Great job comparing the speakers. I wish everyone else's reviews were as good as yours. There are so many people that really don't know how to review products, it was a pleasure to watch your video.
It's amazing how these Elacs can hang out and in many cases better the sound of the other much more expensive speakers! I am planing on buying me another set of Elac B6.2 for my guest bedrooms and then I will try to buy the floorstanding Elac speaker!
@@RainbowCharade I had Klipschs before and they are too bright, but the RP600M have very good reviews, I wonder if that brightmess has been tamed on these Klipsch speaker. Remember that the Elacs are half the price chaper and sometimes go on sale as low as 150. USD and the Elacs are a very pleasant speaker for your ears, it is warm and detailed, great for long listening sessions!
Haha! Me too!! I also listened to this on a pair of Ruark Templar floor standing speakers. The differences in the comparison music were the same although,two different liistening experiences. The 6.2's have a great clear voice. The KEF's paint a more immersive and realistic image which brings your ear to each instrument rather than forcing the notes on you.
Wow what a difference. I think the lower end amp makes the Elac more enjoyable and the higher end speakers less impressive. With this amp, I would not be able to justify the cost of higher end speakers. Star Wars is really giving this amp a work out. The lack of headroom is apparent with dynamics suffering.
Thanks for doing this video! Even with a budget recorder like the tascam, I can hear vast differences. Most accurate: Kef Most forgiving and musical: Elac most weird: dynaudio.
Thank you so much. Finally first person to do a comparison between Focus 160 and LS50. Im a Dyn owner but the initial obsession over the kef remaind for the last 5 years mostly because the High end audiio market is non existent here. I love the Dyns powered by Hegel H300. But i still wonder. This has been very useful. Thanks again.
Very revealing comparison. Each impressive for itselve. I saved a lot on speakers because I keep enjoying my Dynaudio 1.3 mk 2. When I bougt them back in 1998 I listen to them with my cheap Yamaha Surround-Receiver and also a Burmester combo for five figures. So I was aware what they will be capable of when I am able to get a better system. And boy do they show. At least for my taste.
Wow..I’m just starting out and I’m trying to find a good basic set up for 1000-1500 usd..but everything I see and read makes the decision more difficult...thanks for your in depth videos..it’s been a help..sort of
I was hesitating between the Elacs and the Kef but now I'm sure I'll get the Elacs. Much more what I expect from speakers, that they have a full range of definition and not sacrifying midrange. Elacs give us the impression to listen to music not to speakers interpeting music. It's strange that not everybody see (hear) that in the comments. This shows that we have all different auditive expectations.
i love your channel bro, you are positioned in a higher class of audio i present, a bit to expensive for me...nice too see the way you present and using good microphones too
Dynaudio Focus F160....most lifelike, not veiled, thin, colored, recessed like the other 2....performs best on all genres of music....feels like the background is uncluttered, clarity is excellent!
DYNAUDIO is my favorite , I have been cranked up the volume with my headphone amp/dac the 160 sounds most solid ,controlled,stable , clean and not fatigue sweet sounding speakers it's in different level out of the three, Kef has more open sound but less control and can be fatiguing to listen to, Elac just great but not in the same level of 160 , Thank You .also the recording is really amazing too , absolutely love this video !
elac has full sound specially the mids and smooth highs,kef's highs are somewhat thin and bright you can hear the sibilant when using headphones,dynaudio has very natural sound lows,mids and highs. so it would be. Dynaudio elac kef
To think that the Kef’s has brighter high end than the Elacs is hard to buy. The harsh, brightness of the Elacs literally made me cringe, while both the Dynaudio much less and the Kefs not a single time.
Compare 6:35 to 7:35 to 8:35 and listen for the kettle drum. To me the KEF's do an outstanding job of bringing out the kettle drums which show their ability to articulate better in that frequency range. Overall, and in my opinion, I find the Elac's more pleasing to my ear because they have a bit of that "scooped mids" that I prefer with highs that won't burn the ear after extended listening. I like them all but prefer the Elac's which is why I own a pair myself.
I own the Elac b6.2. But I recently heard the LS50 in a store and found that it sounded better than the Elac. The mid to higher frequencies are rendered much better on the LS50. Maybe it's tuned to be slightly brighter.
The Kef is tighter and more natural. From listening i definatly feel that as you drive these with better and better equipment that the Kef would increasingly distance themselfs from the others. 🧐
Based only on this, it seems to me that the Dynaudio is the most balanced one for home listening; it seems to be fairly detailed with good bass, treble and mids balance. The LS50 appears to get more detail out of the mix but will probably be a bit fatiguing over time; I have little doubts however that it would be the best speaker for professional use and for mixing. The Elacs to be honest did not amaze me at all in comparison with the other two. That being said we should of course take into account the price difference so I suppose it has good value for money. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for the great and informative video. i have listened to your 1st demo of these 3 speakers and they're all great but after listening to this 2nd demo, i would prefer the dynaudio because, my opinion. it has a very balanced and a sweet, decent sound..
Great test Thomas thank you -to me the ELAC bottom end and mid range sounds good but the highs sound a bit muddy. The KEF has a beautiful mid and top end while the Dynaudio has the best of both worlds and is clearly the best speaker (and it should be for the price). The choice between the KEF and ELAC is more difficult to pick a winner as it more depends on the sound you prefer-I myself think that the KEFs with a good Sub would be a good choice.
Dynaudio for the win. Really good separation of instruments especially during SW track. Elac second although a little bloated almost muddy. KEF third, sounded almost artificial, not bright just plastic.
Fantastic job, and with proper (AKG) headphones you can really hear the difference. I am most impressed by the Elac's, they seem to have everything, and sound just as good as the famous LS50's. This is exactly how a online speaker comparison should be, thanks for your ecellent work. However, I'm a bit late in viewing this, there is likely a whole new generation of bookshelf speakers eg the KEF Meta. Do you have a newer video for the same type/price of speaker ?
I purchased the elacs based on what I heard in this demo. They just had this "weight" on the snare drum and I thought those were the speakers for me. I was disappointed however, after comparing them to my beloved Sony SS-CS3 floor standers. I see you like comparing bookshelf speakers but the Sony floor standing speakers are the same price for the pair as the bookshelf Elacs. The Elacs sound thin and restricted. My budget setup is: Sony UDP-800 bluray player doing the decoding and converting all 44 KHz pcm to 88 KHz; Harman Kardon 1710S home theater receiver; Sony SS-CS3 core series floor standing speakers; Sony SACS9 subwoofer(if used, crossed over at 80 Hz). This receiver and speakers combo is a perfect match.
Thanks for Sharing Dimitar. What you have is real life experience and it will help others in making decisions. I just made a video on sound demo and it's problem. I think there are a few possible reasons why you are experiencing this, 1) I used a proper stereo integrated amp in the demo and it had enough power to drive the Elac. AV receiver for me, the power ratings are misleading. 2)The expectations is incorrect. A floor standing speaker should have better bass response compare to a bookshelf. I almost got the SSCS3 myself. Not expensive and it has the same sound signature as the SS5.
Very well done. The Elac sounds the most "correct". The Kef sounds too metallic in many areas but also overdamped and choked in the overtones. The Dynaudio has a plump, bloated bottom end that is overly smooth with excessive overhang and smearing of the timing.
Thomas, Much appreciated review. as we can see everyone will have a difference of opinion. I would also imagine depending on your headphones it will also vary. Since your sitting center stage would like to get your analysis
Elac - good value loudspeakers but buy the other loudspeakers if you can afford KEF - very interesting loudspeakers; you can make them sing really Dynaudio - Shoot and forget style loudspeakers, they are not that interesting and impressive but you can't fail with them
nice, objective comparison. In the setup Dynaudio is the most engaged sound presentation with depth and tonal balance (like KEF doesn't have) and pretty good detail and dynamic (like ELAC doesn't have). cheers...
Hey Thomas. Love your videos - very educational and entertaining. Concerning this budget front end, how would this compare to say the average mass market AVR, like a 100w Denon for instance? I just wanted to get a point of reference. Would such an AVR be a step up from what you have here? I’m thinking of getting the Elac Debut 2.0 floorstanding set as mains for HT, but also want great 2-channel music output. I’m wondering if such an AVR will bring plenty of clean power in a medium room at a performance comparable to your demo system. Thoughts?
It has taken 16 hrs a day and two years to break in my $370 B62`s. They sound better every day. Audio VooDoo. I owed a couple of used record stores for 25 years and we went through a lot of gear. Hands-down the Klipsch La Scalas were the best for the big store. I use the Elacs on a very large desk-top set up and they blow my mind.
Thanks for this 2nd pass. Maybe I should start out by stating what I'm using. This is played via a Roku3 connected HDMI to a Sony STR-DN850 receiver, then through Polk Audio Model 40 series II speakers. I tried with and without my modified center channel which contains my crossover, 2 Peerless Tympany 5.25 mid bass drivers and the original Sony soft dome tweeter. I'm disclosing this because the equipment you're testing as well as the amplifiers used in each video, cost considerably more than what I'm using. Having said that, I find the 1st track is relatively close for me. All 3 speakers are totally liveable. When you're playing Last Xmas, the difference becomes significant to comment. The Elac is a good all around speaker. I'm sure if I was there the detail, balance, and depth would become more apparent. The KEF LS50 high frequency emphasis is significant in hearing her voice. There's actually too much sibilance with those speakers. The Dynaudio speakers bring forth a better balance here. The Star Wars cut further distinguishes the character of each speaker. Again, no real losers but the Dynaudio is fuller, richer, a cleaner image than either of the other two. The KEF loves triangles, doesn't it? I think room acoustics could be a deal killer with the KEF. If there were a lot of soft window treatments, soft furniture, then perhaps that high end could be constrained. One little nit-pick, when the Star Wars track started, it sounded like you were adjusting levels. A moment of somewhat quieter than normalized level. Thanks again. You do a good job in your personal reviews.
Yeah, I must have adjusted the Star wars track in the beginning. I remember it was getting late when I did the recording so I probably instinctively lowered the volume. The KEF have a lot of sibilance but partly is due to me driving the whole system with a Class D setup,. Once you pair it with the Mcintosh and the ifi tube2, it's pretty good. Thinking back, I should have done it that way when I did the sound recording because the Elac and KEF are way better with the mcintosh. Their top end is a bit bright with the Bel Canto. The Dyn however, works well with anything. Thanks for the feedback.
I listening through Beyerdynamic Amiron Home/Denon USB 301 DAC/AMP and to my ears, voices on Dynaudios sounds more cleaner and natural, followed by Kefs. Elacs sounds a little congested, its ok for the price range but definitively they are in different leagues!
For my ear, B6.2: Bright treble, loudest but not clearest bass, voice was okay. KEF: softer treble, quieter bass, good voice. The 160: Clearest voice, clean bass, soft but crisp treble. I don't know why, but I hear more things from the Dynaudio 160 than the other two. Certain things pop out, and I go, "Hmmmm." It forces me to go back to the listen to KEF and ELAC where they muted or drowned out. The Dynaudio 160 won this for sure... I am coming in somewhat blind, and without reading the comments. I knew the price of the ELAC, but not the other two. Good work sir!
Hi Thomas, Thanks for the reviews. I was wondering if you've ever had a chance to review the Dynaudio Emit 10? Just curious if they sound similar to the 160s.
one of the best flavour reverb on vokal was on dynaudio which cant finded on elac and kef...thats why dyn go for highend elac for hifi kef for hifi+ sorry for my bad english
I wonder how the Buchardt's that you have would compare, although some things are lost in translation. Sound stage, how they drop off-axis, other audiophile tricks I'm missing. But it's nice to see the Elacs still holding their own quite nicely (I got a pair of F6.2's recently).
Thomas, these demos are brilliant and your channel in general is pretty cool. your voice is soothing to the soul too. May I suggest you put the uncompressed files on the web (one drive, Google drive, FTP, etc) so we can give it a proper listen. Cheers
Thanks! I have to figure out how to edit it. You see, when I record music clip, I will start by recording the equipment used to keep track. The video software I use can only output at low resolution compare to when I record it at 96k 24 bit. Any suggestions?
I wonder if there is any legal issues if I did that. On youtube, what happen is the composer makes a claim against my video and all monetary compensation goes to them so I assume it's ok on youtube. But once I share it on a different platform where the artist does not get compensated, it might be different.
Not sure if im following you. I was talking about the audio files. 96k 24bit would be great but that´s probably too much space, 44/16 should be more than enough
Yeah, didn´t thought about that... but there are probably legal issues involved. I suggested it cuz there is a great RUclips channel about bluetooth speakers called the clavinetjunkie which does these comparisons from time to time. Perhaps using music from creative commons labels or composers not under copyright could be a solution. I cannot offer any tittles right now cuz i listen mostly electronic music but I´m sure someone in your audience knows a few good tracks of the same musical style under creative commons
Thanks! I did make a video on Elac Unifi. ruclips.net/video/HAbHlCcJ-eI/видео.html but I dont' know the other 2 speakers. Will take a look when I have a chance.
Thomas: I haven't listened to a ton of near-field monitors, but I'm curious... imagine one of the biggest bothers you have with speakers is the change in balance of treble, bass, and mid-range As you move your head up and down or side-to-side. Are there any non concentric speakers that are close to the KEF with good off axis response.
I don't have experience with speakers and near field. The Elac Ub5 is concentric design too but it is lay back. If you use it with normal distance, the Buchardt S300 is very ok, Elac 6.2 is ok.
Would like to hear the ELAC CARINA in this lineup instead of the B6.2. I can definitely hear distinct differences between the speakers. Comparison sound demos are my favorite. Mono or single speaker demos over the 'net might be interesting. Someone should try it.
Thank you such great sound test/comparison posting. Dynaudio is the most honest-reference sound in my listening. Bass extension is more refined with better decay, mids are clear and honest without color, highs are non-fatigue.
The Elac sounds well defined, the Kef is less tight while the Dynaudio adds a kind ethereal quality. I thought of buying the Kef second hand but now I see it's not the best speaker ever as some say. In fact I prefer it the least.
If you want to extract details especially at lower volumes maybe KEF is the one, but otherwise the Star Wars track has just revealed how Dynaudio shows its abilities when required. The Dyn has a polished sound, can’t go wrong with it.
i'm blown away how well you were able to transmit the behaviors of each speaker in a youtube video. the dyn's do literally murder the other 2 in real life and somehow you can even tell in the video but only if I listen to this on a reference system. If people listen to this on a phone you just can't tell. the ls50 isn't bad but it does that ahhhhh ! thing, just a little shrill that makes you go F&*^^&* mid song. the elac's i get as a budget speaker but man, with the $499 sales on martin logan motion 15s spend the extra on those if you're looking at elac and or a nice used B&W 600 series. what's wrong with the elac is very apparent A+B testing as you can hear here
Could be the recording (first song) but the Elac's sound more dynamic, especially compared to the KEF's, and they sound more open and seem to display more of the recordings added ambience creating effects than Dynaudio. How it measures and if that can explain something i have no idea of..
But do you mean it ads stuff that isnt on the recording at all or does it unveil more of the effect just, perhaps by being bright or having a very very good driver?
the high frequencies sounds better with the KEF , but overall the Dynaudio sounds the best . Did you got the chance to audition the Wharfedale diamond 225 ? Can I have your thought about them ? I am using Definitive technology Promonitor 1000 with Klipsch sub and thinking to get a good pair of Bookshelf speakers Thanks
I know , but youtube decode the sound changes in the same way from both speakers , and this video is to get others opinion and help to narrow your choices ,when you decide to choice between two or three models,then you have to go and audition the speakers
To me the Elac sounded the best overall, the instrument separation in the Star Wars theme was really impressive and for a speaker of it's price range it seems really good and most clear in the vocals as well but i think they may be more fatiguing compared to the others because the treble seems more energetic and airy. The KEF was disappointing and to me it was a really tight fight between the Dynaudio and the KEF for last place
The comments are very funny. To me, it sounds like everyone is listening to completely different presentations. Certainly not hearing what I'm hearing! Lol. I think each is hearing their own preconceptions. I've never heard any of these speakers before(still haven't), but no one here can even agree on dynamic presentation let alone brightness, lol. Thanks for the demo. It showed me that if nothing else, the English language is broken. Evidently, the tower of Babel is still functioning very well, thank you very much...
Andrew Jones some how does it right. I still miss my Pioneer FS speakers or even Book shelves .. To my ears they sounded better than SVS Primes ( I think I just like warmer sound ) . I am going back to his designed speakers with Elacs now :)
I watched both videos and wow they are good. I was already earing the difference between them and the Elac sounded clearer to me but it’s not until the Star Wars track that I could really ear the difference. Good videos and good review. Thanks
The Elac's treble sounded "hot" to me, the KEF's were smooth, and the Dynaudios were the best balanced. Someone earlier mentioned you'd be upgrading the Elacs in a couple years for something better, and I agree. Pay me now or pay me later, says the high end.
Please put the minuts list in the video comments and not covering 1/3 of the screen :( Nice comparation in any case, I doubt between KEF and Elac. Are the levels normalized? I think the KEF sounds lower than the others.
An Interesting comparison would be the Dynaudio Emit M20 vs the Elac Debut 6.2 (the Dynaudio M20 at $999 is still much more expensive but half that of Evoke models and 1/3 f the Focus)
Wow I was very surprised by the Elac. The KEF sounded like shouty, and the Dynaudio sounded smooth... I had these and don’t remember them sounding this good with vocals.
So I listened again on my custom single full-range driver speakers and the Dynaudio 160 definitely sounds the most laid back, KEF most forward, and the Elac most balanced at this level. It is my suspicion that the 160 like many of the ATC speakers will really come alive at the louder level and more watts. Thomas I almost think that you had a purpose in comparing these three, they all have their strengths. The Dynaudio Focus 110 is a whole other beast with the speed of a horn with it small form factor, top of the line tweeters, and 3-inch driver coils.
I like the highs on kef. On 5:14 the guitar next to her voice is so clear “massaging my ears” while if you go back to Elack at 4:13 her voice is covering that nice sparkling notes from the guitar. I think Kef is a clear winner of the two . am using senhuser Hd 598 and Fiio E10 to listen. . . Now considering the price of course I would buy the ELAC . Also Elac would be better for movies as voices are much Defined, fuller and forward.
I had Kef R100 and Kef Q300, i heard kef ls 50 in a Shop, they are outstanding but if i had too choose i would buy the R100 again, its almost good as ls50 but 500€ cheaper, but its not a cheap Speaker is very well processed and the sound is almost as good s the ls50. If you want a little more bass then go get the R300 is still 200€ Cheaper then ls50 but the heights are better then the ls50 and the same bass
In terms of tone and timber, the Elacs sounded the most realistic to actual instruments closely followed by Dynaudio. The Dynaudios excelled at soundstage width, depth and imaging with the Elacs a close second. The Kef was never in the game to my ears..wrong timber and poor imaging and not a great soundstage. Based on the price to performance ratio, the Elacs win.
You have proven, at least in this comparison, that there is no BEST. They are all good and have strong and weak points. They all win and lose depending on the specific category one wants to focus on. And then there is the price or value to consider as well as aesthetics. The KEF does impress but I am not a fan of how it looks. I could live with the Elac but the Dynaudio is simply gorgeous. That was a great demo. May I offer a suggestion? IF you could play a few seconds of the exact same passage through each speaker as well as the longer samples that you had in this video, that would be very helpful. Rapidly switching between the speakers would really enhance the ability to hear differences. I know we can do that on our end by marking the time for each passage and using the slider control to play a specific sample, but the time delay in manipulating the cursor to the right spot on the video can be a little problematic. Thanks for a great job is putting this video together. Very helpful as well as entertaining.
Thanks for the suggestion,. In the comment section, if you type the time, it will jump to the exact time where you want to go. You will see the time becomes a hyper link, I usually do it in the description box. That way, you can specify where exactly you want to jump to.
What’s evident is the ls50 has the smallest sound stage vs the elac however it’s a harder speaker to drive the Dynaudio seems to be the most revealing but least coherent. The elac is lively. I would love to see a 3 way against the elac, ls50 and tune tot. Three qualities that are evolutionary of speaker design elac (fun) ls50 (accurate) tune tot (transparent). It cost so much to go from fun to transparent:(.
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Great job comparing the speakers. I wish everyone else's reviews were as good as yours. There are so many people that really don't know how to review products, it was a pleasure to watch your video.
Thank you for presenting a speaker comparison in a realistic and thoughtful way. Well done!
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Elac 0:31
KEF 1:31
Dynaudio 2:31
Elac 3:31
KEF 4:31
Dynaudio 5:31
Elac 6:31
KEF 7:31
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This is to help compare the speakers :)
Thank you so much
Well done Thomas. Excellent sound projection on all three!! Cheers!
Thanks, I really enjoyed. I heard differences -- not large by any means. I'm going to listen again using different speakers.
Thank you sir! These type of videos are fun and I do hear slight differences in sound.
It's amazing how these Elacs can hang out and in many cases better the sound of the other much more expensive speakers!
I am planing on buying me another set of Elac B6.2 for my guest bedrooms and then I will try to buy the floorstanding Elac speaker!
what do you think about Klipsch RP600M?? (these are my 2 possibles!)
@@RainbowCharade I had Klipschs before and they are too bright, but the RP600M have very good reviews, I wonder if that brightmess has been tamed on these Klipsch speaker. Remember that the Elacs are half the price chaper and sometimes go on sale as low as 150. USD and the Elacs are a very pleasant speaker for your ears, it is warm and detailed, great for long listening sessions!
I am listening to your Elac Debut 6.2’s through my Elac Debut 6.2’s. I need to get a life.
Now that is funny!
Haha! Me too!! I also listened to this on a pair of Ruark Templar floor standing speakers. The differences in the comparison music were the same although,two different liistening experiences. The 6.2's have a great clear voice. The KEF's paint a more immersive and realistic image which brings your ear to each instrument rather than forcing the notes on you.
Hey guys I am new to hi fi world, looking forward to buy elac 6.2 any advice for the budget receiver . Thank you.
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Wow what a difference. I think the lower end amp makes the Elac more enjoyable and the higher end speakers less impressive. With this amp, I would not be able to justify the cost of higher end speakers. Star Wars is really giving this amp a work out. The lack of headroom is apparent with dynamics suffering.
All 3 are great speakers. Going to come down to personal preference, though I think I like the Elac's.
I LIKE THE ELACS BETER HAS A BETER SOUND OVERALL
Thanks for doing this video! Even with a budget recorder like the tascam, I can hear vast differences.
Most accurate: Kef
Most forgiving and musical: Elac
most weird: dynaudio.
Great video! Some really great speakers demoed!
Thank you so much. Finally first person to do a comparison between Focus 160 and LS50. Im a Dyn owner but the initial obsession over the kef remaind for the last 5 years mostly because the High end audiio market is non existent here. I love the Dyns powered by Hegel H300. But i still wonder. This has been very useful. Thanks again.
I always wanted to try the Hegel H300 and H360. You should have a pretty good setup if you pair it with a Dyn.
Very revealing comparison. Each impressive for itselve.
I saved a lot on speakers because I keep enjoying my Dynaudio 1.3 mk 2. When I bougt them back in 1998 I listen to them with my cheap Yamaha Surround-Receiver and also a Burmester combo for five figures. So I was aware what they will be capable of when I am able to get a better system. And boy do they show. At least for my taste.
Wow..I’m just starting out and I’m trying to find a good basic set up for 1000-1500 usd..but everything I see and read makes the decision more difficult...thanks for your in depth videos..it’s been a help..sort of
I was hesitating between the Elacs and the Kef but now I'm sure I'll get the Elacs. Much more what I expect from speakers, that they have a full range of definition and not sacrifying midrange. Elacs give us the impression to listen to music not to speakers interpeting music. It's strange that not everybody see (hear) that in the comments. This shows that we have all different auditive expectations.
i love your channel bro, you are positioned in a higher class of audio i present, a bit to expensive for me...nice too see the way you present and using good microphones too
Thanks! I enjoy your channel too. You have a lot of subscribers!
Dynaudio Focus F160....most lifelike, not veiled, thin, colored, recessed like the other 2....performs best on all genres of music....feels like the background is uncluttered, clarity is excellent!
DYNAUDIO is my favorite , I have been cranked up the volume with my headphone amp/dac the 160 sounds most solid ,controlled,stable , clean and not fatigue sweet sounding speakers it's in different level out of the three, Kef has more open sound but less control and can be fatiguing to listen to, Elac just great but not in the same level of 160 , Thank You .also the recording is really amazing too , absolutely love this video !
Yooo, did not expect the Elac to sound that good!
elac has full sound specially the mids and smooth highs,kef's highs are somewhat thin and bright you can hear the sibilant when using headphones,dynaudio has very natural sound lows,mids and highs. so it would be.
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To think that the Kef’s has brighter high end than the Elacs is hard to buy. The harsh, brightness of the Elacs literally made me cringe, while both the Dynaudio much less and the Kefs not a single time.
@@johnbishop6890 Kefs seems hollow i have to assume, they're lacking in the mids.
Compare 6:35 to 7:35 to 8:35 and listen for the kettle drum. To me the KEF's do an outstanding job of bringing out the kettle drums which show their ability to articulate better in that frequency range. Overall, and in my opinion, I find the Elac's more pleasing to my ear because they have a bit of that "scooped mids" that I prefer with highs that won't burn the ear after extended listening. I like them all but prefer the Elac's which is why I own a pair myself.
Elac Debut 6.2 the best out of this three IMO.
Totally agree
I own the Elac b6.2. But I recently heard the LS50 in a store and found that it sounded better than the Elac. The mid to higher frequencies are rendered much better on the LS50. Maybe it's tuned to be slightly brighter.
The Kef is tighter and more natural. From listening i definatly feel that as you drive these with better and better equipment that the Kef would increasingly distance themselfs from the others. 🧐
Based only on this, it seems to me that the Dynaudio is the most balanced one for home listening; it seems to be fairly detailed with good bass, treble and mids balance. The LS50 appears to get more detail out of the mix but will probably be a bit fatiguing over time; I have little doubts however that it would be the best speaker for professional use and for mixing. The Elacs to be honest did not amaze me at all in comparison with the other two. That being said we should of course take into account the price difference so I suppose it has good value for money. Thanks for the video!
Brilliant demo!
Thanks for the kind comparison. I like and have the Elacs. All sound good.
I’d say it would be a tie between the KEF LS50’s and the ELAC B6.2’s especially with the clarity of the vocals!
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Thank you for the great and informative video. i have listened to your 1st demo of these 3 speakers and they're all great but after listening to this 2nd demo, i would prefer the dynaudio because, my opinion. it has a very balanced and a sweet, decent sound..
Angus and Julia Stone...thanks for using a great song!
Great test Thomas thank you -to me the ELAC bottom end and mid range sounds good but the highs sound a bit muddy. The KEF has a beautiful mid and top end while the Dynaudio has the best of both worlds and is clearly the best speaker (and it should be for the price). The choice between the KEF and ELAC is more difficult to pick a winner as it more depends on the sound you prefer-I myself think that the KEFs with a good Sub would be a good choice.
Dynaudio for the win. Really good separation of instruments especially during SW track. Elac second although a little bloated almost muddy. KEF third, sounded almost artificial, not bright just plastic.
Fantastic job, and with proper (AKG) headphones you can really hear the difference. I am most impressed by the Elac's, they seem to have everything, and sound just as good as the famous LS50's. This is exactly how a online speaker comparison should be, thanks for your ecellent work. However, I'm a bit late in viewing this, there is likely a whole new generation of bookshelf speakers eg the KEF Meta. Do you have a newer video for the same type/price of speaker ?
Thanks, I did make a few videos recently but no comparisons.
I purchased the elacs based on what I heard in this demo. They just had this "weight" on the snare drum and I thought those were the speakers for me. I was disappointed however, after comparing them to my beloved Sony SS-CS3 floor standers. I see you like comparing bookshelf speakers but the Sony floor standing speakers are the same price for the pair as the bookshelf Elacs. The Elacs sound thin and restricted. My budget setup is: Sony UDP-800 bluray player doing the decoding and converting all 44 KHz pcm to 88 KHz; Harman Kardon 1710S home theater receiver; Sony SS-CS3 core series floor standing speakers; Sony SACS9 subwoofer(if used, crossed over at 80 Hz). This receiver and speakers combo is a perfect match.
Thanks for Sharing Dimitar. What you have is real life experience and it will help others in making decisions. I just made a video on sound demo and it's problem. I think there are a few possible reasons why you are experiencing this, 1) I used a proper stereo integrated amp in the demo and it had enough power to drive the Elac. AV receiver for me, the power ratings are misleading. 2)The expectations is incorrect. A floor standing speaker should have better bass response compare to a bookshelf. I almost got the SSCS3 myself. Not expensive and it has the same sound signature as the SS5.
Very well done. The Elac sounds the most "correct". The Kef sounds too metallic in many areas but also overdamped and choked in the overtones. The Dynaudio has a plump, bloated bottom end that is overly smooth with excessive overhang and smearing of the timing.
Вокал ласт крисмас на кeфах просто чудесный, какие обертона!
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Thomas, Much appreciated review. as we can see everyone will have a difference of opinion. I would also imagine depending on your headphones it will also vary. Since your sitting center stage would like to get your analysis
Elac - good value loudspeakers but buy the other loudspeakers if you can afford
KEF - very interesting loudspeakers; you can make them sing really
Dynaudio - Shoot and forget style loudspeakers, they are not that interesting and impressive but you can't fail with them
S H interesting take.. I’m just starting out with my hi fi journey..why would anyone by the Dynaudio based on your critique..given the cost
nice, objective comparison. In the setup Dynaudio is the most engaged sound presentation with depth and tonal balance (like KEF doesn't have) and pretty good detail and dynamic (like ELAC doesn't have). cheers...
Glad you liked it!
Hey Thomas. Love your videos - very educational and entertaining. Concerning this budget front end, how would this compare to say the average mass market AVR, like a 100w Denon for instance? I just wanted to get a point of reference. Would such an AVR be a step up from what you have here? I’m thinking of getting the Elac Debut 2.0 floorstanding set as mains for HT, but also want great 2-channel music output. I’m wondering if such an AVR will bring plenty of clean power in a medium room at a performance comparable to your demo system. Thoughts?
I am actually going to make a video on it. Will be hooking up to AVR to test. Just need to find the time !
It has taken 16 hrs a day and two years to break in my $370 B62`s. They sound better every day. Audio VooDoo. I owed a couple of used record stores for 25 years and we went through a lot of gear. Hands-down the Klipsch La Scalas were the best for the big store. I use the Elacs on a very large desk-top set up and they blow my mind.
Some test, thank you for sharing! How much is your Onix A55 amp worth, please?
Elac's you can hear the resonance of the snare better, its reveals much more of the snare than the Kef or Dyn on the first track
Thanks for this 2nd pass.
Maybe I should start out by stating what I'm using. This is played via a Roku3 connected HDMI to a Sony STR-DN850 receiver, then through Polk Audio Model 40 series II speakers.
I tried with and without my modified center channel which contains my crossover, 2 Peerless Tympany 5.25 mid bass drivers and the original Sony soft dome tweeter. I'm disclosing this because the equipment you're testing as well as the amplifiers used in each video, cost considerably more than what I'm using.
Having said that, I find the 1st track is relatively close for me. All 3 speakers are totally liveable. When you're playing Last Xmas, the difference becomes significant to comment.
The Elac is a good all around speaker. I'm sure if I was there the detail, balance, and depth would become more apparent.
The KEF LS50 high frequency emphasis is significant in hearing her voice. There's actually too much sibilance with those speakers.
The Dynaudio speakers bring forth a better balance here.
The Star Wars cut further distinguishes the character of each speaker. Again, no real losers but the Dynaudio is fuller, richer, a cleaner image than either of the other two. The KEF loves triangles, doesn't it? I think room acoustics could be a deal killer with the KEF. If there were a lot of soft window treatments, soft furniture, then perhaps that high end could be constrained.
One little nit-pick, when the Star Wars track started, it sounded like you were adjusting levels. A moment of somewhat quieter than normalized level.
Thanks again. You do a good job in your personal reviews.
Yeah, I must have adjusted the Star wars track in the beginning. I remember it was getting late when I did the recording so I probably instinctively lowered the volume. The KEF have a lot of sibilance but partly is due to me driving the whole system with a Class D setup,. Once you pair it with the Mcintosh and the ifi tube2, it's pretty good. Thinking back, I should have done it that way when I did the sound recording because the Elac and KEF are way better with the mcintosh. Their top end is a bit bright with the Bel Canto. The Dyn however, works well with anything. Thanks for the feedback.
I listening through Beyerdynamic Amiron Home/Denon USB 301 DAC/AMP and to my ears, voices on Dynaudios sounds more cleaner and natural, followed by Kefs. Elacs sounds a little congested, its ok for the price range but definitively they are in different leagues!
Great comparison video.
For my ear,
B6.2: Bright treble, loudest but not clearest bass, voice was okay. KEF: softer treble, quieter bass, good voice. The 160: Clearest voice, clean bass, soft but crisp treble.
I don't know why, but I hear more things from the Dynaudio 160 than the other two. Certain things pop out, and I go, "Hmmmm." It forces me to go back to the listen to KEF and ELAC where they muted or drowned out. The Dynaudio 160 won this for sure... I am coming in somewhat blind, and without reading the comments. I knew the price of the ELAC, but not the other two. Good work sir!
Ah nice, glad this video was 'interesting ' for you and best part is your did not know the price. Good idea not to read the comments first :)
I’m with Kef for detail,Ned to listen to the same music on all of them
would love to see the Elacs go head to head with Klipsch RP600M...PLEASE!!
Hi Thomas,
Thanks for the reviews. I was wondering if you've ever had a chance to review the Dynaudio Emit 10? Just curious if they sound similar to the 160s.
Not yet!Sorry.
Although there is a limit to what I hear on RUclips, Elac seems to be clearer and little bit more vivid....
To my ears this short demo proves Elac is making quality audio for the masses!! Rock on Elac!!
one of the best flavour reverb on vokal was on dynaudio which cant finded on elac and kef...thats why dyn go for highend
elac for hifi
kef for hifi+
sorry for my bad english
I wonder how the Buchardt's that you have would compare, although some things are lost in translation. Sound stage, how they drop off-axis, other audiophile tricks I'm missing. But it's nice to see the Elacs still holding their own quite nicely (I got a pair of F6.2's recently).
If you are talking about closer to these kinds of speaker sound, then the S300 would be. My friends preferred it over all these 3 speakers.
Thomas, these demos are brilliant and your channel in general is pretty cool. your voice is soothing to the soul too.
May I suggest you put the uncompressed files on the web (one drive, Google drive, FTP, etc) so we can give it a proper listen. Cheers
Thanks! I have to figure out how to edit it. You see, when I record music clip, I will start by recording the equipment used to keep track. The video software I use can only output at low resolution compare to when I record it at 96k 24 bit. Any suggestions?
I wonder if there is any legal issues if I did that. On youtube, what happen is the composer makes a claim against my video and all monetary compensation goes to them so I assume it's ok on youtube. But once I share it on a different platform where the artist does not get compensated, it might be different.
Not sure if im following you. I was talking about the audio files. 96k 24bit would be great but that´s probably too much space, 44/16 should be more than enough
Yeah, didn´t thought about that... but there are probably legal issues involved. I suggested it cuz there is a great RUclips channel about bluetooth speakers called the clavinetjunkie which does these comparisons from time to time. Perhaps using music from creative commons labels or composers not under copyright could be a solution. I cannot offer any tittles right now cuz i listen mostly electronic music but I´m sure someone in your audience knows a few good tracks of the same musical style under creative commons
After watching your videos, I am waiting for the Elac 2,0 b6 to be available here in Australia. BTW, who sings that version of Last Christmas?
ozmoll The artist name is Yao Si Ting
Thomas love your content. Any chance you'd look at the Elac Unifi or the Ascend Sierra or Philharmonic Affordable Accuracy.
Thanks! I did make a video on Elac Unifi.
ruclips.net/video/HAbHlCcJ-eI/видео.html
but I dont' know the other 2 speakers. Will take a look when I have a chance.
Thomas: I haven't listened to a ton of near-field monitors, but I'm curious... imagine one of the biggest bothers you have with speakers is the change in balance of treble, bass, and mid-range As you move your head up and down or side-to-side.
Are there any non concentric speakers that are close to the KEF with good off axis response.
I don't have experience with speakers and near field. The Elac Ub5 is concentric design too but it is lay back. If you use it with normal distance, the Buchardt S300 is very ok, Elac 6.2 is ok.
Would like to hear the ELAC CARINA in this lineup instead of the B6.2.
I can definitely hear distinct differences between the speakers.
Comparison sound demos are my favorite. Mono or single speaker demos over the 'net might be interesting. Someone should try it.
Thank you such great sound test/comparison posting.
Dynaudio is the most honest-reference sound in my listening.
Bass extension is more refined with better decay, mids are clear and honest without color, highs are non-fatigue.
The Elac sounds well defined, the Kef is less tight while the Dynaudio adds a kind ethereal quality. I thought of buying the Kef second hand but now I see it's not the best speaker ever as some say. In fact I prefer it the least.
To me they are excellent especially imaging clarities voice,drums,base,and cymbals. this is only my opinion. '' PEACE ""
If you want to extract details especially at lower volumes maybe KEF is the one, but otherwise the Star Wars track has just revealed how Dynaudio shows its abilities when required. The Dyn has a polished sound, can’t go wrong with it.
Great review Thomas, Have you ever considered reviewing the Klipsch RP-160M? would love to see a review on those with your Hifi set up.
I don't know that speaker, will have to look into it.
Thank you. That would be great.
i'm blown away how well you were able to transmit the behaviors of each speaker in a youtube video. the dyn's do literally murder the other 2 in real life and somehow you can even tell in the video but only if I listen to this on a reference system. If people listen to this on a phone you just can't tell. the ls50 isn't bad but it does that ahhhhh ! thing, just a little shrill that makes you go F&*^^&* mid song. the elac's i get as a budget speaker but man, with the $499 sales on martin logan motion 15s spend the extra on those if you're looking at elac and or a nice used B&W 600 series. what's wrong with the elac is very apparent A+B testing as you can hear here
uhmm.. yeah, but I'm on ear buds. How does this help? I'm only ever going to hear as well as my speakers.
After watching this video I went out and bought the ls50's. BTW who sings that version of last xmas?
Yao si ting
Could be the recording (first song) but the Elac's sound more dynamic, especially compared to the KEF's, and they sound more open and seem to display more of the recordings added ambience creating effects than Dynaudio. How it measures and if that can explain something i have no idea of..
Maybe it's like what I said in the review of the Debut 6, it's like adding reverb to the vocals and makes it sound good,.
But do you mean it ads stuff that isnt on the recording at all or does it unveil more of the effect just, perhaps by being bright or having a very very good driver?
it does not add, but maybe its the wide dispersion tweeter design that it makes it feel like.
У Кеф стереопанорма лучше, но Ютуб её не передаст.
the high frequencies sounds better with the KEF , but overall the Dynaudio sounds the best .
Did you got the chance to audition the Wharfedale diamond 225 ? Can I have your thought about them ? I am using Definitive technology Promonitor 1000 with Klipsch sub and thinking to get a good pair of Bookshelf speakers
Thanks
Not yet, hard to find a diamond 225. I will if I come across one.
Thomas & Stereo thank you very much , I trust your opinion since you heard alot speakers and can define what is the best sounding speakers
I know , but youtube decode the sound changes in the same way from both speakers , and this video is to get others opinion and help to narrow your choices ,when you decide to choice between two or three models,then you have to go and audition the speakers
nice job.thanks
Who is the lady artist singing "Last Xmas"? Very nice version of true Christmas classic.
PS. Informative comparison, thank you Thomas!
ruclips.net/video/GT1dUzuL6Xg/видео.html
To me the Elac sounded the best overall, the instrument separation in the Star Wars theme was really impressive and for a speaker of it's price range it seems really good and most clear in the vocals as well but i think they may be more fatiguing compared to the others because the treble seems more energetic and airy. The KEF was disappointing and to me it was a really tight fight between the Dynaudio and the KEF for last place
Agreed on every point
ive done the same🤣🤣i love this channel so detailed and wel presented
The comments are very funny. To me, it sounds like everyone is listening to completely different presentations. Certainly not hearing what I'm hearing! Lol. I think each is hearing their own preconceptions. I've never heard any of these speakers before(still haven't), but no one here can even agree on dynamic presentation let alone brightness, lol. Thanks for the demo. It showed me that if nothing else, the English language is broken. Evidently, the tower of Babel is still functioning very well, thank you very much...
Andrew Jones some how does it right. I still miss my Pioneer FS speakers or even Book shelves .. To my ears they sounded better than SVS Primes ( I think I just like warmer sound ) . I am going back to his designed speakers with Elacs now :)
I watched both videos and wow they are good. I was already earing the difference between them and the Elac sounded clearer to me but it’s not until the Star Wars track that I could really ear the difference. Good videos and good review. Thanks
Black Crow - KEF, Last Xmas - KEF, Star W - Elac.
To me, open and detailed sound from Elac
Nice review as usual. Although I have a good question: wich of them has the best soundstage? Thanx already.
I don't remember, it means none of it stands out. Thanks!
Thomas & Stereo Thanx. Keep posting reviews. You are doing it very good.
Elac is the winner with substantial mid-range and excellent bass.
Would love to see the Piega classic 3.0 in this test . Great video cheers.
The Elac's treble sounded "hot" to me, the KEF's were smooth, and the Dynaudios were the best balanced. Someone earlier mentioned you'd be upgrading the Elacs in a couple years for something better, and I agree. Pay me now or pay me later, says the high end.
The elacs treble was almost brittle as you surmised. Was least pleasant of the 3.
Excellent vlog spoilt for choice
Please put the minuts list in the video comments and not covering 1/3 of the screen :(
Nice comparation in any case, I doubt between KEF and Elac.
Are the levels normalized?
I think the KEF sounds lower than the others.
An Interesting comparison would be the Dynaudio Emit M20 vs the Elac Debut 6.2 (the Dynaudio M20 at $999 is still much more expensive but half that of Evoke models and 1/3 f the Focus)
Wow I was very surprised by the Elac. The KEF sounded like shouty, and the Dynaudio sounded smooth... I had these and don’t remember them sounding this good with vocals.
So I listened again on my custom single full-range driver speakers and the Dynaudio 160 definitely sounds the most laid back, KEF most forward, and the Elac most balanced at this level. It is my suspicion that the 160 like many of the ATC speakers will really come alive at the louder level and more watts. Thomas I almost think that you had a purpose in comparing these three, they all have their strengths. The Dynaudio Focus 110 is a whole other beast with the speed of a horn with it small form factor, top of the line tweeters, and 3-inch driver coils.
I like the highs on kef. On 5:14 the guitar next to her voice is so clear “massaging my ears” while if you go back to Elack at 4:13 her voice is covering that nice sparkling notes from the guitar. I think Kef is a clear winner of the two . am using senhuser Hd 598 and Fiio E10 to listen. . . Now considering the price of course I would buy the ELAC . Also Elac would be better for movies as voices are much Defined, fuller and forward.
green smart led Kef her voice and the guitar was like in High definition while Elac was missing alot of detail. My vote is on KEF
Just bought FiiO K3 😁
I had Kef R100 and Kef Q300, i heard kef ls 50 in a Shop, they are outstanding but if i had too choose i would buy the R100 again, its almost good as ls50 but 500€ cheaper, but its not a cheap Speaker is very well processed and the sound is almost as good s the ls50.
If you want a little more bass then go get the R300 is still 200€ Cheaper then ls50 but the heights are better then the ls50 and the same bass
In terms of tone and timber, the Elacs sounded the most realistic to actual instruments closely followed by Dynaudio. The Dynaudios excelled at soundstage width, depth and imaging with the Elacs a close second. The Kef was never in the game to my ears..wrong timber and poor imaging and not a great soundstage. Based on the price to performance ratio, the Elacs win.
I was impressed with the Kef sound. Dynaudio seemed to have more bass
Who sang that Last Christmas song? I only see the other two listed in the description.
ruclips.net/video/G4Oy1NcVvqM/видео.html
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks Thomas...she has a stunning voice
How would you describe the sound presentation of the Onix A55? Thanks Thomas!
Slightly Forward side of neutral. Do you have one?
Thanks Thomas! Unfortunately not but I’m curious about this amp, if I can find one that is..
You have proven, at least in this comparison, that there is no BEST. They are all good and have strong and weak points. They all win and lose depending on the specific category one wants to focus on. And then there is the price or value to consider as well as aesthetics. The KEF does impress but I am not a fan of how it looks. I could live with the Elac but the Dynaudio is simply gorgeous. That was a great demo. May I offer a suggestion? IF you could play a few seconds of the exact same passage through each speaker as well as the longer samples that you had in this video, that would be very helpful. Rapidly switching between the speakers would really enhance the ability to hear differences. I know we can do that on our end by marking the time for each passage and using the slider control to play a specific sample, but the time delay in manipulating the cursor to the right spot on the video can be a little problematic. Thanks for a great job is putting this video together. Very helpful as well as entertaining.
Thanks for the suggestion,. In the comment section, if you type the time, it will jump to the exact time where you want to go. You will see the time becomes a hyper link, I usually do it in the description box. That way, you can specify where exactly you want to jump to.
Dynaudio Best of the Best!
Angus and julie stone? Not many outside of aus would know them would they?? Impressed
Hello, I just wanted to ask, whats the artist of the Last Xmas song here. thanks for the comparison.
Search for yao si ting last christmas on youtube.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks alot!
What’s evident is the ls50 has the smallest sound stage vs the elac however it’s a harder speaker to drive the Dynaudio seems to be the most revealing but least coherent. The elac is lively. I would love to see a 3 way against the elac, ls50 and tune tot. Three qualities that are evolutionary of speaker design elac (fun) ls50 (accurate) tune tot (transparent). It cost so much to go from fun to transparent:(.
most revealing but least coherent. LOL
Dynaudio for my ears.
Dynaudio is more comfortable for ears, other two little bit of noisy
That is the toughest comparison I've heard. I'm sitting on the fence 🤔
If that is the case, the Elac wins due to price. If we put actual performance aside. :)
I will take keff ,.... more detail. according what I heard, but for price. Elac is the winner with no doubt.