The COMAC C919 vs Airbus A320 - An Aircraft Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2020
- The COMAC C919 is China’s answer to the Airbus A320, but how does it compare to its European counterpart?
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Let's do the math. In the next 20 years China needs 8000+ airplanes, and most of them are single-aisle like A320/737. If COMAC can grab half of that, they don't need overseas market for their C919.
That is the aim of the Chinese government to sell domestically to the 4 major airlines that the Chinese government own and sell to those countries who are financially heavily indebted to China at cheap prices. This mean Boeing commercial aviation doesn't look especially if the CR929 become operational.
@The Mythbuster - Its not about engines, etc its about global certification and global spares, engineering and logistics network to support the C919 where Airbus and Boeing already has these networks. Yes, COMAC doesn't need US made engines and can use European made engines, its about supporting the aircraft type. Down here in the Southern Hemisphere, we are a very wary about China's bullying economic tactics to tow the China's narrative when a country trade with them, so the C919 will not been seen down here. The MC-21 has a better chance to flying in the Southern Hemisphere than the C919.
@The Mythbuster - I agree, there is good market in main land China and to those countries that have been locked into China's debt diplomacy and belt and road network. Outside that, little market.
@The Mythbuster - Since you are pro China, you must be a supporter or one of China's 50c troll army. By the way, the Chinese banks that lends money through China's soft economic diplomacy, are owned by the Chinese Government. China needs massive food and natural resources to keep going, so is doing a modern take by plundering nations they lend money too through soft economic diplomacy (colonialism).
@The Mythbuster - I don't live in the USA or the Northern Hemisphere. I live in the South Hemisphere (Not Asia) so I am not influence by the paranoid, fake news, conspiracy theory generating America lead by the orange one who have lost the plot. As far as I am concerned, America is not the leader or the spokes person of the free world. I am concerned, by the way that China is worming its way into my country's sovereignty by threatening my country trade with China, if my country doesn't support China's 'How great they are' narrative.
C919 have China biggest local market, that is the big advantage
Plus the fact that China doesn't care how many lives it costs...
。。。。。。。 Kenelm
Well they had a contract with airbus. Europe shared the technology to China. Basically that is called development help.
Why else u think airbus has production plants in China.
That C919 is a present from Europe to China.
Plus ........ I’m not American so I can criticise China no !?
TS89, free HK, free Tibet, free Xinjiang. # Liu xiao Bo !!
。。。。。。。 Kenelm
Well since u think it is a nice thing to say the last words of a black person got disgustingly murdered by police in America to defend the crimes ur country did let’s use some last words of people in China.
1. mommy .... I’m so hungry. Mommy ...... u don’t move anymore ..... mommy !???? -> many children in 1958-1962 China. 55 mio starved to death.
2. Why u want to beat me to death!? I tried to teach u something. -> teacher in cultural revolution. 1968
3. U Are the Peoples liberation Army !! How u can shoot down ur own people !!!-> student protestor 1989 Beijing.
4. Pls don’t kill me and steal my Organs !!! I’m afraid to die pls ....... pls don’t do that I promise I will never do it again...... --> Falun Gong 1999.
5. Pls I’m not a terrorist. I’m not against the CCP pls !!!!! Pls don’t take my children away !!! Plssss !!!! Let my husband live he didn’t do anything wrong. ---- > muslim in Xinjiang 2020
6. I don’t want a abortion !!! I want to keep my baby !! I know I’m just supposed to have one but pls don’t kill my baby !! I don’t want a abortion !!!! Pls don’t take my little mengwen away from me !! --> many mothers which had forced abortions during China’s 1 Child policy.
I hope u feel better now after I was mocking ur country over the bad things happen there. I hope u enjoy it more and remember them when u use this words of a black person as a asian to accuse others.
charles harper and u are disgusting as well.
@。。。。。。。 Kenelm
I'm not American, fool.
China is even worse than the US...the CPC chops up and murders political dissidents and sells their body parts.
Even the Nazis weren't that money grubbing.
the biggest advantage of C919: gigantic Chinese domestic market
TBH I dont think the Chinese want to directly challenge Airbus anyways. C919 would be primarily sold to domestic airlines and serving shorter routes, plus probably to some merging markets. It's more like a stepping stone for COMAC to gain design experience
Only Boeing will be the loser in the game. Airbus outsources component works with all major aircraft builders in China and also runs a factory in Tianjin for general assembly.
The role of a stepping stone for COMAC is played by ARJ-700, and currently 33 are in service.
@@ozsharpener Boeing won't be able to fill Chinese skies with 737s, that's for sure.
@Nage Heiren COMAC and maybe even the Russian Irkut-UAC might soon become the Toyota and Honda of large-scale commercial aviation.
@@hananokuni2580 more like Pinto
My left ear really enjoys the music
It's pretty obvious that C919 is not intended for markets outside of China. 2200nm is more than enough to cover city pairs within China and East and South East Asian routes.
COMAC is a prime example of a state-owned manufacturer. It has a dedicated runway built in one of the busiest airports in the world and a big campus south of Pudong airport connected by a long strech of taxiway.
most important information is missing, per passenger flying cost
C919 cost 2/3 as much as 737 and A320, while 15% more fuel efficient. Now, it's true that 737 MAX erased C919's fuel efficiency advantage, but... 737 MAX, lol.
737's potential is severely crippled by its short landing gears. Boeing should make a new 757 if they still want to compete in the narrow-body market.
Parts: many of these are not sourced in China. Engines from Canada (Pratt& Whitney), US (General Electric) and other EU makes. Hollywell for the avionics as well a landing gears etc etc. One thing they don't have is trust by airline companies. Is it the Airbus went through the same way?
It will be interesting to see what the production aircraft actually has as far as capacity. I suspect that the production aircraft may actually have higher fuel capacity since they have lots of time to refined aspects of the design as it is tested.
Norvegian and Finnair have the Chinese aircraft fleet. Also have COMAC ARJ21.
I beg your pardon? I don't find any source to confirm this affirmation.
One weeks later, we still don't have any source
You really can't hope to fully beat European plane design.
The distance from Beijing to Shanghai is 1200km, and Beijing to Guangzhou/Shenzhen/Hongkong is no more than 2200km. It's with this range and scope in mind that c919 was designed to have shorter range, smaller fuel tank, and overall a lighter profile. Outside of China, distance from Shanghai to Tokyo is less than 2000km, even Beijing to Singapore is only 4400 km. To sum up, close to 90%of Chinese population is within 2000km range from Beijing, and since c919 isn't planning to fly between eu and the states, there for it isn't necessary to fly up to 7000 km as certain variants of a321 or b737 does. This optimization and adaptation to east and southeast Asian routes, will certainly make c919 more economical and better suited for where c919 is planning to sell.
Only to those countries outside China, who are financially indebted to China.
@@chrismckellar9350 you seem to have a twisted agenda with the word "indebted". china from what i can tell is largest us treasury bond holder, has china leveraged on this in any way shape or form?
@@obstinatejack - I know that the USA is China creditor in treasury bills, if the USA crashes and burn economically. You need to take off your 'America is great' tinted glasses off that the USA is not that is not that great economically as lives of increasing debt.
The most important factor is one you didnot mention. That fact us fuel burn. Fyelburn is what destroyed the B747 A340 and A380.
The C919 is powered by the same engines as the A320NEO and 737MAX. It's probably just as efficient as the other two
Oh right he could have mentioned they all have identical engine, so confidence has got to be better than for 737 !
And its a lot cheaper than European plane, a lot.
how about a comparison to A319 or A318?
How about other china jet like a ARJ-21?
Its kinda crazy how its just the air frame they are designing and not the engines. Just shows you how hard aerospace engineering is
Drew Bond for all they have acheived in a few decades, Id say its pretty good. Of course its easy to judge someone thats lagging behind but I think they are making great progress overall in aviation
Drew Bond when I said they deserve credit. Im considering how fast China is advancing in areas of high tech manufacturing relative to when they started.
You call it stolen but I went to school for engineering, i learned from others ideas and built my own ideas on them. Is that stealing? Depends how you look at it, do you call exchange of information a form of copying and stealing if I use it and apply my own version to it?
no doubt there is some hacking but every country has an intelligency agency right? im sure you know Chinese engineers are also in US based companies, so that knowledge is also being used and shared and built on in China
Drew Bond you should know, engineers build on things. Theres no engineer in the world that doesn’t use some type of existing design in conjunction with their own. Although re-designs happen, most just iterate versioning improvements which are incremental. Dont you realize this if your making things?
And to say the US innovates completely on their own is quite wrong. The jet engine, rocket program, modern submarines, stealth tech, came fromGermany at the end of WW2... i mean if you cant even see how many things we use today has been influenced by other designs from other countries, ill say you just dont have a understanding of the history of many things developmental stages.
@Drew Bond lol, you have any prove ?
@Drew Bond avkid they aint stolen, they are legally licensed such as they did with the md 90
Wanna see supersonic speed in the future
I remember there was so much noise in youtube when high speed train system is in debut in China.
that's what you heard from outside the train, sit inside and try it dude.
And Yes china have an amazing high speed train system today. Among the best in the world.
@@lanzortiz3199 It's stolen technology.
@@spitfirenutspitfirenut4835 ah.. The accusations stolen is casually thrown at Everything they do. Lmao. Japenese train maker or European train maker never said that. Yeah all their technology is stolen. You just don't wanna give credit to their hardwork in achieving where they now. How can a stolen technology run faster than the Japanese or the European lol.
@@lanzortiz3199 It doesn't tho. There were accident on chinese trainline when it was running at full speed. The French train line casually run at 350 km/h without any issues.
C919 Looks beautiful!
Oldest trick in the book. How do you increase payload? Cut down on the fuel capacity. One thousand Km less range is huge but all the Airbus needs to do if it is on a shorter sector is carry less fuel which gives operators more flexibility. This is called load balancing. The logistics of getting parts and service would be a nightmare, (as found out by Air Brussels, half of their new Russian airliners were grounded within a year due to lack of spare parts ), it's this factor for example that makes Russian airliners a commercial disaster too. A cheap plane very quickly becomes a very expensive plane.
Russia's domestic market cannot sustain a commercial aircraft manufacturer, China can; that's the difference.
@@Hanniballz313 Definitely. But the Chinese don't seem to be able to produce a commercial aircraft that passes FAA or EASA certification requirements, which is somewhat worrisome.
@@idanceforpennies281 I think the question of obtaining certification is more political than technical. It will probably be able to obtain EASA certification; FAA certification is more doubtful due to political factors, but it's not fatal to the project. From a safety perspective, given the recent disaster involving the 737Max, FAA has lost a lot of credibility to its certification scheme.
@@Hanniballz313 All this long predates the current situation. I heard through back-channels that Airbus would brand a Chinese plane if it went through the EASA certification process. Similar to what they did with the Bombardier C200/300. But (as I can personally attest), the Chinese are so dodgy in their manufacturing, no one really trusts them at any level, not EASA or Airbus. If a Chinese airliner gained EASA certification, the FAA would need a good reason to deny similar acceptance (they share all data), and the current 737 MAX situation is really an anomaly to this process - the EASA accepted the FAA's type approval without question.
I dance for pennies
I think they can hold that. The C919 is basically a copy of the airbus. China and Europe have somehow a deal. Market for technology. So airbus had to manufacture the planes in China. So the workers there could have been trained in this.
But I don’t think it will be a real competitor.
I mean this is the first plane Comac produces that will come close.
But who isn’t saying that airbus will not have a answer soon.
For a regional airliner its ideal.
It is never meant to compete with Airbus and Boeing. I don't even think they sell to foreign airlines.
3:25
I guess you never heard of the A321XLR :(
The 919 is quite a handsome aeroplane
It will definitely win in China, because our people have the spirit of supporting products made in China, idk about outside China
Outside China this thing wont sell dude
你敢坐吗，反正我不敢
You have to talk about Irkut MC-21 next, it is something Boeing might have to worry about.
Yes, it looks promising.
boeing has to be worried about all prober flying airplanes, how ever if it is returning 737max..... mc-21 will never catch up the maintenance logistics and all the things to do with keeping the plane in the air,airbus and boeing have decades of a headstart same story c919
@@onderwerper But if they sell mc21 domestically there should not be problem.
Well maybe this plane could maybe as good as the airbus A320. Maybe they will do long rang aircraft .
Maybe pigs might fly...
@@charlesharper2357 maybe you can fly.
@@yxeanget-any
I have several times...but never will on a communist piece of crap.
@@charlesharper2357 So how do Communism harm you?
@@King-vo7vm
Other than their ruthless war on free speech, Democracy, and brutal repression of basic human rights?
You can add the Kung Fu Flu to China's attack on the Free World.
The COMAC will replace Boeing & Airbus in the future when COMAC quality on par with them and have cheaper price. It's possible Boeing & Airbus will be bought by COMAC in 20 years later, let's see.
Anton Santoso Do you ever heard of MC 21? Lol you might not heard about it.
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet COMAC is funded by China government with almost unlimited fund and also can force all China airlines to use their own airplane, this is their biggest advantage- monoply. With mass production COMAC will be very efficient production cost airplane.
@@antonsantoso8889 to do that they not only need to sell in China, but also _everywhere else_
Cormac planes don’t need to be better or cheaper (although it probably will be cheaper), it’s a state owned manufacturer selling domestically to state owned airliners, they will switch to Cormac regardless of weather it makes business sense or not. Over the next few decades it will then get better and try sell outside of China, they’ll be big legal battles over state aid and product dumping and who knows what will happen.
I am doubtful that it'll immediately be able to usurp Airbus and Boeing, since Chinese aircraft design still lacks the decades of experience of the two giants. However it will likely find a market that suits its design and will pave the future for Chinese aircraft!
I'm surprised Japan or Korea hasn't tried making mass produced planes yet
Simple, because Boeing doesn't allow them to do so. Many military planes of their occupying force are made from Boeing.
It is due to huge investment as well as long know-how in aviation tech. You cannot say I know aviation if your background is only few years. China development program will probably suffer from lack of experience in general aviation in the near future. But China is resilient and governed by proud nationalistics type of executives. No place for critics or democratic decision. That’s the main difference with EU and US. We saw a good example with their high speed dev network
Trains
@@alainmare8081 yea in 2011 there was a train crash. Right now the technology is matured and much safer than before.
The Chinese govt should sell their planes c919 and arj21 to North Korea
C919 is meant for local market. It may takes a decade to fly out of China.
The difference in fuel consumption is so significant that airlines would be crazy to buy that thing. 8.9L per NM for the comac compared to 7.6L per NM for the A320neo. Since fuel counts for more than a quarter of the total expenditures of an average airline they'd be mad to buy this
You should take a long-term view. China does not expect to make much money from this aircraft. Its greater significance is to promote China's industrial upgrading. China is getting rid of the role of a low-end manufacturing world factory. He is moving towards high-end manufacturing. By the way, Boeing and Airbus already have production lines in China few years ago
averaging price of c919 :68.4
Not even if Sully was flying it with Maveric in the right seat.
Captain Sully wouldn't want Maverick as a copilot. A wingman perhaps.
2:25 2.999 micrometers? Why not just say three micrometers?
That is nautical mile not nanometer
Maybe they should use kilometres, and they will certainly use beidou, trains use km, so do cars, China could be the first with standard international units for everything, they are big enough to sway even aviation to go to litres and kilograms, like Elon has for space.
@@williamgoode9114 nah it doesn't make sense. Nautical mile for range and feet for altitude are standard measurement in aviation, even in countries that don't use imperial measurement. Changing them would be like using Yuan instead of USD in international trade
@@aslamnurfikri7640 actually yuan is being trialed as a digital currency, are you saying the world never changes, that england will always drive on the left, that the Chinese will always use chop sticks, that Galileo and GPS are already in metre in all vectors, that sir line pilots can't learn anything new, they should measure in litre rather than gallons or maybe kWh
A airbus
B boeing
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Was this done on purpose 🤔
Lol never thought about it
Is the C919 most likely to compare with the A320 or the A220 ?
a320
actually both of them.
What a BS comparison.
very good !C919⚘
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I would like to choose A320 or A320 NEO
Why is everybody always leaving out the MC-21 ?
Roll with the Russian option
I would more faith in the MC-21 than the C919
because Americans dislike Russians. you know, youtube belongs to the USA.
yea i dont think that will sell
@@tachy1801 Covid 919 lol
Although the C919 falls under the well-known label “Made in China” (the same is indicated on any iPhone’s cover), foreign firms play key roles by supplying systems, as well as the engines, which are manufactured by the CFM. Part of the avionics, including the communications system as well as the navigation and control systems, are supplied by Rockwell Collins. Everything - from the IT systems and cockpit displays to black boxes are delivered by GE Aviation and its partner AVIC Systems. The power supply system of the C919 is also produced by an ‘outsider’, i.e. Hamilton Sundstrand. Honeywell is to provide wheels and brakes, brake control system (BCS) and tires. To sum up, the Radar cover, wings and tail - that’s how much Chinese is the new China’s jet.
Might succeed within China but that's about it.. no way this can come close to airbus or Boeing
La carlingue du COMAC est de l'AIRBUS...!!
Hey Boeing, stake a 50.5% stake in the C919 project as a replacement for the B737. It will be cheaper and save on development costs of a new sheet design for the B737.
C919 is best for domestic flights for now.
Always come to these China vs. the world comparison for hate comments. Guess it’s a good thing no RUclips in China to avoid the explosion of debates. The only thing for sure is, no matter how many negative comments posted from mostly made in China devices, Chinese is moving forward with building up infrastructure and technologies.
Let's be honest thr c919 won't sell outside China.
Agree. COMAC doesn't have the global spares, engineering and logistic support network like Boeing and Airbus has.
If you look at how Huawei got to where it is today, it's because China installed 4 million 4g signal towers out of 6 million total globally. The 4g signal towers in the whole of Australia or Canada doesn't even add up to a single city like Guangzhou or Shenzhen. C919 doesn't need to sell outside of China for it to succeed, as China's domestic market is looking at 6000+ aircraft in the next 20 years
@@obstinatejack - So what. You must belong to CCP troll army spreading fake news how great China is.
There is NO WAY I would ever fly on a chinese made poor COPY of an A320
@@obstinatejack the issue is I won't die if I use huawei signal towers but my life is at a higher stake when it comes to an aircraft.
You forgot type rating... there are literally hundreds of surplus A320 and 737 rated pilots out there whereas someone needs to spend thr time learning how to fly the other. Also the list price is irrelevant as not many customers actually pay that. This aircraft, even with aggressive government backing will go on to be a niche craft like Ilushyin or Antonov's of the old Soviet Union.
Agree. Maybe their target market is domestic and Air Koryo
C919. Does that acronym ring a recent bell? I don't know about you but I'm getting flight sickness just thinking about it.
Why would you wanna compare a quickly put together plane with Airbus which has put in years of research and flying experience to bring you the best?
the C919 have a big very issue with wings design and engine, that will take 10 years for fixe it again if no mistake again, it is not tomorow you will see flying international
I've walked away from the COMAC C919 and walked towards the Embraer 195 due to the range.
There is no way in hell im flying in a Chinese aircraft.
GL with Boeing.
Chinese airlines need more than 8000 airplane in next 20 years, the majority of the type they need is like c919 for demestic airport. So, China got enough local market to make Comac strong. The Comac have got more 500 orders from chinese airlines already. So, if you are travelling to china in the future, you probably have many chance to fly with C919. Hence, I just recommond you that please do not visit China in the future.
Best small plane in world
China is new to this industry, how many planes crash in average from a new series?
With my understanding of chinese suppliers, they will cut corners and/or quality over time.
Just like Boeing then!!
@@poruatokin kinka in a way
First😉
Airbus a320 is best.
Airbus was a joke in aviation history and look where are they now !
China in building everything has a very own sight: to archieve the ART OF COPY.
First you copy, then you refine, and finally you innovate. Every industry goes through this.
ryanair is buying this plane
Rip
Ewww counterfeit a320
Looks like they stole a C-series cockpit too
Of course. When the Chinese persuaded Airbus to open a factory in mainland China, I told my colleagues it would only be a few years before China would suddenly have “developed” a new and similar aircraft. And here it is. Guaranteed to sell to the Chinese airlines and no one else.
Now, the only thing this thieving state cannot copy is quality. I wonder if they even have such a word in Mandarin or Cantonese. They have stolen every single technology they produce today.
Apparently, they invented gunpowder a thousand years ago but I must admit I suspect they also copied that from someone else.
@@captainnope747 I heard that bombardier helped them.
When you ordered A320 from Wish
C919 and covid 19 seems to be desame
No need to compare, three words: STATE OWNED ENTITIES
Marry me
Just clone it,that's all.
yea you are clone too, you have a head,2 hands and 2 legs, human clone
You might as call it a COMAC C/A320. A good cheap imitation which will fall apart, not to mention the dodgy Chinglish flight manual.
The Russian MC-21 is 100x better then this.
Communism engineering at it's finest!
This plane is nothing special. Can't do anything that an A320 hasn't been able to do for 30 years. And that with massive help from the West ... that sells at most through the price ... To be honest, the lead that Airbus and Boeing have cannot be caught up, not even by China.
There is NO WAY I would ever fly on a chinese made poor COPY of an A320
No one ask you to.
The C919 has a big Boo Boo gues what Ma it has no engine and President Trump is ready to give the C919 the Ole Thumbs Down and why? Because all those High Powered Geektards in China can't copy the General Elecrtric CFM International Jet with out facing Presidents Firing Squad where he said if they steal that engine design they won't be landing the COMMIE C919 IN THE USA, SOUTH AMERICA, EUROPE, JAPAN, ASIA AND ASIA NATION LIKE TAIWAN, SOUTH KOREA, NORTH KOREA, HONG KONG AND OTHER ESTRANGED NATIONS.
I'd rather walk than fly on a Chinese made aircraft..
@@derxert521 false
@@derxert521 They don't make up half.
And they are made for Chinese airlines.
I'll never fly on a Chinese airline.
The Airbus A320 sure is one ugly looking airplane