Like most modern players, Berretini's FH is a modified sidearm throwing motion. Because this technique results in faster acceleration thru the contact zone you can create lots of topspin with a shallower swing path that doesn't have as high a follow through and is lower & more across the body. You'll note that this technique (with very fast acceleration thru the contact zone) allows the same reactive break you pointed out in the Rublev video. And because you don't have to try and generate racket head speed by over rotating your torso, it's also easier to keep your head still and your eyes on the ball at contact. When I look at your FH I see a classic old school pendulum stroke where you try to generate racket head speed and spin by bending your knees and shifting your weight forward & upwards & pulling the racket head thru the strike zone along a steep swing path which works ok on waist high balls, but not so well on higher bouncing balls and requires more exact footwork and weight transfer to impart pace & some spin. A throwing motion is easier to time, more powerful (because you can swing thru & across your body), more relaxed & natural and equally well suited to low, medium & high balls (unless you use a western grip on low balls). You are trying to incorporate the loop & lag & elbow take back (with the racket tilted forward to accentuate snap back), but you revert to our old school FH ways at contact rather than completing the throwing motion thru contact with allows the rapid acceleration from the natural lag & snap back associated with a throwing motion. It's just like the serve, but a sidearm throw vs. a 3/4s or over hand throw. That topspin pro device actually seems to reinforce the old school steep swing path FH stroke. Try snapping off some shadow strokes without the topspin pro utilizing a throwing motion like Fed, Rublev, Berretini, etc. Please also read the story of how I changed by old school Fan in my comment to your Rublev video.
Check out TPA tennis on the sidearm throw technique. He is not a fan of the Macci pat the dog pull forehand and makes a great case for the sidearm throw.
Ryan, Update after our lesson...I've been using your tips on the forehand just yesterday and although there was a lot of "thinking" I still played decently with a new team practice and won each set with different partners, 0 and 1... so with all the changes I'm making with your service tips and forehand and volley tips, I'm still able to integrate the tips and play decently : )
I want to film myself but then I very much believe in "If you look, you won't like what you see"!!!! Just kidding. Please keep the videos coming. They are awesome and very helpful!
My racket face is always closed in the beginning phases because I play with full western. I would like to get more shoulder action in my forehand though.
Good presentation. Nice information here, but I think for most recreational players, developing a "wrist lag" would be tough. Players may try to "slap" at the ball and it could potentially create an inconsistent point of contact (Racquet face may be more open if not timed correctly). More power is great, but comes at a price: consistency.
Ryan, curious how important is the pre-stretch in your forehand? 2nd, i am hearing a lot about leading with the elbow ( like Osaka) which creates a tremendous whip? have you done a video on this?
2MT, seems to me that the trick is to level the racquet to the floor on the take back. The preparation does not matter. The rest fall in place as he proceeds. The shot will have less spin but more power, a flatter shot. Also, the finish is on the side. The racket goes a little up after contact, and that happens naturally.
(5.00 min.) With all respect! You can't really call it prestretch, if you mean the prestretch of the forearm flexors (Frank Starling's law says that as the rate of extension increases, the contractility increases). There is no contraction of the forearm flexors. The wrist stays stable. It is the lag of the racket leading up to the point of contact. This causes a greater angular velocity of the racket, which also increases the trackspeed. However, some topplayers are not comfortable with this. They feel less stability and control. Players such as Delpotro, Stephanek and Sharapova already bring the wrist into maximum dorsiflexion and do not change this again in the run-up to the point of contact.
I might be wrong, but IMHO berrettini's forehand motion is suboptimal, relying too much on the forearm and wrist. It can still generate huge power, but it looks to me very injury-prone... especially for amateur players who lack of systematic condition training and recovery treatment (and the tendency to abuse it over and over), it is a decent invitation for injury
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Like most modern players, Berretini's FH is a modified sidearm throwing motion. Because this technique results in faster acceleration thru the contact zone you can create lots of topspin with a shallower swing path that doesn't have as high a follow through and is lower & more across the body. You'll note that this technique (with very fast acceleration thru the contact zone) allows the same reactive break you pointed out in the Rublev video. And because you don't have to try and generate racket head speed by over rotating your torso, it's also easier to keep your head still and your eyes on the ball at contact.
When I look at your FH I see a classic old school pendulum stroke where you try to generate racket head speed and spin by bending your knees and shifting your weight forward & upwards & pulling the racket head thru the strike zone along a steep swing path which works ok on waist high balls, but not so well on higher bouncing balls and requires more exact footwork and weight transfer to impart pace & some spin. A throwing motion is easier to time, more powerful (because you can swing thru & across your body), more relaxed & natural and equally well suited to low, medium & high balls (unless you use a western grip on low balls).
You are trying to incorporate the loop & lag & elbow take back (with the racket tilted forward to accentuate snap back), but you revert to our old school FH ways at contact rather than completing the throwing motion thru contact with allows the rapid acceleration from the natural lag & snap back associated with a throwing motion. It's just like the serve, but a sidearm throw vs. a 3/4s or over hand throw.
That topspin pro device actually seems to reinforce the old school steep swing path FH stroke. Try snapping off some shadow strokes without the topspin pro utilizing a throwing motion like Fed, Rublev, Berretini, etc. Please also read the story of how I changed by old school Fan in my comment to your Rublev video.
Racist?
Check out TPA tennis on the sidearm throw technique. He is not a fan of the Macci pat the dog pull forehand and makes a great case for the sidearm throw.
Ryan, Update after our lesson...I've been using your tips on the forehand just yesterday and although there was a lot of "thinking" I still played decently with a new team practice and won each set with different partners, 0 and 1... so with all the changes I'm making with your service tips and forehand and volley tips, I'm still able to integrate the tips and play decently : )
Great video, thanks!
Thank you so much!
Did you see that Coco Gauff not running in after the drop shot point in the FO Semi’s?
@@rockyourlivingroom2036 I didn’t watch the match. But great job noticing. Thanks!
I want to film myself but then I very much believe in "If you look, you won't like what you see"!!!!
Just kidding. Please keep the videos coming. They are awesome and very helpful!
C’mon! These videos aren’t short enough for Tsitsipas to view on his bathroom breaks! 😃
Very nice vdo
Which grip does tsitsipas use?
Eastern or continental
My racket face is always closed in the beginning phases because I play with full western. I would like to get more shoulder action in my forehand though.
Good luck with your forehand! Thanks for commenting. 👍
Good presentation. Nice information here, but I think for most recreational players, developing a "wrist lag" would be tough. Players may try to "slap" at the ball and it could potentially create an inconsistent point of contact (Racquet face may be more open if not timed correctly). More power is great, but comes at a price: consistency.
hello, it's semi-western grip or werstern ?
I want to try this! Does the grip matter? I use semi-western for my forehand. Love your vids!
Thanks Ryan. You’ll be fine trying this with semi. Thanks!!
Does Berrettini use a strong semi-western or western grip?
He uses a strong semi western. Thanks!
Hello Ryan, when you said the pre-stretch is his power source, does it mean it’s from his arm? Can you elaborate it a bit more? Thanks in advance 🙏👍🎾
Ryan, curious how important is the pre-stretch in your forehand? 2nd, i am hearing a lot about leading with the elbow ( like Osaka) which creates a tremendous whip? have you done a video on this?
At the top of the unit turn should I feel more ulna deviation or just looseness of grip to get the racket arm angle straighter?
the HEELLLLOOO literally scared me 😂
Hahahaha sorry about that.
la la la
2MT, seems to me that the trick is to level the racquet to the floor on the take back. The preparation does not matter. The rest fall in place as he proceeds. The shot will have less spin but more power, a flatter shot. Also, the finish is on the side. The racket goes a little up after contact, and that happens naturally.
(5.00 min.) With all respect! You can't really call it prestretch, if you mean the prestretch of the forearm flexors (Frank Starling's law says that as the rate of extension increases, the contractility increases). There is no contraction of the forearm flexors. The wrist stays stable. It is the lag of the racket leading up to the point of contact. This causes a greater angular velocity of the racket, which also increases the trackspeed. However, some topplayers are not comfortable with this. They feel less stability and control.
Players such as Delpotro, Stephanek and Sharapova already bring the wrist into maximum dorsiflexion and do not change this again in the run-up to the point of contact.
I appreciate your thoughts Oscar!
I might be wrong, but IMHO berrettini's forehand motion is suboptimal, relying too much on the forearm and wrist. It can still generate huge power, but it looks to me very injury-prone... especially for amateur players who lack of systematic condition training and recovery treatment (and the tendency to abuse it over and over), it is a decent invitation for injury
I 100% agree with you. I’m not a fan of his technique. There are still things we can learn from him but overall I don’t enjoy watching him hit a ball.
1st
Great job! Thanks Jai
Yakkity Yakkity yak yak yak …..way too much over analysis 🤦♂️
bum technique, not a top player
Thanks for the comment!
@@2MinuteTennis whhen he play with djokovic he can not hit the winner
@@tennisone6376 bro i mean even if he Loses Wimbledon he has more winners thank djoker so 🧢
@@tennisone6376 Ok thanks for your thoughts. 😊👍
Yeah what a bum. He can only get the the final of Wimbeldon! How easy!