Snap-On: Most Expensive Die Grinder Ever vs M12 & Makita
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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Today we test the Snap-On 14.4V 1/4" Die Grinder vs Milwaukee M12 and Makita LXT Die Grinders. For the money, i think it's obvious our take away here. But you tell us.
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As always, the creator of this channel works in product development for Astro Tools, who also make die grinders (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking as a tool!
As a reminder 1:44 we're talking cordless replacements for air die grinders. Yes lots of brands make the bigger two-handed die grinders, and we find all of them regardless of brand these days have enough power to turn 1/4" attachments, which is good news so take your pick. We use the Ryobi quite a bit now and it's pretty good: amzn.to/44xekWo Sometimes only the M12 is going to fit though: amzn.to/44E0TE4
Hey guys can you test the new dewalt cutoff tool? My buddy has that and the m12 one and complains his m12 stop all the time compared to his dewalt that he says powers through it, thanks.
@@caleblea8630 Here you go: ruclips.net/video/FN1FYejWuOg/видео.html It slaps
Hey guys,my guess on the size of the makita die grinders is it looks a lot like if you took the head off their 4-1/2 grinder and put a die grinder head on
Good to hear you guys like the Ryobi so much. I pondered it various times but thought one day I'd buy the M12; but after watching different reviews and videos, it seems the Milwaukee is not that great and the Ryobi is a star. DTO just had a 40% off sale this wkend--$84 USD, so I didn't pass it up this time--seems like a great tool for the money!
If you want expensive die grinders, I have an NSK ESPERT 500T which blows your toys out of the water, price wise. It'll put out 200 watts and 50k rpm
Snap-on came by the shop last week and were advertising this right angle die grinder. I literally laughed out loud when they said the price.
That’s the same thing I did, and still do every time I see a battery replacement for things like chainsaws, and other gas operated around the house tools that we have.
Like, seriously 400-500 bucks for a leaf blower with batteries?
Why idk.
What was Snap-on reaction to your laugh?
@@Android_Warrior he said "...yeah.... They ARE a little pricey..."
@@scrapmetal_sleepers 🤣😂
@@dallynsr Well first I think you're a few years behind on your perception (admitting of course that I'm coming here a year after you said it); I just went looking at lowes and I feel like blowers are now cheaper electric, and chainsaws are very close to parity. But second and probably more importantly, the nonpecuniary factors are hugely in favor of batteries. Many people are simply conditioned by decades of habit to accept the idea of keeping mixed gasoline around, going to the station to refill it, etc. but if you were making the decision fresh, not having to do that is a big deal. My chainsaw and blower use the same 60v batteries I use on my angle grinder and recip/circular. I never have to go to the gas station and my garage doesn't have explosives in it (other than in the car, lol). Obviously the calculation is way different for a professional who's going to run the tool all day. But for weekend warriors the cordless stuff is just so much nicer to work with. My dad is 75 and got an ego chainsaw last year...told me after using it a while "I shall never again pull the cord on a small engine."
Man, snap-on needs some help. Same or worse performance than literally anything else, for triple the price
In cordless yeah its feast and famine
My thing is, that very low profile head of the snapon does give me much more access to places
You pay for a name and fanboys will pay
@@WowCreativeUsername that and the convenient warranty. Which is becoming worthless as they now sell Milwaukee on their trucks so their cordless tools are worthless. They offer the same warranty on the m18/m12s...
I’m wondering if the quality is worth it?
Idk how all new tools are, but I’ve been using some of the same power tools since the late 90s, while newer tools that I’ve bought have lasted only a couple of years.
Quite surprising results. Zero regrets being subscribed to this channel.
Matco has one to test as well. MCL16RDG. It would be cool if you took a look at their sealed head ratchets also which are unique to them and resemble SP Air pneumatics. People love to crap on them for being a contract tool producer but their cordless stuff consistently seems to perform well and is largely exclusive to them. Not saying worth the price (lets face it, most cordless off the truck is grossly overpriced) but just more unique than something like a DeWalt with the casing color changed to red.
I bought a sealed head mac ratchet 15 years ago and used the hell out of it. I wish someone would make a cordless one because I hate using air ratchets after I got my first cordless one.
@@ForfeMac there’s a cordless sealed head from dewalt too.
@@Beercheesesoup What's the model number, because I can't find anything
@@ForfeMac The MAC were SP Air rebranded under an exclusivity deal. The Matco ratchets I mentioned seem to either clone or license the same head style you liked so much. Models are MCL1614SRB and MCL1638SR. DeWalt is bringing one to market with swapable anvils like the MAC pneumatic but its 20V and quite large. Again, still TBD on release date, model DCF510B and will include 1/2 and 3/8 anvils. If money werent a factor or I already had Matco batteries I'd trend more toward them. Their 3/8 stubby impact is also a nice piece of kit.
The Milwaukee m12 straight and right angle die grinders for me never cut out But I use the pad to do the work my my physical hand or body force to put load on the Tool and I use them everyday on regular maintenance on vehicles to cleaning gasket surfaces and even sometimes demonstrations on rotors for customers as well as cleaning and stripping metal for paint Milwaukee only stall when you don't let the Tool do the work but force to much pressure because of inpatients.. good video @Torque Test Channel
Had a 3.5 hour trip to see my parents this weekend. Luckily there’s a Direct Tools en route and they had 40% off this weekend so I grabbed the Ryobi for $85 🙌 can’t wait to try it out tomorrow
I have no use for a die grinder, your videos are just addictive
Haha I never would have thought setting out people would, instead of researching a purchase, also just enjoy seeing these things like we do
Trust me, if you had a die grinder, you’d find all sorts of uses for it!
@@_P0tat07_i got one of the wilwaukees a few months. Can't believe i got anything done without it lol
I have 2 dewalt 20v die grinders, which I am surprised you did not include in this review. I use them for commercial door work. Love the ergonomics on it. Has a long straight neck on it which really helps in controlling it. Would love to see you review it
This is a video on 1 handed die grinders. Use your ears dude.
The best tool testing channel by far. Keep up the great content
Absolutely 😊
This one is awesome but so is Project Farm.
id say closer to top 5 and thats only because theres only a handful out there worth mentioning. this guy doesnt even know the dewalt die grinder available is 1/4" considering he didnt test it because he thinks dewalt doesnt make a cordless 1/4" die grinder 😂
@@KableTac Watch 1:44 or read pinned comment.
Yeah maybe watch the video/understand the testing premise before throwing shade
I’ve turned a lot of coworkers into followers of your channel! Thanks for awesome content! And your argument solving ability!
Basically the lesson here is don't buy a Cordless die Grinder unless you HAVE to for certain types of work lol. As a diesel tech, air will always be the best for these tools.
I have the MAC 20v brushless die grinder i would be willing to send in to you guys for testing. Alot of people dont know it exists. Looks similar to the ryobi gun style. Let me know. Thanks. Great video
Is it model mcm401? Is so i just got one a month ago and love it! Blows Snapons brushless away, and has more warranty.
I (ab)use mine on the regular. Strap a 9ah 20/60v flex on it and go
0:39 just triggered my fight or flight with the background alarm💀
Wow, I feel vindicated. I've been using the Ryobi die grinder for two years now and love itI don't need to to put it on his highest setting for the kind of grinding I do with scotch brite pads. Some of Ryobi tools are crap, but this is not one of them.
I'm not surprised to see a brushed grinder do well, IME brushed still does well for high RPM direct drive stuff. Brushless seems to lose advantage the faster it has to spin, whereas in a geared tool you can spin a bit slower and just reduce how much you gear it down.
It would be interesting to see the electrical power from the battery versus the tool mechanical output power.
An adapter in between the battery and tool with voltage and current sensors could measure the electrical power. You would likely need one adapter per brand, but it would help separate tool performance from battery performance.
I have had the Milwaukee 12V angle for about a year and it is great for what I use it for. It's not a replacement for an air or corded tool by any means but it does the small things just fine such as severing control cables, dressing up edges, opening up holes, prepping for spot painting, and cleaning mounting surfaces. At first it kept stopping just trying to cut a 1/4" diameter control cable and I thought it was a dud just like most of the reviews I read but either it learned how to work or I learned how to use it because I don't think it has done the overload shut down once after the first couple of uses. I also keep it turned down to 3 or 2 most of the time. Trying to use this to the level that a corded or air unit is capable of is like trying to use a half ton pickup truck for a triaxle truck. It might work if you take smaller bites at a time.
I own both replacing my air die grinders. I do have 7 batteries though.
Ridgid makes a cut off cheap wonder if that would take a grinding wheel
That Makita is a beast! Great video guys!
You just cant beat Ryobi for price/performance and dare I say reliability. Im a industrial/commercial electrician, been using them on the job every day for almost two decades now. Bought my frst set to keep as my "home set", Id save the serious (and expensive stuff (Milwawkee) for work. Became so impressed that I eventually switched to use as full time work tools. Need to watch what yoiu buy but most of their stuff is pretty damn good.
I can say I love my Green Brand tools. They are more than adequate for my purposes of racing at my local dirt track. Just, whatever you do, DON'T buy their cordless ratchets. They seem a little weak in the durability department.
I’m a J man electrician and I would seriously consider buying ryobi if I was just getting into the trade. The last couple years their stuff has become very good.
It's ok. Snap On will be bought out by Black and Decker and then they will just slap the Snap On name on whatever tool, t-shirt, backpack, shoes, and USB cables they can.
bd is owned by Stanley so it will not happen
SnapOn makes a lot of money. They’re not going anywhere.
For me the right angle M12 is the best! I'm on the Makita platform but that M12 is the one exception.
Ive be3n a drywaller for a lot of years and the makita tool you were demonstrating is the one we use for cutting out plugs and light boxes in the ceiling and walls
That old makita still has it.. I have one and use it setup as drywall cutout tool.
You have to open up the snap-on. For a price like that and that performance it must have some gem encrusted gems in there.
if it's anything like the 14.4V polisher it's going to be built like shit.
And SO doesn't even want to offer an industry standard 3-5 year warranty for this stuff either. They're a big L as far as cordless power tools go. Plus their battery platform tool selection sucks a fat one too.
Makita also makes what they call a sander/polisher. The tool is the same style of tool as the Ryobi and also brushless. Not sure if it takes 1/4 inch burs, but it definitely takes the sanding pads you showed in use. Would love to see how that compared against the Ryobi. I don't know the American model designation, but in Europe its called the DPV300.
Well done on holding onto the top spot for cordless die grinders, Ryobi! I don't need a cordless die grinder right now, but these videos are enjoyable to watch.
Thanks again, Torque! 🐺🔧
9:01 I get the distinct impression I could build a stronger cordless die grinder with a loose chuck and some RC car parts. A 540 size brushless motor meant for RC car use will put out 2 horsepower without a second thought on just 3 cells. It's insane how much power comes out of those things. That, a 3s5000 lipo, a servo tester, a 3d printed trigger, fab up a frame, and bob's yer auntie. Build a cordless die grinder for half the cost of that snap-on unit that puts out so much power itt'l break your wrist quite literally before it ever torques out.
I doubt those motors could sustain high load for extended times though. They are only meant to have high load for a few seconds, simular to a starter motor
@@jmanlinc Light load for them is still 3-4 times higher than what these tools are producing, and they will sustain those insane loads as long as the battery holds out as long as they aren't overheated.
@@jmanlinc a 10 mins race is not high load for a few seconds. A modern brushless rc motor is Nothing like a started motor.
Cool! I’d like to see the full size cordless die grinders next. Like the Dewalt cordless model.
They are all plenty powerful enough to spin 1/4" bits these take
@@TorqueTestChannel We'll watch the video though, mate. We need to know for ya know, brand dick length comparison.
I have to wonder about tool brands like Snap On. Does their premium pricing reflect the actual value of the product or is it a financial strategy to cover their replacement policy? I'm leaning towards being overpriced, while attempting to maintain the premium brand image.
The cost of warranty and running a tool truck are built into the prices. It’s also overpriced too
@@chainarmor448 I get the feeling a lot of their products are made overseas. So there's that.
They're a publicly traded company whose stock price has been VERY healthy, so yeah they're jacking the prices up and making bank. They have not only brand recognition but a lot of really sweet government contracts. They also use the high price of their tools and the 'industry standard' nature of their product to drive mechanics into debt with them, where they make their real money on interest. Simply building best-in-class tools isn't going to grow your profits forever, but being a lender with really bad rates might. I really wonder how long this business model is going to work for them, because it doesn't seem infinitely sustainable. Mechanic's wages are super low on average, and many of the younger ones I've met have no problem buying Harbor Freight these days, but there are still many brand loyalists that refuse to buy anything other than Snap-On, no matter the cost.
I bought the Kobalt 24V die grinder. Being able to use a die grinder without an air compressor brings on another 1001 uses.
Guess I'm finally going to have to get into Ryobi's battery platform, they have a lot of things that look like "nice to haves" if I was already invested in their platform but I think I NEED their die grinder considering how it's tested vs everything else! The Ryobi 'drill-style' + the Milwaukee(already invested) straight/inline/whatever you want to call it, hard to beat combo!
And, to be completely honest, I doubt I would've ever considered Ryobi without this channel - can't trust the marketing claims obviously, and they're clearly oriented towards the more cost conscious consumer than for the tradesman... no way to know if they're worth a damn without testing, so you often bought more tool than you may have needed because "at least I know it's good enough for trade work". TTC's testing plus the long term use reports that people are putting out has REALLY cleared up the picture in the power tool market, cordless especially.
A Ryobi die grinder offering twice the performance for less than half the price of the still-China manufactured Snap-Off is just hilarious. Anyone know if Subaru mechanic dude is invested in the Snap-Off die grinder too? LOL, he puts out some good content, but GOOD LORD does he love him Snap-Off.
i just bought the m12 90* to polish and clean my 350z intake manifold and while it does beat a 6lb air compressor and a die grinder it does go through batteries fast when using constantly. Im currently working on using a dc power supply to power the m12 die grinder via wall power!
Had my snappy dealer try to sell me one of those die grinders. Was instantly unimpressed. Could easily stop the chuck with my bare fingers and cut out under light loads. He was all proud having just come from a tool show. Told him I'll keep my air die grinder for now.
Dewalt does have the dcg426b cordless die grinder
Snap on guy came by today, they now have a long reach version. Part number CGRS865. It has a 2 speed gearbox, and variable speed motor.
I’ve had the cgrs861 for many years now. Believe it was 299 bare tool. I Use it daily for reamer bits, or dremel attachments. Works flawlessly, I own both the m12 and snap on. The snap on batteries are faster charging, and last longer when using carbide burrs.
Can’t wait to try the new CGRS865
4:40 Interestingly, while the chunky Makita is slower than both the M2 and the Snap-On, it doesn't lose any speed after few seconds, like the other two. Could that have to do with brushed vs brushless?
6:45 Wow, that Makita is a beast, for sure.
I have the makita, definetly chunky but we've tried the large milwaukee and its just too big for our uses, boat building and general fab. The makita is nice because you can comfortably hold it with one hand and use a 1/2"x 1" aluminum cutter without it jumping around on you.
@@BlakeMcBain Nice. 👍
For over $600??!!
Grinder beans
Hey torque test channel, I have an idea to make adapters to use matco 16v batteries in M12 tools, I was wondering if you could test my prototype, it certainly feels like it increases the rpm on my impact, but it would be interesting to see the actual results 👍
Just for fun, could you pit a cordless 1/4” trim router (with base removed) against the straight die grinders? Seems like it could be a way to cheat the system by using a tool for something it wasn’t designed for. Lots more availability too. Might spin too fast though.
A very interesting thought. It seems like several tools--router, Dremel, Roto-zip, die grinder--are all similar in what they do. They all spin a bit/attachment at relatively high RPM. The typical Dremel/rotary tool is not going to have the torque for larger stuff like this but a router can probably sub in for a die-grinder. It'd be cool if some manufacturer made a high RPM "multi-tool" where you could switch attachments for things like a router to a die grinder, sander, cut-off, etc. I mean if lower RPM multi-tools are so popular, why not a high RPM multi-function?
Do those have a clutch for when the resistance gets too high. Most of these have a clutch so the stops aren't so abrupt. Without that it would be like old cordless drills that would snap the wrists of any unsuspecting user
@@nickdecker2350 I'm pretty sure they're all direct drive so it could get a little squirrelly if you got too aggressive.
Seems like you have not tried Kobalt's kdg124. It really a good performer and has outright awesome speed governor. It goes right through stuff that stalls all my others! Id love to see you test it. The only problem is it is pretty long and awkward, and its somewhat prone to coming loose and rubbing internally.
One of my coworkers got both of the M12 grinders, and while they're slightly more convenient than air, the performance on them absolutely sucks compared to air. They're slower, torqueier(not a good thing imo for something that you want speed above all else, they bounce and skip like crazy unless you baby them), run hot, heavier, and you need 4 batteries to be able to use them constantly.
Granted, if you've only got an 8 gallon air compressor, or don't have air at all, I can see the practicality of it, but I just don't see the use case for them in a professional shop, only diyers and field guys. Also nobody makes them in a 120 degree version which is the one that I grab nine times out of ten.
I like my m12 90° die grinder. Its not a "need" but man it comes in handy and ive used it for all kinds of things. From cutting nails and screws, cutting things i shouldnt like large pieces of steel with a 3" cutting disc, normal sanding and buffing, 1" to 3" wire wheels, ive even buffed healights with it on low.
This thing is just quick and easy to use, i wish it had a bit more power but it is what it is.
I thought i might want the m12 straight die grinder but now seeing the straight one has the same power..maybe a bit less even, ill stick with my 90°. Plus seems like its a tad more compact.
I like the snap on's feature with that shaft lock button (instead of using the 2 wrenches) but cant see spending that kind of money.
I have both of the M12 die grinders and I find the straight is really handy for cutting hoses and whatnot that's hard to get too in machinery I really wish they wouldn't shut off all the time tho
@@Noelle0009 I agree, that shut off is very annoying. My 90° doesn't do it if I'm just using buffing or sanding pads, but it does it alot with a 2" or 3" cutting disc. Also does it often with the 3" wire wheels but some of them are kinda heavy.
I still like it alot, as of now it's the only thing like it for size and battery powered.
I still use air tools for longer jobs.
I love how they price the Snap-on out as a full kit with two batteries and a charger compared to other brands on sale without batteries.
Snap-On prices are laughable. How they sucker people into buying this stuff is baffling.
1000 weekly payment of $15.00 and your trade in.
Pretty simple really my tools make my paychecks. U pay for the service just as much so as the tool. I ended up with a good snap on guy so I buy a lot from him. I have a few friends with crappy snap on guys and good Mac or Marco guys so they buy them instead of snap on. It’s all expensive but worth it if u have a good dealer standing behind it.
Great video guys! Would love to see what kind of a difference the M12 5.0 HO’s make especially on the right angle die grinder. I’ve started using the 5.0’s on mine and notice a performance increase for sure.
it's got to be a sizable performance jump as for example the M12 6Ah XC pack comes with Samsung 30Q cells with only 15A discharge rate.
OTOH, the M12 5Ah XC H.O pack comes with Samsung 25S cells with 25A discharge rate so it translates to much better power delivery, at least on paper.
My guess is the 5Ah battery would allow for about 200W peak on the dyno
I've got the Makita long boi, great tool that's pretty much the equal of the Milwaukee 18v my offsider uses
How do you mean DeWalt has nothing in this category? they had the DCG426 for years already wich ''on paper'' way out performs everything on this list right?
The reason it would obviously outperform these is it's in a different category. 1:44 we're testing die grinders that could replace an air die grinder, like one handed. All the two handed telephone poles models makes more than enough umph to power 1/4" attachments, so no real reason to bench dyno them.
@@TorqueTestChannel ah I see, dont know how i missed that, I even kinda answered my own queastion....🙈
Haha no worries man!
Maybe you should try the rotozip / drywall tools as it seems most brands have them and they are of similar specs to the angle grinders. I wouldn't go around and suggest you should use one as a die grinder but I use mine with deburring tools and cutting bits to cut plastic ect.
came here to say the same thing. i have an OG blue ryobi 18v and a newer green ryobi 18v version (way less heavy duty than the blue one). i think i paid 20bucks for the green one at directTools outlet. these things are basically just a giant brushed motor and ¼" chuck, w no speed control. i rigged up a DIY PWM speed control for them many years ago to use them as grinders/rotary tools after growing tired of burning out dremels. ( at that time there were no battery die grinders on the market. )
@@GannDolph Ive had both as well. You are correct, just a on off switch. Huge startup load.
Bearings always wear out quickly on mine even after being careful to balance the burr in the collet.
@@barthchris1 interesting- never looked inside at the bearings. are they just using bushings? i havent used enough hours to test that i think.
i now have both the M12 grinders. ergonomically great, but they cut out a lot and after using for several minutes the motor and electronics heat up a lot and some temperature sensor inside causes them to cut out under the slightest load. Will probably get the Ryobi for the heavier loads. i wish it were a little more compact like the M12 right-angle, but oh-well..
@@GannDolph They use proper ball bearings.
I bought the M12 rotary tool when it first came out. I use Dremel type tools alot. Dremels cordless 12V was already introduced but I didn't like the idea of being locked into a battery which would only work with the limited tools Dremel has. Milwaukee makes nice tools so I figured it would be at least as good as Dremel, maybe better, plus they have a big line of M12 tools. I was surprised when the front bearing crapped out within weeks. I don't get my tools wet, I don't try to "clean" bearings with WD-40, lol, I don't my oil bearings, I try to always run my burrs with as little vibration as possible, in fact I'm anal about it. Retuned the M12, it was better but still started having issues a year or so later.
Since then I happened to find a 12V Dremel without ia battery at a yard sale. I'm really good with batteries, built several 3 cell lion pack with good cells. Soldered a RC power connector to the Dremels battery contacts. my DIY pack friction fits nicely into the intended slot. I've had it now for several years, no bearing problems whatsoever.
I think the reason is that Dremel has more reinforcement at the output bearings location. This causes less slop between the bearing and the tools body. Milwaukee may have fixed the problem but I'm really impressed with the 12V Dremel. Very smooth, powerful tool, probably just as if not more powerful than a corded version.
@@GannDolph And yeah, I've been using Ryobi since the blue days. Their first 18V 1/4" impact driver was a revelation for me. Still remember it was $69 without the battery. I tried every other big brand before them but never looked back after using that impact.
those batteries on the snapon appear to be the 2.0 Ah batteries as the stickers are in a landscape layout. would like to see the 2.5 Ah batteries tested. The decal on the bottom is a portrait layout on the 2.5 batteries. you pay postage and I'd send you one of mine to borrow for testing. It'd be a lot cheaper than buying them outright. I have 9 variants of the 14V snapons and 13 batteries that I'd lend you, although some of them are 6+ years old. I swear the 3/8 14V impact has more beans than the 18V 3/8. The 3/8 impact and ratchet can complete a radiator swap on a freightliner cascadia. it doesn't appreciate pulling the lower rad mount 5/8 nuts but it'll do it.
I still just go for the Air Die grinder when in the shop...and the snap-on pistol style grinder on the road, which i wont repurchase when it fails, will replace with a Milwaukee
I’ve always seen 1/4in die grinders for doing finer work. It’s a detail tool in the grander scheme of things. Thank you for all the performance info.
yeah i have a big black and decker die grinder it is too big for fine work the right angle milwaukee is great with adjustable speed range and a 3 inch cutting wheel it is better than my 4 1/2 in cutoff wheels never seems to wear out
Performance is still relevant though because sometimes there's just places that the big boys can't fit, so you gotta use the next best tool that will fit. Both the Ryobi & Makita are packing a lot of power, while the Milwaukees are extremely compact for their output.
Also, it's nice to be able to get away with using a smaller, lighter tool sometimes when you have a lot of arm/hand fatigue hitting you at the end of the day LOL.
I think it would be cool to test the 1 horse Snap-on air die grinder
Mac has a polisher/die grinder. Dewalt also has one
Mac is an mcm401 and dewalt is a dcg426b
Always great content thanks for sharing
Dewalt has a version with the Mac polisher/grinder. Been out for awhile
Model # is MCM401
It does real good with 2 and 3in. sanding discs.
I realize these are the one-handed tool versions, but the size penalty of the 18volt batteries makes the M12's compact nature shine. A single-hand M18 would surely dominate.
That M12 right angle ergonomics is so good.
There is one with a probably even smaller form factor than all the ones tested, but seemingly less ugga-duggas? Bosch GWG 12V-50 S
Could be interesting for tight spaces maybe?
Okay... I've really had enough of Snap-On. If tomorrow I lost every tool I own, (like if the shop I work at burned down.)and I had to replace everything, there's very little if anything that I'm gonna jump on the Snap-On truck to get. I would literally get MATCO, CORNWELL, Milwaukee, Ryobi and Harbor Freight stuff.
If it’s anything like their cordless ratchet, it will slowly fall apart. Out of 3, all quit holding sockets because the retaining ball came loose from the head. Out of 3 batteries, 2 quit working after intermittently coming and going for a few mths. Keep in mind, i had 3 cordless ratchets and their air ratchet all at the same time, so while they definitely were used almost daily, the work load was shared.
Oh and I almost forgot, snap on has a flat rate repair program. I think it’s $125 per tool or thereabouts. I gave our dealer my 1/4” and 3/8” extended anvil ratchets since I they were more useful to me. After 6 weeks I asked for an eta or any kind of update, you know because I do this for a living and all, and after about week 8 he quit showing up. I haven’t seen him or my ratchets since.
Wow, I was not expecting that Makita to do well at all, a surprise for sure.
I’m glad you called out dewalt directly. They have to now.
So not because I’m a fan boy, but more out of curiosity, how does the exact same die grinder compare between a straight and a right angle for each brand?
Love the videos, awesome job! I would love to see how the Bosch GWG12V-20SN test out.
Hey TTC, Kobalt 24v has a die grinder as well, and it's half the price of these guys. Be interesting to see at half the price twice the voltage how it would hold.up. Maybe a short video addendum to this series.
If you're talking about the KDG124, this fits in the "2-handed" category like the M18.
That Makita to M12 size comparison was giving off "you vs the guy she says not to worry about" vibes.
Another Great Video of Tool Comparisons. Thanks for the test.
Brushed making more power kinda makes sense, in that the electronics don't care that the motor rpms keep dropping. Brushless setups keep track of motor speed and the motor controllers often cut power well before the motor actually runs out of grunt.
I have 2 of DeWalt's DCG426; they're very strong and reliable. And i couldn't pass up a deal on the Snapon right angle tool only. IMHO i would never like a paddle on a tool that gets held at all kinds of angles.
Tool manufacturers aren't going to get away with diddley squat with this guy on their case!!
I have the snapon 14.4 straight and right angle die grinders. Got them on a deal. Not a dan of the straight but love the 90. Good feel amd power
My dealer hooked me up and I got both for 450 with 2 batteries and no charger, as I already have a few. Don't use the straight much but has come in handy for carbide bits doing finesse work. Love the right angle for cleaning heads on f150 exhaust manifold jobs
"Plenty of power for 1/4" attachments" for home gamers is one thing but until there's a cordless equivalent of the glorious Milwaukee 5196 corded there are no serious cordless die grinders. Should a maker come up with a good one they'd sell many thousands so it's worth mentioning as industry obviously watch your influential channel.
In heavy use burrs and large flap wheels put quite a load on die grinders. Welders tend to prefer corded because they develop much more torque at low RPM, something most pneumatics do not (they rely on high RPM). It's no accident the 5196 is a classic unchanged since before the buyout. 5196 isn't cheap but they're worth every penny and even survive welding students. Collets and nuts then brushes (take a Cratex to the commutor while you're there) shaft bearings are the main wear parts and easy (I maintained a fleet of them) to replace.
You should test the Snap-on drill in this same battery configuration. I bought one of those and they are god-awful, it torqued out if you blow on it wrong
Looking at the power output maybe I should reconsider strapping a 60 kRPM, 1 kW RC motor to a nail grinding spindle, especially when I ran out of aluminum and replaced parts with resin prints...
I really wish Milwaukee's M12 tools like this were better. Either that or that they would make M18 versions that are actually capable. The cutoff tool is another that this reminds me of.
I think you missed the Fein AGSZ 18-280 BL AS as a high end tool option.
Too bad DeWalt doesn't have an Atomic or 12v Extreme to go along with the DCG426. The full size grinder is a monster.
Wishing the same bro, i wont be surprised if they make one though, they're releasing a lot of new and impressive tools.
The distribution of snap on is the real issue. Independent franchise markup is high. Tool reposession and loss (when people who are supposed to pay every week but disappear) is also high. Every time you buy a snap on tool you are also helping recover the cost of another tool that had been stolen.
Great content as always. Keep up the good work.
dewalt has a drywall cutter my coworker uses as a die grinder DCE555D2
Bosch GGS 18V would be interesting to see.
I use the M12 right angle and find it to work fine with 2" & 3" attachments and anything really big I go with the corded 4.5" angle grinder. Like many thing The Right tool for the job.
I’ve always thought that snap on had a massive missed opportunity not joining up with Milwaukee on the power tool side. They could have put snap on name on them,” and charged a few extra $$, sold them and service them off the truck.
I don't think Milwaukee would lower themselves to that level😂
Snap-on just released a new version with an 2 speed gear reduction so you can acutall cut with it now.
Ryobi is the best tool brand. Very good value.
2:51 "echo Tec" lol 😄
Its a joke around here that you can hear em comin
How about testing the new Milwaukee M12FBFL13-0 M12 FUEL 12V Band File 13mm
Do you feel Makita could make an XGT die grinder with convertible head (straight right angle) ? I swear they'd kill it.
Also curious if 40v platforms can make enough torque for a metal chamfer tool. Hate the idea of running air for those.
How about routers? For shaping edges of wood and whatnot
Kobalt also has a die grinder. According to the app, it’s item# 1332914 and model # KDG 124B-03. Would be interesting to see how that does against these
A 90 degree cordless die grinder is everything we need!!!
Would be cool to see the Carpi die grinder. They somehow have a 1HP tool that runs at half a CFM. You could run that off most cordless air compressors. The Chief is only a 1/2 HP tool rated at 4 CFM. No idea how they get twice the work with 1/8th of the air.
We should stick to snap on or Williams hand tools but when it comes to their cordless its like its stuck in 2012
I have the Ryobi but it's annoying because my shop never buys die grinder bits or attachments
Snap-on at least has the form factor correct with the 14.4v batteries. Two cells in the handle and two below.
my only complaint about the Makita die grinder (longer one) is its viciously powerful. its 2 hands and a very tight grip or it will try and hurt you
there is a bosch one wich should be available soon
Ryobi has some tools that beat Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch and Dewalt. One of them, that blew the others away is the crown stapler.
Yes because when you put 18v against 12 it generally out competes... So no Ryobi doesn't have tools that beat other brands
Both Fein and Metabo make 18v cordless die grinders, or did I miss something?