Do you really want to cut out the lows on BASS??? Review of the sine effect H24.
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
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One pedal to rule them all. If you're not convinced, watch this video. I will tell you 4 reasons why High Pass Filter pedals are great for BASS.
Enjoy it!
LINK to the SINE EFFECT web page:
sineeffect.com...
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Signal chain:
. van Loo bass prototype 34" scale 5 string bass
. Peterson Tuner
. Mozztronics Compressor
. Palmer Wipper DI Box
. UAD Apollo Twin audio interface
. Palmer Daccapo Reamp Box
. SINE EFFECT H24
. Stopko ROD500 head and ROD112 cab
. Lewitt pure 440 microphone
. UAD Apollo Twin audio interface
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Insightful review! I also use to cut the lows at +/-40 since a couple of years, using the Broughton Resonant Filter Equalizer which, as the name suggest, includes Mids and Highs controls. Broughton also makes a simple Filter like the H24.
Your presentation and demonstration skills are excellent. Thank you for making this video. I learned a ton from it. 😊
Awesome!!! ☺️
Nice demo man. So very few options for dedicated pedalboard HP and LP filters. Prior to learning of these Sine Effects units I had owned the Genzler ReQ (it's big and I didn't like the EQ points or the slope of the cut off frequencies) and the Broughton units. I think I like the idea of the H24 a little better as the slope is steeper.
I find your pedal demos very informative.
Yep, the slope is steep. I am waiting for an audient id24 audio interface and insert permanently in one of the channels the H24 to clean up the low end.
This is a great demo. I have a SFX Micro Thumpinator last on my board at all times - that's a fixed frequency HPF at 25hz with a slope of 36db per octave and it's great, but sometimes I would like a higher crossover point as I do like my Synth and Octave pedals. This might be a great option.
25Hz is a bit too low with octavers… I have great results with the meatball+H24 at around 40-50Hz!
@@thewetterbass 25hz is about B flat. Only half a tone lower than the B on a 5 string. For an always on Octave that works very well. Who am I to argue with Dusty Hill!? He did that with his live rig for years. It just stopped it getting muddy when playing below a regular B on a 4 string.
Thanks for that! I did not know. 😊
@@thewetterbass If you look for the ZZ Top Rig Rundown from when Dusty was still with us and Elwood was still the tech, there's an explanation of the signal path at the beginning of the video. I'll try to link it for you.
@@thewetterbass ruclips.net/video/1x_kg6pOvGU/видео.html&ab_channel=PremierGuitar
Awesome video! I use a hpf on my pedalboard to cut around 35 and below, to make my sound tighter.
I think it’s a good cutoff frequency. Anything below is kind of useless🤘🏻.
Mozztronics also has High & Low Pass filter pedals.
Yep, should receive one soon… 😉
This was super helpful and educational!! Thank you!!
looove the high quality demos!! i think an effect like this is most greatly noticed when used in a live setting. all pros use some kind of carefully tuned equaliser pedal live, albeit graphic or a simple highpass like this one
that said
highpass filters do NOT doom 😋🤦♂️
😂 with a little bit of “doomy” dust it might…
A high pass filter is a VERY wise thing to have. It just does SO much for your tone! You are not (booming) anymore on the notes on your E string, your power amp does not have to work as hard to achieve a decent volume and it saves your speakers. Did I miss anything?
Right! Yes, less muddy.
E, B string or any string for that matter. It’s a question of tone, some basses sound deeper, some have active bass eq at 40Hz…
The power amp needs less power but a bit more pre-gain the more you filter out the lows on the H24.
Definitely good for speaker health too.
I agree with you that an hpf is the best choice. A graphic EQ is definitely inferior. First, youd need to make sure the lowest fader is a shelving filter and not a bandwidth filter. Even if it is a shelf, graphic eq is parallel, not serial like a parametric eq, so the audio quality will be lower, and you may create some phase issues. hpf/lpf and parametric EQ is preferable on musical instruments because it will preserve your tone
One word - phase
Check out the EHX Knockout. It's the ultimate solution for clean lows, because it has a 7 pole LPF at 85Hz (or something like that). You can cut the lows out of an effects loop, and run the Knockout in another loop.
Just checked it out. Cool, thanks!
Another great video. So great that i just ordered the h24 😅❤
Congrats🤘🏻🤘🏻! Let us know how you will use it!!!
Very insightful!
Unknowingly, I've been trying to use graphic eq pedals as HPFs. I say "Unknowingly" because, until recently, I didn't know what a HPF was. When using graphic eqs, I thought I was cutting frequencies below, for example, 50hz. In reality, I'm just cutting a slice/band of frequencies centered at 50hz. Doing this does help the midrange standout, but the low end doesn't tighten up. The result is more midrange, but a less musical (natural?) Sound. Your video demonstrates this difference.
I'm thinking of running a parametric mid range eq pedal after a HPF. My goal is to attenuated frequencies below 50ish hz while being able to boost the midrange as needed. Any experience with this?
Yes! Check out the mozztronics video I just published. The FP-1 does exactly that.
ruclips.net/video/nu0ISllNnK0/видео.htmlsi=0Lmk-yzVU4h2EsRs
I love me a good high-pass filter. Personally I like to cut below 30/35hz unless I’m using it on guitar or on the treble frequencies of my pedal board (where the lows are represented elsewhere). Tell me we’re getting a low pass filter vid too?
Lately I have been mixing the audio for the reviews with a high pass filter set to around 30 to 40 Hz, sometimes even higher, except in this video! A practical device for sure this H24.
L24? Who knows! 😉
@@thewetterbass although probably not your style, I’ve got my Marshall Origin 50 head that I like to use on bass. Even 50 valve watts isn’t a lot for bass and a HPF has help a bit in the past get the most out of it.
😋 sounds good…
My chain is: bass guitar > compressor > overdrive > oc5 > amp
Where do I put the hpf?
In general it’s better to put the h24 at the end.
Try: bass > compressor > OC5 > overdrive > h24 > amp.
You can obviously move things around. For example, I mostly play with at least one overdrive on that already compressed slightly the signal, so on a small board I have the compressor at the end of my signal chain (just to tame dynamics before hitting the amp). In this case I would put the h24 just before it.
"Recent H24 pedals have a fixed +3dB recovery gain, to make up for the perceived volume drop when cutting low fundamental frequencies on bass or guitar. In most cases, this is preferred."
Not sure if your version has that, but that would kind of explain your second point.
Yes, if that is correct, then mine is a previous version of the H24. Hopefully my comments might have had something to do with the mods in the V2? It really is an excellent quality effect anyhow that will play an important part on my next pedalboard. Thanks for your comment!
@@thewetterbass I'm debating on getting that one or the Broughton HPF which has a proven track record (but a more gradual slope with -12 dB per octave VS H24's steeper cut with -24 dB per octave). Also not sure if either of them have a high enough headroom (at 18V) to be at the end of a medium sized pedalboard without clipping, getting noisy or messing with the character of my tone.
@mouthmw first: had the Broughton always on HPF and it was… how should I put it… less obvious and sweeter but not as effective. Ended up selling it. Second: my h24 is @18V and at the end of the signal chain with some (very) loud pedals in it. Works wonders.
@@thewetterbass I ordered the Broughton always on HPF. I think -12 dB sounds more musical and I can set it a higher frequency and have a smooth slope from there. It'll still pretty much kill all the unwanted subs once the dB per octave reaches those subs, but I feel -24 is a bit too steep and requires a more precise setting on the pedal. Of course, it's all YMMV and all that.
Update for anyone who cares. I'm using a combination of Broughton BBA at the beginning of my chain and Broughton Always On HPF at the very end of my chain, both at 18V. BBA kills sub and ultrasonic frequencies (around 20kHz), I boost my signal with it slightly and then I fine tune the end result with the HPF for a nice, tight low end. I have it set at around 60 Hz but that might change depending on the room acoustics when performing live. For recording, 60 Hz is my sweet spot. Live, tonally, it turns my ported cab into a tight, sealed cab and gets rid of any rumble and sub mud. I absolutely love the BBA + HPF combo.
Thank you
Hi pass is for low,lo pass is for highs? I'm so confused in my old age.
High Pass Filters let only the highs pass. So anything above a selected low frequency (from 30 to 400Hz in the case of the H24) will be heard and any thing below that frequency will be attenuated by -24 decibels (which is like turning their volume down by a lot).
NO. Someone is being paid to do this at front of house. Let the mixer control the low end extension - the house PA probably has way more bass than your amp. If your amp cant handle the lows I feel for you son, I got 99 problems but too much 20hz ain't one
IR cabs have a hpf because cabinets are by definition, band pass filters.
No worries: you can always to turn off the pedal.
@@thewetterbass much love to you my man. Really enhoy the channel. I am old and remember when DC coupled amps were the thing for low end. My SWR is a dc amp!
SWR, nice! Precisely my point: today’s class D amps tend to sound much louder when dealing with less low end. Not as obvious with older tube or transistor amps.
I use HPF because my rig can produce a serious amount of low end, and HPF basically turns my ported cab into a sealed cab. It's super useful for getting a vintage sound when using P with flats. Another proof why I love HPF is how godly my Stingray sounds with my rig - my Stingray already has a built in HPF and it's part of the reason why it sounds so tight and controlled. So HPFs are not just for the front of the house, they can absolutely be utilized if you have need/want for them. BTW old Motown Jamerson basslines were high passed at around 70 Hz and sounded fantastic. I personally don't care for subby lows, so I'm more than happy to clean that up, and that's exactly what I get with an HPF. And no, turning down bass on the amp is not the same thing, not even close.
@@mouthmw an HPF does not turn your ported cab into a sealed cab lol. Motown didn't have an HPF anywhere in the chain. They just had tape bandwidth limits.
Feel free to remove sub from your chain - just remember the actual person paid to mix the show is probably better at that