Corded v Cordless Angle Grinders Dyno'd! Milwaukee vs Harbor Freight
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024
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Today we build the 4.5" angle grinder dyno and figure out how powerful popular Harbor Freight Hercules & Bauer cordless options are compared to corded Milwaukee 7amp & Bauer 8amp are to start our ranking of cordless angle grinders!
The creator of this channel is working in product development for Astro Tools, who don't make angle grinders, but also consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
Let us know which *model number* cordless 4.5" angle grinders you want to see ranked here! For example we're getting a lot of requests for DeWALT Flexvolt Advantage, M18 & Makita, but which ones are on your short list? (6" would be cheating at this point)
Milwaukee M18 2880 for sure and the 2888
Makita 9557PB
Makita LXT Line. More specifically the lower cost ones: DGA504 or DGA511
The latter allows for speed control.
Makita gag03, 40v grinder
Metabo is king of corded grinders
I’m glad the part worked out….. thanks for the shout out I always enjoy these vids
We made a community post, this guy reached out - we provided drawings and like a day later he shipped it out. What a Chad. We just bought a lathe so hopefully we're a bit more self sufficient now,
@@TorqueTestChannel it was no problem if you ever need anything else let me know 👊
@@TorqueTestChannelSo are you gonna be torque testing lathes now?
@@WayneWerner More like making really stupid impractical but insanely powerful (hopefully) creations
Thank you
In case some viewers dont understand the significance here: A long time ago Harbor Freight stores mostly sold junk but managed to stay in business by appealing to workers on a tight budget, and they were successful. Nowadays they are selling better quality tools that can appeal to professionals with all budgets. So its kind of nice to see proof their brand of power tools are actually decent.
As a welder, any more angle grinder testing videos will be crack to me!
Plz test cordless makita and dewalt angle grinders too!
Love everything about this channel
@@1pcfred I already have the Makita and love it. I want to see how it stacks up to other angle grinders
"A grinder makes me the welder I ain't"
I'm still trying to keep my old 4.5" 14amp adjustable speed, Milwaukee alive. I've been saying it's on its last leg for years.
@@testosteroneinc.3800 a grinder and paint
Definitely need to see the Makita corded 4.5" grinder on the dyno. Love those.
The OG angle grinder that every tile guy has in their toolbox.
Makita 9557nb
depends on the amps, i know alot of us would like to see our fav grinder on the table, but most of them are in the 9-15amp range which would destroy anything cordless.
Mines been working as long as I've been welding and it won't die I'll be sad when it does
@MisterDoro not just tile. those are the absolute standard for welders and trades that work with metal in the oil and gas industry. ive seen these used and abused every day and left in the back of a flat deck in the rain just to be used again the next day.
I would love to see the Ridgid Brushless cordless and the warrior angle grinders tested.
If they could compare the ridgid octane to their latest one that would be cool
I'm not sure why anybody that wants a wide array of tools on the same system would be interested in Rigid.
@@kanehoward7050 I bought into them during the Octane line. Lifetime warranty, performance that matched or exceeded the current gen of M18 fuel tools at the time, and half the price. TTI kiboshed that pretty quickly and I don't think I'd buy any of their current tools
@Sparx ah, gotcha.
You can’t go wrong with the warrior it works really well for what it is and can take a beating my guy has had one for years and it’s still kicking
This channel is changing the tool world for the better and helping out Joe blow more then he could ever imagine... thanks guys..have a test idea... in welding we use temp guns instead of temple heat sticks..wonder how accurate the electronic temp guns are compared to other options for reading heat in steel..
They can be quiet accurate if the emissivity setting is correct for the surface finish and material you are testing. They are not a set and forgot tool and you can't use them on multiple materials or finishes without adjusting the settings to match
It would be super helpful to see you guys test different angle grinders from the same brand (e.g. the DCG405, DCG412, and DCG414) as well as similar comparisons for other brands. That would provide very useful information for someone looking to purchase a grinder who is already committed to a battery line, and provide some context on how much additional performance you get for the extra money, and if spending more is actually worth it or if the cheaper models will get the job done.
Love your content, keep up the good work!
I did 5 different Dewalt grinders head to head on my channel a while back, but nowhere near TTC levels of precision. Gotta give him props for the effort that goes into these tests he does.
Yeah, like the DCG418 60v and DCG416 20v compared to the OGs.
I agree with the different models from same brands. TTC will probably eventually get thru all of them as usual.
The high level of effort, testing methodologies, and dedication you guys have keeps me coming back. And then the humor, like the modified intro with captions, is just the cherry on top haha. Gave me a good chuckle. Keep up the good work, guys!
Thanks for letting me know to go back and actually pay attention to the intro!
Not too surprised about Milwaukee's performance. I've had the chance to speak with a handful of engineers who design grinders and when they talk about the top competitors they are trying to beat I've never once heard them mention Milwaukee. Makita and Dewalt are the names I hear a lot. From the welders, I know I'd say it was Makita, Dewalt, Metabo, Bosch and Hitachi in that order. As far as cordless... probably Dewalt but I really want to see what the Flex can do... I mean they invented the grinder after all.
Flex invented the grinder??
@@EFLO3D Yep, well the handheld grinder. In fact, in a large part of Europe, they just call an angle grinder a flex in the same way we might call an adjustable wrench a crescent wrench.
Great job! I have three Bauer corded angle grinders set up for different jobs and I’ve found them to be excellent tools for the money. I’ve also been using Bauer’s 20V cordless tools (although not the angle grinder - yet) in the municipal garage where I work for about two years now and I’m really happy with them. I’ve had zero failures and their performance has been really good, especially when considering what I paid for them.
The Bauer cordless grinder is definitely a good pick, compares well to the Dewalt I used to have and it's going on about 2 years strong
Nice to see West Weld's name pop up on another of my favorite channels. His work (fabrication and video) are top-notch.
Loved this test and happy to hear it is becoming a series. I like the impact wrench stuff, but I don't use those nearly as much as ya'll do. My angle grinder on the other hand gets lots of use.
Definitely like seeing more harbor freight tools. For one I often think they are a good value for many users and I like seeing the difference between their house brands when put to the test.
i have the same harbor freight dual action polisher that i use daily since 2016.. it still going strong and take all the beating.. it really impressed me how that cheap brand can compete with the expensive brand such rupes and flex in terms of performance and durability..
Very much appreciate the standardized testing of actual output on the dyno and comparing cordless to corded. This sheds light on some questions I've had for ages. Would love to see the craftsman brushless V20 grinder as well the dewalt XR, but really, any more testing would be great to see.
Great setup and testing. As someone that uses an angle grinder a lot (I even get paid to do it!) and don't see cordless being a full replacement soon I would like a chart of the corded grinders.
It would be interesting to see an external power supply to drive the battery-powered models and see how they hold up with "infinite" power. Would they run hotter, or still be as consistent?
Thanks for running HF grinders. Their convenience, return policy and warranty alone make up for some performance but to see them holding their own... Well, thanks again.
I run that Hercules grinder with the 12ah extreme battery and love it! Did have to warranty it one time for the disc lock breaking, but that was painless and I had a new tool the same day. Plus, every time you warranty it you get a new handle, new spanner, and a free grinding disc
I had the same first introduction with Hercules tools when I first bought my mother her 12v Hercules drill. The first one worked for a few days with little to no use and just suddenly pooped out the last time she used it. No drama, no magic smoke, nothing. It just quit and wouldn't respond. But because we didn't have it very long it was still under warranty so I just brought it back to the store and exchanged it for a new one with no questions asked.
The second one has been working perfectly fine with constant use and is still going strong a year or two later. I was disappointed when the first one pooped out but I understand that thousands of them are made in a day and you're bound to get a bad one eventually. Since I really wanted to try the Hercules tools I stuck with it and everything I've bought since then have all been great. :)
Would love to see what a Makita corded would do and a DeWalt cordless. I've had good luck with Makita grinders. I know my Dad has a 9" that's over 30 years old and is still throwing sparks and it's been worked hard, it does weigh a lot though. Of course it's a 9" so that's to be expected. Love these new series that you are running. Really like knowing about tool vibration.
Makita are still good, but nowhere near as good as they were.
@@bairnonessie That is true for most things since corporations have gone to less quality and more quantity.
The best corded angle grinder I have ever used was a Hikoki (made in Japan) not the Chinese made brands. I once took it apart to compare with a broken other brand and the wire wraps were so much larger, better insulated and wrapped tighter in the motor. Did a classic tractor renovation and ran it constantly for over an hour to strip paint to bare metal and it's still working 5 years later. We bought the twin pack which comes with the 5 inch grinder and the 9 inch too.
Excited for this series!
While 4.5/5" are the most commonly used, I'd love to see 7" grinders dyno'd later on.
This channel keeps getting better! I liked the impact wrench reviews but I personally barely ever use them. But drills and grinders are an every day tools and these videos are amazing! I'll ask for the obvious DeWalt brushless and the older brushed since it's still being sold. Good comparison
Sweet!! Love to see y'all testing new types of tools. I've noticed a similar vibration in my brushed Milwaukee angle grinder. With you observing a similar phenomenon on the corded grinder, (and milwaukee's reputation for runout in drill chucks) could you do a short piece comparing runout across brands and tools for these types of tests? It's definitely a quality metric that's easily measurable, significantly affects mfg cost, is under-reported to consumers, and directly relevant to the user experience.
These days you really have to wonder why and how they fail to balance the rotors on their tools so bad.
@@BL-yj2wp My guess is just cheaping out on QC for brushed tools since the brushless tools are profit drivers
@@thejo6331
Probably. They‘re making bank on that grinder, it‘s a $15 tool sold for $84.
I love these videos, you, Project Farms, and Linus Tech Tips labs are making a motion for more informed consumers and frankly being able to call companies out on their bs is a great breath of fresh air.
I recommend adding a motion sensor of some sort to be attached to the handle for testing vibrations, which would be useful for anyone who uses them a lot.
Also, a usage video for reference would be very helpful, the tool can go up to 500w is nice but can you hold it at that power output? What can you do with that type of wattage, how much is 200 equivalent to? Is that grinding rust away or is it cutting through something?
LTT should not be counted in the same category simply due to their extreme reliance on sponsorships (probably more than any other YT channel, to be quite frank), meaning there's no way to know if the content they produce was unduly influenced by the vendors or not.
@@bjn714 based on the 4 hour WAN shows I watch (lol), Linus will be very straight forward and no BS.
There are commercial vibration measurement devices, and I don't think they're very expensive. Project Farm has used them several times.
@@narlycharley maybe in those unscripted moments of the WAN Show, but when the other 99% of the content they put out is heavily sponsored, you can't rely on them as being unbiased. It's just a money-making operation for Linus these days, which means adhering to the advertisers requests above all else on the sponsored videos.
@Taistelupelto420 still makes it impossible to trust the content as unbiased, since you have no way of knowing whether they're capitulating to the advertisers' requests or not, since they don't have to make the contract terms public.
I like it. For sure the Bauer with the big battery available now would be cool. And obviously dewalt, Ryobi, hart and rigid. I use a cordless brushed Bauer quite often and have been impressed with it compared to an old 19.2 craftsman and dewalt 18v I used to use.
Really looking forward to watch the flexvolt in this series 🎉
I have the Bauer corded paddle switch model and I honestly love it. I ran it for about 7 minutes nonstop the other day and it barely got warm on the head to the touch.
Old school welder fabricator here. In the early nineties I bought a corded grinder from Mac, just a slightly modded Black and Decker, and it works it's heart out. The original Black and Decker grinders were unbeatable for price and output, the newer ones just feel cheap.
Bauer is just rolling out there 8ah batteries, it would be interesting to see that.
Yep the 8ah uses the 21700 cells just like the bigger hercules batteries. The 12ah has been announced as well but not available yet.
2:41 I love the analogy. Since that's all they give us that's what I've come to judge power output but it sure would be nice knowing real specs.
Ready to see the full range of battery grinders from all the major companies. Owning a mobile welding business battery grinders are great when in pipe racks and having one that runs for a while definitely helps
Would be awesome to see each brand's bottom, middle, and top offerings head to head. Example dewalt dcg412 vs dcg416 vs dcg440
The newer Bauer tools have made me a big fan. I haven't been disappointed yet with a Bauer purchase.
How fortuitous, I was just looking at reviews for the Herc last night lol Keep em coming! Can't wait to see some tests from the likes of Milwaukee M18, DeWalt Flex, and Makita. Would also like to see more corded options since you dont have to worry about runtime and they are usually cheaper than cordless counterparts. Keep up the great work!
I have a DeWalt DCG416B. It would be awesome to see what team yellow brings to the table and if the flex is worth it. Keep up the good work!
Much appreciation for this new testing series, angle grinders are very subjective reviewed and compared. I also appreciate the input of vibration you mentioned on all as with welding and fabrication long time use with vibrations leave my wrists and fingers numb. I would like in future installment compare the brushless corded angle grinders like Metabo HPT.
Between this channel, AVE, and project farm, I haven’t bought a junk tool in years
Keep up the great work!
I greatly appreciate and respect y'alls time and money in performing these tests!
If ever in the budget, I would love to see the M-18 brushed and brushless angel grinders subjected to the same tests and eventually evolving into testing other "leading brands"?....
Thanks fellas!
You guys kill it every time! Kudos for the in depth reviews!
I want to see every cordless angle grinder milwaukee makes as well as their 11 Amp corded. Love your work, guys!
I bought the Hercules about 2 months ago and I'm very pleased with it. It's a good grinder with the 5 amp battery. With the 8 amp with the high draw cells it turns into a beast. I usually have a 7 inch cut off wheel and you really have work it harder than I want to hog a cutoff wheel to get it to stall
Gotta see the DeWalt 60v 4.5-6" grinder, great work as always!
Hope this series starts doing real numbers in the algorithm, loved getting to finally see what's going on behind the scenes on these grinders, would love to see how a corded vs cordless Dewalt stacks up as I've used the cordless before and absolutely loved it, also at some point I'd love to see larger grinders tested out
WTF are you? 😳
I work in maintenance in a large factory and our corded grinders never leave the workshop and out on the plant we no longer take hacksaws or struggle with tight bolts , battery grinders with a 5aH battery for the win !
Thanks for this comparison of Bauer vs. Hercules. I would love to see how they rate against the Milwaukee 2881-20, to help in my decision on which one to purchase.
Would love to see this testing on the dewalt flexvolt grinders and the fuel Milwaukee grinders from 4 inch to 10 inch
Excellent video. The Bauer really surprised me with its performance for the price. I was also surprised that both the corded and cordless Bauers looked to have very good ventilation on the head. I did not notice much if any air flow through the head designed for the Milwaukee or Hercules. Very nice testing setup. Thanks so much for sharing this information with us!
I own the 8A Bauer and have used it fairly rigorously for about a year now and haven’t had a single issue with it. Well worth the money.
Also, as an electric motor mechanic and winder we use amps as a more accurate measurement of output power. Amps= watts x volts. In an induction motor at 120v, 1HP is 12A (give or take depending on efficiency). Being brushed motors may change that ratio but I’d assume it’s still a direct correlation. So ,in theory, more amps=more HP. In the induction motor world, manufacturers can lie about HP output but cannot lie about amps. I can pull 10 different 1HP motors and have 10 different amp draws. But they amps draws are supposed to be accurate.
Great test! I'd love to see you come up with a way to quantify vibration; it's pretty important for those of us who use a tool for long periods of time.
Great stuff, the runtime test is very informative.
Angle grinders really drain the batteries, like a string trimmer, because of their continuous use, unlike the intermittent operation of a drill or chainsaw.
I have to keep at least four 6AH batteries on hand if I'm going to make a day of it (while charging the expended ones)
This series came just in time for me. I've been looking into getting a new angle grinder (preferably cordless). Wasn't quite sure which one would bring the most oomph for the $$$.
for me, the consideration I put into buying angle grinders is primarily comfort. I prefer rat tail grinders over all other types, and I only have 2 cordless angle grinders and way too many corded ones because the run time of cordless is honestly a major turn-off.
edit: I'd also like to add that for a cordless grinder to be worth it for me, I'd probably need to use a 12ah battery which would come with huge draw backs considering both added weight and cost
I feel exactly the same as you
Yeah idc about "beans" on a grinder. They use a ton of power. Battery just doesnt' make sense
You guys do a great job of testing and ranking on all of your videos,
Thank you very much. 😊
Love the run time testing with the Cordless tools very nice test setup
I’m looking to become a locksmith, so a good angle grinder is incredibly important, just in case, I can’t pick those stubborn locks, please keep this up!
Just a little note on the heat. Ive found if you take apart the head and pack more mollie into it, they will heat up on use but then cool down if you allow the fan to do its job free spinning. Any grease with molybdenum disulfide in it will work, just smear a bunch more into it so it doesnt just fling it to the case.
In the 20 years I've worked in heavy fabrication, the 4 1/2" was the grinder of choice (easily used in one hand,) followed by the 9"
Honestly, kinda glad that HF stomped all over Milwaukee's grinder. I've never liked Milwaukee's grinders in all the years that I've been doing metal work (Corded or cordless). Would love to see you test the Metabo HPT and Metabo grinders, since those are the ones I've used for the past 6 years. Same with the classic 4.5 Makita.
This testing would be neet to see on 7 to 10 inch angle grinders
Thanks so much for making this video! This is exactly what I was wondering about and search for! I would be really curious to see the Dewalt DWE402 "11 amp" 4.5 in angle grinder. I'm curious about the idea of a cordless angle grinder but I'm really wondering how much I could really do with one and which one to get. I would love to see the DCG413. This is one of the best channels on RUclips.
Honestly I love this. Cordless grinders so far have just been a pick-n-pull solution and for shaping motocycles seats on my end but if I could get 20 minutes run time out of one while having even 70% of the umphf of the low end Bauer corded, it would be a revelation.
We normally have 4 grinders chucked up with different wheels for a cage build day but if the flap disc one (only one used in car and out) could be cordless...game-changer.
Thanks you guys are the best! It would be awesome if you tested one of the fuel angle grinders. I've been toying with the idea of getting one for awhile now.
Perfect tmiing. I'm looking to buy an angle grinder, but I can wait a few weeks to see what comes of this. Project Farm's analysis was helpful, but this dyno idea comes at it from a different.....angle.
Project farm also didn't test the best one: dewalt 60v grinder
Thanks for another great video. I'd be curious to hear some clean audio from when you're running those tests. Not for each tool to compare levels but just to know what the testing sounds like. Thanks again!
Hope you can do more Bosch tools.
Just got a Bosch GWS 18V-15 SC, that claims 1500W equivalent. The adjustable speed made it possible to use with a wire brush that normally shakes you and the grinder so bad its unusable. And when the grinder starts jumping using the wire brush, it automatically stops. So far I'm glad I got the top of the line model.
I’ve been a Dewalt person for years but lately I’ve been going Hercules 100%. Everything breaks with usage, why not spend less money and have a similar outcome?
Thank you for conducting tests on these angle grinders. I have been using the Bauer 8 amp angle grinder for several years and it has performed exceptionally well. However, I am considering upgrading to their battery-powered brushless grinder. I already own several 5 Ah batteries and recently discovered that an 8 Ah battery is now available in stores. It would be interesting to see how the performance of the Bauer cordless angle grinder compares when tested with their new 8 Ah battery, particularly in comparison to the Hercules brushless grinder with their 8 Ah battery.
I have the craftsman V20 brushless grinder as well as the Hart 20v brushless grinder and I'd love to see how they stack up in comparison to the ones you tested on this video.
Thanks for another fun and educational video!
It'd be interesting to see a metabo hpt ac brushless or DeWalt corded brushless tested, the price hike from a brushed to the corded brushless is pretty noticeable
Very excited to see if you will be testing the new Bauer 8 AH battery since it should be hitting the shelf at your local HF any day now. Thanks for the awesome video!
In my shop I often have to grind for many hours at a time which makes corded tools a no brainer. My two work horse grinders are the dewalt DWE402 and the Hercules HE65. Id love to see how my favorite grinders stand out against the ones you've tested in this video.
Love the new concept of testing grinders. Would enjoy a 6” Milwaukee grinder video
In New Zealand Hitachi corded angle grinders appear to be most generally used and robust. Cordless, just whatever your chosen platform.
This channel is amazing. Everyone is like “just get a Milwaukee”. But this channel shows you there are similar tools for a fraction of the cost. I don’t bow to any teams. If there’s a good deal to be had, I go for it. I do have mostly Rigid stuff, but I also have a ryobi pressure washer and ryobi blower and weed eater. My pole saw is made by Kobalt. Pretty sure I have a Hyper Tough drill around here. My drill bits are Husky along with my socket wrenches and torque wrenches
The Bauer corded angle grinder (7 watt), is an absolute BEAST. No battery rundown interruption to constant full power work until the job is done. The $29.99 price means that I can work this grinder as hard as I want, and it ends up out working me !
I deeply love how excited you guys are about this
Ok Im up for vid of the 454 suburban! Great vid as always so real test results and putting a lot of work into them
I would love for you to get a automatically controlled load. You could do like a dyno run of the tools where to increase the load from 200W at 5W/s or something until they stall. This would be like engine dyno testing and allow for a cool animated graph
For the rithm. Interesting results. Looking forward to seeing more brands. I'm interested in seeing the 60V DeWalt myself.
Pretty cool that you got some other RUclipsrs to help out making the parts you need
Love to see the kobalt 24v grinder tested(KAG 424B-03).
Far as I know, it's an older model. Has soft start feature, battery life is around 10min if cutting with disks on a 4ah. It was a good price when Lowes had it for $100 with a battery starter kit.
I'd be happy to lend you mine, it's got only a little use on it.
I’d love to see that one too. I like the Kobalt dual action polisher. Measurements suggest that it has lower vibration than almost any other dual action polisher. And it’s really cheap.
Nice to be in Europe. I bought 2800W corded angle grinder for 33$. An it will run circles around anything running on 110V or battery.
Dang, hold on tight I guess!
Was just looking at buying the hercules. On sale now with tool + 8amp battery for $120 and get the fast charger for $75. That's a steal for under $200.
Excellent video and information. Will you be adding the new Bauer 8Ah battery in the future and adding new leveled tool tests with it in mind?
HF still has that 58089 for $10 locally. I haven't been in or around a metal shop in the last 5 years that each table doesn't have 4 or 5 of them hanging with different wheels on each.
That corded bauer is impressive during testing
I am so stoked about this series! I can't wait to see the big name brands. I like my corder Milwaukee but if I'm pushing it I grab my fuel all day everyday. The corded is weaker than the original m18 grinder😢
I have the Milwaukee 7amp, got it roughly 4yrs ago. All of it is true, I was using it today actually as I had a good bit of grinding and the fuel grinder is a battery serial killer. 1st time in a long time I've used it heavy. I actually thought the grinding disk I had was on wrong it was vibrating so bad, and it did get rather warm. Has plenty of power for normal grinding cutting, but my hands started to hurt from the vibration. Cutting disk isn't so bad
We MUST see the DeWalt DCG418 on this bench!😁 Also the DCG416VSB would be interesting too, to see if there really is a "FlexVolt Advantage" on a 20V tool.
nice work, it would be cool if you tested some of the corded 7 inch angle grinders that have 10-15 amp motors.
Please test the Ridgid brushless 4.5” grinder. Thanks. Love the channel.
Waiting for the Dewalt 60v (418, 440) units to show up on your comparison.
I think the corded grinders, even the big boys, could warrant their own video. The runtime on cordless is still a driver to corded
Very good comparisons, I like this angle grinder category, the battery operated are so convenient to use on site with no electric or in the field, I own three different ones, a Bosch gws18v-13c, Milwaukee 2981-20 and a Milwaukee 2880-20 got a piece of metal to cut in a pinch no problem, so quick
I'd love to see a comparison of the Bosch gws18v-45 vs the profactor spitfire. Why can you get one for $80 vs $260.
You need to test some of the 240v grinders, I have a 2200w grinder that's a Monster to use
Vibration is a really big deal. I was using an old corded DeWalt that I hadn’t used in years. I was using it to shape metal for a knife blade. It felt like a lot of vibration but I figure I was only shaping one blank, it couldn’t be that bad.
For hours afterwards, my hands were tingling and felt oddly swollen and just not right. Thankfully, it seems like I didn’t suffer any permanent damage but it was very scary.
Don’t use high vibration tools even if you think it’s gonna be for a little while as an amateur. The damage can be cumulative.
Really hoping for the next content being the metabo hpt with the 36V battery vs the corded adapter and a comparison between the results
As a hobbiest car detailer I would love to see you guys do cordless polishers on this set up.