@@at0micl0bster Yeah but each one just keep somehow getting worse. Okay 4 had problems but at least it didn't recycle old enemies. Okay Origins wasn't great but hey it's the first attempt by anybody who isn't Team Silent. Okay Homecoming was pretty terrible but at least the idea of a veteran coming back to Silent Hill is potentially really good, and some of the monsters are neat, if a bit more over the top than usual. Okay Downpour has an even more incoherent story and VASTLY worse monster design, but at least it was more ambitious in trying something new and had REALLY cool otherworld transitions. Okay at least all of those were GAMES.
@@at0micl0bsterIt's been burning, sure, but every now and then Konami goes and throws something worse than the last on top of it. Tires, batteries, some poor child's beloved doll, corpses, feces... It's hard to imagine what they could come up with next!
You know, it might be lol. I have some vague memory of Fry sitting with buttons in a theater seat. I tried searching around for a clip, but I can't find it.@@TheDrLeviathan
@@movingtarget12321 it's something like "If you want to see Calculan get in the robo Ferrari, press 1 now!" Or something like that. Also, those Limmy skits with the call in RPG segments come to mind (Like the "Kill Jester" skit)
Guts would totally tease Pyramid Head back in Daikatana High, with how easy he lifts his big sword. Cloud Strife, too. "Nerd! Great Knife represnting Burden and Guilt? Don't know what's the issue, we handle ours just fine!" - Guts, proceeding to spill soda on Pyramid Head's aca joe Windbreaker, which is why he wears the virgin killer sweater before James enters Silent Hill.
It's because I love Silent Hill, that I want Silent Hill to die. I don't want it to suffer anymore. I don't want to see the horrible, twisted abomination it has become anymore.
I mean, I watched that SH stream Konami put out but even I admit I couldn't get my hopes up after hearing about the SH2 movie with Christoph Gans returning alongside the SH2 remake. The remake, however, I kinda see as dropping formalities, though, since a majority of SH games after 4 were SH2 inspired. And now someone can make an official SH2 remake. The rest of the stuff was barely more than mildly interesting. Yeah, that one teaser in the end looked neat but it's just a teaser
@@Shadest For the love of Jesus, my brain went on auto-fill when you said "Kojumbo". Now I want a really popular indie game where a young, promising video game dev got turned away from the gaming industry thanks to corporate greed/meddling, so he just decided to dedicate the better years of his life towards becoming a respectable police detective with all the swagger of an old-school cop show protagonist. Think of it like a weird combo between Disco Elysium & MGS1. Edit: Sorry for the long-winded comment. My bi-polar disorder has been kicking my ass all day, so I'm trying to keep my brain busy.
What I'm hearing from these cynical bastards is that we have never been closer to seeing an actual real-world appearance of Triangle Girl and Tina Yautja. (That's one for the olds in the room)
it's actually extremely fitting that konami is the company that would travel the world to find the remains of something it already destroyed just so it could revive it and destroy it even harder.
You know, despite Shattered Memories being pushed as a remake of SH1 for marketing purposes, I'll always give it props for at least trying to tell its own emotional story with its own gimmicks and twists, as opposed to just aping Silent Hill 2 and Pyramid Head again for the third or fourth time.
Eh, arguably Shattered Memories did ape SH2 as well. Both used the "loved one's death" twist in some fashion, something that isn't known by the 'main character' initiall as it was repressed. Both SH2 and SM also endings based on how you acted while playing the game. That said, it did try to deviate from SH2 more than Homedowning and Comepour.
@@RippahRooJizah Just because it involved a loved one’s death doesn’t make them the same twist. Outside of that one vague element, they’re completely different twists and resolutions within two very different stories.
Good to see that Pat is still using "The Civil War" to refer to basically any period of US history before the 20th century. It's that kind of consistency that keeps Crazy Talk so powerful.
So for those of you rubbernecking this train wreck, the further you go into it the worse it gets. It's kind of hilarious just how short and bad the 'scenes' are. There's a couple of okay actors , but also a definite air of no one being given direction. They blast up weird usernames for every offhand character, bc if your use enough Influencer Points, you had the majority of the choice, which is called a Gold Choice or something and that means your create-a-character gets used as the model for a background person. That's just an example, but there's plenty else wrong with it. It's.... honestly kind of amazing how awful every part of this thing comes out. The only thing i can give it is that a couple of monster designs are kind of interesting.
No it's not. I've been watching the 'video' playback on RUclips and it's near incomprehensible. And that's being derivative, too (half the story is "did this guy kill his wife?")
I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a hack, but I can't say I'm a fan of the way he structures stories. The "mystery box" formula he talks about is a terrible plot-device in my opinion that comes off as jingling the car-keys to the audience and leads to consequences down the line.
This is one of the rare instances I feel bad for the devs because you can tell Konami's greedy hands were in the cookie jar even if the base idea for it was terrible.
Nah I can't feel bad for them. If Konami really mandated this kind of greedy monetization program, the least the company could've done was communicate before LAUNCH DAY on how said monetization works.
Don't feel bad for them, Genvid's CEO has done everything he can to justify their decisions. Including having a meltdown live on stream while trying to justify the game's monetization.
I have trouble feeling bad for "innocent devs" who never leave the project or do anything to fight back against this kind of shit. I've personally left 4 jobs over my lifetime due to ethical or moral concerns with the work I was doing, and I get that it's not easy, but it's also not impossible. Spinelessness workers doing as their ordered to is not the kind of person to lionize.
The name Pyramid Head came from the game itself. It's from the item description of the Great Knife: "Massive weapon wielded by Pyramid Head. Hard to use, but lethal." Fans didn't just make it up. Pat wrong as always.
Flavor text from an English translation. And the word from the dude who designed the monster are very different sources. I'll take the word of the guy who made the fuckin thing, and the games story over some dumb ass text.
Feel free to correct me on this if I’m wrong, but I’ve heard Pat say it a couple times now and I’m pretty sure I’m not. “Pyramid Head” is in fact, the character’s actual name. James initially calls him “red pyramid thing” in the apartments when he’s still not sure what he is, but at the end of the game after learning the truth of everything and acknowledging Pyramid Head and where he came from, you can interact with his body where James will comment, “Pyramid Head won’t move anymore.” Meaning that was his intended name as early as his original debut and the name “red pyramid thing” was more an in-universe placeholder as James doesn’t know his actual name yet. It kind of reminds me of in an rpg when you talk to a character but they haven’t introduced themselves yet, so the game just calls them, “Intelligent looking boy” or something. Unless of course the japanese name is different, I don’t know.
@@fluidthought42 The problem with citing names from the game files is that most of the time they’re made early in development before the story and characters are finalized. A lot of games refer to characters internally by different names for this reason. As for what’s in the game, I think he’s given three potential names, Pyramid Head, Red Devil and Red Pyramid Thing. I’m pretty sure Red Pyramid Thing is used the most so I get where the thought comes from, but I never read it as literal, more that he was so mysterious and unknowable that the characters could only describe him by appearance to others. That’s why I personally think Pyramid Head makes the most sense, it’s the only time someone who actually knows what he is addresses him. Of course, it’s Silent Hill and everything’s intentionally vague so we can never be 100% sure. Who knows if he was even meant to have a definitive name back then and they just stuck with Pyramid Head after the fact.
I was listening to this while driving, and completely lost my shit when it was revealed what the 3 banned words were. That was the hardest I've laughed for a while.
Man, I usually would laugh at the misfortunes of NFT guys but getting your eyes burned out is horrifying, I hope there's still some way those poor bastards can get help or mitigate the damage.
The best they could do is sue whoever was in charge but knowing how that works it may be a year or longer until they get some financial compensation for their medical bills.
11:40 I knew as soon as woolie started this that pat would bring up the alt pyramid head characters. I cant speak for Origins, but PERSONALLY I think the Boogeyman from downpour is the closest we got to a adequate successor to Pyramid Head, I think they did alot of interesting and unique things with him, that would've been better if the game wasn't, y'know...an unreal engine trashfire to play. And Im not opposed to having iterations on "The Trauma Monster" like Woolie said. To me its kinda like the "Stalkers" from the resident evil series, Mr. X, Nemesis, Jack Baker, Lady D. Its COOL to have this sorta rival character in games, its why people like Vergil, Zero, and Shadow, to have silent hill take that concept and turn it in on itself and make the monster YOUR manifestation is honestly a great design motif, and for a series founded in psychological horror I dont see any better way TO do that kinda thing.
"Guys, what game should we make?" "Well, it should definitely have microtransactions, NFT's, lootboxes, be always online, something with crypto, be a scam, kill your mother, kill your dog, cancel your health insurance, and the creative director should be some kind of A.I. chatbot instead of a human" "Yes"
Fact Check, the incident with the UV lights was at a similar party run by the same company in 2017 where a contract worker installed UV lights instead of stage lights. Nobody is sure what happened this time, yet.
Every Moonscorched contestant from Fear & Hunger 2 is a better Pyramid Head than any of the off-brand Pyramid Heads from Silent Hill, because even if directly recreating it was not his intention, Miro Haverinen understands the purpose of that kind of monster better than any of the teams who worked on the later Silent Hill games. It is the darkest and most unkind reflection of a character's loathing and self-doubt, manifested in a form based on their understanding of the world around them. James saw a painting of a Civil War-era executioner, and compared it to the role he played in Mary's final days, and the image of that seeks to torment him physically in the way his own self-loathing tortures him mentally. The Moonscorched versions of the contestants similarly evoke themes related to the worst aspects of their human forms: Olivia's wheelchair, and how she feels it inconveniences both her and those around her; O'saa's obsession with knowledge and control; Karin's pride and sense of duty as a reporter. The key is that in order to be effective, the monster needs to be tailor-made to the character it haunts.
Looking at this trainwreck, I'm reminded of a Pat quote from the days of yore: "I'd rather have nothing." Go back to pachinko, Konami. The gaming world is better off without you.
Paige should just turn one of her fanfics into a Silent Hill script & call the next game, "Silent Hill: SunDowning" ❤😂 It would be the greatest thing in Silent Hill history since its inception!
The threshold for spinning up a new NFT is relatively low enough that someone has probably already made, or will make in a few days, "Blind Ape Yacht Club" NFTs.
One of the big reasons I respect Resident Evil is that when a villain is dead or irrelevant, its gone, no matter how iconic or popular. Nemesis? Dead. Mr X? Dead. Albert fucking Wesker, who many consider the main villain of the franchise, dead since 2009, without a word of bringing him back.
Do you know how f&cking incompetent someone would have to be to *accidentally* order/source/acquire medical grade UV lights, install them into a lighting setup, but somehow not notice anything is amiss?
The whole James seeing a picture of an executioner happens way late into the game and "pyramid head" isn't a fan name but the actual name of the character in the description of the great knife weapon. Defuq Pat
Every time the Silent Hill fandom sees a new game and it turns out to be total dogshit, the online reaction reminds me of the girl from the first movie who has a breakdown while screaming "SILENT HILL!!!" from the top of her lungs
Silent Hill doesn't have a fan base, it has mourners... It hasn't had a good game since 2004, stop trying to Pet Cemetery this franchise you fickers...
what i find funny is that konami will see the negative feedback from this and be like "wow they really hate silent hill huh /: might as well cancel the rest i knew this was a bad idea"
Are there just some people to whom the Internet is a brand-new experience? I mean, imagine setting up something as large-scale as this and thinking "nobody would ever want to corrupt or pervert this".
I don't know how these post-Team Silent developers trying to recreate Pyramid Head can expect anything but failure when none of them are trying to solve the specific problem that the Team Silent solved by creating Pyramid Head, which is create a big spooky fucking persecutor who serves the story of James Sunderland (spoilers) specifically by reenacting the source of his guilt over and over again by killing literal escort quest/analogue to his wife, Maria. Instead they keep working in this ass-backwards way where they write the main character's backstory so that a Pyramid-Head-copy-paste can exist. Every single game with a Pyramid Head copy (or just literally Pyramid Head again) has a secretly-I-killed-someone main character backstory with incredibly varied levels of making any god damn sense. It turns out, to make good psychological horror you need to actually write solid characters.
Honestly I don't even believe the scenes are actually prerendered. I think they're done IN ENGINE. What engine? Why? I dunno. But I suspect that's how they get cameo characters in, they're basically create-a-characters in any other game. This may be why the animations are so off sometimes. I once saw in b-roll footage in an interview they did that a character was 45 degrees out of place while closing a door in an otherwise fully rendered scene. I could even go one step further in my speculation that I wouldn't be surprised if they're using AI to assist with either the animation or maybe part of the writing. That's just how off kilter everything is in the worst possible way. Like, scenes where they should have TOTAL CONTROL of the actors still have a bunch of weirdness in how character move and talk. We may never get any confirmation on any of this but that's what it feels like watching it. The best form this could've taken was an Until Dawn type game with twitch integration but I don't think they were ever capable of putting in the work that would require. Oh, one final note. The way Genvid talks about affecting the "canon" of Silent Hill makes a lot more sense when you realize that all there other projects are based on much looser, comic booky IPs. The Walking Dead previously, and a planned DC comics and Borderlands projects. So they're kinda carrying over language from those over to SH.
A very clever move by Konami, knowing that everyone is going to be super critical of the Silent Hill 2 remake, they release the biggest pile of shit ever related to the franchise, so anything that Bloober Team craps out can only look like an improvement.
Maybe Konami should go back to doing Pachinko forever. Honestly tho, now Bloober Team's SH2 remake is already better because no matter how bad it is, at least it's not a micro transaction filled not-game. As far as we know.
The reason Kojima left Konami was because they wanted him to make MGS-themed Pachinko machines, right? Why would you make a video game developer solely responsible for something like that? I'm sure Pachinko machines make a lot of money, but designing them can't be as time consuming as making a video game. I feel like they could have afforded to get someone else to make the pachinko machines unless they really wanted to stop making videogames, but wanted to keep Kojima on their staff.
Bruh, "Red Pyramid Thing" vs "Pyramidhead" is like Freddy Kruger's intended characterization from Wes Kraven vs how we engage with Robert's Freddy today...
the most horrid thing about todays world is that everyone needs an origin story of 2-3 hour long video essay explaining the thing because most consumers cant be bothered to actually engage with the media they consume. I watch explain videos because I HAVENT consumed all the media for the series like light novels, CD drama, bloated mobile games, etc that may legitimately matter to the lore and characters but some of these people couldn't gather what's even 50% of what's happening even when the actually keep up with the series
I think the issue here is that people engage too much in media nowadays... As if they were literally living in the game world itself. It's called immersion and I have never really understood it. Do you people actually believe you're Link and you're roaming around in Hyrule collecting Koroks? If so that's kind of pathetic. I can get getting into the flow, where you control the character as if it was an extension of yourself, but you're still aware it's a damn video game. Now every single chucklef*ck are a little bit too invested in games where they need to know every single detail and lore explanation behind the Well outside of Link's house as if it legit was their own house.
@@diegomedina9637 firstly, they're both engaged and not with this stuff. they eat, breath, and drink the stuff but they're incapable of digesting anything but the surface stuff most of the time. secondly, there's immersion and then there's a level of illusion where some people just shouldn't consume fiction for the well-being of everyone which is what you're describing. immersion is just like reading a book or watching a show/movie you're engrossed in the world presented but the added agency of games creates an extra dimension of immersion what you are describing is a mental condition
@@diegomedina9637I've literally never heard anyone say they're so immersed they think they're a videogame character living in the game world. That sounds like some funny greentext story you read about once and unironically believed. Being overly invested and poor media literacy are real issues, but they are separate from whatever you think people mean when they say "immersion".
@@_Sage967_ Well then at least 50% of the entire internet is quite literally mentally ill, because that's exactly what people are doing just describing it as "Muh immersion tho"
Why the fuck would I want to play steam games in a car. Can you fuckin imagine your shotgun passenger literally playing like dark souls right in the corner of your vision. I'd crash like immediately, what a terrible idea. Like the ONE time a year when you have to sit in your car waiting for an airport pickup or some shit.
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Sledgehammer gasmask not pyramid head from downpour could have maybe worked if the payoff to his build up hadn't been finding out who's face was under the mask, and that answer being dependent on the "choices" throughout the game.
Woolie "I can't believe the absolute vile things that were being said in that chat with nobody moderating it" Pat "Woolie the only person in the chat for an hour was you"
I still don't know how people can have faith in SIlent Hill by this point anyway - it has been two decades since last good Silent Hill game. Well, I did hear Shattered Memories was good. Still, 14 years or so.
This is not at all a dunk on Woolie. But the way he says Pyramidhead I kind of hear Permithead. And because my brain is dumb that naturally went to Kermithead. So now Kermithead.
Kojima’s name was never banned, the chat eventually got disabled because people didn’t give a fuck and we’re just shitposting, I saw people streaming it spamming the chat with “HIDEO KOJIMA CUMMY IN MY TUMMY.” or some shit like that
It would have been way easier (and honestly kinda rad) if they had actually written and filmed things as they went so the choices actually could matter. And don't tell me that's impossible; old soap operas like Days of Our Lives came out with 5 episodes a week, every week, for _literal decades._ Surely Silent Hill can manage _one._
Pyramid Head/Red Pyramid Thing is the Shadow The Hedgehog of Silent Hill - somehow ending up in multiple games purely because people thought he was cool, despite the fact that his narrative purpose was completely exhausted in that first appearance and being killed without any reasonable means to return. Ironically, if he got a spin off game where he smashed up Silent Hill in a sort of DMC/Bayonetta vein whilst having an existential crisis over the nature of his being, it would probably be more in keeping with the series than either Shadow the Hedgehog or Book of Memories are to their respective franchises.
I've never cared about actually watching horror but I'm always really interested to learn the lore and mechanics behind some spooky shit that the writer came up with, like I have zero desire to watch the halloween series because the answer to the question "why is michael myers immortal and unstoppable" being "because he's the shape" "what does that mean?" "doesn't matter" is really boring to me. On the flipside it's one of the reasons I enjoy games like resident evil so much, particularly 7 and 8 at the end of each game there's an area near the end where you find out what the mould is, why it does what it does, how it works, that shit is nirvana. I don't care about being scared, I just want to read the writer's version of the SCP wiki for their movie or game.
Its not even that the banned Hideo Kojima and the word scam, that i can understand from a dublicitous shitty corporate perspective, but the fact that those were the ONLY BANNED WORDS?!?!? How do you eveb get away with doing that in the 21st century?!?!
It would take TWO SECONDS to get a encompassing list of words to ban, just google or GPT and copy paste. But someone up top was like "NO! Don't waste company time on that just ban the word scam and Hideo Kojima. Because we don't want people talking about that in our game!" Well.... more or less
The biggest surprise of that NFT story is that there's still enough money in NFTs to throw a rave
I was surprised there were still enough NFTbros to afford going to that rave. And you KNOW there wasn't a single woman in sight lmao
Nfts, now instead of metaphorically, LITERALLY involves the blind leading the blind.
I was certain that died out
Nature healing itself.
I thought it was that they had to pay EXTRA to get disinfectant lights to be able to blind people.
*walks up to the burning dumpster*
[inhales sharply]
"There was a beloved franchise here. It's gone now"
That would imply the fire hasn't been around for 10 years already.
@@RippahRooJizahthat fires been burning since silent hill 4
@@at0micl0bster Yeah but each one just keep somehow getting worse.
Okay 4 had problems but at least it didn't recycle old enemies.
Okay Origins wasn't great but hey it's the first attempt by anybody who isn't Team Silent.
Okay Homecoming was pretty terrible but at least the idea of a veteran coming back to Silent Hill is potentially really good, and some of the monsters are neat, if a bit more over the top than usual.
Okay Downpour has an even more incoherent story and VASTLY worse monster design, but at least it was more ambitious in trying something new and had REALLY cool otherworld transitions.
Okay at least all of those were GAMES.
@@at0micl0bsterIt's been burning, sure, but every now and then Konami goes and throws something worse than the last on top of it. Tires, batteries, some poor child's beloved doll, corpses, feces... It's hard to imagine what they could come up with next!
@@wadespencer3623 I bowed out after pre-ordering homecoming, that game fucking sucks
silent hill fans constantly finding out that it can in fact be even more over than it currently is
I feel this whole concept is something you'd see in Futurama for like a single skit.
It deserves to be one, for real
It is one, isn't it? Didn't they do this with Calculon?
@@TheDrLeviathanThey absolutely did lol
You know, it might be lol. I have some vague memory of Fry sitting with buttons in a theater seat. I tried searching around for a clip, but I can't find it.@@TheDrLeviathan
@@movingtarget12321 it's something like "If you want to see Calculan get in the robo Ferrari, press 1 now!" Or something like that. Also, those Limmy skits with the call in RPG segments come to mind (Like the "Kill Jester" skit)
Omega-fumbling their IP and tripping over their own shoelaces face first onto a landmine truly is Konami's silent-hill.
It's the game itself that's the true horror not the gameplay
Just when you thought Downcoming was the lowest point of SH series
We sure aren't TOWN with this
Sad thing is, I'm actually excited for Townfall, and if this AND the SH2 Remake do poorly I don't know if anything else will come out.
@@FatBirdTRexSo you are Town?!
@@deslacooda I am SO TOWN
@@FatBirdTRex There's also Silent Hill f to potentially look forward to
I would say Book of Memories was the worst one.... until this piece of trash.
"Oh we got ROBBED!" summarized not just what Silent Hills could have been, but also the struggle of SH fans for like 15 years
Fans of literally any konami IP
pyramid head has to be like that... his parents are gone and he needs to take care of triangle girl in this harsh economy
Triangle girl has expensive tastes, but hey, she's still way hotter than Polygon Woman! 😂
Guts would totally tease Pyramid Head back in Daikatana High, with how easy he lifts his big sword.
Cloud Strife, too.
"Nerd! Great Knife represnting Burden and Guilt? Don't know what's the issue, we handle ours just fine!" - Guts, proceeding to spill soda on Pyramid Head's aca joe Windbreaker, which is why he wears the virgin killer sweater before James enters Silent Hill.
Sadly, Triangle Girl's father, Triangle Man, abandoned her to pursue his vendetta against Particle Man.
that is his TRAUMA. thus he is a silent hill.
It's because I love Silent Hill, that I want Silent Hill to die. I don't want it to suffer anymore. I don't want to see the horrible, twisted abomination it has become anymore.
Geez, this sounds like that interview Miyazaki had about Dark Souls when he got to make DS3 and wanted the series to end proper before getting milked.
*as Konami faps instead of putting the horse out of its misery*
Time to bust out the pillow
dang it was about to make that joke@@Macabrellian
Between Silent Hill Ascension and the MGS Legacy Collection, I do believe some people have just... forgot exactly what kind of company Konami is.
I mean, I watched that SH stream Konami put out but even I admit I couldn't get my hopes up after hearing about the SH2 movie with Christoph Gans returning alongside the SH2 remake. The remake, however, I kinda see as dropping formalities, though, since a majority of SH games after 4 were SH2 inspired. And now someone can make an official SH2 remake.
The rest of the stuff was barely more than mildly interesting. Yeah, that one teaser in the end looked neat but it's just a teaser
BREAKING: Name “Hideo Kojima” Confirmed Worse Than the N-Word by Konami
Kojima is our word, you can say Kojumbo tho
Never use the "hard A" if you're not a Konami employee.
@@Shadest For the love of Jesus, my brain went on auto-fill when you said "Kojumbo".
Now I want a really popular indie game where a young, promising video game dev got turned away from the gaming industry thanks to corporate greed/meddling, so he just decided to dedicate the better years of his life towards becoming a respectable police detective with all the swagger of an old-school cop show protagonist.
Think of it like a weird combo between Disco Elysium & MGS1.
Edit: Sorry for the long-winded comment. My bi-polar disorder has been kicking my ass all day, so I'm trying to keep my brain busy.
@@Secret_TakodachiKojimer
Kojimer
I wonder if "Koji", "Igarashi", or "IGA" are also banned words. (Former Castlevania game director/producer)
No. Only Hideo and Kojima were banned because of P.T.
Better throw "bloodstained" on that list
What I'm hearing from these cynical bastards is that we have never been closer to seeing an actual real-world appearance of Triangle Girl and Tina Yautja.
(That's one for the olds in the room)
i went to high school with Triangle Girl. she gives the WORST head!
I felt that fellow old timer AND i apreciate It
If they ever decide to show a Triangle Girl and don’t contact Plauge for consultation on the design, we riot
@@yukaiyami
A finger on the Monkey's paw curls
You get shadman instead
it's actually extremely fitting that konami is the company that would travel the world to find the remains of something it already destroyed just so it could revive it and destroy it even harder.
So IRL Simon's Quest.
You know, despite Shattered Memories being pushed as a remake of SH1 for marketing purposes, I'll always give it props for at least trying to tell its own emotional story with its own gimmicks and twists, as opposed to just aping Silent Hill 2 and Pyramid Head again for the third or fourth time.
SH1 and Shattered Memories is like Hurt by NIN getting covered by Johnny Cash.
Eh, arguably Shattered Memories did ape SH2 as well. Both used the "loved one's death" twist in some fashion, something that isn't known by the 'main character' initiall as it was repressed. Both SH2 and SM also endings based on how you acted while playing the game.
That said, it did try to deviate from SH2 more than Homedowning and Comepour.
Shattered Memories is the Steel Ball Run version of Silent Hill 1
It’s really a “re-imagining”. That’s what it was marketed as, and it’s an appropriate term.
@@RippahRooJizah
Just because it involved a loved one’s death doesn’t make them the same twist. Outside of that one vague element, they’re completely different twists and resolutions within two very different stories.
man, Konami are really nailing the horror vibes this year, i didn't take them for such big fans of Pet Sematary
Sometimes, dead is bettuh
Good to see that Pat is still using "The Civil War" to refer to basically any period of US history before the 20th century. It's that kind of consistency that keeps Crazy Talk so powerful.
To be fair there were quite a lot of civil wars during that time
There's more?!
So for those of you rubbernecking this train wreck, the further you go into it the worse it gets. It's kind of hilarious just how short and bad the 'scenes' are. There's a couple of okay actors , but also a definite air of no one being given direction.
They blast up weird usernames for every offhand character, bc if your use enough Influencer Points, you had the majority of the choice, which is called a Gold Choice or something and that means your create-a-character gets used as the model for a background person.
That's just an example, but there's plenty else wrong with it. It's.... honestly kind of amazing how awful every part of this thing comes out.
The only thing i can give it is that a couple of monster designs are kind of interesting.
Silent Hill Ascension is an amazing experience... for the people who aren't playing...
Yesterday I was lamenting that there isn't a Stadia/Fallout 76/Epic v Apple going on and I guess I just haven't been paying attention good enough.
No it's not. I've been watching the 'video' playback on RUclips and it's near incomprehensible. And that's being derivative, too (half the story is "did this guy kill his wife?")
@@FatBirdTRexso a choose your own adventure nightmare
@@kadosho02except instead of "do you want this to happen? Turn to page 132" it's "give me money"
The funny thing is, this whole thing reminds me a lot of Quantum Break and its strange focus on trying to be a TV-show/game hybrid.
JJ Abrams is on his 3rd streak being involved with a previously established IP and something somehow has gone wrong
Guys, I think JJ Abrams is not so good after all.
It’s almost like J. J. Abrams is… bad. At everything. And should never be allowed near a project ever again.
Fucking hack.
@@The5lackerdidn't everyone already know this?
I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a hack, but I can't say I'm a fan of the way he structures stories. The "mystery box" formula he talks about is a terrible plot-device in my opinion that comes off as jingling the car-keys to the audience and leads to consequences down the line.
I've been waiting to see your guys' reaction to this piece of sca- *BANNED*
A slow burn of a dumpster fire. That's just splendid isn't it?
This is one of the rare instances I feel bad for the devs because you can tell Konami's greedy hands were in the cookie jar even if the base idea for it was terrible.
Genvid are the devs, and they've been doing this garbage for years
Nah I can't feel bad for them. If Konami really mandated this kind of greedy monetization program, the least the company could've done was communicate before LAUNCH DAY on how said monetization works.
@@BBrawler101 Let's not forget Konami is the company whose main income comes from pachinko.
Don't feel bad for them, Genvid's CEO has done everything he can to justify their decisions. Including having a meltdown live on stream while trying to justify the game's monetization.
I have trouble feeling bad for "innocent devs" who never leave the project or do anything to fight back against this kind of shit. I've personally left 4 jobs over my lifetime due to ethical or moral concerns with the work I was doing, and I get that it's not easy, but it's also not impossible. Spinelessness workers doing as their ordered to is not the kind of person to lionize.
The name Pyramid Head came from the game itself. It's from the item description of the Great Knife: "Massive weapon wielded by Pyramid Head. Hard to use, but lethal."
Fans didn't just make it up. Pat wrong as always.
He was right, his stand just activated.
While embellishments abound, they discussed it in the lp, he just straight up forgot.
Flavor text from an English translation. And the word from the dude who designed the monster are very different sources. I'll take the word of the guy who made the fuckin thing, and the games story over some dumb ass text.
@@rigorgrynn4469 I wasn't aware that ingame flavor text counted as being made totally up by fans. My bad.
@@rigorgrynn4469James also calls it Pyramid Head when you examine the corpses of the two you fight near the end and the items you get from them.
IIRC, Silent Hill Origins tried to make their legally distinct Red Pyramid Thing. They called it The Butcher.
Feel free to correct me on this if I’m wrong, but I’ve heard Pat say it a couple times now and I’m pretty sure I’m not. “Pyramid Head” is in fact, the character’s actual name. James initially calls him “red pyramid thing” in the apartments when he’s still not sure what he is, but at the end of the game after learning the truth of everything and acknowledging Pyramid Head and where he came from, you can interact with his body where James will comment, “Pyramid Head won’t move anymore.” Meaning that was his intended name as early as his original debut and the name “red pyramid thing” was more an in-universe placeholder as James doesn’t know his actual name yet. It kind of reminds me of in an rpg when you talk to a character but they haven’t introduced themselves yet, so the game just calls them, “Intelligent looking boy” or something. Unless of course the japanese name is different, I don’t know.
Red Pyramid Thing is what the creature is referred to as in the code, and even within other bits of SH2.
@@fluidthought42 The problem with citing names from the game files is that most of the time they’re made early in development before the story and characters are finalized. A lot of games refer to characters internally by different names for this reason.
As for what’s in the game, I think he’s given three potential names, Pyramid Head, Red Devil and Red Pyramid Thing. I’m pretty sure Red Pyramid Thing is used the most so I get where the thought comes from, but I never read it as literal, more that he was so mysterious and unknowable that the characters could only describe him by appearance to others. That’s why I personally think Pyramid Head makes the most sense, it’s the only time someone who actually knows what he is addresses him.
Of course, it’s Silent Hill and everything’s intentionally vague so we can never be 100% sure. Who knows if he was even meant to have a definitive name back then and they just stuck with Pyramid Head after the fact.
14:00 it’s an anime called school days, Woolie. The ending is very much a reprieve from the episodes before it. Worth it, but only on a binge.
Nice boat!
I was listening to this while driving, and completely lost my shit when it was revealed what the 3 banned words were. That was the hardest I've laughed for a while.
Man, I usually would laugh at the misfortunes of NFT guys but getting your eyes burned out is horrifying, I hope there's still some way those poor bastards can get help or mitigate the damage.
The best they could do is sue whoever was in charge but knowing how that works it may be a year or longer until they get some financial compensation for their medical bills.
11:40
I knew as soon as woolie started this that pat would bring up the alt pyramid head characters.
I cant speak for Origins, but PERSONALLY I think the Boogeyman from downpour is the closest we got to a adequate successor to Pyramid Head, I think they did alot of interesting and unique things with him, that would've been better if the game wasn't, y'know...an unreal engine trashfire to play. And Im not opposed to having iterations on "The Trauma Monster" like Woolie said.
To me its kinda like the "Stalkers" from the resident evil series, Mr. X, Nemesis, Jack Baker, Lady D.
Its COOL to have this sorta rival character in games, its why people like Vergil, Zero, and Shadow, to have silent hill take that concept and turn it in on itself and make the monster YOUR manifestation is honestly a great design motif, and for a series founded in psychological horror I dont see any better way TO do that kinda thing.
Speaking of psychological trauma monster, foggy town against regular people in a movie style game
it's called DARK ANTHOLOGY LITTLE HOPE
now make it good
Silent hill ascension is like Konomi saw what people were afraid of, of a microtransaction hellscape, and was like "yeah we can make it worse"
"Guys, what game should we make?"
"Well, it should definitely have microtransactions, NFT's, lootboxes, be always online, something with crypto, be a scam, kill your mother, kill your dog, cancel your health insurance, and the creative director should be some kind of A.I. chatbot instead of a human"
"Yes"
fun fact about the filter:
It's case sensitive
so lower case kojima just goes right through
10:31 pyramidhead is called red pyramid thing one time. he is called pyramidhead five times.
Fact Check, the incident with the UV lights was at a similar party run by the same company in 2017 where a contract worker installed UV lights instead of stage lights. Nobody is sure what happened this time, yet.
Wait so are you saying the same company blinded people twice? Or is it an old story resurfacing?
@@johnrivers3813 it looks like the same company managed to hire bottom tier riggers who can't tell UV-C from Black Lights... twice, yes.
Every Moonscorched contestant from Fear & Hunger 2 is a better Pyramid Head than any of the off-brand Pyramid Heads from Silent Hill, because even if directly recreating it was not his intention, Miro Haverinen understands the purpose of that kind of monster better than any of the teams who worked on the later Silent Hill games. It is the darkest and most unkind reflection of a character's loathing and self-doubt, manifested in a form based on their understanding of the world around them. James saw a painting of a Civil War-era executioner, and compared it to the role he played in Mary's final days, and the image of that seeks to torment him physically in the way his own self-loathing tortures him mentally. The Moonscorched versions of the contestants similarly evoke themes related to the worst aspects of their human forms: Olivia's wheelchair, and how she feels it inconveniences both her and those around her; O'saa's obsession with knowledge and control; Karin's pride and sense of duty as a reporter. The key is that in order to be effective, the monster needs to be tailor-made to the character it haunts.
Looking at this trainwreck, I'm reminded of a Pat quote from the days of yore: "I'd rather have nothing."
Go back to pachinko, Konami. The gaming world is better off without you.
go back to arcade archives konami*
Paige should just turn one of her fanfics into a Silent Hill script & call the next game, "Silent Hill: SunDowning" ❤😂 It would be the greatest thing in Silent Hill history since its inception!
The threshold for spinning up a new NFT is relatively low enough that someone has probably already made, or will make in a few days, "Blind Ape Yacht Club" NFTs.
I dunno bout u guys but I really wanna know how The Head Guy got pyramided.
Thought let yall know that sh: ascension is streaming on tubi with new episodes every week apparently.
One of the big reasons I respect Resident Evil is that when a villain is dead or irrelevant, its gone, no matter how iconic or popular. Nemesis? Dead. Mr X? Dead. Albert fucking Wesker, who many consider the main villain of the franchise, dead since 2009, without a word of bringing him back.
Do you know how f&cking incompetent someone would have to be to *accidentally* order/source/acquire medical grade UV lights, install them into a lighting setup, but somehow not notice anything is amiss?
W-well, there's still the Ryukishi07 Silent Hill, r-right..?
Ill be so upset if the ryu07 game is isnt good
The whole James seeing a picture of an executioner happens way late into the game and "pyramid head" isn't a fan name but the actual name of the character in the description of the great knife weapon. Defuq Pat
And red pyramid thing is what the character describes him as in dialouge/text.
Pat canonly ever be half right.
But it’s implied he saw that picture of the executioner during one of his trips with Mary.
@@chrisgostanian6753 when?
@@ColdNorth0628he calls him red pyramid thing once and calls him pyramid head like six times
@@clanofclams2720alright looks like I found another excuse to watch it again
Every time the Silent Hill fandom sees a new game and it turns out to be total dogshit, the online reaction reminds me of the girl from the first movie who has a breakdown while screaming "SILENT HILL!!!" from the top of her lungs
Silent Hill doesn't have a fan base, it has mourners...
It hasn't had a good game since 2004, stop trying to Pet Cemetery this franchise you fickers...
Agree
I don't remember that one
what i find funny is that konami will see the negative feedback from this and be like "wow they really hate silent hill huh /: might as well cancel the rest i knew this was a bad idea"
Silent Hill died to that damn Downpour 11 years ago.
Those are the free market's eyes now.
: Am I town? Do I look like I'm full of monsters? Are you sitting there, eating pizza? I didn't think so. Forget you.
I'm just waiting for the day when Pyramid Head inevitably becomes the mascot of a basketball team.
they *really* could've just made it until dawn and sold it as a game but MAN what the hell
Are there just some people to whom the Internet is a brand-new experience? I mean, imagine setting up something as large-scale as this and thinking "nobody would ever want to corrupt or pervert this".
I swear that the timeline map for SH Ascension are going to end up looking like the maps from Knife Edge: Nose Gunner
Konami: We will let people pay money to speak in our chat.
Paying customers: Impregnate me, Pyramid Head!
Konami: .........
Seriously though what did they expect? A Castle SuperBeast formatted fan mail?
😳😳😳
I don't know how these post-Team Silent developers trying to recreate Pyramid Head can expect anything but failure when none of them are trying to solve the specific problem that the Team Silent solved by creating Pyramid Head, which is create a big spooky fucking persecutor who serves the story of James Sunderland (spoilers) specifically by reenacting the source of his guilt over and over again by killing literal escort quest/analogue to his wife, Maria.
Instead they keep working in this ass-backwards way where they write the main character's backstory so that a Pyramid-Head-copy-paste can exist. Every single game with a Pyramid Head copy (or just literally Pyramid Head again) has a secretly-I-killed-someone main character backstory with incredibly varied levels of making any god damn sense. It turns out, to make good psychological horror you need to actually write solid characters.
Honestly I don't even believe the scenes are actually prerendered. I think they're done IN ENGINE. What engine? Why? I dunno. But I suspect that's how they get cameo characters in, they're basically create-a-characters in any other game. This may be why the animations are so off sometimes. I once saw in b-roll footage in an interview they did that a character was 45 degrees out of place while closing a door in an otherwise fully rendered scene. I could even go one step further in my speculation that I wouldn't be surprised if they're using AI to assist with either the animation or maybe part of the writing. That's just how off kilter everything is in the worst possible way. Like, scenes where they should have TOTAL CONTROL of the actors still have a bunch of weirdness in how character move and talk.
We may never get any confirmation on any of this but that's what it feels like watching it. The best form this could've taken was an Until Dawn type game with twitch integration but I don't think they were ever capable of putting in the work that would require.
Oh, one final note. The way Genvid talks about affecting the "canon" of Silent Hill makes a lot more sense when you realize that all there other projects are based on much looser, comic booky IPs. The Walking Dead previously, and a planned DC comics and Borderlands projects. So they're kinda carrying over language from those over to SH.
Dont worry guys, i will give you the K word Pass
The only positive to Pyramid Head's popularity is that more people understand how Hellraiser fans felt when Hellraiser 3 came out.
A very clever move by Konami, knowing that everyone is going to be super critical of the Silent Hill 2 remake, they release the biggest pile of shit ever related to the franchise, so anything that Bloober Team craps out can only look like an improvement.
how have i only just found out you guys are doing these!
Maybe Konami should go back to doing Pachinko forever.
Honestly tho, now Bloober Team's SH2 remake is already better because no matter how bad it is, at least it's not a micro transaction filled not-game. As far as we know.
Don’t tempt them
better in the same way that a dried up piece of cat poop is better than horse diarrhea
For now, it hasn't. For now.
@@scaldcrowe do you speak from experience?
The best silent hill game in years was that iPad game they played in the old channel.
The reason Kojima left Konami was because they wanted him to make MGS-themed Pachinko machines, right? Why would you make a video game developer solely responsible for something like that? I'm sure Pachinko machines make a lot of money, but designing them can't be as time consuming as making a video game. I feel like they could have afforded to get someone else to make the pachinko machines unless they really wanted to stop making videogames, but wanted to keep Kojima on their staff.
Why have long-term sustainable growth when Japan has a new trend to hop on! (Before it gets ground into the dirt.)
Bruh, "Red Pyramid Thing" vs "Pyramidhead" is like Freddy Kruger's intended characterization from Wes Kraven vs how we engage with Robert's Freddy today...
I was disappointed that such a horror game like P.T. got canned but they at least made a more horrible game
They were wrong about one thing. There were no defenders of Ascension
the most horrid thing about todays world is that everyone needs an origin story of 2-3 hour long video essay explaining the thing because most consumers cant be bothered to actually engage with the media they consume.
I watch explain videos because I HAVENT consumed all the media for the series like light novels, CD drama, bloated mobile games, etc that may legitimately matter to the lore and characters but some of these people couldn't gather what's even 50% of what's happening even when the actually keep up with the series
I mean it doesn't help that alot of modern writers also don't know what they are doing.
I think the issue here is that people engage too much in media nowadays... As if they were literally living in the game world itself. It's called immersion and I have never really understood it. Do you people actually believe you're Link and you're roaming around in Hyrule collecting Koroks? If so that's kind of pathetic. I can get getting into the flow, where you control the character as if it was an extension of yourself, but you're still aware it's a damn video game. Now every single chucklef*ck are a little bit too invested in games where they need to know every single detail and lore explanation behind the Well outside of Link's house as if it legit was their own house.
@@diegomedina9637 firstly, they're both engaged and not with this stuff. they eat, breath, and drink the stuff but they're incapable of digesting anything but the surface stuff most of the time.
secondly, there's immersion and then there's a level of illusion where some people just shouldn't consume fiction for the well-being of everyone which is what you're describing. immersion is just like reading a book or watching a show/movie you're engrossed in the world presented but the added agency of games creates an extra dimension of immersion
what you are describing is a mental condition
@@diegomedina9637I've literally never heard anyone say they're so immersed they think they're a videogame character living in the game world. That sounds like some funny greentext story you read about once and unironically believed.
Being overly invested and poor media literacy are real issues, but they are separate from whatever you think people mean when they say "immersion".
@@_Sage967_ Well then at least 50% of the entire internet is quite literally mentally ill, because that's exactly what people are doing just describing it as "Muh immersion tho"
"You didn't need scams like this when you had Hideo Kojima."
Why the fuck would I want to play steam games in a car. Can you fuckin imagine your shotgun passenger literally playing like dark souls right in the corner of your vision. I'd crash like immediately, what a terrible idea. Like the ONE time a year when you have to sit in your car waiting for an airport pickup or some shit.
“we still don't know pyramid head”
Are you saying you don't know Pyramid Head? Me and Pyramid Head, we go way back!
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James does use the term "pyramid head" in the labyrinth when you grab the great knife it wasn't made up by the fans or anything
Having zero hope in this, somehow it got even worse than i thought
Man Who Thought He'd Lost All Hope Loses Last Additional Bit of Hope He Didn't Even Know He Still Had
Sledgehammer gasmask not pyramid head from downpour could have maybe worked if the payoff to his build up hadn't been finding out who's face was under the mask, and that answer being dependent on the "choices" throughout the game.
Woolie "I can't believe the absolute vile things that were being said in that chat with nobody moderating it" Pat "Woolie the only person in the chat for an hour was you"
I still don't know how people can have faith in SIlent Hill by this point anyway - it has been two decades since last good Silent Hill game.
Well, I did hear Shattered Memories was good. Still, 14 years or so.
This is not at all a dunk on Woolie. But the way he says Pyramidhead I kind of hear Permithead. And because my brain is dumb that naturally went to Kermithead. So now Kermithead.
Konami is almost like a bad husband to a woman that says they changed but goes back to old ways.
Kojima’s name was never banned, the chat eventually got disabled because people didn’t give a fuck and we’re just shitposting, I saw people streaming it spamming the chat with “HIDEO KOJIMA CUMMY IN MY TUMMY.” or some shit like that
I can see that but then again what did they expect?
Pyramid Head appears as a racer in the Krazy Kart Racing game. make of that what you will.
I wish they made a remake of Silent Hill 1 (SH2 is a masterpiece but SH was in my eyes, more scarier)
Silent hill really is the posterchild of "I'd rather have nothing."
This dumpster fire is a slow cooked meal that ends with the ultimate desert... the desecration of Silent hill 2. 😂
When I saw reveal the shock was so jaw dropping i think my jaw fell off because how bad it is
It would have been way easier (and honestly kinda rad) if they had actually written and filmed things as they went so the choices actually could matter. And don't tell me that's impossible; old soap operas like Days of Our Lives came out with 5 episodes a week, every week, for _literal decades._ Surely Silent Hill can manage _one._
If you try to say Hideo Kojima it just comes out as "la li lu le lo" Weird
Cant wait to see what the guys have to say about "Jam-making npc"
Pyramid Head/Red Pyramid Thing is the Shadow The Hedgehog of Silent Hill - somehow ending up in multiple games purely because people thought he was cool, despite the fact that his narrative purpose was completely exhausted in that first appearance and being killed without any reasonable means to return.
Ironically, if he got a spin off game where he smashed up Silent Hill in a sort of DMC/Bayonetta vein whilst having an existential crisis over the nature of his being, it would probably be more in keeping with the series than either Shadow the Hedgehog or Book of Memories are to their respective franchises.
the real silent hill were the money we made along the way ~ konami probably.
lol
Being a silent hill fan must be pure suffering
Vine sauce Joey does a better job creating slow burn scare videos than konami even will
That thumbnail is amazing
I've never cared about actually watching horror but I'm always really interested to learn the lore and mechanics behind some spooky shit that the writer came up with, like I have zero desire to watch the halloween series because the answer to the question "why is michael myers immortal and unstoppable" being "because he's the shape" "what does that mean?" "doesn't matter" is really boring to me. On the flipside it's one of the reasons I enjoy games like resident evil so much, particularly 7 and 8 at the end of each game there's an area near the end where you find out what the mould is, why it does what it does, how it works, that shit is nirvana. I don't care about being scared, I just want to read the writer's version of the SCP wiki for their movie or game.
Silent Hill: Downpour's worst sin was being like an amusement park ride to make the most of the 3D. And to me that was a non-issue
I think it's worst sin was being shit
They can ban hideo Kojima but they can never ban talent 💯
That pyramid head origin story is apparently fake
Its not even that the banned Hideo Kojima and the word scam, that i can understand from a dublicitous shitty corporate perspective, but the fact that those were the ONLY BANNED WORDS?!?!? How do you eveb get away with doing that in the 21st century?!?!
It would take TWO SECONDS to get a encompassing list of words to ban, just google or GPT and copy paste. But someone up top was like "NO! Don't waste company time on that just ban the word scam and Hideo Kojima. Because we don't want people talking about that in our game!" Well.... more or less
oh god, it's not even "CURRENT YEAR" now you idiots are going "CURRENT CENTURY!"
gee whiz.
"I don't care what they tell you - Harry Mason was always black!"
The funniest part is that Hideo Kojima isn't even related to Silent Hill. They did that out of plain spite.
He is, actually.
He was originally set to direct the new Silent Hill, which P.T. was a teaser for.
Then Konami axed him.
You forgot about PT