the dragon empire variant will most likely be the best. the OT matters (vanguard will already have 2 crits baseline), Esperaridea, and you'll do 7 attacks turn 6 with at least 2 attacks having OT power up and 2 being double crit (triggers from drive checks excluded) as well as 4 drive checks
Odds are they'll introduce a booster set so you can use DragonTree for every nation but I do think Lyrical Monasterio with the 'friends' mechanic has some potential. I'm also pretty sure a competitive player out there somewhere is probably finding a way to use it with Stoicheia
I wouldn’t say Stoicheia is C. If we’re looking solely on the Stoicheia OT, then sure, but there’s also the Cray Elemental OT. With the utility and recursion the nation has, I can see two Roaming Prison Dragons each with 100mill.
BG actually may be decent but that cause we can go world, and we have a bunch of ways to search X orders turn 3, which with Shadow army theyre always 20k tokens which is pretty nice, I actually im on the opposite spectrum where I think BG and DE are definitely the best choices (Considering Esper and World, I also don't think esper is that gimmicky since we can normal call it, and get the soul needed for its skill)
I think Stoichea is a pretty descent nations for drawgon tree too: - Prison dragon that call it self out when play order, which can be okay with a moth that cb1 kill 2 units and draw 1. - a blize order that gets 5 K for every order in drop zone, which you can play it with a Chef that on place, get a blize order back to hand. -a shadow cloak when searches out orders - plague bird looking G3 that call it self out when g3 or higher is placed onto Vg circle - an on place token generator Would could build the deck in a way that you can commit less card while still having attacks
Stoi is probably the nation where you'll have the easiest time finding generic support that works with a non-archetypal boss monster and synergize with the G1 Dragontree given that it is Order centric. Keter you can also find a healthy amount of good support that works without a specific archetype as shown by Gramgrace. Really for Dragontree it's less about which OT works with it (because realistically you won't hit it often) but rather the kind of support each nation has that can work with its other effects.
Dragon empire can get 8 attacks, with 4 drive checks, and 100mil, turn 7 with the combo,if you can get to the turn is a massive finisher, just use xemina and stall while applying pressure until turn 7 then hit them with the wombo-combo
I think you are underselling the Dragon Empire build. It is by far your best option, as you immediately start putting pressure with 4 attacks on the opponent turn 3 with an Esperaridea. The 1st one is free since you can Soul Blast out the starter. As for follwups, the recent;y revealed Blaze Maiden Adison and Madyson give you a steady soul generation. They are also Blaze Maiden names, which lets you pivot into Blaze Maiden Elba, who can rest 3 names to give your entire frontrow 10k power. Excellent Synergy with the Esperarideas, as well as basically acting as 2 Markers for Dragontree's effect, excluding the crit. On that matter, the tree Disciple in Dragon Empire is absolutely the worst. But it and Elba are the only cards that should be costing you CB, and you genuinely dont need more than 1 Disciple activation for the crit on the Vanguard, you just spam Elba after that. You really dont need to bet on the OT when your pressure is that good in this nation, no reason to stall.
Yeah having no easy Set Orders for Brandt is pretty bad, but their Dragontree is just really good compared to the rest that it is genuinely worthwhile, been trying with the Monster Order and Howling Night just to keep up cards, and being able to add a Sentinel with your Order is pretty fun to do.
As far as abusing the OT goes Stoicheia wouldn't do much, but not like any nation is going to make it to turn 6 reliably enough for the OT to be much of a factor with Dragontree anyways. As far making a build out of generic support to work with Dragontree, Stoi has a lot to work with with the sheer amount of generic Order support that's extra exploitable the G1 Dragontree recycling Orders every turn and the Markers making bigger columns with stuff like Prison Dragon. It still would essentially just be slower Zorga without Alchemagic, but you could still make something workable from it.
Damn, someone beat me to the punch of a video for this. I knew I should’ve stayed up lol😂 Either way, good video. Mind if I share the video on my channel?
@@kodokutamashi1569 Stoicheia has the most amount of splashable generic support to work with Griphogila, if anything it is the nation most known for having splashable engines. The most notable splashable engine being the Zorga engine based around Orders, and given that the Stoicheia Dragontree is Order support its not hard to figure out how to build around it.
@@kodokutamashi1569 Trying to make it to OT turn with any nation is unlikely, nearly every deck in the game can end the fight long before that not helped by how slow the deck is to get started making it especially vulnerable to rushing adding on that the opponent won't have to worry about defensive OT or 50K guard, yeah good luck surviving that long against any player who knows what they're doing. Instead you should focus more on the fact that Griphogila is a giant 2 crit attacker that also powers up your columns with the Dragontree Markers, you got the groundwork for an aggro deck that pressures with high power crit columns, you're more likely to win off that than trying to stall for 4 G3 turns giving your opponent plenty of time to prepare for a very telegraphed OT or worse kill you long before that happens. With Griphogila you also have to look at non-archetypal support that generically works with any vanguard, Stoi has plenty of those to work with. Keter does as well as shown by Gramgrace.
@@elin111 Against Griphogila, people will run that counter heal that anti-crit, it won't pressure that much, especially since it got rushed turn 1. Griphogila hand is only the strongest in DE deck and only in that deck it can survive while being rushed early.
Personally just run either dragon empire of or go for generic ot the olbaria. Reason being you know your enemy is gonna pg the vanguard attack already so might as well just give 100mil to your sides
Token ranbu, depending what they got in set 2. You already have multiple 10k shields before trigger effects. I will try my hardest to make touken ranbu great again.
@@sheriffvanguard6556 people need to build the g10 as 'how to survive to turn 6' deck. Turns out it's really hard to survive to turn 6 when the opponent knows. This meta you go consistent, Which is easier. But I fear deckset messiahs will break the meta as a turn 5 kill. Evaluating the deck as which has better stuff is good, but you don't really play before turn 6.
Believe me after brain storming and looking pile of stoicheia card I own I can already think all the messed up trolling combo just by looking at this new member of vanguard black force energy menace club
@@sheriffvanguard6556 maybe if they release more genric token our token focused but gneric as in you don't need rorowa or granfia to get certain effect or benefit from having token. (And my point still stand......Griphogila is menace to vanguarad society as of now)
@@sheriffvanguard6556 Tokens are spammable low investment rearguards that allow to build boards quickly without consuming much resources, helped by how a lot of the token generators don't cost CB so they don't conflict with generating Markers, speaking of the Markers, the +5k from them also helps the typical issue tokens would have of being 5k bodies. Add all the generic Order support with stuff like Prison Dragons you can make entire boards barely consuming any resources while mantaining pressure on the opponent which for something like Dragontree that ideally would want to stall for 6 turns it helps it considerably.
Griphogila just entered as the new member of vanguard black force energy menace club along with vice president glendios and club president Gyze
the dragon empire variant will most likely be the best. the OT matters (vanguard will already have 2 crits baseline), Esperaridea, and you'll do 7 attacks turn 6 with at least 2 attacks having OT power up and 2 being double crit (triggers from drive checks excluded) as well as 4 drive checks
Odds are they'll introduce a booster set so you can use DragonTree for every nation but I do think Lyrical Monasterio with the 'friends' mechanic has some potential.
I'm also pretty sure a competitive player out there somewhere is probably finding a way to use it with Stoicheia
I wouldn’t say Stoicheia is C. If we’re looking solely on the Stoicheia OT, then sure, but there’s also the Cray Elemental OT. With the utility and recursion the nation has, I can see two Roaming Prison Dragons each with 100mill.
In premium, only neo nectar can use it in theory.
@@someguywithabirdface2583 You can't even use Griphogila properly in Premium because there's no ride deck-
@@SykoTheOneNOnly better than nothing
BG actually may be decent but that cause we can go world, and we have a bunch of ways to search X orders turn 3, which with Shadow army theyre always 20k tokens which is pretty nice, I actually im on the opposite spectrum where I think BG and DE are definitely the best choices (Considering Esper and World, I also don't think esper is that gimmicky since we can normal call it, and get the soul needed for its skill)
I think Stoichea is a pretty descent nations for drawgon tree too:
- Prison dragon that call it self out when play order, which can be okay with a moth that cb1 kill 2 units and draw 1.
- a blize order that gets 5 K for every order in drop zone, which you can play it with a Chef that on place, get a blize order back to hand.
-a shadow cloak when searches out orders
- plague bird looking G3 that call it self out when g3 or higher is placed onto Vg circle
- an on place token generator
Would could build the deck in a way that you can commit less card while still having attacks
Stoi is probably the nation where you'll have the easiest time finding generic support that works with a non-archetypal boss monster and synergize with the G1 Dragontree given that it is Order centric. Keter you can also find a healthy amount of good support that works without a specific archetype as shown by Gramgrace.
Really for Dragontree it's less about which OT works with it (because realistically you won't hit it often) but rather the kind of support each nation has that can work with its other effects.
Dragon empire can get 8 attacks, with 4 drive checks, and 100mil, turn 7 with the combo,if you can get to the turn is a massive finisher, just use xemina and stall while applying pressure until turn 7 then hit them with the wombo-combo
You have a nice voice and the script is succinct enough to make the video as optimised as it can be. I'd look forward to more commentary like this.
I want the eventual story to become Lyrical Monasterio Whale Vs. Griphogila after it conquered all 5 nations.
I think you are underselling the Dragon Empire build. It is by far your best option, as you immediately start putting pressure with 4 attacks on the opponent turn 3 with an Esperaridea. The 1st one is free since you can Soul Blast out the starter.
As for follwups, the recent;y revealed Blaze Maiden Adison and Madyson give you a steady soul generation. They are also Blaze Maiden names, which lets you pivot into Blaze Maiden Elba, who can rest 3 names to give your entire frontrow 10k power. Excellent Synergy with the Esperarideas, as well as basically acting as 2 Markers for Dragontree's effect, excluding the crit.
On that matter, the tree Disciple in Dragon Empire is absolutely the worst. But it and Elba are the only cards that should be costing you CB, and you genuinely dont need more than 1 Disciple activation for the crit on the Vanguard, you just spam Elba after that.
You really dont need to bet on the OT when your pressure is that good in this nation, no reason to stall.
Yeah having no easy Set Orders for Brandt is pretty bad, but their Dragontree is just really good compared to the rest that it is genuinely worthwhile, been trying with the Monster Order and Howling Night just to keep up cards, and being able to add a Sentinel with your Order is pretty fun to do.
my favorite part is the crudly drawn tire list
I should've drawn it more crudely
As far as abusing the OT goes Stoicheia wouldn't do much, but not like any nation is going to make it to turn 6 reliably enough for the OT to be much of a factor with Dragontree anyways. As far making a build out of generic support to work with Dragontree, Stoi has a lot to work with with the sheer amount of generic Order support that's extra exploitable the G1 Dragontree recycling Orders every turn and the Markers making bigger columns with stuff like Prison Dragon.
It still would essentially just be slower Zorga without Alchemagic, but you could still make something workable from it.
Damn, someone beat me to the punch of a video for this. I knew I should’ve stayed up lol😂 Either way, good video. Mind if I share the video on my channel?
Love it with stoichea. I mean, restand roaming prison dragon with 2 crits is good right? Really spicy if can get more trigger on it
Stoicheia is the second worst nation for Griphogila. Brand Gate did much more than that. The worst is Dark States.
@@kodokutamashi1569 Stoicheia has the most amount of splashable generic support to work with Griphogila, if anything it is the nation most known for having splashable engines. The most notable splashable engine being the Zorga engine based around Orders, and given that the Stoicheia Dragontree is Order support its not hard to figure out how to build around it.
@@elin111 The defense is super weak. You won't be able to survive till OT turn.
@@kodokutamashi1569 Trying to make it to OT turn with any nation is unlikely, nearly every deck in the game can end the fight long before that not helped by how slow the deck is to get started making it especially vulnerable to rushing adding on that the opponent won't have to worry about defensive OT or 50K guard, yeah good luck surviving that long against any player who knows what they're doing.
Instead you should focus more on the fact that Griphogila is a giant 2 crit attacker that also powers up your columns with the Dragontree Markers, you got the groundwork for an aggro deck that pressures with high power crit columns, you're more likely to win off that than trying to stall for 4 G3 turns giving your opponent plenty of time to prepare for a very telegraphed OT or worse kill you long before that happens.
With Griphogila you also have to look at non-archetypal support that generically works with any vanguard, Stoi has plenty of those to work with. Keter does as well as shown by Gramgrace.
@@elin111 Against Griphogila, people will run that counter heal that anti-crit, it won't pressure that much, especially since it got rushed turn 1. Griphogila hand is only the strongest in DE deck and only in that deck it can survive while being rushed early.
Nice video, keep up the great work, eager to see more content from you!
Thank you! I have some good videos to make that I hope you'll enjoy:)
Personally just run either dragon empire of or go for generic ot the olbaria. Reason being you know your enemy is gonna pg the vanguard attack already so might as well just give 100mil to your sides
let's not lie here this is just like link joker all over again the lore
I am going to use it with stoiechia hrhrhr
You need some soulcharge setup for using DS dragontree when you start at only starter in your soul
I'm gonna see the DE OverTrigger spike to the moon. Jesus, when all conditions are met, 6 attacks incoming when they do that 💀
"PURASU ICHI"
Now I just wanna see lyrical girls getting the chance to run this thing.
It’s going to be so dumb but very fun if they do lol.
I'm working on a build for it in lyrical it shall be done
Doing the good work soldier💪
Shaman Kings OT would be fun
Shaman king now has my attention
i thought they errata botis?
Token ranbu, depending what they got in set 2. You already have multiple 10k shields before trigger effects. I will try my hardest to make touken ranbu great again.
You deserve a salute in advance o7
@@sheriffvanguard6556 people need to build the g10 as 'how to survive to turn 6' deck. Turns out it's really hard to survive to turn 6 when the opponent knows. This meta you go consistent, Which is easier. But I fear deckset messiahs will break the meta as a turn 5 kill. Evaluating the deck as which has better stuff is good, but you don't really play before turn 6.
I would say shaman king probably most unfair one
STOICHEIA with plant token engine and some orders might help out dragontree more than we think🤔
Believe me after brain storming and looking pile of stoicheia card I own I can already think all the messed up trolling combo just by looking at this new member of vanguard black force energy menace club
I don't quite get what you'd use those tokens for in a deck other than rorowa or granfia though
@@sheriffvanguard6556 maybe if they release more genric token our token focused but gneric as in you don't need rorowa or granfia to get certain effect or benefit from having token. (And my point still stand......Griphogila is menace to vanguarad society as of now)
@@sheriffvanguard6556 you can also use plant tokens with lianorn
@@sheriffvanguard6556 Tokens are spammable low investment rearguards that allow to build boards quickly without consuming much resources, helped by how a lot of the token generators don't cost CB so they don't conflict with generating Markers, speaking of the Markers, the +5k from them also helps the typical issue tokens would have of being 5k bodies.
Add all the generic Order support with stuff like Prison Dragons you can make entire boards barely consuming any resources while mantaining pressure on the opponent which for something like Dragontree that ideally would want to stall for 6 turns it helps it considerably.
Seeing dragon tree works well with varina is kinda sus
I know big anime connotations here (I want to see yuyu turn evil 😎)
We need to see Lyrical deck save Cray by kicking Dragontree in BCS 2023 tournaments.
implying dragon tree is making it to BCS 2023🤨
Imagine how insane this card would be in premium valkeryon
I've put it on the list of video ideas
That's possible with neo nectar but in theory
My buddy says to run this in Valkereon premium for absolute nonsense
I uh... I don't know how that's even supposed to work...
@@sheriffvanguard6556 top deck the G10 with Valkereon's skill to drive check 10
@jarnegi🌟💭 ohhhhh I was thinking get dragontree and Valk on the field at the same time. Anyways now I gotta build valkyrion
I think DE is the best version it's also only i think the only version of the deck that has topped
Seeing the results now I agree too