended Matt for 2 races. Due to this Matt finished 15th in the points. Also Matt had 5 wins this season and looked like a championship contender.
Little known fact. Kenseth is responsible for two things. A playoff system as it was his run away title in 2003, where NASCAR decided they needed to do something. And the Damage Clock Policy. A big part of that is to keep someone from doing, what Kenseth did.
I don't know why people look down upon Matt's 2003 Championship. He only won Las Vegas, but still deserved the Championship. His consistency was unreal that year. It's easier to count his none top 10 finishes then his top 10's. NASCAR's current system that awards winning isn't prefect either. Matt Crafton showed how flawed that can be winning the truck championship in 2019 with amazing consistency, but he never won a race.
@@Demise90Racing IF anything, it's more impressive. He DOMINATED 2003 and the format was changed. I've got no idea why anyone would look down on his title.
Joey did nothing wrong, if that dust up at Kansas was bad racing Earnhardt would have been wrecked every day, Matt was soft Joey laughs at the end, he is a 2 time cup champion
Joey Logano shouldn’t have spun him, but spinning him was justified after getting walled. I mean he gets paid to win races, not let another team get away with it.
joey didnt spin him mat was blocking him,driving all over the track, joey had a faster car matt tried to block and got snuffed, dale did the same thing.
Depends on what you mean by wrong. What he did wasn't illegal. I see nothing wrong with racing that way as long as you have no issue being raced that way back. The problem is Joey does have an issue with being raced hard. You have to earn respect on the track by giving it. Where Joey lost respect was when he just couldn't own his style of racing. Every incident he plays like he is a victim standing up for himself. He seems to think that other drivers just need to accept it and move on and that payback shouldn't be returned to him. Kenseth said it best in an interview before this incident. On the track you have to give and take. Joey is a guy who goes around demanding respect, but never gives it back.
The lesson here is one should not block someone who is faster. IMHO Blocking should be against the rules. Joey did what any other driver would do, bumping and banging is just part of racing FFS. Furthermore he DID NOT WRECK Kenseth. ALL blocking should end up in the wall, where so much of it does. Joey IS the better driver, he just IS. I used to like Kenseth, until he turned into an *SS. Glad he no longer races. You know where the double standards are? When D.E. Sr. punted anyone into the wall, it was excepted and cheered. That was ALL well and good back then. 🙄
The Irony of The Matt Kenseth/Joey Logano Saga is in a way The Jeff Gordon/Clint Bowyer Saga plays a role in this Considering that Logano driving the 20 Joe Gibbs Racing Toyota with Dollar General as the sponsor was the driver wiped out in Gordon's retaliation against Bowyer at Phoenix in 2012
Listen, im not a Logano fan but I'd be pissed about the block Kenseth threw at Kansas and I'd have turned him too. If you wanna retaliate, do it while racing for position, not a ton of laps down and the other is the leader. That crosses the line.
How do you see it like that? Matt clearly blocked joey in to the wall and then when joey gos low matt blocked him all the way down the track. The only thing Joey could have done to avoid that crash is to lift completely out of gas and just let Matt win. Is that what you're suggesting he should have done? If you're saying that Joey logano should have lifted in order to avoid the crash You're basically saying anytime someone's leading a race All they have to do is throw blocks and it's on the passing card to avoid the contact.
matt tried to block joey....thats what happens matt was all over the track joey doesnt just slow down. joey races to win not to race to be in the next round. hiw are yall so blind to blame joey??
Why do people cheer for Kenseth? Taking the leader out was a very dirty move. Joey on the other hand, was just fighting hard when he crashed him in the other race. Can happen when you block someone, they touch you and you fly off..... don't really get why so many people were on Kenseth's side here. Can someone explain that to me, please?
So as a Joey Logano fan I am going to call you out on saying Joey didn't need to win. Roger Penske pays Joey to win. Not win on occasion or win when you have to, just win everyday. If he goes out and lays back he is not doing his job and deserves to be fired. Also, Joey never wrecked Kenseth at Kansas, he spun him out because he blocked him. On to Talladega, yes Joey cut him off, no doubt about it but it caused no major strife so there was no issue. At Martinsville, Kenseth was out and during the race, Keselowski got loose... no team orders. Again Matt is out, so he should leave the playoffs alone. He didnt spin him out, or move him like Joey did, he wrecked him and gave him one of the hardest hits of the Gen 6 car at Martinsville. Now by the laws of NASCAR, Joey has done nothing wrong but Kenseth clearly takes him out which would result in no personal gain to his career. In Matt's defense, He is allowed to be upset that he was spun by Joey at Kansas, and wrecked by Keselowski at Martinsville but personally I believe it is only fair to wreck another driver is when you are in true contention to advance or win a race (like what Harvick tried with Busch last year at Martinsville I believe or what Joey did to MTJ in 2018. In Joey's defense, spinning Kenseth was to help him get a points cushion and as you know in these playoffs, every point matters). I am not going to try and force you to see my opinion because I don't care what you think because arguments like these are biased no matter how you try to be impartial, but in the eyes of NASCAR, one driver did nothing wrong according to the rules but one did and that resulted in a suspension. I have also realized that people are quick to jump down Joey's throat for most times defending himself. or fighting back like Darrell Waltrip said on that broadcast almost 10 years ago. At Joe Gibbs they treated him like dirt. When he moved to Penske and grew a back bone people still attacked him but got upset that he fought back. Case in point, Bristol 2013, Hamlin purposely spins Logano and later at Auto Club when Logano and Hamlin are racing hard Logano gets loose and collects Hamlin, along with some previous blocking with Tony Stewart (which is legal) and somehow Logano gets turned into the bad guy because he chose to do what Roger Penske paid him to do. Go for the win. The Kenseth debacle was also a retaliation on Logano's part because he was at least 10mph faster than Kenseth and he still chose to block which put Logano into the wall. There are even more races where Joey gets provoked first and then he retaliates and gets the blame for it. In my opinion, NASCAR needs more drivers like Logano, aggressive fast drivers who are not afraid to do what it takes to get the win because that it what they are paid to do. You want to see clean racing, go to an open wheel motorsport event like Indy or F1 but fenders and bumpers are used in NASCAR for a reason. The reason I say this is Joey himself said if a driver was to use the bumper on him, he would be upset but he understand that is how racing works. Earnhardt did all this and worse but he is still revered and nicknamed "The Intimidator" but Logano is nicknamed a child who uses daddy's money like 90 of those white men didn't get money from their fathers to put them in a race car and drive and do the same thing for their children. So yeah I don't side with Kenseth, never have and never will. If you think Joey deserved that, you are asinine.
Yes I said Joey didn't need to win, but I also explained that if he showed a little more patience and thought of the bigger picture he still may of ended up winning Kansas as he had a faster car at that time of the race. At Martinsville I pretty much agreed with what you said, and it would of been a completely different story if they were running for position. I don't understand though how you defend Joey spinning Matt cause every point matters. In 2015 it didn't matter. 2015 had no stage points, no playoff points, and no bonus points for winning. Every driver started the next round equally no matter how many wins you had and Joey already won the previous week to lock himself in the next round. All Joey had to do was show up to Kansas and park the car after the first lap and it would of made zero difference in points. I don't think you are trying to enforce your opinion on anyone or trying to start a argument. It is possibly to have a civil discussion on the internet sometimes, although it's a rarity these days lol. Those other situations involving Joey I would have to agree with you. Especially the scuffle with Tony, Joey didn't do anything wrong. In terms of you talking about clean racing, I don't know where that came from, because I never said I didn't like guys knocking each other out of the way. These are the types of moments that I love in NASCAR. I love when guys run each other over out there and get into it after the race. Matt wouldn't of done what he did if Joey did a better job by deescalating the situation by reaching out to Matt, and I stand by that opinion. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment Matthew. Thank you.
Well said and you are 1000% right about every word that you said about joey.and you are right about Joey getting payed to get out there every week and every race a win.if Joey logano had a winning car,and he did not win that race then he should not get payed.he is payed to race and win for his car owner and his fans.at one I did have a lot of respect for Matt k,but after the big stunt that Matt the bratt pulled on Joey at Martinsville I just don't care much for him anymore.i just guess that's why he is not in nascar any more,because no one wants him after his big dirty stunt that he pulled on Joey at Martinsville.and do not say because he retired because of his age.no he did not now,look at Mark Martin and Harry Gant now,they still raced and won races way into there older age.its because no one wants Matt the bratt to race for them after they found out just how stupid and dirty he was and is now.....!!!!!!!!!!
@@Demise90Racing If That Were The Case, I Would've Seen The Final 4 Being Dale Jr Instead Of Martin Truex Jr, Jeff Gordon, Kyle Busch And Kevin Harvick. Even Better, Hendrick Would've Gotten 2 Of Their Cars In The Final 4 And Jr Would've Swept The 2 Talladega Cup Races That Year
The previous comment has a potentially deadly flaw. There's no place for vigilante in nascar. Someone is going to get killed. Get even with your fists, NOT a 3,000 pound car. It's just STUPID.
You block and you get moved that’s on you. Kenseth wrecked his career with this move. He was never a contender after this and was soon out of a ride. Joey is a two time champion since. The only cool thing about this was I got to see Jeff Gordon’s final win live in person.. in the dark. Also Martinsville got lights due to this and the damage vehicle policy became a thing. Also fun fact Danica got suspended for two races also because she wrecked David gilliland at this race.
Being the good guy and being wrecked twice by the same team seems like bullying. When there is bullying you need to get some respect. Kenseth always was a good guy who never wrecked others. Never mess with the good guys, because they are day and light, no shades of gray..Grip ins asphalt is the same, you have it, or you do not. Logano and his team mate made that mistake, and karma rained. But I know Logano got the message. His bad deeds took him out from the final.
NASCAR had all the opportunity to dissolve this situation between Matt and Joey. From what I gather, that never happened. It didn't take rocket science to see they had issues ongoing and that something that eventually happened at Martinsville could have happened. They let it boil over. And, honestly, while NASCAR played it off like they were disappointed that it happened, I wouldn't be a bit surprised that they secretly wanted something like this to happen. Imagine the storyline and ratings. Well, they got the storyline, at least.
Lmao only a legano fan could twist reality enough to make legano sound like the victim here "legano was in the right for purposefully wrecking a car racing for the win when he had nothing to gain but kenseth was in the wrong for wrecking a car racing for the win when he had nothing to lose" absolute clownery
This is a great video but how does not one remember at talledega a lap or two before kenseths flip logano shoved him below the line and flipped him off down the back stretch
@@Demise90Racing I couldn't remember the year. I just knew matt wouldnt flip just anyone off for that lol. I remember dw saying "did you see that little wave kenseth did to thank him" and he was actually serious thinking it was thanking lol
As a Logano fan I really felt bad when he got spun by Kenseth. NASCAR Isn’t supposed to be clean like F1, Joey Logano was just doing what it takes to win. Kenseth blocking for me atleast was a good option to spin him out. Not on Logano’s side for the brake check though.
@Spitfirez I get where you’re coming from and my only problem is just that joey was locked in the points so he could’ve just had a 2nd place or be more patient still tho hood point
I would have been willing to concede that Kansas was just hard racing, except Logano hit Kenseth going into the turn, which is pretty much a guarantee to turn someone. Bump and run should be done on the straightaways or coming out of the turn.
Demise90 you must not know NASCAR very well. The goal in NASCAR is to WIN every race. You said in your commentary that Joey didn't need to win cause he had already won. That is their job, to win races.
Yes, and the bigger goal is to win a championship. And doing something that could compromise that is not a very smart move. Joey made his decision and paid the ultimate price for it.
If I was a multi-millionaire I would make it known the Cup garage that wrecking Logano would pay very well. Especially for the guys say 25 & lower in points. Foot slipped off the brake pedal stuff. Maybe sun got it their eyes? Just racing stuff happening. I'd say after about 30 wrecked cars in same season the team would have a meeting.
If Logano had not wrecked Kenseth at Kansas, I'm confident that he would have won his first championship that year. Logano was angry after the Martinsville wreck. You could see it in his face but if you look closely, I'm pretty sure he was wishing he could have just let it go at Kansas and raced to the end without dumping Kenseth. I think people forget that the Kansas race was very important to Kenseth's playoff survival -- hence why he raced Logano so hard -- while it was a meaningless race to Logano for the playoffs.
True but at the same time, any driver who has a faster car and his/her job is to win, wouldn't you get frustrated in that moment. True Joey went overboard but you can't say he didn't have a right to be upset.
@@Paradox_Of_Crota I agree with you. Logano had every right to be upset. He had really great cars that year, especially toward the end of the year and he was really in a groove. He wanted to win that race. I get angry when a slow driver is in front of me and I'm not even racing for money or prestige. But I do think his desire to win that race by any means probably cost him a championship that year. That was my only point. It's a shame all of that transpired. He was just so dominant exactly at the right time.
But when Denny does it to you you cry like a baby and he loses driver points and playoff spot! That nascar for ya🤬 if you’re going to enforce the rules always enforce them!
BS move by the 20 he wasn’t gonna win in Kansas either , 22 was far better at the end . 22 didn’t wreck him either , 20 car and ridiculous blocks got him turned. Martinsville to take out the leader when you’re not even in the payoffs is just hurt little boy , if I can’t win you won’t ? NASCAR failed in penalizing him big time . 22 could have won 4 in a row in the new chase format , that’s unheard of !!! 22 gets the last laugh anyways , still racing and winning championships.
Kenseth didn't care what happened to him at that point. That was his last year racing. He had said earlier in the year that he didn't have a ride for the next year and wasn't really looking. NASCAR suspends him?
@@Demise90Racing i coulda sworn that was his last year but you are correct. let this be a lesson you young folks out there...dont abuse yer brain when young it creeps on with a bat when yer old!
The 2015 season in general was the worst. Junior getting robbed of a possible win by Harvick's bullshit and Kyle Busch winning the championship even though he was injured throughout most of the season is the reasons why the 2015 season is forgettable but that's just me.
"He didn't just take him out, he JUNKED him."
-Tony Stewart
You can tell MATT IS DEFINITELY HOLDING BACK LAUGHING.. THAT DUDE IS FIGHTING IT BADLY
I love how he handled the whole situation lol. Tried to be serious but I think everyone saw through him.
I think he had the wind knocked out of him because he did take a hit to the wall too.
@@Demise90Racing Why was Kenneth penalized after this. But when Logano did the same exact thing to him a few weeks earlier, nothing happened to Logano?
@jsilva7005 Logano wasn’t penalized because it was regarded as a racing incident. Both were fighting for the win so it wasn’t taken as an act of aggression by nascar.
@@andreusprime5795 I’ve watched the video and I seen several breakdowns. Logan crashing him was not a racing move, it was intentional, just like this was
Everyone in the comments needs to remember that this was during the time the 2 and 22 were pissing everybody off almost every week. If the 20 didn’t wreck him someone else would’ve eventually
I was at Martinsville when Kenseth took Logano out; it's no exaggeration to say that the entire speedway (minus the handful of Logano fans) were on our feet cheering. The more often they showed the replay on the jumbotrons, the louder we got. Still my favorite day at Martinsville. Joey had it coming because he hit Kenseth going INTO the turn at Kansas. If you're going to do a bump and run, you do it on the straights or coming OFF the turn.
Earnhardt and Labonte @ bristol
You dont understand driving if you think Joey had it coming 😂
Matt's just a baby
@@thetruth1446 cry, baby cry
@@DSM91MitsuMiddle of the turn and he was not trying to wreck him, he wanted to just move him up the track.
@@thetruth1446easy for you to say because you're not in matts situation. I'm guessing that you're a fan of Logano because even a person that's not a fan of nascar can tell that was well deserved. If you don't encounter the samething that matt did, then don't talk...😑
The cheers and roars were added to by the feelings of the fans that Jr was robbed at Talladega. Really, that was Harvick's fault, but denying Jr a win he had to have on review at Talladega added to Logano being the villian here.
Can't argue against that Cody.
I was there. The fans were louder than the cars.
The fact that it was Matt that took Joey out made it so much better. I lost my mind watching this live and still love it today. One of my top 10 moments in NASCAR in my 40+ years as a fan.
Matt was always a calm driver. Never wouldve thought he would do it. But damn if it wasnt awesome when he did
Hell yeah. One of NASCAR's greatest moments that lead to another NASCAR great moment of Jeff Gordon getting his final career win.
You are entitled to nothing. You can't keep up or block effectively move over or get moved. Maybe that's why he's a never was.
@@user-li4kc9kq6wKenseth was a championz
@@user-li4kc9kq6wit looks like you have forgotten what got us the Chase/Playoff format. Matt Kenseth walking away with the 2003 Winston Cup with a few races left in the season
Joey absolutely deserves what he got and honestly has deserved more recently
Still punting people for championships
Too this day , Matt Earned show much respect from me, for Finally showing he wasn’t a robot !! And being the Only other person to do something with the 20 other than my man Smoke !!
Matt got in a few incidents in 2014 and 2015 that opened the eyes of a lot of people. As for the 20 car, Eric Jones wasn't to bad. Just really inconsistent. I happened to be there when he won the Sothern 500. Christopher Bell got a win this past year, but similar to Jones, really inconsistent compared to his teammates. I look forward to see what Bell can do in 2022 with the new car.
I find it funny how much Joey is always talking about how he wants to be raced the same way he races others, or that he just raced someone the same way they raced him. But as soon as he is blocking someone or racing them hard and they return the favor he complains about it.
These 2 almost had a little dust up in 2016 at Talladega, when Joey Logano kinda forced Matt Kenseth below the double yellow line. These 2 eventually got caught up in a wreck, and Matt Kenseth went upside down. After that, Matt Kenseth pointed at Joey Logano at the infield care center telling Joey to straighten up and do better (he didn't actually say that, but I just interpret).
I remember that race very well Cito. I initially thought about including that in the video but that was a separate unrelated incident so I left it out.
What he actually said was: We’re gonna race each other right before I’m through racing, I promise you.
I'm 67. I've been a NASCAR fan since I was 15yo and this is easily one of my all time top 10 greatest moments I've seen live. If Matt gets in the Hall of Fame this moment will be almost as important in getting in as his championship.
They're keeping me away from him". LOL. Joey, Matt would snap you like the twig you are. Joey, you're one of the least popular drivers in NASCAR for a reason. If you're going to drive like Dale Earnhardt Sr. then OWN it like Dale Sr. He always did and was loved for it. You don't and are hated for it.
Joey is just a whining two face. He reminds me of that kid who always sucked up to parents and then sold their kids dope. A true master of the two faces.
That's amazing that you got to see this live. I was there when Clint Bowyer won on a Monday after it snowed. Not as exciting as seeing this.
nascar can be mad all the want but the fans loved it & matt kenseth of all people doesn’t drive dirty or nothing not a bully or known for being aggressive so he got what he deserved 🤣
No doubt about it that the fans loved it. Hell, I loved it.
Great video! Excellent context, commentary and editing
Thank you very much. I appreciate that and I'm glad you enjoyed it 👍
I also think it's important to note to younger fans that Matt Kenseth never wrecks anybody. He's literally the cleanest driver on the track so when this happened It was definitely a shock I think to most fans.
True, but I also feel like many people forget that many people in Logano's eraly years was getting egged on by people in the industry to "start pushing back."
Lagano always drove dirty and then when people got mad at him he would hide behind daddy in the pits
Always enjoyable to watch Sliced Bread get what is coming to him. I once upon a time thought he was a pretty good racer and seemed like a decent person. And then he went to Penske, where he went full heel. He's proven he is more than willing to take people out but can't stand it when he gets it back.
It's honestly shocking 3/4 the field hasn't put Joey into the wall for how he races. I'm still waiting for Byron to line up the shot one day much like Kenseth did and que the "I'm getting bullied" speech from the loaf.
NASCAR fans when Joey Logano races people hard 😱🤯😮😲🤯😱
@@spigeo2345Joey when people race him hard 😱🤯😮😲🤯😱
Sure doesn't seem like just 7 years ago. Amazing how each of their careers have been from then till now. Wish Kenseth had kept racing with a good team. Think he had some good races left prior to his exit from Nascar.
I know right? I remember this like it was yesterday. I would have to agree with you. Matt was still competitive when he left Gibbs.
This was the moment that humbled Joey Logano. It was a big wakeup call for him that the immature stuff he did in the early years of his career was no longer going to fly.
I feel like his early years of cup were rough. Getting wrecked for 4 in the busch series in 2008 at bristol by Kevin Harvick, getting spun by Harvick again in 2012 at Pocono for 4th. And getting wrecked by Denny in 2013 for not moving Jeff Gordon. Not to mention everyone kept telling him to "start pushing back" for all that time.
“Wassup prick”
-Joey logano auto club 2022 talking the Kenseth
Kenseth wrecking Lagano at Martinsville after repairing and returning was the reason for the damage car policy.
my biggest problem wasn't with Kenseth or Logano, but Nascar. They've always let drivers police themselves. They allowed a mad Jeff Gordon a few years before in the playoffs, who wasn't on the lead lap by the way, take out and intentionally wreck Clint Bowyer. Clint was going to be going to Homestead with a chance to win the title, before Gordon paid him back. Guess how many races Gordon got suspended? NONE, ZERO. ZIP. Too many people show up to watch Jeff Gordon, not Matt Kenseth. They never should've suspended him for two races.
Can't argue that. You are 100% right. I remember that race like it was yesterday too.
And with the Gordon - Bowyer incident the whole thing was an accident on Clint’s part
Bowyer hurt Gordon's chances at Martinsville and was an ass the whole year. He had it coming and NASCAR probably sided with Gordon and that's why they didn't suspend him.
The suspension was BS. MK fan since 98!
Still my favorite moment in Nascar. Logano and Keselowski where despised at that time, and for good reason. The crowd pretty much says it all, as did the reaction of most of the other drivers.
@13:40 Classic interview "I just ran joey over disappointing end for sure" 😂😂😂
Some days you're the bat, some days you're the ball 😂
@@Demise90Racingbro couldn’t find shit to give even if he was handed one 😂
And history showed itself the right way Joey Logano got destroyed in turn one by Matt the way it should have been
I think we are all low key waiting for William Byron to do the same thing after what happened at Darlington.
Flashforward to 2021 Daytona 500, Matt admitted to crashing Joey on purpose during the fox RUclips live stream with Biffle and deegan.
Which made me a bigger fan of his lol
I actually haven't seen that lol
@@Demise90Racing ruclips.net/video/rOh83jeCu08/видео.html
@2:47:18
He says he didn't on purpose lol
Kenseth: *creates one of the most iconic moments in Nascar history*
NASCAR: “Hold on there buddy, we have to suspend you, even though we created this monster of a system.”
Matt had all rights to wreck Joey and NASCAR suspended Matt for 2 races. Due to this Matt finished 15th in the points. Also Matt had 5 wins this season and looked like a championship contender.
Matt had a strong season that year, but also a lot of tough luck in the playoffs, besides getting spun by Joey.
Some weeks you're the bat...
Baby Logano, wah, wah, wah.
Jeff Gordon's last win is the greatest 500 lap race I've ever seen
I don't like people intentionally wreck others but that payback was what made me a Matt Kenseth fan
AWESOME moment by Kenseth and one of the last moments I enjoyed watching NASCAR.
I’m here after the Bubba Wallace-Kyle Larson incident at Las Vegas.
The playoff format is effed up. NASCAR sucks and always will.
Joey Logano, the one person I hate more than danica Patrick
LMAO
Still rent free but Matt is 100% justified. Not a question in my mind. Logano is a prick.
When you block a guy in the wall, expect to get hit from behind.
Just like when Jeff Gordon dumped Bowyer lol
Little known fact. Kenseth is responsible for two things. A playoff system as it was his run away title in 2003, where NASCAR decided they needed to do something. And the Damage Clock Policy. A big part of that is to keep someone from doing, what Kenseth did.
I don't know why people look down upon Matt's 2003 Championship. He only won Las Vegas, but still deserved the Championship. His consistency was unreal that year. It's easier to count his none top 10 finishes then his top 10's. NASCAR's current system that awards winning isn't prefect either. Matt Crafton showed how flawed that can be winning the truck championship in 2019 with amazing consistency, but he never won a race.
@@Demise90Racing SO true. If pretty boy Gordon had won the championship the way Kenseth had, NASCAR wouldn't have said a thing.
@@largol33t1 hard to argue against that.
@@largol33t1 Gordon would be a 7 time champion without the chase system.
@@Demise90Racing IF anything, it's more impressive. He DOMINATED 2003 and the format was changed. I've got no idea why anyone would look down on his title.
Joey did nothing wrong, if that dust up at Kansas was bad racing
Earnhardt would have been wrecked every day, Matt was soft
Joey laughs at the end, he is a 2 time cup champion
always love to revisit the series of events that led to me being a matt kenseth fan. never liked logano
Joey Logano shouldn’t have spun him, but spinning him was justified after getting walled. I mean he gets paid to win races, not let another team get away with it.
Heart and soul
joey didnt spin him mat was blocking him,driving all over the track, joey had a faster car matt tried to block and got snuffed, dale did the same thing.
I believe that joey did nothing wrong
You must luv Ty "lil' Jesus" Gibbs?...lmao!
Depends on what you mean by wrong. What he did wasn't illegal. I see nothing wrong with racing that way as long as you have no issue being raced that way back. The problem is Joey does have an issue with being raced hard. You have to earn respect on the track by giving it. Where Joey lost respect was when he just couldn't own his style of racing. Every incident he plays like he is a victim standing up for himself. He seems to think that other drivers just need to accept it and move on and that payback shouldn't be returned to him. Kenseth said it best in an interview before this incident. On the track you have to give and take. Joey is a guy who goes around demanding respect, but never gives it back.
The lesson here is one should not block someone who is faster. IMHO Blocking should be against the rules. Joey did what any other driver would do, bumping and banging is just part of racing FFS. Furthermore he DID NOT WRECK Kenseth. ALL blocking should end up in the wall, where so much of it does. Joey IS the better driver, he just IS. I used to like Kenseth, until he turned into an *SS. Glad he no longer races. You know where the double standards are? When D.E. Sr. punted anyone into the wall, it was excepted and cheered. That was ALL well and good back then. 🙄
The Irony of The Matt Kenseth/Joey Logano Saga is in a way The Jeff Gordon/Clint Bowyer Saga plays a role in this Considering that Logano driving the 20 Joe Gibbs Racing Toyota with Dollar General as the sponsor was the driver wiped out in Gordon's retaliation against Bowyer at Phoenix in 2012
Lets just be honest. Logano got what he deserved and most people enjoyed watching Kenneth take him out.
Absolutely. I really enjoyed it. I'll never forget that moment
Listen, im not a Logano fan but I'd be pissed about the block Kenseth threw at Kansas and I'd have turned him too. If you wanna retaliate, do it while racing for position, not a ton of laps down and the other is the leader. That crosses the line.
@@christopherpettit2304 it's hard to argue that any of us wouldn't do the same thing being in Joey's position.
How do you see it like that? Matt clearly blocked joey in to the wall and then when joey gos low matt blocked him all the way down the track. The only thing Joey could have done to avoid that crash is to lift completely out of gas and just let Matt win. Is that what you're suggesting he should have done? If you're saying that Joey logano should have lifted in order to avoid the crash You're basically saying anytime someone's leading a race All they have to do is throw blocks and it's on the passing card to avoid the contact.
@@robertstone9988 lol. I see it like that cuz it was funny
Joey didn’t have to wreck him!
Matt didn't really give him much choice with how aggressive he was blocking.
matt tried to block joey....thats what happens matt was all over the track joey doesnt just slow down. joey races to win not to race to be in the next round. hiw are yall so blind to blame joey??
Clean block by Kenseth. Joey wouldve passed him in 2-3 laps either way.
Definitely on Matt Kenseth side on this one!!!!
Why do people cheer for Kenseth? Taking the leader out was a very dirty move. Joey on the other hand, was just fighting hard when he crashed him in the other race. Can happen when you block someone, they touch you and you fly off..... don't really get why so many people were on Kenseth's side here. Can someone explain that to me, please?
So as a Joey Logano fan I am going to call you out on saying Joey didn't need to win. Roger Penske pays Joey to win. Not win on occasion or win when you have to, just win everyday. If he goes out and lays back he is not doing his job and deserves to be fired. Also, Joey never wrecked Kenseth at Kansas, he spun him out because he blocked him. On to Talladega, yes Joey cut him off, no doubt about it but it caused no major strife so there was no issue. At Martinsville, Kenseth was out and during the race, Keselowski got loose... no team orders. Again Matt is out, so he should leave the playoffs alone. He didnt spin him out, or move him like Joey did, he wrecked him and gave him one of the hardest hits of the Gen 6 car at Martinsville. Now by the laws of NASCAR, Joey has done nothing wrong but Kenseth clearly takes him out which would result in no personal gain to his career. In Matt's defense, He is allowed to be upset that he was spun by Joey at Kansas, and wrecked by Keselowski at Martinsville but personally I believe it is only fair to wreck another driver is when you are in true contention to advance or win a race (like what Harvick tried with Busch last year at Martinsville I believe or what Joey did to MTJ in 2018. In Joey's defense, spinning Kenseth was to help him get a points cushion and as you know in these playoffs, every point matters).
I am not going to try and force you to see my opinion because I don't care what you think because arguments like these are biased no matter how you try to be impartial, but in the eyes of NASCAR, one driver did nothing wrong according to the rules but one did and that resulted in a suspension. I have also realized that people are quick to jump down Joey's throat for most times defending himself. or fighting back like Darrell Waltrip said on that broadcast almost 10 years ago. At Joe Gibbs they treated him like dirt. When he moved to Penske and grew a back bone people still attacked him but got upset that he fought back. Case in point, Bristol 2013, Hamlin purposely spins Logano and later at Auto Club when Logano and Hamlin are racing hard Logano gets loose and collects Hamlin, along with some previous blocking with Tony Stewart (which is legal) and somehow Logano gets turned into the bad guy because he chose to do what Roger Penske paid him to do. Go for the win. The Kenseth debacle was also a retaliation on Logano's part because he was at least 10mph faster than Kenseth and he still chose to block which put Logano into the wall. There are even more races where Joey gets provoked first and then he retaliates and gets the blame for it.
In my opinion, NASCAR needs more drivers like Logano, aggressive fast drivers who are not afraid to do what it takes to get the win because that it what they are paid to do. You want to see clean racing, go to an open wheel motorsport event like Indy or F1 but fenders and bumpers are used in NASCAR for a reason. The reason I say this is Joey himself said if a driver was to use the bumper on him, he would be upset but he understand that is how racing works. Earnhardt did all this and worse but he is still revered and nicknamed "The Intimidator" but Logano is nicknamed a child who uses daddy's money like 90 of those white men didn't get money from their fathers to put them in a race car and drive and do the same thing for their children. So yeah I don't side with Kenseth, never have and never will. If you think Joey deserved that, you are asinine.
Yes I said Joey didn't need to win, but I also explained that if he showed a little more patience and thought of the bigger picture he still may of ended up winning Kansas as he had a faster car at that time of the race. At Martinsville I pretty much agreed with what you said, and it would of been a completely different story if they were running for position. I don't understand though how you defend Joey spinning Matt cause every point matters. In 2015 it didn't matter. 2015 had no stage points, no playoff points, and no bonus points for winning. Every driver started the next round equally no matter how many wins you had and Joey already won the previous week to lock himself in the next round. All Joey had to do was show up to Kansas and park the car after the first lap and it would of made zero difference in points.
I don't think you are trying to enforce your opinion on anyone or trying to start a argument. It is possibly to have a civil discussion on the internet sometimes, although it's a rarity these days lol. Those other situations involving Joey I would have to agree with you. Especially the scuffle with Tony, Joey didn't do anything wrong.
In terms of you talking about clean racing, I don't know where that came from, because I never said I didn't like guys knocking each other out of the way. These are the types of moments that I love in NASCAR. I love when guys run each other over out there and get into it after the race. Matt wouldn't of done what he did if Joey did a better job by deescalating the situation by reaching out to Matt, and I stand by that opinion.
I really appreciate you taking the time to comment Matthew. Thank you.
Your driver deserved that 100%
Well said and you are 1000% right about every word that you said about joey.and you are right about Joey getting payed to get out there every week and every race a win.if Joey logano had a winning car,and he did not win that race then he should not get payed.he is payed to race and win for his car owner and his fans.at one I did have a lot of respect for Matt k,but after the big stunt that Matt the bratt pulled on Joey at Martinsville I just don't care much for him anymore.i just guess that's why he is not in nascar any more,because no one wants him after his big dirty stunt that he pulled on Joey at Martinsville.and do not say because he retired because of his age.no he did not now,look at Mark Martin and Harry Gant now,they still raced and won races way into there older age.its because no one wants Matt the bratt to race for them after they found out just how stupid and dirty he was and is now.....!!!!!!!!!!
Kenseth had that dawg in him
My absolute favorite payback of all time
Justice was served. Logano had it coming.
I instantly became a Kenneth fan!!!!
Even though I didn't see the 2015 fall Talladega race live, I think dale jr should have won it
I completely agree with you..if Jr wins that race with him winning Phoenix it would have put him in the championship 4.
@@Demise90Racing If That Were The Case, I Would've Seen The Final 4 Being Dale Jr Instead Of Martin Truex Jr, Jeff Gordon, Kyle Busch And Kevin Harvick. Even Better, Hendrick Would've Gotten 2 Of Their Cars In The Final 4 And Jr Would've Swept The 2 Talladega Cup Races That Year
Let me get this B wrecked u so u wrecked 22 rt ??
So Joey is NASCAR Cup champion again and Matt is unemployed.
underrated video
I really appreciate that. Thank you.
@@Demise90Racing it really is
The previous comment has a potentially deadly flaw. There's no place for vigilante in nascar. Someone is going to get killed. Get even with your fists, NOT a 3,000 pound car. It's just STUPID.
Matt is a real bio lil girl
Logano is a garden weasel
You block and you get moved that’s on you. Kenseth wrecked his career with this move. He was never a contender after this and was soon out of a ride. Joey is a two time champion since. The only cool thing about this was I got to see Jeff Gordon’s final win live in person.. in the dark. Also Martinsville got lights due to this and the damage vehicle policy became a thing. Also fun fact Danica got suspended for two races also because she wrecked David gilliland at this race.
Being the good guy and being wrecked twice by the same team seems like bullying. When there is bullying you need to get some respect. Kenseth always was a good guy who never wrecked others. Never mess with the good guys, because they are day and light, no shades of gray..Grip ins asphalt is the same, you have it, or you do not. Logano and his team mate made that mistake, and karma rained. But I know Logano got the message. His bad deeds took him out from the final.
NASCAR had all the opportunity to dissolve this situation between Matt and Joey. From what I gather, that never happened. It didn't take rocket science to see they had issues ongoing and that something that eventually happened at Martinsville could have happened. They let it boil over. And, honestly, while NASCAR played it off like they were disappointed that it happened, I wouldn't be a bit surprised that they secretly wanted something like this to happen. Imagine the storyline and ratings. Well, they got the storyline, at least.
The problem people have with Lagano isn't that he wrecks people. It's he pretends like they did it to themself. (Abusive relationship driver)
joey was right in spinning matt, but idc how intentional matt did it, if u spin someone, you gotta take it if they hit you back
You have to be ready for that pay back.
I think Joey fans knew this was coming.
Lmao only a legano fan could twist reality enough to make legano sound like the victim here "legano was in the right for purposefully wrecking a car racing for the win when he had nothing to gain but kenseth was in the wrong for wrecking a car racing for the win when he had nothing to lose" absolute clownery
So let me get this straight..if a driver has already advanced to the next round he should just not compete and let others win?
You don't agree it wasn't once but twice by 2 different drivers you can't get bullied like that on the track
This is a great video but how does not one remember at talledega a lap or two before kenseths flip logano shoved him below the line and flipped him off down the back stretch
Thank you! That happened in 2016, not 2015. That's why its not mentioned here.
@@Demise90Racing I couldn't remember the year. I just knew matt wouldnt flip just anyone off for that lol. I remember dw saying "did you see that little wave kenseth did to thank him" and he was actually serious thinking it was thanking lol
As a Logano fan I really felt bad when he got spun by Kenseth. NASCAR Isn’t supposed to be clean like F1, Joey Logano was just doing what it takes to win. Kenseth blocking for me atleast was a good option to spin him out. Not on Logano’s side for the brake check though.
I think the vast majority of people feel that way about the situation in Kansas. Especially Logano fans.
@Spitfirez I get where you’re coming from and my only problem is just that joey was locked in the points so he could’ve just had a 2nd place or be more patient still tho hood point
@@Lukepuke311 Fair enough.
I would have been willing to concede that Kansas was just hard racing, except Logano hit Kenseth going into the turn, which is pretty much a guarantee to turn someone. Bump and run should be done on the straightaways or coming out of the turn.
Karma’s a bitch Joey, never been a bigger blocker.
Joey's the king of blocking lol
Demise90 you must not know NASCAR very well. The goal in NASCAR is to WIN every race. You said in your commentary that Joey didn't need to win cause he had already won. That is their job, to win races.
Yes, and the bigger goal is to win a championship. And doing something that could compromise that is not a very smart move. Joey made his decision and paid the ultimate price for it.
That was great….this was when Joey began to be a driver fans don’t like
Smollett gets suspended for Homestead while Kenseth got suspended for Texas and Phoenix WTF?
The architect of Jeff Gordon’s last win
just subbed. keep up the good work.
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
6:25 I believe Kenseth would’ve actually punched Joey in the face if he lost the race to Jr.
You forgot to show the final positions of the playoffs.
"Caution comes out, and the crowd roars"
If I was a multi-millionaire I would make it known the Cup garage that wrecking Logano would pay very well. Especially for the guys say 25 & lower in points. Foot slipped off the brake pedal stuff. Maybe sun got it their eyes? Just racing stuff happening. I'd say after about 30 wrecked cars in same season the team would have a meeting.
If Logano had not wrecked Kenseth at Kansas, I'm confident that he would have won his first championship that year. Logano was angry after the Martinsville wreck. You could see it in his face but if you look closely, I'm pretty sure he was wishing he could have just let it go at Kansas and raced to the end without dumping Kenseth. I think people forget that the Kansas race was very important to Kenseth's playoff survival -- hence why he raced Logano so hard -- while it was a meaningless race to Logano for the playoffs.
True but at the same time, any driver who has a faster car and his/her job is to win, wouldn't you get frustrated in that moment. True Joey went overboard but you can't say he didn't have a right to be upset.
@@Paradox_Of_Crota I agree with you. Logano had every right to be upset. He had really great cars that year, especially toward the end of the year and he was really in a groove. He wanted to win that race. I get angry when a slow driver is in front of me and I'm not even racing for money or prestige. But I do think his desire to win that race by any means probably cost him a championship that year. That was my only point. It's a shame all of that transpired. He was just so dominant exactly at the right time.
Okay Joey spins Matt but holy sh*t what a fckin save
22 Y/o me : Lamao fuck logano
15 Y/o me: JEFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
to quote fernando alonso, "Karma!"
Hell of an interview from Matt
But when Denny does it to you you cry like a baby and he loses driver points and playoff spot! That nascar for ya🤬 if you’re going to enforce the rules always enforce them!
BS move by the 20 he wasn’t gonna win in Kansas either , 22 was far better at the end . 22 didn’t wreck him either , 20 car and ridiculous blocks got him turned. Martinsville to take out the leader when you’re not even in the payoffs is just hurt little boy , if I can’t win you won’t ? NASCAR failed in penalizing him big time . 22 could have won 4 in a row in the new chase format , that’s unheard of !!! 22 gets the last laugh anyways , still racing and winning championships.
Ya kenseth.
Kenseth didn't care what happened to him at that point. That was his last year racing. He had said earlier in the year that he didn't have a ride for the next year and wasn't really looking. NASCAR suspends him?
You are incorrect Wayne. Matt raced two more full time seasons for Joe Gibbs after this. His last year with Gibbs was 2017, not 2015.
@@Demise90Racing i coulda sworn that was his last year but you are correct. let this be a lesson you young folks out there...dont abuse yer brain when young it creeps on with a bat when yer old!
The 2015 season in general was the worst. Junior getting robbed of a possible win by Harvick's bullshit and Kyle Busch winning the championship even though he was injured throughout most of the season is the reasons why the 2015 season is forgettable but that's just me.
Can anyone say deja vu?
LOVED IT!
Didn’t Brian France voice his approval for Logano dumping Matt in the initial incident?
I think I briefly remember that. He basically said boys have at it if I'm not mistaken.
@@Demise90Racing I did some digging, in an interview he says Logano, quote, ‘made a smart move’ in dumping Kenseth
@@kcenneckennek interesting. He basically just dumped a ton of gasoline on to the fire lol.
MATTY ICE IS THE MAN
🔥🔥🔥
Wrecking a guy is not good hard racing.
Best vid yet I remember this
Appreciate that. I have a few more planned like this one.
@@Demise90Racing BTW this is spxrtzclpz I just changed it but it is still me