It odd that everybody forgets that overfishing is thing, which is a major reason the fisheries policy exists. It seems we're going to end up with lots of fish when we can't sell it and have barely any left when we can again.
On the EU side nobody talks or care about fishing. It's entirely a British issue. As soon as the UK accept the common market rules the EU will compromise on fishing.
The year is 2022. Britain has been out of the European Union for only 2 years and already it is flourishing. Within days of gaining its financial independence, Welsh and Scottish Nationalism died; the union has never been stronger. Ireland rejoined in a second act of union. The countries of the Commonwealth flocked to be taken back as crown dominions and colonies, begging for British rule once again. India declares Queen Elizabeth II Empress. Even the original 13 colonies of North America forgo their silly republic and swear loyalty to the Queen, who has been reborn as a gorgeous youthful Goddess with the power to restore Churchill to life. One pound is now worth over 200 dollars. France admits we were better all along. Angela Merkel ends herself as her plan to form the fourth Reich and displace the white populations of Europe is brought low. Rule Britannia the world cries out... Britannia rules the world... Nigel Farage awakes; his brow wet and his plaid pyjamas slightly sticky...
Thanks. I love the way your first sentences would have brought a proud blush to brexiters, red top readers and UKIP "enthusiasts". And then . . . you lead into a Pythonesque scenario. Bravo, old chap, bravo!
Of course, I forgot how much worse off we are than Bulgaria, or Romania, or Croatia and so on and so on. Did you notice the brief mention of why it may be so? Let's not dive into that because that makes the EU look bad...
I joined a race and everyone involved followed the rules. No pushing shoving, everyone starts at the same time etc. I came in last place. It's because of the rules. It's the race organisers fault
@@liyanheart6241 you mean that the reason for low productivity in the UK may be migration? Then why is the UK (which never entered Schengen) worse off than other EU states which also experience significant internal movements?
"Access to cheap European labour could be suppressing productivity". Bring on no deal, I always wanted to see Brits picking their own fruits and building their own houses. How are you gonna run the country with no colonies and no EU workers to do the hard work?
There would still be tons of people migrating to the UK. They would simply set up work programs in south asia & the caribbean to have people do agricultural work & work in the nhs (they do this now)
@@joshuaalexander8866 And I doubt brexit changes this, UK couldve controlled its immigration outside of EU and it was never part of Schengen, but it didnt. And slashing regulation wont boost innovation, it will just make it easier for companies to make profit from low wage workers.
I guess there's going be milllions from Hong Kong. They are used to work 60+ hours a week and do what ever their bosses told them to do. And the y need their jobs in order to get the visa/status to stay. Perfect match for brexit.
The sad thing is that Brexit with a No Deal will not settle the matter. Brexiteers will always come up with an excuse as to why mana isn't falling from heaven.
It will all be the fault of evil bullying EU. They are so mean and nasty that they will instate all the border checks and tariffs that are inevitably with a no deal and that’s why it will be bad. If they’d just let us trade with them in exactly the same way as we did before but with no obligations like any sensible person would then a no deal would be as big a success as all the Brexiters predicted :p
@@JFrombaugh Yeah it was all the EU negotiating at fault. Totally not the red lines the UK set out that contradicted what it wanted and literally made any unicorn deal impossible. The EU did its best to negotiate but the UK had certain lines in the sand which tied the hands of any negotiation. Just look at the presentation made like 4 years ago by the EU detailing the UK's red lines and how each level would compromise a core part of the EU like the common goods market and each step took them further away from any kind of relationship. Blame this on an ill thought out Brexit campaign promising things that were not possible then demanding they be delivered.
@@twilh “We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” ― Mikhail Bakunin
B: No way C: Not in a 100 years D: In Farage's dreams only E: No, but it does not matter, because we are a "free" country. F: No, but its the price to pay for "independence" .. .. Z: Yes, because I like to eat fish
Of course it will, There will be a pot of gold at the end of the negotiating rainbow, and the unicorns von der Leyen and Barnier guarding it will have been chased away.
I'll make a prediction... _productivity post-BRexit over 5 years will not increase in the UK._ In fact, I suspect it will fall further. The argument that "cheap labour" has mitigated investment and reduced productivity could easily be applied to, say, Germany where a lot of "cheap" labour migrated. During 2018, for example, the UK averaged 9.1 immigrants per 1000 inhabitants, Germany 10.8, Netherlands 11.3, Ireland 20.1 and so on. Yet _all_ these countries have a significantly higher productivity rate than the UK. It's far more likely that the UK labour policy of part-time low wage (Zero Hours Contracts etc.) work contributes more to low productivity. When Henry Ford increased his workers wages to twice the then minimum wage, productivity improved noticeably. As Ford put it, "That wage increase was the best cost cutting exercise I ever made".
I agree. Immigration is just a distraction for UKs disastrous politics. Not to mention that the EU immigration is already replaces by non EU immigration, with the advantage that non EU employers are not protected by EU rights and can be exploited more easily.
Productivity in the UK certainly wont increase under no deal. Zero-hour, service based, economy asides, the UK simply doesn't invest in anything with the potential for long term growth - a decade of austerity and political instability has screwed us for another 10 years at least.
Part of the problem is the overly-generous welfare in the UK. A friend of mine is a secretary and she makes more money when she's unemployed than when she works. Bad incentive.
@@nathanaelsmith3553 I might need get some of those, too, before I have to pay tariffs on them. I think one of those would be an excellent present for my coworker with whom I have spent numerous lunches laughing about BoJo and his circus crew. The past few years have been a great time for being a cynic.
While we are on quotations, how about "Democracy is acknowledged folly" (Alkibiades. He did what the Athenian assembly ordered him to do in Sicily and elsewhere , but later got kicked out by ostracism. He died in Sparta stabbed in the back while making love to a slave girl(or a member of the ruling family).
It is crazy how people still think this is going to be a bad thing for the EU.The EU has 27 countries. I think that when the UK leaves they are just going to shop in other EU countries.
Well what the vote was actually about was whether to limit immigration from citizens of EU member states or not. The bigger issue behind it would have been that had the motion passed it wouldn't have been possible to simply make this individual change to the Swiss-EU treaty. Just like with the UK and the WA, the Swiss treaty is also a broad agreement which from the EU's perspective is either all or nothing. Had the Swiss voted in agreement of this limitation and their politicians acted on it, the process would have triggered Brexit-like chaos regarding future business and political relationships between Switzerland and EU member states.
@@chardonnay5767 and the Swiss, knowing a thing or two about referendums, would have explained this clearly so that their voters could make an informed decision. Very similar to the UK brexit vote. Haha just kidding.
More fish isn't a very strong argument I think. Increase fishing capacity by 200-300% for two years and the fish populations will suffer massively, resulting in the upscaled fleet being a wasted investment if there's hardly any fish left to catch. UK fishing waters will be rapidly depleted of fish then, after 2 years of seeing a 0.1% GDP increase. After that, fishing yields and revenue will decrease fast and fishermen will beg to fish in EU waters again.
Nickle completely different situations considering that greece was literally going to fail and the bail out wasn’t applied out of pettiness from a government. But also if you really think so I thought the uk was better, ir was calling itself better, than the eu.... so far they are not that different huh?
Georg well it is I mean no international rule was broken before greece was nearly going to fail it wouldn’t even makes sense. It’s the motivations behind it that are completely different and it’s obvious that the uk broke it because they have a government incapable of deciding what to do. Im not obviously saying that one was better than the other breaking international laws I don’t think it’s ever good...
Firstly, I'm a remainer and regardless of my next statrement, I still believe tht remaining would be a better solution. But there's one situation that could present itself next year where a clean break from the EU may good thing. We're only just seeing the start of the recession, jobs schemes have artificially kept certain markets afloat until now. There is a very real possibility that as these schemes end, unemployment rises sharply, and the recession kicks in fully that there's going to be some major corporate issues, sectors such as German auto manufacturing could quite easily fold entirely for example. If this happens there's also a very good chance that various European banks, such as Deutsche Bank could also struggle and fold - just look at their performance over he last 10 years. If German banks start wobbling then the entire European monetary experiment is under massive stress and the shitdhow really begins, and in which case GB could be better off away from that situation altogether as the richer nations will be lumbered with bailing out the poorer nations for decades - look at how the Dutch argued that very same point in the last European rescue deal.
@@AndyNicholson Exactly, the writing was on the wall, we helped bail our the PIGS nations last time (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain). If you don't have the democratic will of the people then you have nothing, they tried to avoid too many referendums like changing failed Constitutions into Treaties. Being in the EU meant our low skilled labour market was flooded, not having such a flood will put us in better stead for the future. Not having our hands tied for the EUs state aid rules will put us in a better stead for any future financial turmoil too. They tried to piggyback their political ideology of the free movement of people onto the back of the widely accepted free movement of goods and services, that was their downfall.
Yeah but leadership tends to be spiteful and emotional on such topics. So "if it's bad for me but worse for you, I still come out on top" is the mentality that leads, rather than "let's make it as best for both of us as possible".
@Alfa&Omega 00000 Giving the EU too much credit there. Everyone wants what's "worst" for the other. They're no better than the UK at this. Except they right now believe that the deal they want the UK to agree to will hurt the UK more than a no-deal, which is why they don't push no-deal.
The British government is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They promised to their voters all the benefits of the common market (and more) without any of the responsibilities. Now that the EU doesn't give them such an unrealistic deal, they don't want to be seen as betraying campaign promises but they also don't want to leave without a deal because it will cost billions. It will end up with the UK accepting at the very last minute the deal that the EU offers, because money counts more than voters in British politics.
@Alfa&Omega 00000 EU wants the best possible deal for itself, i.e. something that doesn't hurt the EU, only UK. This means EU comes in on top. UK wants something where the UK comes in on top. They believe a no-deal is exactly that, i.e. it will hurt both EU and UK but "hopefully" (for the UK) it hurts the EU more. EU believes a no-deal would hurt UK more than it would hurt EU, but also that they have more advantage to gain over the UK by forcing their deal. So they push that instead. If EU believed that a no-deal would give more advantage over the UK than their deal does, they would also push for no-deal. It's all about who believes what and how certain they are of their predictions, but rest assured that the political desire to gain over the other is still there just the same.
@Alfa&Omega 00000 There are no adversarial politics where one side "wants a good deal for both". The EU wants to hurt the UK as much as possible without hurting themselves too much in the process. They feel the need to make an example out of the UK for daring to leave. Yes, the UK made a huge economic blunder with brexit in the first place, but I'm trying to dispel this "good guy" view you have about the EU. There are no good guys here. Everyone is just looking to hurt the other while staying ahead with the best use of their political tools as they see fit.
Brexit is not about economics - it’s about ideology, at the cost of economy. The likelihood of the 3 upsides mentioned is low. But Brexitists will say that people need to believe more
Hmmm, that's right and it's also the problem. Faith and Patriotism is nice, but British citizens could have been also patriots as EU members because Great Britain was sovereign within the EU too. The standards that the EU has set for all countries in the community only marginally affected the sovereignty of a country's domestic policy. Not to mention the fact that the UK supported all EU decisions. Accusing the EU of dictatorship is utter nonsense. Nothing happens in the EU without a democratc consent of all countries. However, I am shocked to see that many people in the UK have turned from patriots to nationalists. By the way, nationalism cannot be eaten if the economy collapses because of it and many people's refrigerator will be empty. I also see that Brexit fans are not exactly the intelligent elite and their Jobs will be the first to be hit by economic reality.
@@folkestender2025 Thoughts on the UK low skilled labour market being flooded in 2004 by the A8/A10 ascending and only the UK, Ireland and Sweden allowing their citizens to mirate here? Where was the EU solidarity then? Anyway we don't trust our own politicans here in the UK, we had to leave the EU so the book stops at them and they can stop blaming the EU as their scape goat. Its about Devolution of power away from a central authority because in that system they are less acountable to the people they work for (us).
Not everyone votes with their pocket and thats apsolutely fine... prioritising things like autonomy and self governance first isn't such a bad thing in reality. This is democracy, the people know whats best for them.
@@andrewtowell6074 Do people really know what's best for them, or have they been influenced by propaganda? Today people all over the world mean "all" Germans in 1933 were Nazis. Perhaps, after the humiliation by the Versailles Treaty and the Great Depression and the chaos in the Weimar Republic, the Germans only knew what was best for them ... That people always know what is best for them does not have to mean it's really the best ... ;-)
@@folkestender2025 If people dont know what is best for them, who does know whats best for them? If you don't know whats best for you, who does? As an example, does your father know whats best for yoy or do you as an adult know whats best for you? Think about it... its the only option, everyone gets one vote on what they think is best for them selves and we go with the democratic majority...
Worlds 5th largest economy - somehow I think we will cope. Sometimes you have to take a few steps back to go forwards. Yes there will be short term chaos and economic hit, but no doubt in the longer term the UK will fly.
The UK is a service sector economy, it makes up 80% of GDP and the UK enjoys a commanding trade surplus. Forget fish, ignore the lorries; total distraction. Think IT providers, architects, accountants, universities and banks. What will happen there? Nothing good.
Bad deal for fish and one of the three unionist strongholds falls in Scotland. Others are farming and public school arseholes. Nearest suitable site for Trident is France or the USA.
You can't eat services. The Lorry's are pretty relevent particularly for imports. The fact remains that the EU is geographically next door. Therefore the UK needs the EU to buy and sell goods to. Sending a shipping container across the world for 2 weeks to Japan isn't the same as shipping them to France. It's slow and expensive which is not conducive to low prices for consumers
@@aightm8 My point was about the economy. The UK ignoring the service sector is like Saudi Arabia ignoring oil sector. Granted, all countries need food and supplies, but it isn't the basis of the economy that pays for these things.
Nickle that is not true. For example USA relies on the City to access EU financial services, as the UK got that when traded fishing rights. In a no deal the EU would block parts or all of it. They have already started organise for this eventuality, with multiple cities.
The UK government just showed the whole world that IT IS NOT bound by international law and treaties though. WHo will want to make deals with UK if they just willfully break said deals anyway?
Well, lots of people make deals with the USA, and they routinely break or ignore those deals, so I suspect countries are quite willing to make a deal anyway. That said, the USA is a much bigger market than the UK, so that may be a bigger factor than their likelihood of keeping their word.
QemeH while your point’s still correct if I remember rightly they lobotomised the frogs before doing the whole ‘frog in boiling water thing’. Don’t know whether that adds to your analogy or just makes it more depresssing
Most Brexit fans don't know that most of the fish they eat is imported from around the world, bought through EU trade agreements. The fine white fish caught in UK waters would not even be enough to meet UK needs. First and foremost, it is herrings that are caught there. Every year the EU countries (including the UK so far) import around 8.8 million tons of marine fish. The largest amount of white fish comes from China: around 600,000 tons. Vietnam is in second place among importers with 500,000 tons per year. In third and fourth place are Norway and the USA with 400,000 tons each. Iceland makes it to fifth place and exports 300,000 tons of white fish to the European Union every year. In sixth place is Russia with 250,000 tons and lastly the Faroe Islands with 70,000 tons. Only 11% of the fine white fish comes from trawlers from the European Union (including the UK). I don't know why Brexiteers still believe this idiotic fish fairy tale, that the EU will perish without British fish. The UK will also suffer from a shortage of fine white fish if it loses all EU international trade agreements on January 1, 2021. An alternative to the popular fish & chips would be to eat herrings & chips in the future. ;-)
@@andrewtowell6074 No, I'm just showing that some of the fish consumed in the UK is non-UK. If the UK continues to want it, it will be time to have its own supply chain with contracts, because from January 1st 2020 it will no longer be possible for the UK, to buy fish under EU trade agreements.
@tldr, I appreciate your forever support for your government, although I have absolutely no idea why, but Cliff-Edge Brexit will leave the EU without the UKS financial sector, yes? As that is mainly what the UK offers. All a No Deal does is open up the market for another country to fill the gap and create a London 2.0. Meanwhile, the UK will loose how much trade? Will be paying how much more for goods? Waiting how much longer to import? Cost how much to sort out their ports on a forever daily basis?
I think the main issue is losing attraction of single market membership for foreign investment - Honda etc, and when you lose those factories you also damage other local firms that service them.
And reversing the flight of firms like this would be impossible as things got worse. How many other countries could honestly do as good a job or better at hosting Honda manufacturing? I’m guessing enough to where they wouldn’t have to ever go back
@@andrewtowell6074 But No Deal means the UK will be trading on WTO tariffs... so, why would a car manufacturer want to pay more to use the UK as a base?
@@krispy529 A major promise of the Leave campaign was that the UK would not leave the Single Market, and would have a comprehensive deal with the EU. Leaver claims to the contrary were dismissed as Project Fear. You obviously support, and are looking forward to, a no-deal Brexit. So your position is apparently that i) A no-deal Brexit is coming. ii) The claim that there might be a no-deal Brexit was Project Fear. Note that you can't resolve this paradox by saying that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain. The Leave campaign didn't claim that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain. They claimed that a no-deal Brexit would not happen--indeed that no one was even contemplating one, and that claims to the contrary were Project Fear.
@@alanparlane5498 Again: A major promise of the Leave campaign was that the UK would not leave the Single Market, and would have a comprehensive deal with the EU. Leaver claims to the contrary were dismissed as Project Fear. You obviously support, and are looking forward to, a no-deal Brexit. So your position is apparently that i) A no-deal Brexit is coming. ii) The claim that there might be a no-deal Brexit was Project Fear. Note that you can't resolve this paradox by saying that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain. The Leave campaign didn't claim that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain. They claimed that a no-deal Brexit would not happen--indeed that no one was even contemplating one, and that claims to the contrary were Project Fear.
If people think being under EU law is bad, just wait till they see what it's like to be under WTO law. At least in the EU, the UK had some influence being a very large market, under WTO they will be competing for influence against China, the US, the EU, Russia, India... Most countries get practically no say in there
Doesn't matter, if that happens, some sort of Commonwealth Union will occur. Australia loves us, America loves us, India can't afford to be out of touch with the UK or America through alienating the UK, because they are in conflict with China and won't alienate China's enemies they will join a Commonwealth Union as well. We'll be fine.
@@av8973 We'll see, won't we. I reckon things will be tense for a while, but in the long-term, we'll benefit profoundly from having our freedoms to choose what's best for us. You guys keep quivering in yer boots about losing a few quid, the rest of us will be living a free and independent life, thank you very much.
I guess we'll need to get used to mackerel and chips, or pickled herring and chips...because that's what we catch the most of...by far. Might as well reforest the Welsh hills and tarmac over the N. York moors too...because sheep farming is out of the window; along with much of the rest of UK farming.
Who the frick cares about the rich ass farmers? They own land I think they will be alright. Id prefer it if EVERYONE got cheaper food and clothes from better non tariff trade deals with other countries rather than protect some land owners wages. Let's help out the poor that spend most of their money on food and clothes rather than protect the rich for once. Gdp isn't the only thing that matters..
I too would prefer it if magic fairy country of plenty would give us cheaper food and clothes. Why has no one thought of going to magic fairy country of plenty before? It seems the obvious answer now that you've suggested it. Yes. One of those 'cheaper' trade deals, please, big wide world.
@@cormactaylor9539 You need to get your story straight. If farmers don't matter, then the agricultural workers they employ don't matter...and neither do the fishermen, working for those "rich ass" trawler owners. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, anyone dumb enough to have voted for this mess can survive by diving in skips or queuing up at the food bank. Free food ought to be cheap enough for anyone...assuming there's enough going spare to donate.
Personally, I expect Brexit to be a complete mess that reduces the UK's influence in the world for a long time. The EU's proximity makes them the best candidate for a major trading partner, and the massive difference in economy size will allow the EU to basically dictate terms. Which will be worse than what the UK had as an EU member, because of that vast difference in market power and that little detail where giving a better deal to a non-member than to the members is simply not going to fly with the member-states. Also where fishing is concerned you have to consider whether fishing more is even feasible. Take too much and fish stocks will crash.
@@Nickle314 Wrong. The UK signed up to a level playing field in the withdrawal agreement's political declaration. The EU simply insist on the UK sticking to its promises. This is the _only_ basis for further discussions. Otherwise the UK will get exactly nothing.
@@babelhuber3449 The UK signed up to a level playing field in the withdrawal agreement's political declaration. ========= No it didn't. If you were right, then the EU wouldn't be demanding level playing field. They are, you are wrong Remember, no FTA, means no WA. Neither side can cherry pick.
@@Nickle314 Riddle me this, Batman! What percentage of the UK's total trade goes to the EU, and what percentage of the EU's goes to the UK? That will tell you who can wait who out.
@@Nickle314 The WA is an independent contract on its own. It doesn't rely on an FTA. Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it true. If the UK breaks the WA it will be in for nasty times!
This is a very strange analysis. Over 50% of exports go to the EU. The EU has other sources of getting whatever it gets from the EU including masses of EU suppliers and trade deals with most of the world. The UK, not so much!!
Yep... The EU has already covered the loss and only loses one small market. The UK so far has only confirmed less than 13% of the trade it had before.. the rest, WTO, for all those who had no idea of what that actually means.
A good analysis is almost impossible to make. There are just too many variables. Now the only thing that is sure, is that frictionless trade will be gone. That in itself is already a huge burden. But all other things are still in the balance... Even some deal, albeit probably not a comprehensive FTA, is still possible.
@Harm Vullings One of the variables being that in order to claim "made in the EU", EU manufacturers in some cases may have to substitute UK suppliers with EU suppliers to honour the rules of origin.
@@lvoldum It'll all be ok. European companies can replace their UK suppliers with European suppliers. UK companies can do the same thing the other way around. I am already going through my supplier list and have informed my British suppliers I will not need them anymore from 2021 onwards.
@@jackrussell3755 it's true that borders are common elsewhere, but Scotland (and Europe in general) had the privilege of open borders for a long time and I wonder if Scottish people are willing to accept an hard border with England. That's the implication of leaving the UK and joining the EU. Hard border with England and switching from £ to €.
Chilapa of the Amazons considering independence is polling consistently over 55%, Scottish people are tired of being part of a Uk where our votes don’t matter, we are consistently being dictated to from a government we don’t vote for, we’re tired of your lies and scaremongering, there are independent nations the world over who have less than what Scotland have if they can do it why can’t we?. Also we have announced we would introduce a Scottish currency we wouldn’t keep the pound that’s been known for a while now. Many nations in the EU don’t use the Euro so that points invalid
Chilapa of the Amazons and it’s England that are putting up borders not Scotland, England are the ones who voted for this and are pushing for a hard brexit which will put borders up this isn’t Scotlands doing
I love our British neighbor's, but I am starting to question the mental health of their politicians. How ignorant can you be to give a former journalist all power
@Justin Time Already 4 long years of begging in Brussels for the same unrealistic concessions, doesn't it hurt? Boris should just present that oven-ready deal and were are done.
@Justin Time So, why are you still speculating on concessions, if you want a no-deal? All demanded concessions would not be implemented in a deal anyway, if there is no deal. It would not matter and all negotiations would just be wasted time and a lot of uncertainty for UK businesses, which still are not knowing what to expect and how to invest, could have been saved. And all those investors putting their money elsewhere.... And the UK even asked for an extension for further negotiations, one extra year of uncertainty for UK businesses. And the whole world is watching how Boris made a clown of himself, one extra year of begging for the exact the same unicorn, failing again and again.
Trade deals with other countries, such as Australia, Japan, Canada, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea would cause manufacturing industry to diversify and innovate thereby boosting GDP.
There are a vast number of people who believe that with WTO no deal you can’t set different tariffs for different countries, they believe falsely that we can set a high tariff for the EU and a low tariff for other countries, they simply don’t understand this is not allowed under WTO rules, as soon as this misconception is broken they will come to realise what a terrible position no deal puts the country in.
@@LoserZalbo Much depends on what the UK government does. Talking about policies being "good for a country" is misleading. Good for some, terrible for others. EEC membership was only ever good for farmers, bureaucrats, and people in some financial services sectors and property/iandowners in London and the South East. Working people in the North found their livelihoods vanishing even faster, and they were never replaced. At the same time food prices soared due to the CAP and the loss of traditional suppliers. The EU is only good for certain classes of people in certain places.
@@kreight_ Protectionism is very bad indeed for local industry and local people. Local industry can get away with palming off over-priced junk to its captive market. Protected from competition, it gets more and more inefficient. It was the ruin of Argentina, but that country is only one of many. If imports are bad for a country, then remote islands such as St Helena, and countries subject to sanctions, such as North Korea, should be the most prosperous in the world. During the war, the enemy used submarines and warships to prevent goods from getting into the country. If protection was a good thing, then the attempt at a blockade would have been an advantage.
Actually the EU has already announced that in the event of a no deal no food items will be allowed to be imported into the EU from the UK. That includes banning fish being imported into the EU from the UK. So tariffs on fish are irrelevant.
The EU won't budge. It hasn't changed its position for the last 4 years. It'll still be take it or leave it, except that the UK will be desperate. So no need to hurry for the EU...
The EU needs the UK more than the other way around. The UK simply needs to declare it now has sovereignty over the EU rules instituted over the last half century. However, the EU is going broke, without a prime funding source this will only accelerate.
@@GuruEvi LOL! So you haven't learned anything in the last 4 years? Sorry, I forgot that brexit has degraded into a religion meanwhile, this is one of your dogmas 🤦 Enjoy as long as you can!
Let's go for it no deal we can do it we have the muscle we can create economical value increase production and take care of our people we can do it.👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
I think that there have always been too many "might's" and "maybes" when it comes to talking about the benefits of leaving the EU compared to the substantial known benefits and security of being in the EU. How anyone could ever have believed that turning our back on our closest economic, political, and geographic partner was a good idea will always baffle me.
Especially since a lot of those maybes rely on the EU shooting itself in the foot in order to please the UK. Won't happen. What a lot of people don't understand is that negotiation between member states and negotiations between the EU and others are two different things. Yes, those last minute agreements happen, but ONLY between the member states. When it comes to others, the EU simply doesn't budge.
@Elliot Roger fan account 1. Nobody forced you. Membership in the EU isn't just volountary, it is something one has to fight for. In the UK's case, well, you were rejected the first time around. 2. A lot of organisations have an anthem and a flag. If you are afraid of that, better don't get to close to any football game out there. 3. Still no EU army. But even if there were, why are you afraid of an army you are part of? 4. The EU is not the UK. Canon boat diplomay was common for the empire, not for the EU. 5. We are not the ones who repeat nonsense without a second thought. Honestly, your whole post was basically Brexiter Bingo.
@Elliot Roger fan account 1. Read the f... Preamble of the Coal and Steel union. This was always a political union whose goals were clearly stated from day one. 2. Nor does the EU. The EU just tells you, which seat you get for which kind of money in their Stadium. Just like your football team. Plus, a flag and an anathem is just that, a flag and an anathem. If you are okay with a football team having one, you shouldn't have a problem with the EU having both. 3. So what? Everyone can make proposals. Every member state and MEP can devide how to react to one. Not sure what your objects there is. 4. Why isn't the EU giving the UK a Canada style agreement? Well, for one, look at a f... globus and not where Canada is lokated as opposed to where the UK is lokated. In addition, despite the UK politiicans labelling it that way, that is not what they actually want. That's what the whole "plus" are about. Fishing agreements btw predate the EU and naturally disagreements have to be cleared up in an international court. Plus, YOU were the one who sold your fishing quotas. Most EU countries outright forbit the sale of fishing quotas. And you do realise that a lot of what the UK wants to claim as "British territory" is also Irish territory? And that your fisherman are known for fishing in french waters during the time when France's own fishermen aren't allowed to, in order to protect the stocks? And nobody holds Northern Ireland hostage...it was the UK which tried to claim that island, it was the UK which insisted to maintain control over a tiny portion of it, it was the UK who negotiated the good friday agreement and is the UK which is about to break it. The EU has practically bend over backwards to protect it. 5. Lol, that's your angle? What is nonsense is pretty much everything you wrote. Nice attempts to rewrite history. What actually happened, btw, was that Ireland had a vote, the proposal failed, it was asked what the problem was, the concerns were adressed, and then the vote got through. Another word for a process like this is democracy, btw. And btw, I did bother to read the preamble of the Coal and Steel union. Did you? It's easily availalbe.
Andrew Towell you think? Maybe it’s where you live, it’s all salmon and smoked haddock round here. Maybe the smoked stuff. But on a restaurant menu, it doesn’t sell hence you don’t see it much...... well played to your girlfriend though
James Hansing yeah, it’s interesting. Been thinking about it recently. In Poland for example it’s normal to see Halibut on the menu at a sea side frier, something that raises eyebrows if you ask for at your local UK chippy, it’s only Cod or Haddock in most places ... or Halloumi recently :) type in “koreczki śledziowe” into google images, we get creative with Herring, it’s a national thing.
I've yet to be given any concrete evidence that Brexit is a good think with any benefits. I keep trying to ask a Brexiteer what they are but it's so so hard to find someone who will now admit that they voted for Brexit 😔
I know someone who said something about how fishing waters are bigger now and we have more control of our sea waters but that’s all they had. But they clearly need to watch this video 😅
Okay please tell us the benefits of Brexit?? Not trying to ridicule you I generally want to know what is the economic advantage. Like how are people who work pay check to pay check going to benefit, people like me btw?
All of this talk over fishing will be for nought when Scotland leaves the UK and takes 55% of the UK EEZ and 53% of the British fishing industry with it.
Scotland will never leave the uk, the scots benefit financially from being part of the union, otherwise they're just the 51st state. Scotland really are a bit of land that broke off of America & smashed into us. England & Scotland rock plates are different types and smashed together ours was from Europe & theirs was from north America.
@@anpratadraiochtuil5293 Well that's true but as he said Scotland get a lot of aid from the UK they would have to give that up and then go and rejoin the EU and meet whatever conditions the EU would want to make them a member
Persisting Free-Trade between the UK and the EU27 Vassals would be preferable, but if this doesn't happen (which it will, take it to the bank) then the UK would still be in a far better situation than it was an a European Union member.
I’m new to this channel. You only talk about economics. You don’t say anything about how if we increase fishing we could over fish our waters and then destroy the biodiversity in our waters
I can't help but feel like it's a bit irresponsible to entertain the notion that a no-deal "could" end up being good for the economy, even though you emphasize that most economists say that it won't. I think it just gives Brexiters license to live in their fantasy land and spout more bullshit.
4:19 are you kidding me? Are you just kidding me right now? They've been blocking the negotiation for the past four years over fish and THEY DON'T EVEN LIKE IT?
I think your attempts to be seen as completely fair and unbiased are taking you away from pushing fact based conclusions as much as you should regarding the damage Brexit is and will cause the UK. Still, thanks for posting.
I mean, depends on what is meant by Britain, I'm sure Brexit will be great if you're a millionaire or billionaire, but less so for the average people, and small independent businesses.
"Could a No Deal Brexit Be Good for Britain?" As an Irish man, I find it fascinating that the question assumes that Northern Ireland is already written off as part of the UK... The answer to the question, whether it refers to the UK or a post-UK Britain, is simply a loud, even deafening, "No!" As in; What part of "There is no way that the UK would ever be better off, no matter which version of Brixit is actually committed!" do you fail to comprehend? Next question, please?
@@mrsthelens1 The EU is an economy about NINE times larger than the UK's. The UK accounts for barely 7% of EU exports. The UK market for most EU member states is either marginal or nonexistent. Even for Ireland, likely to be the most affected by Brixit, the UK market in July was just over 7% of our total exports... Meanwhile, the EU takes about 45% of the UK's exports. Of course the EU will be diminished by Brixit, but the relative impact will be small, and easily dealt with. The UK, on the other hand, is going to be devastated...
Could chopping off my left hand be good for me? Without a left hand, I would be free to acquire a robot hand, which would be an amazing benefit. Of course, some people (Debby Downers) would argue that keeping your boring old fleshy hand is better than a potentially amazing robot hand.
I am still waiting someone to explain me this: if no deal and WTO rules are so great, why is the UK looking so desperately to sign trade deals with Australia, Japan...?
The real question, is why didn't the EU try harder to get those deals that the UK so desperately wanted all along? The Japan deal only finally happened because of Brexit, to ensure it could be rolled over post brexit.
@@megaangelic Because the UK wants things which give bussiness more freedoms on the costs of consumers, safety and sustainability. The real issue is that the goals of the Tories and the goals of the EU are incompatible. One only wants to get wealthier, the other wants to live a decent life. The UK-Japan deal is already showing this. Deregulation in the FinTech sector and financal transactions to and in offshore accounts and in the area of data security of customers (local data storage). The UK can have it. After the next banking bailout, more targeted and aggressive advertisement, data leaks and election manipulation people might think otherwise.
As for the first thing, nope, Brexit had nothing to do, because the deal took years to be finished. As for the rest, the EU had close deals with Vietnam, African, Caribbean and South American organizations, Switzerland… You know what's the trick? It takes YEARS to close that kind of deals, It was Bo-Jo who said it was the easiest deal in history, oven-ready...
I like how you've clearly aimed this for the people who already believe it will be a good thing and tried to both sides it to get passed the cognative dissonance. Pretty smart TLDR.
I've honestly never seen a channel that so perfectly encapsulates the problem with forcing a balanced perspective. While tl:dr admit that the possibility of a no Deal being good is a minority veiw, they spend most of the video talking that perspective, making it feel very reasonable. Especially given they've isolated this question from the existing economic damage caused by Brexit to the UK, and the demonstrable level of dishonesty and incompressible from the current British government.
It's the live prawns and shellfish that dont keep. We will have to eat that and find someone to buy our fish but I dont see anyone paying as much as Europe
Yes this show got old a while ago, they are really trying to milk the content out of this with the latest season, at least it seems we will finally get a series finale. They can't keep up with the trendier covid drama, that shit is the new Game of Thrones
I think the assumptions about a no-deal depend as much on the competency of the people managing it as on financial projections. Given that, basically we are buggered.
You miss out Freedom of Movement in EU for UK citizens which will mean applying for visas for each country for anyone staying linger an 90 days and loss of European Health Insurance Cover. How about a video on how leaving the EU with or without a deal is affecting UK citizens who spend a significant time working or living in Europe and those who have second homes or have retired there. Its not all about trade deals and fish !
Elliot Roger fan account Not sure what an “EU” passport is. Perhaps TLDR could explain! Of course many Brits are now choosing to apply for residency in another EU country, taking their assets to that country and paying taxes there instead of to a xenophobic British government.
The UK has made it very clear that it cannot be trusted. So why would the EU or anyone else want to make any deal with the UK now, when you rightly have to assume that the UK could break any agreement at any time? 🤷 There are plenty of other potential trading partners in the world who respect agreements and are therefore much more reliable. So why continue to deal with the UK when you could expand your relationships with others instead? 🤷
This video should be titled "Could a No Deal Brexit be good for the British economy?" I didn't see anything about what it means to the British people, and I'm assuming no one buys the "trickle down" argument in 2020.
@@andrewtowell6074 it wont but will always be spun that it is, we are over 2 trillion in debt after 10 years of austerity in our 2nd recession in 10 years our NHS is crippled our military is crippled and somehow noone gives a damn because brexit will fix all this like its a magical blue pill that will make britain hard again lol ah well im from northern ireland so we can always jump ship if Britain continues to sink
No Deal will be good for the EU in the medium to long run, because it will be the perfect lampshade of the benefits of the EU. It will be good for the UK in the very long run, because they will learn better than to listen to exceptionalists full of it.
Britain should walk away. The EU has acted in bad faith throughout this process. Revert to an ‘Australia’ type arrangement by all means but EU imports to the UK should be capped at 115% of UK exports on a country by country basis. This should be further reduced on a transition basis, ie 5yrs, to 100%. EU member states that have been abusive to Britain should be capped at 100% on day 1 - namely France, Spain and Ireland. The UK land bridge should be closed to vehicles from Republic of Ireland to reduce congestion on UK roads and also UK green house gas emissions. Remember - virtually everything the UK currently buys from the EU can be sourced from elsewhere The increased demand for goods and services from around the world should be used to increase UK exports beyond the EU
The problem is that (a little like all the promises made by Brexiteers) there is no official document we can point to as a list of “project fear” predictions. So we could have a rough time with no deal Brexit and some would claim they were right, while glossing over problems that failed to materialise (eg. Power failures, food shortages, a £5:$1 exchange rate, a recession that dwarfs the Great Depression, etc).
When I was a young lad in the 50s we used to eat lots of fish as it was so cheep! Every Sunday it was roat beef or lame. Then the common market come a long in the 70s and the prices went sky high. That was the end of our cheep fish and meat.
Are you sure? Because we still had rationing in the 50s. Meat rationing ended in 1954, to be precise. Fish was not rationed, but its cost increased steadily during the war and afterwards. Come on... are you actually British, and over 70?
It was always good in the past, so now you can go back to it .... btw Cheap is the word you were looking for .. perhaps you missed skool eetin too much cheep stuff ?
@@rollosinternet1853 Hi, Yes I'm 74 years have sex 3/4 times a week still playing music in my band. No I'm not British! I'm an Englishman true to the core. Kind regards, Englishman in Germany.
@@donrice8440 Too much information, but there you are, in Germany. Prices soared well before the UK became a member, let's be honest. So how much are actual Germans, not British immigrants, talking about Brexit there? Ah, no worries, soon everybody here will be joining you in not being British, this time for real. Hope you enjoyed your EU citizenship allowing you to live in the EU.
@@johnforbes8282 Is that seriously so important? Just respond to his comment for some dialogue, rather than falling into ridiculous ad hominem attacks. Every person using this cheap resort simply shows very little capacity of dialogue and proper argumentation of their views.
It would certainly be good for the EU... This way Britain have no one else to blame but themselves if things go south... although I’ve got a feeling that they’d still just blame the EU for all future problems even though they will have left... 🤔
If Brexit fails, it could be good for another for the EU: Other states in the EU would see how important the EU is for their economic success and could be deterred to act against EU interests
You drew the wrong border for trade. Should have been between Britain and Northern Ireland. You're kinda jumping the gun with the breaking of international law there!
- More fish, meaning you are overfishing. The common fishing policy is meant to stop overfishing of the north sea. If you have one country fishing to it's own set of rules the danger is that there is no fish left in the near future, because the UK would be highly incentivised to overfish. Besides this, you were right to point out that there is a tariff on the UK's biggest export market, the EU. But since you are ruled by a very stable genius who wants the lorries to wait for days at the border until the new red tape is done, you will have the following effect: not so fresh fish, for a higher price. Do you think this would help or hurt british fishing? Did you even think about this or are you just cheerleading nonsense now? - The trade deals are actually going to be worse, since the UK has a lower bargaining power than the EU combined. The EU Japan deal is already much better than the UK Japan deal. So you've just decreased your trading power, but also you've irked the most likely next president of the United States, Joe Biden, who said he doesn't want a trade deal with the UK as long as they don't listen to international law and uphold the Good friday agreement. You forgot to mention this somehow. - Productivity in the UK is low, but the real question is: who wants to produce in the UK? If you have companies moving out since they want to be in the common market, it doesn't really matter if you have low productivity. I would also like to point out that the EU workers are not going to be replaced by UK workers, like in agriculture and the NHS. That most certainly means even less productivity and failing services. In conclusion, your story is a delusion. Stop deluding yourself.
I think the focus on fishing is a bit of a red herring...
It odd that everybody forgets that overfishing is thing, which is a major reason the fisheries policy exists. It seems we're going to end up with lots of fish when we can't sell it and have barely any left when we can again.
@@ThomasstevenSlater yes a very interesting and so true point. I say that as a brexiteer too but it's a valid point.
On the EU side nobody talks or care about fishing. It's entirely a British issue. As soon as the UK accept the common market rules the EU will compromise on fishing.
Cod be interesting,,
Are you acting the cod?
The year is 2022. Britain has been out of the European Union for only 2 years and already it is flourishing. Within days of gaining its financial independence, Welsh and Scottish Nationalism died; the union has never been stronger. Ireland rejoined in a second act of union. The countries of the Commonwealth flocked to be taken back as crown dominions and colonies, begging for British rule once again. India declares Queen Elizabeth II Empress. Even the original 13 colonies of North America forgo their silly republic and swear loyalty to the Queen, who has been reborn as a gorgeous youthful Goddess with the power to restore Churchill to life. One pound is now worth over 200 dollars. France admits we were better all along. Angela Merkel ends herself as her plan to form the fourth Reich and displace the white populations of Europe is brought low. Rule Britannia the world cries out... Britannia rules the world...
Nigel Farage awakes; his brow wet and his plaid pyjamas slightly sticky...
I reckon that's exactly how it's gunna happen
That was a rollercoaster of emotions, my friend.
Thanks. I love the way your first sentences would have brought a proud blush to brexiters, red top readers and UKIP "enthusiasts".
And then . . . you lead into a Pythonesque scenario.
Bravo, old chap, bravo!
@Justin Time Nice, short reply. It reduces the suffering induced by your usual monologue!
Everything you said could possibly happen apart from "France admits Britain was better all along"! this is actually impossible!
The UK has lower productivity than every other EU state.
_"Maybe it's because of EU red tape."_
WHAT 😕⁉️
What an unbelievably stupid thing to say XD
Well, if you are the worst of a group, in can not be your own fault, right?
Of course, I forgot how much worse off we are than Bulgaria, or Romania, or Croatia and so on and so on.
Did you notice the brief mention of why it may be so? Let's not dive into that because that makes the EU look bad...
I joined a race and everyone involved followed the rules. No pushing shoving, everyone starts at the same time etc.
I came in last place. It's because of the rules. It's the race organisers fault
@@liyanheart6241 you mean that the reason for low productivity in the UK may be migration? Then why is the UK (which never entered Schengen) worse off than other EU states which also experience significant internal movements?
"Access to cheap European labour could be suppressing productivity".
Bring on no deal, I always wanted to see Brits picking their own fruits and building their own houses. How are you gonna run the country with no colonies and no EU workers to do the hard work?
There would still be tons of people migrating to the UK. They would simply set up work programs in south asia & the caribbean to have people do agricultural work & work in the nhs (they do this now)
@@Lando-kx6so I thought that one of the points of Brexit was stopping migrations, not swapping East Europeans for Caribbeans?!
@@joshuaalexander8866
And I doubt brexit changes this, UK couldve controlled its immigration outside of EU and it was never part of Schengen, but it didnt.
And slashing regulation wont boost innovation, it will just make it easier for companies to make profit from low wage workers.
I guess there's going be milllions from Hong Kong. They are used to work 60+ hours a week and do what ever their bosses told them to do. And the y need their jobs in order to get the visa/status to stay. Perfect match for brexit.
@@joshuaalexander8866
But they dont need to automate when they can just replace eastern europeans with commonwealth people instead.
The sad thing is that Brexit with a No Deal will not settle the matter. Brexiteers will always come up with an excuse as to why mana isn't falling from heaven.
Clearly covid-19 will magically get 3 times worse for the economy on January 1st 2021. No other reason for the economic downturn, no sir.
It will all be the fault of evil bullying EU. They are so mean and nasty that they will instate all the border checks and tariffs that are inevitably with a no deal and that’s why it will be bad. If they’d just let us trade with them in exactly the same way as we did before but with no obligations like any sensible person would then a no deal would be as big a success as all the Brexiters predicted :p
Do you think anyone in Europe will care? We already lost our interest in the UK and Brexit.
They will just continue to pretend that the EU is at fault for everything.
@@JFrombaugh Yeah it was all the EU negotiating at fault. Totally not the red lines the UK set out that contradicted what it wanted and literally made any unicorn deal impossible. The EU did its best to negotiate but the UK had certain lines in the sand which tied the hands of any negotiation. Just look at the presentation made like 4 years ago by the EU detailing the UK's red lines and how each level would compromise a core part of the EU like the common goods market and each step took them further away from any kind of relationship.
Blame this on an ill thought out Brexit campaign promising things that were not possible then demanding they be delivered.
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@@twilh “We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.”
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@@MercedesSL3 cos its true?
@@julianshepherd2038 Maybe I should read this guy...
I'm going to question that, the quote isn't possible a Mark Twain quote.
Q: Could "no deal" brexit be good for Britain?
A: No.
Could? Yes. Will? No!
A2: Yes.
Correct answer ..B. Yes
Imagine if the video was only 4 seconds long.
B: No way
C: Not in a 100 years
D: In Farage's dreams only
E: No, but it does not matter, because we are a "free" country.
F: No, but its the price to pay for "independence"
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Z: Yes, because I like to eat fish
TLDR of TLDR: no, of course f***ing not!!!
It could. I mean it's theoretically possible. It's possible I'll win the lotto too.... but I'll hold off quitting my job, just in case ;)
You know it never occurred to me that tldr was named after to long didn’t read....
Yes, of course.
Of course it will, There will be a pot of gold at the end of the negotiating rainbow, and the unicorns von der Leyen and Barnier guarding it will have been chased away.
I'll make a prediction... _productivity post-BRexit over 5 years will not increase in the UK._ In fact, I suspect it will fall further. The argument that "cheap labour" has mitigated investment and reduced productivity could easily be applied to, say, Germany where a lot of "cheap" labour migrated. During 2018, for example, the UK averaged 9.1 immigrants per 1000 inhabitants, Germany 10.8, Netherlands 11.3, Ireland 20.1 and so on. Yet _all_ these countries have a significantly higher productivity rate than the UK. It's far more likely that the UK labour policy of part-time low wage (Zero Hours Contracts etc.) work contributes more to low productivity. When Henry Ford increased his workers wages to twice the then minimum wage, productivity improved noticeably. As Ford put it, "That wage increase was the best cost cutting exercise I ever made".
I agree. Immigration is just a distraction for UKs disastrous politics. Not to mention that the EU immigration is already replaces by non EU immigration, with the advantage that non EU employers are not protected by EU rights and can be exploited more easily.
@@neodym5809 Brexit II: Exit the Planet! On cinema next summer!
Productivity in the UK certainly wont increase under no deal. Zero-hour, service based, economy asides, the UK simply doesn't invest in anything with the potential for long term growth - a decade of austerity and political instability has screwed us for another 10 years at least.
I would be interested to know where your 2018 comparative immigration figures come from... 🤔
Part of the problem is the overly-generous welfare in the UK. A friend of mine is a secretary and she makes more money when she's unemployed than when she works. Bad incentive.
“He knows nothing; and he thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.”
― George Bernard Shaw
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-- Isaac Asimov
The Brexit colouring book will make good Christmas presents for my family members.
@@nathanaelsmith3553 I might need get some of those, too, before I have to pay tariffs on them. I think one of those would be an excellent present for my coworker with whom I have spent numerous lunches laughing about BoJo and his circus crew. The past few years have been a great time for being a cynic.
While we are on quotations, how about "Democracy is acknowledged folly" (Alkibiades. He did what the Athenian assembly ordered him to do in Sicily and elsewhere , but later got kicked out by ostracism. He died in Sparta stabbed in the back while making love to a slave girl(or a member of the ruling family).
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To be fair, he died because he couldn't stop boning people's wives which isn't really the fault of Democracy.
It is crazy how people still think this is going to be a bad thing for the EU.The EU has 27 countries. I think that when the UK leaves they are just going to shop in other EU countries.
The eu already took the brexit hit over the past 4 years and changed their supply chain.
If anything it would be a lot easier to agree on policies without Britain's tantrums.
This idea hasn’t occurred to any Brexiter, yet it’s so simple and true
The EU doesn't need the money the UK spends in the EU?
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 whos replaced UK as their buyers?
40% unemployment will be great for "entrepreneurs" running sweatshops.
Switzerland did a vote if they wanted to leave the EU while not even being in the union. Remain won by a land slide 😂👍
They are in but dont get a say.
It's what they want
Switzerland are not EU members.
@@Nickle314 Correct, but are in the SM, pay for that, and accept freedom of movement.
Well what the vote was actually about was whether to limit immigration from citizens of EU member states or not. The bigger issue behind it would have been that had the motion passed it wouldn't have been possible to simply make this individual change to the Swiss-EU treaty. Just like with the UK and the WA, the Swiss treaty is also a broad agreement which from the EU's perspective is either all or nothing. Had the Swiss voted in agreement of this limitation and their politicians acted on it, the process would have triggered Brexit-like chaos regarding future business and political relationships between Switzerland and EU member states.
@@chardonnay5767 and the Swiss, knowing a thing or two about referendums, would have explained this clearly so that their voters could make an informed decision. Very similar to the UK brexit vote. Haha just kidding.
More fish isn't a very strong argument I think. Increase fishing capacity by 200-300% for two years and the fish populations will suffer massively, resulting in the upscaled fleet being a wasted investment if there's hardly any fish left to catch. UK fishing waters will be rapidly depleted of fish then, after 2 years of seeing a 0.1% GDP increase. After that, fishing yields and revenue will decrease fast and fishermen will beg to fish in EU waters again.
The UK is still "Bound by international law"?
Someone ought to tell Johnson & Cummings that.
So the EU. International law they signed up to said no bailouts. They then bailed out Greece.
Care to explain that?
Nickle completely different situations considering that greece was literally going to fail and the bail out wasn’t applied out of pettiness from a government. But also if you really think so I thought the uk was better, ir was calling itself better, than the eu.... so far they are not that different huh?
Georg well it is I mean no international rule was broken before greece was nearly going to fail it wouldn’t even makes sense. It’s the motivations behind it that are completely different and it’s obvious that the uk broke it because they have a government incapable of deciding what to do. Im not obviously saying that one was better than the other breaking international laws I don’t think it’s ever good...
@@Nickle314
Hmm odd.
I remember some brexiteers saying how it was UK that bailed Greece out.
How its always UK bailing others out.
@Georg and the UK is no longer a member... no help there.
Brexit being a good deal is just wishful thinking. Next year will prove this correct.
But it was supposed to be the easiest deal in deal history since history began and people did deals. It was that easy.
Firstly, I'm a remainer and regardless of my next statrement, I still believe tht remaining would be a better solution. But there's one situation that could present itself next year where a clean break from the EU may good thing. We're only just seeing the start of the recession, jobs schemes have artificially kept certain markets afloat until now. There is a very real possibility that as these schemes end, unemployment rises sharply, and the recession kicks in fully that there's going to be some major corporate issues, sectors such as German auto manufacturing could quite easily fold entirely for example. If this happens there's also a very good chance that various European banks, such as Deutsche Bank could also struggle and fold - just look at their performance over he last 10 years. If German banks start wobbling then the entire European monetary experiment is under massive stress and the shitdhow really begins, and in which case GB could be better off away from that situation altogether as the richer nations will be lumbered with bailing out the poorer nations for decades - look at how the Dutch argued that very same point in the last European rescue deal.
@@justinbennitt835 The FTA agreement with Japan?
@Valentin Condeescu You will be happy to see us and our money gone from Union then, win win
@@AndyNicholson Exactly, the writing was on the wall, we helped bail our the PIGS nations last time (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain). If you don't have the democratic will of the people then you have nothing, they tried to avoid too many referendums like changing failed Constitutions into Treaties. Being in the EU meant our low skilled labour market was flooded, not having such a flood will put us in better stead for the future. Not having our hands tied for the EUs state aid rules will put us in a better stead for any future financial turmoil too. They tried to piggyback their political ideology of the free movement of people onto the back of the widely accepted free movement of goods and services, that was their downfall.
It shouldn’t take a disastrous no deal transition for these world leaders to figure out it’s a bad idea
Yeah but leadership tends to be spiteful and emotional on such topics. So "if it's bad for me but worse for you, I still come out on top" is the mentality that leads, rather than "let's make it as best for both of us as possible".
@Alfa&Omega 00000 Giving the EU too much credit there. Everyone wants what's "worst" for the other. They're no better than the UK at this. Except they right now believe that the deal they want the UK to agree to will hurt the UK more than a no-deal, which is why they don't push no-deal.
The British government is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
They promised to their voters all the benefits of the common market (and more) without any of the responsibilities.
Now that the EU doesn't give them such an unrealistic deal, they don't want to be seen as betraying campaign promises but they also don't want to leave without a deal because it will cost billions.
It will end up with the UK accepting at the very last minute the deal that the EU offers, because money counts more than voters in British politics.
@Alfa&Omega 00000 EU wants the best possible deal for itself, i.e. something that doesn't hurt the EU, only UK. This means EU comes in on top.
UK wants something where the UK comes in on top. They believe a no-deal is exactly that, i.e. it will hurt both EU and UK but "hopefully" (for the UK) it hurts the EU more.
EU believes a no-deal would hurt UK more than it would hurt EU, but also that they have more advantage to gain over the UK by forcing their deal. So they push that instead.
If EU believed that a no-deal would give more advantage over the UK than their deal does, they would also push for no-deal.
It's all about who believes what and how certain they are of their predictions, but rest assured that the political desire to gain over the other is still there just the same.
@Alfa&Omega 00000 There are no adversarial politics where one side "wants a good deal for both". The EU wants to hurt the UK as much as possible without hurting themselves too much in the process. They feel the need to make an example out of the UK for daring to leave. Yes, the UK made a huge economic blunder with brexit in the first place, but I'm trying to dispel this "good guy" view you have about the EU.
There are no good guys here. Everyone is just looking to hurt the other while staying ahead with the best use of their political tools as they see fit.
When the DUP is encouraging Northern Irish protestants to get Republic of Ireland Passports... you know something has gone off with Brexit.
Brexit is not about economics - it’s about ideology, at the cost of economy. The likelihood of the 3 upsides mentioned is low. But Brexitists will say that people need to believe more
Hmmm, that's right and it's also the problem. Faith and Patriotism is nice, but British citizens could have been also patriots as EU members because Great Britain was sovereign within the EU too. The standards that the EU has set for all countries in the community only marginally affected the sovereignty of a country's domestic policy. Not to mention the fact that the UK supported all EU decisions. Accusing the EU of dictatorship is utter nonsense. Nothing happens in the EU without a democratc consent of all countries. However, I am shocked to see that many people in the UK have turned from patriots to nationalists. By the way, nationalism cannot be eaten if the economy collapses because of it and many people's refrigerator will be empty. I also see that Brexit fans are not exactly the intelligent elite and their Jobs will be the first to be hit by economic reality.
@@folkestender2025 Thoughts on the UK low skilled labour market being flooded in 2004 by the A8/A10 ascending and only the UK, Ireland and Sweden allowing their citizens to mirate here? Where was the EU solidarity then? Anyway we don't trust our own politicans here in the UK, we had to leave the EU so the book stops at them and they can stop blaming the EU as their scape goat. Its about Devolution of power away from a central authority because in that system they are less acountable to the people they work for (us).
Not everyone votes with their pocket and thats apsolutely fine... prioritising things like autonomy and self governance first isn't such a bad thing in reality. This is democracy, the people know whats best for them.
@@andrewtowell6074 Do people really know what's best for them, or have they been influenced by propaganda? Today people all over the world mean "all" Germans in 1933 were Nazis. Perhaps, after the humiliation by the Versailles Treaty and the Great Depression and the chaos in the Weimar Republic, the Germans only knew what was best for them ... That people always know what is best for them does not have to mean it's really the best ... ;-)
@@folkestender2025 If people dont know what is best for them, who does know whats best for them? If you don't know whats best for you, who does? As an example, does your father know whats best for yoy or do you as an adult know whats best for you? Think about it... its the only option, everyone gets one vote on what they think is best for them selves and we go with the democratic majority...
Worlds 5th largest economy - somehow I think we will cope. Sometimes you have to take a few steps back to go forwards. Yes there will be short term chaos and economic hit, but no doubt in the longer term the UK will fly.
The UK is a service sector economy, it makes up 80% of GDP and the UK enjoys a commanding trade surplus.
Forget fish, ignore the lorries; total distraction. Think IT providers, architects, accountants, universities and banks. What will happen there?
Nothing good.
Bad deal for fish and one of the three unionist strongholds falls in Scotland. Others are farming and public school arseholes.
Nearest suitable site for Trident is France or the USA.
You can't eat services. The Lorry's are pretty relevent particularly for imports. The fact remains that the EU is geographically next door. Therefore the UK needs the EU to buy and sell goods to.
Sending a shipping container across the world for 2 weeks to Japan isn't the same as shipping them to France. It's slow and expensive which is not conducive to low prices for consumers
UK enjoys a commanding trade surplus. = No we have a trade deficit.
On services, they are location free. No borders apply
@@aightm8 My point was about the economy. The UK ignoring the service sector is like Saudi Arabia ignoring oil sector. Granted, all countries need food and supplies, but it isn't the basis of the economy that pays for these things.
Nickle that is not true. For example USA relies on the City to access EU financial services, as the UK got that when traded fishing rights. In a no deal the EU would block parts or all of it. They have already started organise for this eventuality, with multiple cities.
The UK government just showed the whole world that IT IS NOT bound by international law and treaties though. WHo will want to make deals with UK if they just willfully break said deals anyway?
who wants to make deals with them outside of pity anyway?
Well, lots of people make deals with the USA, and they routinely break or ignore those deals, so I suspect countries are quite willing to make a deal anyway. That said, the USA is a much bigger market than the UK, so that may be a bigger factor than their likelihood of keeping their word.
@Josh Bentley Some fresh whataboutism. Cool.
It's crazy how it got normalised with time ..
Did you ever hear the story about the boiling frog? That's how political demagogues work.
QemeH while your point’s still correct if I remember rightly they lobotomised the frogs before doing the whole ‘frog in boiling water thing’. Don’t know whether that adds to your analogy or just makes it more depresssing
Manufacturing consent
@@toyotaprius79 👌
It worked very well for the National Socialist Workers Party.
Well, I think we are all in agreement that Brexiteers need to step up and start eating more fish. Come on, step up, do it for Britain!
@foxbat51 I'm not a Brexiteer but I do love mackerel so this is a promising development!
Most Brexit fans don't know that most of the fish they eat is imported from around the world, bought through EU trade agreements. The fine white fish caught in UK waters would not even be enough to meet UK needs. First and foremost, it is herrings that are caught there. Every year the EU countries (including the UK so far) import around 8.8 million tons of marine fish. The largest amount of white fish comes from China: around 600,000 tons. Vietnam is in second place among importers with 500,000 tons per year. In third and fourth place are Norway and the USA with 400,000 tons each. Iceland makes it to fifth place and exports 300,000 tons of white fish to the European Union every year. In sixth place is Russia with 250,000 tons and lastly the Faroe Islands with 70,000 tons. Only 11% of the fine white fish comes from trawlers from the European Union (including the UK). I don't know why Brexiteers still believe this idiotic fish fairy tale, that the EU will perish without British fish. The UK will also suffer from a shortage of fine white fish if it loses all EU international trade agreements on January 1, 2021. An alternative to the popular fish & chips would be to eat herrings & chips in the future. ;-)
@@folkestender2025 Why will there be a shortage because of a tariffs from trading on WTO? Are you creating strawman arguements?
@@crose7412 Plenty of Northerners eat Mackerel, but these videos are made by Londoners
@@andrewtowell6074 No, I'm just showing that some of the fish consumed in the UK is non-UK. If the UK continues to want it, it will be time to have its own supply chain with contracts, because from January 1st 2020 it will no longer be possible for the UK, to buy fish under EU trade agreements.
No deal, just for the sake to find out who’s right.
That’d be great if not for the incredible hardship it would bring if all goes bad.
It'll would probably a while still to find out
I've told my family back home to grab a second hand dinghy, head across the Channel and ask for asylum in France...
Riccardo Giacomelli
Lo so però detto tra di noi se la sono cercata e meritano di essere puniti. L’arroganza porta sempre al autodistruzione.
@@riccagiaco tariffs... is it really going to be that bad?
@tldr, I appreciate your forever support for your government, although I have absolutely no idea why, but Cliff-Edge Brexit will leave the EU without the UKS financial sector, yes? As that is mainly what the UK offers. All a No Deal does is open up the market for another country to fill the gap and create a London 2.0. Meanwhile, the UK will loose how much trade? Will be paying how much more for goods? Waiting how much longer to import? Cost how much to sort out their ports on a forever daily basis?
I think the main issue is losing attraction of single market membership for foreign investment - Honda etc, and when you lose those factories you also damage other local firms that service them.
And reversing the flight of firms like this would be impossible as things got worse. How many other countries could honestly do as good a job or better at hosting Honda manufacturing? I’m guessing enough to where they wouldn’t have to ever go back
Surely other nations are going to want FTAs with lower tariffs for their car industries, especially if we have EU trading on WTO tariffs
@@andrewtowell6074 But No Deal means the UK will be trading on WTO tariffs... so, why would a car manufacturer want to pay more to use the UK as a base?
So why are hundreds of European firms setting up an office in UK for the first time ?
I'll have you know the UK is THE most productive Country on Earth, and I'll prove it to you, right after I've had this cup of tea and a digestive.
Could a No Deal Brexit Be Good for Britain? No.
Was it all Project Fear? No.
Could a No Deal Brexit Be Good for Britain? Yes.
Was it all Project Fear? Yes.
@@krispy529 A major promise of the Leave campaign was that the UK would not leave the Single Market, and would have a comprehensive deal with the EU. Leaver claims to the contrary were dismissed as Project Fear.
You obviously support, and are looking forward to, a no-deal Brexit.
So your position is apparently that
i) A no-deal Brexit is coming.
ii) The claim that there might be a no-deal Brexit was Project Fear.
Note that you can't resolve this paradox by saying that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain.
The Leave campaign didn't claim that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain. They claimed that a no-deal Brexit would not happen--indeed that no one was even contemplating one, and that claims to the contrary were Project Fear.
@@alanparlane5498 Again:
A major promise of the Leave campaign was that the UK would not leave the Single Market, and would have a comprehensive deal with the EU. Leaver claims to the contrary were dismissed as Project Fear.
You obviously support, and are looking forward to, a no-deal Brexit.
So your position is apparently that
i) A no-deal Brexit is coming.
ii) The claim that there might be a no-deal Brexit was Project Fear.
Note that you can't resolve this paradox by saying that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain.
The Leave campaign didn't claim that a no-deal Brexit would be good for Britain. They claimed that a no-deal Brexit would not happen--indeed that no one was even contemplating one, and that claims to the contrary were Project Fear.
@@alanparlane5498 logic not your strong suit.
If people think being under EU law is bad, just wait till they see what it's like to be under WTO law. At least in the EU, the UK had some influence being a very large market, under WTO they will be competing for influence against China, the US, the EU, Russia, India... Most countries get practically no say in there
The WTO is not going to stop the importation of goods into the UK. What is the problem?
Doesn't matter, if that happens, some sort of Commonwealth Union will occur. Australia loves us, America loves us, India can't afford to be out of touch with the UK or America through alienating the UK, because they are in conflict with China and won't alienate China's enemies they will join a Commonwealth Union as well.
We'll be fine.
@@ezrathehuman4148 Dream on
@@av8973 We'll see, won't we. I reckon things will be tense for a while, but in the long-term, we'll benefit profoundly from having our freedoms to choose what's best for us.
You guys keep quivering in yer boots about losing a few quid, the rest of us will be living a free and independent life, thank you very much.
@@ezrathehuman4148 please give me the number of your dealer. I want in on whatever you're having.
I guess we'll need to get used to mackerel and chips, or pickled herring and chips...because that's what we catch the most of...by far. Might as well reforest the Welsh hills and tarmac over the N. York moors too...because sheep farming is out of the window; along with much of the rest of UK farming.
You'll need to increase potato growing, for all those chips.
Who the frick cares about the rich ass farmers? They own land I think they will be alright. Id prefer it if EVERYONE got cheaper food and clothes from better non tariff trade deals with other countries rather than protect some land owners wages. Let's help out the poor that spend most of their money on food and clothes rather than protect the rich for once. Gdp isn't the only thing that matters..
I too would prefer it if magic fairy country of plenty would give us cheaper food and clothes. Why has no one thought of going to magic fairy country of plenty before? It seems the obvious answer now that you've suggested it. Yes. One of those 'cheaper' trade deals, please, big wide world.
@@cormactaylor9539 You need to get your story straight. If farmers don't matter, then the agricultural workers they employ don't matter...and neither do the fishermen, working for those "rich ass" trawler owners.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, anyone dumb enough to have voted for this mess can survive by diving in skips or queuing up at the food bank. Free food ought to be cheap enough for anyone...assuming there's enough going spare to donate.
@@DivingDog0 I know can you imagine living outside the EU, everyone else is dieing on their knees but the Europeans.... 🙄
The uk has one of the worst productivity in the EU, so it must be the EUs fault. That seems absolutely logical.
Personally, I expect Brexit to be a complete mess that reduces the UK's influence in the world for a long time. The EU's proximity makes them the best candidate for a major trading partner, and the massive difference in economy size will allow the EU to basically dictate terms. Which will be worse than what the UK had as an EU member, because of that vast difference in market power and that little detail where giving a better deal to a non-member than to the members is simply not going to fly with the member-states.
Also where fishing is concerned you have to consider whether fishing more is even feasible. Take too much and fish stocks will crash.
The EU has, as you said, dictated. The UK has said no. Hasn't worked for the EU has it.
@@Nickle314 Wrong. The UK signed up to a level playing field in the withdrawal agreement's political declaration.
The EU simply insist on the UK sticking to its promises. This is the _only_ basis for further discussions. Otherwise the UK will get exactly nothing.
@@babelhuber3449 The UK signed up to a level playing field in the withdrawal agreement's political declaration.
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No it didn't. If you were right, then the EU wouldn't be demanding level playing field. They are, you are wrong
Remember, no FTA, means no WA. Neither side can cherry pick.
@@Nickle314 Riddle me this, Batman! What percentage of the UK's total trade goes to the EU, and what percentage of the EU's goes to the UK? That will tell you who can wait who out.
@@Nickle314 The WA is an independent contract on its own. It doesn't rely on an FTA.
Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it true. If the UK breaks the WA it will be in for nasty times!
This is a very strange analysis. Over 50% of exports go to the EU. The EU has other sources of getting whatever it gets from the EU including masses of EU suppliers and trade deals with most of the world. The UK, not so much!!
Yep... The EU has already covered the loss and only loses one small market. The UK so far has only confirmed less than 13% of the trade it had before.. the rest, WTO, for all those who had no idea of what that actually means.
A good analysis is almost impossible to make. There are just too many variables.
Now the only thing that is sure, is that frictionless trade will be gone. That in itself is already a huge burden.
But all other things are still in the balance... Even some deal, albeit probably not a comprehensive FTA, is still possible.
@Harm Vullings One of the variables being that in order to claim "made in the EU", EU manufacturers in some cases may have to substitute UK suppliers with EU suppliers to honour the rules of origin.
@@lvoldum And as I live in China, although it has adopted the UK Kite marks as a standard, they prefer the EU rules of origin and food safety.
@@lvoldum It'll all be ok. European companies can replace their UK suppliers with European suppliers. UK companies can do the same thing the other way around. I am already going through my supplier list and have informed my British suppliers I will not need them anymore from 2021 onwards.
It’s inevitable now that Scotland will leave the United Kingdom, we never asked for all of this and were promised in 2014 it wouldn’t happen
If Scotland leaves the UK to join the EU, there will be border checks and customs fees between Scotland and England. Are you willing to accept them?
Chilapa of the Amazons nations all over the world trade with other nations with borders in place...
@@jackrussell3755 it's true that borders are common elsewhere, but Scotland (and Europe in general) had the privilege of open borders for a long time and I wonder if Scottish people are willing to accept an hard border with England.
That's the implication of leaving the UK and joining the EU. Hard border with England and switching from £ to €.
Chilapa of the Amazons considering independence is polling consistently over 55%, Scottish people are tired of being part of a Uk where our votes don’t matter, we are consistently being dictated to from a government we don’t vote for, we’re tired of your lies and scaremongering, there are independent nations the world over who have less than what Scotland have if they can do it why can’t we?. Also we have announced we would introduce a Scottish currency we wouldn’t keep the pound that’s been known for a while now. Many nations in the EU don’t use the Euro so that points invalid
Chilapa of the Amazons and it’s England that are putting up borders not Scotland, England are the ones who voted for this and are pushing for a hard brexit which will put borders up this isn’t Scotlands doing
But you forget the UK imports fish from the EU, so the fish the UK fishermen catch will just stay in the UK lol
I don't think the EU will come with concessions, their position has been consistent and clear to all trade partners for almost 3 decades.
I love our British neighbor's, but I am starting to question the mental health of their politicians. How ignorant can you be to give a former journalist all power
@Justin Time Already 4 long years of begging in Brussels for the same unrealistic concessions, doesn't it hurt? Boris should just present that oven-ready deal and were are done.
@Justin Time So, why are you still speculating on concessions, if you want a no-deal? All demanded concessions would not be implemented in a deal anyway, if there is no deal. It would not matter and all negotiations would just be wasted time and a lot of uncertainty for UK businesses, which still are not knowing what to expect and how to invest, could have been saved. And all those investors putting their money elsewhere.... And the UK even asked for an extension for further negotiations, one extra year of uncertainty for UK businesses. And the whole world is watching how Boris made a clown of himself, one extra year of begging for the exact the same unicorn, failing again and again.
Trade deals with other countries, such as Australia, Japan, Canada, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea would cause manufacturing industry to diversify and innovate thereby boosting GDP.
There are a vast number of people who believe that with WTO no deal you can’t set different tariffs for different countries, they believe falsely that we can set a high tariff for the EU and a low tariff for other countries, they simply don’t understand this is not allowed under WTO rules, as soon as this misconception is broken they will come to realise what a terrible position no deal puts the country in.
So when China, most of Asia, most of the Middle East, the EU and the US break those rules, why would the UK not be allowed to do this?
So the UK is obliged to set low tariffs for imports from all other countries. Bring it on.
Or they will jump on some other rationalisation and refuse to admit they've been conned/made a mistake.
@@LoserZalbo Much depends on what the UK government does. Talking about policies being "good for a country" is misleading. Good for some, terrible for others. EEC membership was only ever good for farmers, bureaucrats, and people in some financial services sectors and property/iandowners in London and the South East. Working people in the North found their livelihoods vanishing even faster, and they were never replaced. At the same time food prices soared due to the CAP and the loss of traditional suppliers.
The EU is only good for certain classes of people in certain places.
@@kreight_ Protectionism is very bad indeed for local industry and local people. Local industry can get away with palming off over-priced junk to its captive market. Protected from competition, it gets more and more inefficient. It was the ruin of Argentina, but that country is only one of many.
If imports are bad for a country, then remote islands such as St Helena, and countries subject to sanctions, such as North Korea, should be the most prosperous in the world. During the war, the enemy used submarines and warships to prevent goods from getting into the country. If protection was a good thing, then the attempt at a blockade would have been an advantage.
Actually the EU has already announced that in the event of a no deal no food items will be allowed to be imported into the EU from the UK. That includes banning fish being imported into the EU from the UK. So tariffs on fish are irrelevant.
The EU won't budge. It hasn't changed its position for the last 4 years. It'll still be take it or leave it, except that the UK will be desperate. So no need to hurry for the EU...
The EU needs the UK more than the other way around. The UK simply needs to declare it now has sovereignty over the EU rules instituted over the last half century. However, the EU is going broke, without a prime funding source this will only accelerate.
@@GuruEvi LOL! So you haven't learned anything in the last 4 years?
Sorry, I forgot that brexit has degraded into a religion meanwhile, this is one of your dogmas 🤦
Enjoy as long as you can!
@Tea N Biscuits I bet you won't return after you have seen the negative effects of this madness - but hey, I can be wrong 😜
@@GuruEvi will see who needs one more......in a few weeks........and who will cry the loudest?
@smile 2192 Please go see a doctor, you are hallucinating
Let's go for it no deal we can do it we have the muscle we can create economical value increase production and take care of our people we can do it.👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
I think that there have always been too many "might's" and "maybes" when it comes to talking about the benefits of leaving the EU compared to the substantial known benefits and security of being in the EU.
How anyone could ever have believed that turning our back on our closest economic, political, and geographic partner was a good idea will always baffle me.
Especially since a lot of those maybes rely on the EU shooting itself in the foot in order to please the UK. Won't happen. What a lot of people don't understand is that negotiation between member states and negotiations between the EU and others are two different things. Yes, those last minute agreements happen, but ONLY between the member states. When it comes to others, the EU simply doesn't budge.
@Elliot Roger fan account 1. Nobody forced you. Membership in the EU isn't just volountary, it is something one has to fight for. In the UK's case, well, you were rejected the first time around.
2. A lot of organisations have an anthem and a flag. If you are afraid of that, better don't get to close to any football game out there.
3. Still no EU army. But even if there were, why are you afraid of an army you are part of?
4. The EU is not the UK. Canon boat diplomay was common for the empire, not for the EU.
5. We are not the ones who repeat nonsense without a second thought. Honestly, your whole post was basically Brexiter Bingo.
@Elliot Roger fan account
1. Read the f... Preamble of the Coal and Steel union. This was always a political union whose goals were clearly stated from day one.
2. Nor does the EU. The EU just tells you, which seat you get for which kind of money in their Stadium. Just like your football team. Plus, a flag and an anathem is just that, a flag and an anathem. If you are okay with a football team having one, you shouldn't have a problem with the EU having both.
3. So what? Everyone can make proposals. Every member state and MEP can devide how to react to one. Not sure what your objects there is.
4. Why isn't the EU giving the UK a Canada style agreement? Well, for one, look at a f... globus and not where Canada is lokated as opposed to where the UK is lokated. In addition, despite the UK politiicans labelling it that way, that is not what they actually want. That's what the whole "plus" are about. Fishing agreements btw predate the EU and naturally disagreements have to be cleared up in an international court. Plus, YOU were the one who sold your fishing quotas. Most EU countries outright forbit the sale of fishing quotas. And you do realise that a lot of what the UK wants to claim as "British territory" is also Irish territory? And that your fisherman are known for fishing in french waters during the time when France's own fishermen aren't allowed to, in order to protect the stocks? And nobody holds Northern Ireland hostage...it was the UK which tried to claim that island, it was the UK which insisted to maintain control over a tiny portion of it, it was the UK who negotiated the good friday agreement and is the UK which is about to break it. The EU has practically bend over backwards to protect it.
5. Lol, that's your angle? What is nonsense is pretty much everything you wrote. Nice attempts to rewrite history. What actually happened, btw, was that Ireland had a vote, the proposal failed, it was asked what the problem was, the concerns were adressed, and then the vote got through. Another word for a process like this is democracy, btw.
And btw, I did bother to read the preamble of the Coal and Steel union. Did you? It's easily availalbe.
Our seas need a break from over fishing. Meanwhile we all need to learn how to cook fish properly.
Fun fact, Herring and Mackrell are kitchen staples in Poland, along with Carp for Christmas.
Naprawdę!
Mackerel is lovely, British diners are often snobs but with very little knowledge of food.... (fun Head Chef fact ;) )
My girlfriend eats a lot of Mackerel, its one of the main fish in the supermarkets!?
Andrew Towell you think? Maybe it’s where you live, it’s all salmon and smoked haddock round here. Maybe the smoked stuff. But on a restaurant menu, it doesn’t sell hence you don’t see it much...... well played to your girlfriend though
James Hansing yeah, it’s interesting. Been thinking about it recently. In Poland for example it’s normal to see Halibut on the menu at a sea side frier, something that raises eyebrows if you ask for at your local UK chippy, it’s only Cod or Haddock in most places ... or Halloumi recently :) type in “koreczki śledziowe” into google images, we get creative with Herring, it’s a national thing.
"Could giving myself an enema with acid help my piles?"
Probably get a lot of like on you tube
Do plan on filming that and put it on RUclips?
I pack my ass with sudocream every night before bed. Works wonders on my hemorrhoids
I've yet to be given any concrete evidence that Brexit is a good think with any benefits. I keep trying to ask a Brexiteer what they are but it's so so hard to find someone who will now admit that they voted for Brexit 😔
I know someone who said something about how fishing waters are bigger now and we have more control of our sea waters but that’s all they had. But they clearly need to watch this video 😅
Your not looking very hard if you can't find anyone who voted for brexit
@@veterankarlos5723 Most who did won't admit to it, OP says.
@@TheYahmez hello right here were not in hiding or anything
Okay please tell us the benefits of Brexit?? Not trying to ridicule you I generally want to know what is the economic advantage. Like how are people who work pay check to pay check going to benefit, people like me btw?
Wishful thinking.
But time will tell and likely at the expense of UK tax payers.
All of this talk over fishing will be for nought when Scotland leaves the UK and takes 55% of the UK EEZ and 53% of the British fishing industry with it.
Scotland will never leave the uk, the scots benefit financially from being part of the union, otherwise they're just the 51st state. Scotland really are a bit of land that broke off of America & smashed into us. England & Scotland rock plates are different types and smashed together ours was from Europe & theirs was from north America.
@@johnforbes8282 More people in Scotland voted to be part of the EU than part of the UK. It's only a matter of time.
@@anpratadraiochtuil5293 Well that's true but as he said Scotland get a lot of aid from the UK they would have to give that up and then go and rejoin the EU and meet whatever conditions the EU would want to make them a member
@@veterankarlos5723 and use the crap euro
Enjoy using the Euro currency in your Independent Scotland and I cant wait to sing "build the wall" lol
Persisting Free-Trade between the UK and the EU27 Vassals would be preferable, but if this doesn't happen (which it will, take it to the bank) then the UK would still be in a far better situation than it was an a European Union member.
I’m new to this channel. You only talk about economics. You don’t say anything about how if we increase fishing we could over fish our waters and then destroy the biodiversity in our waters
The amount of fish isn't being decided, its who owns the right to fish and sell the rights to catch them.
Indeed, people keep forgetting that.
julian shepherd yes it is. Without EU regulation on fishing, UK fishermen/women could fish unregulated unless the UK government step in.
I can't help but feel like it's a bit irresponsible to entertain the notion that a no-deal "could" end up being good for the economy, even though you emphasize that most economists say that it won't. I think it just gives Brexiters license to live in their fantasy land and spout more bullshit.
I actually giggled when you mention the lack of UK's population to eat the fish. This is beautifully ironic.
4:19 are you kidding me? Are you just kidding me right now?
They've been blocking the negotiation for the past four years over fish and THEY DON'T EVEN LIKE IT?
I think your attempts to be seen as completely fair and unbiased are taking you away from pushing fact based conclusions as much as you should regarding the damage Brexit is and will cause the UK.
Still, thanks for posting.
I mean, depends on what is meant by Britain, I'm sure Brexit will be great if you're a millionaire or billionaire, but less so for the average people, and small independent businesses.
"Could a No Deal Brexit Be Good for Britain?"
As an Irish man, I find it fascinating that the question assumes that Northern Ireland is already written off as part of the UK...
The answer to the question, whether it refers to the UK or a post-UK Britain, is simply a loud, even deafening, "No!"
As in; What part of "There is no way that the UK would ever be better off, no matter which version of Brixit is actually committed!" do you fail to comprehend?
Next question, please?
will the eu be better off , most probably the same answer
@@mrsthelens1
The EU is an economy about NINE times larger than the UK's.
The UK accounts for barely 7% of EU exports. The UK market for most EU member states is either marginal or nonexistent. Even for Ireland, likely to be the most affected by Brixit, the UK market in July was just over 7% of our total exports...
Meanwhile, the EU takes about 45% of the UK's exports.
Of course the EU will be diminished by Brixit, but the relative impact will be small, and easily dealt with.
The UK, on the other hand, is going to be devastated...
"United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
NI is part of the UK, clue in title
@@louieschneider8937
However, back in geographical reality, NI is NOT part of Britain...
@@gloin10 you're right, its a depressing little rock off of the coast. However it is part if the UK.
Could chopping off my left hand be good for me? Without a left hand, I would be free to acquire a robot hand, which would be an amazing benefit. Of course, some people (Debby Downers) would argue that keeping your boring old fleshy hand is better than a potentially amazing robot hand.
I am still waiting someone to explain me this: if no deal and WTO rules are so great, why is the UK looking so desperately to sign trade deals with Australia, Japan...?
WTO is terrible. So terrible that everyone seeks to escape it if possible.
The real question, is why didn't the EU try harder to get those deals that the UK so desperately wanted all along? The Japan deal only finally happened because of Brexit, to ensure it could be rolled over post brexit.
@@megaangelic Because the UK wants things which give bussiness more freedoms on the costs of consumers, safety and sustainability.
The real issue is that the goals of the Tories and the goals of the EU are incompatible. One only wants to get wealthier, the other wants to live a decent life.
The UK-Japan deal is already showing this. Deregulation in the FinTech sector and financal transactions to and in offshore accounts and in the area of data security of customers (local data storage).
The UK can have it. After the next banking bailout, more targeted and aggressive advertisement, data leaks and election manipulation people might think otherwise.
As for the first thing, nope, Brexit had nothing to do, because the deal took years to be finished.
As for the rest, the EU had close deals with Vietnam, African, Caribbean and South American organizations, Switzerland… You know what's the trick? It takes YEARS to close that kind of deals, It was Bo-Jo who said it was the easiest deal in history, oven-ready...
I like how you've clearly aimed this for the people who already believe it will be a good thing and tried to both sides it to get passed the cognative dissonance. Pretty smart TLDR.
So, that last point was, in the event of a no-deal, we get to say "I told you so". Small comfort indeed.
Those 4 words might be among the most expensive in history.
I've honestly never seen a channel that so perfectly encapsulates the problem with forcing a balanced perspective.
While tl:dr admit that the possibility of a no Deal being good is a minority veiw, they spend most of the video talking that perspective, making it feel very reasonable. Especially given they've isolated this question from the existing economic damage caused by Brexit to the UK, and the demonstrable level of dishonesty and incompressible from the current British government.
Who would have thought Brexit meant everyone was going to have to eat lots of more fish.
What? Brits having to eat their own fish? That's like Boris having to eat his own... So, be careful of what you wish or fish for, you may get it.
It's the live prawns and shellfish that dont keep. We will have to eat that and find someone to buy our fish but I dont see anyone paying as much as Europe
the 2021 british economy, fishing, fish restaurants, and strip clubs
Why dont you acknowledge the threat to peace in Ireland and The Good Friday Agreement that is the centre of No-Deal
Eeven IF Nodeal was good for the UK.... We'd still F' it up one way or another.
Wtf?? Why would U.K productivity suddenly increase after Brexit? Wishful thinking?
because they hold them back
This is still going on?
Right? I feel like it should have ended years ago.
Yes this show got old a while ago, they are really trying to milk the content out of this with the latest season, at least it seems we will finally get a series finale. They can't keep up with the trendier covid drama, that shit is the new Game of Thrones
I think the assumptions about a no-deal depend as much on the competency of the people managing it as on financial projections. Given that, basically we are buggered.
Minute 4 and 20 seconds. I was screaming this before you got there. We're an island nation that doesn't eat (much) fish
In Denmark we have 8.754 Km of coastline. And we make bacon...:)
Can someone please explain project fear to me I have just heard about it and you guys keep saying it? Thanks
Appreciate the attempt at impartiality.
You miss out Freedom of Movement in EU for UK citizens which will mean applying for visas for each country for anyone staying linger an 90 days and loss of European Health Insurance Cover.
How about a video on how leaving the EU with or without a deal is affecting UK citizens who spend a significant time working or living in Europe and those who have second homes or have retired there.
Its not all about trade deals and fish !
Elliot Roger fan account
Not sure what an “EU” passport is. Perhaps TLDR could explain!
Of course many Brits are now choosing to apply for residency in another EU country, taking their assets to that country and paying taxes there instead of to a xenophobic British government.
Well, as Monty Python says "Always look on the Bright side of death . . ."
Always look on the bright side of life. Du doo du doo du doo du doo du doo
The UK has made it very clear that it cannot be trusted. So why would the EU or anyone else want to make any deal with the UK now, when you rightly have to assume that the UK could break any agreement at any time? 🤷 There are plenty of other potential trading partners in the world who respect agreements and are therefore much more reliable. So why continue to deal with the UK when you could expand your relationships with others instead? 🤷
Addressing UK sovereignty: Just act like the USA, ignoring the international court and all (and see how it works for you).
And the UK is NOT the US. Much weaker.
@@gohfi Correct.
The issues at the border can only be solved by an increase in custom capacity or a decrease in trade.
Time by itself will not solve anything.
Say what you want UKs comedy is the best in the world and they took it to a whole other level.
I am so happy I was born in the UK, rather than some other country like Germany or Bosweilia
Anyone else looking forward to The Troubles 2: Electric boogaloo dropping Jan 1st?
*y e s i n d e e d*
This video should be titled "Could a No Deal Brexit be good for the British economy?" I didn't see anything about what it means to the British people, and I'm assuming no one buys the "trickle down" argument in 2020.
You still don’t get it!
Crayons are at the right level for brexiters and this
No Deal. I could do with a laugh.
If it was a sucess, what would you say?
@@andrewtowell6074 "It's a miracle!"
@@andrewtowell6074 it wont but will always be spun that it is, we are over 2 trillion in debt after 10 years of austerity in our 2nd recession in 10 years our NHS is crippled our military is crippled and somehow noone gives a damn because brexit will fix all this like its a magical blue pill that will make britain hard again lol ah well im from northern ireland so we can always jump ship if Britain continues to sink
No Deal will be good for the EU in the medium to long run, because it will be the perfect lampshade of the benefits of the EU.
It will be good for the UK in the very long run, because they will learn better than to listen to exceptionalists full of it.
Britain should walk away. The EU has acted in bad faith throughout this process.
Revert to an ‘Australia’ type arrangement by all means but EU imports to the UK should be capped at 115% of UK exports on a country by country basis. This should be further reduced on a transition basis, ie 5yrs, to 100%.
EU member states that have been abusive to Britain should be capped at 100% on day 1 - namely France, Spain and Ireland.
The UK land bridge should be closed to vehicles from Republic of Ireland to reduce congestion on UK roads and also UK green house gas emissions.
Remember - virtually everything the UK currently buys from the EU can be sourced from elsewhere
The increased demand for goods and services from around the world should be used to increase UK exports beyond the EU
There's no forecast under which Brexit is good. Only differences respecting how bad.
4:32 Yummie! Love mackerel. (yes, I'm Dutch)
I like fish and I'm British.
Ditto Scotland but we cant eat it all.
I could become a mackrel smuggler.
I love mackerel but it's around £5 per fish here in the South - ridiculous!
@@92Pyromaniac yes which means we don't like it! Pmsl
The idea of banishing a irritant neighbour is enough for me. A neighbour always meddling in my affairs.
Yes, from love with Russia.
That hurt, please stop being truthful🤗😊🤧😷
The problem is that (a little like all the promises made by Brexiteers) there is no official document we can point to as a list of “project fear” predictions. So we could have a rough time with no deal Brexit and some would claim they were right, while glossing over problems that failed to materialise (eg. Power failures, food shortages, a £5:$1 exchange rate, a recession that dwarfs the Great Depression, etc).
That's a lot of "if"s at the risk of a lot of "is going to"s.
When I was a young lad in the 50s we used to eat lots of fish as it was so cheep! Every Sunday it was roat beef or lame. Then the common market come a long in the 70s and the prices went sky high. That was the end of our cheep fish and meat.
Are you sure? Because we still had rationing in the 50s. Meat rationing ended in 1954, to be precise. Fish was not rationed, but its cost increased steadily during the war and afterwards. Come on... are you actually British, and over 70?
It was always good in the past, so now you can go back to it .... btw Cheap is the word you were looking for .. perhaps you missed skool eetin too much cheep stuff ?
@@rollosinternet1853 Hi, Yes I'm 74 years have sex 3/4 times a week still playing music in my band. No I'm not British! I'm an Englishman true to the core. Kind regards, Englishman in Germany.
@@donrice8440 Too much information, but there you are, in Germany. Prices soared well before the UK became a member, let's be honest. So how much are actual Germans, not British immigrants, talking about Brexit there? Ah, no worries, soon everybody here will be joining you in not being British, this time for real. Hope you enjoyed your EU citizenship allowing you to live in the EU.
And, the edyookashun system were great, innit?
Poor old Liz, has watched her empire crumble and now this trainwreck will be the lasting memory of he reign
you need an r
@@johnforbes8282 Is that seriously so important? Just respond to his comment for some dialogue, rather than falling into ridiculous ad hominem attacks. Every person using this cheap resort simply shows very little capacity of dialogue and proper argumentation of their views.
@@rollosinternet1853 retort*
Yes we will prosper with out all the eu red tape holding us back
It would certainly be good for the EU... This way Britain have no one else to blame but themselves if things go south... although I’ve got a feeling that they’d still just blame the EU for all future problems even though they will have left... 🤔
Nooooo, they,ll still blame the EU.
If Brexit fails, it could be good for another for the EU:
Other states in the EU would see how important the EU is for their economic success and could be deterred to act against EU interests
@@Skund79 it's more united but poorer.
11:01
Okay but...
That UK with the crown pin PLEASE! That's too adorable for words.
I will tell you one thing, drugs and alcohol will make a huuuge boom in UK.
It will be great.
With stricter border controls?
10 years of austerity measures will dampen productivity...
You drew the wrong border for trade. Should have been between Britain and Northern Ireland. You're kinda jumping the gun with the breaking of international law there!
- More fish, meaning you are overfishing. The common fishing policy is meant to stop overfishing of the north sea. If you have one country fishing to it's own set of rules the danger is that there is no fish left in the near future, because the UK would be highly incentivised to overfish. Besides this, you were right to point out that there is a tariff on the UK's biggest export market, the EU. But since you are ruled by a very stable genius who wants the lorries to wait for days at the border until the new red tape is done, you will have the following effect: not so fresh fish, for a higher price. Do you think this would help or hurt british fishing? Did you even think about this or are you just cheerleading nonsense now?
- The trade deals are actually going to be worse, since the UK has a lower bargaining power than the EU combined. The EU Japan deal is already much better than the UK Japan deal. So you've just decreased your trading power, but also you've irked the most likely next president of the United States, Joe Biden, who said he doesn't want a trade deal with the UK as long as they don't listen to international law and uphold the Good friday agreement. You forgot to mention this somehow.
- Productivity in the UK is low, but the real question is: who wants to produce in the UK? If you have companies moving out since they want to be in the common market, it doesn't really matter if you have low productivity. I would also like to point out that the EU workers are not going to be replaced by UK workers, like in agriculture and the NHS. That most certainly means even less productivity and failing services.
In conclusion, your story is a delusion. Stop deluding yourself.