As of now, I have not watched the Christmas episodes, so please do not put any spoilers in the comments. EDIT: I have watched it and The Children in Need Special (sorry, forgot to update this!)
Hope you enjoyed season one! Christopher Eccleston was also my first Doctor so I'm always sad to see him go, but David Tennant has arguably the best era, so you're in for a ride.
I wore a t shirt very similar to yours when I went to florida 6 or 7 years ago (I'm from the uk) and I was like a minor celebrity!! People kept coming up to me in ride queues and complimenting me! Literally constantly all day! A few even wanted a pic with me wearing the t shirt!!! I wore it twice in 2 weeks but my wife got a bit annoyed by the attention so I stopped!! Lol
Its always sad to see Eccelstone come to an end but you must always remember: Everything ends, and its always sad but everything begins again too & that's always happy.... be happy
The cycle of doctor who: Who’s this weirdo, I want X back -> okay, they’re growing on me… -> i love them… -> nooo, don’t go -> who’s this weirdo, I want X back.
@@pabloc8808 He's been brilliant in everything he's been in, especially getting to play a psychotic villain in Killgrave in Jessica Jones, he's the only good thing about that show imo, I'd love to see him play villains more often
@@thatlonewolfguy2878 idk if you've seen Inside Man but let me tell you, Tennant is absolutely brilliant on that one. If you break it down, it's not the best written show ever, but Tennant and Tucci carry the entire thing like it's weightless
Don't forget you're watching a show about time travel. You saw the moment Rose scatters the Bad Wolf words throughout space and time. It was a message she left for her past self so that she realizes what she needs to do. It was Super Rose closing a causal loop.
@@corvus1970 Bootstrap paradoxes aren't _actually_ paradoxes because they're logically consistent. A leads to B leads to C leads to A, there's no contradiction there unless you insist that time travel isn't possible.
"You were fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. And you know what? So was I!” Eccleston was going through a lot of things both personally and during production, but he still gave a fantastic performance for his 13 episodes
@@kennethpryde966he's talked about his time on the show a lot- his exit was not about money at all. He was going through a lot personally at the time and he had issues with a lot of how the production was handled/people that were working on the show were treated
@@kennethpryde966 it had nothing to do with money. There were a lot of problems (including what went on with Noel Clarke and John Barrowman- sexual harassment of crew & exhibitionism). The director of the first filming block of 2 episodes including "Rose" put the crew at risk by telling them to toss a burning sofa out of a building and Eccelston complained about unsafe working conditions. Unfortunately, the senior management including Russell T. Davies didn't back him (although modern Who never used that director again.) The relationship between Eccleston and senior management never recovered. As well, his anorexia was really bad in this period (not helped by the praise he got for looking "chiseled"). If you look at the shirtless scene in Dalek, you can see his ribs. His father (with whom he was very close) was dying during this season and during Father's Day filming, he got time off to attend his dad's funeral. He and senior management agreed he'd finish the season and handle his departure without criticizing each other. Unfortunately they later undercut this agreement by saying he was "exhausted" which damaged his career & he couldn't get acting work in the UK for 3 years. In recent years, he talked more about Who and does cons and Big Finish. However he has said he'll not return as long as Russell T. Davis or Julie Gartner are involved.
@@PokemonEmppu then the reaction of disappointment to seeing “Cardiff” immediately after🤣🤣 All love to this amazing woman, but that made cackle hahaha!!
Someone really ought to gently remind her that Rose is from London, which is not the same place as Cardiff. Then again, with things this way she's about as geographically confused as The Doctor can be at times, so there is that.
As an 'old time' fan way back to 1963, this line always annoys me; he has gone through regeneration multiple times and, as his comments in the opening episode suggest he was newly regenerated, the most recent was only a very short time earlier. New teeth shouldn't be 'weird' or even unexpected in the circumstances!
You should watch Tara's Never Seen's "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" reaction. Admittedly, it's like a few seconds in, but she apparently loves dolphins, and the first 5 minutes of the movie is AT LEAST half of the reaction. Crying and laughing and just becoming a hilarious mess.
My first one was Mr.McCoy - a German TV station showed his episodes, it was the first time the Doctor was on German TV. Sadly they completely effed up their whole schedule: Episodes ran at the wrong times (like I programmed my VCR to record one and it started too early and all I got was the last 5 minutes) and they got the order of some episodes wrong... Still was enjoying it. Later I got to see Tom Baker episodes and he would have been my Doctor when I was a kid in the 70s - and it totally hit me right in the nostalgia, even though it's the first time I saw it with 30 or so. There is a lot of good in the new series - you wait till you get to know Tennant. And the one after him and so forth. You'll hate the current one go each time, but the next will be so well written and acted each time and have their own personality quirks that, as hard as it is to believe, it'll get better and better. :D All the colleagues of Mr. Eccleston who follow in him occupying the role of the Doctor do a GREAT job as well and for quite some time the series will be simply amazing. :)
Mine was Matt Smith. Just finished the 9th doctors season for the first time and moving on to 10, and I have to say I liked it a lot more than I thought. I knew I would, but I have sooo much love for Smith I thought it would taint it. I still love Smith as my number 1 Doctor, but Eccelston is so amazing
Bad Wolf is a bootstrapped, self fulfilling prophecy. It makes itself happen. The message drives Rose to become Bad Wolf, write the message across time and space, so she sees the message to go become Bad Wolf to write the message and save the Doctor. It's like if you invented time travel and someone traveled to you in the machine you created, and you invented the thing by looking at the thing you already invented. This is why it's called a "bootstrap paradox"- who invented it? Apparently some things create themselves.
Stage 1: I hate this new guy 2: he is ok, but the last guy was better 3: BEST DOCTOR EVER 4:No! this is not how you replace him 5: Regenerate - Go back to stage 1
There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong in being emotional about seeing your doctor go away. I bawled like a baby when my favorite doctors left the show. And a lot of people forget the Christopher Eccleston did a lot of heavy lifting coming back as the doctor for the first series after the show went on hiatus for a long time. He helped make people care about Doctor who again. So let those tears flow, it's a very emotional episode.
Yes. RTD is a master of the feels, but not as strong on plot and story resolution. He goes magic/deus ex machina over and over. When Stephen Moffat takes over story and structure and plot get better, but character beats get a bit more glib and maybe a bit less deep. Personally I think Moffat is the best show runner of the modern era, but the very best episodes are the ones he penned under RTD as the show runner. YMMV.
I mean if he didn't, we wouldn't have gotten David Tennant, or at least would have gotten him later on. It sucks that Eccleston had such a rotten time on the show and left after just the 1 series/season - but it is what it is and things turned out the way they did and how we've been watching all these years. It would be nice if RTD (or that other producer Eccleston really had the big issues with) could somehow make things good with Eccleston and hey maybe if they could, we could get his Doctor to return to close that chapter after all these years. Probably not, but one can hope.
As I understand it, Jonathan Nathen Turner was responsible for killing DW at the premature end of the classic era. He cut funding, which obviously affected production values, and then was unforgiving when viewership dropped in response using that as proof that the “British public were tired of this fanciful, make-believe programming” or some such-and swung the axe. Surely that was more calamitous than an actor, however valued, not getting on with a show’s producers. At least the season ended in a way respectful of both the show AND the actor. It’s really unfortunate CE was so embittered he wouldn’t consider returning for any of the multiple Doctor specials under different producers/directors but… (there’s one in particular I have in mind but it would Hurt to say it).
@@stormhawk3319 You know what they say about opinions… I don’t think there was anything fundamentally wrong with the Doctor or Ace. The writing, yeah. The production budget, absolutely. It was in shoddy shape but entirely fixable. Turner had an agenda, set about killing it and I gather was frustrated it took so long to die! Judging Doctor’s 6 & 7 has to be done within the increasingly sour politics (towards the franchise) at the BBC. The movie was a half-hearted hail Mary that the BBC never really invested in-if it was a huge hit they’d own it, otherwise… In the context of the success of New Who-which has had its own ups & downs but at least not from the BBC pulling support-18 years with a few gaps compares well with the full run of original Who. The most notable difference is the number of episodes: back in ‘63 there were 23 or something like that! That number has gradually, slowly gone down. New Who started out at 13 a season plus a Christmas special but after a few seasons that too began to change little by little. Consider what a season of Disney Who has? Speaking of: don’t you all think it would make better sense to “officially” refer to classic who has simply, DW, new who as Doctor Who 2, and Disney Who as Doctor Who 3? I know Disney wants/expects to rebrand DW simply as DW 1:1 restarting the series count but… blech! A lie doesn’t make the truth disappear. Maybe Disney Who would be more successful if they were more welcoming of the pre-existing fan base. It may be symbolic but it’s still meaningful.
The DW Stages of Grief: 1) Denial: 'No! I can't believe my Doctor is gone!' 2) Bargaining: 'Please! PLEASE don't let him be gone!' 3) Anger: 'I HATE this new Doctor! I want my old Doctor!' 4) Depression: 'Fine, then. I'll give the new Doctor a chance.' 5) Acceptance: 'OMG! I LOVE this new Doctor!'
@@Kestrel1971 Why? 13 had a lot of good episodes and was well acted, and 14's specials were fun. 15 has been brilliant - and if you can't even get the numbering right, then you're probably just once of the serial complainers the interent has sprouted. I've been watching Doctor Who since way before the '05 relaunch and I've been enjoying every part.
@bmyattuk 13 had 2 episodes I liked, the second special for 14 was decent and I haven't bother passed the first episode of 15. I think the writers and showrunners have done nothing to help themselves with the numbering, can't dismiss someone for not getting it right.
To try to explain Bad Wolf, it’s essentially a bootstrap paradox. The Tardis, which can exist across all time and space, inhabit Rose and through her plucked the words at random from the corporation’s name and scattered them through time and space across Rose’s timeline as hints to her, culminating in all the graffiti at the end, to prompt her to open the Tardis console so she could be flooded with the time vortex and return to the Doctor (so she could then scatter the words across time and space… etc). Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey, as we say.
She said "I create myself", as she is the Bad Wolf. The messages left throughout her timeline led her to opening the TARDIS console, which turns Rose into the Bad Wolf. She created herself, because her own changes to time led her here, like the grandfather paradox.
@@robertcathles It is a bootstrap paradox not a grandfather paradox. The Grandfather Paradox is a negating paradox or undone time travel - think möbius strip - you end at the same place it all started and it either starts over again in perpetuity or something causes a change so that the time travel never happens in the first place; bootstrap is a different type that leads to itself/has no origin and always happen. Predestination Paradox is another type too but that requires an attempt to undo but actually cause. There are many types of paradoxes.
When I heard you say, "WHAT PROCESS!?", I thought, "Oh my dear sweet child there is so much PTSD you are going to love and hate at the same time." There is so much Doctor Who I want to see you watch
I watched this series during the worst year of my life. My auntie, who was really more like a mother to me, died suddenly, My marriage collapsed and I became a single parent. My mom had yet another bout with cancer. My grandmother died on Christmas Day. But it was the Doctor, this Doctor, that kept me going. He just never gave up, even when he wanted to, He kept fighting because he's a hero, and that's what they do no matter the consequences. Ecceleston is not my favorite NuWho Doctor (We are a Matt Smith house), but damn, Chris got me through some hard times, and I will always love him for it. Thank you for loving him.
There's a lot to love about this episode - the Doctor hologram, the chat with Jackie/Rose in the TARDIS. But I really like Eccleston's lines when he was explaining regeneration to Rose. "It means I'm going to change." It was written to all the 8-year-old viewers of the show, experiencing it for the first time.
I’ve seen this regeneration scene 50 times and I still get emotional every single time. It’s hard saying goodbye to a doctor but I usually end up smiling seeing the new doctor appear. It’s a rollercoaster of emotions!
I think the Doctor's line of just "Coward, any day" really just sums up what his whole character has been about this season. Here's this guy, fresh from the most devastating war possible where he personally had a hand in doing unthinkable, terrible things. He's tired. He's bitter. He's angry. But then he meets Rose. And they go on their little adventures and save lives and make new friends. And then, when the Doctor is once again presented with the opportunity to cause an extinction, he says no. He's changed his mind. Everyone always talks about how being with the Doctor makes them a better person. It's so rare to see the Doctor becoming a better person because of his companions. I love Tenant's doctor, and Matt Smith's doctor, I love all of them. But to me, nothing will ever quite top Eccleston's Doctor being so excited that he's finally become a coward.
27:47 - The Doctor: They've got dogs with no noses. Ha, ha, ha, ha! 27:50 - flg: That sounds awful. How will you boop? No joke. I wish Rose spoke that last line.
Rose lives in London. Every time we see Rose at home, with Jackie and Mickey, that's London. They went to Cardiff twice in Series 1--in the past when they met the Gelth and when they fueled up the TARDIS at the Rift.
You've said goodbye to your first doctor, you're now a true fan. You'll not want to see a new doctor, you'll not be sure of them, grow to love them, then not want to say goodbye to them.
The concept of the Doctor cheating death by regenerating is what has kept Doctor Who going since 1963. The appearance changes, there are new personality traits, but the memories remain and every incarnation is the same Time Lord. I really hope you watch the Children in Need special that follows "Parting of the Ways" before watching "The Christmas Invasion", since the Doctor explains the change and the concept of Regeneration to Rose in that.
@@kivimik It wasn't called regeneration until "Planet of the Spiders" in 1974, but you're correct. It was conceived in 1966 when Hartnell was too ill to continue in the role, and they needed to replace him. At the time, they called it a "renewal".
Thank you. Seriously, thank you for using the term "incarnation." So many fans refer to his individual lives as "regenerations" (and even the series itself has flubbed this one), which just sets my teeth on edge. Regeneration is the process, not the person.
@@kivimik - Obviously I know that mate. I've been watching Doctor Who since in began in 1963. I was a 2 year old sitting on my Mums knee watching the first episode. My meaning was that Doctor Who has been going since 1963, but it might have finished in 66 when Hartnell left if they hadn't come up with concept of changing the Doctor's appearance to bring in a new lead actor. The term "Regeneration" wasn't actually used until "Planet of the Spiders, btw, when the 3rd Doctor regenerated into the 4th.
Doctors, James Bond, and lovers have one thing in common, you will always have a special place in your heart for your first but you will quickly love the next one and then mourn when they leave too.
Out of all the people who have reacted to this episode I personally think this my favorite. To see the genuine love for a Doctor and the tears for the loss of a Doctor is touching to see. That’s what I love about Doctor Who is one second your laughing & the next second your crying but at the end of episode & season you were definitely entertained by it. Even if this story didn’t make sense or the ending sucked you still walk away with something you enjoyed. This reaction was truly “Fantastic”!
William Hartnell played the First Doctor all those years ago. When his health was deteriorating, they came up with regeneration to keep the show going. The Tenth Doctor’s first words confirm the Doctor is the same person in a new body with a new personality and memories of his past incarnations. The Doctor has multiple regenerations which he has referred to as lives. While the Doctor is still alive, the Doctor technically still died because the Ninth Doctor was dying which triggered regeneration into a new and healed body. However, the Doctor cannot regenerate if he dies instantly. If he’s killed before regeneration then he’s dead. Furthermore, if the Doctor is killed while he’s regenerating, the process fails and the Doctor would die.
James Bond managed without regeneration. I think it's the worst innovation of Doctor Who. An excuse now for sentimental send-offs and an excuse to miscast the role.
@@flaggerify Doctor Who did it with an in universe reason and James Bond did it with an out universe reason. No right or wrong. I disagree with your opinions on regeneration.
@@flaggerify oof... Sounds like you're lumping in the mere concept of regeneration with your disdain for... What? Diverse casting? Over-the-the top dramatic scripting? Listen, there's nothing wrong with regeneration, it's a good way of differentiating the time lords even more from humans, and a way to make the doctor have more of a grand, 'powerful' presence. What I agree with you on is the over dramatic, bad scripting of certain scenes and episodes. That's a writers problem, not to do with regeneration. SPOILERS And the casting? If you're refering to Jodie, I only have quarms with how it was introduced. I would have loved some more in-universe examples of regeneration into different genders or even mention of them, instead of 'oh here's one anecdote about how regeneration can be inter-sex. Oh! Would you look at that! I'm a woman! (Apart from missy, but the master was always a roulette wheel of possibilities.) (Basically, I'd have wanted inter-sex regenerations to be a known thing in the franchise for three or more seasons before they introduced Jodie.) All that to say, you're shifting the blame of bad writing and directing onto 'the concept of regeneration'
One of the most interesting parts about each iteration of The Doctor is that the next one is always influenced by the previous one's actions. 9 here wasn't the version that fought in the Time War, but he's the one dealing with the direct aftermath of it, the one shaped by it, the one that carried the guilt and the rage and all the emotional baggage of it. While later Doctors will also carry that, it is a more distant memory for them vs the freshness 9 experienced. Now that we're on to 10, he is shaped by the experiences and memories of 9, the choices 9 made and Rose's influence on him.
This gets explored in the multi-Doctor specials where the Doctor interacts with one or more of his past regenerations. They are very similar in behavior but have significantly changed emotionally and you can see their evelution. It's what makes Doctor Who continuity so great.
So glad I'm not the only one who starts crying as soon as Eccleston says "I'm not going to see you again..." There's so much pain behind his eyes in that moment. Instant tears
To answer your question. Yes, the Doctor is a new person. Yes, he is still the Doctor. Yes, he has the Doctors memories, because he's still the Doctor.
I explain it like "You're the same person at 50 as you were at 20, even if those three decades have made you think and act way different. Just imagine all that change happens in an instant."
Eccelson's departure was a mess behind the scenes, but the on screen outcome had EVERYTHING to do with the show's success. It prepares us for whats to come. 9 is incredibly likeable, while still being a bit of a dick. It hurts to see him go, but regenerations are an unavoidable fact of Dr. Who. This is why the show has survived for over 60 years.
What you said about Eccelston's Doctor being the type to sacrifice himself is something I always thought too. His doctor seems tortured by the timewar and is simply going on because someone has to
I think 9 would say that it's because someone has to, but I think the real reason is that he continues on simply because he doesn't know what else to do.
I reckon he was a little bit more sad about dying than he let on because he was becoming gradually happier throughout the Season and probably wanted to continue living as he was, but he was still very content with passing as he knew that Rose was okay so he put on a smiling face.
If you loved Eccleston's Doctor this much, I think you'll love Tennant's Doctor, as well. It's hard to explain, but he really feels like the same man, despite being completely different in so many ways. Having Rose there to be the vehicle of the audience, and carry us through that grieving process into acceptance, is a big help. I don't blame you at all for taking a break in between this series and the Christmas special, I don't think anyone would!
Fun fact: the dalek that Jack destroys, is actually the same prop for the dalek in “Dalek”, well, when it’s destroyed. Another fun fact is that there were only 3 dalek props used for this episode
I've heard they used mirrors and things to create the effect of many? I need to look up some BTS filming to see how they pulled that off because the effect is seamless.
They filmed a scene with the props in one position, then re filmed it but with the props somewhere else. They would then stitch them together to create the effect. You can tell since no characters speak when there are more than 3 daleks on screen
That was a very powerful reaction. I watch reactions so people can shed the tears I can't produce. I can get a bit misty-eyed but no more, sad to say. Talking of misty-eyed, though, there's a moment in A Christmas Carol, when Scrooge has changed his ways, when the narrator says: "He became as good a friend, as good a master, and as good a man, as the good old city knew, or any other good old city, town, or borough, in the good old world." and last January I saw Chris Eccleston play the part of Scrooge at the Old Vic in London. So much did he inhabit the miserly, miserable Scrooge of the main part of the play, that when he turned it was like a like a light coming on. As Chris danced down the stage throwing out gifts, I must admit I had a little tear in my eye. There's another Doctor Who alumnus playing the part this Christmas, but you're nowhere near meeting him (or her?) yet. I suspect I may be tempted to go again.
Got to love a really genuine heartfelt reaction. And also the message you take away from the show and Christopher's time on it. Quite right on that understanding, I think. I don't know him, obviously, beyond what we have all seen in his performances and interviews. But I'd like to think this is the sort of thing that would make him, or indeed any actor worth a damn, quite happy. Knowing that the performance (whatever the role may be) was so good, it moved you emotionally. And here specifically, you didn't want to lose him as your Doctor, that you'd miss seeing his face. That he knocked it out of the park so well, that not just younger audiences feel it, but that adults can too.
I forgot just how powerful Billie Pipers acting was especially for her age at the time. That bad wolf scene gave me chills. Eccleston was so so good and I forgot for a long time before you released these episodes! Thank you!
The music in this episode is so fantastic. Murray Gold was brilliant with no budget. Later with huge budget he’s fabulous but give him props on a penny.
My favorite part of Doctor Who is he wins the day using compassion, empathy, surrounding himself with great people, and being the smartest person in the room. Another show that did a similar thing was "The Pretender".
The first regeneration is always the hardest... until the next one. Also, "bollox" literally means "balls" as in testicles. Contextually, it is used when we Americans would use "bullshit." Though something being "the dog's bollox" means it's good, ala "the bees' knees."
You never forget your first Doctor. Mine was Tom Baker, you’ll learn to love each new doctor in new and different ways, this is the magic that is Dr Who!
The sad part is knowing that Christopher Eckleson loved playing the doctor however due to terrible working conditions and misconduct he was forced to leave the show due to his morals. Apparently he tried many times to speak up about certain issues, but everything was ignored. I’m glad that he still loves the Doctor as a character even with all of the mistreatment onset
Parting Ways is never easy. It stings that Eccleston felt and feels so sour about his experience that he has never come back. But I am thankful for his time on the show. He brought the Doctor back from the brink of permanent cancelation.
At least he's started to feel better about the experience in general, in that he did finally agree to do Big Finish audios (where he has some pretty good adventures.) Apparently he enjoyed that experience, so I'm still hopeful that someday he'll agree to make an appearance on the show in some capacity.
@@SuperDrocket He's made it clear in recent years that his beef is not with the *show*, but rather with specific people - Hence being fine with doing Big Finish (totally separate production team). Right now, those same people are back running the show again, so until that changes he won't go back.
Eccleston was my first Doctor and I cried and had serious emotional wreckage from his goodbye. He's my favorite. I find that with every regeneration, I resent the Doctor coming in and have to mourn the Doctor who _was_ before I can settle in and learn to love the next one. David Tennant was amazing and my second favorite. After riding for 3 series and all the specials with him... the letting go almost broke me. I was set to despise Matt Smith and I did not want to like him. For the first few episodes I huddled in my grief and then I realized he was amazing in his own way. Don't be surprised that you have to actually take time to grieve the character before moving on. And it moves on so quickly, sometimes it takes us a minute to catch up emotionally. I love this show! And your reactions make me so happy!! I get to enjoy it for the first time all over again!!! ❤ thank you 💐
Meant to add, it's nice to have a kindred spirit who sobs at the same things. I LOVE his "daft old face." Bf tried to understand what I saw in him and all I could say was "he FILLS the room. His personality, whether he's brooding or joking or angry... it's purely magnetic. And when he smiles... ... the sun comes out at midnight. That's the only analogy I can think of. His entire face morphs into something beautiful! It lights up his face and you really can't help but smile back. Sorry for fangirling all over your comments ol. 😂😂 ❤❤❤ Have a wonderful time on your holiday when you go, stay safe 😊
Christopher Eccleston was fantastic, but you know what? So were you! Great reactions to this it reminded me why I fell in love with Doctor Who with all the emotions and some fantastic stories and cheesy aliens and all.
It’s so sad that there were so many things going on behind the scenes for Christopher Eccleston during his time as The Doctor, because he absolutely killed it in the role. He really was, and still is, “fantastic”.
Thank you for sharing your journey with us. ❤ "It's a horrible way to say hello." It really is! Stepping on as a new Doctor must be SO hard, because everyone is busy mourning the last one. But as you know, Tennant is adored, so you're in good hands. And I'm glad you took a day (or more) to mourn, so that you can come to the new Doctor with excitement and an open heart instead of just grief.
@@funnylilgalreacts I don't think I've gotten over a single Doctor's passing until the next one passes. You will get there, and then it'll happen again. It's the curse of Doctor Who.
@@adamcarlson2192 Nah, I'm still not over 12 and I can't get halfway through 13 in order to get to the passing to restart the process. Writing went to shit so hard that as far as I'm concerned, 12 is the last doctor. Edit: And I saw that David Tennant somehow came back as 14....I couldn't possibly care.
I love Nine’s regeneration. His farewell is so warm and comforting. Even triumphant. He found closure. After suffering alone for a long time over his actions at the end of the Time War, he chose to be a “coward” over a killer. After thinking he will never meet another Time Lord again whom he could relate to, he had a moment of connection with someone (Bad Wolf Rose) who fully understood how he, a Time Lord, experiences the world (ie. “that’s what I see!”). After being alone and thinking he didn’t deserve love and companionship, he found Rose, someone who looked into the heart of the Tardis for him and told him “I want you safe, my Doctor.” He traded his life (as his Ninth incarnation) for someone he loved and cherished and who loved and cherished him back.
The reason for the Doctor’s regeneration doesn’t really work, in that Rose had the time vortex inside her a lot longer than the Doctor did, yet every cell in his body is dying, but that doesn’t happen to Rose? Bit of a cop out, really. It would have been better had the Emperor Dalek fired it’s gun at him, which leads to his eventual regeneration. Rose could still have the time vortex inside her, and she can still dispatch the Daleks, but it would have been neat if the Emperor Dalek had thought he’d killed the Doctor before he too had been exterminated. Have to say that Tennant’s, Smith’s and Capaldi’s regenerations have better reasons as to why they regenerate. It’s just a pity Christopher Eccleston’s Doctor didn’t go out in a better way than he did! Chris was a great Doctor but IMO David is better. He has more emotional stories during his run than Chris did (not Chris’ fault having only done one season), but David also seems to handle the humour better as well.
Ok someone needs to send Angela that “life cycle of doctor who” meme, the one that goes in a little circle from “waah I miss the old doctor” to “this new guy is ok” to “noooo you can’t take him!” over and over again. 😊
So I watched the show as it came out in 2005 when i was 10 years old. I had no idea regeneration was a thing so didn't know I was losing Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor. It was a very sad day. I love all of the Doctors for different reasons but he will always be My Doctor ❤
Here's a fun fact to help with the pain. This episode titled The Parting of the Ways is the 'birth' of David Tennant as The Doctor. David Tennant also played the role of Barty Crouch Jr in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. In the books, his character dies in a chapter titled The Parting of the Ways. Fun coincidence 😊
You will love Tennant and the further Doctors, you may even find one of them to be your favourite but you will never forget your first. 12 is my favourite but if i close my eyes and think of the Doctor, its Eccelstons face thats there
I had a friend who died and he used to have the same reaction when every new Doctor comes in. You reminded me of him today and I really appreciate you for that.
Everyone has their favorite Doctor (mine’s Capaldi) and it’s always hard to let go of ‘your’ Doctor, there’s always crying at the regeneration of ‘your’ Doctor.
This is one of my favourite stories of all time. Just an absolutely astonishing piece of television. You've got so much ahead of you, but it's been an absolute joy watching your reactions week by week, and you'll never forget your first Doctor :')
so now you know, whenever a timelord is mortally wounded or even reaching the natural end of their life, they enter into a regeneration cycle that changes them into a new version of themselves. they are still the same being with the same memories but their form and personality changes. now that you know that you might remember there was a scene in episode one where he looked at a mirror and made a comment about his ears, because that was the first time the doctor had seen his Christopher Eccleston face.
But don't worry. You'll love David Tennant as the 10th Doctor. And he gets a much longer run so won't have to worry about saying goodbye to him for quite some time.
12:46 I’ve read the script for this episode and whenever I see this shot now I always think of how the script describes it with all of the Doctor’s 900 years on his face
There is a charity minisode which was released and set, between this episode and the Christmas special, which isn’t compulsory, but well worth a watch. Christoper was indeed Fantastic, and would be good to have had more of him. For those of us who have gone through this process numerous times now, welcome to your first experience of the regeneration stages of grief cycle. They are always sad/happy moments.
What makes Eccelston's departure even sadder is that it was likely connected with mental health issues he was having at the time. The fact that he was able to give such great performances even while struggling through all is simply amazing.
Weren’t the mental health issues complete lies from the BBC at the time when Eccleston and the BBC fell out? Genuinely asking. Or was that just them saying he was ‘tired’ of the intensity of the role?
I’m pretty sure these were lies RTD and the BBC fabricated. Eccleston has been very outspoken with his distain for how his departure was handled, and RTD in general.
@@Vin_Venture896 Christopher was really struggling with his ED whilst filming DW, however him leaving was fully due to his issues with BBC staff including RTD and resulted in him being blacklisted which is why he was rarely seen on tv afterwards.
I thought Bad Wolf was explained. "Time Vortex Rose" sent a message to herself in the past that she knew would lead Rose down the path to becoming "Time Vortex Rose." From another perspective, Rose saw those words scattered through time and then as she was about to give up on rescuing the Doctor, she saw them again. That inspired her to believe that getting back to the Doctor was possible. She then later absorbed the Time Vortex and used her power to scatter those words to the points in time where she previously saw them, to inspire herself. As for why the words "Bad Wolf" were chosen, it could have been any phrase that Rose would have noticed, it just happened to be "Bad Wolf."
@@funnylilgalreacts I see. Okay, I think it satisfies me as a sensible explanations, but we all absorb these things in different ways. You're gonna come to love Tennant's doctor too, if that helps you.
“Too quick in pace and a little contrived” pretty much sums up all of Doctor Who and that’s exactly what makes it so wonderful!! It gives them a chance to tell such a massive breadth of stories!!
I’ve just discovered your reactions and I’m so happy! Been watching after work for the past week. I’m so so happy to see your reaction to his regeneration, I love that you were emotional even before it started! So nice to see you enjoy the show so much ❤
Watching this episode, when he regenerated I was like " I don’t want Tennant anymore, give me back my Ninth Doctor 😭". Even though Tennant was the reason I started watching the show 😅
Oh, I feel you so much!😭🫂 Christopher technically was my proper first Doctor, too (after an Ep or 2 with DT), so this was my first regeneration and it still hits me so so hard! Thank you for these reactions! Can't wait for you to discover all the devistating, captivating, thrilling, fantastic, brilliant adventures to come! 💙ALLONS-Y!💙
While Christmas Invasion aired in the US on September 29, 2006, it originally aired on Christmas Day, 2005 in the UK. Also, this episode aired in the UK on June 18, 2005 and in the US on June 9, 2006, so while UK viewers had 6 months between episodes, US viewers (at least those who weren't sailing the high seas) had less than four.
For me, my Dad was a huge fan of Doctor Who when he was a kid so when it got relaunched, he showed it to us and he really loves the new stuff actually🥰 I was too young to watch along with Eccelston’s series so my first doctor is actually Tennant, so he has that special place in my heart that Eccelston will have for you. The thing to appreciate with every doctor is that they all respect the title, they all respect their predecessor and don’t try to copy how they played the role, instead they make it their own❤ so you can love different stuff with each of them, but also miss and love the previous one. I’m happy for you and this journey you have now officially started with your first regeneration👏🏼❤️❤️
There is a Doctor Who podcast called "Verity", and they often refer to Russell T Davies season finales as getting your heart ripped out, set on fire, thrown against a wall and then stamped on... You go through ALL the emotions in one episode... I am glad to be able to re-experience these episodes through your reactions... GB, D
I love that podcast! [HIGH-FIVES YOU FOR GOOD TASTE] (It's actually "Verity!", with the exclamation mark. Because how could you *not* have an exclamation mark? =;o} )
Christopher Eccleston is a too often overlooked treasure. He was a great doctor who doesn’t get the respect he deserves. I brought the show back and reestablished all the rules for a new audience, including that the Doctor regenerates. He was always doomed to last only a single series, but he was a great Doctor while it lasted.
As of now, I have not watched the Christmas episodes, so please do not put any spoilers in the comments.
EDIT: I have watched it and The Children in Need Special (sorry, forgot to update this!)
Hope you enjoyed season one! Christopher Eccleston was also my first Doctor so I'm always sad to see him go, but David Tennant has arguably the best era, so you're in for a ride.
I wore a t shirt very similar to yours when I went to florida 6 or 7 years ago (I'm from the uk) and I was like a minor celebrity!! People kept coming up to me in ride queues and complimenting me! Literally constantly all day! A few even wanted a pic with me wearing the t shirt!!! I wore it twice in 2 weeks but my wife got a bit annoyed by the attention so I stopped!! Lol
Fair enough but the Xmas episodes are often important and need to be watched before the coming season.... that's the same each year pretty much...
Its always sad to see Eccelstone come to an end but you must always remember: Everything ends, and its always sad but everything begins again too & that's always happy.... be happy
Oh no! You absolutely NEED to watch the Christmas episode. It's the bridge to S2. Also, no one has ever made me cry BEFORE a reaction until today.
The cycle of doctor who:
Who’s this weirdo, I want X back -> okay, they’re growing on me… -> i love them… -> nooo, don’t go -> who’s this weirdo, I want X back.
I guess I'm lucky to have gone from Tom Baker to Jon Pertwee. So my first viewed Regeneration was to a familiar face.
Pretty much
Brilliant!
RIGHT!!!! LOL!!!! RIGHT!!!! LOL!!!!!
@@johnniequinn3215 you mean Jon to Tom? Considering Jon was the 3rd and Tom was the 4th
There are two doctors you never forget. One is your favorite. The other is your first. Sometimes they're the same.
David Tennant has said in interviews that the main reason he became an actor, was so that he could play The Doctor.
From that to becoming one of the most beloved Doctors in all of DW, classic or new. Not everyone gets to live their dreams, but Tennant sure did
@@pabloc8808 He's been brilliant in everything he's been in, especially getting to play a psychotic villain in Killgrave in Jessica Jones, he's the only good thing about that show imo, I'd love to see him play villains more often
@thatlonewolfguy2878
He was a badguy in a Harry Potter movie too.
@@thatlonewolfguy2878 idk if you've seen Inside Man but let me tell you, Tennant is absolutely brilliant on that one. If you break it down, it's not the best written show ever, but Tennant and Tucci carry the entire thing like it's weightless
And he plays a great Doctor Who
Don't forget you're watching a show about time travel. You saw the moment Rose scatters the Bad Wolf words throughout space and time. It was a message she left for her past self so that she realizes what she needs to do. It was Super Rose closing a causal loop.
or how i like to think of it, a paradox of her own creation
@@leonidasrising5998 That it is. It's an example of a bootstrap paradox.
@@corvus1970 as with Jack(if you know, you know....no spoilers)
Not many people get it, but Rose was actually possessed by the Tardis and was speaking as the Tardis,
@@corvus1970 Bootstrap paradoxes aren't _actually_ paradoxes because they're logically consistent. A leads to B leads to C leads to A, there's no contradiction there unless you insist that time travel isn't possible.
"You were fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. And you know what? So was I!”
Eccleston was going through a lot of things both personally and during production, but he still gave a fantastic performance for his 13 episodes
The subtext is "You know what? I'm finally the Doctor again."
As much as I lived him and, to be sure, he was what brought me into the show, I have trouble forgiving him for letting money get in the way.
@@kennethpryde966he's talked about his time on the show a lot- his exit was not about money at all. He was going through a lot personally at the time and he had issues with a lot of how the production was handled/people that were working on the show were treated
@@kennethpryde966 I don't think it was just a money thing, his tensions with production made the job less than fun for him in general.
@@kennethpryde966 it had nothing to do with money. There were a lot of problems (including what went on with Noel Clarke and John Barrowman- sexual harassment of crew & exhibitionism). The director of the first filming block of 2 episodes including "Rose" put the crew at risk by telling them to toss a burning sofa out of a building and Eccelston complained about unsafe working conditions. Unfortunately, the senior management including Russell T. Davies didn't back him (although modern Who never used that director again.) The relationship between Eccleston and senior management never recovered. As well, his anorexia was really bad in this period (not helped by the praise he got for looking "chiseled"). If you look at the shirtless scene in Dalek, you can see his ribs. His father (with whom he was very close) was dying during this season and during Father's Day filming, he got time off to attend his dad's funeral. He and senior management agreed he'd finish the season and handle his departure without criticizing each other. Unfortunately they later undercut this agreement by saying he was "exhausted" which damaged his career & he couldn't get acting work in the UK for 3 years. In recent years, he talked more about Who and does cons and Big Finish. However he has said he'll not return as long as Russell T. Davis or Julie Gartner are involved.
"Fantastic" has been a key part of my vocabulary for over almost 15 years, and Eccleston is the reason why
"Please dont be Cardiff" out of context is really funny 14:16
@@PokemonEmppu then the reaction of disappointment to seeing “Cardiff” immediately after🤣🤣 All love to this amazing woman, but that made cackle hahaha!!
Speaking of, we'll need to explain Aberdeen
@@hunrahelAll you need to know is it’s next to Croydon.
Someone really ought to gently remind her that Rose is from London, which is not the same place as Cardiff.
Then again, with things this way she's about as geographically confused as The Doctor can be at times, so there is that.
I've never felt so terrible laughing at someone's grief.
"new teeth, that's weird!". Think back to Eccleston's first episode in Rose's apartment when he was checking out his own new face. "Look at the ears!"
I kinda love how each version (at least up until matt smith, I fell off the series during his run) kinda rips on his new form a little, lol.
As an 'old time' fan way back to 1963, this line always annoys me; he has gone through regeneration multiple times and, as his comments in the opening episode suggest he was newly regenerated, the most recent was only a very short time earlier. New teeth shouldn't be 'weird' or even unexpected in the circumstances!
@@MrPaulMorris You’re right it’s not his first rodeo, but maybe you’d also agree that you can be flustered or disoriented early on in the process.
KIDNEYS
@@MrPaulMorris you can expect new features and still have literally new teeth in your mouth feel weird
This is the first time I've seen someone cry BEFORE the episode starts! 😭 💜
I was DREADING it
I was coming to say this, This is s the kind of feelings this show can generate. Just the anticipation...
You should watch Tara's Never Seen's "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" reaction. Admittedly, it's like a few seconds in, but she apparently loves dolphins, and the first 5 minutes of the movie is AT LEAST half of the reaction. Crying and laughing and just becoming a hilarious mess.
@@knavehart :)
This show is going to ruin her, haha!
"What a horrible way to say goodbye.
What a horrible way to say hello."
Girl, that's Doctor Who.
S06e04 is the definition of those sentences
Your first doctor is special! Eccleston was my first doctor too.
"You were fantastic. So was I."
See you 3,600 seconds before noon.
Eccleston is most peoples first doctor in the current age, and he did such an amazing job getting people back into the show. An amazing actor.
My first one was Mr.McCoy - a German TV station showed his episodes, it was the first time the Doctor was on German TV. Sadly they completely effed up their whole schedule: Episodes ran at the wrong times (like I programmed my VCR to record one and it started too early and all I got was the last 5 minutes) and they got the order of some episodes wrong... Still was enjoying it.
Later I got to see Tom Baker episodes and he would have been my Doctor when I was a kid in the 70s - and it totally hit me right in the nostalgia, even though it's the first time I saw it with 30 or so.
There is a lot of good in the new series - you wait till you get to know Tennant. And the one after him and so forth. You'll hate the current one go each time, but the next will be so well written and acted each time and have their own personality quirks that, as hard as it is to believe, it'll get better and better. :D
All the colleagues of Mr. Eccleston who follow in him occupying the role of the Doctor do a GREAT job as well and for quite some time the series will be simply amazing. :)
Love that line.
Mine was Matt Smith. Just finished the 9th doctors season for the first time and moving on to 10, and I have to say I liked it a lot more than I thought. I knew I would, but I have sooo much love for Smith I thought it would taint it. I still love Smith as my number 1 Doctor, but Eccelston is so amazing
Bad Wolf is a bootstrapped, self fulfilling prophecy. It makes itself happen. The message drives Rose to become Bad Wolf, write the message across time and space, so she sees the message to go become Bad Wolf to write the message and save the Doctor. It's like if you invented time travel and someone traveled to you in the machine you created, and you invented the thing by looking at the thing you already invented.
This is why it's called a "bootstrap paradox"- who invented it? Apparently some things create themselves.
Not to be confused with a Predestination Paradox
"Starting a whole new relationship with a new person...." You just described one constant truth of Doctor Who.
Stage 1: I hate this new guy 2: he is ok, but the last guy was better 3: BEST DOCTOR EVER 4:No! this is not how you replace him 5: Regenerate - Go back to stage 1
There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong in being emotional about seeing your doctor go away. I bawled like a baby when my favorite doctors left the show. And a lot of people forget the Christopher Eccleston did a lot of heavy lifting coming back as the doctor for the first series after the show went on hiatus for a long time. He helped make people care about Doctor who again. So let those tears flow, it's a very emotional episode.
"This was both contrived and emotionally devastating." Yep. That's Doctor Who.
The RTD special.
Pretty much par for the course.
Yes. RTD is a master of the feels, but not as strong on plot and story resolution. He goes magic/deus ex machina over and over. When Stephen Moffat takes over story and structure and plot get better, but character beats get a bit more glib and maybe a bit less deep. Personally I think Moffat is the best show runner of the modern era, but the very best episodes are the ones he penned under RTD as the show runner. YMMV.
The bipolar formula of the series.
@@evilpenguinmas That is often considered the best combination of writer and showrunner.
Christopher Eccleston quitting after just one season is the greatest tragedy in the show’s history
I mean if he didn't, we wouldn't have gotten David Tennant, or at least would have gotten him later on. It sucks that Eccleston had such a rotten time on the show and left after just the 1 series/season - but it is what it is and things turned out the way they did and how we've been watching all these years. It would be nice if RTD (or that other producer Eccleston really had the big issues with) could somehow make things good with Eccleston and hey maybe if they could, we could get his Doctor to return to close that chapter after all these years. Probably not, but one can hope.
As I understand it, Jonathan Nathen Turner was responsible for killing DW at the premature end of the classic era. He cut funding, which obviously affected production values, and then was unforgiving when viewership dropped in response using that as proof that the “British public were tired of this fanciful, make-believe programming” or some such-and swung the axe.
Surely that was more calamitous than an actor, however valued, not getting on with a show’s producers. At least the season ended in a way respectful of both the show AND the actor. It’s really unfortunate CE was so embittered he wouldn’t consider returning for any of the multiple Doctor specials under different producers/directors but… (there’s one in particular I have in mind but it would Hurt to say it).
@@LordLOC can’t stand Tennant.
There, I said it.
@@joerosenman3480 show had turned into a pantomime in the 80s. Axing it was doing it a favour. Needs axing now for a while.
@@stormhawk3319 You know what they say about opinions…
I don’t think there was anything fundamentally wrong with the Doctor or Ace. The writing, yeah. The production budget, absolutely. It was in shoddy shape but entirely fixable. Turner had an agenda, set about killing it and I gather was frustrated it took so long to die! Judging Doctor’s 6 & 7 has to be done within the increasingly sour politics (towards the franchise) at the BBC. The movie was a half-hearted hail Mary that the BBC never really invested in-if it was a huge hit they’d own it, otherwise…
In the context of the success of New Who-which has had its own ups & downs but at least not from the BBC pulling support-18 years with a few gaps compares well with the full run of original Who. The most notable difference is the number of episodes: back in ‘63 there were 23 or something like that! That number has gradually, slowly gone down. New Who started out at 13 a season plus a Christmas special but after a few seasons that too began to change little by little. Consider what a season of Disney Who has?
Speaking of: don’t you all think it would make better sense to “officially” refer to classic who has simply, DW, new who as Doctor Who 2, and Disney Who as Doctor Who 3? I know Disney wants/expects to rebrand DW simply as DW 1:1 restarting the series count but… blech! A lie doesn’t make the truth disappear. Maybe Disney Who would be more successful if they were more welcoming of the pre-existing fan base. It may be symbolic but it’s still meaningful.
The DW Stages of Grief:
1) Denial: 'No! I can't believe my Doctor is gone!'
2) Bargaining: 'Please! PLEASE don't let him be gone!'
3) Anger: 'I HATE this new Doctor! I want my old Doctor!'
4) Depression: 'Fine, then. I'll give the new Doctor a chance.'
5) Acceptance: 'OMG! I LOVE this new Doctor!'
13/14 stop at #3
@@martinholt8168 every single time 🤣
@@Kestrel1971 Why? 13 had a lot of good episodes and was well acted, and 14's specials were fun. 15 has been brilliant - and if you can't even get the numbering right, then you're probably just once of the serial complainers the interent has sprouted. I've been watching Doctor Who since way before the '05 relaunch and I've been enjoying every part.
@bmyattuk 13 had 2 episodes I liked, the second special for 14 was decent and I haven't bother passed the first episode of 15. I think the writers and showrunners have done nothing to help themselves with the numbering, can't dismiss someone for not getting it right.
@@blankbitofpaper 13 was a great doctor, but suffered bad writing, 15 is one of the best doctors ever.
To try to explain Bad Wolf, it’s essentially a bootstrap paradox. The Tardis, which can exist across all time and space, inhabit Rose and through her plucked the words at random from the corporation’s name and scattered them through time and space across Rose’s timeline as hints to her, culminating in all the graffiti at the end, to prompt her to open the Tardis console so she could be flooded with the time vortex and return to the Doctor (so she could then scatter the words across time and space… etc). Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey, as we say.
The Tardis does what the Tardis needs to.
She said "I create myself", as she is the Bad Wolf. The messages left throughout her timeline led her to opening the TARDIS console, which turns Rose into the Bad Wolf. She created herself, because her own changes to time led her here, like the grandfather paradox.
It was all she could do in The Moment.
@@robertcathles Not exactly. Rose and Bad Wolf are two connected, but separate beings, with BW manifesting herself in and through Rose.
@@robertcathles It is a bootstrap paradox not a grandfather paradox.
The Grandfather Paradox is a negating paradox or undone time travel - think möbius strip - you end at the same place it all started and it either starts over again in perpetuity or something causes a change so that the time travel never happens in the first place; bootstrap is a different type that leads to itself/has no origin and always happen. Predestination Paradox is another type too but that requires an attempt to undo but actually cause.
There are many types of paradoxes.
When I heard you say, "WHAT PROCESS!?", I thought, "Oh my dear sweet child there is so much PTSD you are going to love and hate at the same time." There is so much Doctor Who I want to see you watch
Haha right so much to enjoy
lets go on the adventure again!!!! i just rewatched everything again finally cuaght up lol
I just know she’s going to cry at every regeneration 😂
@@dylancole1910 ESPECIALLY Capaldi's regeneration
I watched this series during the worst year of my life. My auntie, who was really more like a mother to me, died suddenly, My marriage collapsed and I became a single parent. My mom had yet another bout with cancer. My grandmother died on Christmas Day. But it was the Doctor, this Doctor, that kept me going. He just never gave up, even when he wanted to, He kept fighting because he's a hero, and that's what they do no matter the consequences. Ecceleston is not my favorite NuWho Doctor (We are a Matt Smith house), but damn, Chris got me through some hard times, and I will always love him for it. Thank you for loving him.
There's a lot to love about this episode - the Doctor hologram, the chat with Jackie/Rose in the TARDIS. But I really like Eccleston's lines when he was explaining regeneration to Rose. "It means I'm going to change." It was written to all the 8-year-old viewers of the show, experiencing it for the first time.
I’ve seen this regeneration scene 50 times and I still get emotional every single time. It’s hard saying goodbye to a doctor but I usually end up smiling seeing the new doctor appear. It’s a rollercoaster of emotions!
My favorite is the Tennet/Smith regeneration. Gut wrenching/joyous chaos.
Jon Pertwee's regeneration was the saddest in my opinion.
Daleks: We have religion.
The Doctor: They've gone mad!
I think the Doctor's line of just "Coward, any day" really just sums up what his whole character has been about this season.
Here's this guy, fresh from the most devastating war possible where he personally had a hand in doing unthinkable, terrible things. He's tired. He's bitter. He's angry.
But then he meets Rose.
And they go on their little adventures and save lives and make new friends.
And then, when the Doctor is once again presented with the opportunity to cause an extinction, he says no. He's changed his mind.
Everyone always talks about how being with the Doctor makes them a better person. It's so rare to see the Doctor becoming a better person because of his companions. I love Tenant's doctor, and Matt Smith's doctor, I love all of them. But to me, nothing will ever quite top Eccleston's Doctor being so excited that he's finally become a coward.
I think of Eccestien as the Doctor with PTSD
Beautiful analysis; I love Nine most of all!
Yep War Doctor needed Rose.
@@kelb76100%
The Doctor becoming a better person because of his companions dates back to the 1960s with the First Doctor's adventures with Susan, Ian and Barbara.
27:47 - The Doctor: They've got dogs with no noses. Ha, ha, ha, ha!
27:50 - flg: That sounds awful. How will you boop?
No joke. I wish Rose spoke that last line.
Rose lives in London. Every time we see Rose at home, with Jackie and Mickey, that's London. They went to Cardiff twice in Series 1--in the past when they met the Gelth and when they fueled up the TARDIS at the Rift.
Technically it was 90% filmed in Cardiff.
@fayesouthall6604 yeah but in-universe they're not in Cardiff often
@@memoryfoam2285 true
You've said goodbye to your first doctor, you're now a true fan.
You'll not want to see a new doctor, you'll not be sure of them, grow to love them, then not want to say goodbye to them.
The concept of the Doctor cheating death by regenerating is what has kept Doctor Who going since 1963. The appearance changes, there are new personality traits, but the memories remain and every incarnation is the same Time Lord. I really hope you watch the Children in Need special that follows "Parting of the Ways" before watching "The Christmas Invasion", since the Doctor explains the change and the concept of Regeneration to Rose in that.
Really, since 1966... Regeneration was not a concept when the show first started.
@@kivimik It wasn't called regeneration until "Planet of the Spiders" in 1974, but you're correct. It was conceived in 1966 when Hartnell was too ill to continue in the role, and they needed to replace him. At the time, they called it a "renewal".
Thank you. Seriously, thank you for using the term "incarnation." So many fans refer to his individual lives as "regenerations" (and even the series itself has flubbed this one), which just sets my teeth on edge. Regeneration is the process, not the person.
@@kivimik - Obviously I know that mate. I've been watching Doctor Who since in began in 1963. I was a 2 year old sitting on my Mums knee watching the first episode. My meaning was that Doctor Who has been going since 1963, but it might have finished in 66 when Hartnell left if they hadn't come up with concept of changing the Doctor's appearance to bring in a new lead actor. The term "Regeneration" wasn't actually used until "Planet of the Spiders, btw, when the 3rd Doctor regenerated into the 4th.
Doctors, James Bond, and lovers have one thing in common, you will always have a special place in your heart for your first but you will quickly love the next one and then mourn when they leave too.
Christopher Eccleston...forever changing the way you say "Fantastic"
*"They Survived Through Me!"*
Chills, everytime.
Welcome to the Tenth Doctor era, you're in for a ride.
Out of all the people who have reacted to this episode I personally think this my favorite. To see the genuine love for a Doctor and the tears for the loss of a Doctor is touching to see. That’s what I love about Doctor Who is one second your laughing & the next second your crying but at the end of episode & season you were definitely entertained by it. Even if this story didn’t make sense or the ending sucked you still walk away with something you enjoyed. This reaction was truly “Fantastic”!
William Hartnell played the First Doctor all those years ago. When his health was deteriorating, they came up with regeneration to keep the show going.
The Tenth Doctor’s first words confirm the Doctor is the same person in a new body with a new personality and memories of his past incarnations.
The Doctor has multiple regenerations which he has referred to as lives. While the Doctor is still alive, the Doctor technically still died because the Ninth Doctor was dying which triggered regeneration into a new and healed body.
However, the Doctor cannot regenerate if he dies instantly. If he’s killed before regeneration then he’s dead. Furthermore, if the Doctor is killed while he’s regenerating, the process fails and the Doctor would die.
James Bond managed without regeneration. I think it's the worst innovation of Doctor Who. An excuse now for sentimental send-offs and an excuse to miscast the role.
@@flaggerify Doctor Who did it with an in universe reason and James Bond did it with an out universe reason. No right or wrong. I disagree with your opinions on regeneration.
"Even if I change, it still feels like dying. Everything I am dies. Some new man goes sauntering away... and I'm dead."
@@tycol322 exactly. Even though he’s still alive he still dies because it’s either old age or a mortal injury that causes regeneration.
@@flaggerify oof... Sounds like you're lumping in the mere concept of regeneration with your disdain for... What? Diverse casting? Over-the-the top dramatic scripting?
Listen, there's nothing wrong with regeneration, it's a good way of differentiating the time lords even more from humans, and a way to make the doctor have more of a grand, 'powerful' presence.
What I agree with you on is the over dramatic, bad scripting of certain scenes and episodes. That's a writers problem, not to do with regeneration.
SPOILERS
And the casting? If you're refering to Jodie, I only have quarms with how it was introduced. I would have loved some more in-universe examples of regeneration into different genders or even mention of them, instead of 'oh here's one anecdote about how regeneration can be inter-sex. Oh! Would you look at that! I'm a woman! (Apart from missy, but the master was always a roulette wheel of possibilities.)
(Basically, I'd have wanted inter-sex regenerations to be a known thing in the franchise for three or more seasons before they introduced Jodie.)
All that to say, you're shifting the blame of bad writing and directing onto 'the concept of regeneration'
You always remember your first Doctor.
Like you, Christopher Eccleston was my first, and he forever holds a special place in my heart.
My dog's got no nose.
"But how will you boop?"
...awful?
How does it smell? Bloody awful.
I live how much you love Christopher Eccleston. He's my favourite of the New Who docs. He was the perfect choice to relaunch this amazing show
One of the most interesting parts about each iteration of The Doctor is that the next one is always influenced by the previous one's actions. 9 here wasn't the version that fought in the Time War, but he's the one dealing with the direct aftermath of it, the one shaped by it, the one that carried the guilt and the rage and all the emotional baggage of it. While later Doctors will also carry that, it is a more distant memory for them vs the freshness 9 experienced. Now that we're on to 10, he is shaped by the experiences and memories of 9, the choices 9 made and Rose's influence on him.
Well, we don't know which Doctor fought in the Time War. The Eighth? The Ninth? Both? Perhaps time will tell...
This gets explored in the multi-Doctor specials where the Doctor interacts with one or more of his past regenerations. They are very similar in behavior but have significantly changed emotionally and you can see their evelution. It's what makes Doctor Who continuity so great.
@@andrewgwilliam4831 Well it's implied in "Rose" that he recently regenerated when he looks in the mirror and hates his ears
@@kateorgera5907 That's how we all understood it, but RTD has weirdly claimed that wasn't the intention. Go figure!
@@andrewgwilliam4831 We do, though the 50th anniversary answers that question.
So glad I'm not the only one who starts crying as soon as Eccleston says "I'm not going to see you again..."
There's so much pain behind his eyes in that moment. Instant tears
To answer your question. Yes, the Doctor is a new person. Yes, he is still the Doctor. Yes, he has the Doctors memories, because he's still the Doctor.
basically gandalf the grey going white.
kinda😂
I explain it like "You're the same person at 50 as you were at 20, even if those three decades have made you think and act way different. Just imagine all that change happens in an instant."
@@Mayeur000Donz Yes! That was exactly how I described it to someone. It's abrupt enough you would experience a sort of loss & mourning for yourself.
@@CyberBeep_kenshithat is and EXCELLENT way to describe it!
@@MarieGarrett. cheers:)
Eccelson's departure was a mess behind the scenes, but the on screen outcome had EVERYTHING to do with the show's success. It prepares us for whats to come.
9 is incredibly likeable, while still being a bit of a dick. It hurts to see him go, but regenerations are an unavoidable fact of Dr. Who. This is why the show has survived for over 60 years.
What you said about Eccelston's Doctor being the type to sacrifice himself is something I always thought too. His doctor seems tortured by the timewar and is simply going on because someone has to
I think 9 would say that it's because someone has to, but I think the real reason is that he continues on simply because he doesn't know what else to do.
I reckon he was a little bit more sad about dying than he let on because he was becoming gradually happier throughout the Season and probably wanted to continue living as he was, but he was still very content with passing as he knew that Rose was okay so he put on a smiling face.
If you loved Eccleston's Doctor this much, I think you'll love Tennant's Doctor, as well. It's hard to explain, but he really feels like the same man, despite being completely different in so many ways. Having Rose there to be the vehicle of the audience, and carry us through that grieving process into acceptance, is a big help. I don't blame you at all for taking a break in between this series and the Christmas special, I don't think anyone would!
Fun fact: the dalek that Jack destroys, is actually the same prop for the dalek in “Dalek”, well, when it’s destroyed. Another fun fact is that there were only 3 dalek props used for this episode
I've heard they used mirrors and things to create the effect of many?
I need to look up some BTS filming to see how they pulled that off because the effect is seamless.
Identical enemies are easy on the budget.
They filmed a scene with the props in one position, then re filmed it but with the props somewhere else. They would then stitch them together to create the effect. You can tell since no characters speak when there are more than 3 daleks on screen
That was a very powerful reaction. I watch reactions so people can shed the tears I can't produce. I can get a bit misty-eyed but no more, sad to say.
Talking of misty-eyed, though, there's a moment in A Christmas Carol, when Scrooge has changed his ways, when the narrator says:
"He became as good a friend, as good a master, and as good a man, as the good old city knew, or any other good old city, town, or borough, in the good old world."
and last January I saw Chris Eccleston play the part of Scrooge at the Old Vic in London. So much did he inhabit the miserly, miserable Scrooge of the main part of the play, that when he turned it was like a like a light coming on. As Chris danced down the stage throwing out gifts, I must admit I had a little tear in my eye.
There's another Doctor Who alumnus playing the part this Christmas, but you're nowhere near meeting him (or her?) yet. I suspect I may be tempted to go again.
"It's been a very emotional five minutes." Man I identify with that.
Got to love a really genuine heartfelt reaction. And also the message you take away from the show and Christopher's time on it. Quite right on that understanding, I think.
I don't know him, obviously, beyond what we have all seen in his performances and interviews. But I'd like to think this is the sort of thing that would make him, or indeed any actor worth a damn, quite happy. Knowing that the performance (whatever the role may be) was so good, it moved you emotionally. And here specifically, you didn't want to lose him as your Doctor, that you'd miss seeing his face. That he knocked it out of the park so well, that not just younger audiences feel it, but that adults can too.
Rose’s speech at the table is so moving. It explains her character arc so well. Better way of living your life.
I forgot just how powerful Billie Pipers acting was especially for her age at the time. That bad wolf scene gave me chills. Eccleston was so so good and I forgot for a long time before you released these episodes! Thank you!
The music in this episode is so fantastic. Murray Gold was brilliant with no budget. Later with huge budget he’s fabulous but give him props on a penny.
1:05 The random insert of John Cena into the Dr Who crying was hilarious 😂
My favorite part of Doctor Who is he wins the day using compassion, empathy, surrounding himself with great people, and being the smartest person in the room.
Another show that did a similar thing was "The Pretender".
When Jackie turns up with Rescue Truck was when she became deeper stronger Iconic character
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The first regeneration is always the hardest... until the next one.
Also, "bollox" literally means "balls" as in testicles. Contextually, it is used when we Americans would use "bullshit." Though something being "the dog's bollox" means it's good, ala "the bees' knees."
@@inkpenavengerYT my favourite version of the dog’s bollocks is the mutt’s nuts.
Never mind the bollocks.
and getting a bollocking means getting reprimanded or admonished and usually has very little to do with testicles, canine or human.
Christopher came back many years later to do new stories with his doctor in audio drama format, they’re fantastic, obviously.
Stay strong! David Tennant's Doctor is worth it
You never forget your first Doctor. Mine was Tom Baker, you’ll learn to love each new doctor in new and different ways, this is the magic that is Dr Who!
All these years later, Christopher Eccleston is still my favorite of the modern Doctors.
Same.
Though the new guy is growing on me fast
Mine too.
The sad part is knowing that Christopher Eckleson loved playing the doctor however due to terrible working conditions and misconduct he was forced to leave the show due to his morals. Apparently he tried many times to speak up about certain issues, but everything was ignored. I’m glad that he still loves the Doctor as a character even with all of the mistreatment onset
Omg yes the Dropout shoutout at the end!! Game Changer is amazing. I've been watching more and more of their shows, and there's so much joyous stuff.
“Please don’t turn into an egg…” 🤣
Parting Ways is never easy. It stings that Eccleston felt and feels so sour about his experience that he has never come back. But I am thankful for his time on the show. He brought the Doctor back from the brink of permanent cancelation.
At least he's started to feel better about the experience in general, in that he did finally agree to do Big Finish audios (where he has some pretty good adventures.) Apparently he enjoyed that experience, so I'm still hopeful that someday he'll agree to make an appearance on the show in some capacity.
@@SuperDrocket He's made it clear in recent years that his beef is not with the *show*, but rather with specific people - Hence being fine with doing Big Finish (totally separate production team). Right now, those same people are back running the show again, so until that changes he won't go back.
Eccleston was my first Doctor and I cried and had serious emotional wreckage from his goodbye. He's my favorite.
I find that with every regeneration, I resent the Doctor coming in and have to mourn the Doctor who _was_ before I can settle in and learn to love the next one. David Tennant was amazing and my second favorite. After riding for 3 series and all the specials with him... the letting go almost broke me. I was set to despise Matt Smith and I did not want to like him. For the first few episodes I huddled in my grief and then I realized he was amazing in his own way.
Don't be surprised that you have to actually take time to grieve the character before moving on. And it moves on so quickly, sometimes it takes us a minute to catch up emotionally.
I love this show! And your reactions make me so happy!! I get to enjoy it for the first time all over again!!! ❤ thank you 💐
Meant to add, it's nice to have a kindred spirit who sobs at the same things. I LOVE his "daft old face."
Bf tried to understand what I saw in him and all I could say was "he FILLS the room. His personality, whether he's brooding or joking or angry... it's purely magnetic. And when he smiles...
... the sun comes out at midnight. That's the only analogy I can think of. His entire face morphs into something beautiful! It lights up his face and you really can't help but smile back.
Sorry for fangirling all over your comments ol.
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Have a wonderful time on your holiday when you go, stay safe 😊
Christopher Eccleston was fantastic, but you know what? So were you! Great reactions to this it reminded me why I fell in love with Doctor Who with all the emotions and some fantastic stories and cheesy aliens and all.
It’s so sad that there were so many things going on behind the scenes for Christopher Eccleston during his time as The Doctor, because he absolutely killed it in the role. He really was, and still is, “fantastic”.
Thank you for sharing your journey with us. ❤
"It's a horrible way to say hello." It really is! Stepping on as a new Doctor must be SO hard, because everyone is busy mourning the last one.
But as you know, Tennant is adored, so you're in good hands. And I'm glad you took a day (or more) to mourn, so that you can come to the new Doctor with excitement and an open heart instead of just grief.
It’s been a month and I still haven’t moved on
@@funnylilgalreacts That's fair! People watching it live had half a year! (Hope you don't take that long, lol.)
@@funnylilgalreacts I don't think I've gotten over a single Doctor's passing until the next one passes. You will get there, and then it'll happen again. It's the curse of Doctor Who.
@@adamcarlson2192 Nah, I'm still not over 12 and I can't get halfway through 13 in order to get to the passing to restart the process. Writing went to shit so hard that as far as I'm concerned, 12 is the last doctor.
Edit: And I saw that David Tennant somehow came back as 14....I couldn't possibly care.
@@lanmandragoran8337 You cared enough to make a generic bash post about it.
I love Nine’s regeneration. His farewell is so warm and comforting. Even triumphant. He found closure. After suffering alone for a long time over his actions at the end of the Time War, he chose to be a “coward” over a killer. After thinking he will never meet another Time Lord again whom he could relate to, he had a moment of connection with someone (Bad Wolf Rose) who fully understood how he, a Time Lord, experiences the world (ie. “that’s what I see!”). After being alone and thinking he didn’t deserve love and companionship, he found Rose, someone who looked into the heart of the Tardis for him and told him “I want you safe, my Doctor.” He traded his life (as his Ninth incarnation) for someone he loved and cherished and who loved and cherished him back.
There’s a short children in need special that’s in between this and the Christmas episode!
I also suggested this, hope she sees and watches it
lol. I read this as "there's a 'short children in need' special". As in, a special for short children in need. 🤦🏻♀😂
@@LadyBeyondTheWall Children in need of uppies.
@@Swenglishwho isn't in need of uppies?
The reason for the Doctor’s regeneration doesn’t really work, in that Rose had the time vortex inside her a lot longer than the Doctor did, yet every cell in his body is dying, but that doesn’t happen to Rose? Bit of a cop out, really. It would have been better had the Emperor Dalek fired it’s gun at him, which leads to his eventual regeneration. Rose could still have the time vortex inside her, and she can still dispatch the Daleks, but it would have been neat if the Emperor Dalek had thought he’d killed the Doctor before he too had been exterminated.
Have to say that Tennant’s, Smith’s and Capaldi’s regenerations have better reasons as to why they regenerate. It’s just a pity Christopher Eccleston’s Doctor didn’t go out in a better way than he did! Chris was a great Doctor but IMO David is better. He has more emotional stories during his run than Chris did (not Chris’ fault having only done one season), but David also seems to handle the humour better as well.
Ok someone needs to send Angela that “life cycle of doctor who” meme, the one that goes in a little circle from “waah I miss the old doctor” to “this new guy is ok” to “noooo you can’t take him!” over and over again. 😊
So I watched the show as it came out in 2005 when i was 10 years old. I had no idea regeneration was a thing so didn't know I was losing Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor. It was a very sad day.
I love all of the Doctors for different reasons but he will always be My Doctor ❤
Here's a fun fact to help with the pain. This episode titled The Parting of the Ways is the 'birth' of David Tennant as The Doctor. David Tennant also played the role of Barty Crouch Jr in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. In the books, his character dies in a chapter titled The Parting of the Ways. Fun coincidence 😊
You will love Tennant and the further Doctors, you may even find one of them to be your favourite but you will never forget your first. 12 is my favourite but if i close my eyes and think of the Doctor, its Eccelstons face thats there
I had a friend who died and he used to have the same reaction when every new Doctor comes in. You reminded me of him today and I really appreciate you for that.
"I don't want to..." Oh, such a lovely thing to say.
Everyone has their favorite Doctor (mine’s Capaldi) and it’s always hard to let go of ‘your’ Doctor, there’s always crying at the regeneration of ‘your’ Doctor.
This is one of my favourite stories of all time. Just an absolutely astonishing piece of television. You've got so much ahead of you, but it's been an absolute joy watching your reactions week by week, and you'll never forget your first Doctor :')
Doctor Who is the longest running British Sci Fi Drama Series ever. Oh you’re in one hell of a ride’
"Hey, today we're watching Doctor Who." *hide the pain Harold expression*
Thank you so much for loving Christopher Eccleston. He doesnt get enough love in the DW fanbase in my opinion. He was fantastic!
so now you know, whenever a timelord is mortally wounded or even reaching the natural end of their life, they enter into a regeneration cycle that changes them into a new version of themselves. they are still the same being with the same memories but their form and personality changes. now that you know that you might remember there was a scene in episode one where he looked at a mirror and made a comment about his ears, because that was the first time the doctor had seen his Christopher Eccleston face.
You were Fantastic. Absolutely Fantastic.
And you know what? So was I.
Wish we could have had more of 9, but this was a great sendoff.
But don't worry. You'll love David Tennant as the 10th Doctor. And he gets a much longer run so won't have to worry about saying goodbye to him for quite some time.
12:46 I’ve read the script for this episode and whenever I see this shot now I always think of how the script describes it with all of the Doctor’s 900 years on his face
There is a charity minisode which was released and set, between this episode and the Christmas special, which isn’t compulsory, but well worth a watch.
Christoper was indeed Fantastic, and would be good to have had more of him.
For those of us who have gone through this process numerous times now, welcome to your first experience of the regeneration stages of grief cycle. They are always sad/happy moments.
More emotional damage: "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I..."
Or "You were absolutely fantastic, and do you know what? So was I."
Always keep tissues handy with this show. It can go from goofy and fun to heartbreaking. That’s the beauty of this show.
What makes Eccelston's departure even sadder is that it was likely connected with mental health issues he was having at the time. The fact that he was able to give such great performances even while struggling through all is simply amazing.
Weren’t the mental health issues complete lies from the BBC at the time when Eccleston and the BBC fell out? Genuinely asking. Or was that just them saying he was ‘tired’ of the intensity of the role?
I’m pretty sure these were lies RTD and the BBC fabricated. Eccleston has been very outspoken with his distain for how his departure was handled, and RTD in general.
@@Vin_Venture896 Christopher was really struggling with his ED whilst filming DW, however him leaving was fully due to his issues with BBC staff including RTD and resulted in him being blacklisted which is why he was rarely seen on tv afterwards.
@@discretelyobviousHe also took time to star in the MCU during the interim.
@@johnniequinn3215 The MCU didn't exist yet as of this season
Watching this in 2005, i didn't think the show would just keep getting better for another 7-8yrs until i believe it hit the peak.
I thought Bad Wolf was explained. "Time Vortex Rose" sent a message to herself in the past that she knew would lead Rose down the path to becoming "Time Vortex Rose."
From another perspective, Rose saw those words scattered through time and then as she was about to give up on rescuing the Doctor, she saw them again. That inspired her to believe that getting back to the Doctor was possible. She then later absorbed the Time Vortex and used her power to scatter those words to the points in time where she previously saw them, to inspire herself. As for why the words "Bad Wolf" were chosen, it could have been any phrase that Rose would have noticed, it just happened to be "Bad Wolf."
I know it was “explained” but the explanation seemed…not good enough. I know placing the words everywhere “wraps it up” but it didn’t make much sense.
@@funnylilgalreacts I see. Okay, I think it satisfies me as a sensible explanations, but we all absorb these things in different ways. You're gonna come to love Tennant's doctor too, if that helps you.
“Too quick in pace and a little contrived” pretty much sums up all of Doctor Who and that’s exactly what makes it so wonderful!! It gives them a chance to tell such a massive breadth of stories!!
"Have a fantastic life" will never fail to get me!
I’ve just discovered your reactions and I’m so happy! Been watching after work for the past week. I’m so so happy to see your reaction to his regeneration, I love that you were emotional even before it started! So nice to see you enjoy the show so much ❤
You've been baptized in the tears of grief after losing your first Doctor. Welcome to the fandom
Watching this episode, when he regenerated I was like " I don’t want Tennant anymore, give me back my Ninth Doctor 😭". Even though Tennant was the reason I started watching the show 😅
you gotta make it two times a week man i love these reactions
Oh, I feel you so much!😭🫂
Christopher technically was my proper first Doctor, too (after an Ep or 2 with DT), so this was my first regeneration and it still hits me so so hard!
Thank you for these reactions!
Can't wait for you to discover all the devistating, captivating, thrilling, fantastic, brilliant adventures to come!
💙ALLONS-Y!💙
While Christmas Invasion aired in the US on September 29, 2006, it originally aired on Christmas Day, 2005 in the UK.
Also, this episode aired in the UK on June 18, 2005 and in the US on June 9, 2006, so while UK viewers had 6 months between episodes, US viewers (at least those who weren't sailing the high seas) had less than four.
For me, my Dad was a huge fan of Doctor Who when he was a kid so when it got relaunched, he showed it to us and he really loves the new stuff actually🥰 I was too young to watch along with Eccelston’s series so my first doctor is actually Tennant, so he has that special place in my heart that Eccelston will have for you. The thing to appreciate with every doctor is that they all respect the title, they all respect their predecessor and don’t try to copy how they played the role, instead they make it their own❤ so you can love different stuff with each of them, but also miss and love the previous one. I’m happy for you and this journey you have now officially started with your first regeneration👏🏼❤️❤️
There is a Doctor Who podcast called "Verity", and they often refer to Russell T Davies season finales as getting your heart ripped out, set on fire, thrown against a wall and then stamped on... You go through ALL the emotions in one episode...
I am glad to be able to re-experience these episodes through your reactions...
GB,
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I love that podcast! [HIGH-FIVES YOU FOR GOOD TASTE]
(It's actually "Verity!", with the exclamation mark. Because how could you *not* have an exclamation mark? =;o} )
Christopher Eccleston is a too often overlooked treasure. He was a great doctor who doesn’t get the respect he deserves. I brought the show back and reestablished all the rules for a new audience, including that the Doctor regenerates. He was always doomed to last only a single series, but he was a great Doctor while it lasted.