Very good video on the Inferno. In Italy we study this in high school, as this is considered the first work written in vulgaris, which later on will become Italian, so it's a fundamental part of our culture and history and Dante is considered the father of the Italian language. Because of this, when we graduate from university we wear the laurel's wreath he's depicted with, even though he never wore one himself. The Divine Comedy is so prominent that many of these characters and their characteristics are still used to define people in everyday language. For example, two of my cousins from two of my mother's sisters that were born one year apart from each other are called Francesca and Paolo. I noticed you tend to use Italy referring to the influence of the Guelphs and Ghibellines wars, especially at the beginning of the video, but that can be confusing to modern listeners, as Italy as it is now didn't exist yet and the influence of these groups was mostly in the city states, specifically Florence. Well done on pronouncing most of these names, I noticed just a couple of errors (the word marchese, the "ch" sound in Italian is a hard sound, so is pronounced markese, for example) but overall you really did a great job with it and I was really impressed with how well you pronounced the word podestà. I studied Latin and Greek in school and I know how hard it is to get those nightmare of accents right! Well done, looking forward to Purgatorio and Paradiso and if you need help with the pronunciation don't hesitate to reach out! :)
Thank you for your feedback and I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the video! I appreciate the pronunciation tip for marchese. I have picked up on a lot of Italian pronunciation over the years from studying it briefly and having been to Italy and become friends with several Italians, but some sounds still elude me.
This is a very useful, very important, and fascinating video. Bet it'll get a lot of people to finally appreciate - and properly read - the Comedy. Well done!!
This was both interesting and fun. I had read The Divine Comedy many years ago but was considering reading it again, so this will be very helpful. Thanks!
@@studiumhistoriae One consistent error I've noticed is pronouncing "ch" with the English sound, whereas in Italian it would be /k/. Otherwise very immersive.
I may have to read this again now that Im older and know who at least some of these people are! I read it decades ago in school for an assignment and got nothing from it because I had zero clue who he was talking about. Thanks for posting!
The surname Moffatt was first found in Dumfriesshire (Gaelic: Siorrachd Dhùn Phris), a Southern area, bordering on England that today forms part of the Dumfries and Galloway Council Area, at Annandale
This is the first time I've ever seen a close up of the painting used to describe hell. I thought it was an upside down cake or something. I love those old paintings of the strange beasts it's really funny what Europeans envisioned foreign people and animals to look like.
👍 His "Old-fashioned Italian" pronunciation is about 85% good, as far as i can tell... He's better than I am; I tend to read all the old stuff with modern pronunciation, which is like reading Shakespeare with an American accent (not good)... Reading Dante aloud, correctly (for Italian people) is like reading Chaucer correctly (for English people)... It's very old and it's almost a different language... The average Italian person today would have major problems understanding it in its original spoken form. (The dialect and grammar of Dante is not only old, it's extinct)... They say he's the "father of Italian language", but honestly, it's almost incomprehensible to modern ears.
Certainly a special kind of fame to be known about hundreds of years after your death but only because one of your political rivals wrote about meeting you in Hell. I'm revealing my age a bit, but I first heard about the O.J. Simpson trial because elder Cunningham meets Jonny Cochran in Hell in the Book of Mormon musical. Maybe in the future, that'll be the only reference to him in culture. 🤔 On that subject, did the two sinners who were still alive have anything to say about the poem, that we know of? I'm sure many of the families of his characters weren't happy about Dante's writing, although I suppose that was part of the point. Dante must've really had it out for those two to make up a whole theological doctrine just so he could drool over them getting tortured forever.
No responses as far as I'm aware, though one of them was already dead by the time the inferno was actually published. And seeing as he was there because he killed several members of his family, I don't think many of them would have been all too outraged about it.
I speak a great deal of French, and I'm going to France for two months in the spring. Over the summer, I took a trip to Italy, which I greatly enjoyed. While there, I went to an exhibition on Paradise, with was underwhelming, even accepting that I could only understand about 1/4 of what was said. But it advertises these amazing illustrated copies, with a full commentary, in three volumes. I've read Clive James' translation of the Comedy, and I'm currently reading Orlando Furioso with my dad, although I'm not very satisfied with the translation. I've gotten really interested in learning Italian, but I should focus on my French for now. I was taught some Spanish, as all Americans, in lower and middleschool.
Its hard to understand from a secular persepective because back then, the concept of secularizm in government did not exist.....gov. and religion were inseperable....
@@locorum9103Aristotle was not an emperor. He was a philosopher. And he was Greek. Stagira was not Macedonian when was born there. It was settled by Ionian Greeks but was conquered by Philip of Macedonia much later.
Interesting. Btw: just so you know, the terms "BCE/CE" are highly offensive to Christians, and especially so in the context of discussion of Dante, the most Christian of poets.
What if I told you I usually use it to mean before the Christian era / Christian era. I don't usually use Before Christ and Anno Domini because those are statements of faith which are incompatible for certain groups (especially Jews, who came up with BCE in the 1800s). I do believe that it makes little sense to say "common era," since it is a means of dividing time which is inherently tied to Christianity, but I prefer to frame it in such a way that those who do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah can still participate in. If we are going to use this method of calculating years as a universal chronology, it ought to be as inclusive as possible. I take no issue with others using BC/AD, and in fact I use it colloquially all the time, but in my videos, because I am making them for everyone, I have consciously chosen the more inclusive notation.
Thanks for making this. I'll be honest, I fucking hate the premise of the divine comedy. The idea of someone presuming to have knowledge of the afterlife and allotting to themselves the authority to meet out divine justice is as sacrilegious as it is nauseatingly self-righteous. Dante just comes off as the biggest piece of shit, coping with his own failures by creating a fantasy where he gets to pass judgement on everyone and their grandmother. Even so, learning about the historical context of it all is a lot of fun. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Dante, or at least his selfinsert, is more nuanced than many summaries of the Divine Comedy would have you believe, especially since it is often tongue in cheekly described as revenge porn. Dante does sometimes salavate over the torments of the Blaze, such as when Filipe Argenti accosts Dante on his boatride. But Dante, or, again, at least his selfinstert, is often horrified or moved by the suffering he witnesses, most notably when he faints hearing the story of Paolo and Francesca. Dante frequently comes across people he respects. There are of course all the heathens in Limbo, who're mostly little more than unlucky, plus all the unbaptized babies who're there for the crime of dying. But even people like Brunetto Latini suffer greatly, although Brunetto enjoys a good bit more dignity than many of the other sinners. To spoil the Divine Comedy, because this isn't a story built around plot twists, Dante later puts two pagans in heaven, one because God brought him back to life so the man could be converted, underscoring how the whole afterlife is completely unfair. I do recommend the Divine Comedy if you're interested in the medieval world. Summaries don't do it justice, since they have to leave out so much. There's a battle of wits between Dante and one of the guys in the flaming coffins. There's a fart joke. The scene where the angel rescues Dante gave me chills. If you're interested, there's a rapping translation of the first 10 cantos of Inferno on RUclips.
As much as you hate something, anyone with the intelligence of Dante doesn't presume to know absolute truth. It's about expressing your Self, from your perspective.. or in other words, art. You can't hate someone's art though. It's their perspective, and who's to say their perspective is any more 'wrong' than yours?
At the first 1:13 seconds i got the feeling ”im angry at God cause im a loser with no girlfriend” xdd and cleary you dont mean what the Church teaches and professes about the hell since you said something along the lines of ”this what people in the day belived” like somehow it has been ”debunked” by what believe modern sience to have discovered…? Correct?
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"Interesting argument, but unfortunately for you I wrote myself as the chad and you suffering in Hell."
Love your videos. youtube needs much more concise, informative history videos without the annoying "youtube editing" tropes
Very good video on the Inferno. In Italy we study this in high school, as this is considered the first work written in vulgaris, which later on will become Italian, so it's a fundamental part of our culture and history and Dante is considered the father of the Italian language. Because of this, when we graduate from university we wear the laurel's wreath he's depicted with, even though he never wore one himself. The Divine Comedy is so prominent that many of these characters and their characteristics are still used to define people in everyday language. For example, two of my cousins from two of my mother's sisters that were born one year apart from each other are called Francesca and Paolo.
I noticed you tend to use Italy referring to the influence of the Guelphs and Ghibellines wars, especially at the beginning of the video, but that can be confusing to modern listeners, as Italy as it is now didn't exist yet and the influence of these groups was mostly in the city states, specifically Florence.
Well done on pronouncing most of these names, I noticed just a couple of errors (the word marchese, the "ch" sound in Italian is a hard sound, so is pronounced markese, for example) but overall you really did a great job with it and I was really impressed with how well you pronounced the word podestà. I studied Latin and Greek in school and I know how hard it is to get those nightmare of accents right!
Well done, looking forward to Purgatorio and Paradiso and if you need help with the pronunciation don't hesitate to reach out! :)
Thank you for your feedback and I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the video! I appreciate the pronunciation tip for marchese. I have picked up on a lot of Italian pronunciation over the years from studying it briefly and having been to Italy and become friends with several Italians, but some sounds still elude me.
Thank you for adding an Italian voice and viewpoint, that was very interesting!! (And your kindness is exemplary.)
This is a very useful, very important, and fascinating video. Bet it'll get a lot of people to finally appreciate - and properly read - the Comedy. Well done!!
This was both interesting and fun. I had read The Divine Comedy many years ago but was considering reading it again, so this will be very helpful. Thanks!
This is wonderful! Thank you for making the effort to pronounce the Italian so well; auguri!
And here I was ready to apologize for my pronunciation
@@studiumhistoriae One consistent error I've noticed is pronouncing "ch" with the English sound, whereas in Italian it would be /k/. Otherwise very immersive.
I may have to read this again now that Im older and know who at least some of these people are! I read it decades ago in school for an assignment and got nothing from it because I had zero clue who he was talking about. Thanks for posting!
super informative and detailed, great stuff man 👍
Excellent! The beautiful graphics made it all much easier to follow, and your explanation is very well done. Looking forward to Purgatory.
Very interesting, and detailed. Other then the Dan Brown book,i knew nothing of this. Now I'm intrigued. Need to see more. Thank you
Found this very helpful- thanks for your tenacity!
35:03 I was really expecting an Office reference in here. Fun video though.
I was very close to putting a picture of Steve Carell
Very interesting and informative. Love your videos!
This is really good work thank you
The squad in circle two got me acting unwise.
Well done. Great explanation.
This was nice, dude. Good job.
Your videos are very enjoyable.
Many thanks for your work from Germany
Loved the video! You deserve so many more views.
This is a really well done video.
Why was Aeneas there, he is the son of Prince Anchises and The goddess Aphrodite.
Thank you,wow, fantastic, I really like this video!
This was so interesting! I'll have to check out the Divine Comedy for myself :DD
It's interesting how we only really have interest in Inferno, and relatively little in Paradiso, mainly because it is very dull..
We focus more on bad things than good things
@covenawhite4855 no, we focus on better. Inferno is much better, engaging.
Thank you.. damn that was interesting 👍🏼👍🏼
The surname Moffatt was first found in Dumfriesshire (Gaelic: Siorrachd Dhùn Phris), a Southern area, bordering on England that today forms part of the Dumfries and Galloway Council Area, at Annandale
I love Dante! Thank you.
Please do more!
'Who are whipped by horned demons' - 'I thought hell supposed to be a miserable place.'
This took me out 😂
This is the first time I've ever seen a close up of the painting used to describe hell. I thought it was an upside down cake or something. I love those old paintings of the strange beasts it's really funny what Europeans envisioned foreign people and animals to look like.
👍 His "Old-fashioned Italian" pronunciation is about 85% good, as far as i can tell... He's better than I am; I tend to read all the old stuff with modern pronunciation, which is like reading Shakespeare with an American accent (not good)... Reading Dante aloud, correctly (for Italian people) is like reading Chaucer correctly (for English people)... It's very old and it's almost a different language... The average Italian person today would have major problems understanding it in its original spoken form. (The dialect and grammar of Dante is not only old, it's extinct)... They say he's the "father of Italian language", but honestly, it's almost incomprehensible to modern ears.
Thank you so much
RUclips definitely listens to my conversations, because I just bought The Divine Comedy.
The story of Ugolino of Pisa is retold in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, but Chaucer makes the names more englishy and calls him 'Hugelyn of Pyzee'
Like your stuff! Subbed. Decided today I am boycotting AI narrated videos no batter HOW UNIQUE the info might be!!
You got a good voice
a demon named "Love Notch" lol.
What do you think of the Jacque le Goff claims in The Birth of the Purgatory? I know it's a bit old and annales academia
Marvellous.
Devil may cry was inspired by this especially the main character being named Dante
Certainly a special kind of fame to be known about hundreds of years after your death but only because one of your political rivals wrote about meeting you in Hell. I'm revealing my age a bit, but I first heard about the O.J. Simpson trial because elder Cunningham meets Jonny Cochran in Hell in the Book of Mormon musical. Maybe in the future, that'll be the only reference to him in culture. 🤔
On that subject, did the two sinners who were still alive have anything to say about the poem, that we know of? I'm sure many of the families of his characters weren't happy about Dante's writing, although I suppose that was part of the point.
Dante must've really had it out for those two to make up a whole theological doctrine just so he could drool over them getting tortured forever.
No responses as far as I'm aware, though one of them was already dead by the time the inferno was actually published. And seeing as he was there because he killed several members of his family, I don't think many of them would have been all too outraged about it.
I can't help think what level Trump will end up. Listening to your description he belongs on so many levels. I guess he will just go to the bottom.
Traitor to his country sounds about right
Get a life.
Matthew 7:3-5
U probably won't believe this but I was thinking the same thing but I was gonna shut up n keep it to myself. Thanx😂
God bless
Should I read it in Italian? (I donʼt speak Italian)
You probably wouldn't get a whole lot out of it then. Just my hunch
@@studiumhistoriae yeah appreciate it. I only understand Latin so Italian would be too difficult perhaps..
I speak a great deal of French, and I'm going to France for two months in the spring. Over the summer, I took a trip to Italy, which I greatly enjoyed. While there, I went to an exhibition on Paradise, with was underwhelming, even accepting that I could only understand about 1/4 of what was said. But it advertises these amazing illustrated copies, with a full commentary, in three volumes. I've read Clive James' translation of the Comedy, and I'm currently reading Orlando Furioso with my dad, although I'm not very satisfied with the translation. I've gotten really interested in learning Italian, but I should focus on my French for now. I was taught some Spanish, as all Americans, in lower and middleschool.
The penguin edition of 'Inferno' that I have has it in Italian with the translation next to it. That's probably the best way to read it.
Its hard to understand from a secular persepective because back then, the concept of secularizm in government did not exist.....gov. and religion were inseperable....
Aristotle was actually a Macedonian.
Yes, but a Greek Macedonian that was Emperor of Greece
@@locorum9103Aristotle was not an emperor. He was a philosopher. And he was Greek. Stagira was not Macedonian when was born there. It was settled by Ionian Greeks but was conquered by Philip of Macedonia much later.
@@syourke3 Yes, clearly I was thinking of Alexander haha
Interesting.
Btw: just so you know, the terms "BCE/CE" are highly offensive to Christians, and especially so in the context of discussion of Dante, the most Christian of poets.
What if I told you I usually use it to mean before the Christian era / Christian era. I don't usually use Before Christ and Anno Domini because those are statements of faith which are incompatible for certain groups (especially Jews, who came up with BCE in the 1800s). I do believe that it makes little sense to say "common era," since it is a means of dividing time which is inherently tied to Christianity, but I prefer to frame it in such a way that those who do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah can still participate in.
If we are going to use this method of calculating years as a universal chronology, it ought to be as inclusive as possible. I take no issue with others using BC/AD, and in fact I use it colloquially all the time, but in my videos, because I am making them for everyone, I have consciously chosen the more inclusive notation.
"grafters"? I think he meant "grifters", but ok.
Hmmm..
Seems like ole Dante was a little on the petty side?
Nice work though
Very concise 😊
Thanks for making this. I'll be honest, I fucking hate the premise of the divine comedy. The idea of someone presuming to have knowledge of the afterlife and allotting to themselves the authority to meet out divine justice is as sacrilegious as it is nauseatingly self-righteous. Dante just comes off as the biggest piece of shit, coping with his own failures by creating a fantasy where he gets to pass judgement on everyone and their grandmother. Even so, learning about the historical context of it all is a lot of fun. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Dante, or at least his selfinsert, is more nuanced than many summaries of the Divine Comedy would have you believe, especially since it is often tongue in cheekly described as revenge porn. Dante does sometimes salavate over the torments of the Blaze, such as when Filipe Argenti accosts Dante on his boatride. But Dante, or, again, at least his selfinstert, is often horrified or moved by the suffering he witnesses, most notably when he faints hearing the story of Paolo and Francesca. Dante frequently comes across people he respects. There are of course all the heathens in Limbo, who're mostly little more than unlucky, plus all the unbaptized babies who're there for the crime of dying. But even people like Brunetto Latini suffer greatly, although Brunetto enjoys a good bit more dignity than many of the other sinners. To spoil the Divine Comedy, because this isn't a story built around plot twists, Dante later puts two pagans in heaven, one because God brought him back to life so the man could be converted, underscoring how the whole afterlife is completely unfair.
I do recommend the Divine Comedy if you're interested in the medieval world. Summaries don't do it justice, since they have to leave out so much. There's a battle of wits between Dante and one of the guys in the flaming coffins. There's a fart joke. The scene where the angel rescues Dante gave me chills. If you're interested, there's a rapping translation of the first 10 cantos of Inferno on RUclips.
As much as you hate something, anyone with the intelligence of Dante doesn't presume to know absolute truth. It's about expressing your Self, from your perspective.. or in other words, art. You can't hate someone's art though. It's their perspective, and who's to say their perspective is any more 'wrong' than yours?
You do realize it's a work of fiction?
@@charlesfisher83I’m sure when he says dante seems like a piece of shit he’s inferring to the actual author who self inserted and not the character
What about the Purgatorio and Paradisio
Tbh Inferno was a jerk.
Micheal Scott is in hell ?
One too many "that's what she said"s
@@studiumhistoriaeVerily I say unto thee, it shall be as the lady hath stated unto the masses.
At the first 1:13 seconds i got the feeling ”im angry at God cause im a loser with no girlfriend” xdd and cleary you dont mean what the Church teaches and professes about the hell since you said something along the lines of ”this what people in the day belived” like somehow it has been ”debunked” by what believe modern sience to have discovered…? Correct?
Shh the adults are talking
My favorite self insert fan fiction. He basically makes everyone he loves Chad's and everyone he hates soyjacks