And even the "curviest" woman is significantly leaner than the majority of women. So as long as you are in the fitness model cateogory it does not matter.
@@Shawn-zt3gv A healthy man should have 10-20% bodyfat anything below is unnecessary unless you like the look and above is starting to get beyond what's healthy. A healthy women should be somewhere between 20-30% bodyfat. The "curvy" woman is probably approaching 30% bodyfat somewhere between 26-30% just giving it the eye test. So the upper end of healthy. Hope that was a little more enlightening to what I meant.
Like most surveys, this one is deeply flawed. As others have pointed out, there's not a very big range of body types in his survey, but you also want to eliminate as many variables as possible. First, cut off their heads (in the photo, not their actual heads). Many voters will be swayed by facial appearance, but it's supposed to be survey on body types. Next, each model should be in the same pose, and ideally the same outfit.
@@deltalima6703 Not the exact same clothes, obviously. Just the same outfit (i.e. don't have 1 in a tight, colorful bikini and another in 1950s swimwear)
I do agree this shouldn't be taken as gospel but overall as just a general look at the subject I think it served the purpose of showing that what women think men want is different than what they actually want
I feel like deep down, we all know what's attractive and what's not. It's built into us, literally. There's no way the rating that women give to their least favorite type is real; it has to be a coping mechanism.
it’s better than the bodybuilders but i wouldn’t wanna look like any of those 4. women know a chest that big will be an inconvenience in daily life. also they look fake.
Bullshit, beauty patterns are heavily dependent on society, for decades in the western word fat people were considered heavily attractive because it was a sign of wealth and now days aren't because the majority of fat people are poor. If wanna discuss the idea that a "Beauty pattern" is intrinsic to humans that is fine, but don't pretend that is an universal truth cause it clearly ain't.
@@jimwing.2178 Basically borderline obese and definitely fat, although that's the average across all women. If you take the under 30 year old I think you'll get slightly better results.
I've been saying this for years. Fashion magazines are (typically) for women and they have the skinniest models. Magazines that show women that men consider attractive have more varied body types but are consistently more 'curvy' than fashion models.
a century later and people STILL haven't realized that the fashion industry is run by a certain type of men, projecting THEIR ideal body, onto women. These men are not actually attracted to women so, of course their ideal is going to be 'wrong'. Imagine what these magazines would look like if Average Joe got to design the clothes, just for a day.
These two comments are truths I've been saying for years. Always the heterosexual men and the elusive patriarchy were blamed for the fashion representation excess and their disastrous results. Like the period of the "porno chic" pictured with underage girls. But strangely the women in the men's magazine didn't look at all like in the fashion world. Shocker all this is concocted by gay men and women leaning heavily on the feminist side. And yet heterosexual men are the one who are toxic, weird.
Actually, male "curvy" is basically a skinny model type, just with large breasts and a nice waist/hips. There's really not much of a difference actually, is just that women prefer face and style over tits.
@@daveymccrazy2977 There isn't much in terms of body fat and I explained why. Hot women are basically 1990s model body, the difference is just the big tits and hips. People are delusional in thinking normal, average, or "curvy" women are really similar to the epitome of male preference.
Ye, absolutely no way are there almost double preferring the 24% over 13%. Take off the boobs of 24% and look at the torso, that could easily be a lean male (wide shoulders, minimal difference between hips/waist).
The question was whats the best for you. That means, there are men who prefer 13% over 24% but would decided that 29% or 25% is better than either of them. There's 4 women in the options who look like they are into fitness. And 4 women who are just about looking pretty in bikini without fitness part. You could think it closer to like 26% of men have preference for some of the fitness women and 74% of men prefer one of the other women. And if you look for fitness women it's clear which one is the best.
My guess is because Menno's target audience is people who are deep into the fitness space and so he chose options varying from fit to ultra-fit/jacked (or w/e you wanna call olympia competitors), rather than a normal range of physiques.
@@geneticsFPSpretty sure it wasn't menno that choose them, it was part of a study he was talking about in the video. So the choice of pictures would be part of the study, and I think I'd agree that it's also a flaw in this study to not have higher bf% women.
he says "women on my page" so it makes sense that most will be leaner than average; and also since it's directed at a "fitness population" it seems to somewhat make sense that we'd be judging leaner than average-body types; but I agree that it's flawed to say the least because my usually preferred types do not appear in these pics
I like the “attractive enough” standard (for long term relationships). If they’re attractive enough that you would enjoy sleeping with them, kissing them, etc. then that’s all that matters. I think my girlfriend is attractive enough, cute but not hot. But she’s kind, warm, loyal, mature, funny, and smart, and I swear I look at her and think she’s a 10.
Cute and hot women change their looks. What about pleasure from sex after pregnancy, after 40, 50, 60 etc.? Or after the period of binge? Body changes all the time
@@departamentedc564 Definitely true. People's bone structure doesn't change though, so the shape of their face and body wont change drastically unless there's huge weight gain/loss. I agree with you overall though!
The thing is, all the women in those pictures have great genetics. They store most of their fat in their hips and chest, which makes them look curvy. But sadly, some women store more fat in their belly, so staying lean tends to work better for everyone.
No, this genetic thing is a lie. I go to the gym center 5 times per week and eat healthy. During my depression, i gaines 5 KGS, most in the belly. When the weight dropped off, my body came back. So you know what to do...
@@MlleSha-p7vit’s not a lie. everyone stores fat in different places while being the same % body fat. some people look good at 20% bf if most of the fat is stored in the hips and bum, but some people store more fat in their stomach at that same body fat percentage.
As a woman, she just kinda looks fake and like she'd be overly objectified I guess. It just makes me a bit uncomfortable. Maybe it's also the type of bikini, but idk she just seems like the type of woman men feel most entitled to make lewd comments about. No hate against her; it's about how men might see her, not about her directly. But that's just my opinion. Maybe other women had different reasons.
I totally agree :) all of these are far away of average womens' bodies I can normally see outside. All of them are very fit sporty bodies. Half of them are most probably somehow improved by surgery. So if this video was to calm women down, then it did not do the job :D most of them can only dream of being even close to these.
I was just about to write this. You often see women pop their hips out sideways to accentuate the curve. Even Asian girls can look passable doing that, lol.
@@BWater-yq3jx depends on what asian you're referring to. I'm from central asia and I naturally look like the 13% girl or the least voted by women, without any posing
Because to our eyes we see that It’s not a woman. It’s a woman plus implants, bbl, lipo, & body tune app to hype waist to hip ratio. That’s what my eyes saw. Men are less aware of what most of those ladies w such proportions did to fake that instagramworthy body. So of course they’ll fall for it to vote on.
I am very very confused why the blonde in white bikini got 1% of female votes. Almost as if it was out of spite for being such a specimen lmao. I agree with the male top 8 though I wonder how much goes into evaluating the body type alone vs thinking how it would be to date that woman. I could see the blonde in white bikini perceived as high maintanence which isn't what people want.
Exactly, there are people who take surveys and purposely give spiteful results, rather than being objective. This was also the case last video when 5% of men claimed that Leo's dad bod was the ideal male physique.
How is it spiteful when most of the people are into fitness and the woman they picked is a lot more athletic looking while still not looking crazy shredded? Similarly how dudes prefer a lean physique over 4% shredded.
The thing is that pretty much the only way to manipulate waist/hip ratio is getting leaner, unless you happen to be someone who stores fat in the hips and not ao much in the waistline.
@@supercal333 Well, for example the presentation could be disrespectful, or the approach to the topic. I doubt @heididixon165 was trying to make anyone feel guilty - rather, the internet absolutely ABOUNDS in material where the topic of "women's ideal body" is treated with weird, lecherous, obsessive, possessive, sexist or otherwise creepy manner, and she might've just been glad that wasn't the case here.
Are women due respect from men? On a different note, i find it funny he showed 8 lean women instead of showing 5 fat asses, a chick with slight love handles, and 2 normal-weight chicks with tattoos, which is far more representative of American “women”
The "curvy" one is perfectly healthy and quite lean, probably heathier and leaner than average in the USA and some other western countries. Unless blessed with very good genetics, attaining such a physique would still require quite a while of effective body composition improvement via strength training and diet optimization.
You don't really have to be as lean as any of those ladies. The only two I don't consider attractive are the stage-ready body builders. Off season they are probably more attractive. I also agree with several that the one the women didn't think was attractive was the most. Don't understand why she was only number 4 amongst men. I mean I have a brunette bias and she's still number one to me.
Very obvious that white bikini girl was male first. I think some strong bias or virue signalation happened here to take votes from her and give to more atletic women. Also, white bikini hottie is actually very lean: she just has large, ideal hip bones and breast volume. All these women are very Lean, their difference is only breast size and bone structure. Very misleading to make the discussion about bf%,they are all in the low range.
I see a lot of women being insecure about being thin and their breast size. I have yet to hear a male friend say that either of those are a problem. Assuming its not anorexia. Funny how the we get these ideas about the opposite sex wrong.
@@senzatieee fat people get maligned and bullied everywhere, you're hyper focusing and getting mad at the smallest fringe of people. consider not falling for rage bait.
The issue is that beauty isn't rated in isolation. It's highly relevant to the attractiveness of the people someone is being compared to. In general, men will find more body types attractive, however they will become more selective if there are other attractive women being compared. That's why the standards are so high for celebrities and models. They are literally being compared to the most attractive women on the planet. However even celebrities whose looks have faded could be the hottest girl in the room if they walking into a regular club. It's like how guys will judge the athleticism of professional athletes to an extremely high standard. A running back for your favorite football team might be catching criticism for having lost a step on the field, but would still be the most fit person, by far, if they showed up at a random party. There are simply different scales being used. If you are not trying to be a professional based on your looks or fitness, then comparing yourself to those standards is mostly meaningless.
And they should be. We all learn in a very young age that women needs both this atributes to look beautiful. There's no point in discussing that, all these "we don't care about it" is just virtue signalation because when real human preferences are involved (propaganda, marketing strategies, adult content etc) these things are extremely sought after.
My take as a woman on the vote discrepancy of the white bikini body type because I'm puzzled so many think the reason is jealousy: The survey was "what is your preferred body type", not "which do you think is most attractive to men". Women and men like different things. Women's ideal is for their own body, i.e. "this is me but hotter". So it depends who you ask. There are a lot of women who share the ideal with men and want that Kardashian shape which is popular in Miami. I've seen overweight women say that's their ideal body too because they want to keep the big boobs and hips but look more snatched around the waist. On a forum where the women are all into fitness, you're going to see them choose the fit/skinny woman because the ideal is "me but more lean" not "me if I had $50,000 worth of surgery". Hope this helps.
I'm extremely curvy. My measurements at age 38 are 35-24-35, WHR: .69. I wiegh 109 at 5'5. I'm genetically blessed. I'm totally natural, despite people my whole life questioning if I had plastic surgery and eating disorders. My parents had body measurements that were extraordinary, too. They instilled a healthy lifestyle value into my life since i was born. My dad used to train with the seals and was in the top 1 percent in fit standards. My mom had model proportions and millionaire men stalkers. Even in thier 60s my mom only wieghs 115 lbs, and my dad can still squat 300 lbs.
The question wasn't "which woman is the most probable", it was "which woman is hottest". Most women are ugly, too, so should we remove all the best faces from the poll?
Cus men who see women in real life know that shit is likely the result of plastic surgery. Her face isn't that great either, while the top 3 ones are pretty damn good looking
Like I said for the men, I think there is a different preferred body type based on the amount of clothes being worn. Speaking for myself, I tend to prefer thinner body types for more clothed women, but curvier types for women in bikinis or less. Thinness can serve as a proxy for youth with more clothes being worn, but can signal unhealthiness when more of the body can be seen.
Man here. The men's top 8 with 29%, 25% and 8% are basically the same (or I am blind). And also the 1% and 0% are the same type to me. So effectively those 8 options condense down to 4 in my eyes. And I would rank them in this order: very muscular < slightly muscular < slim < curvy. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
It's all subjective but the one thing that is atractive to everyone in general is health. If you get clear skin, nice hair and a healthy sexy body from exersicing you are gonna go up a lot of point in peoples eyes when it comes to attractiveness cause you are just healthy.
Men don't try to optimize, they have a 'good enough' point which isn't a high threshold. We're not hypergamous and go after the top of the top. I think as long as minimum thresholds are passed, that's fine. In fact, being too optimized may signal high maintenance and could be a deterrent. For marriage and commitment, body doesn't matter as much as personality / attitude. Eventually all beauty and attractiveness are lost through age.
I'll say the exact same thing about the "high maintenance" problem as I did for the male physique video. It's a non-issue. If you aren't high maintenance, that's going to be quickly evident to anyone talking to you. Meanwhile, the better you look, the more likely you'd be able to get that conversation in the first place. It's a net plus. Guys dream about the hot girl who doesn't think she's that hot.
True, but if these girls all had the exact same personality and interests, and the only difference was the body type (and you got to choose), then I think we'd all go for our hottest one.
@@svendragon8139 Yep, BUT we will be happy with 'good enough', it's not the same the other way around lol (though it may happen, practically speaking, with much dissatisfaction/resentment)
Having the stereotypical bombshell physique (a lean, but voluptuous, hourglass shape) is the ideal. Yes, measurements count. Even some of the professional models have admitted this. And adding a certain amount of powerful, sculpted and well-defined muscularity to a stereotypical bombshell physique is truly SPECIAL!!! Especially if a female can maintain it for years... !! Extremely empowering if used for GOOD intentions!! :)
Very obvious that white bikini girl was male first. I think some strong bias or virue signalation happened here to take votes from her and give to more atletic women. Also, white bikini hottie is actually very lean: she just has large, ideal hip bones and breast volume. All these women are very Lean, their difference is only breast size and bone structure. Very misleading to make the discussion about bf%,they are all in the low range.
A massive confounding factor here is that the life most people are able to live these days has reduced evolutionary pressure for mating etc and obviously we we end up with skewed visions of what we want from ourselves and others. Narcissism has become overwhelming.
Studied I've read about show some variability on the waist to hip ratio, which suggests there are both social and biological factors in play. Japanese men preferred the greatest difference with 0.6, and Pacific Islander men had the lowest ratio at around 0.9.
Maybe cos Asian girls have such skinny azzes the only way that's attractive is with an even skinnier waist. As for Islanders, well if they only liked 0.7 ... that population would be extinct by now. 🤣
Would be far more interested to see this if it included examples of women with higher body fat % in conjunction with varying waist-hip ratios. Highly skeptical any of these women are in the “healthy” 20-30% bf range, regardless of waist-hip ratio.
The ones that I see as best build, are these two just below halfway the line, for both the men and women opinion. More than 50% of women where I live, are heavier than these though. Being lean is generally an improvement already.
To be completely fair tho you have not included any lets call it curvier bodies in the poll nothing that would even be considered overweight by any standards
@@warrenchu5752 i mean I don't know in what world you live in but as stated in the video a lot of African American men for example prefer women on the thicker side. And judging by what i see on instagram even slightly overweight. On top of that I'm not even the only person who asked that there are some other comments why are you lashing out at me lol
Like fashion, I suspect body composition preference may rely more on the opinions of your own gender than the opposite gender. At least for heterosexuals.
Most men I've talked to (and this includes myself) really have more of a range of what they find attractive. Also, proportions are more important than body fat percentage. A taller woman with wide hips and big breasts will still look very good at a higher body fat percentage / with more muscle mass in the upper body, because she still has a feminine shape. If you're decently fit in regards to legs and ass, you can also carry more fat and still look good. Petite women (short and delicate in build), on the other hand, will quickly lose their shape if they gain a lot of weight (fat or muscle mass in the upper body). Overall, the overwhelming majority of women can look fairly attractive if they're at a reasonable body fat percentage and have a fit lower body.
As a man I am always surprised that women seem so focused on losing weight and being skinny. Yes, being actually fat is not super attractive, but I do like a soft, feminine body with curves, and some extra pounds usually accentuates those feminine curves.
Yes Menno, accounting for different cultures is essential! I mean for getting more inclusive meaning of "men". Even "latino" is a very diverse term in itself, preferences in Argentina and Dominican Republic might be huge.
The two factors that makes a woman's body attractive is bmi and whr. most men prefer is a bmi of 18-19 with it being unattractive below that. A bmi of 18-20 is still pretty thin but girls can still be curvy at that level.
Dissapointed that none of the photos showed an even remotely "thick" girl, while the mens version at least had a "dadbod" option. This wasnt helpful what so ever Menos....
This video is so scuffed. You could only choose between super, super lean body types anyways. This only creates even more pressure on women to want to look like a Barbie, just like all these model and reality tv shows
Preference change overtime. Now its about big butts and curves when even 30 years ago (90s) it was skinny, even though in Black and latino culture they preferred a more "filled out" woman. Love the content
Truth, so much truth. 'Hotness' is something people who are casually dating chase after...it's still a positive when you're looking for a wife, but the personality traits of someone who'll be a caring and supportive wife and a good mother are absolutely #1 by a huge margin. Especially for guys in their 30's and 40's or beyond who've seen enough of the world to have a matured perspective. Even a very homely lady with those personality traits is a great catch to many if not most men looking for a life partner.
Great video, the only thing about the waist to hip ratio study though, is that it likely tests men’s preferences for waist sizes to a significant extent as well, not just hip to waist ratio. I can say myself that I’d choose the 0.7 of the 3D models there as well, but I find women with high waist to hip ratios but narrow hips and narrow waists to be very attractive. There is definitely an obsession with exaggeratedly low ratios amongst women at the moment that’s quite silly. The woman that women rated as most attractive to men also looked way too lean to me. Number 5 in the male preferences list followed by 1, 4 and 2 are the most attractive to me. Love your content.
As a female viewer, just want to share you have used 8 photos of perfect body shape to represent female body 😅 the 8 photos all showed almost perfect body that 95% of female population would dream to have, tiny waist, btc, round glute, slender limbs, perfect skin, your research simply doesn’t represent the ordinary world.
I think Menno's intention was to rate between idealized images of body type, as you're pointing out. The ordinary world is very different, personality and perceived maintenance become primary considerations, which don't translate well to images. I might rate one woman as 'most attractive' based on appearance, but she could also be at the bottom of my list for most desirable as a wife or long-term partner. I think appearance only really matters in terms of drawing people over to initially interact with you...I think my wife is lovely, but I met her when she came over to hit on one of my friends, and her personality just completely captured me. I absolutely would have pursued her even if she had been very homely or physically unattractive at that point. I'm sure I can't be the only guy with this perspective.
Out of the men's top 8, honestly the first five are pretty much interchangeable to me. It's unfortunate that it's often so hard for women to get fit considering the margin of options are so wide.
I'm most interested in being lean because it's more comfortable. At 180lbs at 5'4'' people still think I'm attractive, but all the fat around my thighs and stomach is very uncomfortable and makes me feel self conscious. The lack of mention of all the chafing, pulling, and uncontrolled movement from having extra fat is always weird to me. Even though it looks attractive to be larger, it's not easy to move around.
The least preferred body type for woman is my favorite! She has the best hip to waist ratio and that perfect hour glass figure. I thought she would be a lot higher than 13% for men too
The two in dark bikinis seems to have almost the same body type, same with two of the body builders. The supermuscular not being popular with either women or men is not surprising. But is surprise me that women find supercurvy type not attractive.
As a white North American dude (apparently we like leaner women?), I thought the curviest one was most attractive. Honestly she could have gained 30 pounds (sorry, ~13.5 kilos) and I'd still be fine with it. So who knows.
Disagree - the moment a woman starts to look 'muscular' in my eyes, she's off the radar. Which is to say, I most certainly wouldn't recommend that as a piece of general advice for women, since it will only pertain to a portion (and probably a rather small-ish proportion, though now I'm speculating) of men. Some guys will like it, some won't care, some/many will be put off by it.
@@nietzscheankant6984 Unless they're really trying to go pro or they abuse steroids, they won't get "muscular". The woman in the white bikini looks like she hits the gym multiple times a week, building muscle. The most muscular 4 of those women look like they actually compete in shows and some of them clearly use steroids, they're not just regular girls building muscle in the gym.
@@nietzscheankant6984 Putting on too much muscle isn't going to be a problem for virtually any women working out. Even if a woman did so, it'd be the easiest thing in the world to quickly back it down a bit. The only women getting too much muscle are those specifically trying to do so. It'd be like a guy getting too much muscle. That simply isn't going to unintentionally happen, and would require a massive amount of work.
@@paavoilves5416 Well, you're not really arguing against me then, are you? My specific complaint was about women looking muscular, which doesn't mean they shouldn't work out at all. Idk about women needing to abuse steroids to look muscular though, unless I misunderstood another video by Menno ("Why women can gain as much muscle as men despite having 15x less testosterone") - from what I understood, women can actually gain a lot more muscle than usually assumed, though they still won't end up as muscular as men. Regardless, I wasn't opposing women working out (rather, I'd encourage it), just pointing out that I, like many men, actually do NOT find muscular-looking women attractive, unlike OP.
@@KenMathis1 This may be, but I was simply objecting to OP's comment about how "muscles look great" - of course it somewhat depends what *exactly* he meant by that, but if taken to mean "muscular-looking" then no, I can't agree - the moment a woman starts looking muscular rather than "toned" or "fit", my interest tends to drop off very quickly. Just ain't my thing - I like feminine looking women. (And none of this is in opposition to women working out, of course - exercising is good for all of us.)
Very nice that you did the female physique version as well. But it is a bit unfair to not put any thicker type of woman in there. There was one male model in the previous video, clearly unfit, body fat, slouchy, but there is no female version in this video. Even the 'most curviest' one is far away from being the equivalent of the male version in your previous video.
There is increasingly little benefit and indeed increasing health and attractiveness with most men costs once women go beneath 21% bf. But how many women are below 21%?
40% of American women are obese. They don't need encouragement to feel good about "a little more body fat". None of the women pictured in this survey represent the average woman today. Even the "curvy" one has a flat stomach. Faced with the option of a typical hambeast or the over-the-top body builder in this survey, give me the bodybuilder. I'll just try to convince her to slack off on the Andro a little...
@@SomeKidFromBritain I believe many men prefer different body types for different occasions. Meaning many will have a one night stand with body type AA, but only want to marry a woman with body type CC. The video is short but truly could be a 12 day miniseries jejeje. It is an extremely complex and dynamic subject.
@@Authenticnerd123 some males will prefer a different body shape depending on the situation. Many guys will have a one night stand with someone below their likes / standards for a life long commitment/ wife. Very normal.
I remember when Kate Upton was considered a "plus sized model". I don't recall any men caring. She's still more attractive than the rail thin models and one of two or three most men and people as a whole can name.
The hot blonde has the best hip to waist ratio. Im suspicious that she was not top 3. Seeing her at the bottom of the womens choice made me laugh hysterically
Most were quite similar but the girl in the pink was my favorite. She didn’t have any excessive fat nor is she sporting the anorexic look. She’s in shape and clearly takes care of herself but she is definitely not shredded. As far as physical appearance goes that’s more of what I’m looking for. I used to be 260 lbs and now am 140 and workout hard 7 days a week. I eat right and I don’t I want to date someone who doesn’t care about their health or just gives excuses as to why she can’t be in better shape. She doesn’t have to workout as frequently or as intense as I do but she has to take her health seriously for me to be interested in dating.
I don't think those polls where you have a bunch of different women with different body types really works, because everyone has preferences in terms of look that have nothing to do with body shape or type. For example I prefer an olive complexion and darker hair on a woman, so if she's blonde then it automatically goes down a point or two for me personally. They really all need to be like the drawn images of the women's bodies where they are all the same woman, just with different shapes.
The bikini competitor in the red cold easily look like the 29% with a bit wider shoulders, but there she is stage lean, at 8% bodyfat. In the offseason there is no way that she is not in the top 3 for men
Bottom line is this - for women - just about any body type/parts you got - there is a subgroup of men who desire that type. For men - you better conform to a very lean muscular tall body type ...or be rich to be desired.
Women prefer what super-aggressive marketing has trained them to prefer. Men just draw a fuzzy line at "generally appears fertile", and anything over that is fine, with minor variations based on past girlfriends, favorite movies, and random quirks of brain chemistry.
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Women's least picked body type was my #1!
Same. She's a total bombshell, imho.
That type 100% cap
@@UniversalSoldier3k 100% fake too
yep from bodytype perspective, yes
Jealousy is women's worst disease :D
And even the "curviest" woman is significantly leaner than the majority of women. So as long as you are in the fitness model cateogory it does not matter.
That curvy woman was on the upper end of what would be considered healthy. It's not being a fitness model to be a healthy bodyweight.
@@darkcircle899 lol the upper end. You have no idea what you're talking about
@@Shawn-zt3gv A healthy man should have 10-20% bodyfat anything below is unnecessary unless you like the look and above is starting to get beyond what's healthy. A healthy women should be somewhere between 20-30% bodyfat. The "curvy" woman is probably approaching 30% bodyfat somewhere between 26-30% just giving it the eye test. So the upper end of healthy. Hope that was a little more enlightening to what I meant.
@@darkcircle899 your eye test needs calibrated.
yea cause the average person today is a whale
Like most surveys, this one is deeply flawed. As others have pointed out, there's not a very big range of body types in his survey, but you also want to eliminate as many variables as possible. First, cut off their heads (in the photo, not their actual heads). Many voters will be swayed by facial appearance, but it's supposed to be survey on body types. Next, each model should be in the same pose, and ideally the same outfit.
Fat ones will win because the suit will be tight instead of baggy.
@@deltalima6703 Not the exact same clothes, obviously. Just the same outfit (i.e. don't have 1 in a tight, colorful bikini and another in 1950s swimwear)
Also maybe from the back.
I agree mostly. Obviously, not all body types are represented here. However, the presenter made it clear that these models where ranked in the top 8.
I do agree this shouldn't be taken as gospel but overall as just a general look at the subject I think it served the purpose of showing that what women think men want is different than what they actually want
None of them were "thick". Not even close.
And then he claims that this research shows that leaner is not always considered better according to men. Mate, all of these women are lean.
@@DearMariska That one blonde chick with the white swimsuit is "Los Angeles" thick. But in Texas she is basically just hair and boobs.
@@han3wmanwukong125 She has wide hips and big boobs, but is still very lean altogether. I like her the most.
@@han3wmanwukong125 yes, in the land of disgustingly fat, a woman with like 25% body fat is "lean". How surprising.
@@han3wmanwukong125and given the waist, pretty likely to be bolt ons.
I feel like deep down, we all know what's attractive and what's not. It's built into us, literally. There's no way the rating that women give to their least favorite type is real; it has to be a coping mechanism.
You are correct, sir.
it’s better than the bodybuilders but i wouldn’t wanna look like any of those 4. women know a chest that big will be an inconvenience in daily life. also they look fake.
Bullshit, beauty patterns are heavily dependent on society, for decades in the western word fat people were considered heavily attractive because it was a sign of wealth and now days aren't because the majority of fat people are poor.
If wanna discuss the idea that a "Beauty pattern" is intrinsic to humans that is fine, but don't pretend that is an universal truth cause it clearly ain't.
What do you mean by coping mechanism? I’m sorry I’m stupid.
Or they're just choosing what they would be attracted to, not what men would be.
Do you prefer this model over that one? Honestly they all look pretty damn similar. The average woman is probably bigger than what is described here.
Depending on which country you sample, the average person is obese...
I think the goal was to find out the ideal body, not how people judge average bodies
The average height/weight of American women is 5'3"/171 pounds!
@@jimwing.2178
@@jimwing.2178 Basically borderline obese and definitely fat, although that's the average across all women. If you take the under 30 year old I think you'll get slightly better results.
"I hope women will feel more comfortable having a higher fat percentage" he says, showing a top 8 of 8 types of very lean women. :D
One woman got a 0% and was still in the top 8. Top 8 of 8 is correct.
0:41 I bought a measuring tape and tried to measure it myself. She screamed and slapped me then called the cops.
But it was for science! 😢
Seriously? You got off lucky. Surprised you didn't need an ambulance. :)
Numbers must have low. The thick ones are more violent.
Time to trade that faulty model in for a more submissive one.
Just eyeball it the fuck?
I've been saying this for years. Fashion magazines are (typically) for women and they have the skinniest models. Magazines that show women that men consider attractive have more varied body types but are consistently more 'curvy' than fashion models.
a century later and people STILL haven't realized that the fashion industry is run by a certain type of men, projecting THEIR ideal body, onto women. These men are not actually attracted to women so, of course their ideal is going to be 'wrong'.
Imagine what these magazines would look like if Average Joe got to design the clothes, just for a day.
These two comments are truths I've been saying for years. Always the heterosexual men and the elusive patriarchy were blamed for the fashion representation excess and their disastrous results. Like the period of the "porno chic" pictured with underage girls. But strangely the women in the men's magazine didn't look at all like in the fashion world. Shocker all this is concocted by gay men and women leaning heavily on the feminist side. And yet heterosexual men are the one who are toxic, weird.
Actually, male "curvy" is basically a skinny model type, just with large breasts and a nice waist/hips. There's really not much of a difference actually, is just that women prefer face and style over tits.
@@stefanisilva2493there's a HUGE difference between fashion models and what guys are watching.
@@daveymccrazy2977 There isn't much in terms of body fat and I explained why. Hot women are basically 1990s model body, the difference is just the big tits and hips. People are delusional in thinking normal, average, or "curvy" women are really similar to the epitome of male preference.
no way men in the general population prefer 24% girl over 13% girl
Agreed.
Ye, absolutely no way are there almost double preferring the 24% over 13%. Take off the boobs of 24% and look at the torso, that could easily be a lean male (wide shoulders, minimal difference between hips/waist).
The question was whats the best for you. That means, there are men who prefer 13% over 24% but would decided that 29% or 25% is better than either of them. There's 4 women in the options who look like they are into fitness. And 4 women who are just about looking pretty in bikini without fitness part. You could think it closer to like 26% of men have preference for some of the fitness women and 74% of men prefer one of the other women. And if you look for fitness women it's clear which one is the best.
I think a lot of boomers still like skinny women. My dad always did. But not me. I like big curves, exactly how the video started.
13% grips better. Trust me
Why was there no picture of women with higher bf%? Or did simply no one pick it?
My guess is because Menno's target audience is people who are deep into the fitness space and so he chose options varying from fit to ultra-fit/jacked (or w/e you wanna call olympia competitors), rather than a normal range of physiques.
@@geneticsFPSpretty sure it wasn't menno that choose them, it was part of a study he was talking about in the video. So the choice of pictures would be part of the study, and I think I'd agree that it's also a flaw in this study to not have higher bf% women.
Yeah that was weird. Basically all of those women were significantly more lean than average.
@@Oliver_BN Around 1:45 he mentions this is a poll he conducted in his own facebook page. It was not part of any of the studies mentioned.
he says "women on my page" so it makes sense that most will be leaner than average; and also since it's directed at a "fitness population" it seems to somewhat make sense that we'd be judging leaner than average-body types;
but I agree that it's flawed to say the least because my usually preferred types do not appear in these pics
I like the “attractive enough” standard (for long term relationships). If they’re attractive enough that you would enjoy sleeping with them, kissing them, etc. then that’s all that matters. I think my girlfriend is attractive enough, cute but not hot. But she’s kind, warm, loyal, mature, funny, and smart, and I swear I look at her and think she’s a 10.
Cute and hot women change their looks. What about pleasure from sex after pregnancy, after 40, 50, 60 etc.? Or after the period of binge? Body changes all the time
@@departamentedc564 Definitely true. People's bone structure doesn't change though, so the shape of their face and body wont change drastically unless there's huge weight gain/loss. I agree with you overall though!
@@departamentedc564 Honestly i agree with that statement Ive seen a lot of car crashes on instagram reels
@@mc80466 The science says that deadlifts improve bone structure. Like Mike Israetel I too wonder, how it is tobe intimate with a woman.
And I'm sure she would be really flattered to hear that😅
My preferences: must be a woman
Ineffably based
I rank waist/hip ratio above being a woman.
Must be a whoa-Man! 😂
Must be alive (optional).
My preferences: Is a woman (optional)
Suss survey: No mention of the chick from Total Recall.
Ana de Armas is perfection
😂
Sharon Stone. :)
The one with the three tiddies?
The 3 tits one?😂
The thing is, all the women in those pictures have great genetics.
They store most of their fat in their hips and chest, which makes them look curvy.
But sadly, some women store more fat in their belly, so staying lean tends to work better for everyone.
Like Asian women - may as well stay lean cos the fat ain't going where you want it!
They just end up looking like fridges.
No, this genetic thing is a lie. I go to the gym center 5 times per week and eat healthy. During my depression, i gaines 5 KGS, most in the belly. When the weight dropped off, my body came back. So you know what to do...
@@MlleSha-p7vI am sorry about your depression, and I hope you feel better now, but you just proved my point...
@@MlleSha-p7vit’s not a lie. everyone stores fat in different places while being the same % body fat. some people look good at 20% bf if most of the fat is stored in the hips and bum, but some people store more fat in their stomach at that same body fat percentage.
Hilarious that the one women like the least is the one I like the most.
Women coped hard on this survey.
That is why women rated her last.
As a woman, she just kinda looks fake and like she'd be overly objectified I guess. It just makes me a bit uncomfortable. Maybe it's also the type of bikini, but idk she just seems like the type of woman men feel most entitled to make lewd comments about. No hate against her; it's about how men might see her, not about her directly. But that's just my opinion. Maybe other women had different reasons.
Yes, I think they were trying to put her down because she was too attractive... unreachable without proper genetics, even with diet and training
@@FamilyManMoving That's literally how they work. It's hilariously petty tbh
I personally don’t see that much of a difference in most of these pictures. Most of them look very similar
Really?……
american detected
@@mattzx003 no I’m a Swede!
They literally range from bodybuilder to skinny model. The only ones "excluded" are fatties, and being fat is not a body type.
I totally agree :) all of these are far away of average womens' bodies I can normally see outside. All of them are very fit sporty bodies. Half of them are most probably somehow improved by surgery. So if this video was to calm women down, then it did not do the job :D most of them can only dream of being even close to these.
Also the way the individual models are pictured makes a difference too. Should have all the models in the same position with the same pose.
I was just about to write this.
You often see women pop their hips out sideways to accentuate the curve.
Even Asian girls can look passable doing that, lol.
@@BWater-yq3jx depends on what asian you're referring to. I'm from central asia and I naturally look like the 13% girl or the least voted by women, without any posing
Only 1% of women chose white bikini model...?! I'm genuinely puzzled at that one
Because thats an enhanced bimbo physique it aint something that most women can get unless they get under knife
It's cope
Because to our eyes we see that It’s not a woman. It’s a woman plus implants, bbl, lipo, & body tune app to hype waist to hip ratio. That’s what my eyes saw. Men are less aware of what most of those ladies w such proportions did to fake that instagramworthy body. So of course they’ll fall for it to vote on.
Women arent into other women like that, men choose what they like it has nothing to do with what other women like.
13% is underrated as hell
Yeah ikr, but not as ridiculous as only getting 1% from the women. 🤦♂️
I like skinny girls that are tiny, but even my eye was drawn to that one.
not really
I am very very confused why the blonde in white bikini got 1% of female votes. Almost as if it was out of spite for being such a specimen lmao. I agree with the male top 8 though I wonder how much goes into evaluating the body type alone vs thinking how it would be to date that woman. I could see the blonde in white bikini perceived as high maintanence which isn't what people want.
I'd push the curvy one (men's #4) to the top, but otherwise keep the arrangement/order.
Exactly, there are people who take surveys and purposely give spiteful results, rather than being objective. This was also the case last video when 5% of men claimed that Leo's dad bod was the ideal male physique.
How is it spiteful when most of the people are into fitness and the woman they picked is a lot more athletic looking while still not looking crazy shredded? Similarly how dudes prefer a lean physique over 4% shredded.
She is clearly number 1 by quite some margin.
The only decent sized and real breasts out of the whole group.
Although spite is a possibility, I wonder if they thinking "it was photoshoped", had any influence on the result😮.
The thing is that pretty much the only way to manipulate waist/hip ratio is getting leaner, unless you happen to be someone who stores fat in the hips and not ao much in the waistline.
As one of your female followers I was a little nervous watching this based on the title, but well done. This is actually helpful and respectful.
Knock off the PC bullshit. Facts are facts
Why would this have the potential to be 'disrespectful'? Women have preferences, men have preferences. Men should not have to feel guilty for theirs.
@@dg1431 Redditor
@@supercal333 Well, for example the presentation could be disrespectful, or the approach to the topic.
I doubt @heididixon165 was trying to make anyone feel guilty - rather, the internet absolutely ABOUNDS in material where the topic of "women's ideal body" is treated with weird, lecherous, obsessive, possessive, sexist or otherwise creepy manner, and she might've just been glad that wasn't the case here.
Are women due respect from men?
On a different note, i find it funny he showed 8 lean women instead of showing 5 fat asses, a chick with slight love handles, and 2 normal-weight chicks with tattoos, which is far more representative of American “women”
Ideal: soft but not fat.
I like what Larry on the 3 Stooges said: “She’s just my type, A Woman!”
I tried to measure my GF's waist-to-hip ratio as you instructed and she got mad at me
She ain't the one, then. Next!
there's ideal body types, but usually most lacking aspects can be looked past for a women who's co-operative, supportive, and fit
It’s not about how lean or not you are, it’s about having contrasting busts and hips compared to waist and belly.
The "curvy" one is perfectly healthy and quite lean, probably heathier and leaner than average in the USA and some other western countries.
Unless blessed with very good genetics, attaining such a physique would still require quite a while of effective body composition improvement via strength training and diet optimization.
Looks like she had plastic surgery
She looks fake as hell (implants) and the average woman in the US should definitely not be the reference
You don't really have to be as lean as any of those ladies. The only two I don't consider attractive are the stage-ready body builders. Off season they are probably more attractive. I also agree with several that the one the women didn't think was attractive was the most. Don't understand why she was only number 4 amongst men. I mean I have a brunette bias and she's still number one to me.
Very obvious that white bikini girl was male first. I think some strong bias or virue signalation happened here to take votes from her and give to more atletic women. Also, white bikini hottie is actually very lean: she just has large, ideal hip bones and breast volume.
All these women are very Lean, their difference is only breast size and bone structure. Very misleading to make the discussion about bf%,they are all in the low range.
@@stefanisilva2493 No because the white bikini model has bbl. She looks unnatural
I see a lot of women being insecure about being thin and their breast size. I have yet to hear a male friend say that either of those are a problem. Assuming its not anorexia. Funny how the we get these ideas about the opposite sex wrong.
We get it wrong because there are a lot of loud idiots shouting stupid ideas like "big is beautiful" or "confidence is everything" and so on.
@@senzatieee fat people get maligned and bullied everywhere, you're hyper focusing and getting mad at the smallest fringe of people. consider not falling for rage bait.
The issue is that beauty isn't rated in isolation. It's highly relevant to the attractiveness of the people someone is being compared to. In general, men will find more body types attractive, however they will become more selective if there are other attractive women being compared. That's why the standards are so high for celebrities and models. They are literally being compared to the most attractive women on the planet. However even celebrities whose looks have faded could be the hottest girl in the room if they walking into a regular club.
It's like how guys will judge the athleticism of professional athletes to an extremely high standard. A running back for your favorite football team might be catching criticism for having lost a step on the field, but would still be the most fit person, by far, if they showed up at a random party.
There are simply different scales being used. If you are not trying to be a professional based on your looks or fitness, then comparing yourself to those standards is mostly meaningless.
And they should be. We all learn in a very young age that women needs both this atributes to look beautiful. There's no point in discussing that, all these "we don't care about it" is just virtue signalation because when real human preferences are involved (propaganda, marketing strategies, adult content etc) these things are extremely sought after.
Depends how thin and how flat.
Gotta have at least B's and her azz better be bigger than mine! 😆
The bodytype without fillers, fake lashes, extentions, tattoos, piercings & other ''upgrades'' 🤗
and in shape, not fat
Chemistry is way more interesting than my preferred body type I have noticed.
You mean her macros?
maybe true but not part of this video
I hated chemistry at school...
@@siheath3648 I preferred biology at school. Chemistry after graduation 😁
@@thebigpicture2032 I preferred to cheat.
My take as a woman on the vote discrepancy of the white bikini body type because I'm puzzled so many think the reason is jealousy: The survey was "what is your preferred body type", not "which do you think is most attractive to men". Women and men like different things. Women's ideal is for their own body, i.e. "this is me but hotter".
So it depends who you ask. There are a lot of women who share the ideal with men and want that Kardashian shape which is popular in Miami. I've seen overweight women say that's their ideal body too because they want to keep the big boobs and hips but look more snatched around the waist. On a forum where the women are all into fitness, you're going to see them choose the fit/skinny woman because the ideal is "me but more lean" not "me if I had $50,000 worth of surgery". Hope this helps.
I'm extremely curvy. My measurements at age 38 are 35-24-35, WHR: .69. I wiegh 109 at 5'5. I'm genetically blessed. I'm totally natural, despite people my whole life questioning if I had plastic surgery and eating disorders. My parents had body measurements that were extraordinary, too. They instilled a healthy lifestyle value into my life since i was born. My dad used to train with the seals and was in the top 1 percent in fit standards. My mom had model proportions and millionaire men stalkers. Even in thier 60s my mom only wieghs 115 lbs, and my dad can still squat 300 lbs.
Good for you i guess
Okay, no one cares 😂😂
What's the catch though? Is it maybe the face, voice, attitude/personality etc? Nobody has it all
*as a male, my favorite girl was the "13% chosen by men" one. How did not more men choose this? I'm legit shocked.*
Cuz most men know most women don't look like that
The question wasn't "which woman is the most probable", it was "which woman is hottest".
Most women are ugly, too, so should we remove all the best faces from the poll?
@@viktorias63doesn’t mean you can’t choose it as your most preferred body type, very few men look like women’s most preferred body type
Cus men who see women in real life know that shit is likely the result of plastic surgery. Her face isn't that great either, while the top 3 ones are pretty damn good looking
Like I said for the men, I think there is a different preferred body type based on the amount of clothes being worn. Speaking for myself, I tend to prefer thinner body types for more clothed women, but curvier types for women in bikinis or less. Thinness can serve as a proxy for youth with more clothes being worn, but can signal unhealthiness when more of the body can be seen.
This is true. Thin girls looks good in clothes and not so good without
I agree. The moment you see the ribcage... off.
Man here. The men's top 8 with 29%, 25% and 8% are basically the same (or I am blind). And also the 1% and 0% are the same type to me. So effectively those 8 options condense down to 4 in my eyes. And I would rank them in this order: very muscular < slightly muscular < slim < curvy. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
0% type = a dude.
25% is average, 29% is leaner, and 8% quite a bit leaner than both.
A woman in good shape means a lot- that she values her body and health. You also dont have to worry so much that the will fall apart and get decrepit.
There's no guaranties any moro nor logic as to who gets sick. "Healthy" people fall sick at high rates nowadays too.
@@BlueBlossomsBlues especially if they took the jabs.
It's all subjective but the one thing that is atractive to everyone in general is health. If you get clear skin, nice hair and a healthy sexy body from exersicing you are gonna go up a lot of point in peoples eyes when it comes to attractiveness cause you are just healthy.
Men don't try to optimize, they have a 'good enough' point which isn't a high threshold. We're not hypergamous and go after the top of the top. I think as long as minimum thresholds are passed, that's fine. In fact, being too optimized may signal high maintenance and could be a deterrent. For marriage and commitment, body doesn't matter as much as personality / attitude. Eventually all beauty and attractiveness are lost through age.
I'll say the exact same thing about the "high maintenance" problem as I did for the male physique video. It's a non-issue. If you aren't high maintenance, that's going to be quickly evident to anyone talking to you. Meanwhile, the better you look, the more likely you'd be able to get that conversation in the first place. It's a net plus. Guys dream about the hot girl who doesn't think she's that hot.
True, but if these girls all had the exact same personality and interests, and the only difference was the body type (and you got to choose), then I think we'd all go for our hottest one.
@@svendragon8139 Yep, BUT we will be happy with 'good enough', it's not the same the other way around lol (though it may happen, practically speaking, with much dissatisfaction/resentment)
Men giving more realistic/honest answers, as is evidenced by their results approaching a statistical normal distribution.
The one women think men like the most is the one I like the most. lmao
Same
Having the stereotypical bombshell physique (a lean, but voluptuous, hourglass shape) is the ideal. Yes, measurements count. Even some of the professional models have admitted this. And adding a certain amount of powerful, sculpted and well-defined muscularity to a stereotypical bombshell physique is truly SPECIAL!!! Especially if a female can maintain it for years... !! Extremely empowering if used for GOOD intentions!! :)
Women's last one is most dude's 1st one
Preach. I have no idea why she wasnt number 1. Svery suspicious
@@warrenchu5752 yes. thats like a certain type of performer specialised on looking maximally attractive.
Yep
Very obvious that white bikini girl was male first. I think some strong bias or virue signalation happened here to take votes from her and give to more atletic women. Also, white bikini hottie is actually very lean: she just has large, ideal hip bones and breast volume.
All these women are very Lean, their difference is only breast size and bone structure. Very misleading to make the discussion about bf%,they are all in the low range.
@@Piranesi-gc8gn So a woman then. Got it.
A massive confounding factor here is that the life most people are able to live these days has reduced evolutionary pressure for mating etc and obviously we we end up with skewed visions of what we want from ourselves and others. Narcissism has become overwhelming.
2:08 .... no way ... Miss 13% is PERFECT ... I agree with the rest of the order
Studied I've read about show some variability on the waist to hip ratio, which suggests there are both social and biological factors in play.
Japanese men preferred the greatest difference with 0.6, and Pacific Islander men had the lowest ratio at around 0.9.
I prefer 0.6 in a country that prefers 0.75. So not sure what the social aspect is to that....as it had no effect on me.
Maybe cos Asian girls have such skinny azzes the only way that's attractive is with an even skinnier waist.
As for Islanders, well if they only liked 0.7 ... that population would be extinct by now. 🤣
The men's #4 is my #1.
And probably for much of the general population..
I'd put her 1 or 2.
Would be far more interested to see this if it included examples of women with higher body fat % in conjunction with varying waist-hip ratios. Highly skeptical any of these women are in the “healthy” 20-30% bf range, regardless of waist-hip ratio.
Curvy physique only 13%?😮
Confirmed rigging
@@warrenchu5752 She's definetly more
Because that's all implants and plastic surgery. The natural ones are rated higher
@@raymondc8156
Yep, especially the second one in both lists, 100% natural product, grass fed. And what about lower part of body? Also implants?
@@raymondc8156
So the second in both list looks natural to you in comparison?
The poll was about people who exercise. If you did a poll of people who avoid exercise then I’m sure they would appreciate even heavier women.
the women all had below 20% bodyfat
The ones that I see as best build, are these two just below halfway the line, for both the men and women opinion.
More than 50% of women where I live, are heavier than these though. Being lean is generally an improvement already.
To be completely fair tho you have not included any lets call it curvier bodies in the poll nothing that would even be considered overweight by any standards
Whos ideal body is overweight??
On that note, my health goal is cancer. What training split do you recommend?
@@warrenchu5752 i mean I don't know in what world you live in but as stated in the video a lot of African American men for example prefer women on the thicker side. And judging by what i see on instagram even slightly overweight. On top of that I'm not even the only person who asked that there are some other comments why are you lashing out at me lol
@@warrenchu5752 i recommend league of legends ranked. Fastest way to cancer.
Read the title. It's ideal women. If you like whales, then that's a niche taste
@@svendragon8139 bro thinks that any woman above 20% body fat is a whale
Love it! Totally agree with the men's choices on the classment made for what men prefer from women! 💪 Amazing! 💪
Like fashion, I suspect body composition preference may rely more on the opinions of your own gender than the opposite gender. At least for heterosexuals.
Most men I've talked to (and this includes myself) really have more of a range of what they find attractive. Also, proportions are more important than body fat percentage. A taller woman with wide hips and big breasts will still look very good at a higher body fat percentage / with more muscle mass in the upper body, because she still has a feminine shape. If you're decently fit in regards to legs and ass, you can also carry more fat and still look good. Petite women (short and delicate in build), on the other hand, will quickly lose their shape if they gain a lot of weight (fat or muscle mass in the upper body).
Overall, the overwhelming majority of women can look fairly attractive if they're at a reasonable body fat percentage and have a fit lower body.
Can you do a study about the male preference for tit-to-arm ratio?
50 : 1
small arms, perky melons 😍
2 of each.
Can you create a video on the ratios of both male and female and what muscles to train and what muscles to not train to achieve that ideal ratio.
Men: upper body and especially shoulders
Women: lower body and especially ass.
As a man I am always surprised that women seem so focused on losing weight and being skinny. Yes, being actually fat is not super attractive, but I do like a soft, feminine body with curves, and some extra pounds usually accentuates those feminine curves.
Yes Menno, accounting for different cultures is essential! I mean for getting more inclusive meaning of "men". Even "latino" is a very diverse term in itself, preferences in Argentina and Dominican Republic might be huge.
Went to the community tab to see the poll. It does not exist. Where is the data for this video really from?
Did you not listen to the video? The poll is from Facebook.
The two factors that makes a woman's body attractive is bmi and whr. most men prefer is a bmi of 18-19 with it being unattractive below that. A bmi of 18-20 is still pretty thin but girls can still be curvy at that level.
Dissapointed that none of the photos showed an even remotely "thick" girl, while the mens version at least had a "dadbod" option. This wasnt helpful what so ever Menos....
And how did that "dad bod" do?
@@missano3856ok boomer
I think white bikini girl qualifies.
Women’s #1 stood out as most muscular and healthy looking. Others just had larger breasts but were not fat, that’s why men liked them.
This video is so scuffed. You could only choose between super, super lean body types anyways. This only creates even more pressure on women to want to look like a Barbie, just like all these model and reality tv shows
Preference change overtime. Now its about big butts and curves when even 30 years ago (90s) it was skinny, even though in Black and latino culture they preferred a more "filled out" woman. Love the content
Trick question, a body type we'd all ignore for a low maintenance and kind woman.
Truth, so much truth. 'Hotness' is something people who are casually dating chase after...it's still a positive when you're looking for a wife, but the personality traits of someone who'll be a caring and supportive wife and a good mother are absolutely #1 by a huge margin. Especially for guys in their 30's and 40's or beyond who've seen enough of the world to have a matured perspective. Even a very homely lady with those personality traits is a great catch to many if not most men looking for a life partner.
And low body count, no casual sex ever
I'd tolerate the one in the green shorts.
Great video, the only thing about the waist to hip ratio study though, is that it likely tests men’s preferences for waist sizes to a significant extent as well, not just hip to waist ratio. I can say myself that I’d choose the 0.7 of the 3D models there as well, but I find women with high waist to hip ratios but narrow hips and narrow waists to be very attractive. There is definitely an obsession with exaggeratedly low ratios amongst women at the moment that’s quite silly. The woman that women rated as most attractive to men also looked way too lean to me. Number 5 in the male preferences list followed by 1, 4 and 2 are the most attractive to me. Love your content.
As a female viewer, just want to share you have used 8 photos of perfect body shape to represent female body 😅 the 8 photos all showed almost perfect body that 95% of female population would dream to have, tiny waist, btc, round glute, slender limbs, perfect skin, your research simply doesn’t represent the ordinary world.
I agree, but it was pretty similar in the male video
read the title of the video
I think Menno's intention was to rate between idealized images of body type, as you're pointing out. The ordinary world is very different, personality and perceived maintenance become primary considerations, which don't translate well to images. I might rate one woman as 'most attractive' based on appearance, but she could also be at the bottom of my list for most desirable as a wife or long-term partner. I think appearance only really matters in terms of drawing people over to initially interact with you...I think my wife is lovely, but I met her when she came over to hit on one of my friends, and her personality just completely captured me. I absolutely would have pursued her even if she had been very homely or physically unattractive at that point. I'm sure I can't be the only guy with this perspective.
How do you know they own bitcoin just from the pictures?
"Fit" and "fat" are not body types.
Out of the men's top 8, honestly the first five are pretty much interchangeable to me. It's unfortunate that it's often so hard for women to get fit considering the margin of options are so wide.
The 1% was the best! Second was the one preferred at 29%.
I'm most interested in being lean because it's more comfortable. At 180lbs at 5'4'' people still think I'm attractive, but all the fat around my thighs and stomach is very uncomfortable and makes me feel self conscious. The lack of mention of all the chafing, pulling, and uncontrolled movement from having extra fat is always weird to me. Even though it looks attractive to be larger, it's not easy to move around.
not attractive
@@mikecar52 My fiance would disagree 😉 I'm 162 now, btw, should've written my comment in past tense.
The least preferred body type for woman is my favorite! She has the best hip to waist ratio and that perfect hour glass figure. I thought she would be a lot higher than 13% for men too
Well these days, half the people can't even tell you what a woman is. 🤦♂️
I am a woman and I picked the men’s most preferred body type as my favorite, what does that say about me?
(I’m straight btw)
Good tastes? I don't know 😆
I'm sure the comments section will be just as balanced and reasonable as they were in the last video. As in, "not at all"
Relax bro.
Quit crying
So long as they agree with me.
The two in dark bikinis seems to have almost the same body type, same with two of the body builders. The supermuscular not being popular with either women or men is not surprising. But is surprise me that women find supercurvy type not attractive.
As a white North American dude (apparently we like leaner women?), I thought the curviest one was most attractive. Honestly she could have gained 30 pounds (sorry, ~13.5 kilos) and I'd still be fine with it. So who knows.
On the men's top 8 I prefer rank 4 and up. Anything leaner and more muscular looking I dislike.
Ladies put on as much muscle as you can..and that doenst meant you have to go full bodybuilder..but muscle looks grreat.
Disagree - the moment a woman starts to look 'muscular' in my eyes, she's off the radar.
Which is to say, I most certainly wouldn't recommend that as a piece of general advice for women, since it will only pertain to a portion (and probably a rather small-ish proportion, though now I'm speculating) of men. Some guys will like it, some won't care, some/many will be put off by it.
@@nietzscheankant6984 Unless they're really trying to go pro or they abuse steroids, they won't get "muscular". The woman in the white bikini looks like she hits the gym multiple times a week, building muscle. The most muscular 4 of those women look like they actually compete in shows and some of them clearly use steroids, they're not just regular girls building muscle in the gym.
@@nietzscheankant6984 Putting on too much muscle isn't going to be a problem for virtually any women working out. Even if a woman did so, it'd be the easiest thing in the world to quickly back it down a bit. The only women getting too much muscle are those specifically trying to do so. It'd be like a guy getting too much muscle. That simply isn't going to unintentionally happen, and would require a massive amount of work.
@@paavoilves5416 Well, you're not really arguing against me then, are you?
My specific complaint was about women looking muscular, which doesn't mean they shouldn't work out at all.
Idk about women needing to abuse steroids to look muscular though, unless I misunderstood another video by Menno ("Why women can gain as much muscle as men despite having 15x less testosterone") - from what I understood, women can actually gain a lot more muscle than usually assumed, though they still won't end up as muscular as men.
Regardless, I wasn't opposing women working out (rather, I'd encourage it), just pointing out that I, like many men, actually do NOT find muscular-looking women attractive, unlike OP.
@@KenMathis1 This may be, but I was simply objecting to OP's comment about how "muscles look great" - of course it somewhat depends what *exactly* he meant by that, but if taken to mean "muscular-looking" then no, I can't agree - the moment a woman starts looking muscular rather than "toned" or "fit", my interest tends to drop off very quickly.
Just ain't my thing - I like feminine looking women.
(And none of this is in opposition to women working out, of course - exercising is good for all of us.)
Very nice that you did the female physique version as well.
But it is a bit unfair to not put any thicker type of woman in there. There was one male model in the previous video, clearly unfit, body fat, slouchy, but there is no female version in this video.
Even the 'most curviest' one is far away from being the equivalent of the male version in your previous video.
Title states it's the ideal type, thus, those types don't make the cut from the start.
@@svendragon8139 Yeah I thought so as well. Funny that the total unfit type makes it to the ultimate male physique video
Including slight overweight woman in the thumbnail, yet not including them in the actual content is a bit meh...
There is increasingly little benefit and indeed increasing health and attractiveness with most men costs once women go beneath 21% bf. But how many women are below 21%?
No tomboys? I like tomboys.
Is tomboy a bodytype?
@@SomeKidFromBritain It can be.
@@SeuOu Idk brooooo
You sound like you would prefer the male version of this vid
@@SomeKidFromBritain Absolutely. Their name may even give you a hint. Google Shane from the L word and you'll know what they might be pointing at.
40% of American women are obese. They don't need encouragement to feel good about "a little more body fat". None of the women pictured in this survey represent the average woman today. Even the "curvy" one has a flat stomach. Faced with the option of a typical hambeast or the over-the-top body builder in this survey, give me the bodybuilder. I'll just try to convince her to slack off on the Andro a little...
Preferred for what? A one night stand, fun time, as a girlfriend or preferred as a wife?
Are those body things?
@@SomeKidFromBritain I believe many men prefer different body types for different occasions. Meaning many will have a one night stand with body type AA, but only want to marry a woman with body type CC. The video is short but truly could be a 12 day miniseries jejeje. It is an extremely complex and dynamic subject.
For everything you mentioned
What does those options have to do with bodyshape?
@@Authenticnerd123 some males will prefer a different body shape depending on the situation. Many guys will have a one night stand with someone below their likes / standards for a life long commitment/ wife. Very normal.
The men's view doesn't really hold any surprises. I believe you can sum it up with the old adage 'Don't be fat'.
How is the white bikini chick not number 1 on all the lists?
I remember when Kate Upton was considered a "plus sized model". I don't recall any men caring. She's still more attractive than the rail thin models and one of two or three most men and people as a whole can name.
The hot blonde has the best hip to waist ratio.
Im suspicious that she was not top 3.
Seeing her at the bottom of the womens choice made me laugh hysterically
Most were quite similar but the girl in the pink was my favorite. She didn’t have any excessive fat nor is she sporting the anorexic look. She’s in shape and clearly takes care of herself but she is definitely not shredded.
As far as physical appearance goes that’s more of what I’m looking for.
I used to be 260 lbs and now am 140 and workout hard 7 days a week. I eat right and I don’t I want to date someone who doesn’t care about their health or just gives excuses as to why she can’t be in better shape. She doesn’t have to workout as frequently or as intense as I do but she has to take her health seriously for me to be interested in dating.
I don't think those polls where you have a bunch of different women with different body types really works, because everyone has preferences in terms of look that have nothing to do with body shape or type. For example I prefer an olive complexion and darker hair on a woman, so if she's blonde then it automatically goes down a point or two for me personally. They really all need to be like the drawn images of the women's bodies where they are all the same woman, just with different shapes.
I personally prefer the more athletic look as it implies some actual dedication to being fit and healthy.
High levels of estradiol drive fat away from the waist towards gynoid fat deposition, most notably in the “bubble” but shape.
I definitely have the waist to hip ratio and I love it. I am not going back 🤣
The bikini competitor in the red cold easily look like the 29% with a bit wider shoulders, but there she is stage lean, at 8% bodyfat. In the offseason there is no way that she is not in the top 3 for men
Great video. TY, Menno.
Bottom line is this - for women - just about any body type/parts you got - there is a subgroup of men who desire that type. For men - you better conform to a very lean muscular tall body type ...or be rich to be desired.
Women prefer what super-aggressive marketing has trained them to prefer.
Men just draw a fuzzy line at "generally appears fertile", and anything over that is fine, with minor variations based on past girlfriends, favorite movies, and random quirks of brain chemistry.