Smith was looking for Tresors & Gold and that's why he met the guardian of the tresor which usually are demons, having salamander appearance !. Everything started from that point for smith, a possession ! Mohammed was looking for the....... Truth. Big difference 😀
I'm a catholic in Utah. Mormons are very nice beautiful people by in large. But the more I learn about their faith the stranger it is. Hope they can return to Rome 🙏🏼
Rome changed God's laws and added contemporary Roman pagan holy days. The new covenant Passover in the Church of God is how Jesus gave us sinners the forgiveness of sins.
@@hexfetti8494Jesus breathed on his disciples and said to them, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” Our Lord gave the authority to forgive sins to the Church.
@@andreatimmers1720 they've published their history since the beginning. Most of the so-called controversies come from the journal of discourse which was openly published for over a century. Mormons don't shy from their history or beliefs
@@andreatimmers1720 no, the same tired anti-Mormon arguments haven't changed on a century. The nonsense of the Godmakers hasn't changed, nor the response. It's portrayed as a new shocking revelation but all the tired points you bring up are nothing new.
Right on! Not to mention, they're both fraudulent individuals who, most definitely, failed in life and so chose to lead people astray as last resort to rise above their stations.
Smith was looking for Tresors & Gold and that's why he met the guardian of the tresor which usually are demons, having salamander appearance !. Everything started from that point for smith, a possession ! Mohammed was looking for the....... Truth. Big difference 😀
Beside the glaring horrendous moral implications of polygamy, for me the worst part of polygamy is having to deal with multiple women actually. I don't think most men would have the patience to have more than one wife in their lives. Patience is a finite resource.
Polygamous societies create structural imbalances. The high status men take multiple wives and some men get none.. this creates pressure to expand the pool of available mates, hence taking younger and younger “women” for wives. Also sometimes there is pressure to drive the young men out of the community or engage in warfare.
@jennifermorse2372 Yea so you get the boys will be boys in all forms of society. Why can we all just be perfect??? No matter what God wants from us... we just can't get anything right. Polygamy has never been for mankind... it has been for God's purposes. To raise a people unto himself. What kind of people?? People that are more righteous than others. He wants children brought into families that care about these things.. He wiped the entire world of people except for the 8 righteous souls that were left!! Why would he do that? Have you ever contemplated the thought process concerning it? The same was with Sodom and Gomorrah. There was not to be one righteous child brought into the world when the parents were totally wicked. All were being born into pure wickedness. There was no sense on bringing more children into families like this.. So he destroyed Sodom... he destroyed Gomorrah... and he destroyed all but 8 souls in the flood. But when he has a people that is in the midst of wickedness of other people... he will command it with the intent to raise a people to himself. Monogamy is the rule.... polygamy is the exception to the rule. But only to God's rule... man does not have the choice to take it upon themselves. It goes against God when he does not authorize it.
@@tashajoykin5192 That is why he did NOT command it with the Nephites. He brought Two families together on this trip and through marriage became one family. And of course... we are getting into the in genetics of this family as being real close. I am sure something was done until the generations were so far apart that nothing needed to be done. The only enemies were among family members and the Lord took care of that by highlighting the skin color in those that called themselves Lamanites. That is why the Lord forbid the Nephites from practicing Polygamy. There was no need. He already brought the people he wanted that would raise seed unto himself. I feel that DNA probably did change in the Brothers of Nephi. And I would suppose also in those that remained with Laman & Lemuel.
@skyspring7704 You can't not make a statement like that and offer no proof!!! How did he blackmail her?? When did he blackmail her? Show the proof skyspring.... show the proof!!
God is merciful. He loves ALL his children. If you believe in eternal marriage and family, Would God not provide a way for his ancient prophets and modern day polygamists all over the world to be united in the afterlife? Should they be withheld from God if they turn towards God in the afterlife? Joseph Smith had the life mission to restore the gospel in it's fullness. That was His mission. Thankfully we don't have to practice polygamy for it to have been restored in the latter days. So polygamy or rather a way for polygamous families through out all time, had been created by a merciful God who loves ALL of his children. It makes sense that Joseph married a large variety of women to fulfill this restoration in saving polygamous prophets and modern day families in Africa etc. That they wouldn't loose their eternal families of having their husband and father because it would be unmerciful for God to tell the second wife and her children that they are out of luck in having thier husband and father in the eternities. And many in history did marry 14 year olds. Not right by todays standards, but he didn't live in modern times along with many in history. I have many in my family who ran away at age 14 and married to leave home. I don't judge them either. I haven't walked in any of their shoes thankfully. But God knows them all and provides a way for All his children...
. (Abraham, yes Isaac did too, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, etc.) Joseph Smith brought the restoration and it is no longer practiced. It follows the Biblical narrative. Jesus never said he got rid of Polygamy nor was polygamy in the law of Moses. It was a common practice.
The Saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is that he died for our sins, was buried and rose again on the 3rd day, by which we are saved, 1 Corinthians 15 1-4kjv.
This is heavily inaccurate, let’s go through this point by point. Here is that full passage from the Book of Mormon: Jacob 2:23-33 “23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son. 24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. 25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph. 26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. 27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; 28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. 29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes. 30 *For if I will* saith the Lord of Hosts, *raise up seed* unto me, *I will command my people; otherwise* they shall hearken unto these things. 31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands. 32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts. 33 For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save I shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit whoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts.” What’s happening here is that people were using David and Solomon’s polygamy to justify their whoredoms. God tells them that the practice of Polygamy is reserved only for the times it’s necessary (see Deut. 25:5-10). In Joseph Smith’s case, there were several reasons why Polygamy was temporarily re-instituted. One of them was the recent restoration of the sealing keys, the theology of sealing is quite complex, but simply put, they are used to bind families together in heaven with the end goal of bringing together the entire human family, this was particularly done through marriage. In addition, there was the Mormon Extermination Order on top of heavy persecution by mobs leaving thousands widowed and fatherless. So by the time Latter-day Saints had escaped and survived the 1,000 mile journey to Utah, which was a barren desert at the time, polygamy was definitely necessary, otherwise the Latter-day Saints would have gone extinct.
It always amazes me how these obviously false religions managed to get a following, and end up actually having a successful run throughout history. Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, basically any religion that bases its core doctrines around sex and control.
The lds church which you know as mormonism is not sexual. In fact it one of the cleanest. No sex until marriage and the law of chastity. It is very anti sexual for most of your life.
I got news for you Abraham, Issac, Jacob and David were by the Lord's had assigned multiple wives for the expressed purpose to replenish the earth and raise a Holy Nation Unto God. He did it in ancient times so Shall the God of Israel being the same yesterday today and tomorrow do the same with his modern prophets.
Jacob 2, the chapter you’re referring to condemns polygamy unless it is commander of God to raise up seed, as seen with Abraham and Jacob In addition, there is much more context to the marriage with a 14-year-old, as well as “sending husbands away”
Amen, and anybody belonging The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does worship only Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. They do not worship Joseph Smith. Just like Israelites did not worship Moses or Abraham etc.
@@HouseOfAntioch I understand that it is only through Jesus that I can be redeemed and forgiven of my sins by being a modern day disciple and following Him. By confessing daily of my shortcomings in prayer to the almighty God and doing what I can to obey the two great commandments. Love God and love my neighbor. You can say I worship a different Christ than you but that doesn’t make sense.
@@HouseOfAntioch Oh yeah, I forget y’all don’t think we are all Gods Children. I see your contention and you have a fair point. Yeah we are all Gods Children. Even the really bad people like Hitler etc. And we believe Jesus is also The Son of God. He is the only begotten Son in the flesh but we are all spiritual offspring of our Father in Heaven. And Lucifer as well but he rebelled against God and His plan and became Satan by choice. I get how this would make you think Mine is a different Jesus and that’s cool (no sarcasm, I totally forgot that we disagree on this point). Anyway. I am curious to know where you think the devil came from. Is he a being independent of God? Is not God the creator of all things? I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Just trying to find common ground with you my fellow child of God.
To find the origins of the Mormon church, take the tour of the Smith house in Salt Lake City. Maybe it's the Brigham Young house. Anyway, just look at the titles of the books on the shelves. It's astonishing what you will find.
it has always interested me in how many religions put and keep women in the kitchen, so to speak.... keeping them covered up from head to toe, barefoot, pregnant decided these are misogynistic - no respect for strengths, intelligence, artistic gifts you know, things other than ability to reproduce or look beautiful 🤔 there has never been a female imam or pope, or elder (Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons) there never will be edit: jesus did have Mary Mag, but she was not a disciple
This poor guy. He reads the Book of Mormon but doesn't understand what it actually said concerning the condemnation of Polygamy. I guess he just glossed over it. Or he saw it but decided not understand it or still yet... just decided that it was not important. Too bad. So this is what he read: 23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son. 24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. 25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a arighteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph. 26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. 27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any aman among you have save it be bone cwife; and concubines he shall have none; 28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. 29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes. But it looks like he forgot the last verse... shucky darn: 30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things. So people... If God wants it to happen, he will command it. Guess what? As a part of the Restoration... he commanded it. He allowed it for only 50 years. And then it was done.
I should also teach you all about the laws of the United States and the rest of the world concerning marriage and the female's right to consent to marriage and according to the law of the land... what the age of consent was. Ready??? There is a thing called Presentism. According to the dictionary.. the definition is "uncritical adherence to present-day attitudes, especially the tendency to interpret past events in terms of modern values and concepts." In other words: The definition of the word means essentially to judge someone of the past based on the modern values of the present. What this means.. is to put OUR value system.. OUR way of seeing things today... OUR current political correctness upon those who lived in the past. As an example... In Joseph Smith's day.. according to the laws of the land that were established before Joseph Smith was even born.... this is what we find: The age of consent for marriage under English common law was TEN. United States law did not raise the age of consent until the late nineteenth century. In Joseph Smith’s day, most states still had the declared age of consent to be TEN! Some had raised it to TWELVE, and Delaware had lowered it to SEVEN! (See Melina McTigue, “Statutory Rape Law Reform in Nineteenth Century Maryland: An Analysis of Theory and Practical Change,” (2002), accessed 5 Feb 2005) In 1880 (nearly 40 years after Joseph Smith’s death), the minimal age of female consent in Illinois was age 10. The following U. S. states (and territories) identified their minimal age of female consent at age 10 in 1880: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. (Source 1) The following states identified their ages of female consent at 12 in 1880: Arizona, District of Columbia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Nevada, Virginia, Washington, and West Virginia. (Source 1) Outside the U. S., Denmark’s minimum age for female consent was 12 in 1880-and still 12 in 1920. Same ages and dates for Portugal, Scotland, and Spain. By 1880 England had advanced the minimal age from 12 to 13. The age of consent in Canada and Australia in 1880 was also 12. By 1920 Canada had advanced the age to 14. In Russia the minimum age in 1880 was 10. It advanced to 14 by 1920. (Source 1) So.. to put Joseph Smith down and look down upon him for what you think is wrong... without understanding the standards and attitudes of HIS day.. is wrong on your part. You want to leave the church because he married a 14 year old.. then leave it. That is your choice. Moses actually killed a man.. and not in self defense.. before he became the prophet. Leave the church on that account as well. Oh... and don't forget. The 14 year old that Joseph married consented... and so did both her parents. SOURCE1 (Sources of information: Stephen Robertson, “Age of Consent Laws,” in Children and Youth in History, Item, #230,chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230 Martin Killias, “The Emergence of a New Taboo: The Desexualization of Youth in Western Societies Since 1800,” European Journal on Criminal Policy and Research 8 (2000); and Mary Odem, Delinquent Daughters: Policing and Protecting Adolescent Female Sexuality in the United States, 1885-1920, Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press, 1995.)
We’re not Catholic because of Moses but because of CHRIST. But I digress. Your argument is that God commanded polygamy for 50 years, even after condemning it explicitly in Mormon scripture, but that does not hold up in history. Smith denied teaching polygamy even while practicing it himself. It wasn’t publicly proclaimed until after his death. And the practice ended for political reasons, not on the basis of revelation, so that Utah could join the Union. The entire delusion was man made, not commanded by the Lord of Hosts.
@@christinacanto3740 Ok... time for a LDS scripture reading of something you know nothing about. Here is the Scripture from the Book of Mormon that you referenced but just failed to read the whole thing: 23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son. 24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. 25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph. 26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old. 27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none; 28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts. 29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes. HERE IS THE VERSE YOU MISSED!!!! 30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
Uh. Most of this stuff is way out of context. Joseph didn’t send husbands away to marry their wives. The 14 year olds father insisted he marry her. She loved polygamy and was the most outspoken author about it. It was a non sexual relationship. You have done a real disservice to truth. I’m all for not believing the Mormon church, but truth and accuracy is important
Incorrect, the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints stopped practicing polygamy when it became illegal. Anyone practicing polygamy is not part of the LDS church. They are fundamentalists and extremists. The LDS Church was persecuted so much when it first started that most of the men were killed off. So the saints were commanded to marry up the wives that had lost their husbands and join families to cross the country and start a new life where they could live in peace. 🙏
@@christinacanto3740 Good evening, Christina. He did make a factual mistake about the prohibition of polygamy in the Book of Mormon as well as some of the details about Joseph Smith’s practice of polygamy.
Real Jacob 2:24 (from Holy Bible says) - "You see then that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith." I bet, millions will view this clip and think your verse is from the Holy Bible when it is in fact from the Book of Mormon.
@@pawwelmussial2916 i see, i guess, that explains why in my native language, St. James name is St. Yakobus (much closer to Jacob than James), but that doesn't change the fact that that verse is actually in the Holy bible also isn't that guy a reformer or at least has a lot of problems with the church?
@@pawwelmussial2916How can a Christian hate the Jews. They are misguided but often sincere. Also their Rabbi's analyses of the Old Testament are extremely enlightening, makes me see the Bible in a whole new light.
Mohammad and Joseph Smith must have met the same "angel"
Ohhh yep thats the case hahahaah 😅
I think that "angel" was sitting on a watchtower.
Yep a fallen one
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep whats the refernece here
Smith was looking for Tresors & Gold and that's why he met the guardian of the tresor which usually are demons, having salamander appearance !. Everything started from that point for smith, a possession !
Mohammed was looking for the....... Truth.
Big difference 😀
I'm a catholic in Utah. Mormons are very nice beautiful people by in large. But the more I learn about their faith the stranger it is. Hope they can return to Rome 🙏🏼
Rome changed God's laws and added contemporary Roman pagan holy days. The new covenant Passover in the Church of God is how Jesus gave us sinners the forgiveness of sins.
Smith was a delusional fanatic inventing whatever suited him
I'm Catholic too. I encourage you read ,watch more of Catholic apologetic works so to be CCP : Catholic convincing Protestants.
@@hexfetti8494take a hike
@@hexfetti8494Jesus breathed on his disciples and said to them, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Our Lord gave the authority to forgive sins to the Church.
They're now denying their history.
They published all of this freely. Literally all of it.
Well with the Internet they don't have much of a choice
@@andreatimmers1720 they've published their history since the beginning. Most of the so-called controversies come from the journal of discourse which was openly published for over a century. Mormons don't shy from their history or beliefs
@@briandavis6898 No? Maybe it is a moving target.
@@andreatimmers1720 no, the same tired anti-Mormon arguments haven't changed on a century. The nonsense of the Godmakers hasn't changed, nor the response. It's portrayed as a new shocking revelation but all the tired points you bring up are nothing new.
Joseph Smith is the western equivalent of Muhammad. No that's obviously not a compliment.
I've always thought the same ... Channelling demons
Right on! Not to mention, they're both fraudulent individuals who, most definitely, failed in life and so chose to lead people astray as last resort to rise above their stations.
fr i had the same thought.
Smith was looking for Tresors & Gold and that's why he met the guardian of the tresor which usually are demons, having salamander appearance !. Everything started from that point for smith, a possession !
Mohammed was looking for the....... Truth.
Big difference 😀
That is a complement
Classic cult leader move... "god makes exceptions for me..." reminds me of another famous prophet 🤣
haha ha ha ha. i know that one
Mohammed also married his adopted sons wife… curious commonality
She was a Roman Catholic nun, his one wife. I don't know how many he had. Dr Walter Veith gives seminars on it
And?
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Why?
The real problem with polygamy is that you will have many....Mothers in Law !!! 🤣
Lol. Unless all your wives are literal sisters! 😂
Beside the glaring horrendous moral implications of polygamy, for me the worst part of polygamy is having to deal with multiple women actually. I don't think most men would have the patience to have more than one wife in their lives. Patience is a finite resource.
One wife is enough I cannot even imagine having more than one
@kenzo2297
But the thing is... it is true. How many men have had problems with their mother in laws??? Enough that many men have complained.
Hilarious and underrated comment
Polygamous societies create structural imbalances. The high status men take multiple wives and some men get none.. this creates pressure to expand the pool of available mates, hence taking younger and younger “women” for wives. Also sometimes there is pressure to drive the young men out of the community or engage in warfare.
@jennifermorse2372 Yea so you get the boys will be boys in all forms of society. Why can we all just be perfect??? No matter what God wants from us... we just can't get anything right.
Polygamy has never been for mankind... it has been for God's purposes. To raise a people unto himself. What kind of people?? People that are more righteous than others. He wants children brought into families that care about these things.. He wiped the entire world of people except for the 8 righteous souls that were left!! Why would he do that? Have you ever contemplated the thought process concerning it? The same was with Sodom and Gomorrah. There was not to be one righteous child brought into the world when the parents were totally wicked. All were being born into pure wickedness. There was no sense on bringing more children into families like this.. So he destroyed Sodom... he destroyed Gomorrah... and he destroyed all but 8 souls in the flood. But when he has a people that is in the midst of wickedness of other people... he will command it with the intent to raise a people to himself. Monogamy is the rule.... polygamy is the exception to the rule. But only to God's rule... man does not have the choice to take it upon themselves. It goes against God when he does not authorize it.
I never thought of these reasons before.
@@tashajoykin5192 That is why he did NOT command it with the Nephites. He brought Two families together on this trip and through marriage became one family. And of course... we are getting into the in genetics of this family as being real close. I am sure something was done until the generations were so far apart that nothing needed to be done. The only enemies were among family members and the Lord took care of that by highlighting the skin color in those that called themselves Lamanites. That is why the Lord forbid the Nephites from practicing Polygamy. There was no need. He already brought the people he wanted that would raise seed unto himself.
I feel that DNA probably did change in the Brothers of Nephi. And I would suppose also in those that remained with Laman & Lemuel.
@@MrNirom1Lmao😂😅
@@larenzowesley30 Oh... of course. The person who has nothing to offer but laughing at others. Wow... you are quite the human being!!
Joseph was really on some latter day saints
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He blackmailed a 14-year-old into marrying him when he was already married? That's sickening.
@skyspring7704 You can't not make a statement like that and offer no proof!!! How did he blackmail her?? When did he blackmail her? Show the proof skyspring.... show the proof!!
well ask the girl and him. @@MrNirom1
Great work on this short! Love the music especially.
Let me know how the magic underwear works.
Superpowers
Very well done interview ❤
Reminds me of Mohammad
I’m sure Joseph Smith are “Gods” now in their own little corner of hell right now.
Return to Jesus
@felinaoreite2522
Why should I return to Jesus when I have not left him?
One thing about polygamy is that a whole lot of wives leads to a whole lot of kids. Its a way to create a population in a short period of time.
Not any more than one husband each for all those wives. What you end up with is a lot of men who are alone
The weed in the wheat. Why can't they see it?
God is merciful. He loves ALL his children. If you believe in eternal marriage and family, Would God not provide a way for his ancient prophets and modern day polygamists all over the world to be united in the afterlife? Should they be withheld from God if they turn towards God in the afterlife?
Joseph Smith had the life mission to restore the gospel in it's fullness. That was His mission. Thankfully we don't have to practice polygamy for it to have been restored in the latter days.
So polygamy or rather a way for polygamous families through out all time, had been created by a merciful God who loves ALL of his children. It makes sense that Joseph married a large variety of women to fulfill this restoration in saving polygamous prophets and modern day families in Africa etc. That they wouldn't loose their eternal families of having their husband and father because it would be unmerciful for God to tell the second wife and her children that they are out of luck in having thier husband and father in the eternities. And many in history did marry 14 year olds. Not right by todays standards, but he didn't live in modern times along with many in history. I have many in my family who ran away at age 14 and married to leave home. I don't judge them either. I haven't walked in any of their shoes thankfully. But God knows them all and provides a way for All his children...
Probably the most Christ-like comment yet. 🙏
Awfully similar to the Islamic prophet 🤔
. (Abraham, yes Isaac did too, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, etc.) Joseph Smith brought the restoration and it is no longer practiced. It follows the Biblical narrative. Jesus never said he got rid of Polygamy nor was polygamy in the law of Moses. It was a common practice.
The Saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is that he died for our sins, was buried and rose again on the 3rd day, by which we are saved, 1 Corinthians 15 1-4kjv.
It was Brigham Young, do your homework!
This is heavily inaccurate, let’s go through this point by point. Here is that full passage from the Book of Mormon:
Jacob 2:23-33
“23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 *For if I will* saith the Lord of Hosts, *raise up seed* unto me, *I will command my people; otherwise* they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
33 For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save I shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit whoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts.”
What’s happening here is that people were using David and Solomon’s polygamy to justify their whoredoms. God tells them that the practice of Polygamy is reserved only for the times it’s necessary (see Deut. 25:5-10). In Joseph Smith’s case, there were several reasons why Polygamy was temporarily re-instituted. One of them was the recent restoration of the sealing keys, the theology of sealing is quite complex, but simply put, they are used to bind families together in heaven with the end goal of bringing together the entire human family, this was particularly done through marriage.
In addition, there was the Mormon Extermination Order on top of heavy persecution by mobs leaving thousands widowed and fatherless. So by the time Latter-day Saints had escaped and survived the 1,000 mile journey to Utah, which was a barren desert at the time, polygamy was definitely necessary, otherwise the Latter-day Saints would have gone extinct.
It always amazes me how these obviously false religions managed to get a following, and end up actually having a successful run throughout history. Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, basically any religion that bases its core doctrines around sex and control.
It's due to psychological manipulation and indoctrination.
The lds church which you know as mormonism is not sexual.
In fact it one of the cleanest. No sex until marriage and the law of chastity. It is very anti sexual for most of your life.
Be honest its origins are peverse.
I got news for you Abraham, Issac, Jacob and David were by the Lord's had assigned multiple wives for the expressed purpose to replenish the earth and raise a Holy Nation Unto God. He did it in ancient times so Shall the God of Israel being the same yesterday today and tomorrow do the same with his modern prophets.
Jacob 2, the chapter you’re referring to condemns polygamy unless it is commander of God to raise up seed, as seen with Abraham and Jacob
In addition, there is much more context to the marriage with a 14-year-old, as well as “sending husbands away”
Why do people follow a mere man? They will be dead and forgotten about. Why not follow Jesus Christ, the Son of God? Makes no sense to me.
Amen, and anybody belonging The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does worship only Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. They do not worship Joseph Smith. Just like Israelites did not worship Moses or Abraham etc.
@@mwalwynnA different jesus christ created by joseph smith though
@@HouseOfAntioch I understand that it is only through Jesus that I can be redeemed and forgiven of my sins by being a modern day disciple and following Him. By confessing daily of my shortcomings in prayer to the almighty God and doing what I can to obey the two great commandments. Love God and love my neighbor. You can say I worship a different Christ than you but that doesn’t make sense.
@@mwalwynnIs it true that you guys believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers?
@@HouseOfAntioch Oh yeah, I forget y’all don’t think we are all Gods Children. I see your contention and you have a fair point. Yeah we are all Gods Children. Even the really bad people like Hitler etc. And we believe Jesus is also The Son of God. He is the only begotten Son in the flesh but we are all spiritual offspring of our Father in Heaven. And Lucifer as well but he rebelled against God and His plan and became Satan by choice. I get how this would make you think Mine is a different Jesus and that’s cool (no sarcasm, I totally forgot that we disagree on this point). Anyway. I am curious to know where you think the devil came from. Is he a being independent of God? Is not God the creator of all things? I’m not trying to be disrespectful. Just trying to find common ground with you my fellow child of God.
Sounds cultists to me.
Everything that you have been told it’s been a lie and the church is over and over and over again proved it wrong to listen to this man. He’s a liar.
To find the origins of the Mormon church, take the tour of the Smith house in Salt Lake City. Maybe it's the Brigham Young house. Anyway, just look at the titles of the books on the shelves. It's astonishing what you will find.
For those of us who can't go there, do share!!
Things are allowed when God says they are, and not allowed when He says they aren't.
and still its growing 😮
Institute of Catholic Culture, kingdom of the cults series is gold.
it has always interested me in how many religions put and keep women in the kitchen, so to speak....
keeping them covered up from head to toe, barefoot, pregnant
decided these are misogynistic - no respect for strengths, intelligence, artistic gifts
you know, things other than ability to reproduce or look beautiful
🤔
there has never been a female imam or pope, or elder (Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons)
there never will be
edit: jesus did have Mary Mag, but she was not a disciple
This poor guy. He reads the Book of Mormon but doesn't understand what it actually said concerning the condemnation of Polygamy. I guess he just glossed over it. Or he saw it but decided not understand it or still yet... just decided that it was not important.
Too bad.
So this is what he read:
23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a arighteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any aman among you have save it be bone cwife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
But it looks like he forgot the last verse... shucky darn:
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
So people... If God wants it to happen, he will command it. Guess what? As a part of the Restoration... he commanded it. He allowed it for only 50 years. And then it was done.
I should also teach you all about the laws of the United States and the rest of the world concerning marriage and the female's right to consent to marriage and according to the law of the land... what the age of consent was.
Ready???
There is a thing called Presentism. According to the dictionary.. the definition is "uncritical adherence to present-day attitudes, especially the tendency to interpret past events in terms of modern values and concepts."
In other words: The definition of the word means essentially to judge someone of the past based on the modern values of the present.
What this means.. is to put OUR value system.. OUR way of seeing things today... OUR current political correctness upon those who lived in the past.
As an example... In Joseph Smith's day.. according to the laws of the land that were established before Joseph Smith was even born.... this is what we find:
The age of consent for marriage under English common law was TEN. United States law did not raise the age of consent until the late nineteenth century. In Joseph Smith’s day, most states still had the declared age of consent to be TEN! Some had raised it to TWELVE, and Delaware had lowered it to SEVEN! (See Melina McTigue, “Statutory Rape Law Reform in Nineteenth Century Maryland: An Analysis of Theory and Practical Change,” (2002), accessed 5 Feb 2005)
In 1880 (nearly 40 years after Joseph Smith’s death), the minimal age of female consent in Illinois was age 10. The following U. S. states (and territories) identified their minimal age of female consent at age 10 in 1880: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. (Source 1)
The following states identified their ages of female consent at 12 in 1880: Arizona, District of Columbia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Nevada, Virginia, Washington, and West Virginia. (Source 1)
Outside the U. S., Denmark’s minimum age for female consent was 12 in 1880-and still 12 in 1920. Same ages and dates for Portugal, Scotland, and Spain. By 1880 England had advanced the minimal age from 12 to 13. The age of consent in Canada and Australia in 1880 was also 12. By 1920 Canada had advanced the age to 14. In Russia the minimum age in 1880 was 10. It advanced to 14 by 1920. (Source 1)
So.. to put Joseph Smith down and look down upon him for what you think is wrong... without understanding the standards and attitudes of HIS day.. is wrong on your part.
You want to leave the church because he married a 14 year old.. then leave it. That is your choice. Moses actually killed a man.. and not in self defense.. before he became the prophet. Leave the church on that account as well.
Oh... and don't forget. The 14 year old that Joseph married consented... and so did both her parents.
SOURCE1 (Sources of information: Stephen Robertson, “Age of Consent Laws,” in Children and Youth in History, Item, #230,chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230 Martin Killias,
“The Emergence of a New Taboo: The Desexualization of Youth in Western Societies Since 1800,” European Journal on Criminal Policy and Research 8 (2000); and Mary Odem,
Delinquent Daughters: Policing and Protecting Adolescent Female Sexuality in the United States, 1885-1920, Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press, 1995.)
We’re not Catholic because of Moses but because of CHRIST. But I digress.
Your argument is that God commanded polygamy for 50 years, even after condemning it explicitly in Mormon scripture, but that does not hold up in history. Smith denied teaching polygamy even while practicing it himself. It wasn’t publicly proclaimed until after his death. And the practice ended for political reasons, not on the basis of revelation, so that Utah could join the Union. The entire delusion was man made, not commanded by the Lord of Hosts.
@@christinacanto3740 Ok... time for a LDS scripture reading of something you know nothing about. Here is the Scripture from the Book of Mormon that you referenced but just failed to read the whole thing:
23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
HERE IS THE VERSE YOU MISSED!!!!
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
Sickening
Is this documented? Is this why they put him and he's fellow Mormons in jail???
Read Brian Hales’ books, they examine all available documents
Don’t you love historians who aren’t really historians, yet feel the need to broadcast their opinions?
Uh. Most of this stuff is way out of context.
Joseph didn’t send husbands away to marry their wives.
The 14 year olds father insisted he marry her. She loved polygamy and was the most outspoken author about it. It was a non sexual relationship.
You have done a real disservice to truth. I’m all for not believing the Mormon church, but truth and accuracy is important
The faith? you mean cult of personality
They still are marriage to multiple people
Incorrect, the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints stopped practicing polygamy when it became illegal. Anyone practicing polygamy is not part of the LDS church. They are fundamentalists and extremists. The LDS Church was persecuted so much when it first started that most of the men were killed off. So the saints were commanded to marry up the wives that had lost their husbands and join families to cross the country and start a new life where they could live in peace. 🙏
Nah, that’s the Fundamentalists. The mainstream sect (LDS church) has prohibited it since 1890
Is there a chance the guest is sincere but misinformed on the matter?
No, he is not mistaken.
@@deborahbriscoe-graves6244 Good evening, Deborah. Was he factually incorrect in anything he said?
Misinformed that JS was a polygamist and yet the BOM prohibits polygamy? No.
@@christinacanto3740 Good evening, Christina. He did make a factual mistake about the prohibition of polygamy in the Book of Mormon as well as some of the details about Joseph Smith’s practice of polygamy.
There is a chance, but in fact he his telling the truth.
Polygamy is not sin
Real Jacob 2:24 (from Holy Bible says) - "You see then that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith."
I bet, millions will view this clip and think your verse is from the Holy Bible when it is in fact from the Book of Mormon.
That's james 2:24 which is in the bible
There likely won’t be any confusion because most English speakers call the book of the Bible James
@@pawwelmussial2916 i see, i guess, that explains why in my native language, St. James name is St. Yakobus (much closer to Jacob than James), but that doesn't change the fact that that verse is actually in the Holy bible also isn't that guy a reformer or at least has a lot of problems with the church?
@@pawwelmussial2916 i see thank you for the info
@@pawwelmussial2916How can a Christian hate the Jews. They are misguided but often sincere.
Also their Rabbi's analyses of the Old Testament are extremely enlightening, makes me see the Bible in a whole new light.
Brigham young started it