BUILD and TEST 400,000 Year Old NEANDERTHAL Throwing Spear

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  • Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
  • The Schöningen spears are a set of ten wooden weapons from the Palaeolithic Age that were excavated between 1994 and 1999 from the 'Spear Horizon' in the open-cast lignite mine in Schöningen, Helmstedt district, Germany. The spears are the oldest hunting weapons discovered and were found together with animal bones and stone and bone tools. Being used by the oldest known group of hunters, they provided never before uncovered proof that early human ancestors were much closer to modern humans in both complex social structure and technical ability than thought before.
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  • @Sandader
    @Sandader Месяц назад +101

    Heyho! Greetings from Germany! Magnus here we know each other from Trackerschool 10+ years ago! I worked at the Paleon Schoeningen Spears Museum! (to be exact the spears were made by Homo Heidelbergensis the ancestor of Homo Neandertalensis the excavation is still ongoing)

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +47

      I read that and the research I found mentioned likely built by both, but heavily used by Neanderthals. It’s hard with limited access to get all the facts, but it’s still fun to build them.

    • @jzjzjzj
      @jzjzjzj Месяц назад +4

      @@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks heidelbergensis is just the ancestor of neanderthals, it's not that important of a distinction, they're just even more archaic neanderthals, lacking the human like male lineage that later neanderthals acquired being even more apelike, where neanderthals were roughly 50% more human like thanks to a y chromosomal lineage replacement.

    • @prepperstate9505
      @prepperstate9505 Месяц назад +2

      Magnus, have any animal remains been found around the location these spears were found? Curious to know what type of animals these ancient dudes were using the 'Schoeningen" spears on?

    • @user-io6pj8bz8h
      @user-io6pj8bz8h Месяц назад +3

      ​@@jzjzjzjWhat, hahahaha, what nonsense

    • @jzjzjzj
      @jzjzjzj Месяц назад

      @@user-io6pj8bz8h tell 90% of science journals that, "Y-chromosomal replacement" means human like males showed up where the neanderthals were, and well replaced them, meaning only the female neanderthals survived and had kids from that certain point around 300KYA.

  • @keithwhittington1322
    @keithwhittington1322 Месяц назад +54

    The hard part is finding 400,000 yr old elk to throw it at.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +25

      @@keithwhittington1322 hahaha. No doubt. Maybe some hogs in Texas on a future video.

    • @CharlesHuse
      @CharlesHuse Месяц назад +9

      I'm waiting for that life-size 3D foam mammoth. I can just imagine the neighbors when I set up a 12 foot tall fuzzy elephant in the back yard....not to mention the UPS driver that gets to deliver it.

    • @thewalruswasjason101
      @thewalruswasjason101 Месяц назад

      lol, you’re never getting penetration throwing that heavy spear. You need an atlatl

    • @miquelescribanoivars5049
      @miquelescribanoivars5049 Месяц назад +3

      I mean, looking at what we know of Schöningen, it seems that it was horses what got targeted the most.

  • @garondupree8165
    @garondupree8165 Месяц назад +26

    This is a project ive been planning myself for a while! The schöningen spears are my favourite of the neanderthal finds. Amazing work!

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +5

      Awesome! Thank you! It was a fun build and with some practice a very effective hunting tool. 🤙

  • @Jack-ic1kb
    @Jack-ic1kb Месяц назад +13

    The shape of those spears were pretty neat, keeps the correct orientation when in flight and the fact that the weight is more towards the tip means the tip gets driven in harder than if the weight was more middle third

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +5

      Absolutely. It was a pretty amazing marvel of ingenuity and adaptation. Try masters of their craft. Thanks for watching 🤙

  • @GeoffSebesta
    @GeoffSebesta Месяц назад +33

    Best youtube survivalist. No macho garbage, no annoying background music, least worst beard.

    • @TheNotBadNorthernLad
      @TheNotBadNorthernLad 7 часов назад

      No fancy gadgets either, showing it can be done with nothing

  • @outdoorloser4340
    @outdoorloser4340 Месяц назад +40

    Neanderthals were badass.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +10

      Absolutely no doubt!

    • @willcool713
      @willcool713 Месяц назад +9

      Autistic developmental pathways appear to be from Neanderthal heritage. We know they had bigger, differently proportioned brains from ours, less folds in the cortex (grey matter), but probably more cross connections (white matter) throughout. It appears they invented religion, art, and language, too. They may have been an entire race of savants -- very different from us, likely less social, possibly less consceince, but far smarter.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +9

      @@willcool713 that’s a fair assessment and very likely true in some ways!! Thanks!

    • @RachDarastric2
      @RachDarastric2 Месяц назад +7

      I am 45% Neanderthal.

    • @bonanzaking1527
      @bonanzaking1527 Месяц назад +6

      @@RachDarastric2 Judging by the hair on my ass, I'm 65% Neanderthal, no kidding🤣

  • @paulfreeman23000
    @paulfreeman23000 Месяц назад +9

    Thank You Donny for bringing history to life, Excellent as always.

  • @17Liberty76
    @17Liberty76 Месяц назад +8

    Loved the shots of Finn watching the spear fly and the one of him running after it 😂

  • @chief1721
    @chief1721 Месяц назад +12

    I remember a german documentation, where a german athlet as part of an experiment threw reconstrutions of these spears. With some practise he soon reached the same distances as with modern olympic javelins. While stone age people might not have thrown for maximum distance, it showed that they already knew how to optimize their tools even with the primitive technologies they had at hand.
    I work in a open air museum in Germany (Oerlinghausen) where we cover the time from stone ages to early medieval period.
    The spear thrower is another fascinating stone age technology that showcase what a keen eye for applied physics these people had and how to use it to their advantage long before the formulas behind it were discovered.

    • @unhommequicourt
      @unhommequicourt 23 дня назад

      No, the athletes didn t reach modern olympic javelin distance. By far. Their best throws reached 20 meters according to the studies. Don t spread misinformation

    • @unhommequicourt
      @unhommequicourt 23 дня назад

      @@Toxicpoolofreekingmascul-lj4yd to be fair, the studies measured throws aimed at a precise object to simulate hunting. So they could probably throw further, just not accurately.
      However these prehistorical javelins are still far from equaling the performance of modern olympic javelins

  • @bracoop2
    @bracoop2 Месяц назад +2

    Another amazing and educational video from the most entertaining and authentic survival channel on RUclips. Thanks again Donny!

  • @jimwhelan4485
    @jimwhelan4485 22 дня назад +1

    Thank you that was an excellent example of experimental archeology and very well illustrated. I noted the last throw of the spear took on a sideways curve all on its own possibly down to vibration in the wood itself. Many of the mediums we worked in back then left no trace but if you look at an ancient arrow it has fletches/feathers to give drag to the back of the shaft and keep it in straight flight. I imagine that your beautiful ancient spear might have simply had a few long feathers just bound onto the back of its shaft because we have known about aerodynamics since before we had a scientific name for it. I’d love to see the result of a short experiment on the addition of a few loose feathers. Congratulations on your hard and excellent work.

  • @greywolfwalking6359
    @greywolfwalking6359 Месяц назад +2

    A good job..thanks for
    the how to's!!
    Now..off to find a good candidate, for a
    spear!!
    👍🐺🧙‍♂️🦊👌

  • @RyanMclain
    @RyanMclain Месяц назад +3

    Appreciate the hell out of it, Donny. That was pretty damned cool.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      @@RyanMclain thanks so very much for watching! Appreciate it greatly!

  • @cathytice6370
    @cathytice6370 Месяц назад +1

    This was awesome to warch! Thank you! I just learned more about spears in 11 minutes than I have in my entire life. Back in the 90's, I had a farm... My nephew and I were burning a bunch of scrub trees and tried fire hardening, smoking venison, and figuring out how to bend wood with heat. It evolved into two days of messing around and learning a ton. We built atlatls that weekend and have gotten fairly decent at lobbing pointed sticks. I cannot wait to show him this video! Thanks again!

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      My absolute pleasure. Thanks so be much for watching. Lots of lessons come from messing around. 🤙

  • @chucklearnslithics3751
    @chucklearnslithics3751 Месяц назад +7

    I've never heard about that. Awesome! Keep in mind that neanderthals were probably much stronger (muscular) than us too when throwing that javelin!

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +5

      I have no doubt they had some raw strength that I and we don’t have. Appreciate you watching!

    • @Jayman2800
      @Jayman2800 Месяц назад +5

      From my own research _(I'm just a guy with access to the Internet and no formal education regarding archeology)_ neanderthals being super strong actually is somewhat of a myth- on average, they were slightly stronger than the average Sapien, but not by much. Pretty much, someone who does strongman competitions has about the same strength as neanderthals

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +4

      @@Jayman2800 interesting for sure. I have one archeology class at a community college…that’s about it, but 20 plus years of trying to take something read in academic papers and make it real. For this I focused more on “could they fly” and “could they be thrown”. I think it worked out.

    • @chucklearnslithics3751
      @chucklearnslithics3751 Месяц назад +2

      @@Jayman2800 Soo... You're saying Donny could take em! 😂
      There's certainly plenty we don't know about them. I have read papers estimating their muscle mass, but I have no idea if they've held up or what the current consensus is. I have no compelling reason to doubt you or take a side.

    • @anonymousthesneaky220
      @anonymousthesneaky220 Месяц назад +3

      They definitely did have thicker, denser bones than sapiens though. I still think the average (decently fit) modern sapien could take on the average Neanderthal because we are taller. We don’t have brow ridges though.

  • @ingwiafraujaz3126
    @ingwiafraujaz3126 Месяц назад +3

    Love this type of experimental archaeology! I usually have my nose in the papers so it's a nice change to see things actually put into practice. It's flying really well! Neanderthals were so strong that I don't think we can really test how they thrust properly. Our biomechanics are a bit different. But very cool to try. And I'd say you come pretty close with all the muscle you developed from working hard like in this video 💪

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +3

      @@ingwiafraujaz3126 yeah…it was one of things I had to deal with…different species. I guess my focus was on building it and do they fly as a suitable hunting weapon. I have no doubt they got it done !

    • @Reginaldesq
      @Reginaldesq Месяц назад

      My understanding is that Neanderthal were shorter but more muscular. To throw a javelin a long way you want strength, weight and long arms. Not sure about Neanderthal arm length but I guess they wouldn't make a bunch unless they worked. Amazing technology for the time.

  • @tjblackforest69
    @tjblackforest69 20 дней назад

    Very good content, thank you Sir!

  • @robertmccann5838
    @robertmccann5838 Месяц назад

    Thanks for the video. I show my students your vids when we talk about experimental archeology and neolithic culture.

  • @willcool713
    @willcool713 Месяц назад +2

    Wow. That looks like it might adapt to the atlatl really well, too. The way it moves through the air once released makes it an ideal throwing shape. That's amazing. I'm going to go camping and make one this weekend, now -- but I'll use modern tools, LOL.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +2

      Awesome! Get on it. It flies even farther when completely dried out. Have fun🤙

  • @unityosteguin8244
    @unityosteguin8244 Месяц назад +2

    absolutely love the content ! always inspired me to start making these tools too

  • @k1m6a11
    @k1m6a11 Месяц назад +2

    Really fascinating to see this ancient tech in practice! I seem to remember reading years ago that there was a question whether neanderthals had shoulder joints capable of effective range of motion for throwing overhand. But it seems convincing that this was not the case. If anything, given their strength, they must have had one hell of a throw.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +2

      Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. I’m sure, just like people today throwing and hunting throwing likely developed and capabilities improved! Thanks for watching!

  • @gregkral4467
    @gregkral4467 Месяц назад +1

    Ah, good to see you again. thanks for the virtual visit here. Am thinkin of goin out and finding some nice atlatl type dart branches, and maybe look for some quartz or chirt or agate at a muddy dam. But at least their is a rather friendly beaver out there. Polte fella too, hehe, slapped his tail and dove when I came near and startled, hung out and plinked with bow and kinda waved and let him know was no threat, he hung out on surface nice and calm watchin. When I waved goodby on way out, he slapped gently back kinda like a wave back i figure. Hehe, maybe a good day for it. Anywho.. A belated happy 4th, and Canada day all rolled up in one there bud. Thanks for the great lessons. All kids and parents should do and learn how. Besides, is great fun time to talk. Folks just seldom get that kinda time it seems. Cheers.

  • @flashthompson7
    @flashthompson7 Месяц назад +1

    Blessed Love ❤️‍🔥 Thanks for sharing!

  • @storbunlimitedbushcraft6996
    @storbunlimitedbushcraft6996 Месяц назад +2

    Superb video dude, loved that! flew well too.

  • @sveinoleaase
    @sveinoleaase 22 дня назад

    Why is this so satisfying to watch;)

  • @clamsoup
    @clamsoup Месяц назад +1

    Fantastic content. Thanks for a little longer sit.

  • @byronbrown2235
    @byronbrown2235 Месяц назад +1

    Awsome video as always, thank you for your content 😊

  • @liamthar
    @liamthar Месяц назад +3

    Can u make rope out of the bark ?

  • @jvin248
    @jvin248 Месяц назад +2

    I liked seeing you using the big rock like a rough material removal work bench. Maybe a sharp-broken found boulder was used 'back in the day'. Also girdling and breaking rather than trying to saw/whittle all the way through is good to show folks.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +2

      Thanks so much. Having done a couple in the past…you learn some tricks or best practices!

  • @tracyedwards5400
    @tracyedwards5400 Месяц назад +2

    That traveled a lot farther than I thought it would!

  • @josephcormier5974
    @josephcormier5974 Месяц назад +1

    Sir this was a very informative video thank you for sharing this six stars brother

  • @niceguy4875
    @niceguy4875 Месяц назад +3

    I believe they ram the spear into what they were hunting more often, seeing it barely stick the ground. I can't see it piercing a thick hide unless they were really close

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +2

      I’ll do some tests on some carcasses soon!!!

    • @DelGrounder
      @DelGrounder 25 дней назад

      @@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks Giving the fact that Neanderthals were something like twice stronger than Cro-Magnons and Cro-Magnons were like modern athletes, their throw should be really deadly. If you will able to pierce a carcass with your own muscles, than Neanderthals would not needed any sharp tip at all, because of their power.

  • @kevinkline6835
    @kevinkline6835 Месяц назад +1

    Excellent video Donny. Sure is fun watching you work brother. Old age has taken me out of the game but I can still sit on the sidelines. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sir. Many blessings.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      Much respect and appreciation. Thanks so much for wand following the adventures 🤙

    • @kevinkline6835
      @kevinkline6835 Месяц назад

      @@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks My pleasure

  • @dennisstolte1103
    @dennisstolte1103 Месяц назад +1

    Excellent. Honorary PhD. work.

  • @kermitthorson9719
    @kermitthorson9719 Месяц назад

    im so glad this wasnt silliness. i loved this, i felt like i was in an outdoor classroom.

  • @remkojerphanion4686
    @remkojerphanion4686 23 дня назад

    This video is definitely on point.

  • @bobscar327
    @bobscar327 Месяц назад +1

    Great channel, thanks. Love the content.

  • @arctodussimus6198
    @arctodussimus6198 Месяц назад +2

    I suppose with the weight of the spear, the impact would penetrate most animal hides.
    Just curious. When did the atlatl appear? Seems the next stage of this technology. Was it during the Neanderthal era? And did the atlatl appear before stone tips?
    I could look it up but would rather trust what you say over the stuff I find online.
    Thanks for all the content you make.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      Atlatl came much later and you considered it a pretty significant technological advancement. Based on archeological finds the first Atlatl type spear thrower was about 22,000 years ago. Stone projectiles were used in thrusting spears and short throw spears, but wood tipped was the way with the Schoningen spear.

  • @Alun49
    @Alun49 Месяц назад

    Fascinating. As you were working I thought to myself that every action and process you went through, Neanderthals, over tens of thousands of years, did countless times. Nice, simple demo, and in a landscape they would have lived in. Liked and subscribed!

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so very much for that. I appreciate it greatly!!!

  • @user-pu2ho4ip3d
    @user-pu2ho4ip3d Месяц назад +1

    I use to make stuff like that all the time has a kid. Age 67.

  • @gregkral4467
    @gregkral4467 Месяц назад

    SWEET THROW.... That forward weight and trailing distal taper certainly guides the flight beautifully. Right on!

  • @c.r.5106
    @c.r.5106 Месяц назад

    Amazing that our ancestors understood how basic physics worked and incorporated it into the design of these spears. Also Amazing that they used these kind of tools to fight megafauna to survive and here we are today, the product of their struggle.

  • @danholmblad9925
    @danholmblad9925 Месяц назад +1

    Awesome video again.

  • @niceguy4875
    @niceguy4875 Месяц назад +1

    Every time i go camping ever since i was young, i always made a spear.

  • @forendetta8164
    @forendetta8164 Месяц назад +1

    Thank for video donny

  • @undio
    @undio Месяц назад +1

    Great video keep up the good work:)

  • @fishmaniachannel
    @fishmaniachannel Месяц назад

    Wow nice work❤👌

  • @Garrettcoulter
    @Garrettcoulter Месяц назад +10

    In my opinion stone knives are better than metal because with a metal blade you would need a whetstone to sharpen it but with a stone blade you just have to flake it and also the satisfaction I get from making a good strong stone blade just makes the experience 1000 times better

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +3

      Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. Stone is the way to go!

    • @LeChristEstRoi
      @LeChristEstRoi 19 дней назад +1

      Dude the extremely high efficiency of metal blades is worth the time you'll need to spend to sharpen it again from time to time. It's not rocket science, it's quick and easy once you've learned how to do it. If humans changed their stone tools for bronze, iron and steel tools it's not because they are stupid! It's because those metal tools are a huge improvement!

    • @moderncombatarts2956
      @moderncombatarts2956 4 дня назад

      @@Garrettcoulter totally understand if making stone knives is more to your liking, but obviously metal knives are better. If they weren’t, we’d still be using stone knives as the default selection

  • @ambiguousman_6961
    @ambiguousman_6961 Месяц назад +1

    This is the first video ive seen on how to make these in detail seems like stone tools are the way you get almost a perfect replica using them

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      @@ambiguousman_6961 absolutely. In my opinion…what’s the point of building 400,000 year old weapons with modern tools.

  • @Thetruthisstrangerthanfiction
    @Thetruthisstrangerthanfiction Месяц назад +1

    Donny will survive !

  • @curtisbuckles5277
    @curtisbuckles5277 Месяц назад

    Hey Donnie, I've been familiar with your content since Alone and really enjoy it! We see a lot of your stonework but could we get a video breaking down some of your leather bags and pouches? Keep up the good work!

  • @richardharmon4297
    @richardharmon4297 Месяц назад

    just saw a documentary about these spears, the point was off center where the wood is a little harder.
    Great respect for your work and ability. Question: were these spears thrown or were they maid for stabbing?

  • @nunyobidness2358
    @nunyobidness2358 Месяц назад

    Ah, the good ol pointed stick. Never leave the cave without it

  • @user-wo2iw3kt8o
    @user-wo2iw3kt8o Месяц назад +1

    That speer flies very good.

  • @lucymango123
    @lucymango123 Месяц назад

    Wonderful video, thank you 😊The tip seems really rather broad and blunt. Do you think that they may have had a keener point and had to replenish or replace them more often or would the tip shape in this video have enough mass behind it to puncture the game's hide?

  • @StMiBll
    @StMiBll Месяц назад +2

    Just an odd question. As a qualifier, I’ve read a lot about this spear as both a throwing spear and a thrusting spear and all loads of commentary in between. Hypothetically, as a thrower and a simple spear one might make in a survival sort of scenario, would bladelets/microliths work to make it in anyway more effective or would that require a change to the overall spear? I hope that makes sense.

    • @StMiBll
      @StMiBll Месяц назад +1

      A mix of Neanderthal and later h.sapiens tech as it were.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +7

      Makes total sense. I think small microliths on a spear are very practical and can really cut into a hose. I like to think with the change of game, climate and geography…early hominids changed their approach with different variables…adding bone or stone cutting elements as needed. The Schoningen spears are only ten finds…these could have belonged to a small clan that hunted light skinned animals where hardened wood worked. Another clan in colder climates could need stone bladders to cut through thick hides and fur. I think the environment was a factor.

    • @ingwiafraujaz3126
      @ingwiafraujaz3126 Месяц назад +1

      Valid points. ​@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

    • @Reginaldesq
      @Reginaldesq Месяц назад

      @@ingwiafraujaz3126 No pun intended :)

  • @PenDragonsPig
    @PenDragonsPig 7 дней назад

    As kids in the UK we messed with willow and hazel. To start with, no spruce, next, they could come pretty damn straight, then few if any side branches, and they could be fires hardened. There were also holly, elm, oak, and alder- all can be found straight.

  • @Emperor-Justinius
    @Emperor-Justinius 27 дней назад

    It's so cool to watch you make this spear, I used to do this as a kid with my buck knife any time we went camping or I went adventuring out in the land surrounding my dad's farm. I feel like kids today are missing this cool part of growing up. No one told me how to do it, we didn't have modern internet back then, I just did it... instinctually? Genetic memory maybe? I don't know

  • @danthemansmail
    @danthemansmail Месяц назад +1

    Outstanding spear throwing.

  • @mattgoyette4965
    @mattgoyette4965 Месяц назад

    Love your videos. They sparked an interest in me that I Kind of forgot I had and help bring me out of a very difficult and trying time in my life. With some help from others, determination, and (in all seriousness) videos such as yours that reminded me what I enjoyed out of life before serious addiction took control of my life, I am able to say I am not the same person I was not very long ago, far from it and I’m never going back. Thank you Donny.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      Wonderful! Life is a journey and we learn and adapt from it. Much respect and appreciation for you watching and your personal growth 🤙

    • @mattgoyette4965
      @mattgoyette4965 Месяц назад

      @@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks the appreciation is all mine. Thank you

  • @thesixfootsixblacksmith4772
    @thesixfootsixblacksmith4772 Месяц назад

    Super interesting. How many hours of practice did it take to learn to throw straight?

  • @scottmcfarland2149
    @scottmcfarland2149 Месяц назад +1

    Well done sir 👍🏻. 🐾🙏🏻✌🏻🤙🏻

  • @Jaybird616
    @Jaybird616 Месяц назад

    The amount of time that went in to this. So much work for something most people wiuld call a "simple" tool. Its truly fascinating

  • @craig2795
    @craig2795 Месяц назад

    Donny that was brilliant. Like many outdoorsman we all have an interest in ancient man, being in the UK for me it’s a fascination with Doggerland below the now North Sea. But seeing you build these things is like putting flesh back into old bones and bringing it to life. Really appreciate what you’re doing and admire the time and dedication it takes for you to produce each of these amazing items. You’ve already had me out there smashing rocks together wondering how does Donny do this 🤔

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it. Time…that’s how you do it. Tools not trophies are the goal. Appreciate the feedback and you following along on the adventure🤙

  • @lipripper01
    @lipripper01 Месяц назад +1

    thx awesome!!

  • @MizterMoonshine
    @MizterMoonshine Месяц назад +2

    Couldn't stop smiling when you started throwing it. You can really tell this technology had already been in use for hundreds of thousands of years.
    Just out of curiosity, how old are your tattoo sleeves? They're very faded.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +2

      Thanks. Appreciate you watching. My tattoos I started getting around 18/19…I’m 44 now…so absolutely faded!!!

  • @goldinthegreen8593
    @goldinthegreen8593 Месяц назад +1

    Cool build. Some Neanderthals did use spears with stone tips as well though

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      Later yes, not these however.

    • @williamzk9083
      @williamzk9083 Месяц назад

      The process of making pitch to fasten these I believe is quote involved

  • @nickhorten97
    @nickhorten97 Месяц назад

    The original builder of that style of spear had a sound working understanding of ballistics and aerodynamics.

  • @waldfuzz8188
    @waldfuzz8188 Месяц назад

    Nice video.
    What kind of wood did you use? To me it looks quite heavy for a pine tree. The originals were made of very light and not very hard wood (due to availability i propose).
    Wouldn't it be easier to plain the branches, before you remove the bough? I habe no experience with flint tools, but that is what I would have done.

  • @prepperstate9505
    @prepperstate9505 Месяц назад +1

    You had a few really good throws during the video. Do you suppose the users were fairly close to their targets? Just wondering about penetration and too far a throw not having enough velocity to puncture the animal hide?

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      I’m going to do a penetration test coming soon. Distance, depth, range, open terrain, wooded, etc. 🤙

  • @obiwanjacobi
    @obiwanjacobi Месяц назад +1

    Nice demo, thanks. But that point doesn't look like it will penetrate hide. How sharp a point can you make 'hardened wood' before it becomes too fragile?

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      It will. It’s going to be reshaped and after 30 some throws it dulled out

  • @Reginaldesq
    @Reginaldesq Месяц назад +1

    Excellent work. Looks like its not your first time throwing a javelin :) Did you end up weighing it? I just read up that 2 replicas were made, one weighed 760g and the other 800g. I find that amazing because 800g is the weight men use at the Olympics.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +2

      I did throw javelin in HS so I thought I have a better chance of replicating the throws trajectory accurately. Weight will change. I cut the wood fresh and after time it started to dry out. During my throws it had some mass, now I would say it’s fully dried out and its mass would be appropriate to weigh.

    • @Reginaldesq
      @Reginaldesq Месяц назад +1

      @@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks that makes sense.

  • @5bigjeff
    @5bigjeff Месяц назад +1

    I really appreciate your videos i always learn something new thank you. What is the penatration like with this spear i know lots of factors would go into it this would be fun to do some testing with carcass or ballistic gel i dont know but would be cool to find out thank you again

  • @BoarhideGaming
    @BoarhideGaming Месяц назад

    Donny, have you ever heard of the antler-point spears from the early european Aurignacium? It seems that for a very short timeframe (I think only around 5000 years), straight, long trees for spear shafts were so scarce, that people did not notch the front of the shaft to insert a stone point and risk the rare shaft splitting open the entire way. Usually, as you well know, it's the spearhead that takes great effort and is most at risk of breaking. Well, since the wood was so rare, they used reindeer antlers as spear heads that were notched, accepting a spearshaft that looked much like your example here. An engineer would call this a "female" shaft adapter, rather than a "male" adapter. The point might split on impact, but reindeer was abundand, wood was not, so you could always replace the basically sacrificial spearpoint. I was wondering if you've heard of this and have any plans of demonstrating this fascinating and shortlived spear type to a more general audience

  • @Jarnsmidr
    @Jarnsmidr Месяц назад +1

    Neanderthals were a lot smarter than people tend to give them credit for, huh?

  • @bryanengland2466
    @bryanengland2466 Месяц назад +1

    Found you with shorts but im so glad i got to catch one of your long form videos 😊
    Ps watching you throw do you think there was much difference between throwing exactly at the balance point or thightly fore or aft of it "inch or less"?

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      Thanks for following along. In all honesty…now that my spear has had about a week to dry, my balance point has slightly shifted forward. My spear has dropped mass from dry time and thus changed my throwing point.

    • @bryanengland2466
      @bryanengland2466 Месяц назад

      @@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks very interesting 🤔 hope to see more 👍 thanks for the update after the drying time too. My main curiosity was because I've never tried throwing anything that wasn't a ball so I didn't really know how to grasp it. Obviously close to the balance point but the point at the pinky finger the index finger or the middle finger kind of thought. No need to reply I'm definitely going to keep watching as long as youtube let's me know you posted.

  • @dlighted8861
    @dlighted8861 Месяц назад

    Great throws you made there.😮 I had heard the tip could be hardened by thrusting it into the coals/dirt below the fire where there was less oxygen. Then again it is just something I heard. 🤗🙄🤗

  • @williammccaslin8527
    @williammccaslin8527 Месяц назад +1

    Me an my younger brother made these when we were 8 or 10 yrs old, now mid 60's, never knew they had a name. But we grew up in the swamps of Fla an used local hardwoods, an they were effective. Fire hardened the tips also, but what do kids know, we were copying zulu spears as thats all we knew about then. Now I would flint spearheads out of something if I had to. Thx for the vid tho.

  • @kieranworland8662
    @kieranworland8662 Месяц назад +1

    I'm going to have a go at this in the near future. Although being from Australia I might have to try a different type of timber. Maybe a sheoak. The indigenous Aussies used that for other weapons and I've made boomerangs out of it before that performed pretty well. Love your videos

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      Thanks so much. Appreciate it. I’m sure there are woods available in Australia that would make an exceptional Schoningen spear. Love to hear what you would come up with. 🤙

    • @Reginaldesq
      @Reginaldesq Месяц назад

      Blackwood wattle also known as Tasmanian blackwood is one of the best Australian timbers for wood working. I have made guitars from it. Its slightly lighter weight than Black or drooping sheoak. Its extremely strong along the grain.

  • @salimufari
    @salimufari Месяц назад +1

    I would think a coarse flat or slightly rounded boulder with a notch could be a faster & easier way to rough in the shape of the shaft. This would let you grind the shaft like low grit sand paper to knock down the stubs & bark using minimal energy vs the flake sawing.
    Love the tree vice & shaping for sure. Super clean.
    The fire hardening does introduce some carbon as well as a small portion of that becoming graphite which will genuinely harden it slightly beyond that of dried wood.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      I’m sure different tools were used, however I went with the minimal approach to show that it could be done. Wood hardening…not so much. Wood drying and reducing the moisture, crystallizing the sap…absolutely. Its hard to burn something to create a hardness that is going to be harder the. Wood itself. Dry wood, forced dried by fire…cut when wet. Absolutely!

  • @izzyc.6559
    @izzyc.6559 Месяц назад

    I think sometime in winter I requested this video. Thank you! I had a hard time finding exact specifications for Schöningen spears so this video helps a lot. Although the spears are great, in your honest opinion does spruce suck as a spear wood?

    • @izzyc.6559
      @izzyc.6559 26 дней назад

      @@Toxicpoolofreekingmascul-lj4yd oh ok👍yeah, i was just wondering because i made one of pine and it was just too soft and overall just wasn't great. I mean it definetly worked, but wasn't great. I will definetly try spruce👍

  • @patrickday4206
    @patrickday4206 Месяц назад +1

    I can't believe you didn't do this using safety gloves and eye protection. hahahahahhahahhaha Nice throwing weapon

  • @tosgem
    @tosgem Месяц назад

    Fascinating video. How sure are we that these were Neanderthal spears? I thought their shoulder anatomy was not so suitable for throwing. If archeologists say "modern humans weren't around then", I must counter that there are plenty of surprise discoveries that change timelines a little.
    Seeing you throw this thing really makes me realise the benefit of a bow and arrow is not just whatever tactical advantage it has, but that old men can shoot a bow. To get the most out of a javelin is a young mans game. That could have huge implications for the wider social pecking order in a tribe, how much wisdom gets to incubate for longer, how many capable hunters they can have in their ranks vs how many mouths to feed.
    The Australian Aboriginals had much thinner, lighter, wood-pointed spears, and used woomera spear thrower - I wonder how this technology fits in with the heavier javelin, what different animals they might be good for. The light spear and woomera combination seems to sit inbetween the javelin and the bow and arrow.
    Looking at you use the stone tools to make that spear, I can't help but think there must be/have been easier ways. You grind the spear on a larger rock, but I wonder if particular large rocks could be found that have wedges in them, V shaped or whatever, that you can drag the spear through to deburr all those branches off quicker. I also wonder if you could use fire a bit more, put the whole spear in a fire with the bark still on, control how much the fire takes hold. It might be able to burn away the twigs, parts of the bark.

  • @jakesmerth1919
    @jakesmerth1919 Месяц назад +1

    Shaped like a javelin but that flexible bouncy shaft is gonna fly and act more like an arrow.

  • @fantasyflare
    @fantasyflare 9 дней назад

    Large spears for short range large animals, also stabbing, power in numbers like he mentions, and then thinner lighter ones for distance or small animals. But generally I think lighter shafts would do the trick for throwing. Probably every possible variation and different wood types were used maybe making specialized artilleries

  • @Hermotimos
    @Hermotimos Месяц назад +1

    They might have employed an ankyle, a throwing strap to it to increase the power of the throw. And the back end could have been used for thrusting making it a spear-javelin hybrid.

  • @malacarabushcraft1451
    @malacarabushcraft1451 Месяц назад +1

    Muy bien realizada 👍

  • @przemysawmitura3273
    @przemysawmitura3273 Месяц назад

    Pozdrowionka z Polski 👍🔥

  • @CoffeeFiend1
    @CoffeeFiend1 Месяц назад +1

    I've always imagined homo X, Y, Z whichever group it is we're talking about at the time to kinda production lining a lot of this stuff. If you've got 10 prospective shafts that need debarking have the kids do that, save the adult labour resources for more precision based stuff like hardening, straightening, pointing etc. I reckon a lot of tools and weapons were worked intermittently in bulk on and off especially if you routinely have certain members of a group that separate to go off and hunt, fish, gather, patrol or whatever else. A lot of spears were probably worked on by different people, including women and kids.

  • @Ikisunoo
    @Ikisunoo Месяц назад +1

    Hey Donny, I've been following you for a while and love the videos. This might be asked before, but I'd like to know, what kind of shoes do you wear or what do you recommend to wear when you hike a lot?

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      I’m a pretty simple guy. Sandals most the time when it’s warm, my old military boots when cold, moccasins when it cool/warm…but a tennis/hiking shoe with a big toe box if I am hiking. Brands…nothing particular.

  • @ethomson0
    @ethomson0 Месяц назад +1

    10:53 I had this same thought when you were throwing the spear. These had to be thrown in a group volley at an intended target(s). Definitely effective, also highlighting how hunting would be a group effort. I think that they probably also used used some runners to guide a herd of ungulates into a box canyon where a group of spear hurlers could maximize their harvest by casting volleys of spears into a traffic jam of meat. No reason why a hunting party couldn't carry two or three per person.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      This was absolutely a hunting party type weapon. I would assess most groups employed weapons together targeting specific animals of the heard.

  • @briantaulbee6452
    @briantaulbee6452 Месяц назад +1

    Gotta remember too, Neanderthals were more robust physically than us, they would've had more strength to throw a spear like that a lot farther and with more force.

    • @Reginaldesq
      @Reginaldesq Месяц назад

      Maybe, longer arms = higher speed. Maybe Neanderthal were short but had long arms? I dont know. I assume a javelin might have been used at close range in an ambush type situation with beaters/drivers causing the animals to run towards the ambush. Javelins travel pretty slowly so hitting an animal at long range would require the animal to be totally unaware until impact.

  • @morrigancollins2092
    @morrigancollins2092 Месяц назад +1

    How well would a schoningen spear work with an atlatl? The neanderthals were extremely skilled craftsmen and were known to use geometry in their tools, and the point on the trailing end of the spear looks like it'd be perfect for slotting into an atlatl.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад +1

      Valid question and point. Since the Schoningen was double pointed and based on the original 10 spears recovered…nothing indicates an Atlatl. It dosent meat maybe this gave rise to an aspect of Atlatl, but these are crafted almost exactly like a javelin that is thrown. 🤙

  • @Jackielong-sighted7890
    @Jackielong-sighted7890 Месяц назад +1

    My thoughts are they likely used this for short ranges and slow moving things and reserved stones for long distance. If a stone thrown hard can get a gorilla. 🤔

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      Herds increase target size and I would assess thrown from cover, but likely close up. Slower moving game I have no doubt.

  • @AFSKID
    @AFSKID Месяц назад

    When the neolithic farmer says something so grain fed you have to hit them with the hunter gatherer stare

  • @captainflint89
    @captainflint89 Месяц назад +2

    these were most likely game carrying sticks and not spears . we see the exact same being used today by modern hunter gatherers . wood just does not work for a penetrating weapon at these ranges and thicknesses . go test its penetrating power on a real carcass with hide at the kind of ranges you are throwing and the theory that these are spears crumbles fast . yours is far more aerodynamic than the finds and a totally different design and much more like an olympic javelin . these things would just annoy a deer size animal at any range without a bone or stone point .. test it on a carcass

  • @CH4OffsetsLLC
    @CH4OffsetsLLC Месяц назад

    Very nice

  • @theeddorian
    @theeddorian Месяц назад

    The Schönigen spears cover a considerable span of time. The earlier examples were likely employed by Heidelberg rather Neanderthal. The lesson they offer is that the technology is conservative and quite slow in changing. Neanderthals are generally more clicky, but there were others before, around, and after. The Denisovans would have used identical javelins, and similar weapons were made into the 19th century. In fact, smaller examples, with feathers were used as arrows.

  • @uncletiggermclaren7592
    @uncletiggermclaren7592 Месяц назад +1

    These are almost the same as the light throwing spear that Maori boys made to practice with, a hundred years ago, I don't think they hardened the tip of the practice spears, but other wise, the same.
    Little boys started spear practice with the stalks of the native grass Toetoe and then made themselves wooden ones.

  • @christophersnedeker
    @christophersnedeker Месяц назад +1

    You could probably remove those branches a lot more easily with a hand axe.

    • @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks
      @DonnyDustsPaleoTracks  Месяц назад

      No doubt, I’m sure all sorts of tools were used. However it can be done with simple flakes!!