Debunking the Pro-Trump Economic Anxiety Myth | The Mehdi Hasan Show
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2021
- The Atlantic’s Adam Serwer joins Mehdi Hasan to explain why the Capitol insurrectionists are part of the tradition of painting Trump's supporters as poor and uneducated when they are anything but.
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You don't have to be poor to be racist.
A *lot* of white racists are poor, however you are right with that one.
@@sawtooth808 - I bet you there are more "middle class and up" that are racist, than poor. I was born during segregation, and after all of these decades, that's exactly what I've witnessed.
@@sawtooth808 which is why playing deprived groups off each other whoever is doing it is a bad idea.
Fun fact! If you have no money at all can't buy food or pay rent you can't afford to travel to Washington...
Fair point unless it is paid for for you.
Man what a great show
I agree. My favorite show around. Always very interesting and insightful. Stay safe.
Look inside any cult, one will always find people who one would think would never join. Get them at that susceptible moment of thinking by appealing to their emotional side of the brain. The saying "here comes another sucker" applies
Excellent report
It doesn’t matter how much money they make, they’re still low class.
janine Chase-Russel so true.
The more they make, the less they’re worth.
it's telling how small business ppl, state representatives, military and police officers smelled an opportunity for fascism and jumped in with both feet
Exactly and the thing is I'm not surprised.
It helps that they already felt entitled
The fact is that it’s a Populist Nationalist movement and you will find people from all levels of society in it. I saw this coming while Trump was running in the 2016 campaign while he made clear his admiration of Andrew Jackson and even publicly visited his grave to lay a wreath on it and after he became president ordered that his portrait be put back in the Oval Office, Andrew Jackson was a cruel Populist and wanted to drive the Native people from the lands so that white settlers could possess it. Even after the Supreme Court ruled against it and ruled that it was their sovereign land he said let them try to enforce it and sent troops in the dead of winter and drove them out of there homes, gathered them up and sent thousands of them on what is called TheTrail Of Tears. The soldiers didn’t even give them time to gather any belongings many didn’t even have coats or blankets or shoes. Thousands died on that March to Oklahoma mostly children and the old people. Populism and Nationalist gives people the right to be cruel to other races for example look what Trump did with family separation at the border and while at a rally in Texas declared himself to be a Nationalist. Nationalism is fake patriotism and the next step often leads to fascism , but at the bottom of it all is white supremacy that formed these movements. I would suggest that everyone look up Populist and Nationalist and it will give you a better understanding of what drives Trump supporters and their motives and goals.
To think white supremacy thrives in poverty then think again. Ideology is a time pass of privileged.
Too true, Priyab. Poor people are too busy trying to survive to have any idle time.
Really poor Whites in Appalachia vote Democratic right or wrong.
They weren't "poor" but they were definitely "low class"
I think it was Shakespeare who said, "Hell hath no fury like a white person's sense of privilege scorned."
Yeah I think I read that, one of Shakespeare best 😂
Good one. Thank you, you made me laugh.
Well said about the term ‘educated elite’
The people who started both the Revolution and Civil War were the rich, upper class land owners. The only people eligible to vote initially were land owners.
The us is showing the world it's true face ...... not exactly the american dream !
just because the minority is loud and ugly doesn't mean they represent the entire country.
Applied phycology, cultivated by a cross section of the Trump Cabal.
It was never about "economic anxiety" -- that was just a comforting EXCUSE. The truth is the main indicators for Trump support were party affiliation and RACIAL RESENTMENT.
They may not be economically left behind, but they are ideologically left behind. When you strip away privilege, particularly systemic, cultural privilege on a multigenerational scale, equality feels like oppression. Whether we like it or not, a certain degree of xenophobia is hardwired into our DNA. It's a millennia old survival mechanism from a time when the other was a direct competitor for survival. Whether we like it or not, it takes work to quiet that instinct, which is why minorities are so easy to scapegoat and why it is so easy for a personality and a message like Trump and Trumpism, to tap into that fear and thrive. We are long passed the point as a society where fear of the other should be allowed to reach this kind of fever pitch, but then we look at the 2016 election, and realize just how easy it can be to backslide into these kinds of outmoded, self-destructive thought traps.
I think it was the reason why people like Nixon were elected, basing their ideology on the premise that white lower middle class and middle class Americans were being deprived of their opportunities by African Americans (Cf the civil rights movement).
As Nixon was a role model for Trump...
@@jmb3608 I agree with you, much as i hate to admit it. A person is smart enough to find reasons to care, given the opportunity. PEOPLE on the other hand, are susceptible to the groupthink that lies at the heart of identity politics, and in that state, we become little more than dumb, panicky, dangerous animals
You need to address this!
I thought they are all a threat. I was pissed all of 2020.
Yeah those were some really “economically anxious” people out there that constructed a fully functional gallows out at that riot on the 6th🙄
A bit disappointed that so much blame is being focused on the extremists and not the big picture of everyone who played their role. If journalism continues to keep framing this as "those who did what they did at the Capital" then it lets a of of people off the hook. You even went so far to talk about poor little Ted Cruz and how he seemed so surprised afterwards. Come on! No, not a good piece.
Texss will hold Cruz accountable..
I get more and more convinced that a lot of those people are Holy Rollers. Their attitude to Trump seems to be religious.
Never about economic anxiety. The "economically anxious" were few in number.
Things are getting so desperate that I'm thinking of forming a political action group called...
Bleak Lives Matter.
The senate needs to confirm impeachment so NO PERSON OF NO PARTY CAN EVER DO INSURRECTION NOR ACT AS DICTATOR. Trump should be banned from ANY POLITICAL OFFICE.
Basket of deplorable's!
No regulation, more tax cuts, no accountability
There is no logic in racism.
We weren't surprised. It was going to happen if they couldn't shut him up.
But we are pissed.
Economic, ideological, IT GIVES THEM A KICK.
And taxation. There is much anxiety amongst trump supporters about taxation
Being poor doesn't automatically mean you're stupid and vice versa.
The more wealthy are concerned about taxation and oil and gas like the pipeline.
CLASS WAR is more like it!
You’re missing some of this. Some of these trump supporters are concerned about the constant pursuit of 1031 exchanges for the ultimate step up in cost basis at inheritance maybe dissolved.
I think title of your article is extremely demeaning - The Capitol Rioters Weren't 'Low Class' - to me means you think most people believe it is only the 'Low Class' that would riot. I understand that is what the article is saying but a better title should have been something like The Capitol Rioters Weren't from the Lower Classes. maybe even this is not as good but something that does not instantly denigrate the lower class should have been used for a title.
Low class isn't in the title
@@along9971 - It is Adam Serwer's article that Mehdi Hasan was interviewing that the article was titled this way.
It is not just about economic anxiety. It goes much deeper than that. These people feel and rightfully so there are on the losing side of the large changes in society. And don’t forget the role of men here. I think this is a topic that is not discussed enough. Men were and are traditionally seen as the provider of the family the ones who will earn the money for the family. But there a fewer and fewer jobs out there to be able to do that. So men have to find another role in life and inside their family. And many men are struggling with that. They feel emasculated. And I think as a man myself the expectations are getting higher and rightfully so. You have to take care of yourself. It isn’t acceptable any more that you are just like you are and everybody has to deal with it like it was in the Generations of my father and grandfather. You have to have a social and emotional intelligence to speak about your feelings and ask for help if you need it. You have to be the one remembering your mum’s birthday instead of your wife telling you. You have a role in raising the children and in taking care of your parents. And you have to deliver and step up your game to find a girlfriend or a wife. And this is a big deal too. And a source of much (sexual) frustration within men who don’t see how to do that. And we know that the feeling of weakness and Frustration combined with conspiracy theories trying to explain that you are not the problem but immigrants, Jews, women, Muslims and I don’t know who or what else, create violent behaviors. These people seem strong but there are clearly not. P.s. excuse my English. This is not my native language.
Exactly!!! The same 9/11 threat levels still exist!!
I never thought Trumpers had their basis in economic insecurity, I always thought it was that Trump validated their bigotry and made it ok for them to show their worst selves.
you should call the show (The Mehdi Hasan Show) in order to attract traffic
or just write (the choice) in the title instead of (The Mehdi Hasan Show)
But also yeah, the overwhelming majority of Trump supporters are NOT poor. They are doing just fine.
And yeah, we NEED to talk about how many occupational therapists are Trumpists. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE INSTRUCTING AUTISTIC KIDS. Do you really want your autistic kid to learn all their life skills from a terrorist?
That's a very shallow interpretation. Of _course_ it's an economic issue. Not the only issue, but to suggest otherwise is very ignorant. These are not people with great education, healthcare, democratic systems, and great opportunities. These are disgruntled people who have had those emotions and state exploited. Economics runs through all those issues. That they had a degree doesn't mean anything. Education is not schooling.
The whole reason they're doing this is because they feel displaced, and had those feelings amplified and corrupted. Fascism spreads when the conditions are right for it, and doesn't when they're not.
It’s both issues. Some join these extremist groups due to economic and some r more driven by race. Often the 2 overlap. We know as income and wealth inequality increase w/in a society, we also see increases in violence, domestic extremism/terrorism, racism, xenophobia, misogyny, suicides, drug/alcohol abuse, maternal/infant mortality rate, associated psych/medical conditions, teen pregnancy, incarcerations, poverty, homelessness, polarization, societal unrest, and decreases in social mobility, life expectancy, math and literacy scores compared to other countries, and trust in government and each other to name a few. I have a masters degree, my brother has a 12th grade edu. I work a salaried job which requires a college degree while he works a union job w/a big defense company. He and I make about the same money but my job isn’t protected, I can be fired much more easily, I have no labor union to fight on behalf for my pay, benefits, safety, or protect me if my employer wants to fire me, I don’t get the nice pension he will get, and I have a large amount of student loans to pay off for many many years to come. This pisses me off! The whole sell on education to young ppl is that college, and the cost of it, will pay off. For some it does, but for many, it doesn’t when u compare pay between union and non-union, higher edu jobs and especially if compare to the Greatest Generation and Baby Boomer generation, most whom had no college, when college was debt-free if they did chose to go, and pay/pension was higher once adjusted for inflation and cost of living. It was normal for most M class families (the greatest generation and baby boomers) to need only 1 working adult to support 2 adults and more kids than most families have today (and this is a contributing factor to the decline of reproductive rate). It began declining for each generation after the boomers. Today, most M class families w/degrees need two working adults for fewer kids. Everyone is aware the economy has changed even if they don’t know exactly what has changed. It’s hard not to notice the all the monopolies and the increase of billionaires over this same period. The $ went from the M&L classes/small businesses up to the upper class and corporations. While some Trump supporters r working class/lower incomes, many r M class, some educated, who r able to afford the basics plus some but many still struggle w/the stresses, limitations, and anger of this capitalism for the few system which we currently have. If they listen to right politicians/media/foreign governments, they r told Dems r giving their money/jobs to black, brown ppl, and women. If they listen to the left politicians/media, at least some, will tell the truth about how income and wealth inequality have skyrocketed since 1980’s, though began increasing in the 70’s. Since 1980, republicans have controlled the house, senate, WH, and Supreme Court most of the time and this is what Republican policies do, more so than Dem policies. We saw the same dynamics and many of the same social issues the last time republicans controlled most of the government most of the time which was 1880-1932. That period took the Great Depression before voters were willing to vote for FDR, a progressive Dem, and Dem congress. They not only saved capitalism, greatly improved America for most M&L class families but also saved the world. The declining and low income and wealth inequality continued bc they voted Dems most of the time until 1980. The Great Depression was worldwide. M&L class Europeans were suffering as Americans were. However, Mussolini took control of Italy in a violent coup, I believe, and Hitler used his violent Storm Troopers to go after the opposition as Trump has done but was elected to take control of Germany around the same time period we elected FDR. Mussolini and Hitler were right-wing fascist who killed a lot of their own ppl, then started wars with other countries. Americans, after WWI, wanted no involvement w/WWII until it hit our shores. FDR did a great job preparing our armed forces knowing Hitler’s plan was to take control of Europe, Russia, UK, and then the US. Fdr quietly propped up the UK and Russia w/weapons, planes, etc until Japan attacked Hawaii which allowed the US to declare war on Japan and Germany. Income and wealth inequality today r similarly as high as the Great Depression period. To improve our country, the unfair economy for the M&L classes/small businesses, and decrease the many social issues (the signs of a sick society), we need to repeat what voters did in 1932, elect a progressive Dem and as many far-left progressives in congress as possible with eventually making the judiciary more reflective of the population, majority liberal. It’s important to understand it takes time to reverse all they’ve done since 70’s/80’s but if we stay the course, we will see and feel things improving. For an idea, it took 1933-1950 before the US hit the most ideal income/wealth inequality we’ve ever had in the US and 1970/80-2020 to reach the very high income and wealth inequality we have today. While we’ll never eliminate all racism, xenophobia, misogyny, extremism/terrorism, drug abuse, violence, suicides, etc, we will see these numbers decrease as the income and wealth inequality decrease.
Very interesting and optimistic, which is quite rare under these videos. We may add that it’s going to be harder to persuade all those people that they have been lied to because of the propaganda and misinformation machines around and the erosion of the school system. It will undoubtedly take time. Stay safe and thank you for your insight.
President Obama also falls for this "economical anxiety" nonsense!!
I think economic anxiety was a factor (especially in the Rust belt) back in 2016. 2020, a much smaller deal than white nationalism and personal cult.
I think Obama is looking at the future, not so much at present events. Don't let the right feed off economical anxiety, they are vested in perpetuating it.
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I’d say many of those Bros were Bernie Sanders supporters in 2015 and 2016.