The Zombi - Tales of Zombies - Haiti - Extra Mythology
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The myth of undead is present in most cultures but zombies are something quite different. We have a very specific image of them, born from Hollywood of the brain-eating shambling undead. But it's a story that has changed and shifted in its many forms. Supernatural horror? Scientific oddity? Or a dire warning of cutting away one's humanity & community?
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In other words, the terror of zombies in Haiti isn’t being attacked by one, but becoming one. I think this point is lost on a lot of people.
Ah, but this is still kept too, although the magnitude is lessened. For what happens when you are attacked by the modern zombie? The disease transmits to you.
I think that’s also been a point in zombie horror, but maybe not as prominent nowadays? Or at least, there’s more emphasis on the scary and grotesqueness of them. But I think this story doesn’t quite center on what you said
e.g. The Flood
Stays like this im most Horror if thought corectly. If you're infected in Zombie apocalypse, won't you beg your friends to gun you down before you're transformed and attack them?
Imagine terrifying it would be to be enslaved in such a way that you can’t even think of freedom. Now imagine that in the minds of people who rose up against slavery.
"Once upon a time the United States military invaded ...." the classics!
"And everybody lives happily ever after... Right? Right?!"
Well so much for the things i said i guess
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What you expect. Everyone do it lol.
“Bu-bbbbbb-but still not an imperialist nation!!!”
i want more of these, mythologies related to modern defaults like zombies and elves, and the various retellings of them to demonstrate their origins
Elves is theories that they came from the first people who settled the birtish isles. Like before the indo Europeans. A
Check out Monstrum, as part of the Storied channel, if you haven't yet. They focus on monsters, of the modern and historical variety, examining the origins and current versions. They did a full-length episode on the history and modern versions of zombies for PBS, too.
There are stories of dwarfs, elves, and giants in Norse Mythology
There IS such a plant that is known to produce a pollen that will make a person totally compliant and in some countries this tree grows wild on the street. Look up 'devil's breath' or scopolamine. Anyone who wasn't familiar could certainly view it's effects to be magic.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the music of the title card
After seeing this video, I can say: We definitely need a Resident Evil game with Haiti as the scenario.
We already had Africa, Eastern Europe, China, some random island... Why not the birthplace of the myth?
Agreed!
It's a mix of that zombie movies in the 50s/60s pre-Dawn of the Dead were pretty much scare mongering about Haitians and black people. Which is why the main characters of Dawn of the Dead are black.
Also the fact that it's yknow. An actual religion
BIOHAZARD heavenly island manga mentions Vodou and even includes a oungan (priest). What would the pathogen be - virus, parasite, fungus - as you can't simply have a person controlled in a BIOHAZARD/Resident Evil Game, you need the zombies to mutate into mini-bosses and bosses.
Yes sooo yesss many yess hear that capcom? YESSSSSS!!?!!?!!!
It already exists, dead island
Old man talking to his grandkids: “We didn’t have it as easy as you kids do. Back in Haiti, the machine guns required a crew, the only médecine available was voodoo magic, and zombies would come outta the sugar plantations!”
Ey yoo
Fascinating stuff, especially how the victim was not really innocent.
he totally had it coming
Looks like the system is just begging for abuse though. Technically you dont even need the council to sentence person to 10 years of zombie. As long as you have the poison anyone can make anyone else into a zombie
@@irispark1381 there's a reason these societies were secret and selective about who was entrusted with the knowledge. Also consider how much he had to do before the community finally had enough. Culturally, this wasn't a fate to be meted out lightly.
Well to be fair we don’t know the Victims side of the story. The whole point is that you should hear ALL sides of the story and I kind of doubt that the bartender and her cabal of witches were as innocent as she claimed.
From what I read in "The Serpent and the Rainbow" by Wade Davis, this is par for the course for how and why people are turned into zombies.
"Hey man, can i copy your homework?"
"yeah, just change it up so it doesn't look obvious."
Zombi Zombie
Somehow, the true story about zombies is both cooler and WAY creepier than the zombies that came after.
I think it's interesting to tell that zombie/zumbi is a word that cames from zumbe,that designates soul or shadow in Kimbundu(traditional language from Angola).
Here in Brazil we had an anti-slavery leader called Zumbi dos Palmares,who had one of the biggest quilombos(place for where the slaves would flee)in America,so yes,it's not only about dead walking on earth,there's history too
I heard about Zumbi and the Quilomobos, the story about these freed slaves' settlements is fascinating, and the fact that these small and remote settlements survived against the Portuguese colonial millitary for so long without even having firearms is a testament for the heroism and bravery of it's inhabitants.
And no, I'm not Brazilian.
I gotta look into that, I know there was a lot of anti-slavery revolts in BR
Planter: Abandons his family, exploits his workers, and collaborates with the enemy.
Preistess: so you have chosen death* then? You have chosen death
*here death means 10 yes of torture and forced labor
I'm amazed this meme is still getting pulled out.
Where "death" = what some poetically call "a fate worse than death", then I don't disagree.
So, you have chosen death?(terms and conditions apply)
As someone who's been doing research on vodou for over a year for a TTRPG character, I really appreciated this episode! The shift from "voodoo" to "vodou" immediately tipped me off that this was going to be something special
The fact that hello fresh sponsored this is hilarious
I find the wording makes it even better.
"Thanks so much to Hello Fresh for bringing this myth to life."
Hello Fresh: Zombie free produce. Guaran-damn-teed.
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Hello!! These fresh corpses!
Zombie video about Poison and they sell Soylent Green
Fitting Sponsoring indeed
*The “e” in the word “Zombie” was evidently only added to symbolise the “EEEEEEEEEEEHHH!”s that everyone made when they heard the story*
thE “E” in thE word “zombiE” was EvidEntly only addEd to symbolisE thE “EEEEEEEEEEHHH!”s that EvEryonE madE whEn thEy hEard thE story
@@NollerDaNielss *E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E H !*
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The bartender’s description of the zombi reminds me of Zombie by The Cranberries. The idea of someone who’s practically already dead and just carrying out some orders/war for some twisted lost reason
One of the very best of the series. They really outdid themselves today. Probably the episode that best reflects the disclaimer at the beginning of each entry.
_Probably the episode that best reflects the disclaimer at the beginning of each entry._
Yup. I love that. "Myths are not stories that are untrue. Rather, they are tales that don't fit neatly into the historical record which serve as a foundation to a culture,... which aren't true." :)
@@Bill_Garthright sometimes they root in a real event but get exaggerated and changed over time. But yeah sometimes there is no real basis that we know of
My mom comes from a small mountain village in the north of Haiti and she told me so many supernatural stories about voodoo, zombis, spirits, lougawou (it roughly translates to werewolf in English but they basically ppl who are shapeshifters that serve dark spirits) and a whole lot of other stuff. I've always found them so fascinating!
I appreciate this episode because of the emphasis on "Perspective". It doesn't run away from how myths and tales are often twisted and changed from person to person, especially when given enough time. Certain contexts are lost, while others are given form and overlayed on top, muddling the original tale's message/myth.
My favorite example is the Wendigo from Indian myth (I forget which tribe) because Wendigos are often confused with Yetis... for some reason... or they're depicted as horse beasts, ice creatures, and even gargoyles. It's fascinating how a tale can be reinterpreted, but knowing the original context of such beings/creatures is just as important, if not more so.
Indian? You mean Native American
"let me tell you what i wish I'd known, when I was young and dreamed of glory, you have no control WHO LIVES, WHO DIES, WHO TELLS YOUR STORY"
Ey Hamilton
Drowning in cups of coffee. My favorite hobby.
The idea of a Zombie Apocalypse has been a thing for a while, but does anyone know how much blowfish venom, oxygen deprivation, and hypnosis it would take to bring that about?
So the OG Disney movie, the 21st century remake, and the actual history
Anyone interested in exploring this in more detail, there's a book called "The Serpent and the Rainbow" that essentially is this tale.
These myth videos are the very definition of 3:00 AM ‘Just one more’ material. Great job!
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I recommend you read "The Serpent and the Rainbow" by Wade Davis (1985). He was an ethnobotanist at Harvard who traveled to Haiti in 1982 to discover what were the ingredients in "zombie powder" like was put in the planter's drink
I read Serpent and the Rainbow years ago. Pretty sure the "planter" in this video is..... Clarence Narciss (sp?) who was referenced numerous times in the book.
I guess this is an excellent example of The Rashomon effect. Kudos to Extra History again!!!
Is it the Rashomon effect, or "once more, with clarity"? It seems like each retelling adds a few more details to the previous telling, and none of them really contradict each other (which is what I associate with The Rashomon effect).
The what?
Hey guys, 3:43 was pretty awkward conceptually.
I was very confused for a moment, trying to figure out why a voodoo practitioner would make a weird severed hand salad.
Then I remembered that your artists don't draw arms on their characters. :\
A healthy arm salad!
@7:49 I love the inclusion of George A. Romero in this game of Folklore Telephone!
You know what, the history of "Zumbi dos Palmares" would make for a great series.
Def should consider a 1-off of the American Occupation of Haiti: atrocities, modern slavery, and all of America's laundry they conveniently skipped in school. Whenever Haiti is in the news, remember how/why it became so desolated.
tbh eh should do the complete history of haiti
They voted for a guy who was a self-proclaimed death god and you think it’s OUR fault that Haiti is in its current state?
@@jtmartin1170 Well I think a few Americans voted for the giant meteor of death; so you know
Sees a horde of zombies and goes to bed. The ultimate "not my hecking job" moment lol
8:05 So you're telling me that variants appear when something is passed amongst a large number of people across a long time span allowing multiple chances for change (perhaps even mutation)?
Why does this sound familiar?
For no reason whatsoever I'd like to mention that the concept of "change over time" is conventionally represented in mathematical formulas with the Greek letter Δ (Delta).
It's so interesting seeing the origins behind things like this. I always thought zombies were just something that some novelist In the 30s invented for their spooky story.
The Sergeant kinda has World at War Tank Dempsey vibes with his design
I really liked this narration through different pows. This would be a great format for history videos in general, I think.
Glad that you have finally covered this topic
Can we have something in this vein for Ovid's Metamorphoses? You've covered a lot of myths pulling from his work, but haven't had the chance to give a lot of context for the various tellings of these.
The closest we probably got to the zombie virus is rabies
Rage zombies for sure.
CWD's a close second in my opinion; before you look it up, here's a warning. If you're somewhat squeamish towards body horror, it might not be worth the look-up.
There are plenty of "zombie - creating" animals in nature like one insect lays their eggs on another insect, and the second insect grows inside the first to control the first one.
@@tommyfox854 Doesn't seem to affect humans though. Or am I searching for the wrong CWD?
@@sturestensson9187 You looked up the right one; I know it wasn't what you were expecting, but isn't it close to it?
Here's a scary thought; Rabies + CWD.
Ah the rakshasha(which basically means zombie)are the creatures that even staz charlie blood would like to pick a fight with it which of course actually happen in that prison in the demon realm.
They still have nothing on monkeys, lol.
@@clarkpagels5471 i dont remember that in the manga so the zombies are still powerful than monkeys.
Ah yes Zombi.
Meme man: *appears*
Growing up in Haiti these “zombi” situations are everywhere. Animal planet actually interviewed someone who was in a similar situation.
Hope everyone has their Zombie Plan up to date
Yep. I mapped out the paths the remaining humans will likely take to escape us after we're zombified and worked out where to be to cut them off when I lose my sense of reason. I also bought a metal collar and a helmet so they can't decapitate or headshot me.
Nice try, you're not finding my bunker
Nice try, I know what you are up to, Yuri.
you guys are getting way too good at this these 3 stories were weaved together seamlessly well done indeed
Only recently learned how brutal the US occupation of Haiti was
One of my favorite things to do is to take myths and find out the original sources, the reasons behind their telling, and historical contexts. You learn surprising things when you dig deep enough.
"Drowning in pots of coffee at the bar across the street..." Send drunks home because they're falling asleep at the bar and cutting off the doctors because they don't sleep enough...
I’m sending this link to my previous history teacher just because you talked a little about how and why you need to be sure about where we get our information
This was riveting, this could be a movie
8:06 sneaky Loki reference there
Great show
Ah ye, would be real neat if you guys did more myths from the Caribbean
My favorite mention of zombies in myth is when the goddess Ishtar threatens to bust open the door to the underworld and unleash a zombie apocalypse. Tube "The Decent of Ishtar". The story is pretty badass. She's a badass goddess.
That first story really feels like a “locals fucking with outsiders” story
Looks like spoopy month has come early this year
12 years a zombie, the newest movie in the abe lincoln vampire hunter universe
This sounds like a treatment for a feature-length film.
This is an incredibly well-written video. I love that you framed it through particular perspectives of the same tale. The magical version is from a complete outsider's point of view, a foreigner's. The scientific version is from the perspective of a doctor, a person of science, and yet who is also a native of the culture- thus a member of two worlds trying to bridge both. The last is truly that of an insider's, the poisoner dispensing the rightful due of someone committing social crimes. There's a step-by-step transition deeper into the myth from complete outsider to insider-yet-outsider to complete insider. Bravo!
This was cool! I'd love to see more videos like this.
I wrote so many papers about zombies in university from a religious studies perspective and the roles zombies play in society.
Super greatful for this channel. For drawing, for writing, for...learning lol. Doesn't matter. All super entertaining and informative! Great work on this.
There is always a spec of truth in myths and legends
I'm unsure if this was mentioned in the video, but it's a common misconception that zombies ate human brains/flesh, In truth, that's more the department of the ghoul, a fellow undead usually brought upon by similar means, but whose plans are simply to wander and feed on the living until something stops them permanently.
Not to mention, they're usually ACTUALLY dead. This misconception was mostly brought about by movies such as Night of the Living Dead, though it should be noted that it's still a great film despite its inaccuracy in that regard.
I wish we knew the Victims side of the story. The whole point is that you should hear ALL accounts. Plus I doubt that the bartender and her cabal of witches were quite as innocent as she claimed.
I think you may have missed the cultural context
@@mkvenner2 In this particular case I probably think its irrelevant.
Loved the Loki easter egg in here.
Hearing the story from the different vantage points is really interesting, great video!
I suspected the bartendress from the beginning. Anyway I like these Vodoo zombies a lot more than the modern variety
One of the best videos you’ve done
My grandpa comes from Haiti and he used to tell me stories of Zombi
Definitely one of your absolute best videos. Great work guys. Keep them coming
Your closing statement always interesting...
I love it 🤣💞
Great content, awesome images, very good work
This is why I always thought it was stupid that nobody in the walking dead knew what a zombie was.
LOVE the use of perspective in this story!
I love this! A good friend's father was raised in Haiti and when we were younger he would tell us stories of Men who would disappear from towns and villages and return 5 to 10 years later with little memory of what had happened to them. He would say that they fell prey to Vodou Witchdoctors for money, sins, or spite. It was cool to see that story told here. Brought back a lot of memories.
If zombies eat brains, I think I'm pretty safe
And here I thought that zombies took inspiration from fungus overtaking insects to spread themselves... The more you know^^
Not sure if a joke, but cordyceps unilateralis has been really popular for zombie storytelling because it is the closest biologically to what we expect of zombies. The fungus infects ants brains and causes them to behave in a way that is suicidal forthe host, but beneficial for the parasitic fungus. The any will climb the nearest tree and perch in a leaf. The anne will stay there and steve until the fungus sprouts from the forehead. The fungus then releases the spores to start the cycle again.
Edit: Really fascinating stuff. Research for your own existential dread.
Don't worry, they're already using cordyceps as a treatment in transplant patients..
What could possibly go wrong?
straight outta Haiti!
@@rosiehawtrey 6 Million Dollar Man 2021: "We have the technology. We can rebuild him. Faster, stronger...wait, Steve, what are you-AAAGH!"
Steve: "Brains...."
I always thought it was more like the toxoplasmosis virus.
This is pretty interesting. The concept of a zombie as we know them today has always struck me as a rabies allegory, but there's no trace of that here.
you guys should do an episode on Spanish-American War
This was really well done!
The U.S. Marines were in Haiti for 19 years.
So the bartender was enacting justice on the planter. Not the Sergent or the doctor, but the planter, the one constant in the story.
The Sergent may be part of an oppressive invading regime, but he himself not harming the populace with intensions to harm. He sincerely believes he's helping them, and he's not abusing anyone. He doesn't agree with them, especially in terms of beliefs, but he doesn't give the populace hell for it or say he knows better. He's actually a decent man, who is simply blinded to the faults of the planter because he doesn't know better.
The Doctor is simply doing her job to try and help the world with her want to understand why the planter seemingly died. The Bartender knows her to be a good woman, who is focusing her attention on a different way to help the community. But her oath as a healer means she cannot judge the planter. She's blind to his faults out of necessity. Still, the Bartender knows that their methods can eventually be discovered and can be abused and used in the wrong way. That's why she doesn't stop the doctor. *But* she wants the doctor to start asking the right questions. Because reason starts not with "how" but "why"
I would like to see an Extra Mythology video on fairies. Because, they’re not as sweet in mythology as they seem to be in the Disney movies. I would be very interested to see that
Fun fact: we dont know who named earth
That’s something I never knew I wanted to hear
I do.
And I'm not gonna tell you 😎
That is a fun fact
Chaos if you go by how she was born, or Aethetr in the other version.
GOD made 🌎
Great video as always ☺️
I have an interesting topic you guys can take on next. How about the Chinese hopping Vampire? The Jiangshi? I think that would be a great creature to discuss and educate others about. 🙂
Congratulation. This is probably one of your best shorts, ever.
WOW ! It is like a crime thriling movie . How do you all get those stories ?
I love this so much, this video was awesome
I really think some of those need a Lies-Episode. This one is a prime example...
In Brazil people still allegedly get drugged and withdraw money from their banks without any memories of it, even though the bank teller couldn’t tell they were behaving strangely at the time. The drug is supposedly derived from a local plant, I’m not going to say the name but the active ingredient is available over the counter in low dosage.
Braaaaaaaiiiiinnnnsssss
Oh wow, I love this series!
We had Dracula and now zombies
Why do I feel like they way ahead of Halloween
I want to hear about The Jinn!
Aren’t there stories about King Solomon (or Suleiman bin Daoud in Arabic) capturing and binding spirits into bottles and lamps and rings and such? I thought that was where the stories about genies in bottles came from.
I personally think the inspiration of zombie movies was the attack of the dead men during ww1, and the Germans couldn’t explain it so they thought they actually came from the dead
*WW1
@@Andythespacekid my mistake😅
Love the variant Loki reference near the end.
Thank you for the video.
How in hell did zombies go from being sex slaves to being ravenous for brains?
I think that was Romero's idea with his Night Of The Living Dead movie.
What was it Nicky Flippers said... "When a tree falls in the forest there are 3 stories, yours, mine, and the tree's."
In my country of Suriname🇸🇷 there are many myths. One of them is the myth of the Azema, a female vampire that lives at day as a old lady with a family not related to her but at night transforms into a beautiful woman, downs on her vampire skin and flies during the night looking for a meal of blood, the blood of children. After satifiying her needs, she returns home, takes off her vampire skin and goes back to live as a old lady. The only ways to defeat her is by rub ing her skin in pepper or by placing a bowl of rice at your doorstep with the intention for her to knock over the bowl, she must than pick up every grain of rice and place it back into the bowl, if she drops everything,she will have to do it again.
This was awesome!
...The sad thing is this episode is how I learned about the US occupation of Haiti