Old Generations Vs New Generations
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Old Generations Vs New Generations Transformers
Check out part two for the other side of the argument:ruclips.net/video/Bo-tnnQ_WBc/видео.html
Hidden or not, I think kingdom Huffer’s weapon storage is brilliant.
Agreed
Agreed best weapon storage ever
And Cyberverse Adventures Deluxe Bumblebee , also earthrise Sunstreaker
And besides
His weapon looks like the Spartan laser from Halo
if we could somehow marry the transformations and vibes of the older chug figures with the proportions of modern ones, we'd have perfect toys imo
That would be the dream
I also prefer fresh takes, but isn't this also the first time they've made highly accurate g1 figures in the mainline? I could be wrong, but I think every other time has been an homage rather than an actual attempt to recreate what we see onscreen with modern tech. I say let them have it, I'll be happy as long as I get some interesting figures.
My favorite era is probably rotf / hftd too. I feel like they really hit their stride with movie toys or (even better) movie-like toys. Original designs that were not limited by a model made for the screen, yet still had the engineering and aesthetic.
Question is, couldn't other fans just think about something else instead of just G1?? I mean the Alternators series were my favorite toy series in the 2000's because of the realism their car modes looked like.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 K.
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No, not really... Before you continue whining about G1, consider the fact that WITHOUT G1, there'd be NO G2, NO BW/BM, NO RiD, NO Unicron Trilogy, NO Bayformery movie $#!t, NO Animated, NO Prime, No Cyberverse, NO Rescue Bots, NO NOTHING... JUST Gobots probably...
So go ahead and do your whining & complaining about G1, but while you do that, JUST remember that if the rest of US G1 fans weren't buying and demanding the bulk of the TF stuff Hasbro produces... YOU and others LIKE YOU, couldn't get ANY of the figures from series' YOU prefer, at ALL, because for the most part, there's NOT enough of YOU to support entire lines, WITHOUT US putting OUR money down too...
I'm not a G2 OR a BW/BM fan AT ALL, but I don't go around whining about Hasbro producing THOSE figures for fans of those lines to enjoy, because they took up slots that COULD have been used for a deserving G1 update figure... Do you know WHY?
For ONE, I'm not a selfish whiner, and I actually LIKE it when OTHER people get some figures from lines THEY enjoy. If I don't like them, I don't have to buy them, but I don't whine about them getting something I DON'T care for myself. Also, if it's a cool figure that maybe I wouldn't normally like, I can buy one too, if I want.
Secondly, even if I DON'T LIKE a particular TF line, I STILL respect where it came from (G1) and what it represents, with the potential to be something really good... Even that Bay crap, which I hate watching and 97% of the toys, occasionally has some good stuff.
Basically, it begins AND ends with G1, whether anyone likes it or not. That's just how it is.
Constantly whining around about it doesn't do YOU, or anyone else, any good, BUT IT does annoy people, like that constantly buzzing around in your face little gnat during the summer... JUST saying.
Learn to appreciate, or at least develop some respect for certain things, instead of whining relentlessly about them. You'll be a lot happier in life. ALSO, THIS IS A HOBBY, learn to ENJOY it!!! Don't let it control your life.
For the record, as I mentioned, I'm NOT a G2 OR BW/BM fan, BUT when Hasbro produces a GOOD updated (G3) figure derived from those lines, I buy it. I've bought several of the BW inspired Kingdom figures this past year, ALONG WITH those G1/G1 Movie updated figures, and I look forward to hopefully picking up some 2001 RiD inspired update figures for my collection, as I still have MOST of the figures from that line, but would love G3 versions... Same with G2, Unicron Trilogy, etc.,
Stop whining about things and just ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE... Eventually, they'll produce what you want. 😉😅😅
@@shanehai2699 Ok
@@shanehai2699 he wasn't whining about g1 tho? He was pointing out how most transformers fans only care about g1. Also, just because it's the original and we wouldn't have all the other stuff without it Yada Yada Yada, doesn't mean it's automatically the objective best.
A lot of people have said I am biased towards the older toys, and yeah I'm a bit biased towards em. But I do like newer toys, you saw the shelf I have a lot of em. But these three specific examples I like the old ones more. Probably should have added that in the video but hindsight is 20/20. Lol. Hope that clears that up
@@babylonknights1160 I got a universe cyclonus and movie smokescreen for about 20 bucks
Blurr is my pick for the worst SS86 figure thus far. I really like Kup.
@@UnfaithfulServant97 seriously man that sucks I was going to by it! So how bad was it?
@@preceptorprime2894 agree to disagree. I really like SS86 Blurr. To each their own though.
@@megamasher3 ok but I’m still skeptical now
I personally think that we're actually in one of the best moments of transformers right now. The thing that really has made all the WFC trilogy that great to me is the coherence in scale and styling, and the fact that we now have a minimum standard articulation. Of course the plastic is nothing compared to the materials they used to implement in the beginning of the line, but in comparison to what we've gotten in the last 10 years, now the plastic is in an acceptable degree. Another thing that I really consider an improvement is the engineering becoming ultra efficient, making the toys more intuitive while giving space por good articulation. The mayor downside has to be how irregular the QC has gotten, that's the big reason I try to keep me away from Studio series, even I do like the designs, but the geewan stuff and Beastwars too have been so far pretty solid.
Now in terms of design, I do think the re imagining factor was great, but after re-imagining the designs tons of times in every single sub line, having some stuff closer to the source material was good too. Of course I really miss the old quality plastic and the separation of the clear to the solid plastic, but I do believe that the more clever engineering going on right now really makes up for the lacking points.
Now I'm really concerned about the pricing, but is more because how stupidly expensive the dollar in my county has been in the last years goddamnit
I actually very much agree with most of what you said. Yea “G1 accurate” is nice but I really like the new takes on characters which we don’t see that often.
Okay, THANK YOU.
I’ve recently been looking to pad out my G1 ‘modern’ collection. Up until now I’d really only stuck to heavy IDW-centric stuff. (Gen Magnus, Springer, Skids, that sorta stuff!)
But now I wanted to get the full cast. Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Tracks, .. and in choosing… I went with the ‘CHUG’ era ones. Like when looking to get a new Wheeljack (which just arrived today) I went with the Generations one. Someone asked me ‘why not just get the newest ones?’ And I couldn’t quite explain why I didn’t really love the look n feel of the new ones, but you hit the nail on the head. It’s about the quality, the heft, the feel. And in large part still also it’s simply because of aesthetic. The ‘older’ CHUC stuff just had more visually interesting designs and most importantly it had the most fun transformations. New ones feel too simplified. They’re effective, that’s for sure. But I love the creativity of the old ones, that would impact the robot mode more substantially.
I'm definitely biased towards the newer ones because G1 was my childhood, and I was out of collecting from 2008 to 2018.
To me, the current toys look like robots, but some of the older ones look like humans with armor pasted on. Red Alert really feels this way.
I think the older Wheeljack's chest goes down too far. It looked like he's wearing a bib of some kind.
That being said, I see Generations Sargent Kup is available for less than $20 USD on eBay, so I might give him a try. He's the one I like the best of the three you spotlighted.
Dude I love your reviews, I love your content I can respect your biases towards old toys, I actually don't collect much TFs but I do enjoy them, but.....
I feel like your Video Essay or writing could be a bit better in this, yes I know you're biased to the old stuff I respect that but it just became so stale I fell out the video midway
Just commenting here idk if I'm just not getting it but I honestly think your script could've been better written cause hearing "the old stuff is so much better" 100 times gets kinda stale. Not hatin dude believe me I just don't think this was that well written.
Yeah I will agree with you on that a bit. This was longer than my normal content and having to write a long script was a bit meh for me. It def could have been done a bit better.
Thanks for the feedback
Hey man I wanna see you succeed and I love the fact u take a look at olds figures cause they were really really good.
Goodluck mate u still got a lot of videos here I dig a bunch so DW I'm not just throwing random shade
Appreciate it bro
Animated is definitely my favorite line. The figures are simple to transform, but they use that to great effect. The figures all try to do something unique.
Plus they look like they came out of the TV especially jazz and bulkhead there awesome
I ended up replacing my Earthrise Wheeljack with the Kingdom one because the paint chipping was so bad, the silver for his mask was almost gone after a few months or maybe a year.
It's more like a shotgun than a sniper rifle, honestly.
No thing can stop or beat the art of the nostalgia lmao
My favorite line will always be cybertron. Because of nostalgia but I still play with my old cybertron toys and they hold up so well over a decade later. Also the designs are so kino and iconic.
Well old figures have no exact source material to be inspired by. Hence the designers have more freedom to engineer however they want the figure. While the g1 figures need to accomplish both an accurate robot mode and vehicle mode. And now old figures cost like crazy and I don't really like the articulation and design choices. Thus I prefer new ones better
My favorite lines will always be the 1/24th scale with seats/cockpits that can fit figures, so Human Alliance and Alternators. A lot of Transformers media have been about the interaction of Humans and Transformers so having those reflected in the toys will always fascinate me.
For me, my first and favorite toy line was DOTM as in my opinion, some of them gave the definitive version of the character like sideswipe or ratchet. Never got the studio series version of these characters bc I saw no need, unfortunately I was too young to realize just how good generations figures were bc I didn’t know anything about g1 and when I came to, I realized what a good line I missed.
Thanks for remaining me why I passed on SS86 Kup, opting to keep my Gen. Sargent Kup (with the cygar head). Yeah some of the older figures could actual hold their weapons with 2 hands. Speaking of Optimus, I do like the Earthrise one, he's amazing but every now and then I have to mess with the old classics Prime. That thing feels like a WEAPON compared to the new ones.
Its all good until your united wheeljacks feet crumble to pieces around the balljoint meaning no fixing whatsoever, give me earthrise anyday, my classics red alerts feet have trouble supporting him and weird knee pads dont look right so kingdom all the way. SS kup can go take a leap straight into the bin though, ive got (imo) the best version of him with the takara repaint titans return version.
I'd love for this to be a ongoing series. I love when people compare the old stuff to the new stuff.
If you want G1 accuracy then buy the masterpiece figures (though by all means, stay away from the Arcee figure). Granted they're very expensive and a lot of them are completely sold out, though if you can get your hands on some of them for a reasonable price, then go right ahead and get what you want.
I have to completly disagree with everything you said. I owned all of them and switch ed
Dang, you really nailed it in many aspects, man! The newer figures merely give the illusion of fun. That's the truth. (They often lose their charm in a couple of hours.)
Furthermore, Kup & Wheeljack also had C-Clip tech; while Red Alert was multi-presentable, over and above 5-mm compatibility & integrated weapon storage in both modes. (Clearly, the older designers were simply more passionate, man!)
PS. Was there since the very beginning of Classics, then Henkei (2006 onwards).
Not sure this video was at all necessary. The new toys are objectively more show accurate and toon accurate, and many would argue (including myself) that we’re currently in the golden age of TF generations toys. But none of that matters because you very rarely look at these things with a proper eye because you’re so obsessed with the older toys. Which is totally fine, to each their own, but it doesn’t make for a good video concept when everyone following your channel knows no matter what you’ll choose old toys. Anyways, good luck moving forward.
Who cares? It's the fans' own fault for being obsessed with G1 since that's all they ever care about.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 what? 😂😂😂
@@papermelon It's their fault because they never allow me to enjoy the other Transformers cartoons I grew up with like Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy,RID 2001, Animated, and Prime just because they're not like their precious favorite G1 cartoon.
I was born in 2000, with my first Transformers exposure being through the films/animated. The newer toylines feel so much more cookie cutter than the older stuff. Plastic quality and size of the older guys is unmatched by today's "standards."
ROTF/HFTD is the pinnacle of Transformers toy design imo (also have a soft spot for DOTM, despite mechtech). HFTD Terradive is a masterwork of Transformers toy design that has yet to be topped.
My favorite transformers toyline of 2000's is animated, I missed those days of transformers toys...
I think overall its very dependant on the figure. Both lines have big ups and downs. I think the newer lines have definitely made their quality and standards in terms of transformation and articulation more consistent, but that means you get less stand out figures. The older lines to me, were a bit all over the place. You'd get some incredible figures, but others were just ok. Some of the newer stuff just feels like a mini masterpiece though. Earthrise prime and kingdom cyclonus are incredible, with kingdom rodimus being arguably better than the masterpiece.
I prefer some of the older generations because they don't just look like an exact g1 figure
SS86/Buzworthy KUP Was
SUPPOSED TO HAVE His
Ams & Legs EASILY Detach,
As It Was For 86-Film Fans
To Recreate The Scene Where
The Sharkticons Dismantled Him!
You'd MOST LIKELY Ridiclue The
Waist & Legs Of Classics Mirage!
My favorite TRANSFORMERS toy lines are The Unicron Trilogy, The first five movies, Beast Wars, Seige and Kingdom.
I’d rather have the older ones because of build quality, charm, cleverness and creativity. Before the 2000’s is where I would want to *LIVE*! But it’s easier to get newer ones so I live in the new lands.
I respect your opinion but don't share it. Generations Wheeljack/Turbo Tracks looks like a lower price point Bayformer. Like Leadfoot or Topspin Wreckers he has a potbelly and spindly legs. Vehicle mode has lots of style but not enough to make up for the robot. Old Red Alert looks like a G1 repaint on Unicron Trilogy. Ot a bad thing, but paint him blue and watch him pop.i do agree with you on Kup. The old Generations mold is a vast improvement. He looks like a pick up and he looks like a grizzled vet who has a war story for every occasion. I'd go: Earthrise Wheeljack, Kingdom Red Alert for G1 and old Red Alert for Unicron Trilogy, and Generations/Thrilling 30 for Kup.
I Stan old Generations yet most of my collection is new
Hmmm now that I think about it the Sideswipe/Sunstreaker/Red Alert/Punch mold (all three figures were actually repaints of each other with different heads,) the chest for them (when in Sideswipe mode) is kind of weird.
I also Stan reissued Beast Wars toys.
I like the Trilogy figures better, especially Earthrise and Kingdom, because they bring back the nostalgia from both the toys and the cartoon and many cases. I own the 3 old generations Lamborghinis (alert/swipe/streaker) and I don't really care for the robot mode. The old generations Kup truck is pretty sweet, but G1 Kup was one of my first three Transformers, (still own him) so yea... nostalgia again?
I recently started collecting again almost solely due to the Trilogy line of toys. More attainable, afforable and G1 toy/cartoon accurate.
Thanks for the videos!
I like SS86 Kup, but his head is weird, and the QC seems to vary wildly, Generations is very panelled and has a backpack, though I love the headsculpt. Kingdom Red Alert is far superior to the old one, the legs are ugly, the head is messy, and the Kingdom one is just better overall imo. ER Wheeljack is pretty good, a bit stumpy, but not too bad, the offwhite just looks disgusting though. Hope he gets either a premium finish or gen selects repaint. The old one is odd, but in a charming way.
The best part about the older transformers is that they have plastic molded in color while the new ones have painted plastic which chips off over time
Dude, literally everything you just said was just a shit take lol. Generations kup feels like a McDonalds toy. Generations wheeljacj is an absolute dumpster fire, but generations red alert is an alright mold. ER wheeljack is flawless and you cannot change my mind. I love your videos most of the time, but I just can't agree with your take on this lmfao.
red alert as a lamboghini is so much cooler than the ambulance. in my head canon, wheeljack will always be a New Edge 2004 Mustang from Randall Ng and Dr Smoov G1 videos
IMO, new Red Alert is the best one. Old Kup is amazing on his own, but for a "G1" Kup, I think the Titan Return is far superior to the SS86. Much more enjoyable. As for Wheeljack, the tiny windshield panels on his legs that keeps popping off kill the deal, making the old Generations superior.
You are correct. The best Kup is TR, specifically Takara colours
@@izzik2781 I'll have to hunt down the Takara. Not only for the colors, but the molding differences as well, notably the arms and the head. Worth to have both the Takara and the Hasbro side-by-side.
@@lekanraposte6732 it's worth it believe me I picked one up in Japan and it's perfect . Tho don't get me wrong I love the more toy look of Hasbro copy too
What you WANT is Titans Return Kup. Hands down the best Kup. It's awesome. Although I do prefer the Hasbro one over the Takara, but both are better than these two Kups.
Huh, what did you change you finally popped back up on my recommend feeds? Kudos., great vids.
In terms of new figures weapon storage, siege hound has a great way of doing it. The rifle plugging in underneath, the should cannon becoming a type of exhaust and the ammo clip becoming a sort of thing on the back. 9/10 for me
Hound was my first transformer to WFC and man I remember how much of a kid I was playing with it. I haven’t felt that way since Armada.
I think the only one that can even slightly compete with new is kip but it’s a shame because wheel jack could’ve been good but they screwed up the legs and made him a dwarf and I do really like the old red alert mould but not as red alert or sideswipe I wish they just made some rando repaint like the cancelled overdrive
lol I grew up with the Unicron trilogy but have loved every generation of toys tbh. I liked the old universe line, the movie lines, the new ones too. maybe some people just need to stop complaining
IMO…
Generations Kup >>> SS Kup
Generations Wheeljack = ER Wheeljack
Generations Red Alert < Kingdom Red Alert
The generations red alert was a recolour of sideswipe. And as a sideswipe, I think it's better. But as a red alert I might agree the new one is better
I think it all really depends on one’s priorities. I used to be the guy who would have gotten all 3 Kups. Nowadays I’d probably only get one, maybe two considering the uniqueness of the 2012 version. Though I’d probably go with the Titans Return Kup as opposed to the Studio Series, G1 accurate enough for my taste while still being a well built figure!
Typically, my first priority is a functional and good looking robot mode, what that look is doesn’t matter. What does matter is how that figure looks among other figures (ex: Cliffjumper has to be the same height as Bumblebee; the Seekers all need to be the same mold; etc). Matching aesthetic is also important to me. Not to say that a Cybertron mold doesn’t have a place on my Generations shelf, but sitting Botcon Scourge next to Kingdom Cyclonus doesn’t look right to me. So a lot of times I get a lot of newer figures because of their more unified aesthetic.
Probably a really hot take, or possibly not, but I quite enjoy the studio series live action.
hasbro's newer generations stuff are trying to focus more on show/movie accuracy. While i appreciate it, i do wish hasbro adds some gimmicks something like the old version stuff and as high quality as before.
Yeah, pretty much sums up why I outgrowned G1 since I kept seeing it's stupid toxic debate between that and Bayverse all the time, luckily the only Transformers cartoons, toys,and,movies I'll stick to are the Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, Bayverse (2007-2011) and Alternators for now on.
now is the golden age for looks, definitely not for price and quality of materials.
Even though they're bigger and presumably have better quality plastic (I've only been collection Transformers for a few years), the new figures seem a lot cleaner and better proportioned than the older ones, source material accurate or not.
I 100% agree with I also favor the older transformers figures
I love the hftd, dotm, prime first edition and rid toy lines mainly because those were the ones Out when I first really got into transformer
Im still upset we never got Orion Pax retooled into Kup. I think that would have been a great figure.
After looking at ss86 kup and blurr, I honestly want to buy the titans return version or the classics version
In case of VS comparison, I mostly agree in case of the "whitch one is better". The only one I truerly dissagree is in case of the look's for Old Generation Wheeljack. Where ER/KINGDOME one look's better.
Meh, oh well.
Guess I'll just stick to the Alternators then since I don't usally understand the hate the old toys get these days :/
I own pritty much all the current and generation and G1 figures . When I look back when I collected generations Red Alert , Wheeljack ect there was always this feeling in the fandom we loved them but we just wanted what was in the cartoon . Now we are getting that and I have to say IV not had any real QC issues ect with any of them I'm pritty much happy (if anything I'm looking at my masterpiece collection and wondering if I'll sell some lol) but the other side effect from getting what you want is now I can relax and appreciate the generations figures alot more as there not my definitive rendition of that character and I love playing with them alot more . Keep up the good work btw love your content 🙂
when talking about actually being toys, the unicron trilogy (mainly armada and cybertron but also some from energon) will always be my favourite. Armada megstron still stands on my desk.
I grew up with those so I know I'm biased but unicron trilogy stuff is just so fun ya it has its lemons but some of those gimmicks can be a blast
its weird to knock a studio series figure 86 for being the original design
I won't buy the newer toys. When I noticed the quality of the plastic getting worse and the prices going up I just stopped buying. And now they have no appeal for me. If I really need a G1 accurate figure I will look to the Masterpiece line. Then realize I don't really want to pay $90+ for any of these figures anymore and move on.
You can find them cheaper afterwards at ollies, ross, marshalls tjmaxx, burlington.
I've been collecting CHUG since 2006 with Classics Op/Megatron. I have the Sergeant Kup and Unitied Wheeljack in this video. I agree with you on Kup. I was tempted in getting the SS86 one,but I felt the headsculpt was bad and the arms look too emaciated. 2011 Kup looks old and grizzled in a good way imo. However some older figures were duds like Universe Galvatron. Kingdom Galvatron is probably the finest CHUG iteration of him. I do like them experimenting with alt modes sometimes like Universr Onslaught and his swat form. Siege Ironhide is significantly better than Universe Ironhide imo. I'm just rambling but this was a good idea for a video.
The problem with SS86 Kup head is the angled chin they added, making the face longer and giving him a comical frown. I shaved some of the chin off and he looks way better or mine now, with a shorter face giving him a sterner look.
"G-1 TRANSFORMERS","ALL DAY"! 💪💪
13:59 dont worry bro its movie accurate.
While show accuracy is cool, I miss gimmicks, like lights and sound, mech tech, etc
Might have to send ya some cow manure.
In my opinion, old Generations (and the original CHUG lines in general) is generally better. Engineers weren't limited by having to emulate the G1 look, resulting in vehicles that arguably looked better than the G1 modes, and featured innovative transformation techniques. The weapon storage was great. It truly lived up to the "Robots in Disguise" motto; the accesories complemented the alt mode instead of getting in the way. And let's not talk about partsforming.
Obviously, there are exceptions, I think the 2008 Ironhide/Ratchet mold suffers from too many design flaws (sunken neck, bad articulation, giant backpack) to be considered good.
While Universe's "Datsun" mold (Bluestreak, Smokescreen, Prowl) is good, WFC's is better. Other exceptions include Warpath, Hot Rod and Cyclonus, while their old molds are nice on their own, they just don't compare to the WFC/SS86 versions
Transformers are fun toys first and the most important part of a Transformers toy is transformation. It's literally the main gimmick and name of the brand.
Plastic comes second and the plastic on old stuff is WAYYYYYYYYY better. I said it before and I'll say it again, this plastic's particles hold together so powerfully, their density can absolutely crush the sun
The designs are more realistic
There's more charm and nostalgia with the old stuff
Ball joints and screws are much easier to repair than pins
More features and references
Yeah old stuff is the bomb and not just for Generations, but other shows, especially the movies.
Here I was envious of your new red alert. Ready for you to bash the old figures. What a twist that the old ones are quite competitive with current generations.
I collected all of these, definitely was a good, affordable time to collect. I really like the cybertron/galaxy force toys. The cybertron Defense team up against modern generations decepticons is not a fair fight.
I've been buying transformers figures since 2011 I think and yeah those figures were pretty good actually very good but i think you're getting TOO bias on older figures ya know.
Even on older videos how you explained that you like the packaging better on older FIGURES (which i did too so i have no problem with that), and quality and bla bla bla.
But i think you're giving the new figures a rough time you know i feel like you talk about older figures more than newer ones and i feel like you're a bit too harsh on newer figures (pls correct me if im wrong) but then again opinions may vary.
There are a lot of new figures I like and prefer over their old ones. I don't talk about the new ones a lot because there are loads of people on the platform that do that already. Yes I am biased towards the old ones and those I talked about in the video I picked because I had their old and new toys. But there are a bunch of examples where the new ones are better and I agree with those comparisons too
@@ThatToyGuy No wonder people were so obsessed with G1 all the time, which I'm glad I didn't since I outgrowned G1 and watched something else Lol.
That was the point of the entire war for cybertron series, to give us updated figures of character's original G1 design. They've taken liberties with perverting character designs since G2 and before siege the only G1 accurate figures were masterpiece styled. It is inevitable that they will go back to their perversion of the G1 designs they call 'Generations.' Look at Legacy
I'll do that, right after I burn my memories of G1 since the G1 fanbase is toxic whenever it hates on the ideas I liked called Micromasters and Pretenders.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 do what exactly? There's nothing wrong with liking what you like. People even like the same thing for totally different reasons. It's just a matter of preference
Siege red alert is amazing. Still haven't got the earth mode one. But red alert is what got me collecting again.
Personally I prefer the newer figures because they have better body proportions and as the video says, they look better for display.
Agree with the weapons storage issue, Generations Arcee in car mode had a specially prepared gap to store the big and for the small gun there was slot placed between the hands keeping them in place.
Why do you hate old stuff so much? :/
Why not both? I have been in the game almost 20 years now and have a all of these. I agree that the originals have more solid alt modes and that is how I display them now. I think the old ones fall flat is the bot modes. They have far more kibble or gaps. The proportions are weird. Wheeljacks chest looks like he hits the bar too often. The arm panels on the Lambo mold and kup are just awful. Kup's feet are a major eyesore with the size and huge gap.
Again get both. I have G1s, Alternators, CHUG and MP. If you enjoy the toy then you win!
I think my problem with the older ones you showcased is that despite their vehicle modes, which are great, the robot modes just look super unpolished. I don't know what it is but while they do sort of look like the character, they feel kind of messy with the design, and I appreciate that the newer stuff almost always has a certain etiquette to them that makes them look like actual anatomy.
Best comparison is that the newer stuff looks more like season 2 beast wars toys like the transmetals and fuzors, where the old stuff is like the first year. It's definitely not bad, but you look at rhinox cheetor dinobot and Wolfang, and then compare it to transmetal cheetor, quickstrike, and Injector.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile I agree with red alert and wheeljack to an extent, but generations kup looks amazing in robot mode. He dosent look unpolished at all imo
@@nachoprime9649 he looks like beast machines rattrap
@@AwesomeMooseSmile I dont see that whatsoever
Dude, don't you have anything else to do besides hating the old Beast Wars toys?? besides show accuracy is overrated.
*Old Generations was basically a mix of G1 and Bayverse BEFORE Bumblebee. In fact, some generations releases canonized characters into the Bayverse such as Lugnut!*
My collection is almost all old CHUG like 06-16 . They demolish the new figures aesthetically as well as build wise. I grew up with UT so I don't care about toon accuracy, most G1 toon designs look like shit hence I adore the modern takes. Plus I got them all for cheaper than new toys because G1ers were selling them for being 'outdated' despite being better, so thank you guys :)
I definitely prefer Modern Aesthetics, like the Kingdom Red Alert , that's the only one of those toys I have. But Old generations Kup has better vehicle mode than Studio Series. I feel the Old Gen WheelJack looks too much like G1 toy not the cartoon. I don't have those Wheeljacks but I have Transformers Prime Beast Hunters WheelJack which is a very different design.
The old Kup definitely needs the iGear head upgrade, the default one is so ghoulish
Huh. Looks like old Red Alert's transformation was retooled for Gigawatt, that BTTF x Transformers toy that released a while back
Okay I'm glad I'm not crazy about the black plastic LOL. For some reason in Earthrise, a ton of the black plastic looked kinda green under a light or if I painted black on it, it would look very different. IDK if that's a Covid thing or because every trilogy has the weak toyline with less funding (which was Earthrise for WFC) but it was something I kept noticing.
• United Wheeljack: I do not like the color and deco on the United Version, specially the green they used, I prefer the Generations Wheeljack's deco and color.
• Earthrise Wheeljack: My Definitive Wheeljack so far, beats the Generations mold both in Bot and Alt Mode IMO.
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Generations Red Alert: Ah the Universe Sideswipe mold, It's okay for what it is during its older but dead CHUG scale, it exists but compared to its modern counterpart..
Kingdom Red Alert: My Definitive Red alert for the current CHUG scale. Better at everything than its older counterpart.
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Generations Kup: (Where's the Titans Return mold, that mold is amazing) The only figure in this video that kicks the modern Studio Series 86 figure, I love the earth mode they gave him (unlike Generations Wheeljack and Generations Red Alert who already have their earth modes). Very fun transformation for me. The better figure against its modern "sad" counterpart.
SS'86 Kup: Sad Boy. The proportions are a bit off. That face, that very sad elongated face. -- on a better notes: good articulation, alt mode is G1 spot on.
Idk who to choose
Well now that I think about it I chose new gen better transformation and better articulation and better paint
@@jetfire_idk4300 you'd be surpised
I was not expecting that
I like that Red Alert doesn't have the peg on the missile, it annoys me
i split the difference by keeping certain redecoes of the older toys in my collection. for 201 Kup, i still have Botcon Electro. for the 2008 Lambo mold, i still have Funpub Punch/Counterpunch, and for Wheeljack i still have.....SG Tracks
The new Wheeljack still look better than that fat disproportionate Wheeljack.
The best Wheeljack imo is the Authentics Alpha which cost like 15$. Very G1 accurate except for the decals and wheels on shoulders.
I'll NEVER pay 50$ when i can have quality under 20$.
Old G vs New G.
OG- Fantastic Sculpts, some different iterations with unique details. Price=cheap.
NG- Fantastic Sculpts closer to G1 counterparts( show, comic, and box art). Some figs lack detail like previous iterations. Price= Pricey + Scarce!!!
I like the reinvention of Chug more than slavish accuracy ngl I do like the diversity we have been getting recently.
Wheeljack is definitely better as an older figure IMO, The old Race car does look nice but you would never see that on the road, that would be something in a trailer rather than on the road, even if it was a retired Race Car because then it would more likely be on display when not used on a race track. The 2010 Wheeljack is definitely still my go too and I keep trying to get myself to buy it but all the bids I leave, I forget to check up on lol. Also just gonna say, Tracks doesn't really have a good figure looking between Kingdom and Generations as that gen mold is 100% Wheeljack. I do need Exhaust though in that newer design.
Kup... basically has had no good toys XD, SS86 is meh and Generations Kup can be fiddly, and TR is just not feeling like Kup.
And Red Alert I wish there was an in between of, I like the Chonky design and the more smoothed out aspects but those legs are quite eh.
Also I am in that same boat of 2008 - 2012 / 2013 being the best, Aaron Archer's twightlight years is peak Transformers.
I don't have any iteration of the Earthrise Sideswipe/Red Alert mould (except for Gigawatt, which has a lot of problems although I'm not sure how many of those are the result of the retool) but I do have the Universe 2008 Sideswipe, which I always considered to be a bit of a pain to transform. I haven't handled it in a while so I don't remember the details, but I recall it having issues with parts getting in the way of other parts, not clipping together securely, etc. My Red Alert, however, is and always will be the Universe 2003 Inferno toy. Love that thing.
I also don't have Earthrise/Kingdom Wheeljack, but I do have Exhaust and while it's functional its vehicle mode is basically just a slab with a windshield on top, while the Generations one is kind of weird and clunky but a lot of fun to transform (and "weird and clunky" fits with Wheeljack's personality anyway.) The Prime version is also good if I want something sleeker and more straight-forward.
As for Kup, again I was never a huge fan of the Generations one since the spring-loaded parts interfere with transformation, but I've never handled the new version so I can't really compare it to anything.
I own all of those old figures. And while I miss some of the paint and extra parts, I'll take the new ones 99 out of a 100 times. My whole life I've wanted upgraded versions of what I had and saw as a kid. I love this new era. I especially love the updated BW characters we've been getting since Kingdom, like the upcoming Silverbolt.
I do not agree with you Specially with Fat Wheeljack (Generations) vs the Earthrise one, but thIS is Toys are still interesting. I honestly find your point of view interesting. The Quality of older toys is much better! My favorite line is Cybertron/Galaxy Force by Far, they were exactly as shown in the cartoon, the transformations were fun, the finish was amazing. The toys where the best quality, Unicron Trilogy had the best quality of all! Even Clear Plastic on Unicron Trilogy was Sturdy and good. Of Course there are letdowns like Cybertron repugnus... that things breaks over time just by looking at it... Which is a shame because the spinosaurus in that colors looks awesome! This new line in my book uses lower quality plastic which was used since the Combiner Wars Toyline... And well yeah the QC issues on the newer figures are present in a lot of them... It´s a shame. Older figures don´t have that problem.
Gotta say, my thoughts on SS86 are pretty fucking low. Not only is it G1 creeping into a place where it doesn't belong, two of the five figures I got have been defects. My Kup that I got from the three-pack with Jazz (who is the reason I got it) had a loose pin that caused him left arm to fall off and my Ironhide is unable to transform properly and his left arm pops off when swivelled. Them being the only two broken figures I've ever gotten from Hasbro really did a number on this line's reputation for me.
Same as you toy guy, my fave would be ROTF/HFTD (plus the first bit of that generations line with the war for cybertron line and the tail end of classics as well as reveal the shield) So many great figures like ROTF Lockdown, RTS Lugnut and HFTD Leader Starscream.
Also, can we talk about that soapy white plastic Hasbro is using and the many great figures its ruined lately? Like, I was hyped for Apeface when we saw the initial renders, but seeing the finished version just made me sad. Still got it, but Snapdragon came out better cause it used that pearl white plastic that should've been on Apeface.
The old toys are better for playing with friends, (faster transformation/more durable frames), and the new toys are VASTLY superior for collecting and displaying, (way more detail/accuracy/articulation). Two completely different types of toys, for two completely different purposes. I have found that most people who aren't fans of the new toys, simply aren't fans of the "Transformers" franchise, anywhere near as much, as they are just in to the nostalgia of the old toys. 🤷
Edit: I'm actually confused as to which line the "G1" comparisons came from, cuz those are NOT the G1 toys we got in NA. 🧐
In terms of looks and accessory storage I think we need to go back to 2008-2011 stuff, it was simply amazing, and we could at least experiment with making more complex transformations again.
Late to the party, but my two cents. I recently got back into collecting transformers and I’m having a bit of a conflict with this same issue. Many of the new designs are gorgeous, but stale at the same time. They’re almost mini masterpieces of the cartoon figures and that’s cool, but I miss the “new take on old characters” thing that the old classics and universe 2.0 lines did. BUT, at the same time the reason I got out of collecting was because the old classics line felt hit and miss. Some figures like classics bumblebee and universe sergeant Kup were amazing - some of my favorite transformers of all time - but then others came out… janky as hell. I personally was very disappointed with generations Wheeljack, and mine is now a floppy mess with almost every joint loose and I have barely touched it in years.
I always thought the Titans Return headmaster Kup was the best looking version of the character, and I don’t even like the headmaster gimmick!
I feel that the OG G1 is best Prim and Jetfire are the center of my collection got lucky jet fire is 100% complete. With that being said I like the look of ss 86 I have most of that collection, but I just buy what looks fun other than my g1's the rest are still in packaging I just display them.
I personally don't care for the older Red Alert and Wheeljack in terms of appearance, they just look clunky to me. Except SGT Kup, that version looks better than SS86 Kup
for me the golden era for transformers toys is 2007-2013 with the 2013 being alright some are good some are meh. And I love that those toys were only inspired by g1 and look diferent like having modern car modes and body design, and movie verse is special part cause they looks amazing, many people hate them because they looks like insects, but they don't get and stupidly enough they won't get it transformers are suppose to be aliens, and if I want to see unreal characters to seems real like they probably exist in universe somewhere they won't looks like boxy japanese toys from 80's
I'm using
Takara legends kup
Kingdom red alert
Earthrise wheeljack
But
Generations tracks not the kingdom one
This video has some great points but I'm sorry dude I prefer the new chug style (except kup). Although I do have a few old chug figures & I think universe hound is better then siege hound. Personally, I don't like the aesthetics of the old versions, still a great video.